The History of The Pie

[DukeBlue666s]

We have an accord... the winner gets his choice from this page: https://shop.gtpie.com/category/fruit_pies

Ya know, I rarely comment up here, but read everything multiple times a day and this is the top thing I love the most about this forum. Can I get a brief (I’d enjoy the long version also) history lesson on this? For some reason, I feel like Wheat is involved in this somehow.

The pies are rather expensive, but I’m sure they are worth the price!

Thank you in advance if someone could explain how all this started. Mods, feel free to move this to another thread, if need be. I just wanted to start a page and maybe keep track of Pie Bets.

[BD80]

Ya know, I rarely comment up here, but read everything multiple times a day and this is the top thing I love the most about this forum. Can I get a brief (I’d enjoy the long version also) history lesson on this? For some reason, I feel like Wheat is involved in this somehow.

The pies are rather expensive, but I’m sure they are worth the price!

Thank you in advance if someone could explain how all this started. Mods, feel free to move this to another thread, if need be. I just wanted to start a page and maybe keep track of Pie Bets.

I believe the first pie bet was won by Ramesses II ...

[JasonEvans]

It started back in in the 2001-02 season. That was UNC PF Brian Bersticker's senior season and, in the preseason, Wheat was crowing about how Bersticker was going to be a major stud for the Heels. I thought Wheat had lost his mind so we agreed to make a wager on whether Bersticker would be all-ACC. I am famously from Georgia while Wheat is a Florida Keys native so our wager was a Georgia Peach pie versus a Florida Key Lime pie. It just made sense at the time.

I won the bet, but Wheat won the war as he sent me a Key Lime Pie that had been dyed with Carolina Blue food coloring. Though it tasted fine, the look was truly awful. A brilliant ploy on his part. I posted a photo of the sky blue monstrosity at the time, but that image has been lost to history. I wish I had saved it...

I don't think another pie bet was made for many years after that, but it has come back into vogue lately, probably because I LIKE PIE! I have made 4 pie bets in the past few years and won them all, including a bet about whether the film Hitman's Bodyguard would make $100 mil at the domestic boxoffice that netted me a delicious Michigan 4-Berry Pie that my family just adored!

https://pantograph0.goldbely.com/s410/uploads/product_image/image/2028/crumb-topped-michigan-4-berry-pie.f211a16cc35a3ea4188ba1452016e069.jpg

Another betting standard we sometimes use, which does not require any dollar cost to the loser, is a wager where the loser has to sing the praises of the winner in every post they make for a week (or some other time period). I won a bet involving Harry Giles being one of the top 20 picks in the NBA draft with that payment last summer.

-Jason "it is fun and feed my sweet tooth! Plus, it feels really unique to this community" Evans

[CDu]

Excellent summary, Jason. Worth noting that the outcome of two pie bets could move towards a resolution tonight, right? You have a bet with Wheat on the Duke/UNC season series, and Troublemaker(?) has a bet on whether UNC finishes top 3.

A Duke win tonight would position you nicely for your bet, while a loss might decide it(?). On the other side, a Duke win would all but seal UNC’s non-top-3 finish, while a win would very much pry the door open.

Bettors, please feel free to correct me if my memory as an innocent bystander/lurker is off. :)

[JasonEvans]

Excellent summary, Jason. Worth noting that the outcome of two pie bets could move towards a resolution tonight, right? You have a bet with Wheat on the Duke/UNC season series, and Troublemaker(?) has a bet on whether UNC finishes top 3.

A Duke win tonight would position you nicely for your bet, while a loss might decide it(?). On the other side, a Duke win would all but seal UNC’s non-top-3 finish, while a win would very much pry the door open.

Bettors, please feel free to correct me if my memory as an innocent bystander/lurker is off. :)

Yup, my bet with Wheat is that if they play twice, whoever sweeps gets the win. If it is a split, then no one wins. If they play 3 times, the team that wins 2 out of 3 wins the bet... at least that is my memory.

[devildeac]

There have been a few basketball-related beer bets, too, with the notorious loser (;)), richardjackson199, making several visits to his favorite craft beer store in his town to fulfill his obligations.

Beer pies anyone?

:o;)

[JasonEvans]

There have been a few basketball-related beer bets, too, with the notorious loser (;)), richardjackson199, making several visits to his favorite craft beer store in his town to fulfill his obligations.

Beer pies anyone?

http://drinkingmadeeasy.com/media/k2/items/cache/a42a2aa6c7440291c38ba9adc5892a56_XL.jpg

[devildeac]

http://drinkingmadeeasy.com/media/k2/items/cache/a42a2aa6c7440291c38ba9adc5892a56_XL.jpg

Wait, what happened to your prior post with dinosaurs, pie and beer? That was pretty cool, too.

This one is even better. Nice find. You should post it also in the Ymm, Beer thread (LOL) :o.

[JasonEvans]

Wait, what happened to your prior post with dinosaurs, pie and beer? That was pretty cool, too.

I noticed the Happiness was a question mark... there is no question that Beer + Pie equals happiness!

https://img00.deviantart.net/f07e/i/2015/114/f/6/pie_beer_happiness_by_zandragon-d5jr4my.jpg

[DukeBlue666s]

It started back in in the 2001-02 season. That was UNC PF Brian Bersticker's senior season and, in the preseason, Wheat was crowing about how Bersticker was going to be a major stud for the Heels. I thought Wheat had lost his mind so we agreed to make a wager on whether Bersticker would be all-ACC. I am famously from Georgia while Wheat is a Florida Keys native so our wager was a Georgia Peach pie versus a Florida Key Lime pie. It just made sense at the time.

I won the bet, but Wheat won the war as he sent me a Key Lime Pie that had been dyed with Carolina Blue food coloring. Though it tasted fine, the look was truly awful. A brilliant ploy on his part. I posted a photo of the sky blue monstrosity at the time, but that image has been lost to history. I wish I had saved it...

I don't think another pie bet was made for many years after that, but it has come back into vogue lately, probably because I LIKE PIE! I have made 4 pie bets in the past few years and won them all, including a bet about whether the film Hitman's Bodyguard would make $100 mil at the domestic boxoffice that netted me a delicious Michigan 4-Berry Pie that my family just adored!

https://pantograph0.goldbely.com/s410/uploads/product_image/image/2028/crumb-topped-michigan-4-berry-pie.f211a16cc35a3ea4188ba1452016e069.jpg

Another betting standard we sometimes use, which does not require any dollar cost to the loser, is a wager where the loser has to sing the praises of the winner in every post they make for a week (or some other time period). I won a bet involving Harry Giles being one of the top 20 picks in the NBA draft with that payment last summer.

-Jason "it is fun and feed my sweet tooth! Plus, it feels really unique to this community" Evans

Thank you for that story, Jason! I figured Wheat was involved somehow.

I have great respect for Wheat! The most reasonable Carolina fan I’ve ever heard from and the fact that he still sticks around the forum is awesome. Wheat, you’re awesome!

I’d like to make a pie wager at some point, regardless the topic. I live 10 minutes above Boston and nobody cares about College sports up here. This forum is my escape from the love fest of professional (and Brady lovers) sports up here.

[bedeviled]

There was also kAzE's Jefferson vs Sulaimon All-ACC bet that punished us all when flyingdutchdevil was forced to change his avatar pic to Justin Bieber (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?35518-ACC-Awards-Okafor-POY-Cook-2d-Team-Tyus-3d-Team&p=788564#post788564)

[BD80]

There was also kAzE's Jefferson vs Sulaimon All-ACC bet that punished us all when flyingdutchdevil was forced to change his avatar pic to Justin Bieber (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?35518-ACC-Awards-Okafor-POY-Cook-2d-Team-Tyus-3d-Team&p=788564#post788564)

A punishment not sanctioned under the Geneva Convention ...

[CDu]

Not a good night for the pie bets. Gonna need to step up next time around.

[BigWayne]

I noticed the Happiness was a question mark... there is no question that Beer + Pie equals happiness!

https://img00.deviantart.net/f07e/i/2015/114/f/6/pie_beer_happiness_by_zandragon-d5jr4my.jpg

The question mark is likely referring to how long happiness lasts after the pie and beer are consumed.

[DukeBlue666s]

I made this thread and now I can’t stop thinking about these pies! SMDH

[Wheat/"/"/"]

It started back in in the 2001-02 season. That was UNC PF Brian Bersticker's senior season and, in the preseason, Wheat was crowing about how Bersticker was going to be a major stud for the Heels. I thought Wheat had lost his mind so we agreed to make a wager on whether Bersticker would be all-ACC. I am famously from Georgia while Wheat is a Florida Keys native so our wager was a Georgia Peach pie versus a Florida Key Lime pie. It just made sense at the time.

I won the bet, but Wheat won the war as he sent me a Key Lime Pie that had been dyed with Carolina Blue food coloring. Though it tasted fine, the look was truly awful. A brilliant ploy on his part. I posted a photo of the sky blue monstrosity at the time, but that image has been lost to history. I wish I had saved it...

I don't think another pie bet was made for many years after that, but it has come back into vogue lately, probably because I LIKE PIE! I have made 4 pie bets in the past few years and won them all, including a bet about whether the film Hitman's Bodyguard would make $100 mil at the domestic boxoffice that netted me a delicious Michigan 4-Berry Pie that my family just adored!

https://pantograph0.goldbely.com/s410/uploads/product_image/image/2028/crumb-topped-michigan-4-berry-pie.f211a16cc35a3ea4188ba1452016e069.jpg

Another betting standard we sometimes use, which does not require any dollar cost to the loser, is a wager where the loser has to sing the praises of the winner in every post they make for a week (or some other time period). I won a bet involving Harry Giles being one of the top 20 picks in the NBA draft with that payment last summer.

-Jason "it is fun and feed my sweet tooth! Plus, it feels really unique to this community" Evans

Jason, I know you at least used to work for CNN, so I and understand some of your facts are, umm...suspect. :)

I'm pretty sure the first pie bet was made pre-2001-02 season. I'm thinking it was the 98-99 season. I'm also pretty sure Bersticker was not part of the pie bet, although you are correct I was intrigued by him as a freshman at 6'11 and so athletic. There was a lot of trash talk around him early in his career. I was much more silent on him after his So. Year.

I think the bet was something to do with who would sweep the season series...and Duke swept UNC that year. I lost and paid up.

If you guys think pies are expensive now, you should have paid to have someone make it for you with a specialty dye, then have it packed in dry ice to be shipped next day UPS...there was no internet pie company online back then

Oh, I do live on a little island in Florida, but not the Keys...I'm in southwest Florida.

This season I have two pie bets, UNC has to be a top three seed or better in the ACC tourney to win a pie from Troublemaker. I'm pretty sure about that one.

With you, I'm not so sure, I thought you bet Duke would sweep UNC...but someone needs to go back and find that thread, I can't seem to find it.

[jv001]

Jason, I know you at least used to work for CNN, so I and understand some of your facts are, umm...suspect. :)

I'm pretty sure the first pie bet was made pre-2001-02 season. I'm thinking it was the 98-99 season. I'm also pretty sure Bersticker was not part of the pie bet, although you are correct I was intrigued by him as a freshman at 6'11 and so athletic. There was a lot of trash talk around him early in his career. I was much more silent on him after his So. Year.

I think the bet was something to do with who would sweep the season series...and Duke swept UNC that year. I lost and paid up.

If you guys think pies are expensive now, you should have paid to have someone make it for you with a specialty dye, then have it packed in dry ice to be shipped next day UPS...there was no internet pie company online back then

Oh, I do live on a little island in Florida, but not the Keys...I'm in southwest Florida.

This season I have two pie bets, UNC has to be a top three seed or better in the ACC tourney to win a pie from Troublemaker. I'm pretty sure about that one.

With you, I'm not so sure, I thought you bet Duke would sweep UNC...but someone needs to go back and find that thread, I can't seem to find it.

How about another pie bet on who is right? :cool: GoDuke!

[JasonEvans]

With you, I'm not so sure, I thought you bet Duke would sweep UNC...but someone needs to go back and find that thread, I can't seem to find it.

I think I won with a sweep and you won if Carolina took the series 2-1*, but if it split 1-1 or Duke won 2-1*, then it was a push. I cannot recall what thread it was in to look for it. Sorry.

--Jason "*-assuming they meet again in the ACC tourney" Evans

[Wheat/"/"/"]

I think I won with a sweep and you won if Carolina took the series 2-1*, but if it split 1-1 or Duke won 2-1*, then it was a push. I cannot recall what thread it was in to look for it. Sorry.

--Jason "*-assuming they meet again in the ACC tourney" Evans

No worries, we'll figure it out. When I have time I'll search some more,

[bedeviled]

No worries, we'll figure it out. When I have time I'll search some moreA little help to keep your eyes on the pies:
Troublemaker vs Wheat/"/"/" - Pie proposition link (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1009022#post1009022). Negotiations link, (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1009142#post1009142)link, (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1009219#post1009219)link (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1009241#post1009241). Acceptance link (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1009244#post1009244).
JasonEvans vs Wheat/"/"/" - Pie propositionlink (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1012058#post1012058). Negotiations link, (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1012156#post1012156)link (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1012251#post1012251). Acceptance link (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions&p=1012262#post1012262).

[richardjackson199]

No worries, we'll figure it out. When I have time I'll search some more,

Post #244 in this thread:
http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions/page13

Wheat/"/"/"

Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans:
The first pie bet was a push without a sweep. You are asking for more from me.

How about this... Duke sweeps, I win a pie. Carolina gets a split or better, you win the pie. But, if they face each other a third time (in the ACC tourney) and Duke takes the series 2-1, it is a push and no one eats delicious pie.

-Jason "I have never, ever lost a pie bet on the DBR" Evans"
Wheat:
I'm good with that...you know I'm a gambler.

Yes, you're 2-0 on pie bets...I credit that to variance ��

So unless Duke beats Cheats twice more including the ACC Tourney, Jason owes Wheat a pie. Not looking good Jason - I'm sorry.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Post #244 in this thread:
http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?40609-Heels-hoops-discussion-17-18-no-unc-athletics-scandal-discussions/page13

Wheat/"/"/"

Quote Originally Posted by JasonEvans:
The first pie bet was a push without a sweep. You are asking for more from me.

How about this... Duke sweeps, I win a pie. Carolina gets a split or better, you win the pie. But, if they face each other a third time (in the ACC tourney) and Duke takes the series 2-1, it is a push and no one eats delicious pie.

-Jason "I have never, ever lost a pie bet on the DBR" Evans"
Wheat:
I'm good with that...you know I'm a gambler.

Yes, you're 2-0 on pie bets...I credit that to variance ��

So unless Duke beats Cheats twice more including the ACC Tourney, Jason owes Wheat a pie. Not looking good Jason - I'm sorry.

Thanks. Now we're on the same page Jason....

[UrinalCake]

This thread should be renamed to “Life of Pie”

[JasonEvans]

Thanks. Now we're on the same page Jason...

It is ok. I'm gonna get Trevon Duval to pay for it ;)

[subzero02]

Brian Bersticker... I saw him outside of outback on 15-501 during one of several 75 minute waits for a table. He was never good enough to actually hate, but my dislike for him went up a notch because I knew he'd be seated before me. Didn't he grab his crotch while hanging on the rim once? I'm glad wheat lost that bet... any player that annoying in mediocrity would be insufferable as a star.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

It is ok. I'm gonna get Trevon Duval to pay for it ;)

I shake my head at how hard you guys are on a freshman point guard...maybe you might want to consider he was matched up with Berry, a senior final four MVP, and a very talented defender and shooter in Jr. Kenny Williams...and it was his first big rivalry game.
I didn't think he played that bad, I think his opponents played better.

You should make Grayson pay for it. He has no excuse :)

[Troublemaker]

UNC is the 6 seed, Wheat, so I have some pie coming to me.

I do wish Clemson had snuck out a win at Syracuse so it didn't come down to a tiebreaker. But I am comforted by a few things:

(1) I think I probably win more easily if not for the devastating injuries suffered by Notre Dame (Colson, some Farrell), Clemson (Grantham), and Miami (Brown).
(2) When you bet that UNC would finish as a top-3 seed, I'm sure the record you had in mind wasn't 11-7.
(3) Since Miami, Clemson, NCSU, and UNC all simultaneously occupy 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th place, mathematically it's not sound to say that all these teams are "tied for third", imo (and UNC lost the tiebreakers to be seeded 6th). UNC is a 4.5th-place team (as are Miami, Clemson, NCSU, and UNC).

Can't wait to pick out my pie.



https://image.ibb.co/k2XZnn/Capture.png

[JasonEvans]

UNC is the 6 seed, Wheat, so I have some pie coming to me.

It may make sense to wait a few days. Unless Duke and UNC play again in the ACC tourney and Duke wins, I will owe Wheat a pie and the most efficient thing would probably be for me to send one to you.

-Jason "so, I'm kinda rooting for the Heels to make the ACC semis... ugh" Evans

[Troublemaker]

It may make sense to wait a few days. Unless Duke and UNC play again in the ACC tourney and Duke wins, I will owe Wheat a pie and the most efficient thing would probably be for me to send one to you.

-Jason "so, I'm kinda rooting for the Heels to make the ACC semis... ugh" Evans

No offense, Jason, but a pie bought by you won't taste as good.

Wheat is buying me a pie.

Also, we're not simplifying algebraic equations here :-). We're settling bets, of which two were made.

[El_Diablo]

It may make sense to wait a few days. Unless Duke and UNC play again in the ACC tourney and Duke wins, I will owe Wheat a pie and the most efficient thing would probably be for me to send one to you.

-Jason "so, I'm kinda rooting for the Heels to make the ACC semis... ugh" Evans

Screw efficiency. Don’t agree to this, Troublemaker! Wheat owes you a pie, not Jason. You deserve to savor your personal victory, and I am confident that the taste of Jason’s pie would significantly pale in comparison to Wheat’s.

Same goes for Wheat. You can make good with Troublemaker while still fully enjoying the spoils of whatever bet you made with Jason. You would have earned it, and you should definitely enjoy it!

[brevity]

It may make sense to wait a few days. Unless Duke and UNC play again in the ACC tourney and Duke wins, I will owe Wheat a pie and the most efficient thing would probably be for me to send one to you.

-Jason "so, I'm kinda rooting for the Heels to make the ACC semis... ugh" Evans

Why are you trying to bail out Wheat/“/“/“? Who do you think you are, the NCAA?

[richardjackson199]

No offense, Jason, but a pie bought by you won't taste as good.

Wheat is buying me a pie.

Also, we're not simplifying algebraic equations here :-). We're settling bets, of which two were made.

Congrats Trouble!

You are a hell of a good gambler. I'm impressed by your negotiation of this bet. Just shortly upthread bedeviled links the negotiations of this bet. Note that if Trouble had originally agreed to Wheat's proposition (that UNCheat finishes at least tied for top 3 in ACC) that Trouble would have technically lost this bet, or possibly a push due to lack of clarity. But Trouble carefully clarified this scenario, even using UNCheat's final record if they tied for 3rd with multiple other teams. So they agreed on ACC Tourney seeding for simplicity. This exact scenario occurred.

So Trouble won the pie fair and square. And he won it in the sweetest possible way, Duke beats the cheats in Cameron in a game with all the stakes (he loses if we lose).

Enjoy! Agreed, Wheat should purchase the pie and ship it, regardless of other bets.

Congrats!! :D

[hudlow]

I'd go for double or nothing...

Just sayin'...

[richardjackson199]

JasonEvans, who are you rooting for Wed night when Syracuse plays the Cheats?

(There is only one right answer, even though that outcome would cost you a pie). :cool:

[JasonEvans]

JasonEvans, who are you rooting for Wed night when Syracuse plays the Cheats?

(There is only one right answer, even though that outcome would cost you a pie). :cool:

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/81451538/a-pie-can-be-eaten-in-minutes-but-a-carolina-loss-can-be-enjoyed-for-a-lifetime.jpg

[OldPhiKap]

I hope it’s humble pie.

[House G]

I hope it’s humble pie.

If I eat humble pie, I don’t need no doctor. :cool:

[OldPhiKap]

If I eat humble pie, I don’t need no doctor. :cool:

Is that ‘cause you know what’s ailing you?

We’re it me, I would spend thirty days in the hole.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

No offense, Jason, but a pie bought by you won't taste as good.

Wheat is buying me a pie.

Also, we're not simplifying algebraic equations here :-). We're settling bets, of which two were made.

Your pie is on the way, they said it should arrive Friday.

It came down to the last game and I had u puckered up that last 7 minutes I know at Cameron, so I take some satisfaction in that :)

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Screw efficiency. Don’t agree to this, Troublemaker! Wheat owes you a pie, not Jason. You deserve to savor your personal victory, and I am confident that the taste of Jason’s pie would significantly pale in comparison to Wheat’s.

Same goes for Wheat. You can make good with Troublemaker while still fully enjoying the spoils of whatever bet you made with Jason. You would have earned it, and you should definitely enjoy it!

Absolutely...I never considered anything else.

[Troublemaker]

Your pie is on the way, they said it should arrive Friday.

It did arrive and the pie is very good. Thanks, Wheat.

For those who care, I went away from the fruit pie tradition and went with a "Bourbon Chocolate Pecan Pie" from the site Jason linked (https://shop.gtpie.com/category/pumpkin_and_pecan).

Wheat merely ordered it online and thus didn't have a chance to add some yucky blue to it.

[devildeac]

It did arrive and the pie is very good. Thanks, Wheat.

For those who care, I went away from the fruit pie tradition and went with a "Bourbon Chocolate Pecan Pie" from the site Jason linked (https://shop.gtpie.com/category/pumpkin_and_pecan).

Wheat merely ordered it online and thus didn't have a chance to add some yucky blue to it.

Congrats. Hope you had an imperial stout or porter to accompany it. :o

[richardjackson199]

You couldn't have won this pie in more convincing fashion. Look at the link in this thread for the pie website and just send me a PM with which pie you want and address to ship to.

Congrats! Well deserved.

:p

[Troublemaker]

Likely, as in >50% chance? Sounds like we have the makings of a bet, dukelifer.

You win if UNC makes the Final Four, since they are likely to do so.

I win if they don't make the Final Four.

Name your stakes. Do you like beer or pie?


I will bet a pie- only because you usually win your pie bets and nothing makes me happier not to see them in the FF. If I am correct about their route and mistaken about your pie dominance- at least I will have a pie to eat. We cannot forget that among active coaches, Roy is right behind K in NCAA FF appearances.


I bet a pie that they will get there and I would be very happy to pay off- but I also don't see them losing unless Berry gets in to foul trouble, turns an ankle- or loses another video game.

dukelifer - I win. Get ready to pay, my friend. I'm going to choose a pie off the site Jason linked, per standard operating procedure.

Last time I went with pecan pie, but now I'm craving a fruit pie. I'll PM you with the details.

Nice, I ended up netting two pies this season by gambling on UNC to fail. That's how you do it, folks!

[DukeBlue666s]

This is why I made this thread ... somewhere to keep track of the pies being thrown around.

Maybe this could entice more Pie Bets!

(There isn’t anywhere in the forum rules that state betting is frowned upon, is there?)

[thedukelamere]

dukelifer - I win. Get ready to pay, my friend. I'm going to choose a pie off the site Jason linked, per standard operating procedure.

Last time I went with pecan pie, but now I'm craving a fruit pie. I'll PM you with the details.

Nice, I ended up netting two pies this season by gambling on UNC to fail. That's how you do it, folks!

#winning

Charlie Sheen has nothing on Troublemaker.

[Troublemaker]

You all can thank me. I made a pie bet with Troublemaker to produce this loss. His pie prowess is remarkable. I never thought my loss would taste this good though. I thought maybe a buzzer beater in the final eight. A beat down in the round of 32 is very satisfying- maybe better than pie. Place your order Troublemaker!

Thank you dukelifer!

This is awesome, and I'm very tempted to eat around the sentiment...


https://i.imgur.com/98YR7tQ.jpg

[richardjackson199]

There has been some talk of reverse jinx's in the pregame thread. I've never won a pie bet, beer bet, or been in the positive in a fake money contest on DBR. Troublemaker OTOH, is money.

I'm very worried about this Kansas game. Graham is a cold-blooded killer senior do-it-all leader guard playing at Wooden award levels. Hell none of Kansas's studs are OAD or freshmen. They're beasts, they're experienced, they won the best conference this year by 2 games, and they cruised winning Big 12 Tourney while resting Azubuike. And Duke youth didn't look ready for prime time vs Syracuse, a team who should have been in the NIT. And the game will be played in Omaha in front of a hostile Kansas fan crowd.

I'm surprised Duke is even a Vegas favorite at all in this game. Betting on Kansas and taking 3 points seems smart.

So I'm tempted to bet Troublemaker a pie. I take Kansas and the 3 points. For Trouble to win, Duke must cover.

There are many reasons I don't want to do this. I never bet against Duke. I'd be rooting 100% for myself to lose the bet. Hell even if I won, that pie would not taste good unless Duke wins the game by 1-2 points.

But it's tempting, if my cooler-ability of betting on Kansas gives Duke the reverse jinx advantage. No, I don't really think my bets can affect outcomes - that is magical thinking. But I did bet a pie on UVA to make Elite 8 and they lost to a 16 seed. So there are results, but still small sample size.

So I don't think I'm going to do it. But I could be convinced. I do think the smart money goes on Kansas with the 3 points - (and if I think that - it's great for Duke!). If any superstitious folks think it would work, I'd gladly ship a celebratory pie to Trouble if it really would help Duke get to San Antonio!

So what say you DBR? Could it help, or bad idea to try to influence events with pie bets?

[Troublemaker]

There has been some talk of reverse jinx's in the pregame thread. I've never won a pie bet, beer bet, or been in the positive in a fake money contest on DBR. Troublemaker OTOH, is money.

I'm very worried about this Kansas game. Graham is a cold-blooded killer senior do-it-all leader guard playing at Wooden award levels. Hell none of Kansas's studs are OAD or freshmen. They're beasts, they're experienced, they won the best conference this year by 2 games, and they cruised winning Big 12 Tourney while resting Azubuike. And Duke youth didn't look ready for prime time vs Syracuse, a team who should have been in the NIT. And the game will be played in Omaha in front of a hostile Kansas fan crowd.

I'm surprised Duke is even a Vegas favorite at all in this game. Betting on Kansas and taking 3 points seems smart.

So I'm tempted to bet Troublemaker a pie. I take Kansas and the 3 points. For Trouble to win, Duke must cover.

There are many reasons I don't want to do this. I never bet against Duke. I'd be rooting 100% for myself to lose the bet. Hell even if I won, that pie would not taste good unless Duke wins the game by 1-2 points.

But it's tempting, if my cooler-ability of betting on Kansas gives Duke the reverse jinx advantage. No, I don't really think my bets can affect outcomes - that is magical thinking. But I did bet a pie on UVA to make Elite 8 and they lost to a 16 seed. So there are results, but still small sample size.

So I don't think I'm going to do it. But I could be convinced. I do think the smart money goes on Kansas with the 3 points - (and if I think that - it's great for Duke!). If any superstitious folks think it would work, I'd gladly ship a celebratory pie to Trouble if it really would help Duke get to San Antonio!

So what say you DBR? Could it help, or bad idea to try to influence events with pie bets?

Haha, not a bad idea, Richard. But, if you check the the ongoing fake money contest for the NCAAT, you'll see that I took Kansas +3.5 (and it's now down to 3). I think Kansas is the better bet. I can't fake it because that would ruin the superstitious voodoo that you're trying to do; you need to find someone who truly believes Duke will cover the 3.

[dukelifer]

Thank you dukelifer!

This is awesome, and I'm very tempted to eat around the sentiment...


https://i.imgur.com/98YR7tQ.jpg
A fine looking pie.

[richardjackson199]

Haha, not a bad idea, Richard. But, if you check the the ongoing fake money contest for the NCAAT, you'll see that I took Kansas +3.5 (and it's now down to 3). I think Kansas is the better bet. I can't fake it because that would ruin the superstitious voodoo that you're trying to do; you need to find someone who truly believes Duke will cover the 3.

Yep - I think it would ruin the superstitious voodoo. I'd be trying to jinx Kansas, but could be a reverse jinx. By winning the bet, I'd really be losing the bet, and losing these bets is what I do best.

So no bet is best bet. Stick to my guns and never bet against Duke. Let's go Devils!

[richardjackson199]

I believe I have been the recipient of a six-pack from RJ from a wager. It came with no whipped cream. :cool:

Yep,
The exclusive club winning tasty DBR wagers from me includes NYBri, Troublemaker, and Left Hook Lacey. Left-Hook, your pie should be there by now, right?

Urinalcake has been counting his chickens, but careful, RJ's bakery doesn't ship pot pie. ;)

Who else has actually won pie/beer bets on DBR? Troublemaker has won several, and has never lost one of these bets, right? JasonEvans has won multiple, just not from me (usually Wheat). Wheat won a pie this year from Jason, sadly. Devildeac is in the club without ever making a wager just from accumulating enough beers from his consult fees. Anybody else in the club yet? I'm sure I'm missing a few.

[devildeac]

Yep,
The exclusive club winning tasty DBR wagers from me includes NYBri, Troublemaker, and Left Hook Lacey. Left-Hook, your pie should be there by now, right?

Urinalcake has been counting his chickens, but careful, RJ's bakery doesn't ship pot pie. ;)

Who else has actually won pie/beer bets on DBR? Troublemaker has won several, and has never lost one of these bets, right? JasonEvans has won multiple, just not from me (usually Wheat). Wheat won a pie this year from Jason, sadly. Devildeac is in the club without ever making a wager just from accumulating enough beers from his consult fees. Anybody else in the club yet? I'm sure I'm missing a few.


Harumph. This shows the number of consult fees that have actually made it to any of my beer glasses:

8267

:(

[richardjackson199]

Harumph. This shows the number of consult fees that have actually made it to any of my beer glasses:

8267

:(

Good beers come to those who wait. Jenn won't let me mail them due to silly beer-shipping laws. But you'll get your Stella Brew at a football tailgate this fall! :p

[devildeac]

Good beers come to those who wait. Jenn won't let me mail them due to silly beer-shipping laws. But you'll get your Stella Brew at a football tailgate this fall! :p

Absolutely no need to mail from 100 miles away. We'll have your places saved at out tasting table whenever you and Jenn decide to attend.

:)

[richardjackson199]

I'll respect JasonEvans request to move any discussion of UNCheat's team next year out of the NikeHoops Summit thread:

CDu wrote:
"I think they will be a bit worse than what they were last year, assuming Little isn’t deemed ineligible. They trade 5-star seniors for 5-star freshmen, and freshmen often struggle. Plus, they now have no PG (White is a scorer not a PG) whereas last year they had two (Berry and Pinson). They also lost their best, most versatile defender (Pinson) from a mediocre defensive team.

Their schedule should be easier, which will offset the loss of experience. But I thought this was a Sweet-16 type team, and I think next year’s team will be a round of 32 or Sweet 16 type of team."
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______________________________________

I'll propose the following pie bet to the first taker only of CDu, Troublemaker, or JasonEvans:

They get the option because they are very astute posters who are almost always right in any predictions or pie bets. I've never won one, which is exactly why I'm proposing this one. I really think I'm right on this.

Pie Bet Option 1 - Next season I say UNCheat earns a higher seed to start the ACC Tourney than Duke. If they do, I win. If Duke earns a higher starting ACC Tourney seed, you win.
Pie Bet Option 2 - Next season I say UNCheat advances further in NCAA Tourney than Duke. If they do, I win. If Duke advances further, you win the pie. If they both go out in the exact same round, it's a push.

Pick whichever bet you most prefer. I'm only betting one pie on this to one of the above posters. First come first serve.

Make no mistake, regardless of betting a pie I'll be rooting as hard as ever for the Cheats to lose absolutely every game they play. It's not even really much of a hedge, because I want those cheating pond-scum bastards to lose and lose some more, and they should still be on probation IMO. But this is just what I really expect to happen.

Those damn vampires just won't die, and I'm done making the mistake I've made the last couple years of assuming they lost "Fill in the blank" so they'll be worse. I really thought - ok, they lost Paige and Brice Johnson, now they're going to suck. They got zero punshiments and then won a Natty. Ok, they lost Meeks, Hicks, Jackson, AND Bradley. They're going to really suck. They beat us 2/3. Now they lost Pinson and Dingle-Berry. I'm not fooled.

I've never won a pie bet, and more than happy to put that jinx mojo on the Cheats. I agree with JasonEvans and CDu that the Cheats' fortunes will largely depend on the play of Coby White at PG and that Pinson was a beast. I can still hope that Roy will play Seventh Woods at PG for lots of minutes. But ol Roy aint that stupid. What I've seen from Coby White is that he can play PG much better than I was hoping. And Nas Little may be the best recruit in this class. Pinson was awesome. Little is on a whole nother level. I really hope I'm wrong about that, because I do believe he was offered $150K to play for Miami and the Cheats scooped him up right after that was uncovered.

So JasonEvans, Trouble, or CDu; Who wants to join the club of having won a pie from my bakery? (Trouble has thus far only won beer from me.) :D

[CDu]

A few points in response:
1. I have never made a DBR bet, pie or otherwise. Betting is not really my thing.
2. I didn’t say anything about whether or not Duke will be better than UNC next year. We were better than them this year, with a better statistical profile, better ACC seed, and better NCAA tourney run. They only won 2 of 3 this year because Duval got hurt in the ACCT (his 3-minute absence effectively decided the game). But I won’t say we are better with confidence until I see what our roster is. We basically know UNC’s team, barring any grad transfers. But our team still has a few potential moving parts. I will feel better about us once it is confirmed that at least two of our 3 remaining primary bigs are indeed on the team next year.

I do believe we will be better, and I think you are missing the key information related to UNC’s success: having multiple (2-4) 4/5-star upperclassmen. They won’t have that next year. This year, they had only 2, and they were notably worse than their Finalist/champ teams.

That said, despite my expectation that Duke will prove better again, I will wait to see what our team is before deciding whether to break my no-betting habits. If Jason and the Troublemaker (two self-proclaimed DBR degenerate gamblers) swoop in before me, so be it.

[richardjackson199]

A few points in response:
1. I have never made a DBR bet, pie or otherwise. Betting is not really my thing.
2. I didn’t say anything about whether or not Duke will be better than UNC next year. We were better than them this year, with a better statistical profile, better ACC seed, and better NCAA tourney run. They only won 2 of 3 this year because Duval got hurt in the ACCT (his 3-minute absence effectively decided the game). But I won’t say we are better with confidence until I see what our roster is. We basically know UNC’s team, barring any grad transfers. But our team still has a few potential moving parts. I will feel better about us once it is confirmed that at least two of our 3 remaining primary bigs are indeed on the team next year.

I do believe we will be better, and I think you are missing the key information related to UNC’s success: having multiple (2-4) 4/5-star upperclassmen. They won’t have that next year. This year, they had only 2, and they were notably worse than their Finalist/champ teams.

That said, despite my expectation that Duke will prove better again, I will wait to see what our team is before deciding whether to break my no-betting habits. If Jason and the Troublemaker (two self-proclaimed DBR degenerate gamblers) swoop in before me, so be it.

Thanks for the response CDu. I know you never bet, but you're almost always right, so I wanted to tempt you to join the ranks of the degenerates! I also realized we don't know the make-up of our team, which to me makes the bet more scrumptious. There is some non-zero probability that Carter joins Duke, and I'd love your chances to win the bet if that happens! But I think that probability is about as close to zero as it could be.

In terms of Bolden, I actually think the tea leaves strongly point to him returning to Duke and playing a much improved, huge role for our team next year. I'm excited to see what he can do. Nothing would make me happier than seeing him play his way into a first round pick. The reason I think Bolden will return, is I do believe Duke had EJ Montgomery in the bag. But Duke backed off. And as you rightly understand, Duke needs a quality big next year. K would not have backed off Montgomery unless he knows that he has Bolden or Carter in the bag. And I sure as hell don't think he thinks he has Carter in the bag. So I think Bolden is coming back for sure, and K knew that when he backed off Montgomery. There are other possibilities, but that is what I think.

This bet stands for the first taker of you 3. I, along with every poster on this board except for about 2 Gluten-filled guests will be rooting hard for me to lose. And I'm good at that, so I'm putting my pie streak on it.

There are no sure things, that's why they call it gambling! The rosters could change. One devastating injury could sadly determine the outcome, and I really hope that doesn't happen to either team. But it could.

But as it stands, I just could not be more impressed with how underrated and good Nas Little is. I think that plus our unprecedented youth will be the difference. The fact that nobody jumped on this bet worries me even more.

But the Vegas oddsmakers have Duke a much more likely candidate to cut down the nets than the Cheats. I don't understand that, just like I didn't understand their 6.5 point spread for Villanova vs. Michigan. I thought 13 points would have been better, and Nova still would have covered. But the oddsmakers usually predict better than me as my Covers.com DBR contest results will attest.

As Trouble has said, winning a tasty pie while watching Duke win and the Cheats lose is how you do it folks. The bet offer stands. :eek:

[richardjackson199]

A few points in response:
1. I have never made a DBR bet, pie or otherwise. Betting is not really my thing.
2. I didn’t say anything about whether or not Duke will be better than UNC next year. We were better than them this year, with a better statistical profile, better ACC seed, and better NCAA tourney run. They only won 2 of 3 this year because Duval got hurt in the ACCT (his 3-minute absence effectively decided the game). But I won’t say we are better with confidence until I see what our roster is. We basically know UNC’s team, barring any grad transfers. But our team still has a few potential moving parts. I will feel better about us once it is confirmed that at least two of our 3 remaining primary bigs are indeed on the team next year.

I do believe we will be better, and I think you are missing the key information related to UNC’s success: having multiple (2-4) 4/5-star upperclassmen. They won’t have that next year. This year, they had only 2, and they were notably worse than their Finalist/champ teams.

That said, despite my expectation that Duke will prove better again, I will wait to see what our team is before deciding whether to break my no-betting habits. If Jason and the Troublemaker (two self-proclaimed DBR degenerate gamblers) swoop in before me, so be it.

I fully agree with the bolded above. Duval wasn't the same player on his gimpy ankle in the ACCT. I also think Duval's foul trouble is why we lost the game in Chapel Hell. He fouled out of that game while Duke was making a nice comeback attempt. It would have been close, but I think Duke would have come back with Duval. When he was on, Duke was tough to beat. He was pretty on vs Kansas, so the Carter foul trouble killed us there.

[fuse]

Harumph. This shows the number of consult fees that have actually made it to any of my beer glasses:

8267

:(

Nonetheless, it is a very nice Orval chalice.

[UrinalCake]

I don't have a dog (or pie) in the fight, but given the two bets that RJ proposed I think UNC will have a better regular season ACC record than us due to our lack of experience (causing some early season head-shakers to bad teams) as well as UNC's easier schedule. I think it's about a push for which team advances farther in the tournament.

Little has looked really good on the All-Star circuit and has gotten excellent reports from the practices. I'd expect him to be a top-5 player when the final rankings are released from the various services. White has looked like an excellent scorer as well. The problem for UNC is that Little plays the same position as Cameron Johnson while White plays the same position as Kenny Williams. In that respect, our head to head matchups will be interesting because both teams are very wing-heavy without dominant inside scorers. We have the advantage of having a "pure" point guard but with freshmen you can't really predict how well they'll do.

[richardjackson199]

I don't have a dog (or pie) in the fight, but given the two bets that RJ proposed I think UNC will have a better regular season ACC record than us due to our lack of experience (causing some early season head-shakers to bad teams) as well as UNC's easier schedule. I think it's about a push for which team advances farther in the tournament.

Little has looked really good on the All-Star circuit and has gotten excellent reports from the practices. I'd expect him to be a top-5 player when the final rankings are released from the various services. White has looked like an excellent scorer as well. The problem for UNC is that Little plays the same position as Cameron Johnson while White plays the same position as Kenny Williams. In that respect, our head to head matchups will be interesting because both teams are very wing-heavy without dominant inside scorers. We have the advantage of having a "pure" point guard but with freshmen you can't really predict how well they'll do.

The Cheats do have an easier ACC schedule.

So the NCAA tourney bet may be the best bet of the 2. I'd assume this would argue for that:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/futures/

But the NCAA Tourney bet is more random given that anything can happen in a single-elimination tourney. ACC Tourney seeding is based on the course of a conference season. So the ACC tourney bet may be better if one thinks Duke will be the better team. But the schedules should be considered.

[Pghdukie]

I would strongly urge my DBR comrades to send an additional pie to the last Duke player standing at the end of the NBA Finals.

[left_hook_lacey]

Never got around to it, so I'll do it now. Shout out to Richard Jackson for paying up on our pie bet. It was delicious.

In the days following the message Richard sent that the pie was on the way, I constantly checked the mailbox and front door area, fearing it would get left outside too long.

My wife noticed my sudden uptick in interest in the mail....

Her: Why are you checking the mail so much lately? Are you getting some expected money from somewhere?

Me: No. Better. I won a pie bet.

Her: With who?

Me: A guy on the fan site you always see me reading.

Her: You bet pie? Why?

Me: Don't know. It's just how they do it. It's kind of a thing.

Her: Men are weird.

Me: I have no comeback. :cool:


8322

[UrinalCake]

That looks awesome. I am still optimistic about my current pie bet with RJ regarding our OAD’ers - if all four get drafted in the first round then he wins, otherwise I win. Wendell almost threw an enormous wrench into things, although I’m sure RJ would have been happy to pay up in order to get him back.

I do have to say, if I lose then the pie I’ll be sending out will not be nearly as nice as the one pictured above. Probably best that I leave the baking to the professionals 8-)

[devildeac]

Never got around to it, so I'll do it now. Shout out to Richard Jackson for paying up on our pie bet. It was delicious.

In the days following the message Richard sent that the pie was on the way, I constantly checked the mailbox and front door area, fearing it would get left outside too long.

My wife noticed my sudden uptick in interest in the mail...

Her: Why are you checking the mail so much lately? Are you getting some expected money from somewhere?

Me: No. Better. I won a pie bet.

Her: With who?

Me: A guy on the fan site you always see me reading.

Her: You bet pie? Why?

Me: Don't know. It's just how they do it. It's kind of a thing.

Her: Men are weird.

Me: I have no comeback. :cool:


8322

Sounds like some conversations that have occurred around the devildeac abode:o.

[left_hook_lacey]

Sounds like some conversations that have occurred around the devildeac abode:o.

You sir, have enjoyed the spoils of an errant Richard Jackson bet more than most. Thank you for allowing us to plunder the rich bounty of pie that is, Richard Jackson. 😎

[left_hook_lacey]

That looks awesome. I am still optimistic about my current pie bet with RJ regarding our OAD’ers - if all four get drafted in the first round then he wins, otherwise I win. Wendell almost threw an enormous wrench into things, although I’m sure RJ would have been happy to pay up in order to get him back.

I do have to say, if I lose then the pie I’ll be sending out will not be nearly as nice as the one pictured above. Probably best that I leave the baking to the professionals 8-)

I think you might be ok. I think Trent is the biggest question mark, but what do I know?

[devildeac]

You sir, have enjoyed the spoils of an errant Richard Jackson bet more than most. Thank you for allowing us to plunder the rich bounty of pie that is, Richard Jackson. ��

In theory:rolleyes:. RJ has yet to deliver my consult fee/s, but he keeps responding to posts like this one with promises to attend a tailgate this football season and deliver the "goods."

(all in good fun, but, I'm still thirsty ;))

[Rich]

I'll propose the following pie bet to the first taker only of CDu, Troublemaker, or JasonEvans:

They get the option because they are very astute posters who are almost always right in any predictions or pie bets. I've never won one, which is exactly why I'm proposing this one. I really think I'm right on this.

Pie Bet Option 1 - Next season I say UNCheat earns a higher seed to start the ACC Tourney than Duke. If they do, I win. If Duke earns a higher starting ACC Tourney seed, you win.
Pie Bet Option 2 - Next season I say UNCheat advances further in NCAA Tourney than Duke. If they do, I win. If Duke advances further, you win the pie. If they both go out in the exact same round, it's a push.

Pick whichever bet you most prefer. I'm only betting one pie on this to one of the above posters. First come first serve.

Make no mistake, regardless of betting a pie I'll be rooting as hard as ever for the Cheats to lose absolutely every game they play. It's not even really much of a hedge, because I want those cheating pond-scum bastards to lose and lose some more, and they should still be on probation IMO. But this is just what I really expect to happen.

Those damn vampires just won't die, and I'm done making the mistake I've made the last couple years of assuming they lost "Fill in the blank" so they'll be worse. I really thought - ok, they lost Paige and Brice Johnson, now they're going to suck. They got zero punshiments and then won a Natty. Ok, they lost Meeks, Hicks, Jackson, AND Bradley. They're going to really suck. They beat us 2/3. Now they lost Pinson and Dingle-Berry. I'm not fooled.

I've never won a pie bet, and more than happy to put that jinx mojo on the Cheats. I agree with JasonEvans and CDu that the Cheats' fortunes will largely depend on the play of Coby White at PG and that Pinson was a beast. I can still hope that Roy will play Seventh Woods at PG for lots of minutes. But ol Roy aint that stupid. What I've seen from Coby White is that he can play PG much better than I was hoping. And Nas Little may be the best recruit in this class. Pinson was awesome. Little is on a whole nother level. I really hope I'm wrong about that, because I do believe he was offered $150K to play for Miami and the Cheats scooped him up right after that was uncovered.

So JasonEvans, Trouble, or CDu; Who wants to join the club of having won a pie from my bakery? (Trouble has thus far only won beer from me.) :D

Richard, you're playing with fire here. If I understand the situation, you have admitted that you always seem to lose bets so you have decided to bet in favor of something that you do not really want to happen (Carolina succeeding) anticipating that you will lose the bet so the thing you really want to happen (Duke succeeding), will happen.

This strikes me as an affront to the weauxfgods (sp?) who will easily see through your nefarious and foolish plan, take offense, and somehow wreak extra havoc on you and/or the rest of us as your Duke brethren. You have created an obvious premeditated reverse weauxf which can only backfire. I beseech you not enter into this fool hearted scheme!

[richardjackson199]

Richard, you're playing with fire here. If I understand the situation, you have admitted that you always seem to lose bets so you have decided to bet in favor of something that you do not really want to happen (Carolina succeeding) anticipating that you will lose the bet so the thing you really want to happen (Duke succeeding), will happen.

This strikes me as an affront to the weauxfgods (sp?) who will easily see through your nefarious and foolish plan, take offense, and somehow wreak extra havoc on you and/or the rest of us as your Duke brethren. You have created an obvious premeditated reverse weauxf which can only backfire. I beseech you not enter into this fool hearted scheme!

Don't worry, none of CDu, Troublemaker, or JasonEvans wanted to touch that bet, so I don't think the bet was ever going to happen anyway. Sadly I imagine they turned it down because they probably didn't like their chances to win the bet with our youngest team ever and the Cheats combining some good returning experience with some very talented freshmen. CDu basically said betting just isn't his thing. I proposed the bet with those posters because they usually win their pie bets (or are right with their predictions if they don't bet) and like you said, I've never won a pie bet. I figured something had to give, and I was hoping my streak of continuing to lose pie bets worked.

I considered your above "don't tick off the reverse weauxfgods" and held off on betting pie on Kansas when Duke played Kansas. But not betting pie didn't work either. We still lost. So maybe if I'd bet the pie on Kansas, Grayson's shot goes in - maybe it was that close. :cool: So I figured, what the hell, let's test it on this one. And yes, I'd be rooting 100% to lose the bet! I believe dukelifer made a similar bet with Troublemaker on the Cheats, and it worked like a charm. And I'm a bigger loser than dukelifer! :) But it would be cool if it keeps working. Pie is cheap, Duke beating the Cheats is priceless. ;)

(And yep, betting pie or not betting pie would probably not have helped us beat Kansas. But magical thinking is more fun.)

And Congrats Left Hook! The pie was supposed to say UMBC>UVA, but victory all tastes just as sweet going down!

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Shout out to Jason for the fine looking Boston Cream Pie that arrived today after some delay when the shipping companies couldn’t quite figure out how to deliver to a little island in SW Florida with no mail delivery service.

Jason stuck with it and got it done...

I’m sure it’s going to taste extra good after dinner tonight knowing it’s the first of many to come from him in the future :)

8323

P.S. I will be accepting proposals through the off season on potential wagers for next year...

[Troublemaker]

Sadly I imagine they turned it down because they probably didn't like their chances to win the bet with our youngest team ever and the Cheats combining some good returning experience with some very talented freshmen.

I actually didn't turn you down (yet). I'm just waiting because
(1) It's actually REALLY degenerate -- more than I'm used too, even :-) -- to bet on next season in April before rosters are finalized.
(2) You're not my target, Richard, and I don't necessarily want to win more stuff off you. If I'm going to make some sort of Duke vs UNC bet, it should be with Wheat.



P.S. I will be accepting proposals through the off season on potential wagers for next year...

Yeah, we'll come up with something.

[CDu]

I actually didn't turn you down (yet). I'm just waiting because
(1) It's actually REALLY degenerate -- more than I'm used too, even :-) -- to bet on next season in April before rosters are finalized.
(2) You're not my target, Richard, and I don't necessarily want to win more stuff off you. If I'm going to make some sort of Duke vs UNC bet, it should be with Wheat.



Yeah, we'll come up with something.

Same here. Hell, I even explained why I haven’t pulled the trigger on a bet yet - that I would wait until I know what the rosters actually are. So, yeah, please refrain from the chirping RJ. As I said in my post that you cherry-picked response from, there is still a likelihood you will be losing a bet to me on one of those. Even though betting isn’t my thing.

Patience RJ - plenty of time yet for you to lose that bet. ;)

[richardjackson199]

I actually didn't turn you down (yet). I'm just waiting because
(1) It's actually REALLY degenerate -- more than I'm used too, even :-) -- to bet on next season in April before rosters are finalized.
(2) You're not my target, Richard, and I don't necessarily want to win more stuff off you. If I'm going to make some sort of Duke vs UNC bet, it should be with Wheat.



Yeah, we'll come up with something.

Yeah that does feel more right. Get him again!

[richardjackson199]

Same here. Hell, I even explained why I haven’t pulled the trigger on a bet yet - that I would wait until I know what the rosters actually are. So, yeah, please refrain from the chirping RJ. As I said in my post that you cherry-picked response from, there is still a likelihood you will be losing a bet to me on one of those. Even though betting isn’t my thing.

Patience RJ - plenty of time yet for you to lose that bet. ;)

Sweet! :p

Degeneracy is fun. After you taste that pie you'll be ready for Vegas.

[JasonEvans]

Yeah, I too was waiting to make sure I knew rosters before taking Sir Jackson up on his bet.

On another note I am so sorry it took me a while to get Wheat his pie. Shipping was part of the problem, but my own inability to follow up was also in the mix. That said, that sucker looks really good so I am sure Wheat does not mind waiting for something so delicious.

-Jason "I really wish I still had a picture of Wheat's pale blue key lime pie... that was the best!" Evans

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Yeah, I too was waiting to make sure I knew rosters before taking Sir Jackson up on his bet.

On another note I am so sorry it took me a while to get Wheat his pie. Shipping was part of the problem, but my own inability to follow up was also in the mix. That said, that sucker looks really good so I am sure Wheat does not mind waiting for something so delicious.

-Jason "I really wish I still had a picture of Wheat's pale blue key lime pie... that was the best!" Evans

No problem on the delay, I knew where to find you...the wait will only make it taste that much better tonight!

I’m assuming the pundits will have the Duke’s greatest recruiting class ever ranked #1 team preseason...if so, i’m wondering if maybe there is a potential pie bet out there where I get my pie delivered at the point in the season when UNC is ranked higher in the polls next season....Hmmmm...will have to ponder that one for awhile.

[richardjackson199]

Yeah, I too was waiting to make sure I knew rosters before taking Sir Jackson up on his bet.

On another note I am so sorry it took me a while to get Wheat his pie. Shipping was part of the problem, but my own inability to follow up was also in the mix. That said, that sucker looks really good so I am sure Wheat does not mind waiting for something so delicious.

-Jason "I really wish I still had a picture of Wheat's pale blue key lime pie... that was the best!" Evans

Fair enough. But with your avatar, waiting for rosters is like waiting until after the river to shove all in. :cool: I think the read we made is right on the rosters. Bolden and Cam Johnson are both returning. Carter gone of course. I haven't heard that Duke is really even considering adding anybody else to our team next year. But I guess Bagley showed up in August, so April is perhaps a bit too degenerate. Just how I like it!

[JasonEvans]

Fair enough. But with your avatar, waiting for rosters is like waiting until after the river to shove all in. :cool: I think the read we made is right on the rosters. Bolden and Cam Johnson are both returning. Carter gone of course. I haven't heard that Duke is really even considering adding anybody else to our team next year. But I guess Bagley showed up in August, so April is perhaps a bit too degenerate. Just how I like it!

Dude, between reclassification and early entry, ain't no way to feel confident about anyone's roster prior to mid-May, at least.

[richardjackson199]

Dude, between reclassification and early entry, ain't no way to feel confident about anyone's roster prior to mid-May, at least.

After losing 5 starters, we really better be done with early entry. A re-class would definitely be nice. I def think this Duke team is rolling with who we have now, but I've been wrong before, once or twice if memory serves. :eek:

[richardjackson199]

That looks awesome. I am still optimistic about my current pie bet with RJ regarding our OAD’ers - if all four get drafted in the first round then he wins, otherwise I win. Wendell almost threw an enormous wrench into things, although I’m sure RJ would have been happy to pay up in order to get him back.

I do have to say, if I lose then the pie I’ll be sending out will not be nearly as nice as the one pictured above. Probably best that I leave the baking to the professionals 8-)

You better believe Carter returning would have been the best way to lose that bet. I still love this bet too. I don't think any of the mocks have a clue (clearly I don't with this), and expect the unexpected with this one. Draft night will be fun regardless!

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

You better believe Carter returning would have been the best way to lose that bet. I still love this bet too. I don't think any of the mocks have a clue (clearly I don't with this), and expect the unexpected with this one. Draft night will be fun regardless!

It could be the proudest moment of K's career!

[left_hook_lacey]

It could be the proudest moment of K's career!

I hope this was sarcasm.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I hope this was sarcasm.

Apologies. I thought it was clear Calipari snark.

[left_hook_lacey]

Apologies. I thought it was clear Calipari snark.

Shew, was hoping so. But these are strange new times we live in.

[UrinalCake]

You better believe Carter returning would have been the best way to lose that bet. I still love this bet too. I don't think any of the mocks have a clue (clearly I don't with this), and expect the unexpected with this one. Draft night will be fun regardless!

For the record, if Carter had come back then I was going to offer to renegotiate our bet to leave Carter out of it (after I was done running around the block and screaming). He obviously would/will be a first round pick, and this bet is really about Trent and Duval.

We’ll have more clarity after the combine and pre-draft workouts. I imagine that Duval will show well and climb into end-of-first-round projections similar to Frank last year, while Trent will slip due to average athleticism. But we’ll see.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Shew, was hoping so. But these are strange new times we live in.

I am old school. These new times terrify me. I still have an onion on my belt.

[richardjackson199]

For the record, if Carter had come back then I was going to offer to renegotiate our bet to leave Carter out of it (after I was done running around the block and screaming). He obviously would/will be a first round pick, and this bet is really about Trent and Duval.

We’ll have more clarity after the combine and pre-draft workouts. I imagine that Duval will show well and climb into end-of-first-round projections similar to Frank last year, while Trent will slip due to average athleticism. But we’ll see.

Thanks! I obviously just never really considered that Wendell might actually return. Not when it came down to decision time.

I think that sounds right regarding Duval and Trent. I like how Jay Wright said after the Final 4 (when asked about DiVencenzo) "I guess I'd make a terrible NBA GM because I have no idea what they're looking for" (or something to that effect). I don't either. But if I was an NBA GM with a first round pick outside the lottery; I'd absolutely burn it on Duval. His upside to be special is tremendous IMO. Duke was just electrifying when Duval was on, and he could be "on" on both ends of the floor. He could be a special point guard, and I think Coach K was right- his shot is improving. If he figures that out, he will be dynamite. He can already score or create in numerous ways at a very high level near the rim, and he can get there with the best of them. Decision making is also something I'd expect can improve with experience. He has the intangibles and potential that can't be taught.

As for Trent, I'd also take him as a late first round pick, but later than Duval. Trent showed from the free throw line and 3 point range that he can shoot and spread the floor. He usually has a good killer instinct that will serve him well in the NBA. He is big enough to play that position in the NBA. His athleticism is what it is, but he showed he can get his shot and put points on the board. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he falls to 2nd round. I'm sure that is the general consensus from those "in the know" whatever that means. I think he could be a good NBA player, with a ceiling of Bradley Beal type. I obviously think he's very late first round talent and potential, but we'll see! :cool:

The bakery will be preheating soon just in case.

[richardjackson199]

Since this one won't be decided until the end of next season, here's My Pie Bet with Kaze:


Oh, of course I'm 100% in.

For those who don't know, I proclaimed when Jack White committed to Duke that he would be a rotation player by year 3. I still stand 100% by that. He will be the 8th man. Mark my words.

Shakes on it.

Jack White plays more minutes next season - you win the pie. Joey Baker plays more minutes, I win the pie. (And if Joey Baker redshirts, well then I like your chances! The bet will stand.)

Good luck!

[richardjackson199]

Dude, between reclassification and early entry, ain't no way to feel confident about anyone's roster prior to mid-May, at least.

Jason you were 100% right on. I never saw Joey Baker's reclass coming. I'm really excited about him and obviously think he will factor into our rotation. I hope he plays a key role, because if he does (meaning he's good enough to do so), I think we could be really special.

So now knowing our rotations for next year, I'm withdrawing the pie bet proposal I previously made to you, CDu, and Trouble. I have enough pies in the oven now. I no longer think the cheats are better than us (I have no idea really). But I don't feel like betting on the cheats. I hope you fleece Wheat. 9F

[CDu]

Jason you were 100% right on. I never saw Joey Baker's reclass coming. I'm really excited about him and obviously think he will factor into our rotation. I hope he plays a key role, because if he does (meaning he's good enough to do so), I think we could be really special.

So now knowing our rotations for next year, I'm withdrawing the pie bet proposal I previously made to you, CDu, and Trouble. I have enough pies in the oven now. I no longer think the cheats are better than us (I have no idea really). But I don't feel like betting on the cheats. I hope you fleece Wheat. 9F

Baker’s reclass (I mean, we are debating whether or not he will redshirt or play just 8-12 mpg) seems like an odd reason to pull the bet, but that is fine with me. As I said, I haven’t ever made a bet before on DBR, so I am ok with not doing it here. I do still very much think Duke will be a better team than UNC next year. But I am ok not having a bet to show for it.

[left_hook_lacey]

Jason you were 100% right on. I never saw Joey Baker's reclass coming. I'm really excited about him and obviously think he will factor into our rotation. I hope he plays a key role, because if he does (meaning he's good enough to do so), I think we could be really special.

So now knowing our rotations for next year, I'm withdrawing the pie bet proposal I previously made to you, CDu, and Trouble. I have enough pies in the oven now. I no longer think the cheats are better than us (I have no idea really). But I don't feel like betting on the cheats. I hope you fleece Wheat. 9F

So what's one more? Make it a Baker's dozen!

[UrinalCake]

Jack White plays more minutes next season - you win the pie. Joey Baker plays more minutes, I win the pie.

I feel like both sides need to agree on whether minutes in the exhibition games will count towards this bet. It is likely that either player would play a significant chunk of their total minutes in these games, including the ones in Canada.

[devildeac]

I feel like both sides need to agree on whether minutes in the exhibition games will count towards this bet. It is likely that either player would play a significant chunk of their total minutes in these games, including the ones in Canada.

Good thing we're not having any sort of "cake" bets :o:rolleyes:.

[kAzE]

Since this one won't be decided until the end of next season, here's My Pie Bet with Kaze:

Shakes on it.

Jack White plays more minutes next season - you win the pie. Joey Baker plays more minutes, I win the pie. (And if Joey Baker redshirts, well then I like your chances! The bet will stand.)

Good luck!

So how does this work if either guy gets injured (knocked on wood) for a lengthy duration? Call off the bet?


I feel like both sides need to agree on whether minutes in the exhibition games will count towards this bet. It is likely that either player would play a significant chunk of their total minutes in these games, including the ones in Canada.

I would prefer that exhibition games not count.

[JasonEvans]

On no planet should exhibition games count at all. That would be crazy.

Ok, is the Jack White bet on whether he is "in the rotation" or whether he gets the "8th most minutes" on the team? Cause those two are not necessarily identical. To me, "in the rotation" means they play more than mop up minutes in 90% of the games in which they are available (injury games or other suspension excluded). To me, if a guy even plays just 4 or 5 minutes per game in virtually every ACC game or against big time opponents, they are clearly in the rotation.

So, in 2017-18, Jack White was not "in the rotation." He sat out pretty much every competitive game in the early season and then did not play at all against BC, FSU, or Virginia. He played just 1-2 minutes in a half dozen other ACC contests (generally just playing at the very end of the game in mop up time). He similarly put up DNPs against both Syracuse and Kansas. That's someone not in the rotation. Contrast that with Alex O'Connell who had only one DNP all season (St. John) and played more than 2 minutes in all but four or five games all year. No question he was "in the rotation."

I suspect this will be an easy question to answer. You won't need any specific metric because it will be obvious. I mean, is there anyone who would argue that Goldwire or White (who had very similar DNP and minute profiles) actually were in the rotation last year? Is there anyone who would argue that AOC was not?

Also, it is just my opinion, but I would say that if White gets injured before Thanksgiving then the bet is off. If he plays into December and then gets injured, you would look at his playing time profile in the games in which he was able to play to determine if he was in the rotation at that time. Personally, I think you should appoint a "Special Master" to determine whether JDub is "in the rotation," not just go by average or total minutes played. There are scenarios where the 8th most minutes is not in the rotation and where the 9th most minutes is.

-Jason "just MHO... though I am the guy who invented the notion of the pie bet ;) " Evans

[kAzE]

Ok, is the Jack White bet on whether he is "in the rotation" or whether he gets the "8th most minutes" on the team?

Nah the bet was simply "who plays more total minutes? Jack White or Joey Baker?"

There's no stipulation about being in the rotation or not, although my prediction was that Jack would be the 8th man.

[JasonEvans]

Nah the bet was simply "who plays more total minutes? Jack White or Joey Baker?"

There's no stipulation about being in the rotation or not, although my prediction was that Jack would be the 8th man.

Gotcha... though I think an "in the rotation" bet on Jack would also be fun ;)

[UrinalCake]

Also, it is just my opinion, but I would say that if White gets injured before Thanksgiving then the bet is off.

But how do you define “injured”? If he misses one game, does that count? What if we see him wearing a knee brace on the bench and he doesn’t play, but maybe he wouldn’t have played anyways? Or what if he plays through the injury? There was speculation that he had some sort of minor injury at the start of last season, but nobody knew anything for sure.

My opinion is that for the sake of simplicity, injuries are not factored in. In the worst case scenario where a guy has a season-ending injury, well that’s why they call it gambling.

[UrinalCake]

On no planet should exhibition games count at all. That would be crazy.

They SHOULDN’T count, but it would make the bet WAY more fun. Because both of these guys are much more likely to actually play in exhibition games than once the season starts. If one of them racks up 25 minutes in a game up in Canada, then the other player could totally jump ahead in the rotation but still take the next three months to catch him. Plus with the international trip the fun can start in August and our competitors won’t have to wait as long.

[richardjackson199]

So how does this work if either guy gets injured (knocked on wood) for a lengthy duration? Call off the bet?



I would prefer that exhibition games not count.

I'm all for keeping the outcome of the bet as simple and objective as possible. Of course it's a friendly wager, and just makes the season more fun.

I agree with Kaze - exclude all exhibition games. We'll just count total minutes for all actual games that Duke plays that count - Regular season, Conference Season, and all Tournament games played.

I also think injuries can be subjective. Duke is notorious for putting out or not putting out vague information regarding injuries. Maybe a player is missing a game because they are injured to a certain degree. Maybe not. Maybe there is more to it that we'll never know. I don't like maybes with bets. Players can have all variations of injuries leading to minutes restrictions, devastating, and everything across the spectrum.

So I'd say that is why they call it gambling. Bad beats happen all the time. Injuries and redshirts are unknowns which can have a major impact on the outcome of the bet. But if I lose the bet for any reason - injury, redshirt, whatever, I'll gladly ship the pie and probably blame my pie bet for jinxing Baker.

So my vote would be that the winner of the bet is the player with most Total Minutes in all real Duke games. All minutes in all real games are equal. (Jason is right - they aren't all really equal. But it makes for a simpler bet, and a more fair bet IMO). One would think that the player most "in the rotation" would end up with the most total minutes in real games. An injury could derail that, but an injury could happen to anybody at any time to any degree. I never want any player on any team to get injured. But they do, it's part of the game, and it happens way more often than any of us would like.

Like Kaze said, we didn't bet on "8th guy" or "most in the rotation" or whatever. We just bet on most total minutes (I think we both assumed real games, and good call to clarify).

Just my opinion, but none of it is a big deal. I'm completely flexible. I love that Kaze put a pie behind his prediction! Kaze, just tell me whatever terms you want to go with, and I'll probably agree.

Who knew pie bets could get so complicated that they might need a grand master arbitrator. I love DBR. :cool:

[devildeac]

I'm all for keeping the outcome of the bet as simple and objective as possible. Of course it's a friendly wager, and just makes the season more fun.

I agree with Kaze - exclude all exhibition games. We'll just count total minutes for all actual games that Duke plays that count - Regular season, Conference Season, and all Tournament games played.

I also think injuries can be subjective. Duke is notorious for putting out or not putting out vague information regarding injuries. Maybe a player is missing a game because they are injured to a certain degree. Maybe not. Maybe there is more to it that we'll never know. I don't like maybes with bets. Players can have all variations of injuries leading to minutes restrictions, devastating, and everything across the spectrum.

So I'd say that is why they call it gambling. Injuries and redshirts are unknowns which can have a major impact on the outcome of the bet. But if I lose the bet for any reason - injury, redshirt, whatever, I'll gladly ship the pie and probably blame my pie bet for jinxing Baker.

So my vote would be that the winner of the bet is the player with most Total Minutes in all real Duke games. All minutes in all real games are equal. (Jason is right - they aren't all really equal. But it makes for a simpler bet, and a more fair bet IMO). One would think that the player most "in the rotation" would end up with the most total minutes in real games. An injury could derail that, but an injury could happen to anybody at any time to any degree. I never want any player on any team to get injured. But they do, it's part of the game, and it happens way more often than any of us would like.

Like Kaze said, we didn't bet on "8th guy" or "most in the rotation" or whatever. We just bet on most total minutes (I think we both assumed real games, and good call to clarify).

Just my opinion, but none of it is a big deal. I'm completely flexible. I love that Kaze put a pie behind his prediction! Kaze, just tell me whatever terms you want to go with, and I'll probably agree.

Who knew pie bets could get so complicated that they might need a grand master arbitrator. I love DBR. :cool:

I'm available, of course. For a fee. A small one. Twelve or 16 ounces will suffice. Liquid assets. :o

[richardjackson199]

Baker’s reclass (I mean, we are debating whether or not he will redshirt or play just 8-12 mpg) seems like an odd reason to pull the bet, but that is fine with me. As I said, I haven’t ever made a bet before on DBR, so I am ok with not doing it here. I do still very much think Duke will be a better team than UNC next year. But I am ok not having a bet to show for it.

There will always be another chance!

The proposed bets are good bets I think if somebody thinks the cheats are better. Wheat would probably take you up on either bet, but I won't speak for him. But winning a pie from Wheat would be even sweeter than from me - just ask Trouble and Jason. I'd be cheering for you to win, and I'm now thinking/hoping Baker tips the scale in the favor of Duke to win that bet.

At this point I just want to be excited about Baker, and this Duke team. I never really liked that bet of course. Hedging works if I really fear I know the outcome. But that bet now feels like a Lose-Lose to me. (It was before as well. But since I really thought the cheats were better I was just hoping to jinx them with a pie bet even though I don't really believe in jinxes. But maybe I'm wrong and jinxes work. Just ask Wade Boggs. So I proposed that bet at the time just in case. The "I'm not going to jinx it thread" is there for a reason, ya know.)

I get your point that up to 10 minutes or so from Baker shouldn't be all that big a deal. But I'm happy to have a reason for optimism!

[richardjackson199]

On no planet should exhibition games count at all. That would be crazy.

Ok, is the Jack White bet on whether he is "in the rotation" or whether he gets the "8th most minutes" on the team? Cause those two are not necessarily identical. To me, "in the rotation" means they play more than mop up minutes in 90% of the games in which they are available (injury games or other suspension excluded). To me, if a guy even plays just 4 or 5 minutes per game in virtually every ACC game or against big time opponents, they are clearly in the rotation.

So, in 2017-18, Jack White was not "in the rotation." He sat out pretty much every competitive game in the early season and then did not play at all against BC, FSU, or Virginia. He played just 1-2 minutes in a half dozen other ACC contests (generally just playing at the very end of the game in mop up time). He similarly put up DNPs against both Syracuse and Kansas. That's someone not in the rotation. Contrast that with Alex O'Connell who had only one DNP all season (St. John) and played more than 2 minutes in all but four or five games all year. No question he was "in the rotation."

I suspect this will be an easy question to answer. You won't need any specific metric because it will be obvious. I mean, is there anyone who would argue that Goldwire or White (who had very similar DNP and minute profiles) actually were in the rotation last year? Is there anyone who would argue that AOC was not?

Also, it is just my opinion, but I would say that if White gets injured before Thanksgiving then the bet is off. If he plays into December and then gets injured, you would look at his playing time profile in the games in which he was able to play to determine if he was in the rotation at that time. Personally, I think you should appoint a "Special Master" to determine whether JDub is "in the rotation," not just go by average or total minutes played. There are scenarios where the 8th most minutes is not in the rotation and where the 9th most minutes is.

-Jason "just MHO... though I am the guy who invented the notion of the pie bet ;) " Evans

Don't get me wrong - everything you say here makes excellent sense. I just vote for a simple, objective bet. Bad beats happen and nobody really likes to win that way. If I river a guy in a friendly poker game, everybody knows that he got screwed by chance and I maybe don't deserve the pot. But I rake it up anyway. I've won my share of lucky rivers and also lost my share.

But I've still never won a pie. ;)

[richardjackson199]

I'm available, of course. For a fee. A small one. Twelve or 16 ounces will suffice. Liquid assets. :o

And I thought when I started betting pies I could avoid this clever middle man!

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[richardjackson199]

What exactly did JNort and JasonEvans bet? Is it just as simple as Cavs make NBA Finals then JNort wins one pie from Jason? And so if Cavs don't make NBA Finals Jason wins 1 pie from JNort?

Pie bets make it more interesting for our whole community IMO even for those not directly involved. Good luck to both for an exciting series with great play from both Tatum and hopefully Hood.

[JasonEvans]

What exactly did JNort and JasonEvans bet? Is it just as simple as Cavs make NBA Finals then JNort wins one pie from Jason? And so if Cavs don't make NBA Finals Jason wins 1 pie from JNort?

Pie bets make it more interesting for our whole community IMO even for those not directly involved. Good luck to both for an exciting series with great play from both Tatum and hopefully Hood.

Yup, it is a really simple bet.

The wager was made back in early February, when the Cavs looked truly horrid. JNort said he still expected Lebron to lift them to the finals and I scoffed at that. A few posts later, we had a wager. He got the Lebrons and I got every other team in the East. At the time, the Cavs were a little less than 2-1 to win the East in Vegas so I knew I was getting good odds.

In less than 24 hours after making the wager, the Cavs picked up Hood, Clarkston, Nance, and Hill in a series of trades. Still, I think I made a good bet, though I really expected Toronto to be the team that knocked the Cavs out... shows what I know.

-Jason "If I win, I may instruct JNort to send the pie to Brad Stevens instead ;) " Evans

[richardjackson199]

Good Luck tonight JasonEvans and JNort!

1 Game to win it all, as it should be. The southern phrase "Easy as Pie" does not apply.

At Boston -2.5, the Kevin Love injury looms large. This home court advantage will help decide the outcome. I expect Boston to cover.

Lebron is one of the best ever, but Brad Stevens will figure out how to contain him enough to win Game 7 at home.

It should be a fun, intense game, for all the pie!

[UrinalCake]

I think home court is a bigger factor than the Love injury. Keep in mind Love played on 5 minutes in game 6, yet the Cavs won fairly comfortably. Should be a great game; as has often been the case for Cleveland the game will be determined by whether their role players (i.e. everyone not named LeBron) can hit shots.

I actually think Cleveland would have a better shot against the Warriors than Boston. They have an experienced core and LeBron is the ultimate X factor.

[JasonEvans]

JNort... congrats my friend. Please let me know what pie you want.

[Troublemaker]

P.S. I will be accepting proposals through the off season on potential wagers for next year...

Wheat - I previously wrote that I would get back to you on this later on in the offseason. I thought it'd be later than May 29th (still very early and very degenerate to bet on next season), but I'm somewhat bored today.

Here's my first proposal. A very simple bet: Duke advances further in the NCAA tournament - I win pie. UNC advances further - you win pie. If both schools are eliminated in the same round, it's a wash and no pie gets conveyed.

An NCAA tourney bet should tickle your fancy, since your team is coached by Roy "2 title games in 3 years" Williams while Duke has suffered through some tournament disappointments recently. Surely a Duke team that projects to start 4 freshmen won't be making any deep tournament runs.

[Troublemaker]

You should make time, it’s pretty good. The kid is getting some good training and it shows a lot about his game...I always watch a Duke recruit’s video library when I can find them.

I’ll chew on the pie bet proposal. Duke’s ranked top 3 preseason everywhere, greatest recruiting class of future pros of all time...and UNC has a lot of rebuilding to do.

Seems like I’d be the dog in a bet like that.

From my perspective, I would hope so. But if you feel that way, you shouldn't accept the bet. Usually, both parties in a straight-up bet (no odds given) will think the other person is the underdog because obviously why accept the bet unless you think you have the advantage?

Maybe I misread your offseason posts. I thought you believed UNC will be back to being a championship contender because Sterling Manley will give you the post presence you sorely lacked last season. Duke's probably going to be a good team again, but we're going to be too young and too lacking-post-presence to be a real contender, no? We have some nice recruits but they all overlap and there's no Okafor or Bagley/Carter in there.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

From my perspective, I would hope so. But if you feel that way, you shouldn't accept the bet. Usually, both parties in a straight-up bet (no odds given) will think the other person is the underdog because obviously why accept the bet unless you think you have the advantage?

Maybe I misread your offseason posts. I thought you believed UNC will be back to being a championship contender because Sterling Manley will give you the post presence you sorely lacked last season. Duke's probably going to be a good team again, but we're going to be too young and too lacking-post-presence to be a real contender, no? We have some nice recruits but they all overlap and there's no Okafor or Bagley/Carter in there.

I do believe that UNC will be a contender, and that Manley will become a post threat. But I hate to bet on freshmen that I haven’t seen play myself, and UNC will need to depend heavily on White and Little. All I’ve seen of Little, White and Black are YouTube videos and you know there’s only so much you can tell about a player from that.

I haven’t seen any of Duke’s freshmen play a game.

I’m chewin’ on it because it’s not a totally one sided bet...I think there may be a good chance UNC goes deeper than Duke in the tourney, but maybe we can revisit this after we’ve seen each team play,say...5 games?

[Troublemaker]

but maybe we can revisit this after we’ve seen each team play,say...5 games?

No problem, Wheat. Whatever you're comfortable with.



I’m chewin’ on it because it’s not a totally one sided bet...I think there may be a good chance UNC goes deeper than Duke in the tourney

You shouldn't take the bet even if it's just a LITTLE one-sided, Wheat. You should take the bet only if you think it favors you.

I'm just surprised, is all. My impression is that the average UNC fan thinks UNC will be better than Duke next season and that you would be part of that group.

You had mentioned before that Duke is top-3 in the preseason polls. That's true but
(A) UNC is generally top-8 in those same polls, and
(B) When have these preseason polls really meant anything? My impression is that UNC fans believe Duke is totally overrated again in those polls due to our "5-star prospects" (finger quotes) that have never played a college game while UNC's experience is getting short shrift. UNC fans typically think the two teams' rankings should be reversed. At least. Plus, the world has no idea yet about Coby White, who is currently lighting up the USA U18 trials (https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/what-i-liked-corey-evans-from-usa-basketball-u18-trials), and that is causing UNC to be further underranked.

I'm just surprised, is all. I'm not even choosing a measuring stick that would be favorable to Duke like the ACC tournament. I'm talking about the NCAA tourney and making a bet on which team goes further. The Big Dance is Roy's bread and butter! Roy always has his teams playing well by March, and Duke flames out consistently in the tournament, probably due to Coach K's short rotation which limits Duke's upside, unlike Roy's; Duke starts seasons out like gangbusters but then stops improving by January.

I'm just surprised, really.

[thedukelamere]

My impression is that UNC fans believe Duke is totally overrated again in those polls due to our "5-star prospects" (finger quotes) that have never played a college game while UNC's experience is getting short shrift.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VeneratedFinishedHake-small.gif

[Wheat/"/"/"]

No problem, Wheat. Whatever you're comfortable with.



You shouldn't take the bet even if it's just a LITTLE one-sided, Wheat. You should take the bet only if you think it favors you.

I'm just surprised, is all. My impression is that the average UNC fan thinks UNC will be better than Duke next season and that you would be part of that group.

You had mentioned before that Duke is top-3 in the preseason polls. That's true but
(A) UNC is generally top-8 in those same polls, and
(B) When have these preseason polls really meant anything? My impression is that UNC fans believe Duke is totally overrated again in those polls due to our "5-star prospects" (finger quotes) that have never played a college game while UNC's experience is getting short shrift. UNC fans typically think the two teams' rankings should be reversed. At least. Plus, the world has no idea yet about Coby White, who is currently lighting up the USA U18 trials (https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/what-i-liked-corey-evans-from-usa-basketball-u18-trials), and that is causing UNC to be further underranked.

I'm just surprised, is all. I'm not even choosing a measuring stick that would be favorable to Duke like the ACC tournament. I'm talking about the NCAA tourney and making a bet on which team goes further. The Big Dance is Roy's bread and butter! Roy always has his teams playing well by March, and Duke flames out consistently in the tournament, probably due to Coach K's short rotation which limits Duke's upside, unlike Roy's; Duke starts seasons out like gangbusters but then stops improving by January.

I'm just surprised, really.

I just want to see players play for myself before I bet on anything like who will go deeper. I trust my own evaluations, We have to factor in team fit, not just individual skills like the recruiting services do... and this would be a team bet...and who’s seen a team yet?

I’ve seen enough of Coby White’s game just in videos to feel comfortable thinking he’s going to have a very positive freshman impact, but I can’t say the same for Little because I just don’t have a feel for his game thru videos, even tho he is rated very highly by recruiting sources.

And I know nothing about the new Duke guys past Zion’s dunk fest high lites against weak players on YouTube. I really want to see him play a game, or two, along with the others before I have any sort of feel for myself how good this Duke team may be this season.

If I think Duke has a better team, i’ll say so. They may very well be better if there are 5 NBA guys starting this season. We’ll see.

[UrinalCake]

If someone had proposed this bet five games into the season last year, there is no way a UNC fan would have taken it. Duke had beaten MSU with Bagley barely playing, and then MSU in turn handled UNC. Duke looked like a way better team.

However, if someone proposed the same bet the day after the tournament brackets were released, it probably felt like an even bet. Both teams were 2 seeds, UNC had won 2/3 head to head, and had what appeared to be a much easier draw (though it didn’t turn out that way).

Not sure what my point is, other than both teams will likely have ups and downs throughout the season so now is as good a time as any to make a friendly wager 8-).

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I made a key lime pie for my wife's birthday today, complete with candles.

[devildeac]

I made a key lime pie for my wife's birthday today, complete with candles.

What bet did you lose?

:rolleyes:

[Wheat/"/"/"]

No problem, Wheat. Whatever you're comfortable with.



You shouldn't take the bet even if it's just a LITTLE one-sided, Wheat. You should take the bet only if you think it favors you.

I'm just surprised, is all. My impression is that the average UNC fan thinks UNC will be better than Duke next season and that you would be part of that group.

You had mentioned before that Duke is top-3 in the preseason polls. That's true but
(A) UNC is generally top-8 in those same polls, and
(B) When have these preseason polls really meant anything? My impression is that UNC fans believe Duke is totally overrated again in those polls due to our "5-star prospects" (finger quotes) that have never played a college game while UNC's experience is getting short shrift. UNC fans typically think the two teams' rankings should be reversed. At least. Plus, the world has no idea yet about Coby White, who is currently lighting up the USA U18 trials (https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/what-i-liked-corey-evans-from-usa-basketball-u18-trials), and that is causing UNC to be further underranked.

I'm just surprised, is all. I'm not even choosing a measuring stick that would be favorable to Duke like the ACC tournament. I'm talking about the NCAA tourney and making a bet on which team goes further. The Big Dance is Roy's bread and butter! Roy always has his teams playing well by March, and Duke flames out consistently in the tournament, probably due to Coach K's short rotation which limits Duke's upside, unlike Roy's; Duke starts seasons out like gangbusters but then stops improving by January.

I'm just surprised, really.

OK...I’ve been chewin’ on it and decided to take you up on your bet.

I do think UNC will have a team capable of playing for the national title, which means the final weekend.
While I have no clue about Duke’s potential, beyond knowing they will be talented, that’s actually a plus for me...you’re willing to gamble on an unknown/young team, and I don’t have to. So there’s that...

I applaud the confidence you have in your team, even tho you haven’t seen a majority of the players play in a college game. You deserve an opportunity to chose the pie of your choice should you win with that gamble.

Of course the tourney is a crapshoot no matter how good a team is, so a bet like this is always a gamble for both of us, but I’ve decided I like my odds.

Good luck!

[Troublemaker]

OK...I’ve been chewin’ on it and decided to take you up on your bet.

I do think UNC will have a team capable of playing for the national title, which means the final weekend.
While I have no clue about Duke’s potential, beyond knowing they will be talented, that’s actually a plus for me...you’re willing to gamble on an unknown/young team, and I don’t have to. So there’s that...

I applaud the confidence you have in your team, even tho you haven’t seen a majority of the players play in a college game. You deserve an opportunity to chose the pie of your choice should you win with that gamble.

Of course the tourney is a crapshoot no matter how good a team is, so a bet like this is always a gamble for both of us, but I’ve decided I like my odds.

Good luck!

**shakes on it**

Glad we could come to an agreement, Wheat.

[left_hook_lacey]

**shakes on it**

Glad we could come to an agreement, Wheat.

Hook, line, and sinker.

[Troublemaker]

Hook, line, and sinker.

Haha, I know what you're thinking here, but time will tell if Wheat or I am the fish. Who baited whom here? (Did I bait myself? And as you may know, Wheat is a real-life fisherman)

No, seriously, I think fewer than 50% of DBR posters would have proposed/accepted this bet. My read of the forum is that we are really down on OADs right now.

[left_hook_lacey]

Haha, I know what you're thinking here, but time will tell if Wheat or I am the fish. Who baited whom here? (Did I bait myself? And as you may know, Wheat is a real-life fisherman)

No, seriously, I think fewer than 50% of DBR posters would have proposed/accepted this bet. My read of the forum is that we are really down on OADs right now.



"What's it gonna take to get you in this pie bet today, Wheat?"

8399

But seriously, you both make good points. I just think this early, on paper, it wouldn't be the best bet by Wheat. But, if history serves us from the last few seasons, he could be Ok. I think it's about 60/40 in favor of Duke making a deeper run at this point. But, as previously stated, anything can happen during the season and especially in the tournament. Injury's, team chemistry issues, an unlikely contender gets hot, it's madness, madness I tell ya!

But you're right, I'm in the 50% that wouldn't take the bet this early, from either perspective. It's just too early to get a good feel, but that's what makes this bet fun I think. Two or three games into the exhibition season could tell us all we need to know about how the season should play out. I guess I'm just chicken.

I look forward to watching this bet unfold as the season plays out, when everyone starts to form an opinion on who looks more poised for a deep run. Who's going to look like the fisherman, and who will look like the worm? :cool:

[Wheat/"/"/"]

My whole point was I don’t like to bet on unknown’s...and for all the talent and pundits confidence, i’ve never seen the new Duke players play, much less together.

But then I realized, i’m not the one betting on a Duke team I don’t know anything about...Troublemaker is taking that gamble. It may be a good one, but it’s a gamble betting on an unseen team.

I am betting on UNC, and I have seen alot of the key UNC players play and enough of the new talent highlights, and considered the positional fit of the incoming freshmen, to feel good about this UNC teams chances to go deep.

And of course, UNC does have Roy, who knows how to get a team deep into the tourney, and how to use his versatile team to go big or small to deal with the changing matchups we see at the big dance.

Bottom line, UNC will have a team with size, balance, talent, depth, experience and one that can shoot as well as defend and rebound. There is no real weakness with this team that I can see, while Duke has great new talent, but lots of questions......so i’m all in on this one.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Pie bet #2 for me...

I’m betting that Grayson Allen is not selected in the first round of the 2018 NBA draft.

Mtn-Devil-91-92-01-10-15 is betting that Grayson will be selected in the first round.

Winner gets to chose their choice of pie from the online company upthread.

All good, right Mt. Devil?

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Pie bet #2 for me...

I’m betting that Grayson Allen is not selected in the first round of the 2018 NBA draft.

Mtn-Devil-91-92-01-10-15 is betting that Grayson will be selected in the first round.

Winner gets to chose their choice of pie from the online company upthread.

All good, right Mt. Devil?

I haven't checked the company, but sure. Terms seem legit.

Nice bet. Clear metrics, short terms, and I get to know all of DBR is rooting for me. :)

May the luckiest man win.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

I haven't checked the company, but sure. Terms seem legit.

Nice bet. Clear metrics, short terms, and I get to know all of DBR is rooting for me. :)

May the luckiest man win.

Yea, we’ll at least know the winner soon enough.

I’m not over confident on this one because that late first round is always about individual team needs and fit, and who knows what will happen once the draft board has that first surprise pick to shake things up?

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Yea, we’ll at least know the winner soon enough.

I’m not over confident on this one because that late first round is always about individual team needs and fit, and who knows what will happen once the draft board has that first surprise pick to shake things up?

Indeed. May the best blue win.

[UrinalCake]

I get to know all of DBR is rooting for me. :)

RichardJackson may not be rooting for you, because Grayson going in the first round means one less spot available for Duval and Trent, and therefore a better chance that I win our bet 8-)

A team drafting at the end of the first round is going to be looking for someone who can help off the bench immediately. There’s no sense in drafting a project who needs 2-3 years of development, because by the time they are ready to contribute their contract will be up. Grayson would be a great fit on any contending team.

[richardjackson199]

RichardJackson may not be rooting for you, because Grayson going in the first round means one less spot available for Duval and Trent, and therefore a better chance that I win our bet 8-)

A team drafting at the end of the first round is going to be looking for someone who can help off the bench immediately. There’s no sense in drafting a project who needs 2-3 years of development, because by the time they are ready to contribute their contract will be up. Grayson would be a great fit on any contending team.

I'll definitely be rooting for MountainDevil, Grayson, Duval, and Trent to all go first round. :cool:

I hope all our guys get contracts they like for teams they like in cities they like.

Of course UrinalCake is right regarding taking one first round spot away would lower my chances of winning. But my chances in that bet may not be so good anyway, so I'm def rooting for Grayson just as hard.

Should be a fun night for all - with 2 pies on the line!

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I'll definitely be rooting for MountainDevil, Grayson, Duval, and Trent to all go first round. :cool:

I hope all our guys get contracts they like for teams they like in cities they like.

Of course UrinalCake is right regarding taking one first round spot away would lower my chances of winning. But my chances in that bet may not be so good anyway, so I'm def rooting for Grayson just as hard.

Should be a fun night for all - with 2 pies on the line!

*high five*

Let's make this the proudest night in K's life!

*sarcasm*

[Wheat/"/"/"]

I haven't checked the company, but sure. Terms seem legit.

Nice bet. Clear metrics, short terms, and I get to know all of DBR is rooting for me. :)

May the luckiest man win.

PM me the shipping info...pie on the way for you!

[slower]

PM me the shipping info...pie on the way for you!

If you can send us your location, I'm sure we would all chip in to give YOU a pie...in the face. :p

[Wheat/"/"/"]

If you can send us your location, I'm sure we would all chip in to give YOU a pie...in the face. :p

I’m not hard to find...just make it chocolate cream pie please.

[CDu]

Time is running out on whomever said all four Duke freshmen would go 1st round. Only 7 picks left, with 2 guys to go. Unlikely both go in those 7. Probably not either guy will go in the first round.

[slower]

I’m not hard to find...just make it chocolate cream pie please.

You're okay, Wheat. No matter what they say. :p

[MartyClark]

Time is running out on whomever said all four Duke freshmen would go 1st round. Only 7 picks left, with 2 guys to go. Unlikely both go in those 7. Probably not either guy will go in the first round.

In a different time, even 7 or 8 years ago, Trent and Duval would have stayed another year at Duke. Best wishes to both of them - I'm not sure that either is NBA ready.

[CDu]

In a different time, even 7 or 8 years ago, Trent and Duval would have stayed another year at Duke. Best wishes to both of them - I'm not sure that either is NBA ready.

Yeah, Duval unfortunately reminds me a little of Marquis Teague: incredibly athletic, but can't shoot and doesn't have a great feel for the game. Like Teague, Duval had an up-and-down freshman year individually. Like Teague, went one and done. Hopefully Duval will stop the comparisons there.

With Trent, it's just an unfortunate situation where he's largely a below-the-rim, not overly quick player without great ballhandling/passing/court awareness. If he were 3 inches taller, he'd be a great option as a smallball 4 and combo forward. But he's probably just a bit too small to solidify a 1st round pick in that combo forward role, and not quick/springy enough to definitely play SG in the NBA. Those types of questions will often find you in the second round.

[CDu]

Now 28 picks in. Next pick will likely land somebody a pie.

I feel bad commenting on this. At least the "pick in favor of Duke" side won one pie tonight. But I'm pretty sure it's going to go against the Duke guys on the other bet.

[UrinalCake]

So I won the bet since Trent and Duval didn't make the first round. I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, as I of course want Duke guys to succeed. But I thought all along that those guys should have stayed another year. Certainly Trent, who could have improved his game and been a lottery pick in next year's weak draft. With Duval I understand his rational for leaving as he would be a pick based on potential given his physical attributes.

So happy for Grayson though, and not just because our UNC fan lost a pie. The guy has given everything to our program, people kept saying he made a mistake by not leaving after his sophomore year but he wound up going around the same place that he would have, yet he has a degree and is now better positioned to stick in the league.

[Furniture]

Personally I just can’t bet on a negative result for a Duke player. For those that did I hope your pie tastes like your nightmare food ( trying to be polite here).
In regards Wheat’s pie bet about Grayson I couldn’t take that either. If he didn’t get in the first round after taking the bet I would feel like I had jinxed him.
So pleased for Grayson tonight and hoping all the best for Gary and Trevon.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DukeMBB/status/1009995816386297858/photo/1

[richardjackson199]

So I won the bet since Trent and Duval didn't make the first round. I wouldn't say I'm happy about it, as I of course want Duke guys to succeed. But I thought all along that those guys should have stayed another year. Certainly Trent, who could have improved his game and been a lottery pick in next year's weak draft. With Duval I understand his rational for leaving as he would be a pick based on potential given his physical attributes.

So happy for Grayson though, and not just because our UNC fan lost a pie. The guy has given everything to our program, people kept saying he made a mistake by not leaving after his sophomore year but he wound up going around the same place that he would have, yet he has a degree and is now better positioned to stick in the league.

Congrats! Well deserved. Just PM me your address and which pie you want. I'll ship it out this weekend. :cool:

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

PM me the shipping info...pie on the way for you!

Thanks for owning it. Was settled earlier than I would have ever guessed.

Key lime is a favorite. Would love to compare to my own creation.

This will booster my pie bet enthusiasm, and I am sure to lose the next bet.

[BD80]

Thanks for owning it. Was settled earlier than I would have ever guessed.

Key lime is a favorite. Would love to compare to my own creation.

This will booster my pie bet enthusiasm, and I am sure to lose the next bet.

Warning! I believe Wheat has paid such bets with a key lime pie that is carolina blue.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Warning! I believe Wheat has paid such bets with a key lime pie that is carolina blue.

Free pie is free pie. :)

[Rich]

Warning! I believe Wheat has paid such bets with a key lime pie that is carolina blue.

All the more fun to destroy and devour!

[UrinalCake]

Many thanks to RichardJackson for making good on our friendly wager. My pie arrived today and it was delicious! My whole family enjoyed it, and my daughter even commented that I should start gambling more 8-).

[richardjackson199]

Many thanks to RichardJackson for making good on our friendly wager. My pie arrived today and it was delicious! My whole family enjoyed it, and my daughter even commented that I should start gambling more 8-).

Glad y'all enjoyed it! Your daughter is right - gambling responsibly is fun.

Keep this up, and you'll be ready for a UrinalPie Family Vegas Vacation. Just watch the Chevy Chase version first. :cool:

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

PM me the shipping info...pie on the way for you!

Pie landed today! Will be tasting it shortly.

Thanks, Wheat!

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Enjoy!

[richardjackson199]

Enjoy!

I'm bumping this thread to remind folks that losing a pie bet and shipping a pie is as easy as, well, pie. See website in Jason's first post of the thread if you want to play. :cool:

[richardjackson199]

Thanks 4Gen. ABC pie arrived today and it's scrumptious!

[4Gen]

So glad you're enjoying it. Buying pies for Dukies is actually a pleasure.

[4Gen]

Although, many years ago, my dad's friend said-- It is said it is more blessed to give than to receive, but second best is good enough for me. 😁

[JasonEvans]

This doesn't really belong here, but as a pie lover I just had to share this article. (https://thetakeout.com/difference-between-crisp-cobbler-crumble-galette-pie-1830768333)


What’s the difference between a crisp, cobbler, crumble, buckle, galette, and pandowdy?

Pie feels like the riskiest way to marry hot baked fruit and some form of sugared carb. Are you team butter or team shortening? Or do you combo? What if your chosen fat is too warm? Cut too big? What if your dough is too wet? Too dry and cracked? What if you didn’t deep-freeze every piece of equipment that touches the dough, including your own hands, for less than 12 hours in advance? Did you blind bake first? What do you mean you didn’t? What do you mean you don’t know what that means? IT’S NOT FLAKY WHERE ARE THE FLAKES THIS PIE IS AN ABOMINATION.

-Jason "cobbler is some goooood stuff" Evans

[Troublemaker]

Meant to post this a couple of days ago, but cato sent me an absolutely delicious Dutch Apple pie to settle an Off-Topic board bet we made.

Thanks, cato!

https://i.imgur.com/Wh2AsAS.jpg

[cato]

Meant to post this a couple of days ago, but cato sent me an absolutely delicious Dutch Apple pie to settle an Off-Topic board bet we made.

Thanks, cato!

https://i.imgur.com/Wh2AsAS.jpg

Excellent! Sharing pie turns out to be a nice way to settle a bet.

[kAzE]

Since this one won't be decided until the end of next season, here's My Pie Bet with Kaze:

Jack White plays more minutes next season - you win the pie. Joey Baker plays more minutes, I win the pie. (And if Joey Baker redshirts, well then I like your chances! The bet will stand.)

Good luck!

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Jack White won me this pie bet . . . but I'm glad the bet was just for minutes straight up . . . I predicted he'd be the 8th man, not the 4th leading minutes guy on the team . . .

[UrinalCake]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Jack White won me this pie bet . . . but I'm glad the bet was just for minutes straight up . . . I predicted he'd be the 8th man, not the 4th leading minutes guy on the team . . .

Ironic that a guy named Baker is responsible for you receiving a pie.

[kAzE]

Ironic that a guy named Baker is responsible for you receiving a pie.

Hopefully the pie doesn't have any Vegemite in it. I hear Jack is a big fan, but everyone else thinks it's just gross.

[richardjackson199]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Jack White won me this pie bet . . . but I'm glad the bet was just for minutes straight up . . . I predicted he'd be the 8th man, not the 4th leading minutes guy on the team . . .

Congrats and major props on being so right about Jack White. I could not be more thrilled that Jack is playing this well. My biggest concern about this team was lack of any experienced leadership. Jack is providing that in a way that exceeds what I would have thought possible for him. I saw 1 impressive performance from him last year against Notre Dame which I thought was basically an aberration. I thought Baker with his much higher RSCI rating than White may eventually earn more minutes. I didn't think we would bring in a fairly highly rated recruit who can shoot well to redshirt. Has a highly rated reclass ever redshirted anywhere? I literally could not have been more wrong.

Although you are greater than 99% to win this bet at this point, I'm not going to concede 10 games into the season in December. It's a long season and strange things can still happen. I hope White continues to play like he is and leads us to #6. We'll see what happens. In the meantime, you'll have a few months to peruse the list of pies.

Congrats for being so right on Jack White. You've been saying it for years, I didn't see it coming, and you were White-hot right.

[bedeviled]

I found this pie bet particularly intriguing, so I'm moving it here from scattered within the 12/20/18 Texas Tech post-game thread:

Troublemaker vs Steven43
Setup: Presently, Duke is not a good 3pt-shooting team. Given that we likely contract the rotation of current players as the season progresses, can that stat change? (link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1109983#post1109983))
Proposition: Our 3pt% is currently in the bottom third of Div I (ranked 238th). Troublemaker bets that Duke will finish in top third of Div I (link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1110002#post1110002))
Negotiation: None!
Final Terms: Duke must finish with 3pt% ranked 118th or above (out of 353 teams) per kenpom at the end of the season for Troublemaker to win the bet, otherwise Steven43 wins. ("End of season" refers to completion of the full 2018-2019 basketball season for all NCAA Div I teams unless terms are renegotiated (eg "regular season," "time at which Duke is eliminated")
Acceptance: It's on (link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1110046#post1110046), link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1110056#post1110056))

[richardjackson199]

I posted this pie bet offer in a different thread, but here it is if one taker wants it. If somebody is brave enough to call Duke by 4 or more tonight, I feel like you deserve to enjoy some tasty pie. Go Duke!
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _

Quote Originally Posted by Troublemaker View Post
That's a sharp comment, my friend. I can explain it.

From what I've seen, the public is on UVA and the under, which as you know, is not in opposition to each other. In the case of the under, there is no sharp resistance to the public so the books are moving the O/U number down in response to the public. However, In the case of the public taking UVA, there is tremendous sharp action on Duke, which is why the line climbed to 4.

So, it's not the same people creating the opposite movements."

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________________________________

I am the ultimate Joe Public I know. Thank God I don't live in Vegas, don't sports bet online (except pies), and don't lose any real money with my sports picking prowess.

But Duke -3.5 is just a ridiculous line for this game, Tre Jones or no Tre Jones or no 100% Tre Jones who probably couldn't fully practice with the team while rehabbing? UVA is a difficult matchup for us, great on the road, and they've shown that they are not a 3.5 point underdog to anybody this year anywhere the way they are playing.

Of course Duke could win impressively in Cameron, and I really hope they do, but I just think covering 3.5 points is a bad bet.

If a sharp wants a pie, I'll be your huckleberry (or blueberry, or cherry, or apple). Friendly wager opportunity for one sharp with cajones. I get UVA +3.5. You get Duke -3.5. For a pie. I'll be rooting for you to win the bet. An impressive win for Duke tonight would be so huge I'd rather ship a pie for that than win by 1 and win a pie. But I'd be ecstatic with any Duke win.

I just think the sharps are wrong on this and am willing to put my pie where my mouth is for Joe Public. Anybody wanna play?

[4Gen]

Richard,the last time I took Duke, and the only pie bet I ever made, I bought you a pie. So, I'll take your bet conditional on Tre entering the game (for one second or more) in the first half. Otherwise, no bet? Wanna play?

[richardjackson199]

Richard,the last time I took Duke, and the only pie bet I ever made, I bought you a pie. So, I'll take your bet conditional on Tre entering the game (for one second or more) in the first half. Otherwise, no bet? Wanna play?

Sorry I just saw your post. This would have been a bad beat. Just glad we got the win! Go Duke!! Now work on those Free Throws!

(obviously no bet as Tre didn't even play. I would have def taken you up on it just to play for fun. I heard Coach K on the radio say before game Tre would not play this game and he couldn't say when he would be back.)

[Troublemaker]

I found this pie bet particularly intriguing, so I'm moving it here from scattered within the 12/20/18 Texas Tech post-game thread:

Troublemaker vs Steven43
Setup: Presently, Duke is not a good 3pt-shooting team. Given that we likely contract the rotation of current players as the season progresses, can that stat change? (link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1109983#post1109983))
Proposition: Our 3pt% is currently in the bottom third of Div I (ranked 238th). Troublemaker bets that Duke will finish in top third of Div I (link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1110002#post1110002))
Negotiation: None!
Final Terms: Duke must finish with 3pt% ranked 118th or above (out of 353 teams) per kenpom at the end of the season for Troublemaker to win the bet, otherwise Steven43 wins. ("End of season" refers to completion of the full 2018-2019 basketball season for all NCAA Div I teams unless terms are renegotiated (eg "regular season," "time at which Duke is eliminated")
Acceptance: It's on (link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1110046#post1110046), link (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?42866-MBB-Duke-69-Texas-Tech-58-Post-Game-Thread&p=1110056#post1110056))

I've lost this one. Congrats, Steven -- I don't lose many. (Now, with that said, we'll still play out the string just in case a miracle happens. But I concede that Duke is a much worse shooting team than I believed, and you're almost certain to win pie).

[richardjackson199]

Congrats and major props on being so right about Jack White. I could not be more thrilled that Jack is playing this well. My biggest concern about this team was lack of any experienced leadership. Jack is providing that in a way that exceeds what I would have thought possible for him. I saw 1 impressive performance from him last year against Notre Dame which I thought was basically an aberration. I thought Baker with his much higher RSCI rating than White may eventually earn more minutes. I didn't think we would bring in a fairly highly rated recruit who can shoot well to redshirt. Has a highly rated reclass ever redshirted anywhere? I literally could not have been more wrong.

...

Congrats for being so right on Jack White. You've been saying it for years, I didn't see it coming, and you were White-hot right.

Ditto what I said above. Congrats again Kaze on calling Jack White to be so productive with minutes and contributions this year. I'm conceding the pie bet. You won and well deserved. Joey Baker isn't going to play at all this year, but it wouldn't matter if he had.

Just PM me your address and let me know which pie you'd like from the website in the first post of this thread.

[ChillinDuke]

Ditto what I said above. Congrats again Kaze on calling Jack White to be so productive with minutes and contributions this year. I'm conceding the pie bet. You won and well deserved. Joey Baker isn't going to play at all this year, but it wouldn't matter if he had.

Just PM me your address and let me know which pie you'd like from the website in the first post of this thread.

Thanks!!! I'll take the...

Oh, wait, sorry, I still have to wait for our bet...

:-)

- Chillin

[richardjackson199]

Thanks!!! I'll take the...

Oh, wait, sorry, I still have to wait for our bet...

:-)

- Chillin

Yep Kaze's pie is in the oven. Your pie is still chillin. But it's probable it will be ready soonish, like our man Tre. :cool:

[ChillinDuke]

The sooner the better, in both cases.

- Chillin

[richardjackson199]

Pie Bet Opportunity to One Taker:

I don't mind betting against Duke in a pie bet because it's a win-win hedge. If Duke wins it all for #6, I'd be ecstatic and gladly ship you a pie to help celebrate. And there is zero temptation for me to root against Duke even in the slightest, even if I have a pie riding on it.

I love the idea of picking 2 teams to go far in the NCAA Tourney. As has been said, it's pretty tough to pick just 1 team to win it all against the field. But if I take 2 teams and you take 2 teams, there is a better than decent chance that one of us will pick the winner. So it's like a horse race - we each get 2 horses, but your horse has to win the whole race to win the pie.

And it's a purely friendly pie wager for fun. No snark intended and no I-told-you-so intent.

So I'll give you Duke as one of your 2 teams. I'm confident in assuming you'd take Duke. Duke is currently Vegas favorite on Futures to win it all at 2-1, signficantly higher than any other team. (Next highest is Gonzaga at 6-1)
So if you get Duke, I get UVA and the next choice. So I'll take UVA and Gonzaga. I went to UVA for fellowship and love what Tony Bennett has done with this program and team. I wouldn't mind seeing them or Mark Few win it all IF Duke doesn't win. So those would be fun teams for me to root for against the non-Duke field.

And then you get to pick one more team along with Duke. You can take Duke and Michigan, Duke and Tenn, or whoever you want.

So if UVA OR Gonzaga win the national title, I win the pie.
If Duke OR your other team win the title, you win the pie.
If a different team wins the title, it's a push and nobody wins the pie.
If UK or the Cheats win the title it's like the roulette wheel coming up Green Zero and everybody loses. We all burn a pie in effigy.

And I realize this isn't the brightest bet using Vegas future odds as it puts me as an underdog to give you Duke + another team like Michigan or Tenn or whoever you want. But I don't care because I have 3 ways to win - if Duke wins, you get a pie and trust me I win too. I just think it will make the tourney more fun.

Who wants to play? :cool:

[richardjackson199]

Pie Bet Opportunity for One Player:
You Get Duke -17.5.
I get St John's +17.5

Anybody wanna play?

I think that line is too many points.

I'll be rooting for you to win the bet. Or at least for a 17 point Duke win. Go Duke!

:cool:

[ChillinDuke]

Rich - you feeling the heat and just tilting on pie bets?

:-)

- Chillin

[richardjackson199]

Rich - you feeling the heat and just tilting on pie bets?

:-)

- Chillin

I'm trying. Nobody wants to play. ;)

[Indoor66]

I'm trying. Nobody wants to play. ;)

Too many calories for us old guys, in the bet.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Pie Bet Opportunity for One Player:
You Get Duke -17.5.
I get St John's +17.5

Anybody wanna play?

I think that line is too many points.

I'll be rooting for you to win the bet. Or at least for a 17 point Duke win. Go Duke!

:cool:

Proof is in the pudding.

[richardjackson199]

Proof is in the pudding.

Nope. Sorry. Nobody took the bet so nobody gets to talk trash in this thread. :p

17.5 points was a lot of points. Easy to say we covered by a mile after the fact. Glad we did. Enjoying this win and my pudding too. :cool:

[Indoor66]

Proof is in the pudding.

Actually, in the filling.

[richardjackson199]

Actually, in the filling.

;) Mmmm, I really want to try that cherry ganache

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Nope. Sorry. Nobody took the bet so nobody gets to talk trash in this thread. :p

17.5 points was a lot of points. Easy to say we covered by a mile after the fact. Glad we did. Enjoying this win and my pudding too. :cool:

I was just enjoying the win and the sweet pun.

[richardjackson199]

I was just enjoying the win and the sweet pun.

Me too. I just watched the game again. Sweet as a sweet bun.

Zion is the mountain. And you are the Mountain of DBR brother. :cool:

But neither of us is the clairvoyant moonpie. ;)

[Troublemaker]

One more for posterity, haha. The bet is regarding Matthew Hurt and Isaiah Stewart of the high school class of 2019.



I'll bet you that Hurt gets drafted at least 4 spots ahead of Stewart in the 2020 draft. So if, for example, Stewart goes #5, Hurt would have to go #1 or you win a pie. Also, in the edge case where Hurt returns to school for a sophomore year and Stewart gets drafted at all (even second round), you win a pie. (Obviously for that edge case, flip the names and I win a pie). If both return to school for their sophomore years, the bet is off. Deal?



I'm in. Pie bet accepted!

This is only my 2nd pie bet ever . . . does this need to be posted in a pie-specific thread, or is this post official enough?


**shakes on it**

The bet is official, but it's also a good idea to post it to the pie thread so (a) we can easily find and reference it, and (b) historical record-keeping can be fun.

I'll go ahead and do it.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Was satisfying my pie bet Wheat's last official act on this board?

[JNort]

Native and I have a pie bet that started at the 14:30 mark of the 2nd half of the VT game from inside the game chat. If White makes 1 of his next 2 three point attempts he wins, if not then I win.

It's a push if he attempts 0 or 1 and doesn't make it.

[Native]

Native and I have a pie bet that started at the 14:30 mark of the 2nd half of the VT game from inside the game chat. If White makes 1 of his next 2 three point attempts he wins, if not then I win.

It's a push if he attempts 0 or 1 and doesn't make it.

Push it real good!

Call me crazy, but how much of a momentum swing would Jack making a three have been? I just feel like, on a cosmic level, the only way we could have pulled that game out was if Jack made it rain. Oh, well.

[left_hook_lacey]

Since the pie bet thread has resurfaced, I'd like to rekindle a thought from another thread.

Last year, I bet Richard "loser" Jackson that Virgina wouldn't make it to the elite 8. I'm looking to make that bet again with any takers.

Actually, it might have been to the final four, I cant remember.

[richardjackson199]

Since the pie bet thread has resurfaced, I'd like to rekindle a thought from another thread.

Last year, I bet Richard "loser" Jackson that Virgina wouldn't make it to the elite 8. I'm looking to make that bet again with any takers.

Actually, it might have been to the final four, I cant remember.

You're on. I'll take the pie bet.

And winning pies is overrated. I'm building an impressive losing streak resume to apply as a Cooler in Vegas casinos. Richard "Loser" Jackson :cool:

UVA makes Elite 8 - I win the pie. UVA does not make the Elite 8 - you win the pie.

Shakes on it.

[left_hook_lacey]

You're on. I'll take the pie bet.

And winning pies is overrated. I'm building an impressive losing streak resume to apply as a Cooler in Vegas casinos. Richard "Loser" Jackson :cool:

UVA makes Elite 8 - I win the pie. UVA does not make the Elite 8 - you win the pie.

Shakes on it.

🤜🤛. Done deal.

[richardjackson199]

🤜🤛. Done deal.

My apologies to the Wahoos on the board. Your season might be in trouble.

But I don't think so. Hoos are due for a good tourney and I'm due for a pie.

[Green Wave Dukie]

My apologies to the Wahoos on the board. Your season might be in trouble.

But I don't think so. Hoos are due for a good tourney and I'm due for a pie.


Left Hook - if you want to double your pies, I’d like to get in on this, too. Unless that violates the DBR guidelines in pie betting.

[left_hook_lacey]

Left Hook - if you want to double your pies, I’d like to get in on this, too. Unless that violates the DBR guidelines in pie betting.

I'm good with that. I don't have my trusty pocket manual to pie-betting on DBR, but assuming it's within the rules, I'm down.

What have I done? If my kids come home and see two delicious pies on the counter, they might stage a coup to overthrow my wife and I on the count of our house rules about dessert. :)

[UrinalCake]

Since the Baker/White minutes bet is over, I think a fun bet would be who makes more threes between now and the end of the season.

[CDu]

Since the Baker/White minutes bet is over, I think a fun bet would be who makes more threes between now and the end of the season.

That one would surely be interesting. I don't bet, but I'd tend to lean towards White. Simply on volume of attempts. He's likely to get substantially more minutes than Baker the rest of the way, and will continue to get looks.

I think an interesting over/under would be made 3s this season for Baker: 1.5?

[JasonEvans]

I think an interesting over/under would be made 3s this season for Baker: 1.5?

And what would be the O/U on threes by Jack? I think 1.5 might be the number there too.

-Jason "sadly, I would probably take the under on both of those" Evans

[CDu]

And what would be the O/U on threes by Jack? I think 1.5 might be the number there too.

-Jason "sadly, I would probably take the under on both of those" Evans

At ~20 mpg and ~3 attempts per game, and with at minimum 5 games left and likely at least 7 games left, I'd put White's over/under at more like 3.5 or 4.5. And that's accounting for his woeful slump. If we went by season average, it'd be more like 6.5.

Basically, I would venture that White is going to attempt close to 15-20 more 3s than Baker the rest of the way. So even if White continues to stink, I'd be hard-pressed to think Baker would have a similar over/under.

[kAzE]

And what would be the O/U on threes by Jack? I think 1.5 might be the number there too.

-Jason "sadly, I would probably take the under on both of those" Evans

Really?? For the whole rest of the season? If Jack plays the amount of minutes he played against Va Tech in the next 2 games, I think I'd take the over.

Jack's shooting slump is pretty implausible statistically, even if he was a career 20% 3 point shooter, one of them should have just bounced in inadvertently by this point. He's literally shooting WIDE OPEN practice gym shots, and the fact that he's still given the green light to shoot them means he must be hitting a few in practice.

I'm not betting a pie, but I'm calling it: Jack and Joey combined will hit over 1.5 3 point shots in the Wake Forest and Miami games.

COME ON JACK!!

[CDu]

Really?? For the whole rest of the season? If Jack plays the amount of minutes he played against Va Tech in the next 2 games, I think I'd take the over.

Jack's shooting slump is pretty implausible statistically, even if he was a career 20% 3 point shooter, one of them should have just bounced in inadvertently by this point. He's literally shooting WIDE OPEN practice gym shots, and the fact that he's still given the green light to shoot them means he must be hitting a few in practice.

I'm not betting a pie, but I'm calling it: Jack and Joey combined will hit over 1.5 3 point shots in the Wake Forest and Miami games.

COME ON JACK!!

As someone who generally loathes monetary betting (I am too miserly for it :)), I feel like there could be a lot more nonmonetary bets made on DBR. Especially given y’all’s gambling spirit. This post is a great example of such an opportunity: kAzE has laid down a reasonably entertaining premise, but not one he feels is worthy of monetary risk. Is anyone on the other side willing to make no monetary wager against him? :)

[kAzE]

As someone who generally loathes monetary betting (I am too miserly for it :)), I feel like there could be a lot more nonmonetary bets made on DBR. Especially given y’all’s gambling spirit. This post is a great example of such an opportunity: kAzE has laid down a reasonably entertaining premise, but not one he feels is worthy of monetary risk. Is anyone on the other side willing to make no monetary wager against him? :)

Maybe I should have bet some pies. Only took 1 game :)

[CDu]

Maybe I should have bet some pies. Only took 1 game :)

I tried to get you at least some nonmonetary action. Nobody was willing to risk their avatar I guess.

Glad to see White making shots again!

[richardjackson199]

I'll take Duke + 3 Points.

You get UNC -3.

You will not be judged for betting on the cheats. It's just hedging your emotions and taking what you consider to be the smart money bet.

Bet only goes to first taker.

Zion listed as doubtful. I think he won't play. I think Duke wins, but if I'm betting a pie I'm taking the 3 points.

Anybody wanna play? :cool:

Go Duke!

[richardjackson199]

I'll take Duke + 3 Points.

You get UNC -3.

You will not be judged for betting on the cheats. It's just hedging your emotions and taking what you consider to be the smart money bet.

Bet only goes to first taker.

Zion listed as doubtful. I think he won't play. I think Duke wins, but if I'm betting a pie I'm taking the 3 points.

Anybody wanna play? :cool:

Go Duke!

This friendly wager offer still stands. But the line has moved so the bet terms move with the Vegas Consensus line until someone locks it in.

You get UNC -4.
I get Duke + 4 points.

For a pie.

Could be win-win for you. Duke wins you're happy. Very close game that we lose is a bummer, but still a huge step up from dismal performance vs Wake. (That is debatable since we won that game. But I'd argue that a very close loss vs a top 3 team on their home floor without Zion would be more satisfying than a 1 point win in Cameron over this Danny Manning Wake team.) Or if UNCheat wins big, at least you get a pie which arrives in time for the ACC tourney. Celebrate Zion's return with some pie.

Who wants to play? I still say Duke wins or at least keeps it very close. :cool:

[jv001]

This friendly wager offer still stands. But the line has moved so the bet terms move with the Vegas Consensus line until someone locks it in.

You get UNC -4.
I get Duke + 4 points.

For a pie.

Could be win-win for you. Duke wins you're happy. Very close game that we lose is a bummer, but still a huge step up from dismal performance vs Wake. (That is debatable since we won that game. But I'd argue that a very close loss vs a top 3 team on their home floor without Zion would be more satisfying than a 1 point win in Cameron over this Danny Manning Wake team.) Or if UNCheat wins big, at least you get a pie which arrives in time for the ACC tourney. Celebrate Zion's return with some pie.

Who wants to play? I still say Duke wins or at least keeps it very close. :cool:

Richard, do you have a deal with one of the pie companies here in Winston Salem? :cool: I'm not just hoping we beat the cheats, I'm praying we beat the cheats. Daylight savings time and the Church tomorrow with all that ugly blue will be unbearable. GoDuke beat the CHEATS!

[richardjackson199]

Richard, do you have a deal with one of the pie companies here in Winston Salem? :cool: I'm not just hoping we beat the cheats, I'm praying we beat the cheats. Daylight savings time and the Church tomorrow with all that ugly blue will be unbearable. GoDuke beat the CHEATS!

Haha I should look into that. I use that grand traverse pie compnay in Michigan (from first post in this thread) because their online ordering is so easy when I lose. That happens occasionally. :rolleyes: But Moravian sugar cake or something from those yummy Winston pie companies would probably get me more action.

I'm able to watch my church service online. That comes in handy during times like spring forward and avoiding the undesirables. I just think betting pies is fun. I've only shipped one in 2019 so far, so my wife hasn't cut me off yet (like JasonEvans)! :cool:

[Tripping William]

Haha I should look into that. I use that grand traverse pie compnay in Michigan (from first post in this thread) because their online ordering is so easy when I lose. That happens occasionally. :rolleyes: But Moravian sugar cake or something from those yummy Winston pie companies would probably get me more action.

I'm able to watch my church service online. That comes in handy during times like spring forward and avoiding the undesirables. I just think betting pies is fun. I've only shipped one in 2019 so far, so my wife hasn't cut me off yet (like JasonEvans)! :cool:

Dewey’s

[richardjackson199]

Dewey’s

Agreed. Dewey's has been around forever and are still the best IMO. Old Salem Winkler Bakery is great, but I'm not usually in that area near downtown. And Dewey's ships online. :D

[jv001]

Agreed. Dewey's has been around forever and are still the best IMO. Old Salem Winkler Bakery is great, but I'm not usually in that area near downtown.

Dewey's is very good. Never tried Old Salem. Don't have one locally down here in the Wallburg area. GoDuke!

[Tripping William]

Dewey's is very good. Never tried Old Salem. Don't have one locally down here in the Wallburg area. GoDuke!

You could always Get It To Go. :o

[richardjackson199]

Line now 4.5 points immediately with Zion status change from doubtful to Out.

[devildeac]

Hoping y'all/youze guyz/y'ins (my multilingual gift shining through :rolleyes::o) know what tomorrow is...

[left_hook_lacey]

Hoping y'all/youze guyz/y'ins (my multilingual gift shining through :rolleyes::o) know what tomorrow is...

Z-day? Or is that Friday technically?

[devildeac]

Z-day? Or is that Friday technically?

On 3/14, we celebrate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day

[devildeac]

It's today.

9159

Hungry yet?

:o;)

[left_hook_lacey]

It's today.

9159

Hungry yet?

:o;)

I am. I can sense UVA gearing up for their annual NCAA collapse, and I can smell my annual UVA pie from Richard Jackson now. 😂

Happy pi day!!

[Green Wave Dukie]

I am. I can sense UVA gearing up for their annual NCAA collapse, and I can smell my annual UVA pie from Richard Jackson now. 😂

Happy pi day!!

Ha, just remember lefty, if you get one from Richard, you're getting one from me, too.

[left_hook_lacey]

Ha, just remember lefty, if you get one from Richard, you're getting one from me, too.

Holy moley! I forgot!! It's a pi day miracle!

Thanks for keeping my slightly aging, beer-hoppy brain up to date. 😊

[devildeac]

Ha, just remember lefty, if you get one from Richard, you're getting one from me, too.


Holy moley! I forgot!! It's a pi day miracle!

Thanks for keeping my slightly aging, beer-hoppy brain up to date. 😊

Tweet! Not allowed until 6/28, which is Two Pi Day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day

"Two Pi Day, also known as Tau Day, is lightly observed on June 28 (6/28 in the month/day format).

[left_hook_lacey]

Tweet! Not allowed until 6/28, which is Two Pi Day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Day

"Two Pi Day, also known as Tau Day, is lightly observed on June 28 (6/28 in the month/day format).

Wow that's weird! My birthday is June 28th. It's meant to be, UVA is going down. Crank up those ovens boys!

[Green Wave Dukie]

🤜🤛. Done deal.


You're on. I'll take the pie bet.

And winning pies is overrated. I'm building an impressive losing streak resume to apply as a Cooler in Vegas casinos. Richard "Loser" Jackson :cool:

UVA makes Elite 8 - I win the pie. UVA does not make the Elite 8 - you win the pie.

Shakes on it.


Left Hook - if you want to double your pies, I’d like to get in on this, too. Unless that violates the DBR guidelines in pie betting.


I'm good with that. I don't have my trusty pocket manual to pie-betting on DBR, but assuming it's within the rules, I'm down.

What have I done? If my kids come home and see two delicious pies on the counter, they might stage a coup to overthrow my wife and I on the count of our house rules about dessert. :)


Bumping this thread back up to the top. For no apparent reason. (oh, brother!)

[richardjackson199]

Bumping this thread back up to the top. For no apparent reason. (oh, brother!)

Nah we're good. UVA wins this game in a blowout. They're going to come out after halftime, shut Gardner Webb down, and just overwhelm them with wanting it more. No way Kyle Guy lets this happen again.

I'll take the Dark-Chocolate Cherry Ganache Left-Hook-Lacy. :p

[Green Wave Dukie]

Nah we're good. UVA wins this game in a blowout. They're going to come out after halftime, shut Gardner Webb down, and just overwhelm them with wanting it more. No way Kyle Guy lets this happen again.

I'll take the Dark-Chocolate Cherry Ganache Left-Hook-Lacy. :p

Ha. I'm already researching the place I/you/we/me/us order the pies!!!

[richardjackson199]

Ha. I'm already researching the place I/you/we/me/us order the pies!!!

Cherry Ganache.

Richard "Winner Winner Pie for Dinner" Jackson

:D

[Green Wave Dukie]

Cherry Ganache.

Richard "Winner Winner Pie for Dinner" Jackson

:D

Winner winner. Pie for dinner.

As a reminder, I was siding with you on this pie wager, both of us against Left Hook Lacey.

When I posted the above that you quoted, I was just experiencing some doubts there back in the first half of UVA’s first round game.

[richardjackson199]

Winner winner. Pie for dinner.

As a reminder, I was siding with you on this pie wager, both of us against Left Hook Lacey.

When I posted the above that you quoted, I was just experiencing some doubts there back in the first half of UVA’s first round game.

Congrats on our win!

My bad - I didn't mean to reply to your post, just the thread.

Ah yes, I shipped Left Hook a pie last year losing this same bet. I would say revenge never tasted so sweet. But revenge will taste much sweeter Fri. night when our Dukies take down the Hokies.

Close game Left Hook, but we'll take it! These Wahoos are clutch! ;)

[left_hook_lacey]

I knew I should've made the bet to get to the final 4 this year. They are a tad less choky than in the past. A tad. Really thought they were going to blow their wad against gardner-webb. On well, congrats on the win. Check back with me next year, I'm sure if they have another good season I'll be willing to make the bet again.

You guys PM me your address, pie of choice, and if you have a preferred broker of fine baked goods. 😀

[Troublemaker]

Wheat owes me pie.

Full disclosure: I lost a separate, private bet with Wheat on another matter, so this pie will only get me back to even for this season. I am up lifetime on Wheat, though :-)




Here's my first proposal. A very simple bet: Duke advances further in the NCAA tournament - I win pie. UNC advances further - you win pie. If both schools are eliminated in the same round, it's a wash and no pie gets conveyed.

An NCAA tourney bet should tickle your fancy, since your team is coached by Roy "2 title games in 3 years" Williams while Duke has suffered through some tournament disappointments recently. Surely a Duke team that projects to start 4 freshmen won't be making any deep tournament runs.



You shouldn't take the bet even if it's just a LITTLE one-sided, Wheat. You should take the bet only if you think it favors you.

I'm just surprised, is all. My impression is that the average UNC fan thinks UNC will be better than Duke next season and that you would be part of that group.

You had mentioned before that Duke is top-3 in the preseason polls. That's true but
(A) UNC is generally top-8 in those same polls, and
(B) When have these preseason polls really meant anything? My impression is that UNC fans believe Duke is totally overrated again in those polls due to our "5-star prospects" (finger quotes) that have never played a college game while UNC's experience is getting short shrift. UNC fans typically think the two teams' rankings should be reversed. At least. Plus, the world has no idea yet about Coby White, who is currently lighting up the USA U18 trials (https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/what-i-liked-corey-evans-from-usa-basketball-u18-trials), and that is causing UNC to be further underranked.

I'm just surprised, is all. I'm not even choosing a measuring stick that would be favorable to Duke like the ACC tournament. I'm talking about the NCAA tourney and making a bet on which team goes further. The Big Dance is Roy's bread and butter! Roy always has his teams playing well by March, and Duke flames out consistently in the tournament, probably due to Coach K's short rotation which limits Duke's upside, unlike Roy's; Duke starts seasons out like gangbusters but then stops improving by January.

I'm just surprised, really.


OK...I’ve been chewin’ on it and decided to take you up on your bet.

I do think UNC will have a team capable of playing for the national title, which means the final weekend.
While I have no clue about Duke’s potential, beyond knowing they will be talented, that’s actually a plus for me...you’re willing to gamble on an unknown/young team, and I don’t have to. So there’s that...

I applaud the confidence you have in your team, even tho you haven’t seen a majority of the players play in a college game. You deserve an opportunity to chose the pie of your choice should you win with that gamble.

Of course the tourney is a crapshoot no matter how good a team is, so a bet like this is always a gamble for both of us, but I’ve decided I like my odds.

Good luck!


**shakes on it**

Glad we could come to an agreement, Wheat.


Hook, line, and sinker.


Haha, I know what you're thinking here, but time will tell if Wheat or I am the fish. Who baited whom here? (Did I bait myself? And as you may know, Wheat is a real-life fisherman)

No, seriously, I think fewer than 50% of DBR posters would have proposed/accepted this bet. My read of the forum is that we are really down on OADs right now.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Wheat owes me pie.

Full disclosure: I lost a separate, private bet with Wheat on another matter, so this pie will only get me back to even for this season. I am up lifetime on Wheat, though :-)

Pie on they way soon...pm the choice, you know the drill.
Wheat/“/“/“

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Pie on they way soon...pm the choice, you know the drill.
Wheat/“/“/“

Hello there, stranger. Sporks for showing up today of all days. If you have a take on last night's game beyond mine (Auburn shot the danged lights out for the second game in a row and banged the boards enough to keep UNC out of transition) I would be interested either on a thread or in a PM.

Oh, and Wheat makes good on his pie bets. I can confirm.

[bedeviled]

There was a pie bet made in-chat during, I think, the NDSU game. The two parties should add it to this thread before one party forgets about it, causing friction...especially because I seem to recall it being a multi-year wager (?might have been re: AOC being an All-American before graduation?).

While I'm here, I'll consolidate this wager from the Duke vs VT in-game thread:
Contestants: Jeffrey vs Troublemaker
Terms: If Duke advances further, Jeffrey wins a pie. If UVA advances further, Troublemaker wins a pie. In the case of a tie, no pie transfers.
Proposal (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147119#post1147119), Party 2 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147124#post1147124), Party 1 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147133#post1147133)

[devildeac]

There was a pie bet made in-chat during, I think, the NDSU game. The two parties should add it to this thread before one party forgets about it, causing friction...especially because I seem to recall it being a multi-year wager (?might have been re: AOC being an All-American before graduation?).

While I'm here, I'll consolidate this wager from the Duke vs VT in-game thread:
Contestants: Jeffrey vs Troublemaker
Terms: If Duke advances further, Jeffrey wins a pie. If UVA advances further, Troublemaker wins a pie. In the case of a tie, no pie transfers.
Proposal (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147119#post1147119), Party 2 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147124#post1147124), Party 1 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147133#post1147133)

I *think* the AOC reference/bet was some level of all-acc recognition/team and not All-American, because, if it was AA, then I'd have been on that bet (despite my age and waistline:o), as many others likely would be, too.

[richardjackson199]

There was a pie bet made in-chat during, I think, the NDSU game. The two parties should add it to this thread before one party forgets about it, causing friction...especially because I seem to recall it being a multi-year wager (?might have been re: AOC being an All-American before graduation?).

While I'm here, I'll consolidate this wager from the Duke vs VT in-game thread:
Contestants: Jeffrey vs Troublemaker
Terms: If Duke advances further, Jeffrey wins a pie. If UVA advances further, Troublemaker wins a pie. In the case of a tie, no pie transfers.
Proposal (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147119#post1147119), Party 2 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147124#post1147124), Party 1 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147133#post1147133)

Interesting bet. Duke's Futures odds to win it all have actually decreased from just before the Tourney started despite now making the Elite 8. When the field was set Duke was about 2/1. Duke is now close to 3/1. UVA is 3/1. Duke is still slightly higher at 14/5. MSU is fourth after Gonzaga.

I'm guessing our odds decreased due to tough road to Final with chalk in our path and our injuries.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/futures/

So Duke has a tough road potentially facing MSU and then Gonazaga to reach the title game. It's a fair and interesting bet. Go Duke and Go Jeffrey! (or Anybody but UK if we don't win).

[CDu]

Interesting bet. Duke's Futures odds to win it all have actually decreased from just before the Tourney started despite now making the Elite 8. When the field was set Duke was about 2/1. Duke is now close to 3/1. UVA is 3/1. Duke is still slightly higher at 14/5. MSU is fourth after Gonzaga.

I'm guessing our odds decreased due to tough road to Final with chalk in our path and our injuries.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/futures/

So Duke has a tough road potentially facing MSU and then Gonazaga to reach the title game. It's a fair and interesting bet. Go Duke and Go Jeffrey! (or Anybody but UK if we don't win).

Gonzaga is out, improving Duke’s odds.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Gonzaga is out, improving Duke’s odds.

And seriously diminishing Gonzaga's odds.

[Troublemaker]

There was a pie bet made in-chat during, I think, the NDSU game. The two parties should add it to this thread before one party forgets about it, causing friction...especially because I seem to recall it being a multi-year wager (?might have been re: AOC being an All-American before graduation?).

While I'm here, I'll consolidate this wager from the Duke vs VT in-game thread:
Contestants: Jeffrey vs Troublemaker
Terms: If Duke advances further, Jeffrey wins a pie. If UVA advances further, Troublemaker wins a pie. In the case of a tie, no pie transfers.
Proposal (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147119#post1147119), Party 2 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147124#post1147124), Party 1 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147133#post1147133)

Jeffrey, you owe me pie.



I've lost this one. Congrats, Steven -- I don't lose many. (Now, with that said, we'll still play out the string just in case a miracle happens. But I concede that Duke is a much worse shooting team than I believed, and you're almost certain to win pie).

Steven43, I owe you pie.

[kAzE]

Okay, if you're so certain, I'll pie bet you: Tre Jones will be a back for a sophomore year at Duke.


I will bet you three pies for your one.


Alright, if you say so. If Tre Jones returns to Duke for a 2nd year, you owe me 3 pies. If he goes pro, I'll owe you 1 pie.

For the record.

[Steven43]

Steven43, I owe you pie.
Yeah, I was just thinking about that. I knew we had a bet, but I couid not recall exactly what were the terms. I should have written it down, darn it.

[left_hook_lacey]

I mailed Richard "Pie in the Sky" Jackson a pie today. That's one down. Still waiting on a pie flavor request from Greenwave to put that pie in the oven.

[JetpackJesus]

There was a pie bet made in-chat during, I think, the NDSU game. The two parties should add it to this thread before one party forgets about it, causing friction...especially because I seem to recall it being a multi-year wager (?might have been re: AOC being an All-American before graduation?).

While I'm here, I'll consolidate this wager from the Duke vs VT in-game thread:
Contestants: Jeffrey vs Troublemaker
Terms: If Duke advances further, Jeffrey wins a pie. If UVA advances further, Troublemaker wins a pie. In the case of a tie, no pie transfers.
Proposal (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147119#post1147119), Party 2 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147124#post1147124), Party 1 Acceptance (https://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?43534-MBB-Duke-vs-Va-Tech-(3-29-9-39pm-CBS)-Pre-game-and-In-game-Thread&p=1147133#post1147133)
It was All ACC honors for AOC before he leaves. What wasn't settled (at least that I saw in chat) was whether 1st/2nd/3rd team and honorable mention all qualify as making All-ACC. I can't remember who the parties were, though.

[JasonEvans]

It was All ACC honors for AOC before he leaves. What wasn't settled (at least that I saw in chat) was whether 1st/2nd/3rd team and honorable mention all qualify as making All-ACC. I can't remember who the parties were, though.

I'm not a party to this wager, but I would see 1st, 2nd, or 3rd as making All-ACC. Honorable mention is falling short.

[CDu]

I'm not a party to this wager, but I would see 1st, 2nd, or 3rd as making All-ACC. Honorable mention is falling short.

I agree.

[richardjackson199]

Chillin,
I'm already tasting that Sutton's Bay Blueberry. I'll win this bet just in time for summer. Win-win with another year of Tre.

Richard "Pie in the Sky" Jackson :cool:

[richardjackson199]

Thanks Chillin!

I will take that Sutton's Bay Blueberry pie.

:cool:

[ChillinDuke]

Thanks Chillin!

I will take that Sutton's Bay Blueberry pie.

:cool:

Well let's get the official word first, but all signs are pointing to a return!

PM me your address.

May have to buy myself a pie too for the occasion!

- Chillin

[JNort]

It was All ACC honors for AOC before he leaves. What wasn't settled (at least that I saw in chat) was whether 1st/2nd/3rd team and honorable mention all qualify as making All-ACC. I can't remember who the parties were, though.

One of those was me, I forgot who the other person was though. It was AOC for any All-ACC team (1st/2nd/3rd team, POTY, or defensive POTY).

[devildeac]

Amen to more Tre Jones. Let Hampton decide as he will.

And, if Tre stays, will you take all interested parties on a tour of the Red Oak brewery/biergarten this fall?

;)

[HereBeforeCoachK]

And, if Tre stays, will you take all interested parties on a tour of the Red Oak brewery/biergarten this fall?

;)

Dude I'm IN!!!

[mattman91]

And, if Tre stays, will you take all interested parties on a tour of the Red Oak brewery/biergarten this fall?

;)

Can we make this after May 1st and before May 18th?

[devildeac]

Can we make this after May 1st and before May 18th?

I'm in this spring, summer or fall. We'll let killerleft arrange the time/date. :cool:

[killerleft]

And, if Tre stays, will you take all interested parties on a tour of the Red Oak brewery/biergarten this fall?

;)

I've not been on the tour, but I can show anybody how to bend an elbow well enough! A very nice place, that biergarten. Red Oak has merchandising down to an art, so bring extra cash for the tee shirts, hats, etc. The Hummin'Bird logo is especially appealing.

On topic: The Return of the Tre, should it come to pass, is as valuable as any recruit we'll get.