MBB: Duke v Wake (Tue, 1/23, 9pm, ACCNtwk Extra) Pre-Game and In-Game Thread

[JBDuke]

Duke travels to Winston-Salem Tuesday night to take on the Deacs at their place. Late game and it looks like it will only be streaming - no cable channel. More to come.

[MrPoon]

I’m sure others will do much more meaningful anylisis as we get closer to the game. Mine starts by asking who in the league office did Wake piss off? Back to back home games are good, but Virginia and Duke (rested) is a big ask for any team.

Hope Bolden is back and we keep building momentum into the harder parts of the schedule.

[awhom111]

Duke travels to Winston-Salem Tuesday night to take on the Deacs at their place. Late game and it looks like it will only be streaming - no cable channel. More to come.

No, this will be on the ACC OTA Network again like the last game, although on fewer stations around the country.

TV stations and free, unrestricted stream:
http://theacc.com/sports/2017/12/9/acc-network-mbb-180123.aspx

Blackout Map:
http://a.espncdn.com/espn3/images/2010/blackout/3275590.jpg

Black:
-On TV via station from list linked above
-Online via link posted above

Green:
-On TV via station from list linked above
-On TV via ESPN College Extra (DirecTV 789, AT&T U-Verse 615, Verizon FIOS 822)
-Online via link posted above
-Online via ACC Network Extra section of WatchESPN

[Neals384]

No, this will be on the ACC OTA Network again like the last game, although on fewer stations around the country.

TV stations and free, unrestricted stream:
http://theacc.com/sports/2017/12/9/acc-network-mbb-180123.aspx

Blackout Map:
http://a.espncdn.com/espn3/images/2010/blackout/3275590.jpg

Black:
-On TV via station from list linked above
-Online via link posted above

Green:
-On TV via station from list linked above
-On TV via ESPN College Extra (DirecTV 789, AT&T U-Verse 615, Verizon FIOS 822)
-Online via link posted above
-Online via ACC Network Extra section of WatchESPN

Thank you awhom! My local channel does indeed carry some games as indicated on your list. However, they never list the games in their schedule. Vs. Wake last time, I recorded 2 xfiles reruns and yes, it was really Duke. Couldn't have found it without you!

[Neals384]

Hoping Grayson puts in more han one basket this time, and hope we go zone to slow down Crawford.

[gofurman]

I’m sure others will do much more meaningful anylisis as we get closer to the game. Mine starts by asking who in the league office did Wake piss off? Back to back home games are good, but Virginia and Duke (rested) is a big ask for any team.

Hope Bolden is back and we keep building momentum into the harder parts of the schedule.

Uva won by just 10. Any road game is tough. This will not be easy, though I hope to be wrong - maybe we turned a corner at Miami

[kshepinthehouse]

I’m headed to the Joel to cheer on the Blue Devils tomorrow night. Wake has historically played is pretty well here and as always the crowd will be pumped. You may remember last year we needed a heroic performance from Luke Kennard to save us from the jaws of defeat down 10 in the last couple of minutes. Should be fun, although I hate the 9 o’clock starts!

[budwom]

Games like this make DirecTV worthwhile, at least for me (even though everyone hates all cable and satellite companies, of course).
Great for football, too. It used to be you had to buy a special package each year, e.g. Full Court, to get these games...

[Truth&Justise]

From my view, this is a classic trap game:

Team and fans might be looking ahead to UVA game
Recent win over Wake fuels over-confidence
Mid-week road game in a hostile environment
While successful, Duke is still VERY young

I think this will be a difficult game. Wake is very motivated to get the notch on their belt that they missed out on against UVA. We will need to be focused on this game, and not any other upcoming games. This should be a good indicator of our young team's maturity.

I still expect us to win, but don't be surprised if it's close.

[uh_no]

From my view, this is a classic trap game:

Team and fans might be looking ahead to UVA game
Recent win over Wake fuels over-confidence
Mid-week road game in a hostile environment
While successful, Duke is still VERY young

I think this will be a difficult game. Wake is very motivated to get the notch on their belt that they missed out on against UVA. We will need to be focused on this game, and not any other upcoming games. This should be a good indicator of our young team's maturity.

I still expect us to win, but don't be surprised if it's close.

given that we've lost to two mediocre teams on the road already, hopefully we're past the air of invincibility that would cause us to overlook a road game against a mediocre opponent.

That said, the defense has been extremely impressive the past four games. If duke continues to play at that level tomorrow night, we'll win going away.

[Matches]

Wake always seems to play us tough in W-S. I expect a fired-up effort from them, and we will need to match it in order to win. Our talent clearly is superior but I expect this to be a tough game. They will not roll over.

[Troublemaker]

From my view, this is a classic trap game:

Team and fans might be looking ahead to UVA game
Recent win over Wake fuels over-confidence
Mid-week road game in a hostile environment
While successful, Duke is still VERY young

I think this will be a difficult game. Wake is very motivated to get the notch on their belt that they missed out on against UVA. We will need to be focused on this game, and not any other upcoming games. This should be a good indicator of our young team's maturity.

I still expect us to win, but don't be surprised if it's close.

Yep, beating a team in Cameron is obviously not the same task as beating them on the road. I don't know if a comeback win @Miami is enough to make me confident about an ACC road game yet. We have a chance to be on a 5-game winning streak heading into the marquee game on Saturday, but make no mistake, @Wake is the second-toughest game of this 5-game stretch. Let's see how the boys perform and whether the defensive improvement continues.

[uh_no]

Yep, beating a team in Cameron is obviously not the same task as beating them on the road. I don't know if a comeback win @Miami is enough to make me confident about an ACC road game yet. We have a chance to be on a 5-game winning streak heading into the marquee game on Saturday, but make no mistake, @Wake is the second-toughest game of this 5-game stretch. Let's see how the boys perform and whether the defensive improvement continues.

i mean...that's not saying much when 4 of the 5 games are against the 2 worst teams in the league who are a combined 1-13.

If we fail to win the regular season this year, I think we lose any right to complain about "but so and so had an easier schedule" in the future.

[JasonEvans]

Vs. Wake last time, I recorded 2 xfiles reruns and yes, it was really Duke. Couldn't have found it without you!

The truth is out there and awhom will lead you to it!

[Troublemaker]

i mean...that's not saying much when 4 of the 5 games are against the 2 worst teams in the league who are a combined 1-13.

Agreed, but it's still factually true. I guess my point is this game is a clear step up from Pitt at home, @Pitt, and Wake at home. And in the other game during this stretch, we trailed by 13 with 8 minutes left. Let's see what happens @Wake.



If we fail to win the regular season this year, I think we lose any right to complain about "but so and so had an easier schedule" in the future.

Well, it depends. If we go 15-3 and UVA goes 16-2 (which is what happened in 2015), for example, I would still applaud our effort. It would not be a shameful performance that removes our right to speak about schedule strength in seasons past and future.

In general, if an opinion can be backed up, I'm okay with people voicing it. There have been seasons when teams benefitted from an easier conference schedule than Duke. 2017-18 is not one of them, however.

[ncexnyc]

Wake has some talented kids, however they don't close very well.

Moore is a load, but seems to run out of gas at the end of games and both Woods and Crawford while very good players have serious lapses in judgement during crunch time.

Some better coaching by Manning could fix some of these issues as he could make better use of Saar in order to save Moore for crunch time and he could use some tough love on his talented, but wild child duo of Woods and Crawford.

[uh_no]

Agreed, but it's still factually true.

Tyler Hansbrough and Michael Jordan combined have 6 NBA titles between them! Being factually true isn't usually a good defense of an argument.

Ultimately, I agree. wake has given decent games so far at home. I'm just not a fan of trumping up a 5 game winning streak when 3 of the games might as well have been shooting monkeys in a fish barrel. Sure, winning is great, but the quality of the teams has on average been significantly less than what we will run into the last month.

combined record through first 7 games: 11-37
combined record of last 7 games: 24-20

So lets go and be sure we beat wake....because it only gets harder from here...and we're going to need to be near perfect to take the #1 seed....outside duke on saturday, the chances of UVA dropping another one go down significantly....when they're good, they rarely lose late season games to teams outside about the top 20. Maybe florida state or miami can get them.

[Troublemaker]

Tyler Hansbrough and Michael Jordan combined have 6 NBA titles between them! Being factually true isn't usually a good defense of an argument.

Ultimately, I agree. wake has given decent games so far at home. I'm just not a fan of trumping up a 5 game winning streak when 3 of the games might as well have been shooting monkeys in a fish barrel. Sure, winning is great, but the quality of the teams has on average been significantly less than what we will run into the last month.

combined record through first 7 games: 11-37
combined record of last 7 games: 24-20

So lets go and be sure we beat wake...because it only gets harder from here...and we're going to need to be near perfect to take the #1 seed...outside duke on saturday, the chances of UVA dropping another one go down significantly...when they're good, they rarely lose late season games to teams outside about the top 20. Maybe florida state or miami can get them.

Our signals have gotten crossed somewhere, my friend. My point was not to "trump up a 5 game winning streak" but to warn that this game could be tough and is a step up from three of our recent wins.

I agree that the schedule hardens from here.

[richardjackson199]

Vegas has Duke by 9.5.

Let's just win by 1.5, stay healthy, and be ready if somebody tries to throw Grayson into the bench this year

[CDu]

Vegas has Duke by 9.5.

Let's just win by 1.5, stay healthy, and be ready if somebody tries to throw Grayson into the bench this year

Gonna be tricky to win by 1.5...

[Kedsy]

Vegas has Duke by 9.5.

Let's just win by 1.5, stay healthy, and be ready if somebody tries to throw Grayson into the bench this year

If we win by 1.5, that would be a real trick.

EDIT: great minds and all that...

[richardjackson199]

Gonna be tricky to win by 1.5...

Thankfully we have Tricky,

just the man to do it.

[Bull City Proud]

From my view, this is a classic trap game:

Team and fans might be looking ahead to UVA game
Recent win over Wake fuels over-confidence
Mid-week road game in a hostile environment
While successful, Duke is still VERY young

I think this will be a difficult game. Wake is very motivated to get the notch on their belt that they missed out on against UVA. We will need to be focused on this game, and not any other upcoming games. This should be a good indicator of our young team's maturity.

I still expect us to win, but don't be surprised if it's close.

I agree totally, trap game . We will win close game. Foul trouble may be an issue if we don’t play zone.

[gofurman]

I agree totally, trap game . We will win close game. Foul trouble may be an issue if we don’t play zone.

All games scare me. We are 2-2 on road w losses to BC and State ... Wake is all we should be thinking about. These guys are much better than Pitt and hung w UVA

[devildeac]

Vegas has Duke by 9.5.

Let's just win by 1.5, stay healthy, and be ready if somebody tries to throw Grayson into the bench this year

Too soon.

I wish you hadn't reminded me of that incident. :mad::mad:

[Kedsy]

All games scare me. We are 2-2 on road w losses to BC and State ... Wake is all we should be thinking about. These guys are much better than Pitt and hung w UVA

BC hung with UVa, too. At UVa.

[moonpie23]

Total trap game. LJA is always a tough crowd that hates duke. If our entire starting 5 fouls out, it will be a tough game to win.

[Saratoga2]

I agree totally, trap game . We will win close game. Foul trouble may be an issue if we don’t play zone.

Wake is an ACC team with some talent who playes a physical game. We play them on the road with a fairly short rest with a team made up of freshmen with one senior who may be coming out of a funk. Our backup players were unimpressive in the Pitt game. Yes, our team is improving its defense with practice time and we are more talented, but this is no cakewalk. I like the improvement in Trent's game. Duval is also coming along nicely although needs to avoid trying to make spectacular passes and realize Duke will win if we minimize turnovers. Hope Grayson can continue to come out of his shooting slump and that will take us to another level.

[thedukelamere]

Vegas has Duke by 9.5.

Let's just win by 1.5, stay healthy, and be ready if somebody tries to throw Grayson into the bench this year

One can only hope the refs keep a lid on this one and snuff out anything heading in that direction...

Unfortunately we've already had a few games where MBIII and WCJr have been borderline assaulted, so I'm sure Doral Moore has been given the green light to test the whistles early in an attempt to keep our bigs out of their flow.

[happydays1949]

Total trap game. LJA is always a tough crowd that hates duke. If our entire starting 5 fouls out, it will be a tough game to win.

We quit going to Winston to see Duke play Wake. That crowd is horrible.

[proelitedota]

Spread if we play zone: 16.5
Spread if we play man: 2.5

I see what Vegas did there.

[Billy Dat]

I didn't realize Wake had such a long losing streak going...5 in a row and 7 of 8. One assumes they'll be foaming at the mouth to win, but does anyone know if, maybe, they are about ready to roll over and quit on Danny? I hope for the latter but expect the former. We've got some momentum, let's keep it rolling tonight.

[BullBlue]

Didn't Grayson outscore the entire Wake team during the first half when they played at Duke his freshman year? This would be a good night for a repeat performance.

[ncexnyc]

We quit going to Winston to see Duke play Wake. That crowd is horrible.

You're kidding right? I took my family to a Duke vs Wake game a couple of years ago and even though I was sporting my Duke gear everyone was super nice to us.

[dukelifer]

Need the guards to play well in this one- particularly GA. Always a tough game.

[gofurman]

No, this will be on the ACC OTA Network again like the last game, although on fewer stations around the country.

TV stations and free, unrestricted stream:
http://theacc.com/sports/2017/12/9/acc-network-mbb-180123.aspx

Blackout Map:
http://a.espncdn.com/espn3/images/2010/blackout/3275590.jpg

Black:
-On TV via station from list linked above
-Online via link posted above

Green:
-On TV via station from list linked above
-On TV via ESPN College Extra (DirecTV 789, AT&T U-Verse 615, Verizon FIOS 822)
-Online via link posted above
-Online via ACC Network Extra section of WatchESPN

I am in the black area. When I go to the link it appears it will work on my iPhone ("your event will start at 9pm")... But on my iPad it says 'authentication error. Please try later '. Thoughts ?? I want to watch on my iPad

[WiJoe]

Games like this make DirecTV worthwhile, at least for me (even though everyone hates all cable and satellite companies, of course).
Great for football, too. It used to be you had to buy a special package each year, e.g. Full Court, to get these games...

LOVE DirecTV. HATE the commercials on those upper channels. Same darn things over and over and over and over ...

[jjredickrules]

Didn't Grayson outscore the entire Wake team during the first half when they played at Duke his freshman year? This would be a good night for a repeat performance.

For your amusement and reminiscence:
https://www.bloggersodear.com/2015/3/4/8152307/wake-forest-grayson-allen-duke-recap-final-score

This always brings me a smile :)

[DavidBenAkiva]

No Bolden tonight :(

[BullBlue]

For your amusement and reminiscence:
https://www.bloggersodear.com/2015/3/4/8152307/wake-forest-grayson-allen-duke-recap-final-score

This always brings me a smile :)

Ah ha ha ha. Thanks, I was highly amused. I hadn't seen that one before.

[cato]

No Bolden tonight :(

Any news?

[brevity]

Link to DBR Chat: http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/misc.php?do=cchatbox

Sorry if I stepped on any moderator toes.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Saw a report on twitter that he has a Type or Grade 1 MCL Sprain. I am not a doctor, but I think that means that he will be out for an indefinite amount of time.

[richardjackson199]

Saw a report on twitter that he has a Type or Grade 1 MCL Sprain. I am not a doctor, but I think that means that he will be out for an indefinite amount of time.

Sounds like a vigil is in order

[WVDUKEFAN]

Anyone having issues viewing?

[Brockt10]

Roanoke, va area provider screwed up and has the game starting at 10. Currently watching Black Lightning

[moonpie23]

no chat tonight?

[devildeac]

Link to DBR Chat: http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/misc.php?do=cchatbox

Sorry if I stepped on any moderator toes.

No problem-they can see any ortho surgeons they'd like at Duke-if they can find a good one;):rolleyes:.

[WVDUKEFAN]

Roanoke, va area provider screwed up and has the game starting at 10. Currently watching Black Lightning

It's working now for me.

[Brockt10]

It's working now for me.

Still black lightning for me. This sucks

[karmacoma]

This game has zero flow and about 37 offensive fouls.

[karmacoma]

This game has zero flow and about 37 offensive fouls.

Wow this is ugly.

[rsvman]

Grayson looking more like Grayson on the shot, though

[karmacoma]

Grayson looking more like Grayson on the shot, though

Agreed. Good hustle, too.

[karmacoma]

A little bit of separation thanks to Alex.

[karmacoma]

We are not rebounding well tonight. Moore is making a living on the offensive glass.

[karmacoma]

Big three by Gary to go up 12.

Man, it's lonely in here tonight...

[jwillfan]

Didn't see anyone posting this earlier: https://www.scacchoops.com/duke-at-wake-forest-basketball-live-stats-01232018

[Dub]

No complaints on my end. The M2M defense looks light years ahead of where we were two weeks ago. Every shot seems to be contested. Even as Wake’s quick guards penetrate, great help defense to force the contested midrange. Save for all the offensive rebounds from Moore, we’re trending up.

[TheOldBattleship]

I've had my complaints this year with Grayson's decision-making, but my god, he's been incredibly good tonight. Just been everywhere on both ends, pops up out of nowhere, making not just the right decision but the most creatively right decision instantly. Amazing stuff from a senior who's playing about three steps ahead of everyone else on the floor so far.

[jipops]

We don't end 1st halves well. But overall we were pretty solid.

[ncexnyc]

Had our foot on their throats and let them up off the ground.

[arnie]

Dorel MOORE destroying Carter and Bagley, yet we’re up 11. Suspect our bigs come out strong in 2nd.

[CDu]

Not a great night so far offensively overall (given how bad Wake is on D), but very stingy defense. Hopefully the O wakes up and the D continues.

[Saratoga2]

Just following on Game Tracker. Neither Duval or Bagley is efficient on offense but I can't tell why on Gametracker. Hope they can pick it up in the second half.Nice to see some balance. Allen, Trent and Carter doing their thing and a nice contribution from O'Connell. No se3rious foul trouble other than DeLaurier. Interesting that Jack White came in as replacement for Delaurier.

[jipops]

Only 5 fg's have been made for Wake by guys not named Moore.

[CDu]

Just following on Game Tracker. Neither Duval or Bagley is efficient on offense but I can't tell why on Gametracker. Hope they can pick it up in the second half.Nice to see some balance. Allen, Trent and Carter doing their thing and a nice contribution from O'Connell. No se3rious foul trouble other than DeLaurier. Interesting that Jack White came in as replacement for Delaurier.

Bagley had 2 fouls and Bolden is out. So White is the fourth big tonight.

[jipops]

Not a great night so far offensively overall (given how bad Wake is on D), but very stingy defense. Hopefully the O wakes up and the D continues.

Seems the O has been taking a slight dip recently as the D has been picking up. I'm ok with that trade-off for now.

[jipops]

Duval having a terrible night finishing at the rim

[karmacoma]

Whoa...would that qualify as a Euro-step for Marvin?! Great move whatever it was.

[CDu]

Not a great night so far offensively overall (given how bad Wake is on D), but very stingy defense. Hopefully the O wakes up and the D continues.

That is more like it. :)

[ncexnyc]

Three officials and not one of them saw the Wake player catch Marvin on the shoulder during that last basket.

[Dub]

I hate getting too excited because it’s Wake, but we’ve absolutely turned a corner on D. Also as teams focus on Bagley, Carter is shining big time. At some point it’s just going to be pick your poison. If our defense continues to play like this, we’re going to be tough with our offense that scores 80 sleepwalking.

[TheOldBattleship]

Whoa...would that qualify as a Euro-step for Marvin?! Great move whatever it was.

I love when he gets past a guy in the paint, like on that play, but has been forced to slow down a bunch and so you're ready to watch him lay it in because nobody human could possibly dunk after switching directions twice and having his momentum going away from the bucket, etc., but whatever, it's still going to be a really astonishingly athletic play for a guy that big to be that athletic... and then he just dunks it with absolutely no effort. Like it's so easy. Man alive. It's incredible to watch.

[LasVegas]

When will Javin make a put back dunk? Jeeeeesh!

[UrinalCake]

The big Neanderthal dude for Wake is having a career night, but just picked up his third. We’re not really accustomed to playing AGAINST teams that play with two bigs.

[karmacoma]

Wake inching back. Let's go, Duke.

[jipops]

I hate getting too excited because it’s Wake, but we’ve absolutely turned a corner on D. Also as teams focus on Bagley, Carter is shining big time. At some point it’s just going to be pick your poison. If our defense continues to play like this, we’re going to be tough with our offense that scores 80 sleepwalking.

This doesn't look like an offense that will score 80 tonight. I've been good with the D though

[karmacoma]

Lead down to 9. Wow.

[rsvman]

More threes rattling out again. Need to step it up here

[buddy]

Duval needs to be on the bench

[karmacoma]

Duval has been flat out terrible offensively tonight. Replaced by Alex, finally.

[BigZ]

The defense has evaporated

[gocanes0506]

The defense has evaporated

Organized basketball has evaporated in this game too.

[PackMan97]

The defense has evaporated

I would normally say you guys are playing with fire letting Wake hang around...but if there is one team in the ACC that has proven they can't close the deal, it's Wake.

[Dub]

Tre having a rough night. Happens to the best of em. On the flip side, it’s such a beauty to watch us kick it up a gear when adversity hits. Lead goes from 19 down to 8, then back up to 14. We could probably pass it to Bagley and/or Carter every possession from this point and win walking away. As I said earlier, we score 80 sleepwalking.

[flyingdutchdevil]

...I kinda want the crowd to get a free chicken sandwich...

[BigZ]

Finally making foul shots

[godins]

Lead's only 89.97% safe, guys...

http://www.lilliechilen.com/billjames/

[Dub]

This doesn't look like an offense that will score 80 tonight. I've been good with the D though

Ahem...lol certainly not pretty but we always get there.