MBB: Duke vs Wake Forest (Sat, 1/13, noon, ACCNtwk) Pre-Game and In-Game Thread

[JBDuke]

Duke hosts Wake Forest this Saturday at noon in Cameron.

[UrinalCake]

Let’s keep this train rolling!

[kako]

Unfortunately Wake isn't all that much more of a test than Pitt at this point. Losses to Liberty and Drake aren't exactly losing to Wagner (9F), but they are bad losses. More was expected from Wake. Probably just more time for Duke to work on their defense in the safe confines of Cameron.

[chrishoke]

WF is a lot better than Pitt.

[CDu]

WF is a lot better than Pitt.

Agreed. Wake has at least won a game against a Power-5 school this year. And arguably has some NBA talent as well. And way more experience.

[kAzE]

Unfortunately Wake isn't all that much more of a test than Pitt at this point. Losses to Liberty and Drake aren't exactly losing to Wagner (9F), but they are bad losses. More was expected from Wake. Probably just more time for Duke to work on their defense in the safe confines of Cameron.

Well, according to KenPom, they have a better offense than NC State. So if NC State scored 96 on us . . . .

[OldPhiKap]

Didn’t Wake take UNC to the wire in CH? They can get up for the big games, I would not take this one lightly.

[uh_no]

WF is a lot better than Pitt.

and it's almost entirely on the offensive end. defenses are ranked nearly identically. should be a good test.

[CDu]

Wake is a significant step up from what we faced yesterday, both in talent and experience. They are, performance-wise, not too dissimilar from State, although they accomplish it quite differently. Like State, they have a pretty good offense (slightly better) but bad defense (slightly worse). Unlike State, they don’t play particularly fast. They are a terrific shooting team, both on 3s and at the line. They defend 3s very poorly however.

Centers: Doral Moore (7’1”, 250lb junior) is the man in the middle. Moore is a huge presence, though not a particularly skilled one. Very dangerous around the rim thanks to his size and reasonable athleticism, but away from the rim he is awful. Moore rebounds, blocks shots, and dunks. Anything else is gravy. Foul trouble is Moore’s issue. He averages 3 fouls per 22.5 mpg. When Moore sits, Olivier Sarr (7’0”, 215lb freshman from France) fills in. Sarr is a decent shooter with range out to 3pt land. But he is paper-thin, and not much of a presence inside.

Forwards: If I had to pick a weakness for the Deacs (aside from defense), it would be at forward. They just aren’t great here. Terrence Thompson (6’7”, 215lb senior transfer from Marshall) is the de facto PF. Thompson is a solid rebounder, and a decent shooter. But not a guy who jumps off the page aside from effort. Behind him is Donovan Mitchell (6’8”, 215lb soph). Mitchell is a pure stretch four. He is a fantastic shooter snd should not be left open. He is a bad defender, though, which probably explains his limited minutes. He should not be confused with former Louisville star guard Donovan Mitchell. They are not afraid to go with four guard/wings either.

Wings: This is an area of strength for Wake. Keyshawn Woods (6’3”, 190lb junior transfer from Charlotte) is a terrific shooter and shot creator. He is one of the best shooters in the country. A must-cover, no questions asked. Freshman Chaundey Brown (6’5”, 215lb) is the other starter. Brown is a terrific athlete who plays with strength, and also a pretty good shooter. Off the bench, Mitchell Wilbekin (6’2”, 165lb senior, Scottie’s little bro) is the primary option. Wilbekin is a shooter (45.6% 3pt), and little else. He is awful inside the arc.

Guards: This really could just be a continuation of the previous section. Bryant Crawford (6’3”, 195lb junior) is the Deacs’ star. He is a combo guard through and through. Quite capable of scoring or distributing, though he is a better scorer than passer. Crawford is strong and athletic, and a pretty good shooter too. He has historically given us fits, and is a handful who may just wind up in the NBA. Crawford will also play SG some when Brandon Childress (6’0”, 190lb soph, Randolph’s kid) comes in. Childress has improved a good bit from last year. He plays with a fire and fearlessness, and can be a real pain. He can lose his cool, as seen in the Allen shove last year. A streaky shooter who isn’t afraid to take it into the trees.

As you can tell, Wake’s strength is their shooting. Seven of their nine regulars shoot 35+% from 3, and one who doesn’t is a bad shooter himself. They will certainly test our defense’s progress. They aren’t just shooters - they have 3-4 guys who are dynamic with the ball in their hands. Conversely, they are bad defensively. I don’t expact this game to have less than 170 points scored.

[DavidBenAkiva]

For a team featuring a lot of juniors and seniors, Wake Forest is having a tough year. They enter the matchup against Duke at 8-8, having lost 4 of their last 5 games. The team really, really struggles to defend. Their most glaring weakness come from the 3-point line, where they have allowed 39.2% shooting from beyond the arc, good for 323rd in the nation (out of 351 teams). Grayson and Gary getting hot from 3 point range would go a long way towards dumping the Demon Deacons.

The only defensive shooting statistic where the Deacons are inside the top 100 is opponents 2P%, where they allow 46.0% shooting. Some of that is due to the presence 7'1" junior Doral Moore. Moore enrolled at Wake Forest as the highest rated recruit in a talented class that also featured John Collins, lately of the Atlanta Hawks. Now that both Collins and Konstantinos Mitoglou have left, the latter after graduating from Wake Forest, Moore is the anchor for what otherwise would be an undersized team. Of the top 6 scorers for Wake, Moore is the only one taller than 6'5" in height. There are other forwards on the roster, including 7' freshman Oliver Sarr of France. But almost all the shots are being hoisted by the 5 primary guards, Moore, and starting forward Terrence Thompson. Thompson will likely get the first crack at guarding Marvin Bagley III. The senior forward is a native of Durham, NC. He's fairly nondescript from an analytical perspective, not a particularly poor or great player at any aspect of the game. Clearly, this Wake Forest team misses Collins in the Power Forward position.

On the offensive side of things, Wake is well above average. They shoot the ball well, averaging 39.5% on the season as a team, which is 26th in the nation. They have 5 guards that shoot the three with accuracy and regularity, including lead point guard and junior Bryant Crawford. Senior guard Mitchell Wilbekin is particularly accurate from 3, hitting 45.6% of his attempts so far this season. Wilbekin take nearly twice as many shots from beyond the arc than inside the 3-point line whereas his teammates seem just as comfortable - though often less successful - shooting inside the arc. Only a handful of Wake Forest players are efficient inside the arc, most notable center Doral Moore (72.8% 2P%) and 6'8" reserve sophomore forward Donovan Mitchell (61.1%).

One area where Wake really struggles is holding onto the ball. They average 13.6 turnovers a game, good for 189th in the country. A lot of that blame falls on lead point guard Crawford, who is giving up the ball an average of 3.4 times per game. Crawford is having a bit of a down year after a pretty good sophomore campaign. His 3-point shooting has improved and he's lights out from the free throw line (90.5%), but his rebounds, assists, turnovers, and scoring have all sagged a little from last year. He's getting far more attention from opposing defenses and not handling it particularly well. Fellow junior Keyshawn Woods has much the same story. He's scoring more than he was a year ago, but his overall game has suffered. Woods is averaging half as many assists and rebounds this season.

The game plan here appears fairly simple: Limit the number of open looks from 3 for Wake's guards. If possible, get Doral Moore in foul trouble (he's only averaging 5.3 fouls per 40 minutes, which is quite good for a shot blocking center), and mostly just play average or better defense. Scoring is not the issue for the Blue Devils this season. Keeping the Demon Deacons from torching the basket from deep is the main key.

Let's Go Duke!

[Kedsy]

If possible, get Doral Moore in foul trouble (he's only averaging 5.3 fouls per 40 minutes, which is quite good for a shot blocking center)...

Thanks, DBA and CDu for your scouting reports. One minor quibble: 5.3 fouls per 40 isn't absolutely terrible for a shot-blocking center, but I wouldn't characterize it as "quite good," either.

Moore has 3.9 blocks per 40 and 5.3 fouls per 40. For comparison's sake, here are the top 6 shot blockers (total blocks) in the country:

Ajdin Penava (Marshall), 6.2 bp40; 4.7 fp40
Mo Bamba (Texas), 6.1 bp40; 4.1 fp40
Reggie Lynch (Minn), 4.1 bp40; 2.7 fp40
Anas Mahmoud (Louisville), 4.0 bp40; 5.0 fp40
Tariq Owens (St. Johns), 3.6 bp40; 2.8 fp40
Paschal Chukwu (Syracuse), 3.3 bp40; 2.9 fp40

All of them with lower fouls per 40 than Moore, most of them a lot lower.

Here are the top 3 shot blockers on Duke's team (again, total blocks):

Wendell Carter, 3.0 bp40; 4.7 fp40
Marvin Bagley, 1.3 bp40; 2.4 fp40
Marques Bolden, 3.1 bp40; 5.1 fp40

Again, all three with lower fouls per 40 than Moore, though Wendell and Marques aren't much lower, and Marvin isn't really that productive a shotblocker.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Thanks, DBA and CDu for your scouting reports. One minor quibble: 5.3 fouls per 40 isn't absolutely terrible for a shot-blocking center, but I wouldn't characterize it as "quite good," either.

Moore has 3.9 blocks per 40 and 5.3 fouls per 40. For comparison's sake, here are the top 6 shot blockers (total blocks) in the country:

Ajdin Penava (Marshall), 6.2 bp40; 4.7 fp40
Mo Bamba (Texas), 6.1 bp40; 4.1 fp40
Reggie Lynch (Minn), 4.1 bp40; 2.7 fp40
Anas Mahmoud (Louisville), 4.0 bp40; 5.0 fp40
Tariq Owens (St. Johns), 3.6 bp40; 2.8 fp40
Paschal Chukwu (Syracuse), 3.3 bp40; 2.9 fp40

All of them with lower fouls per 40 than Moore, most of them a lot lower.

Here are the top 3 shot blockers on Duke's team (again, total blocks):

Wendell Carter, 3.0 bp40; 4.7 fp40
Marvin Bagley, 1.3 bp40; 2.4 fp40
Marques Bolden, 3.1 bp40; 5.1 fp40

Again, all three with lower fouls per 40 than Moore, though Wendell and Marques aren't much lower, and Marvin isn't really that productive a shotblocker.

Thanks for the clarification, Kedsy. No, Moore is not the best of most proficient shot blocker in CBB. But he's put to the test a ton and is often that only big on then court. I was expecting that he would be fouling a lot more than he has. Then again, he's only playing about 22 minutes a game. It's not clear that he would be able to keep up with Duke if we decided to push the tempo. Wake plays at a relatively modest pace this season. Could he do much to keep Carter or Bagley run to the rim in transition? I think Moore is playing better than he has previously but is only ok at best and we should expect that interior defense will be an issue for Wake.

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[English]

Unfortunately Wake isn't all that much more of a test than Pitt at this point. Losses to Liberty and Drake aren't exactly losing to Wagner (9F), but they are bad losses. More was expected from Wake. Probably just more time for Duke to work on their defense in the safe confines of Cameron.

Wofford. At home.
#NeverForget

[flyingdutchdevil]

and it's almost entirely on the offensive end. defenses are ranked nearly identically. should be a good test.

But we shouldn't care about the defense of the opponent. We have the most potent offense in the country.

I'm worried about their O. Like you said, Wake is so much better than Pitt on that end (#46 vs Pitt's #221). Can we make stops? Can we keep the intensity for 20+ minutes (I'm not going to say 40 min as that's not happening)?

If the collective scores of both teams is under 165, I like our chances to win.

[uh_no]

But we shouldn't care about the defense of the opponent. We have the most potent offense in the country.

I'm worried about their O. Like you said, Wake is so much better than Pitt on that end (#46 vs Pitt's #221). Can we make stops? Can we keep the intensity for 20+ minutes (I'm not going to say 40 min as that's not happening)?

If the collective scores of both teams is under 165, I like our chances to win.

Yeah, we're saying the same thing. Our offense ought to be fine regardless of opponent....but the fact that the opposing offense is leaps better is why it's a good test.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Yeah, we're saying the same thing. Our offense ought to be fine regardless of opponent...but the fact that the opposing offense is leaps better is why it's a good test.

Exactly. Not disagreeing with you at all. On the surface, Wake is a crappy team. Against Duke - which is all O / no D - they are a threat because of their solid O.

[PackMan97]

WF is a lot better than Pitt.

Not only that, in all of their losses, they've played pretty tough.

They only have two losses by more than 10 points....vs #14(RPI) Tenn and #236 Liberty. Other than that they've lost by 4,5,6,8,2 and 3...and they did beat Syracuse.

Right now they are just having a tough time getting over that hump against the better teams.

Transitive property is in play:
State beat Duke by 11. UNC-G beat State by 5. Wake Beat UNC-G by 6. Therefore Wake will beat Duke by 22.

[kako]

Wofford. At home.
#NeverForget

Sorry. Never will forget Wagner either.

[Olympic Fan]

Sorry. Never will forget Wagner either.

I'm sorry ... that's a ridiculous comparison.

Wofford beat a North Carolina team that was ranked No. 5 in the nation (No. 4 by the coaches) on their home floor.

In 1983, Wagner beat an unranked Duke team -- one that was en route to an 11-17 finish -- on its home floor.

It was an upset for Duke to lose to a bad Wagner team. But that was a pretty weak Duke team too,

There's no comparison with a top 10 UNC team (even if they don't end up top 10, they will almost certainly end the season ranked) losing at home to Wofford.

Interesting that you have to go back 35 years to find a Duke loss to try and compare with the Cheats' upset loss.

[uh_no]

Sorry. Never will forget Wagner either.

completely agree. his ring cycle is yet the greatest musical achievement in history.

[53n206]

Remember when it was said that if you couldn't play defense you could not get on the floor for Coach K? Or was it some other coach at Duke?

[uh_no]

Remember when it was said that if you couldn't play defense you could not get on the floor for Coach K? Or was it some other coach at Duke?

well playing with fewer than 5 players has been precedented this year....with some success as well....maybe we ought to give it a shot.

[WiJoe]

Bob Rathbun on the TV call? Yuck. At least we get G Man with the analysis.

[awhom111]

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[grossbus]

I hate early games.

[smvalkyries]

Not sure about you but I still can't get over last saturday.That wasn't a "next play" game. It's not that we lost to State it was the state of our Defense. I know it's a young team (defensively somewhere near underclass high school) but despite the best talent in the country I hate to say we looked completely uncoached on defense I know we have the best coach of all time so what happened? Defense on the street is better than what we showed saturday. 20 minutes of D against Pitt means nothing to me... I wish I had a solution. I don't. Can we afford 25 minutes of J Robbie just for his communication and hustle? Maybe or maybe we can't afford not to have 25 minutes of J Robby! Untl someone figures it out I wouldn't take anyone lightly. I do love and respect Duke basketball and esp Coach K, but this lack of D is very very painful to watch even when we outscore the opponent. For all of you who begged for the no contact game you are now getting it from our D. I would rather we fouled every shot in the paint than to see us give up dunk after dunk.
All that said I am still wondering if the whole team has had the flu, is playing through partially torn tendons, or mononucleosis. I think any of those would make me feel more confident for the future than I do right now.
Here's hoping we can outscore Wake tomorrow.

[madscavenger]

completely agree. his ring cycle is yet the greatest musical achievement in history.

Yeah, he got around a bit, but then again so did Liszt.

[Bob Green]

If the collective scores of both teams is under 165, I like our chances to win.

The consensus Over/Under in Vegas is currently 166.5 points:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/duke

Duke is favored by 16.5 points.

[carteretdevil]

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I appreciate you putting this on the board!!

[slower]

For those interested in this sort of thing, the markets included in the over the air broadcast cover about 64.5% of the population.

Yes, but what about electoral votes? What's the breakdown there? :p

Oh, and for the record, Wake is one of the teams I've come to despise recently, due to their chippy style. Bryant Crawford, in particular, is rather unpleasant.

I'm not predicting anything. This Duke team could win any game or lose any game - there's no telling what will happen, no matter who gets it right in their pre-game prediction and then considers themselves an expert.

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May be stuck at, er, um, I mean enjoying a swim meet mid-day. What's the replay potential?

[TruBlu]

May be stuck at, er, um, I mean enjoying a swim meet mid-day. What's the replay potential?

Replay should be on WatchESPN. Might be a short delay after the game is over before replay is available. Or do better than I do, and remember to set your DVR.

Enjoy your chore . . . er, I mean the pleasure of watching the swim meet.

[uh_no]

any word on the injured big men?

[mgtr]

any word on the injured big men?

I have it on good authority that they are still big.:D

[uh_no]

javin ist not dressed

[Spanarkel]

No mention of Javin's or Marques' status for the WFU game during yesterday's presser with Grayson.

The Don Best site(looks pretty updated and hopefully accurate)lists both as questionable for today.
http://www.donbest.com/ncaab/injuries/

(sorry, uh_no beat me to it re: Javin)

[lotusland]

Wake is a significant step up from what we faced yesterday, both in talent and experience. They are, performance-wise, not too dissimilar from State, although they accomplish it quite differently. Like State, they have a pretty good offense (slightly better) but bad defense (slightly worse). Unlike State, they don’t play particularly fast. They are a terrific shooting team, both on 3s and at the line. They defend 3s very poorly however.

Centers: Doral Moore (7’1”, 250lb junior) is the man in the middle. Moore is a huge presence, though not a particularly skilled one. Very dangerous around the rim thanks to his size and reasonable athleticism, but away from the rim he is awful. Moore rebounds, blocks shots, and dunks. Anything else is gravy. Foul trouble is Moore’s issue. He averages 3 fouls per 22.5 mpg. When Moore sits, Olivier Sarr (7’0”, 215lb freshman from France) fills in. Sarr is a decent shooter with range out to 3pt land. But he is paper-thin, and not much of a presence inside.

Forwards: If I had to pick a weakness for the Deacs (aside from defense), it would be at forward. They just aren’t great here. Terrence Thompson (6’7”, 215lb senior transfer from Marshall) is the de facto PF. Thompson is a solid rebounder, and a decent shooter. But not a guy who jumps off the page aside from effort. Behind him is Donovan Mitchell (6’8”, 215lb soph). Mitchell is a pure stretch four. He is a fantastic shooter snd should not be left open. He is a bad defender, though, which probably explains his limited minutes. He should not be confused with former Louisville star guard Donovan Mitchell. They are not afraid to go with four guard/wings either.

Wings: This is an area of strength for Wake. Keyshawn Woods (6’3”, 190lb junior transfer from Charlotte) is a terrific shooter and shot creator. He is one of the best shooters in the country. A must-cover, no questions asked. Freshman Chaundey Brown (6’5”, 215lb) is the other starter. Brown is a terrific athlete who plays with strength, and also a pretty good shooter. Off the bench, Mitchell Wilbekin (6’2”, 165lb senior, Scottie’s little bro) is the primary option. Wilbekin is a shooter (45.6% 3pt), and little else. He is awful inside the arc.

Guards: This really could just be a continuation of the previous section. Bryant Crawford (6’3”, 195lb junior) is the Deacs’ star. He is a combo guard through and through. Quite capable of scoring or distributing, though he is a better scorer than passer. Crawford is strong and athletic, and a pretty good shooter too. He has historically given us fits, and is a handful who may just wind up in the NBA. Crawford will also play SG some when Brandon Childress (6’0”, 190lb soph, Randolph’s kid) comes in. Childress has improved a good bit from last year. He plays with a fire and fearlessness, and can be a real pain. He can lose his cool, as seen in the Allen shove last year. A streaky shooter who isn’t afraid to take it into the trees.

As you can tell, Wake’s strength is their shooting. Seven of their nine regulars shoot 35+% from 3, and one who doesn’t is a bad shooter himself. They will certainly test our defense’s progress. They aren’t just shooters - they have 3-4 guys who are dynamic with the ball in their hands. Conversely, they are bad defensively. I don’t expact this game to have less than 170 points scored.

So I won’t expect much zone from Duke today.

[uh_no]

marques isnot dressed

[Neals384]

Yeah, he got around a bit, but then again so did Liszt.

And The Beach Boys

[lotusland]

May be stuck at, er, um, I mean enjoying a swim meet mid-day. What's the replay potential?

There is nothing longer than summer league swim meet. Drive an hour to arrive at 5:00 for warmups in 100° heat with 100% humidity. Watch kid swim exhibition freestyle at beginning then wait until the end for freestyle relay. Thunder and lightning near the end. Meet delayed for another hour. Get home at midnight. Swim team was great for kids but I cried tears of joy when it ended. I understand winter meets or HS meets tend to move a little faster tho...

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[kmspeaks]

Duke basketball just tweeted (https://twitter.com/DukeMBB/status/952213802493337600) Coach K will miss today's game due to a virus.

[lotusland]

Yikes!

[riverside6]

Live tempo based stats for Duke/Wake, Starters posted

https://www.scacchoops.com/wake-forest-at-duke-basketball-live-stats-01132018

[dukelifer]

Duke basketball just tweeted (https://twitter.com/DukeMBB/status/952213802493337600) Coach K will miss today's game due to a virus.

Not good. He has to be really sick to miss a game.

[House P]

marques isnot dressed

With Javin and Marques out (and Capel coaching), I will make the bold (and probably wrong) prediction that Duke will have 9 guys who play 10+ minutes today- even if the game is close.

[grossbus]

Crap. Blacked out on ACC net, but not finding on spectrum channels.

[Hauerwas]

Duval has already forced two mid-range jumpers and a bad drive. He either needs to get to the rim or dish the ball because almost every time when he shots a bad shot we have zero rotation back on defense and it leads to an easy bucket. His poor offensive execution almost always leads to breakaways on the other end.

[AGDukesky]

Nothing comes easy for this team

[LasVegas]

Nothing comes easy for this team

Best offense in the country?

[arnie]

With Javin and Marques out (and Capel coaching), I will make the bold (and probably wrong) prediction that Duke will have 9 guys who play 10+ minutes today- even if the game is close.

Good prediction so far.

[Hauerwas]

Unreal.

[karmacoma]

Our defensive rotations in the zone look slow today. We're fortunate that Wake has missed some open looks. Let's go, fellas.

[kmspeaks]

The good news is we should be shooting lots of free throws this game.

The bad news is we should be shooting lots of free throws this game.

[accfanfrom1970]

Alex!

[karmacoma]

Great stretch. Alex en fuego.

[fuse]

Rathbun just called Alex O’Connell “the Slim Reaper”.

I love it. Hope it sticks.

[gep]

Slim Reaper

[rickshawboycall911]

When Tre goes to the bench we always play better....not a good sign

[karmacoma]

It's gotten a little sloppy on both ends here late. Let's get a stop and a bucket.

[karmacoma]

It's gotten a little sloppy on both ends here late. Let's get a stop and a bucket.

So much for the stop. Bucket?...

[karmacoma]

So much for the stop. Bucket?...

Bucket.

[jipops]

When Tre goes to the bench we always play better...not a good sign

That's not true. Maybe today, but not generally.

Nice 1st half. I like how we stuck with the zone even when Wake was hitting from deep early.

[karmacoma]

Bucket.

Solid first half. Tighten up that D, sink those free throws, get Grayson going in the second half. Let's go Duke!

[Hauerwas]

We played that last minute like we were up 30. As bad as Wake played the last 6 minutes we are still only 13 up due to really poor offensive execution. This felt like a half where we should be up 20 or more and the game should be over. It's that lack of ability to put the boot on the neck that young teams seem to not know how to do which allows room for a bad team to just hang around.

[Bay Area Duke Fan]

What’s happened with Grayson’s outside shot?

[Phoenix22]

Grayson going for triple double? 7 ast, 6 reb.

[jipops]

Solid first half. Tighten up that D, sink those free throws, get Grayson going in the second half. Let's go Duke!

I think Grayson has had a fantastic 1st half. Check out his rebound and assist numbers. And this may have been one of the better defensive halves he has had. I hope all of it continues in the 2nd. If he hits more shots that is just gravy.

[karmacoma]

I think Grayson has had a fantastic 1st half. Check out his rebound and assist numbers. And this may have been one of the better defensive halves he has had. I hope all of it continues in the 2nd. If he hits more shots that is just gravy.

I completely agree. All around solid game by Grayson. I just like me some gravy.

[accfanfrom1970]

Both teams shooting a higher % from 3 than 2. That's with Grayson 0-2 . Wake shooting 50% from 3, need to slow that down.

[drummerdevil]

The refs need to calm down. A couple terrible calls already.

[AGDukesky]

Grayson going for triple double? 7 ast, 6 reb.

When was Allen’s last 8-point half? Seems like forever with his recent shooting...

[karmacoma]

Up and down 4 minutes. Two threes from our bigs, coast-to-coast from MBIII, but three turnovers.

[Hauerwas]

Duval having yet another rough day trying to make the spectacular play when the average play is available. He's constantly looking for the highlight reel pass instead of making the simple play. It's January, this should be improving at this point.

[karmacoma]

Duval having yet another rough day trying to make the spectacular play when the average play is available. He's constantly looking for the highlight reel pass instead of making the simple play. It's January, this should be improving at this point.

And another turnover. At least 5 this half. Clean it up, guys!

[Hauerwas]

Duval's poor decision making is maddening.

[WVDUKEFAN]

What’s happened with Grayson’s outside shot?

I asked the same question after he went 2-9 the last game.

[karmacoma]

Bagley is so, so gifted offensively.

[gep]

Grayson might have a unique double-double. Rebounds and assists

[arnie]

Grayson might have a unique double-double. Rebounds and assists

Yep, starting guards (Allen and Duval) have a total of one FG

[Sixthman]

Horrible officiating. Bagley intentionally fouled while shooting.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Duval having yet another rough day trying to make the spectacular play when the average play is available. He's constantly looking for the highlight reel pass instead of making the simple play. It's January, this should be improving at this point.

Independent of not liking the repeated negativity, both ESPN and SCACC Hoops box scores have Duval with zero turnovers.

[Bluedog]

I apparently was out of the loop and missed the fact that Coach K was out this game (and I wasn't paying that close attention in the first half as I had sound off). But I was thinking, "Man, Coach is really changing his strategy and playing a lot of bench!" With Jrob, AC, Goldwire, and Vrank getting first half minutes. Then I just saw them show Capel standing on sideline, hahaha. Clearly, they have different in game coaching strategies. (Which is fine as they're different people. I'm sure even K would tell Capel to do it his own way and not try to be Coach K). Also playing a lot of zone. I knew something was weird...

[WVDUKEFAN]

MB got clobbered

[accfanfrom1970]

Get carter and bagley out before they get hurt. Wake big men fouling every time down.

[DU82]

MB got clobbered

Which time?

[pfrduke]

Does anyone know how to get one of those Marvin Bagley screaming face t shirts that some of the crazies were wearing? I would happily part with some of my hard earned green for one of those

[jipops]

No fg's in the last 4 minutes. But had it wrapped up anyways