FB: FSU 17, Duke 10

[Bob Green]

Discuss the game here. Duke opens as an 8 point underdog:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/

[Devilwin]

Discuss the game here. Duke opens as an 8 point underdog:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/

Two weeks ago I felt we had a chance in this one. Given the anemic offense, not so sure anymore. But in Cut I trust. Let's get better and win!

[devildeac]

Discuss the game here. Duke opens as an 8 point underdog:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/

I'm surprised at the f$u and -8. I'd have guessed at least 10, maybe 14 points.

[Devil549]

Need to start winning so we play later.....now for the game let's score some points!!!!

Hope our WRs and QB get on same page and we include the TEs.

GO DUKE!!!!

[OldPhiKap]

I'll be there, with DadPK (FSU grad), SonPK and DaughterPK (rooting for Duke or walking home), MomPK (rooting for familial peace), BILPK and NephewPK (Duke fans and lurkers, may have posting names don't know), and hopefully NeicePK and SisPK (Duke true blue).

Gotta defend home turf. That simple.

LGD!!

[TKG]

I'll be there, with DadPK (FSU grad), SonPK and DaughterPK (rooting for Duke or walking home), MomPK (rooting for familial peace), BILPK and NephewPK (Duke fans and lurkers, may have posting names don't know), and hopefully NeicePK and SisPK (Duke true blue).

Gotta defend home turf. That simple.

LGD!!


Are you guys the Osmonds?

[-bdbd]

I'm surprised at the f$u and -8. I'd have guessed at least 10, maybe 14 points.

Take a look at their play so far. They've had a TERRIBLE season to date, despite all of that talent... Their record is 1-3, and their only win was a less-than-impressive one touchdown survival versus Wake. That said, FSU surely will be a solid favorite in Durham. A big factor will be how FSU reacts to this weekend's embarrassing loss to one of their in-state rivals at home -- will they get DESPONDENT and down, mailing in the performance, or will they play ANGRY and inspired/determined ball??? :confused: Remember, they started this season with visions of playing in the Final-Four...

[OldPhiKap]

Are you guys the Osmonds?

More like the Waltons.

[budwom]

sounds like they want to give money away. By the way, Wake is a solid team. Our defense may prosper vs FSU, but without changes, our offense will be lucky to score.

[FadedTackyShirt]

In with my pal Lusty. Had some late cancellations, most notably our German friend, Snake, who now somehow associates ACC football with Nazis and the Civil War. Unwinding that was nearly as difficult as trying to explain Prohibition to him. Fortunately was some comic ROI in watching him futilely trying to explain it later to his incredulous 13 old daughter.

Snake's sneaky, so I suspect the real reason is he doesn't have a lot of faith in Duke's passing game against FSU's rangy athletic defense.

[Indoor66]

In with my pal Lusty. Had some late cancellations, most notably our German friend, Snake, who now somehow associates ACC football with Nazis and the Civil War. Unwinding that was nearly as difficult as trying to explain Prohibition to him. Fortunately was some comic ROI in watching him futilely trying to explain it later to his incredulous 13 old daughter.

Snake's sneaky, so I suspect the real reason is he doesn't have a lot of faith in Duke's passing game against FSU's rangy athletic defense.

What??????????? That is a confusing post. Anybody into translation?

[CDu]

I'm surprised at the f$u and -8. I'd have guessed at least 10, maybe 14 points.

That's more a statement about where FSU is than anything else. They have not looked good since the loss of their starting QB in the opener.

[OldPhiKap]

Any word on whether MBB will have an open practice before the game? I've heard rumors to that effect.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Any word on whether MBB will have an open practice before the game? I've heard rumors to that effect.

They should have open practice after the game, and the price of admission should be a ticket stub and a sunburn. Attendance would soar!

[Dukelogger]

I'd be thrilled to see Scott Bracey with more targets, and our entire slew of RB's much more involved in the first half. I think I could live with whatever outcome if I at least saw those two things. Real groundbreaking stuff here, I know, but it just seems like at this point it can't hurt.

[Highlander]

Would love to see the 0-17 streak come to an end this weekend. Despite our offensive struggles, this is the best chance we have had to knock of FSU in over a decade, and given how rarely we play them now it could be another decade before we get a better shot. I hope Daniel and TJ get on the same page this week.

[fidel]

In with my pal Lusty. Had some late cancellations, most notably our German friend, Snake, who now somehow associates ACC football with Nazis and the Civil War. Unwinding that was nearly as difficult as trying to explain Prohibition to him. Fortunately was some comic ROI in watching him futilely trying to explain it later to his incredulous 13 old daughter.

Snake's sneaky, so I suspect the real reason is he doesn't have a lot of faith in Duke's passing game against FSU's rangy athletic defense.

Get Plissken back on the field.

Your rules are really beginning to annoy me.

[weezie]

More like the Waltons.


So, the crew doesn't sound too motley...I guess?

I will cheer from the beach. Oat soda in hand.

[OldPhiKap]

So, the crew doesn't sound too motley...I guess?

I will cheer from the beach. Oat soda in hand.

Other than yours truly, a very unmotley crew.

I make up for the rest though.

Hope the soda has some scotch in it. Enjoy the beach!

[Reilly]

I'll be there, with DadPK (FSU grad), SonPK and DaughterPK (rooting for Duke or walking home), MomPK (rooting for familial peace), BILPK and NephewPK (Duke fans and lurkers, may have posting names don't know), and hopefully NeicePK and SisPK (Duke true blue).

Gotta defend home turf. That simple.

LGD!!


Are you guys the Osmonds?


More like the Waltons.

Or the Clampetts maybe -- do you refer to your pool as a cement pond?

[OldPhiKap]

Or the Clampetts maybe -- do you refer to your pool as a cement pond?

I have a pool and a pond. Pool, pond. Pond would be good for you . . . .

[sagegrouse]

I will be at the game on Saturday. I have read the rules, but I can't tell whether I will be allowed to bring binoculars. Any opinions?

[Devil in the Blue Dress]

I will be at the game on Saturday. I have read the rules, but I can't tell whether I will be allowed to bring binoculars. Any opinions?

Binoculars - yes
Binocular case or bag - no

[sagegrouse]

Binoculars - yes
Binocular case or bag - noThanks, Ditdb, Looks like binoculars need to be held on a shoulder strap or held in hand. I look forward to being at the game, I hope to see everyone -- but the revolving doors are shut.
Will be around campus for meetings and tour Thurs. eve, Friday all Day and Saturday all day,.

I woould like to get a group for dinner after the ball game. I'll see if I can come up with an affordable plan.

[Indoor66]

I have a pool and a pond. Pool, pond. Pond would be good for you . . . .

Only if it is a ceeeement pond.

[CameronBornAndBred]

Binoculars - yes
Binocular case or bag - no

I went in with my camera and camera bag. It's basically a 5 x 7" cube. IF they let that in, I don't see how they'd complain with the binocular bag, assuming you don't have really big lenses.

[Avvocato]

I have a pool and a pond. Pool, pond. Pond would be good for you . . . .

Such a classic reference. Well played.

[chrishoke]

Saturday's Uniform

7704

[devildeac]

Injury report?

[CameronBornAndBred]

Injury report?

The entire offense is listed as "probable" with bruised egos.

[devildeac]

The entire offense is listed as "probable" with bruised egos.

Optimistic then. At least they're not listed "out for season." :rolleyes:

[Avvocato]

Getting ready for tomorrow. Hope we had a good week of practice and the offense plays with some urgency (almost desperation). On the defensive side, just hope they can keep playing at a high level. They will be going up against top shelf athletes all over the FSU lineup. Cam Akers can be a problem. He's a young star. Like every week, we need to try and contain their running game and make their Freshman QB try and beat us. One thing I think the defense needs to be mindful of is the quarterback scrambling when the play breaks down. QB runs have killed us the past two weeks. It's hard to stop everything when you play against such athletes, but hopefully someone is spying him. Can't wait for tomorrow. Let's go Duke.

[fidel]

I am going to Uber in from the airport tomorrow. And back. Any logistics advice? Best drop-off point at Duke (I can walk), best pick up point?

[devildeac]

I am going to Uber in from the airport tomorrow. And back. Any logistics advice? Best drop-off point at Duke (I can walk), best pick up point?

I'd think the WaDuke hotel would be a good spot as it's convenient, close, maybe a 10 minute walk to WW, etc.

[sagegrouse]

I am going to Uber in from the airport tomorrow. And back. Any logistics advice? Best drop-off point at Duke (I can walk), best pick up point?

I always tell Uber to drop me off at the Chapel and pick me up there. It's only a 5-10 minute walk (and there is a chance that the driver can actually find the Chapel).

[Bob Green]

Game Day! As soon as I finish my coffee, I'm cranking up the car and heading to Durham.

[OldPhiKap]

Nice to be back on campus. LGD!!!

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Come on Duke! Let's look back on this weekend as "the week Duke beat FSU and got back on track" instead of, well, you know.

[TKG]

Lots of Garnet and Gold in WW this afternoon.

[riverside6]

Advanced live stats and play analysis for the game here...

https://www.scacchoops.com/florida-state-at-duke-football-live-stats-10142017

[AGDukesky]

I’ll watch one Duke drive to see if the team will keep this somewhat competitive and then likely find something else to watch...

[arnie]

I’ll watch one Duke drive to see if the team will keep this somewhat competitive and then likely find something else to watch...

FSU offense looks like a well-oiled machine. FSU defense looks like a well-oiled machine.

[AGDukesky]

Totally outclassed physically. Hope this losing streak ends before next season...

[arnie]

Totally outclassed physically. Hope this losing streak ends before next season...

Announcer sort of questioning our desire.

[CameronBlue]

Hard to believe but this 3 and 15 could actually be the ball game. Hard to see how Duke could come back from a 2 TD deficit. I see desire in the Devils, Duke just hasn't seen this combination of size and speed this year.

INT!!!!!!!!

Duke's still in it!

[duke09hms]

Nice! Tuned in to see us only down 7 and just in time for the INT!

[duke09hms]

See what happens when we run on 3rd and short?!
We convert! Not rocket science here

[DukieInBrasil]

just watched the replay of FSU's first score. Pathetic tackling. Like watching Keystone Kops. The 2nd safety tackled the other Duke safety instead of the FSU receiver.
I guess the interception in the red zone kinda makes up for it.

[arnie]

See what happens when we run on 3rd and short?!
We convert! Not rocket science here

Yep, hopefully can make it a game doing this.

[duke09hms]

just watched the replay of FSU's first score. Pathetic tackling. Like watching Keystone Kops. The 2nd safety tackled the other Duke safety instead of the FSU receiver.
I guess the interception in the red zone kinda makes up for it.

I don't want to hear about "cheetahs" for a long time.

[TKG]

Roper is an idiot.

[Billy Dat]

Roper is an idiot.

No need for a gimmick there.

[TKG]

Roper should be calling plays on Friday nights.

[mattman91]

Roper is an idiot.

Roper = Shula

[duke09hms]

Nah not even mad at that INT. We know our redzone offense is garbage. Might as well try something new.

Roper is terrible tho.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Roper is an idiot.
Just amazing. It’s like he tries to find new and creative ways of killing drives.

[mattman91]

why not use a TO and try to score?

[Wander]

why not use a TO and try to score?

I usually agree with you, but with this year's passing game against a good defense, I'm not sure trying to get an 80 yard score in 1 minute is more likely to result in Duke points than FSU points.

[TKG]

How many passes has Quentin Harris attempted this season?

[duke09hms]

Looks like Cut let Roper call plays again after haltime

[TKG]

Time for a flea flicker

[arnie]

Time for a flea flicker

Wow. Thanks to one big play and FSU penalties.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Whadayaknow! A running TD. Glad to see it.

[TKG]

Gimmick free drive = TD

[TKG]

Text book example of targeting.

[arnie]

Same committee on the UNC fraud ruling just decided that wasn’t targeting.

[jacone21]

Guess they ruled it was slightly right of the crown of his helmet. I've seen ejections this year for less contact.

[Papa John]

Text book example of targeting.

Aw, c'mon... If that was textbook example of targeting, then what UNC did was textbook definition of academic fraud... oh, wait... d'oh! Fancy that--NCAA officials presiding over both instances... Can you say, "inept?" I knew you could!

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

More Roper head scratchers. Wasted opportunity from great field position.

[NYBri]

WWWAAAAYYYYY too cute.

Play the game without the gimmicks.

[CameronBlue]

Coach Roper, My Turn My Turn to play QB!! Can I go in Coach, can I, huh can I!!

[Sixthman]

Drive killing play calling.

[TKG]

What is the expectation for Harris in the Wildcat?

[cbarry]

Can we please quit shuttling QBs?!! No continuity in our O. I agree with most on this board that Zac Roper needs to go.

[arnie]

These announcers speak their mind with honest opinions - refreshing. I’m sure the NCAA and coaches not gonna be happy.

[TKG]

These announcers speak their mind with honest opinions - refreshing. I’m sure the NCAA and coaches not gonna be happy.

What is this NCAA of which you write?

[6th Man]

Unreal that you could have replay and not get a targeting call. Also...the substitutions for Daniel Jones are beyond perplexing today!!! I’d love to hear Cut’s rationale.

[YmoBeThere]

What is this NCAA of which you write?

Ancient history I think. Or it soon will be.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Unreal that you could have replay and not get a targeting call. Also...the substitutions for Daniel Jones are beyond perplexing today!!! I’d love to hear Cut’s rationale.
Is it Cut or Roper?

[arnie]

What is this NCAA of which you write?

Oh they’ll still go after low hanging fruit - see NCSU b-ball player.

[Devilwin]

Whoever it is, they need to stop it...

[6th Man]

I don’t know the answer to that one, but I feel like Cut should be able to shut that down. Duke has historically done that during Cut’s tenure which leads me to believe it is something he likes to do. More at the goal line in years past.

[Devilwin]

I know this, that pass in the flat NEVER works, yet we are gonna try it 5-10 times a game..

[arnie]

Need huge defensive stand

[Duke79UNLV77]

The halfback option was open for a big play. Sometimes, the execution is to blame. We're in the game in the 4th quarter against FSU and still have a good chance for our 5th bowl game in 6 years. I'll take that over the pre-Cut years.

[arnie]

One more shot - 4 down territory on the drive

[cbarry]

Special teams: set up the return guy 50 yards from
the line of scrimmage. Easier to backpedal or run forward 5-8 yards vs. always getting the ball kicked over our heads. Geez.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

OMG that was pathetic.

[arnie]

One more shot - 4 down territory on the drive

I was wrong. Of course not fielding the punt hurt

[Wander]

Dude, catch that punt!

[arnie]

Special teams coach should be removed in next 30 minutes

[Eternal Outlaw]

You just can't throw a 2 yard pass with that time left that has any chance of being tackled in bounds, just not enough to gain there. Time killer

[Wander]

Pathetic clock management ruins what was shaping up to be the best drive of the season. Not only not spiking the ball, but making that short pass in the first place when you have no time outs. WTF?

[Devilwin]

Pathetic... We could've won this. That no call on the targeting looms very large now.

[ipatent]

Respectable showing again by the defense, you're not going to win many games against top programs scoring ten points.

[mattman91]

Respectable showing again by the defense, you're not going to win many games against top programs scoring ten points.

I get that FSU is historically a strong program, but this FSU team is hot garbage. Could have easily won this one.

[6th Man]

I think that missed targeting penalty was big. Im guessing we would have picked up some penalty yards had it been called and would have been in great field position.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

I think that missed targeting penalty was big. Im guessing we would have picked up some penalty yards had it been called and would have been in great field position.
Which would have been followed by a pass to the flat, a non-run by QH, and a missed deep pass.

[duke09hms]

Pathetic clock management ruins what was shaping up to be the best drive of the season. Not only not spiking the ball, but making that short pass in the first place when you have no time outs. WTF?

We need a new OC. Roper should go back to ST coach, dude has no business running an offense. Comically inept.
Wonder if Cut's assistants were this bad at Ole Miss ... can definitely understand his firing there if the cronyism was particularly egregious.

Roper's decisions are classic for young insecure OCs trying to demonstrate how clever they can be. Bringing in Harris in on 3rd down in the 4th quarter is unfair to the team and to the player. We can't even run a 2-minute drill. Such a joke.
Britt Brown had only 6 carries averaging 7+ypc. Shaun Wilson had only 13 carries averaging 5+ypc. Until the last drive, Daniel Jones was averaging <5ypa.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

We need a new OC. Roper should go back to ST coach, dude has no business running an offense. Comically inept.
Wonder if Cut's assistants were this bad at Ole Miss ... can definitely understand his firing there if the cronyism was particularly egregious.

Roper's decisions are classic for young insecure OCs trying to demonstrate how clever they can be. Bringing in Harris in on 3rd down in the 4th quarter is unfair to the team and to the player. We can't even run a 2-minute drill. Such a joke.
Britt Brown had only 6 carries averaging 7+ypc. Shaun Wilson had only 13 carries averaging 5+ypc. Until the last drive, Daniel Jones was averaging <5ypa.

Our hurry-up, under duress offense looks so much more exciting and productive that our go to sets.

[hudlow]

I'm beginning to really hate that Geico "Sweet Caroline" commercial...

[YmoBeThere]

I'm beginning to really hate that Geico "Sweet Caroline" commercial...

It isn't a GEICO commercial...

[heyman25]

Daniel Jones can't seem to make winning plays and Roper's decision making I agree is suspect!

[DU82]

We thought that the offensive sets and calls in the first half were a lot different than previous weeks. The delayed handoffs worked, and there were screens with blockers. Sometimes the execution wasn't there, but the play calling was at least encouraging. And, our WRs caught some balls. (Still dropped a few "easy" ones, though.)

I don't know why Brown's usage is so limited. I know he hurt his shoulder against the cheaters, and so I assume that his playing is limited. (Would love to hear something about this.) We noted that Wilson, when on the sideline, would run out of bounds often without contact. I'm guessing this is to reduce the chance of injury.

Jones still tends to zone in on his primary, without looking off him. His timing on longer passes is still off, either the receivers aren't getting down field as quick as expected (checked on the line?)

After the first series, it appeared it was going to be a long day. But the defense came back strong, and other than the one breakaway run, really was able to contain the faster/stronger 'noles. (And, instead of a long game, this one was over in less than three hours. The result of many running plays, few incompletes, and FSU running the clock down on most plays to reduce the offensive plays during the game.)

[Bob Green]

A competitive, enjoyable game which we were in to the end. I believe it is time for Coach Cutcliffe to hire an experienced Offensive Coordinator, but I am under no illusion that is actually going to happen.

On Jeremy McDuffie's interception, we should have been awarded 15 more yards for a Personal Foul on FSU. The tackle was clearly helmet-to-helmet contact with the FSU defender leading with the crown of the helmet.

[OldPhiKap]

Sorry that my "Eat Me" cake costume did not pull us through today, but great to see old and new friends at the game.

Gotta get it done against Pitt.

[ehdg]

A competitive, enjoyable game which we were in to the end. I believe it is time for Coach Cutcliffe to hire an experienced Offensive Coordinator, but I am under no illusion that is actually going to happen.

On Jeremy McDuffie's interception, we should have been awarded 15 more yards for a Personal Foul on FSU. The tackle was clearly helmet-to-helmet contact with the FSU defender leading with the crown of the helmet.

Totally agree with you Bob on both points. I totally didn't understand how they could call for a review and then rule that it wasn't Targeting!! Check out the damn replay and you'll see he lowered his helmet just before applying the hit and it was with the crown of his helmet!! We also need to work on our Special Teams. Specially on punt returns who ever gets that job must learn to catch it and not let it hit the ground and roll every damn time!!

[Bob Green]

Austin Parker was very good on punts today dropping four inside the 20.

[OZ]

A competitive, enjoyable game which we were in to the end. I believe it is time for Coach Cutcliffe to hire an experienced Offensive Coordinator, but I am under no illusion that is actually going to happen.On Jeremy McDuffie's interception, we should have been awarded 15 more yards for a Personal Foul on FSU. The tackle was clearly helmet-to-helmet contact with the FSU defender leading with the crown of the helmet.

Just got home in time to watch Miami pull another one out of their @#$.

Good game today... nice crowd... incredible weather... plenty of Nole fans (a couple sitting near us and others in restaurants were really friendly and complementary of our new stadium)
Some quick thoughts:
- FSU has a good team. Their young QB is getting better and their backs are major loads coming at you
- Jones looked better... passes sharper... Cut made it easier for him with simpler patterns and using TEs to block
- Thought OL did an ok job
- I still think we need to run more; and Brown needs more carries (but, no one seems to be listening to me)
- Need a new OC... some really questionable decisions at crucial times... not a fan of trick plays, nor substituting QBs (makes zero sense)
- Need to spend some time on clock management... spiking the ball would have saved us @ 12 seconds
- If special team's coach has no one in whom he has enough confidence, to let him catch the ball, then put him on the line to try to block it!!!
- Really tired of watching punts sail over returner's head and/or just letting the ball roll another 10-15 yards
- Thought our punting was MUCH improved today
- Defense bent today... never really broke (tired old cliché)... "bending" was result of a lot of missed tackles due to poor technique... not sure what happened there today
- If we are going bowling, we have six days to turn this around
- Agree the helmet-to-helmet was another blown call
- BC beat Louisville today... Cuse over Clemson last night... it's time we put it together and won games like today... certainly a winnable game
- That is all

[OldPhiKap]

Austin Parker was very good on punts today dropping four inside the 20.

Our punting was excellent.

Our punt "returning" was very frustrating.

[Bob Green]

Our punt "returning" was very frustrating.

Zero returns for zero yards.

[richardjackson199]

Just a lousy weekend in sports. Even the Panthers managed to blow it before the weekend began.

Happy to see improvement from last week's offense which was abysmal.

Much better days to come! :cool:

[Bob Green]

- Need a new OC... some really questionable decisions at crucial times... not a fan of trick plays, nor substituting QBs (makes zero sense)

- That is all

I agree 100 percent. Roper has to go. Coach Cutcliffe must hire an experienced OC who can make a difference such as Ben Albert has made with the defensive line.

[Bob Green]

Just a lousy weekend in sports.

Carolina and Maryland lost. :cool:

[chrishoke]

A competitive, enjoyable game which we were in to the end. I believe it is time for Coach Cutcliffe to hire an experienced Offensive Coordinator, but I am under no illusion that is actually going to happen.

On Jeremy McDuffie's interception, we should have been awarded 15 more yards for a Personal Foul on FSU. The tackle was clearly helmet-to-helmet contact with the FSU defender leading with the crown of the helmet.

Fire a coach is always the message board answer. For the past few years, folks were calling for our D Coordinator's head. He seems to be temporarily off the chopping block.

I agree it was a competitive and enjoyable game. TJs catch was the play of the year.

[TKG]

I agree 100 percent. Roper has to go. Coach Cutcliffe must hire an experienced OC who can make a difference such as Ben Albert has made with the defensive line.

I would be surprised if Cut dismisses Roper. Cut was fired at Ole Miss for his dogged allegiance to his assistants. Had Scottie not taken the job at ECU, my bet is he would still be the OC. (ECU is 1-5 this year, by the way).

[Bob Green]

Fire a coach is always the message board answer. For the past few years, folks were calling for our D Coordinator's head. He seems to be temporarily off the chopping block.

D Coordinator's head is off the chopping block due to the hire of Ben Albert as DL Coach. We need a blood transfusion on offense.

[chrishoke]

[QUOTE=Bob Green;1006804]D Coordinator's head is off the chopping block due to the hire of Ben Albert as DL Coach. We need a blood transfusion on offense.[/QUOTE

I would say most on the board agree with you. Also Ole Miss fans.

[jv001]

Some of the play calling is head scratching. The check down pass that went for a big loss was terrible. Throw it away and get back in the huddle. With the pass rush the defense is giving us, why not call for a screen pass or draw. I'm with Bob Green, we need a new OC. GoDuke!

[PDDuke85]

Many question the play calling by Roper and I agree. His qualification for the job was that of a loyal Lieutenant. That said, I would also put all assistants under the microscope for analysis. For me, I want a new OC, special teams coordinator, and receivers coach for Christmas.

Next up Pittsburgh. NC State seemed to run effectively today so unleash the running game.

[jimsumner]

Just a lousy weekend in sports. Even the Panthers managed to blow it before the weekend began.

Happy to see improvement from last week's offense which was abysmal.

Much better days to come! :cool:

It's even worse if you're a Yankees fan.

[ehdg]

It's even worse if you're a Yankees fan.

Hey least the Yanks are still playing while my Indians are already home for the holidays sadly. ;(

[hudlow]

It isn't a GEICO commercial...
OK...thanks, that still doesn't change anything.:)

[Acymetric]

Many question the play calling by Roper and I agree. His qualification for the job was that of a loyal Lieutenant. That said, I would also put all assistants under the microscope for analysis. For me, I want a new OC, special teams coordinator, and receivers coach for Christmas.

Next up Pittsburgh. NC State seemed to run effectively today so unleash the running game.

WR coach is tough because by all accounts Faris is a dynamite recruiter (not just for WRs but at many positions)...plus he was doing the job in '14 (Crowder), '15 (McCaffrey), and last year where the receiver issues were not quite as pronounced based on my recollection. He also happens to be a former Duke player which doesn't mean a free pass but has some weight. I also don't think our WR issues are about coaching/technique, I think it was bad talent evaluation and bad offensive schemes for our personnel. Neither is necessarily on the WR coach specifically. I do wonder if he has the chops for special team coaching? Maybe that would allow him to continue his recruiting efforts while allowing for some new ideas on offense.

[devildeac]

Unreal that you could have replay and not get a targeting call. Also...the substitutions for Daniel Jones are beyond perplexing today!!! I’d love to hear Cut’s rationale.

As folks said above and as we watched multiple replays of that at the game and I texted a couple folks, the COI ruled on that one. Pathetic ignorance/incompetence/dishonesty. Player safety? Pfffft.

[devildeac]

A competitive, enjoyable game which we were in to the end. I believe it is time for Coach Cutcliffe to hire an experienced Offensive Coordinator, but I am under no illusion that is actually going to happen.

On Jeremy McDuffie's interception, we should have been awarded 15 more yards for a Personal Foul on FSU. The tackle was clearly helmet-to-helmet contact with the FSU defender leading with the crown of the helmet.

Which would have also resulted in an ejection. As I mentioned above, pathetic and dangerous officiating. But, at least there weren't multiple bogus defensive holding and/or PI calls on our DB this week. I can only recall one and it was totally deserved.

[devildeac]

A competitive, enjoyable game which we were in to the end. I believe it is time for Coach Cutcliffe to hire an experienced Offensive Coordinator, but I am under no illusion that is actually going to happen.

On Jeremy McDuffie's interception, we should have been awarded 15 more yards for a Personal Foul on FSU. The tackle was clearly helmet-to-helmet contact with the FSU defender leading with the crown of the helmet.


1. As we were leaving WW yesterday, I even heard a DUMB member say, "Roper's gotta go."

2. Just read the article in the News and Observer and if the 15 yard penalty had been properly/correctly/honestly assessed, we'd have started that drive at about the f$u 38 yard line. :mad:

[FadedTackyShirt]

I get that FSU is historically a strong program, but this FSU team is hot garbage. Could have easily won this one.

Definitely a winnable game, but Cut doesn't have the athletes to compete with Clemson, Miami, and FSU. Devils played hard, but was frustrating to see FSU coast and still win.

Looked like they thought it was going to be a hot day and they'd wear Duke down and put the game away in the second half. Didn't play with a lot of poise and got rattled a bit, but still exploited a big raw talent advantage against a scrappy Duke team.

[peteandpete]

This season could have been magical. It can still be a good one. We finally have a legitimate Division I Defense (capital letter intentional). We have very good team speed and tackle well. Our offense can run the ball consistently well. Special teams play has improved with the exception of the colossal inability to field punts. I don't like to call out young people publicly, but this is egregious and applies to everyone the staff has put there for that purpose. The total disappearance of consistency in the passing game from a David Cutcliffe coached team is hard to explain. Fans are always going to be frustrated by play calling, and there is certainly an opportunity for improvement there - more running, misdirection or counter plays to take advantage of an opponent's pursuit, for example. The QB keeper seems to have disappeared from the playbook, too. Hope Daniel is healthy. Team health is certainly better than last year. Still need to work on better results from our play under further review opportunities (Miami lateral and targeting yesterday). And one observation on the final play, we had another receiver taking his time getting close to TJ on the final play (sort of watching) who could have had a chance to catch the ball after it was batted away. These guys should be at least 6-1 and ranked. They need to be pissed, angry, desperate. As we saw around the country this weekend, being "better" doesn't guarantee victory.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Next week against Pitt might be the last time this season Duke is favored. It is as close to a must win as our program can get right now if we want a successful conclusion to the season. We need positive momentum and we need it right now.

[Wander]

Fire a coach is always the message board answer. For the past few years, folks were calling for our D Coordinator's head. He seems to be temporarily off the chopping block.

I totally get what you're saying. It's easy to get a little irrational about the coaches when, say, we try a trick play and it doesn't work. Still, I'm having a hard time coming up with an explanation that doesn't involve poor coaching for our mysterious quarterback rotation yesterday or the fact that our guys think returning a punt is going to bring them seven years of bad luck. I don't know if firing coaches is the answer... but the answer DOES involve coaching decisions in some form, right?

[Bob Green]

Next week against Pitt might be the last time this season Duke is favored. It is as close to a must win as our program can get right now if we want a successful conclusion to the season. We need positive momentum and we need it right now.

We should be favored over Pitt next week and Army on November 11. I agree with you 100 percent next week is a must win game. The positive takeaway from yesterday is the team played solid in contrast to the dumpster fire game in Charlottesville. If Daniel Jones had completed 63 Percent of his passes last week, we beat Virginia by two touchdowns. But there is no time for the rear view mirror, win number five (and six) is out there in front. The team has to go earn it on the field.

EDIT: Hopefully Coach Cutcliffe takes a long look at the N.C. State - Pitt box score. State threw the ball 25 times for 198 yards, while running it 38 times for 248 yards.

[TKG]

Our margin for error is small. While our talent and coaching have improved with Cut's arrival, we are not talented enough to overcome a let down in any facet of the game to beat the teams in the upper half of the league. One week, our offensive line is the issue; the next week it is our WRs. Our DBs are not up to the task on a given week. Our kicking game is a weekly question mark. Special teams have their own set of challenges. We are an average ACC football team. QB has been inconsistent. The better teams can/do overcome an in-game deficiency. We are not at that level on a consistent basis.

Cut mentions how our team speed is the best he has seen as head coach in Durham. But as we saw against Miami and against Florida State, they are faster. I attended the Baylor game, the Miami game and the FSU game. I will be in WW on Saturday for the Pitt game.

Here, let me add the obligatory reference to how much better things are with Cut at the helm. We have played a much better brand of football over the past ten years and that makes watching th Blue Devils much more enjoyable. But, we are average ACC football team, in my opinion.

[brlftz]

..and tackle well... ummmmmm...:confused:

[Bob Green]

ummmmmm...:confused:

This year's Duke defense definitely tackles well. Yes, the FSU running backs broke some tackles yesterday but Jacques Patrick is a beast at 6'3" 235 pounds.

[budwom]

Next week against Pitt might be the last time this season Duke is favored. It is as close to a must win as our program can get right now if we want a successful conclusion to the season. We need positive momentum and we need it right now.

barring collapse, we should be solid favorites over Army.
As for Harris coming in for Jones: it seems we just telegraphed that the play would be a run each time. At least with Jones still in the game, they wouldn't necessarily assume that. Perplexing.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

We should be favored over Pitt next week and Army on November 11. I agree with you 100 percent next week is a must win game. The positive takeaway from yesterday is the team played solid in contrast to the dumpster fire game in Charlottesville. If Daniel Jones had completed 63 Percent of his passes last week, we beat Virginia by two touchdowns. But there is no time for the rear view mirror, win number five (and six) is out there in front. The team has to go earn it on the field.

EDIT: Hopefully Coach Cutcliffe takes a long look at the N.C. State - Pitt box score. State threw the ball 25 times for 198 yards, while running it 38 times for 248 yards.

Army is 5-2, and if we lose to Pitt might have a much better record than us in a few weeks. Granted, we could be favored over Pitt, Army, and Wake. Just not assuming much right now until we take care of business against Pitt.

[arnie]

Our margin for error is small. While our talent and coaching have improved with Cut's arrival, we are not talented enough to overcome a let down in any facet of the game to beat the teams in the upper half of the league. One week, our offensive line is the issue; the next week it is our WRs. Our DBs are not up to the task on a given week. Our kicking game is a weekly question mark. Special teams have their own set of challenges. We are an average ACC football team. QB has been inconsistent. The better teams can/do overcome an in-game deficiency. We are not at that level on a consistent basis.

Cut mentions how our team speed is the best he has seen as head coach in Durham. But as we saw against Miami and against Florida State, they are faster. I attended the Baylor game, the Miami game and the FSU game. I will be in WW on Saturday for the Pitt game.

Here, let me add the obligatory reference to how much better things are with Cut at the helm. We have played a much better brand of football over the past ten years and that makes watching th Blue Devils much more enjoyable. But, we are average ACC football team, in my opinion.

Agreed with all the above till I got to the last sentence. In the last 2 years we’ve beaten the cheaters twice😄 and no other ACC teams. We’re definitley a lower echelon ACC team, just hope we can win at least one more game in conference + Army. Re: Wake refrence upstream, we won’t be favored at Wake unless we roll up a few more wins.

[Wander]

Our margin for error is small. While our talent and coaching have improved with Cut's arrival, we are not talented enough to overcome a let down in any facet of the game to beat the teams in the upper half of the league. One week, our offensive line is the issue; the next week it is our WRs. Our DBs are not up to the task on a given week. Our kicking game is a weekly question mark. Special teams have their own set of challenges. We are an average ACC football team. QB has been inconsistent. The better teams can/do overcome an in-game deficiency. We are not at that level on a consistent basis.

I think you're oversimplifying things a little. We're consistently a good defensive team, with a good rushing game. We're very bad at passing offense (which keeps our running game from shining) and bizarrely atrocious at returning punts. I don't really see overall inconsistency as our main problem.

[fidel]

We finally have a legitimate Division I Defense (capital letter intentional). We have very good team speed and tackle well.

Tackling against the big runners was pathetic. Arm tackles that would have had me benched in high school. That said, the D line did not get pushed around. They pressured extremely well and caused all the chaos that kept us in it.

[sagegrouse]

Tackling against the big runners was pathetic. Arm tackles that would have had me benched in high school. That said, the D line did not get pushed around. They pressured extremely well and caused all the chaos that kept us in it.

Pathetic? We held FSU to 17 points. I thought the defense, especially after we got knocked back on the first drive, was pretty darned good. The FSU backs were beasts.

[Wander]

Pathetic? We held FSU to 17 points. I thought the defense, especially after we got knocked back on the first drive, was pretty darned good. The FSU backs were beasts.

Yeah, a bunch of people here are underrating FSU. They are not the title-contending powerhouse they sometimes are, but they're a very good team that has a deceptively bad record because they've played the #1 strength of schedule and had an easy win canceled due to a hurricane. If they played Wisconsin's schedule, they'd probably be undefeated and ranked in the top ten.

[kexman]

I'm surprised with the success that cutcliff has had at Duke and doubly surprised that it wasn't with a pass happy airial attack that was able to recruit great qb's and wr that put up 40 points per game.

[sagegrouse]

Yeah, a bunch of people here are underrating FSU. They are not the title-contending powerhouse they sometimes are, but they're a very good team that has a deceptively bad record because they've played the #1 strength of schedule and had an easy win canceled due to a hurricane. If they played Wisconsin's schedule, they'd probably be undefeated and ranked in the top ten.

Here are FSU's points by game --

Alabama -- 7
NC State -- 21
Wake -- 26
Miami -- 20
Duke -- 17

[AtlDuke72]

Here are FSU's points by game --

Alabama -- 7
NC State -- 21
Wake -- 26
Miami -- 20
Duke -- 17

There sure is a lot of whining on this Board for only losing to Florida State by 7 lousy points. Some of our posters have very short memories.

[OldPhiKap]

OPK take:

1. Defense played well. We could not make some critical third down stops in the fourth quarter though that hurt. Overall, giving up 17 to FSU not bad. Their QB is getting better, and drilled some passes on the sidelines. Their backs are huge.

2. Offense ran well, passed fair. Not as up in arms about the play calling overall as some, although the Q Harris package just not working. Don't mind the trick halfback pass, although on third and 3 it was odd. Same with Harris package third and short. We should have a few go-to plays to get the yardage without the gimmicks.

3. Kicking game, other than the one OB kickoff, was very solid.

4. Return game nonexistent.


Realistically, the FSU and Miami results are not out of line. UVA was disappointing although they are much improved.

Beat Pitt, and the ship is righted.

[Reilly]

...
Realistically, the FSU and Miami results are not out of line. UVA was disappointing although they are much improved.

Beat Pitt, and the ship is righted.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017-ratings.html

Duke is #43 per SRS.

We lost to the teams above us -- #7 (Mia), #21 (FSU), #42 (UVA).

We beat the teams below us -- #59 (NU), #90 (UNC), #106 (Baylor), #XX (Central).

We have two games left against teams below us: #70 Army and this week against #91 Pitt. Take care of those and get bowl-eligible.

We have three games left against teams above us: #22 WFU, #27 GT, #30 VT.

[Devil549]

On the pass by Wilson he has to miss long not short as he did. I still think we should run the ball 1 & 2 down until the other team gets us where we are 3rd and 6-8 yards to go.

Also more play action pass plays Brown scored on a fake pass then a draw play basically.

Best defense I have seen at Duke in years.

[budwom]

On the pass by Wilson he has to miss long not short as he did. I still think we should run the ball 1 & 2 down until the other team gets us where we are 3rd and 6-8 yards to go.

Also more play action pass plays Brown scored on a fake pass then a draw play basically.

Best defense I have seen at Duke in years.

yeah, the Wilson pass was disastrous. He threw it so high I had to chance to get to the bathroom and back before it came down...bad echo from the previous week when we ran it down the field, only to pass on fourth and one.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017-ratings.html

Duke is #43 per SRS.

We lost to the teams above us -- #7 (Mia), #21 (FSU), #42 (UVA).

We beat the teams below us -- #59 (NU), #90 (UNC), #106 (Baylor), #XX (Central).

We have two games left against teams below us: #70 Army and this week against #91 Pitt. Take care of those and get bowl-eligible.

We have three games left against teams above us: #22 WFU, #27 GT, #30 VT.

I feel like we have a better chance of winning ONE game against the three better opponents than BOTH games against the lesser ranked ones.

[uh_no]

There sure is a lot of whining on this Board for only losing to Florida State by 7 lousy points. Some of our posters have very short memories.

I'm sure that's what Cut said in the locker room after the game, as well. "Job well done, boys! Remember the days when we'd get blown out by FSU?"

[CameronBornAndBred]

I'm sure that's what Cut said in the locker room after the game, as well. "Job well done, boys! Remember the days when we'd get blown out by FSU?"

A person in the locker room after the game quoted Cut as saying "there are no moral victories".

[uh_no]

A person in the locker room after the game quoted Cut as saying "there are no moral victories".

That sounds about right.

You don't get better by ever being satisfied...whether winning, or losing a tight game.

It's important to understand that we did some things well. There are scant few here that don't see a lot of positives from the game.

But it's doing a disservice to what this team is capable of to not identify the things we DID do poorly.

We have some really really good players on this team. We should be disappointed by a loss against anyone on our schedule this year.

[rasputin]

A person in the locker room after the game quoted Cut as saying "there are no moral victories".

At C*rolina, there are only immoral victories.

[CameronBornAndBred]

We have some really really good players on this team. We should be disappointed by a loss against anyone on our schedule this year.

100% agree. I was thinking earlier today about how in the preseason, we heard from the coaches, including Cutcliffe, that "this is the fastest and most talented team we've ever had playing for us". And here we are in a three game skid.
Something doesn't add up. Miami was a better team, Virginia wasn't.

[TruBlu]

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017-ratings.html

Duke is #43 per SRS.

We beat the teams below us -- #59 (NU), #90 (UNC), #106 (Baylor), #XX (Central).




#90 (unc)

:)

[FadedTackyShirt]

Devils played smart and hard. Had FSU gone up 14-3 in the second quarter, team might have folded. Got the stops they needed and that gave them a little spark.

Interception off the flea flicker was a back breaker and stalled out the momentum. Was really proud of how the defense stayed home on the reverse and stymied FSU. They seemed arrogant and were befuddled they couldn't put Duke away purely on athleticism.

Hadn't been to a football game in Durham in 20 years and was pleasantly surprised. Stanford's and Minnesota's new stadiums are functional, but have a minor league baseball/erector set vibe. Nice job retaining the original feel to WW while updating. Sat in the Club Level and it was really nice. Wider spacing than most places and the shared perches between seats is a nice touch.

[OldPhiKap]

Devils played smart and hard. Had FSU gone up 14-3 in the second quarter, team might have folded. Got the stops they needed and that gave them a little spark.

Interception off the flea flicker was a back breaker and stalled out the momentum. Was really proud of how the defense stayed home on the reverse and stymied FSU. They seemed arrogant and were befuddled they couldn't put Duke away purely on athleticism.

Hadn't been to a football game in Durham in 20 years and was pleasantly surprised. Stanford's and Minnesota's new stadiums are functional, but have a minor league baseball/erector set vibe. Nice job retaining the original feel to WW while updating. Sat in the Club Level and it was really nice. Wider spacing than most places and the shared perches between seats is a nice touch.

Agree, really impressed with the new WW.

[FadedTackyShirt]

Also big ups to the JB Duke Hotel. Huge upgrade over the Thomas Center. Rooms in the Tower are comparable to a Westin. Thomas Center was more Courtyard by Marriott.

Downtown Derm also has it going on. Lots of new great eating/drinking options between DAP and the Hotel Durham.

[devildeac]

#90 (unc)

:)

debbie crowder must have helped with the "grading" on that ranking. :mad:

[devildeac]

Also big ups to the JB Duke Hotel. Huge upgrade over the Thomas Center. Rooms in the Tower are comparable to a Westin. Thomas Center was more Courtyard by Marriott.

Downtown Derm also has it going on. Lots of new great eating/drinking options between DAP and the Hotel Durham.

Reviews forthcoming? ;)

[johnb]

The Jones substitutions seemed dumb prospectively and retrospectively. Unless they needed to talk to him about something, it's just an error.

The spearing call was obvious and could have change the game.

FSU used to joke that they should bring practice cleats to Duke.

We were a break or two away from a win. Regardless of what Cut said to his team, this was a solid game marked by a lot of terrific plays. We could win any or all of the rest of the games. I just don't understand the negativity after losing to FSU by a touchdown.

[sagegrouse]

Also big ups to the JB Duke Hotel. Huge upgrade over the Thomas Center. Rooms in the Tower are comparable to a Westin. Thomas Center was more Courtyard by Marriott.

Downtown Derm also has it going on. Lots of new great eating/drinking options between DAP and the Hotel Durham.

Downtown Derm is unrecognizable to us old-timers, with the exception of the CCB building, which now houses the 21 C Museum hotel. Five Points, everything else is gone -- not missed, of course, but gone.

[budwom]

Downtown Derm is unrecognizable to us old-timers, with the exception of the CCB building, which now houses the 21 C Museum hotel. Five Points, everything else is gone -- not missed, of course, but gone.

Mateo Tapas in place of the Book Exchange is perfect. Yeah, downtown is amazing, especially relative to the old days. For me, the only recognizable thing is the NC Mutual Insurance building...

[Papa John]

The Jones substitutions seemed dumb prospectively and retrospectively. Unless they needed to talk to him about something, it's just an error.

The spearing call was obvious and could have change the game.

FSU used to joke that they should bring practice cleats to Duke.

We were a break or two away from a win. Regardless of what Cut said to his team, this was a solid game marked by a lot of terrific plays. We could win any or all of the rest of the games. I just don't understand the negativity after losing to FSU by a touchdown.

Agree wholeheartedly with this assessment. At the beginning of the season, this was a team that many projected as a 7-win team if folks stayed healthy, with a possibility of things swinging a game or two in either direction depending upon how the ball bounced on game day. Right now, we're still looking at a team that has a high probability of 7 wins, with the potential to swing in either direction depending upon how the ball bounces on game day. Miami and FSU were high probability losses coming into the season. UVa is the only surprise in the loss column, but not a big one—that's a rapidly improving Bronco Mendenhall team that we faced on the road, losing in a close battle.

I don't understand all the bellyaching from folks coming off of a 4-8 season. Could the passing game be better? Sure. Clearly, it's a work in progress. But I like what I see from both lines, particularly the defensive line (and linebackers)—ultimately, if you want to be an elite football team, you must build from the trenches. The goal this year is to get to a bowl and watch the youth movement mature. That's still well within our sights.

[ehdg]

Agree wholeheartedly with this assessment. At the beginning of the season, this was a team that many projected as a 7-win team if folks stayed healthy, with a possibility of things swinging a game or two in either direction depending upon how the ball bounced on game day. Right now, we're still looking at a team that has a high probability of 7 wins, with the potential to swing in either direction depending upon how the ball bounces on game day. Miami and FSU were high probability losses coming into the season. UVa is the only surprise in the loss column, but not a big one—that's a rapidly improving Bronco Mendenhall team that we faced on the road, losing in a close battle.

I don't understand all the bellyaching from folks coming off of a 4-8 season. Could the passing game be better? Sure. Clearly, it's a work in progress. But I like what I see from both lines, particularly the defensive line (and linebackers)—ultimately, if you want to be an elite football team, you must build from the trenches. The goal this year is to get to a bowl and watch the youth movement mature. That's still well within our sights.

I understand and mostly agree with your points. The bellyaching is cause of the UVA game imo. The offense is that game was worse then bad!! Plus the play calling was really lousy in both the Miami and UVA games. If it wasn't for the Defense in the UVA game we would have been blown out cause our offense really did nothing. We scored 14 points cause of the defense and a great return by Wilson on a punt. I do agree this team is much improved and so much better then last year. I just would like to see a better called game offensively by our OC and our WR's catch the ball more. They are dropping still too many passes. Also with the 2 really good RB's we have we definitely should be running the ball more. Just my thoughts.

[FadedTackyShirt]

Reviews forthcoming? ;)

Ran into a crew of ~ 15 guys post-game who have a 30 year annual Duke football game streak going. Our annual Duke hoop streak only dates to the Have You Driven a Ford Lately game in '96. Only have Notre Dame and Lville left to see in CIS, so looking to expand into football too.

Used to always stay at the Thomas Center or Washington Duke, but Derm post-game options were limited, so we started staying in CH (treasonous, I know), since we could walk to multiple spots pre and post-game.

New options in Derm and Uber/Lyft are game changers, so we audibled out of our planned microbrew pub crawl and into outdoor seating options since the weather was perfect.

Plan was beers and appetizers at multiple outdoor spots. All had pretty good beers (with one notable exception which will detail in the beer thread).

Really liked Geer Street Garden: cool laid back vibe, good beers, schweeet patio.

Blue Note was pretty good: good beers/food, picnic tables out back, directly across the street from DAP.

Really liked the rooftop deck at the Durham Hotel, but did have a crappy beer. Curious how the rooms are since it's a great location for good weather football weekends. Same question about rooms at the 21C Museum Hotel.

Our crew loves Crunkleton in CH, so need to find a Derm craft cocktail alternative for a nightcap. Alley Twenty Six was promising: great food and really good drinks. Didn't hit Bar Virgile, but that might work too.

Best guess: downtown for football and JB Duke for hoops. Can walk/Uber along microbrew pub crawl in Jan/Feb when not feasible to sit outside.

[devildeac]

Ran into a crew of ~ 15 guys post-game who have a 30 year annual Duke football game streak going. Our annual Duke hoop streak only dates to the Have You Driven a Ford Lately game in '96. Only have Notre Dame and Lville left to see in CIS, so looking to expand into football too.

Used to always stay at the Thomas Center or Washington Duke, but Derm post-game options were limited, so we started staying in CH (treasonous, I know), since we could walk to multiple spots pre and post-game.

New options in Derm and Uber/Lyft are game changers, so we audibled out of our planned microbrew pub crawl and into outdoor seating options since the weather was perfect.

Plan was beers and appetizers at multiple outdoor spots. All had pretty good beers (with one notable exception which will detail in the beer thread).

Really liked Geer Street Garden: cool laid back vibe, good beers, schweeet patio.

Blue Note was pretty good: good beers/food, picnic tables out back, directly across the street from DAP.

Really liked the rooftop deck at the Durham Hotel, but did have a crappy beer. Curious how the rooms are since it's a great location for good weather football weekends. Same question about rooms at the 21C Museum Hotel.

Our crew loves Crunkleton in CH, so need to find a Derm craft cocktail alternative for a nightcap. Alley Twenty Six was promising: great food and really good drinks. Didn't hit Bar Virgile, but that might work too.

Best guess: downtown for football and JB Duke for hoops. Can walk/Uber along microbrew pub crawl in Jan/Feb when not feasible to sit outside.

Excellent info for downtown Derm as we have season tix for the DPAC and are always looking for pre-theatre dining/beverage options. Thanks!

[FadedTackyShirt]

When did the Bull City pride hand gesture (fists together with thumbs out) start? We'd never seen it before, pretty cool.

[uh_no]

When did the Bull City pride hand gesture (fists together with thumbs out) start? We'd never seen it before, pretty cool.

I like it.