2019 Men's Basketball Recruiting

[BD80]

We're falling behind:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25256582/ucla-accepts-commitment-from-13-year-old-star-lamelo-ball

[roywhite]

Well, we have some experience in grabbing a guy who made an early verbal commitment to UCLA, though we may not want to repeat it.

Taylor King announced a commitment to UCLA when he was in 8th Grade, but came to Duke, and then on to Villanova, and then kind of lost in a cloud of smoke.

[mattman91]

Well, we have some experience in grabbing a guy who made an early verbal commitment to UCLA, though we may not want to repeat it.

Taylor King announced a commitment to UCLA when he was in 8th Grade, but came to Duke, and then on to Villanova, and then kind of lost in a cloud of smoke.

I see what you did there :cool:

[BD80]

Per Adam Zagoria tweet:

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/757324632827564033

Duke has offered Matthew Hurt, of Rochester MN. 6' 9" Sophomore SF/PF

Also has offers from: UNC, KU, OSU, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Oregon, Florida, and Xavier. +UCLA

Older brother is a Freshman at Minnesota.

[mr. synellinden]

I was perusing the ESPN rankings/database for 2019 and came across this:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/216470/cherokee-parks

I assume that has to be the Chief's son.

[BD80]

I was perusing the ESPN rankings/database for 2019 and came across this:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/216470/cherokee-parks

I assume that has to be the Chief's son.

A 6'3" 160# Cherokee? That's a Little Big Man!


I suppose that it "has to be" the Chief's son. Tells you a lot about Sr's personality that he would continue the naming tradition that his "hippie" parents started with him.

I wouldn't mind seeing a legacy or two pop up on Duke's roster, but I'm really hoping to see Shelden's and Candace's sons!

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Per Adam Zagoria tweet:

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/757324632827564033

Duke has offered Matthew Hurt, of Rochester MN. 6' 9" Sophomore SF/PF

Also has offers from: UNC, KU, OSU, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Oregon, Florida, and Xavier. +UCLA

Older brother is a Freshman at Minnesota.

I'd be surprised if he has a UNC offer just yet, despite what Zags says. Roy is usually painfully slow to offer and none of the other sites I follow show an offer to him yet.

[English]

I'd be surprised if he has a UNC offer just yet, despite what Zags says. Roy is usually painfully slow to offer and none of the other sites I follow show an offer to him yet.

Funny you say that--as soon as I read that list of offers and UNC popped up, I thought, "wow, when is the last time Roy offered a prospect like that before K." That may be oversimplifying things, but it certainly seems that, lately, you can bet on a Roy offer coming within a week of a K offer. Fair or not, that's been my impression over the past few recruiting periods.

[ChillinDuke]

Funny you say that--as soon as I read that list of offers and UNC popped up, I thought, "wow, when is the last time Roy offered a prospect like that before K." That may be oversimplifying things, but it certainly seems that, lately, you can bet on a Roy offer coming within a week of a K offer. Fair or not, that's been my impression over the past few recruiting periods.

Define few. :D

- Chillin

[JasonEvans]

I suppose that it "has to be" the Chief's son. Tells you a lot about Sr's personality that he would continue the naming tradition that his "hippie" parents started with him.

I wouldn't mind seeing a legacy or two pop up on Duke's roster, but I'm really hoping to see Shelden's and Candace's sons!

I looked at some tape of him playing and, well, it is possible he is not the son of our Cherokee Parks.

[Bob Green]

Cherokee Parks...the Bishop Gorman HS version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGF4EHL0Qw

[mr. synellinden]

A 6'3" 160# Cherokee? That's a Little Big Man!


I suppose that it "has to be" the Chief's son. Tells you a lot about Sr's personality that he would continue the naming tradition that his "hippie" parents started with him.

I wouldn't mind seeing a legacy or two pop up on Duke's roster, but I'm really hoping to see Shelden's and Candace's sons!


Well, I've done some research and it appears that Chief has a son named Race (http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/varsity-times/la-sp-vi-teams-are-unveiling-talented-freshmen-in-summer-basketball-20140616-story.html).

But I don't think the 2019 Cherokee Parks is his son. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_LxX8zCHv4


** I see Bob already posted this. But Chief does have a son who plays whose name is Race.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Funny you say that--as soon as I read that list of offers and UNC popped up, I thought, "wow, when is the last time Roy offered a prospect like that before K." That may be oversimplifying things, but it certainly seems that, lately, you can bet on a Roy offer coming within a week of a K offer. Fair or not, that's been my impression over the past few recruiting periods.

I doubt a coach K, (or any other coach), offer has anything to do with how/who Roy recruits.

Roy has been watching this kid and UNC is definitely showing interest, but from what I read the kid plans to take his time on any decision and there's a long way to go, so there's really no rush to offer. He knows UNC's interested.

It's Roy's MO. He likes to take his time, show interest, and let the kids know it, tell them a UNC offer is special, that when you get one it means more than other schools.

He tells them, and I think he means it, that he likes to get to know them/family somewhat before he extends offers...beyond just because they have talent.

Even the obvious ones everybody knows you'd want, he is often late to offer. UNC fans love to complain about that tactic on these talented kids, but Roy does it how Roy does it.

[BD80]

I doubt a coach K, (or any other coach), offer has anything to do with how/who Roy recruits.

Roy has been watching this kid and UNC is definitely showing interest, but from what I read the kid plans to take his time on any decision and there's a long way to go, so there's really no rush to offer. He knows UNC's interested.

It's Roy's MO. He likes to take his time, show interest, and let the kids know it, tell them a UNC offer is special, that when you get one it means more than other schools.

He tells them, and I think he means it, that he likes to get to know them/family somewhat before he extends offers...beyond just because they have talent.

Even the obvious ones everybody knows you'd want, he is often late to offer. UNC fans love to complain about that tactic on these talented kids, but Roy does it how Roy does it.

You forgot to indicate that the bolded portion is a quote, a statement of opinion, not fact.

[JTH]

I'd be surprised if he has a UNC offer just yet, despite what Zags says. Roy is usually painfully slow to offer and none of the other sites I follow show an offer to him yet.

I posted this linked story about Roy's recruiting back in February under the 2016 Recruiting thread.

"I understand that they have offered at least three sophs. and have a commitment from two. One of the two is a 4 star and the other is a 3 star at this point (at least by 247 Sports.) The other soph. that has not committed is also a 3 star. All three are from my area and this story mentions their names and schools: http://www.independenttribune.com/sp...cd9d7d418.html"

Just my opinion, but offering three sophomores, none of which are higher than a four star recruit, doesn't seem slow to me.

[jv001]

I doubt a coach K, (or any other coach), offer has anything to do with how/who Roy recruits.

Roy has been watching this kid and UNC is definitely showing interest, but from what I read the kid plans to take his time on any decision and there's a long way to go, so there's really no rush to offer. He knows UNC's interested.

It's Roy's MO. He likes to take his time, show interest, and let the kids know it, tell them a UNC offer is special, that when you get one it means more than other schools.

He tells them, and I think he means it, that he likes to get to know them/family somewhat before he extends offers...beyond just because they have talent.

Even the obvious ones everybody knows you'd want, he is often late to offer. UNC fans love to complain about that tactic on these talented kids, but Roy does it how Roy does it.

Years ago, I thought that an offer from UNC was special, but that has proved to be incorrect. Well, it could mean special if you count a phony education/degree. GoDuke!

[Wheat/"/"/"]

I posted this linked story about Roy's recruiting back in February under the 2016 Recruiting thread.

"I understand that they have offered at least three sophs. and have a commitment from two. One of the two is a 4 star and the other is a 3 star at this point (at least by 247 Sports.) The other soph. that has not committed is also a 3 star. All three are from my area and this story mentions their names and schools: http://www.independenttribune.com/sp...cd9d7d418.html"

Just my opinion, but offering three sophomores, none of which are higher than a four star recruit, doesn't seem slow to me.

The only offer UNC has out now for '19 per my sources is wing Wendell Moore.

[El_Diablo]

Roy is usually painfully slow

We can all agree on this.

[mr. synellinden]

We can all agree on this.

Maybe he needs to get some tips from Pitino.

Don't forget to tip your waitress ... I'll be here all week.

[Pghdukie]

The only offer UNC has out now for '19 per my sources is wing Wendell Moore.

That's all I'm hearing also. But it sure is early ! Maybe by then the NCAA suits will have acted on the Dump.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

That's all I'm hearing also. But it sure is early ! Maybe by then the NCAA suits will have acted on the Dump.

Word just now out that Roy offered Matthew Hurt today.

Edit: don't see anywhere coach K has offered him yet.

[Wheat/"/"/"]

Word just now out that Roy offered Matthew Hurt today.

Edit: don't see anywhere coach K has offered him yet.

...other than Zags

[Troublemaker]

It's been about 9 months since anyone's posted in this thread, but some more Matthew Hurt news below.

Evan Daniels‏Verified account @EvanDaniels (https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels) 7h7 hours ago (https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/850394847244668928)
Mike Krzyzewski was in to see five-star 2019 prospect Matthew Hurt today, per his father. Bill Self & Roy Williams are expected next week.

[gam7]

It's been about 9 months since anyone's posted in this thread, but some more Matthew Hurt news below.

Evan Daniels‏Verified account @EvanDaniels (https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels) 7h7 hours ago (https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/850394847244668928)
Mike Krzyzewski was in to see five-star 2019 prospect Matthew Hurt today, per his father. Bill Self & Roy Williams are expected next week.


There's an Abbott and Costello routine somewhere in there with this kid's name.

[TruBlu]

If he comes to Duke, his middle name might well be changed to "Undisclosed".

[kAzE]

A 6'3" 160# Cherokee? That's a Little Big Man!


I suppose that it "has to be" the Chief's son. Tells you a lot about Sr's personality that he would continue the naming tradition that his "hippie" parents started with him.

I wouldn't mind seeing a legacy or two pop up on Duke's roster, but I'm really hoping to see Shelden's and Candace's sons!

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but they divorced awhile back. They did have 1 daughter, though.

[El_Diablo]

Maybe he is related to the man who designed the flooring surfaces in Cameron, the renowned R. Feete Hurt.

[Indoor66]

If he comes to Duke, his middle name might well be changed to "Undisclosed".

...Or Foot....

[Jim3k]

Might actually be related to Duke's very own 1961 captain, Howard Hurt.

Someone with better search skills can check.

[gam7]

Might actually be related to Duke's very own 1961 captain, Howard Hurt.

Someone with better search skills can check.

Well, Howard Hurt is not his father. According to his brother's basketball bio at Minnesota (http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/michael_hurt_1017580.html) (where he just finished his freshman year), his Dad's name is Richard Hurt, Jr.

[Indoor66]

Well, Howard Hurt is not his father. According to his brother's basketball bio at Minnesota (http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/michael_hurt_1017580.html) (where he just finished his freshman year), his Dad's name is Richard Hurt, Jr.

Maybe Howard changed his name? Actually, one can learn about our Howard Hurt here. (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?28253-A-Thread-On-Howard-Hurt)

[CDu]

Well, Howard Hurt is not his father. According to his brother's basketball bio at Minnesota (http://www.gophersports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/michael_hurt_1017580.html) (where he just finished his freshman year), his Dad's name is Richard Hurt, Jr.

If Howard Hurt was a captain in 1961, he would obviously not be the kid's father. He would be in his late 70s today, and in his 60s when Matthew Hurt was born. There is a a generation in between. Of course, if Matthew Hurt's dad is a Jr. and not named Howard, then Howard is not the grandfather either. Could be related still, but perhaps not a direct lineage.

[Spanarkel]

It's been about 9 months since anyone's posted in this thread, but some more Matthew Hurt news below.

Evan Daniels‏Verified account @EvanDaniels (https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels) 7h7 hours ago (https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/850394847244668928)
Mike Krzyzewski was in to see five-star 2019 prospect Matthew Hurt today, per his father. Bill Self & Roy Williams are expected next week.


If Matthew comes to Duke, he'll be able to have whatever locker he chooses.:)

[BD80]

... his Dad's name is Richard Hurt, Jr.

Poor Dick ...

[gam7]

If Howard Hurt was a captain in 1961, he would obviously not be the kid's father. He would be in his late 70s today, and in his 60s when Matthew Hurt was born. There is a a generation in between. Of course, if Matthew Hurt's dad is a Jr. and not named Howard, then Howard is not the grandfather either. Could be related still, but perhaps not a direct lineage.

Hugh Hefner had kids in his mid-60s!

[CDu]

Hugh Hefner had kids in his mid-60s!

Want to take a guess as to what percentage of men father children in their 60s? I am guessing it was less than 1% back in the early 2000s. And among those who fathered children past the age of 60, I am guessing it is likely limited primarily to the extremely wealthy (you have to have a female partner who is pre-menopausal). I feel quite confident in saying that Matthew Hurt's father is not in his 70s.

[brevity]

Hugh Hefner had kids in his mid-60s!

"Charlie Chaplin had kids when he was 73."
"Yeah, but he was too old to pick them up."

[gam7]

Want to take a guess as to what percentage of men father children in their 60s? I am guessing it was less than 1% back in the early 2000s. And among those who fathered children past the age of 60, I am guessing it is likely limited primarily to the extremely wealthy (you have to have a female partner who is pre-menopausal). I feel quite confident in saying that Matthew Hurt's father is not in his 70s.

Roughly the same likelihood as having a kid good enough to play college basketball at the ultra-elite level?

Mick Jagger just had a kid last year!

(You know I don't actually believe his dad is in his 70s, right? I am enjoying poking the bear a little bit though.)

[gam7]

"Charlie Chaplin had kids when he was 73."
"Yeah, but he was too old to pick them up."

This should put the issue to rest... http://www.postbulletin.com/sports/high_school/basketball/ruff-stuff-richard-hurt-rochester-basketball-parent/article_0b1f0dfc-f0e6-518e-bb8f-e3dbaf894ae9.html

[El_Diablo]

Roughly the same likelihood as having a kid good enough to play college basketball at the ultra-elite level?

Mick Jagger just had a kid last year!

(You know I don't actually believe his dad is in his 70s, right? I am enjoying poking the bear a little bit though.)

Having children very late in life is how President John Tyler (who took office in 1841) still has two living grandchildren.

Anyway, enough about that. We are talking about a different kind of Dick Hurt here.

[lotusland]

Poor Dick ...

Apparently I have to spread sporks around some...

[gam7]

A few weeks ago, Tyger Campbell, a high profile Top 25 point guard in 2019, made a very early commitment to ... DePaul, and is apparently reclassifying to 2018. The commitment came about a week after Dave Leitao hired Tyger's coach at La Lumiere as an assistant.

Tyger is high profile because (1) he is the starting point guard for La Lumiere, which won the Dick's high school national championship this year (along with 2017 McD AA's Brian Bowen and Jaren Jackson); (2) he used to play AAU with Marvin Bagley; and (3) he has amazing hair.

I would say that this is notable because (a) Tyger is a well-respected, lead guard with apparently great leadership tendencies even with good, older teammates; (b) he won't be OAD (if OAD even exists when he gets to college); and (c) I am not entirely convinced that Leitao will survive next season.

If he does reconsider that commitment, he would be a good back-up plan if things fall through with Jones or Garland.

[budwom]

"Charlie Chaplin had kids when he was 73."
"Yeah, but he was too old to pick them up."

I see your Charlie Chaplin and raise you to 74 year old Strom Thurmond...whose nickname among other senators was related to his evident virility.

[Olympic Fan]

I see your Charlie Chaplin and raise you to 74 year old Strom Thurmond...whose nickname among other senators was related to his evident virility.

I met Strom's (second) wife while in school at Duke. She was one class ahead of me. But I saw her a lot -- her steady date was one of my fraternity brothers. But it was strictly platonic. We all knew at the time that she was pledged to Strom and my frat brother was more like a chaperone than a date.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Duke has offered a player in the Class of 2019, Matthew Hurt, a 5-star small forward and Top 10 player in his class. Hurt hails from Minnesota, which has produced a few notable players for Duke, including the immortal Nick Horvath, Tyus Jones, and incoming freshman Gary Trent, Jr. I don't really know too much about Hurt other than that he is 6'8" and is in high demand from top tier colleges.

Hurt is the second player in the Class of 2019 to have been offered by Duke. The first is Canadian R.J. Barrett, the consensus top player in his class (if he remains in the Class of 2019). Barrett is a do-everything wing. His only apparent deficiency at this stage of his career is a streaky jump shot. That wasn't enough to hold him back in the recent U19 World Championships in which Barrett took down the USA team in the semis on the way to the World Championship. It seems that Duke is in good position with Barrett, who would be a heck of a wing for the Blue Devils. If you haven't read up about him, check out this profile from the Ringer: https://theringer.com/rj-barrett-fiba-u19-greatest-canadian-basketball-prospect-fbe374453d92

[Native]

the immortal Nick Horvath

Legend has it that Angelina Jolie is still idling out front of Cameron in a cherry-colored convertible...

[BD80]

Legend has it that Angelina Jolie is still idling out front of Cameron in a cherry-colored convertible...

Two of the three are still classics ...

[fraggler]

Looks like we already have a thread that got pushed back a few pages.

http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?38229-2019-Basketball-Recruiting

[duke79]

Two of the three are still classics ...

LOL, LOL........harsh.....very harsh!

[Indoor66]

Two of the three are still classics ...

And none of the classics are breathing.

[Pghdukie]

And none of the classics are breathing.

Curly, Moe, or Larry ?

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Duke has offered a player in the Class of 2019, Matthew Hurt, a 5-star small forward and Top 10 player in his class. Hurt hails from Minnesota, which has produced a few notable players for Duke, including the immortal Nick Horvath, Tyus Jones, and incoming freshman Gary Trent, Jr. I don't really know too much about Hurt other than that he is 6'8" and is in high demand from top tier colleges.

Hurt is the second player in the Class of 2019 to have been offered by Duke. The first is Canadian R.J. Barrett, the consensus top player in his class (if he remains in the Class of 2019). Barrett is a do-everything wing. His only apparent deficiency at this stage of his career is a streaky jump shot. That wasn't enough to hold him back in the recent U19 World Championships in which Barrett took down the USA team in the semis on the way to the World Championship. It seems that Duke is in good position with Barrett, who would be a heck of a wing for the Blue Devils. If you haven't read up about him, check out this profile from the Ringer: https://theringer.com/rj-barrett-fiba-u19-greatest-canadian-basketball-prospect-fbe374453d92
Unless schools in Canada have changed, a senior is in 13th grade, not 12th as in the U.S., so he (Barrett) may have enough classes/credits to graduate early.

[mattman91]

Unless schools in Canada have changed, a senior is in 13th grade, not 12th as in the U.S., so he (Barrett) may have enough classes/credits to graduate early.

It's just that grade 9 is much different from grade 8.

https://youtu.be/jWohhABEzJQ

[DavidBenAkiva]

Unless schools in Canada have changed, a senior is in 13th grade, not 12th as in the U.S., so he (Barrett) may have enough classes/credits to graduate early.

While R.J. Barrett is of Canadian birth and nationality, his current high school is Montverde Academy in Florida. A couple of notable players have graduated from Montverde lately, including D'Angelo Russell and Ben Simmons.

[flyingdutchdevil]

While R.J. Barrett is of Canadian birth and nationality, his current high school is Montverde Academy in Florida. A couple of notable players have graduated from Montverde lately, including D'Angelo Russell and Ben Simmons.

Barrett? Simmons? Is Montverde Academy linked to the British Empire? Can Montverde qualify for the Commonwealth games?

[phaedrus]

Unless schools in Canada have changed, a senior is in 13th grade, not 12th as in the U.S., so he (Barrett) may have enough classes/credits to graduate early.

This was only in Ontario, where, admittedly, they do believe they are all of Canada. However, it appears Grade 13 was phased out a few years ago.

[dukelion]

This was only in Ontario, where, admittedly, they do believe they are all of Canada. However, it appears Grade 13 was phased out a few years ago.

I can confirm this.....Ontario phased out Grade 13 some years back.

[NSDukeFan]

This was only in Ontario, where, admittedly, they do believe they are all of Canada. However, it appears Grade 13 was phased out a few years ago.


I can confirm this....Ontario phased out Grade 13 some years back.

I can also confirm that Ontario, and more specifically, Toronto, believes they are all of Canada.








In their defence, a third of Canada lives in Ontario and a good chunk of that is in the greater Toronto area.

[Spanarkel]

Duke has offered a player in the Class of 2019, Matthew Hurt, a 5-star small forward and Top 10 player in his class. Hurt hails from Minnesota, which has produced a few notable players for Duke, including the immortal Nick Horvath, Tyus Jones, and incoming freshman Gary Trent, Jr. I don't really know too much about Hurt other than that he is 6'8" and is in high demand from top tier colleges.

Hurt is the second player in the Class of 2019 to have been offered by Duke. The first is Canadian R.J. Barrett, the consensus top player in his class (if he remains in the Class of 2019). Barrett is a do-everything wing. His only apparent deficiency at this stage of his career is a streaky jump shot. That wasn't enough to hold him back in the recent U19 World Championships in which Barrett took down the USA team in the semis on the way to the World Championship. It seems that Duke is in good position with Barrett, who would be a heck of a wing for the Blue Devils. If you haven't read up about him, check out this profile from the Ringer: https://theringer.com/rj-barrett-fiba-u19-greatest-canadian-basketball-prospect-fbe374453d92

I can see Matthew's not knowing how to spell Coach K's name, but count me really surprised that he didn't know that Coach K was already in the Basketball Hall of Fame. I guess Matthew was about one years old when it happened.

http://www.kaaltv.com/sports/john-marshall-rockets-matthew-hurt-receives-d1-college-offer/4544996/

[DavidBenAkiva]

Multiple reports out there that Duke has offered 2019 5-Star guard Bryan Antoine. I'm not overly familiar with his game, but it appears that he is a good shooter, fairly athletic, and considered a top 10 players in his class. He plays alongside another top 10 guard, Scottie Lewis. The two are from New Jersey. It's not clear if Lewis is also a target of Duke at this point in time.

[Troublemaker]

Multiple reports out there that Duke has offered 2019 5-Star guard Bryan Antoine. I'm not overly familiar with his game, but it appears that he is a good shooter, fairly athletic, and considered a top 10 players in his class. He plays alongside another top 10 guard, Scottie Lewis. The two are from New Jersey. It's not clear if Lewis is also a target of Duke at this point in time.

Corey Evans‏ @coreyevans_10 (https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/890382793233924096)
Sean Miller, Coach K, Wright, Calipari, Willard, Kansas, Lville, Rutgers among those on hand for 5-star 2019s Bryan Antoine/Scottie Lewis

[Troublemaker]

Evan Flood‏Verified account @Evan_Flood (https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood) 1h1 hour ago (https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/890614448116776960)
Greg Gard, Roy Williams, Coach K, John Calipari, more watching @adidasD1MN (https://twitter.com/adidasD1MN) 2019 SF Matt Hurt. #adidasUprising (https://twitter.com/hashtag/adidasUprising?src=hash)


Ryan James‏ @RyanJamesMN (https://twitter.com/RyanJamesMN) 22m22 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/RyanJamesMN/status/890628227709915137)
Race Thompson scored 23 on 8 of 11 shots, made all 6 FTs. Matthew Hurt had 11/10 in front of Richard Pitino, Coach K, Roy Williams,Bill Self



(Self and Coach K talking)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFwcXNeU0AARyvY.jpg

[atoomer0881]

Evan Flood‏Verified account @Evan_Flood (https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood) 1h1 hour ago (https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/890614448116776960)
Greg Gard, Roy Williams, Coach K, John Calipari, more watching @adidasD1MN (https://twitter.com/adidasD1MN) 2019 SF Matt Hurt. #adidasUprising (https://twitter.com/hashtag/adidasUprising?src=hash)


Ryan James‏ @RyanJamesMN (https://twitter.com/RyanJamesMN) 22m22 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/RyanJamesMN/status/890628227709915137)
Race Thompson scored 23 on 8 of 11 shots, made all 6 FTs. Matthew Hurt had 11/10 in front of Richard Pitino, Coach K, Roy Williams,Bill Self



(Self and Coach K talking)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFwcXNeU0AARyvY.jpg

Is it me or do the ankles look better? haha

[Truth&Justise]

Fun night for Coach K, he also took time to watch a game with Shaq (https://twitter.com/D1Circuit/status/890422768465920000).

7551

(Coach K is on the right)

[atoomer0881]

Fun night for Coach K, he also took time to watch a game with Shaq (https://twitter.com/D1Circuit/status/890422768465920000).

7551

(Coach K is on the right)

Thanks for the clarification! I was super confused for a moment ;-)

[DavidBenAkiva]

And just like that, Duke has extended an offer to 2019 SF/SG Scottie Lewis. Lewis is the teammate of SG Bryan Antoine, who very recently received an offer of his own. The pair of them are among the Top 10 in the class. It's not clear that they intend to play together in college, but they haven't ruled it out, either. Here's Adam Zagoria's article (http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/07/27/scottie-lewis-bryan-antoine-now-duke-offers/)on the offer.

[dukelifer]

And just like that, Duke has extended an offer to 2019 SF/SG Scottie Lewis. Lewis is the teammate of SG Bryan Antoine, who very recently received an offer of his own. The pair of them are among the Top 10 in the class. It's not clear that they intend to play together in college, but they haven't ruled it out, either. Here's Adam Zagoria's article (http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/07/27/scottie-lewis-bryan-antoine-now-duke-offers/)on the offer.

Lewis looks like a Duke kid. Hope he decides to come.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Duke extended two offers yesterday to members of the class of 2019, Vernon Carey, Jr. (#1 in 247Sports) and Armando Bacot (Top 30).

Carey, a 6'9" forward form Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, is a big boy for a rising junior. He clocks in at 245 pounds but wears his weight well. The lefty appears to be a complete package: athletic, good post moves, shooting range out to the 3-point line, etc. Here's a highlight video displaying a variety of his skills:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZbKV5CaWm0

Bacot, a 6-10" forward from Richmond, Virginia, appears to be more of a traditional post player. He's planted near the hoop most often and displays a variety of back-to-the-basket moves and counters to score. He appears to be very high on Duke, which is nice. Follow this link to see video clips of Bacot from the NBPA Top 100 camp over the summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC3SkpdiaIM

The two forwards join other recruits in the Class of 2019, guards Bryan Antoine and Scottie Lewis and small forward Matthew Hurt. Bacot, no slouch of a recruit in his own right, is the first guy outside of the Top 10 that Duke has offered. I remember opining a few months ago in the 2018 thread that Duke might have been adjusting it's recruiting strategy to target guys in the 11-50 range to have a more stable roster of 2-4 year players. Boy was I wrong! Duke continues its trend of targeting the best in the class every year.

[mr. synellinden]

Rivals has put out their new top 150 rankings for the class of 2019 (https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2018):

[jimsumner]

Rivals has put out their new top 150 rankings for the class of 2019 (https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2018):

This is the link for 2019.

https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2019

[Neals384]

so, does LaMelo's shoe make him ineligible?

[Olympic Fan]

so, does LaMelo's shoe make him ineligible?

LaVar doesn't care: "The NCAA is not my boss":

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20554525/lavar-ball-brushes-lamelo-ball-eligibility-concerns-says-ncaa-not-my-boss

[JasonEvans]

LaVar doesn't care: "The NCAA is not my boss":

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20554525/lavar-ball-brushes-lamelo-ball-eligibility-concerns-says-ncaa-not-my-boss

I'm betting Melo plays overseas... perhaps China.

[CharlestonDave]

Lewis looks like a Duke kid. Hope he decides to come.

What does, " look like a Duke kid ", mean? Not sure what that is.Did Harry Giles, Jason Tatum, Austin Rivers, Justin Winslow, Kyrie Irving, Okafor, Jones , Parker , " look like Duke kids "?

[camion]

What does, " look like a Duke kid ", mean? Not sure what that is.Did Harry Giles, Jason Tatum, Austin Rivers, Justin Winslow, Kyrie Irving, Okafor, Jones , Parker , " look like Duke kids "?

You don't sound like you know much about Duke kids or Duke in general. Perhaps a history lesson is in order. Here is a sampling of some former Duke kids. You may get a hint, but unless you watched them play and watched how well they represented Duke as people I don't know if you will get it. Anyway it's a start.

Just follow the links.

Dick Groat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Groat)

Gene Banks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Banks)

Mike Gminski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gminski)

Jim Sparnakel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Spanarkel)

Grant Hill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Hill)

Steve Wojciechowski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wojciechowski)

Nate James (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_James_(basketball))

Shane Battier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Battier)

Tyler Thornton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Thornton)

Amile Jefferson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amile_Jefferson)

[ricks68]

What does, " look like a Duke kid ", mean? Not sure what that is.Did Harry Giles, Jason Tatum, Austin Rivers, Justin Winslow, Kyrie Irving, Okafor, Jones , Parker , " look like Duke kids "?

Gotta agree with you on that "Justin" Winslow kid, however. He was definitely not a Duke kid.😜

ricks

[slower]

What does, " look like a Duke kid ", mean? Not sure what that is.Did Harry Giles, Jason Tatum, Austin Rivers, Justin Winslow, Kyrie Irving, Okafor, Jones , Parker , " look like Duke kids "?

Now that I've seen a few of your posts, I'll be curious to see how your DBR persona develops. I'm certainly not going to call you a troll, but I think you qualify as a contrarian.

[camion]

What does, " look like a Duke kid ", mean? Not sure what that is.Did Harry Giles, Jason Tatum, Austin Rivers, Justin Winslow, Kyrie Irving, Okafor, Jones , Parker , " look like Duke kids "?


You don't sound like you know much about Duke kids or Duke in general. Perhaps a history lesson is in order. Here is a sampling of some former Duke kids. You may get a hint, but unless you watched them play and watched how well they represented Duke as people I don't know if you will get it. Anyway it's a start.

Just follow the links.


Once you've finished the homework. You can take the quick quiz below. It's fun. :)

Dick Groat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Groat)
How many times was Dick Groat honored as an all-american at Duke?

Gene Banks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Banks)
What Was Gene Banks's nickname?

Mike Gminski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gminski)
How old was Mike Gminski when he matriculated at Duke?

Jim Sparnakel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Spanarkel)
Why hasn't Jim Sparnakel's jersey been retired?

Grant Hill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Hill)
Grant Hill was on the throwing end and the receiving end of two legendary pass plays in the NCAA tournament. Can you describe them?

Steve Wojciechowski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wojciechowski)
Spell "Wojciechowski."

Nate James (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_James_(basketball))
Fill in the blank. Nate James was a bad _____.

Shane Battier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Battier)
Describe one awesome defensive play made by Shane Battier. Too easy? Go for three.

Tyler Thornton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_Thornton)
A three point shot from the corner while falling down. Where?

Amile Jefferson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amile_Jefferson)
Name one time when Amile Jefferson didn't give everything he had for the team.



And away we go.

[lotusland]

Now that I've seen a few of your posts, I'll be curious to see how your DBR persona develops. I'm certainly not going to call you a troll, but I think you qualify as a contrarian.

Chucktown Dave is not a troll. I've never met him, as far as I know, but we have Low Country living in common so I usually take note of his posts. I think it's interesting to ponder what a "Duke Kid" actually is. Depending on how you feel about Duke it has meant either studious or white and bratty. I'm not sure either is, or was, accurate. Duke is recruiting and landing the best recruits. I don't see a difference between Duke and UNC as far as who they recruit except that Duke is landing way more of the top guys lately. For the OAD guys, academics really doesn't matter these days. Maybe Duke has a different philosophy or possibly K is recruiting same type guys the's always recruited but with better success. Maybe in the past some guys were intimidated by Duke's perceived academic rigor but now they're not. Duke recruited Chris Weber but Jalen Rose believed that Coach K would not have recruited a kid from the inner city like himself. I think Jalen Rose could certainly get a Duke offer today but I'm not sure anything has actually changed except that getting a top PG today means you need to get another one next year.

[richardjackson199]

Chucktown Dave is not a troll. I've never met him, as far as I know, but we have Low Country living in common so I usually take note of his posts. I think it's interesting to ponder what a "Duke Kid" actually is. Depending on how you feel about Duke it has meant either studious or white and bratty. I'm not sure either is, or was, accurate. Duke is recruiting and landing the best recruits. I don't see a difference between Duke and UNC as far as who they recruit except that Duke is landing way more of the top guys lately. For the OAD guys, academics really doesn't matter these days. Maybe Duke has a different philosophy or possibly K is recruiting same type guys the's always recruited but with better success. Maybe in the past some guys were intimidated by Duke's perceived academic rigor but now they're not. Duke recruited Chris Weber but Jalen Rose believed that Coach K would not have recruited a kid from the inner city like himself. I think Jalen Rose could certainly get a Duke offer today but I'm not sure anything has actually changed except that getting a top PG today means you need to get another one next year.

So you're saying I should have just thanked him for the good laugh, period?? !!!

[camion]

Chucktown Dave is not a troll. I've never met him, as far as I know, but we have Low Country living in common so I usually take note of his posts. I think it's interesting to ponder what a "Duke Kid" actually is. Depending on how you feel about Duke it has meant either studious or white and bratty. I'm not sure either is, or was, accurate. Duke is recruiting and landing the best recruits. I don't see a difference between Duke and UNC as far as who they recruit except that Duke is landing way more of the top guys lately. For the OAD guys, academics really doesn't matter these days. Maybe Duke has a different philosophy or possibly K is recruiting same type guys the's always recruited but with better success. Maybe in the past some guys were intimidated by Duke's perceived academic rigor but now they're not. Duke recruited Chris Weber but Jalen Rose believed that Coach K would not have recruited a kid from the inner city like himself. I think Jalen Rose could certainly get a Duke offer today but I'm not sure anything has actually changed except that getting a top PG today means you need to get another one next year.

I actually do see a difference in the recruits Duke and UNC pursue. There is a good bit of overlap because one qualifying criterion is that the kid be a very good basketball player and that means that Duke and UNC are swimming in the same pool. In the past basketball ability was the only criterion that needed to be satisfied at UNC (That may have changed somewhat due to recent NCAA considerations). I think that Duke (K) includes criteria for character and academic ability than UNC does/did not.

This is of course IMHO and you know how the H works. :eek:

[sagegrouse]

What does, " look like a Duke kid ", mean? Not sure what that is.Did Harry Giles, Jason Tatum, Austin Rivers, Justin Winslow, Kyrie Irving, Okafor, Jones , Parker , " look like Duke kids "?

Oscar-Mike-Golf!!!

Let me tell you a story. When Grant Hill came to visit Duke back in about 1988, he was accompanied by his father Calvin (Yale, NFL All-Pro, etc.). Coach K let Tommy Amaker and Billy King do the campus tour. Calvin was absolutely blown away at how poised and intelligent were these two young men and Duke products.

Poise, intelligence, class. And, if they don't bring it with them, it happens through their experiences at Duke and with Coach K's program. Even one year can make a big difference. Oh, and it didn't start with Coach K.

Hey, man, this is home cooking, but I believe it, and it sure tastes good!

Kindly,
Sage
'Although I live in the Rockies, I have a Low Country background and still have beaucoup family there. My parents and all four grandparents were born in Charleston'

[JasonEvans]

Chucktown Dave is not a troll.

Are you talking about Charleston Dave? Because whether he is a troll or not, he does appear to be a former poster who was banned from the DBR but then snuck in under the radar. We eventually sniffed him out though and he is being rebanned. Won't be seeing him around these parts (in this person or another one) for a while.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Are you talking about Charleston Dave? Because whether he is a troll or not, he does appear to be a former poster who was banned from the DBR but then snuck in under the radar. We eventually sniffed him out though and he is being rebanned. Won't be seeing him around these parts (in this person or another one) for a while.

This is why I feel it best to ignore such folks when they flare up like, um... Things that flare up.

[lotusland]

Are you talking about Charleston Dave? Because whether he is a troll or not, he does appear to be a former poster who was banned from the DBR but then snuck in under the radar. We eventually sniffed him out though and he is being rebanned. Won't be seeing him around these parts (in this person or another one) for a while.

Interesting. I've never found his post to be overly provocative but then I don't bother get offended by much.

[BD80]

Interesting. I've never found his post to be overly provocative but then I don't bother get offended by much.

Why do I think of that as a challenge?

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

[camion]

Interesting. I've never found his post to be overly provocative but then I don't bother get offended by much.



Why do I think of that as a challenge?

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

Ooh, I got this one.

Your mother learned ethics under Jan Boxill and your father's term papers were all graded by Debbie Crowder. :eek::eek:




Okay, that was just mean. I apologize.

[Olympic Fan]

Why do I think of that as a challenge?

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

"I fart in your general direction"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

PS Great comeback, Camion

[Pghdukie]

Fight nice children

[lotusland]

Ooh, I got this one.

Your mother learned ethics under Jan Boxill and your father's term papers were all graded by Debbie Crowder. :eek::eek:




Okay, that was just mean. I apologize.

I'm a late to mature ( could happen this year I just know it!) so "your Ma" jokes have been heavily employed in my circle of friends for years so that not bother me at all. Sadly our parents are elderly and some have passed on now so I don't kid that way as much these Days. Insults are male bonding terms of endearment;).

[DavidBenAkiva]

Earlier today, 2018 top prospect Zion Williamson announced his plans to take an official visit to Duke during Countdown to Craziness. One of the top forwards for 2019, Matthew Hurt, is also scheduling time in Durham. He will be attending CTC (http://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Matthew-Hurt-schedules-unofficial-visits-107290418) during an official visit before making a pit stop in Chapel Hill on the 21st, according to Evan Daniels of Scout.

[BD80]

... pit stop in Chapel Hill ...

Apt phraseology

[English]

Earlier today, 2018 top prospect Zion Williamson announced his plans to take an official visit to Duke during Countdown to Craziness. One of the top forwards for 2019, Matthew Hurt, is also scheduling time in Durham. He will be attending CTC (http://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Matthew-Hurt-schedules-unofficial-visits-107290418) during an UNofficial visit before making a pit stop in Chapel Hill on the 21st, according to Evan Daniels of Scout.

FIFY.

[DavidBenAkiva]

FIFY.

Thanks. Must have misread that. It did seem odd to me that he would only be on campus for one day as part of an official visit. Also, he's just a junior. This makes a lot more sense.

[English]

Per Zags (and others), the Duke staff was in to the Ranney School (NJ) to see 2019 recruits Scottie Lewis and Bryan Antoine yesterday, along with members of Mike White's UF staff.

UK and Louisville have also been in to see them and have offered them, and Rick Pitino is in today to see them. They're major targets for all the top programs in the 2019 class.

[mattman91]

According to his own Twitter, Joey Baker has been offered a scholarship. 247 has him ranked #20 in the nation, #1in NC, and the #6 SF in 2019.

[DavidBenAkiva]

A little more on Joey Baker can be found in this interview from Pack Pride: https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina-state/article/checking-in-with-five-star-joey-baker19-louisville-duke-wolfpack-101600739

Jon Scheyer appears to be taking the lead on this recruitment. There are a lot of reasons why Baker might be a good fit for Duke. He's from a military family, having moved from the Boston area to Fayetteville when he was young. I'm sure Coach K's military background will be appealing and familiar in that regards. He's also got that good mix of inside-outside that Duke covets in their wings. As a rising junior, he's listed at 6'7" and might add a couple of inches still. His AAU team included Dennis Smith and Jalek Felton (incoming freshman at UNC this year) so he has had some high-major talent around him. He could be a great fit for Duke in the 2019 class.

[Henderson]

I wonder what the message is to 2019 recruits regarding Coach K. I have to assume parents and recruits are asking the question, and I also assume there are aren't any illusions about Coach K coaching these players as 2023 seniors. Could happen, but obviously it's somewhat less than certain that Coach K will still be there. The staff must have a standard statement by now. Something like, "No retirement plans, but it doesn't matter, because...."

[53n206]

I wonder what the message is to 2019 recruits regarding Coach K. I have to assume parents and recruits are asking the question, and I also assume there are aren't any illusions about Coach K coaching these players as 2023 seniors. Could happen, but obviously it's somewhat less than certain that Coach K will still be there. The staff must have a standard statement by now. Something like, "No retirement plans, but it doesn't matter, because..."

Does it matter much with all the one and dones?

[Henderson]

Does it matter much with all the one and dones?

Yes. At least I think so. People other than the folks on this board have to be looking at the calendar.

[brlftz]

Does it matter much with all the one and dones?

I wonder if that's what's behind the emphasis on 1 and dones these days? It's easier to promise to be here next year than it is to be here five years from now.

[jimsumner]

I wonder if that's what's behind the emphasis on 1 and dones these days? It's easier to promise to be here next year than it is to be here five years from now.

Perhaps. But this year's team will include junior Antonio Vrankovic, sophomores Javin DeLaurier and Jack White and freshmen Jordan Tucker, Alex O'Connell and Jordan Goldwire, none of whom project to be the in the NBA anytime soon. I suspect all of them asked about K's retirement timeline.

[53n206]

Perhaps. But this year's team will include junior Antonio Vrankovic, sophomores Javin DeLaurier and Jack White and freshmen Jordan Tucker, Alex O'Connell and Jordan Goldwire, none of whom project to be the in the NBA anytime soon. I suspect all of them asked about K's retirement timeline.

A really difficult position for Duke considering Coach's age, and his recent need for surgeries. The latter most important to me because it indicates a potential for a sudden physical need to retire. There will always be a group of really good players who want to come to Duke, and thank goodness for that. As to the "one and dones" whether we get them or not will depend upon Coach K's successor. So I think we take it year-by-year, or month by month whichever. Nothing to worry about it at this time.

[brlftz]

Perhaps. But this year's team will include junior Antonio Vrankovic, sophomores Javin DeLaurier and Jack White and freshmen Jordan Tucker, Alex O'Connell and Jordan Goldwire, none of whom project to be the in the NBA anytime soon. I suspect all of them asked about K's retirement timeline.

Sure, we aren't purely 1 and done, but obviously the emphasis has shifted quite a bit. Especially in the sense of attracting players that can compete at the level to which Duke is accustomed while they're here. Used to be that we would project a four year career for key guys and have sort of a succession plan. Not anymore. We're delighted to have all those guys, but they aren't why we'll be competing for titles this year. The formula for building a contender has changed quite a bit.

[Troublemaker]

Sure, we aren't purely 1 and done, but obviously the emphasis has shifted quite a bit. Especially in the sense of attracting players that can compete at the level to which Duke is accustomed while they're here. Used to be that we would project a four year career for key guys and have sort of a succession plan. Not anymore. We're delighted to have all those guys, but they aren't why we'll be competing for titles this year. The formula for building a contender has changed quite a bit.

For the 4-year-guys, especially if they don't project to have an NBA career, the draw of Duke University itself has to play a prominent role. They have to want that degree from Duke no matter who is coaching.

Coach K also probably delegates more in recruiting than just about any coach. Our assistants establish great relationships with the recruits, and often they do this before Coach K gets in there and establishes a great relationship himself. We also probably have the most recognizable assistant coaches in the nation, both because they are former players and because they do halftime interviews. Then, there there's the #Brotherhood. All of these things probably make the non-OAD recruits feel more comfortable that the program isn't just about Coach K.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Sure, we aren't purely 1 and done, but obviously the emphasis has shifted quite a bit. Especially in the sense of attracting players that can compete at the level to which Duke is accustomed while they're here. Used to be that we would project a four year career for key guys and have sort of a succession plan. Not anymore. We're delighted to have all those guys, but they aren't why we'll be competing for titles this year. The formula for building a contender has changed quite a bit.

Whatever the message is and has been, it is working very well.

There were a number of 247Sports Crystal Ball (not that it is all that accurate...) predictions in favor of Duke over the weekend for the 2019 class. Duke insiders, including Andrew Slater - previously mentioned on this board as highly reliable for Duke recruiting - have made predictions for several 5-star recruits in the 2019 class. Bryan Antoine, Joey Baker, and Vernon Carey all received multiple Duke predictions. Add to that list Armando Bacot, who is very heavily trending towards Duke, and the class is shaping up quite nicely. Bacot and Baker are not listed among the top 10 of their class at this point in time. They might be 2-4 year players, although are highly touted. The message that the program is sending out there is appealing to both the for-sure one-and-done players as well as other five-star recruits.

Lots could change, but the message that Duke is putting out there is resonating with recruits.

[DavidBenAkiva]

A number of tweets out tonight that Duke has offered 2019 PF/C Isaiah Stewart. Originally from upstate New York (Rochester) and attending La Lumiere Academy of La Porte, Indiana, Stewart is described as a "bruising," "hard working" post player that is a part of the USA junior national team. He's in that Top 25-30 range at this moment, but Evan Daniels noted that his stock is improving. He's listed at 6'8" and 243 lbs. Pics show a rather chiseled body for a kid that's 16 1/2 years old. He joins Vernon Carey, Jr. and Armando Bacot as post players in the Class of 2019 that have received an offer from Duke so far. I think we can expect Duke to load up on big men in the class.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Top 2019 targets Armando Bacot, Joey Baker, and Matthew Hurt will be at Countdown to Craziness (https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Duke-has-huge-visit-weekend-109182867) this evening. They will be joined by 2018 top recruit Zion Williamson and 2020 standouts Isaiah Todd and R.J. Hampton.

[jipops]

Whatever the message is and has been, it is working very well.

There were a number of 247Sports Crystal Ball (not that it is all that accurate...) predictions in favor of Duke over the weekend for the 2019 class. Duke insiders, including Andrew Slater - previously mentioned on this board as highly reliable for Duke recruiting - have made predictions for several 5-star recruits in the 2019 class. Bryan Antoine, Joey Baker, and Vernon Carey all received multiple Duke predictions. Add to that list Armando Bacot, who is very heavily trending towards Duke, and the class is shaping up quite nicely. Bacot and Baker are not listed among the top 10 of their class at this point in time. They might be 2-4 year players, although are highly touted. The message that the program is sending out there is appealing to both the for-sure one-and-done players as well as other five-star recruits.

Lots could change, but the message that Duke is putting out there is resonating with recruits.

This certainly doesn't hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvev1Bjx6oA

Love the PE.

[slower]

Top 2019 targets Armando Bacot, Joey Baker, and Matthew Hurt will be at Countdown to Craziness (https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Duke-has-huge-visit-weekend-109182867) this evening. They will be joined by 2018 top recruit Zion Williamson and 2020 standouts Isaiah Todd and R.J. Hampton.

How many of them went over to sit with the Crazies?

[ricks68]

How many of them went over to sit with the Crazies?

All of them, I believe.

ricks

[El_Diablo]

Matthew Hurt is visiting Minnesota (where his brother plays) today and will visit Kansas next month.

[arydolphin]

Joey Baker has officially committed, first one in the class of 2019: https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Four-star-forward-Joey-Baker-commits-to-Duke-109675821

[DavidBenAkiva]

Joey Baker has officially committed, first one in the class of 2019: https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Four-star-forward-Joey-Baker-commits-to-Duke-109675821

Fantastic news! Baker seems like a great prospect and a player that might stick around for a few years. With Duke targeting one-and-dones for the wing position in 2018 (Cameron Reddish and R.J. Barrett), having Baker in the bag gives Duke great depth and talent on the wings in 2019-2020 and beyond.

At this point, it's nearly impossible to project the roster more than a year out. At any rate, the guard/wing position is most likely going to be the most crowded on the roster. Baker has the profile of a player that might be able to be a stretch 4, which is unlike the other wings/forwards. He might be able to fit in right away, depending upon the way the roster breaks down over the next couple of years.

Probable Players on the Roster in 2019-20

Guards: Jordan Goldwire (Jr.)
Guards/Wings/Forwards: Jack White (Sr.), Alex O'Connell (Jr.), Jordan Tucker (Jr.), Joey Baker (Fr.)
Forwards: Justn Robinson (RS-Sr.), Javin DeLaurier (Jr.)

Possible Players

Guards: Tre Jones (So.)
Centers: Marques Bolden (Sr.)

I'm assuming there is a less than 5% chance Reddish or Barrett, if he commits, will be around more than a year.

[brlftz]

Fantastic news! Baker seems like a great prospect and a player that might stick around for a few years. With Duke targeting one-and-dones for the wing position in 2018 (Cameron Reddish and R.J. Barrett), having Baker in the bag gives Duke great depth and talent on the wings in 2019-2020 and beyond.

At this point, it's nearly impossible to project the roster more than a year out. At any rate, the guard/wing position is most likely going to be the most crowded on the roster. Baker has the profile of a player that might be able to be a stretch 4, which is unlike the other wings/forwards. He might be able to fit in right away, depending upon the way the roster breaks down over the next couple of years.

Probable Players on the Roster in 2019-20

Guards: Jordan Goldwire (Jr.)
Guards/Wings/Forwards: Jack White (Sr.), Alex O'Connell (Jr.), Jordan Tucker (Jr.), Joey Baker (Fr.)
Forwards: Justn Robinson (RS-Sr.), Javin DeLaurier (Jr.)

Possible Players

Guards: Tre Jones (So.)
Centers: Marques Bolden (Sr.)

I'm assuming there is a less than 5% chance Reddish or Barrett, if he commits, will be around more than a year.

lol, i think the value of that post is in showing how crazy it is to try to project more than one year at a time.

[JasonEvans]

Guards: Jordan Goldwire (Jr.)
Guards/Wings/Forwards: Jack White (Sr.), Alex O'Connell (Jr.), Jordan Tucker (Jr.), Joey Baker (Fr.)
Forwards: Justn Robinson (RS-Sr.), Javin DeLaurier (Jr.)

Possible Players

Guards: Tre Jones (So.)
Centers: Marques Bolden (Sr.)

DeLaurier would be a senior under your scenario, not a Junior. But, the biggest thing here is that it is pretty much impossible to project rosters more than 1 year out (and even then, it is tough to do until April before the season starts). I strongly suspect that one of White, O'Connell, or Tucker won't be with us because they did not get enough playing time to justify staying that long.

[sagegrouse]

DeLaurier would be a senior under your scenario, not a Junior. But, the biggest thing here is that it is pretty much impossible to project rosters more than 1 year out (and even then, it is tough to do until April before the season starts). I strongly suspect that one of White, O'Connell, or Tucker won't be with us because they did not get enough playing time to justify staying that long.

Yep. Another reason for a deeper rotation, but not likely to happen.

[AtlDuke72]

Yep. Another reason for a deeper rotation, but not likely to happen.

Can there be a separate thread for everyone who wants to advocate/whine about a deeper rotation?

[El_Diablo]

Can there be a separate thread for everyone who wants to advocate/whine about a deeper rotation?

But that's every thread.

[DavidBenAkiva]

DeLaurier would be a senior under your scenario, not a Junior. But, the biggest thing here is that it is pretty much impossible to project rosters more than 1 year out (and even then, it is tough to do until April before the season starts). I strongly suspect that one of White, O'Connell, or Tucker won't be with us because they did not get enough playing time to justify staying that long.

Oops! Yeah, meant to write that Javin will be a senior in 2019-20.

Ignoring any cries of "stick to recruiting!" there are currently 4 players in the probable bucket for 2-3 positions. That's not that crowded of a roster. It will get crowded if and when Duke gets other commitments from this class, most notably for the guard positions. Getting a couple of our forward/center targets could further crowd out playing time. Getting one or both of Bryan Antoine and Scottie Lewis, our primary guard targets (at the moment), would really make the wings a crowded position on the roster. I think getting just one of those two would still allow for enough playing time for most or even all of Baker, O'Connell, Tucker, and White. And let's not forget that a big reason why some players don't see the floor is inexperience. Coach K does tend to play juniors and seniors, like Josh Hairston, even when he has a lot of one-and-done/5-star recruits at his disposal.

[DavidBenAkiva]

2019 center Isaiah Stewart was in the attendance at the Champions Classic last night as a guest of Duke. He must have liked what he saw. A few 247 Sports Crystal Ball predictions came in this morning in favor of the big man going to Duke. Stewart is a 4 star recruit by most sources and could be a great 3-4 year player for the Blue Devils. Stewart, along with Armando Bacot and Vernon Carey appear to be the primary big man targets for the Class of 2019.

[sagegrouse]

Quote Originally Posted by sagegrouse View Post
Yep. Another reason for a deeper rotation, but not likely to happen.


Can there be a separate thread for everyone who wants to advocate/whine about a deeper rotation?

My quote was October 30 -- 16 days ago.

[Pghdukie]

Is the Duke Staff showing any interest in Balsa Koprivica ? He's a 7' center out of Windermere, Fla. I've heard a little Hi, how are you - but it just piqued my interest.

[Duke95]

Is the Duke Staff showing any interest in Balsa Koprivica ? He's a 7' center out of Windermere, Fla. I've heard a little Hi, how are you - but it just piqued my interest.

I thought we had some initial interest. Doesn't look as though anything's moved forward.

I also think we may be re-thinking our recruiting targets if the NBA changes the OAD rule in 2019. I doubt we'd spend more time on Anthony, Carey, etc. if that happens. They'd almost certainly go to straight to the NBA.

[AtlDuke72]

My quote was October 30 -- 16 days ago.

Mine was October 31. What is your point?

[DavidBenAkiva]

Amid the hype of R.J. Barrett and the beginning of the 2017-18 season, it seems we missed an important development in the 2019 recruiting class. Duke has offered #1 PG prospect Cole Anthony, a 6'1" guard from New York, NY. Anthony is considered a top 5 player in his class. He appears to excel in shooting, handling, and facilitating the ball. The kid has some impressive finishes with either hand. If he adds a couple of inches in height in the next year or two, he would fit the ideal PG mold. Duke insider Andrew Slater made a prediction for Anthony to commit to Duke, which is a good sign. Anthony seems to be highly interested in either the Blue Devils or Jayhawks of Kansas at this early juncture.

Requisite Highlight Video

https://youtu.be/CjKLjzUt9Xw

[jimsumner]

Amid the hype of R.J. Barrett and the beginning of the 2017-18 season, it seems we missed an important development in the 2019 recruiting class. Duke has offered #1 PG prospect Cole Anthony, a 6'1" guard from New York, NY. Anthony is considered a top 5 player in his class. He appears to excel in shooting, handling, and facilitating the ball. The kid has some impressive finishes with either hand. If he adds a couple of inches in height in the next year or two, he would fit the ideal PG mold. Duke insider Andrew Slater made a prediction for Anthony to commit to Duke, which is a good sign. Anthony seems to be highly interested in either the Blue Devils or Jayhawks of Kansas at this early juncture.

Requisite Highlight Video

https://youtu.be/CjKLjzUt9Xw

His father is former UNLV great Greg Anthony.

[brlftz]

His father is former UNLV great Greg Anthony.

Oh my goodness that would be hilarious. Greg Anthony is obviously a super sharp guy and I expect his son fits the profile of what Duke looks for in a player/person/student/family combination, but the lulz factor would be amazing. Could we overcome what might be some hard feelings based on how the battles of '90-'91 were portrayed as good versus evil? (Pretty much the last time anyone ever put Duke on the "good" side of things.)

[slower]

Oh my goodness that would be hilarious. Greg Anthony is obviously a super sharp guy and I expect his son fits the profile of what Duke looks for in a player/person/student/family combination, but the lulz factor would be amazing. Could we overcome what might be some hard feelings based on how the battles of '90-'91 were portrayed as good versus evil? (Pretty much the last time anyone ever put Duke on the "good" side of things.)
Too funny. Would love to have a team comprised of the kids of Greg Anthony, Jalen Rose, Len Elmore and other haters.

[BD80]

Oh my goodness that would be hilarious. Greg Anthony is obviously a super sharp guy and I expect his son fits the profile of what Duke looks for in a player/person/student/family combination, but the lulz factor would be amazing. Could we overcome what might be some hard feelings based on how the battles of '90-'91 were portrayed as good versus evil? (Pretty much the last time anyone ever put Duke on the "good" side of things.)

I have heard Anthony speak highly of Duke and Coach K. He also worked with Jim Spanarkel on Nets broadcasts, hopefully Jim got in his ear a bit.

If Cole is anything like his dad, I'm all for him. Anthony was the glue for the Rebs, tough as nails, athletic, smart, great defender. He made Bobby Hurley cry.

In 10 years in the NBA he averaged 4 assists and 1.2 steals per game, in just 20 mpg.

Maybe we don't have Laettner around for the Official Visit.

[richardjackson199]

His father is former UNLV great Greg Anthony.

Greg Anthony is one of the best point guards I've ever seen in college. There are several, but he's on the list. He was a huge part of what made those Vegas teams so good, although Larry Johnson, Augmon, and Hunt sometimes got more hype.

It may not be a popular opinion on this board, but it definitely helped us in 91 when Greg Anthony fouled out near the end of the game. UNLV looked a little lost after that. Maybe we win anyway, but it helped.

I would love to get Cole Anthony. I'm sure Greg knows K is one of the greatest of all time, and that Duke would be what is best for his son.

[MChambers]

It may not be a popular opinion on this board, but it definitely helped us in 91 when Greg Anthony fouled out near the end of the game. UNLV looked a little lost after that. Maybe we win anyway, but it helped.

Oh, I doubt anyone will disagree with you. Great rotation by Brian Davis. Maybe he should not be there for the official visit.

[richardjackson199]

Most know Greg has also been a long-time announcer for NBA and college games. I've always enjoyed him and found him to be very knowledgeable.

His son Cole is the #1 point guard and top 2-3 overall player in the class.

I'd love to welcome them into the Duke family, and think it's cool that K has a history of losing to and ultimately finally winning against Greg in the 90-91 Final 4's. Those were 2 of the lowest and highest moments in K's career, and certainly one of those career-defining wins throttling him to his first Natty in 91. Losing in a title game is respectable, but the way we lost that one in 90 was anything but.

[UrinalCake]

The question that is begging to be asked... are we recruiting over Tre Jones, or do we expect him to be a OAD?

[yancem]

The question that is begging to be asked... are we recruiting over Tre Jones, or do we expect him to be a OAD?

I think in this day and age, Duke is doing their due diligence and expecting Jones to be OAD. He’s a top 10 recruit and number 1 pg. He could stick around but if we don’t bring in another pg, we could be left without one.

[richardjackson199]

The question that is begging to be asked... are we recruiting over Tre Jones, or do we expect him to be a OAD?

I don't think we're recruiting over him at all. It sounds like he may be good enough to be OAD. Barrett and Reddish will certainly be OAD. So we'll have plenty of room, and if Jones is still here K has shown plenty of times that we can excel with 2 PG backcourts (Tyus/Quinn; CDu/Jwill; etc.) K was originally recruiting Darius Garland for the 2018 class with Stones, Barrett, and Reddish until Garland started cancelling all the visits. So my guess is that Duke expects there is plenty of room for both in the back-court and also expects that Tre is looking good enough to be OAD like his older brother.

I'm just assuming - certainly more knowledgeable opinions like Oly or Jim are always appreciated!

But I think it's pretty safe to assume that K would not "recruit over" Tre Jones.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

So we'll have plenty of room, and if Jones is still here K has shown plenty of times that we can excel with 2 PG backcourts (Tyus/Quinn; CDu/Jwill; etc.)
But I think it's pretty safe to assume that K would not "recruit over" Tre Jones.
Please don't forget his first two point guard backcourt, Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker! :cool:

[BandAlum83]

Please don't forget his first two point guard backcourt, Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker! :cool:

Although Johnny played the point his Freshman year, I don't think of Johnny as a PG. He really seemed to be a prototypical college SG. He could slash, spot up and play incredible D.

Am I wrong in that belief?

[GeneBanksManCrush]

Too funny. Would love to have a team comprised of the kids of Greg Anthony, Jalen Rose, Len Elmore and other haters.


I'm holding out for Larry Johnson's kid.

[kAzE]

Too funny. Would love to have a team comprised of the kids of Greg Anthony, Jalen Rose, Len Elmore and other haters.

Is Greg Anthony really a Duke hater? I certainly have a much higher opinion of him than the other 2 guys you listed. Greg is one of the best color guys in the business IMO, I think he's extremely professional, does a great job and leaves his biases out of his commentary. Would love to see his kid at Duke.

[gam7]

I'm holding out for Larry Johnson's kid.

Grand-son-son.

[killerleft]

Although Johnny played the point his Freshman year, I don't think of Johnny as a PG. He really seemed to be a prototypical college SG. He could slash, spot up and play incredible D.

Am I wrong in that belief?

Amaker had 708 assists at Duke, Dawkins had 550. Amaker is third all-time at Duke, Dawkins sixth. If Dawkins had had Dawkins to pass to...

[olegreg]

Interested to see if cole anthony will reclassifie he turns 18 in may. Rj barrett doesn't turn 18 till june.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Interested to see if cole anthony will reclassifie he turns 18 in may. Rj barrett doesn't turn 18 till june.

If he does reclassify, he ain't going to Duke.

[olegreg]

If he does reclassify, he ain't going to Duke.

Agreed

[CrazyNotCrazie]

His father is former UNLV great Greg Anthony.

He lives with his mom in NYC who is re-married to the Global Head of Corporate and Investment Banking at Citi. That probably doesn't matter much on the basketball court but he clearly is not lacking for opportunities. Sounds a lot like a Duke kid.

[kAzE]

He lives with his mom in NYC who is re-married to the Global Head of Corporate and Investment Banking at Citi. That probably doesn't matter much on the basketball court but he clearly is not lacking for opportunities. Sounds a lot like a Duke kid.

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but from what you posted, it sounds like rich kids are perceived as "Duke kids?"

I thought a "Duke kid" is a player, regardless of socioeconomic background, who gets it done in the classroom as well on the court, and shows a high level of character. Not saying Greg's son doesn't have those qualities, and we do have a history of getting commitments from sons of former professional athletes, but wasn't Jayson Tatum (single mom, low income) just as much of a Duke kid as Grant Hill (NFL dad)?

[BD80]

He lives with his mom in NYC who is re-married to the Global Head of Corporate and Investment Banking at Citi. That probably doesn't matter much on the basketball court but he clearly is not lacking for opportunities. Sounds a lot like a Duke kid.

He'll have teammates, managers, classmates at Duke hitting him up for summer internship opportunities at Citi.

Or he could go to unc and jump into a pool from a balcony ...

[Old Gold 89]

He lives with his mom in NYC who is re-married to the Global Head of Corporate and Investment Banking at Citi. That probably doesn't matter much on the basketball court but he clearly is not lacking for opportunities. Sounds a lot like a Duke kid.

How does that make him a Duke kid??

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but from what you posted, it sounds like rich kids are perceived as "Duke kids?"

I thought a "Duke kid" is a player, regardless of socioeconomic background, who gets it done in the classroom as well on the court, and shows a high level of character. Not saying Greg's son doesn't have those qualities, and we do have a history of getting commitments from sons of former professional athletes, but wasn't Jayson Tatum (single mom, low income) just as much of a Duke kid as Grant Hill (NFL dad)?

We have historically gotten commitments from kids for whom academics are a top priority - the Duke education is a top selling point and differentiator. I assumed that in order to reach his position, his step-father was highly educated - I double checked and he is - triple Harvard. People with those backgrounds typically (but not always) want the same for their children. Going back a ways, I think Trajan Langdon's parents, who were also highly educated but not necessarily rich (his dad was a professor) are another great example. There are plenty of great Duke student-athletes whose parents didn't go to Duke-caliber schools but still strongly emphasized education and again, Duke's academics were a big selling point for them too - they are also "Duke kids."

[elvis14]

How does that make him a Duke kid??

LOL, you guys are so funny.

[English]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting your post, but from what you posted, it sounds like rich kids are perceived as "Duke kids?"

I thought a "Duke kid" is a player, regardless of socioeconomic background, who gets it done in the classroom as well on the court, and shows a high level of character. Not saying Greg's son doesn't have those qualities, and we do have a history of getting commitments from sons of former professional athletes, but wasn't Jayson Tatum (single mom, low income) just as much of a Duke kid as Grant Hill (NFL dad)?

I didn't make the initial statement, but I don't think it's a controversial statement to say a lot of kids at Duke come from affluent families with parents and/or step-parents in positions of esteem who afford many opportunities to their spawn.

Your second statement, WRT Duke basketball players, is certainly true. Jayson is a wonderful ambassador of Duke, irrespective of his socioeconomic background. He's certainly destined for the 1% now. That doesn't make the OP's point insensitive or inaccurate. The stepson of an I-banking executive would fit right in at Duke, whether that means kids at Duke are perceived as rich kids or not.

[kAzE]

I didn't make the initial statement, but I don't think it's a controversial statement to say a lot of kids at Duke come from affluent families with parents and/or step-parents in positions of esteem who afford many opportunities to their spawn.

Your second statement, WRT Duke basketball players, is certainly true. Jayson is a wonderful ambassador of Duke, irrespective of his socioeconomic background. He's certainly destined for the 1% now. That doesn't make the OP's point insensitive or inaccurate. The stepson of an I-banking executive would fit right in at Duke, whether that means kids at Duke are perceived as rich kids or not.

I didn't mean it as a criticism of the poster. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And yes, it's true that probably a higher proportion of Duke players come from wealthier families than most other schools. There is probably a decent correlation between kids who come from higher income families and kids who do better in school. I just wanted to express my opinion that I don't believe "rich kid" equates to "Duke kid," and to generate discussion about what the "Duke kid" label actually means.

Jayson Tatum was maybe THE prototypical Duke kid. He's hard working, humble, excellent in the classroom, plays hard, and is emotionally and mentally mature far beyond his age. IMO, money should have no impact on whether a kid is perceived as a Duke kid or not. At least personally, I like to hold that term to a higher standard.

[Old Gold 89]

We have historically gotten commitments from kids for whom academics are a top priority - the Duke education is a top selling point and differentiator. I assumed that in order to reach his position, his step-father was highly educated - I double checked and he is - triple Harvard. People with those backgrounds typically (but not always) want the same for their children. Going back a ways, I think Trajan Langdon's parents, who were also highly educated but not necessarily rich (his dad was a professor) are another great example. There are plenty of great Duke student-athletes whose parents didn't go to Duke-caliber schools but still strongly emphasized education and again, Duke's academics were a big selling point for them too - they are also "Duke kids."

You have no idea whatsoever if he is a "Duke kid" or not. But you are arguing that rich kids are likely to be Duke kids, while poor or middle-class kids are not.

I believe that any kid from any socioeconomic background anywhere in the world has what it takes to be a great student-athlete at my alma mater.

[jv001]

You have no idea whatsoever if he is a "Duke kid" or not. But you are arguing that rich kids are likely to be Duke kids, while poor or middle-class kids are not.

I believe that any kid from any socioeconomic background anywhere in the world has what it takes to be a great student-athlete at my alma mater.

Is your alma mater Duke or is it Wake Forest(old gold) or another school? GoDuke!

[sagegrouse]

You have no idea whatsoever if he is a "Duke kid" or not. But you are arguing that rich kids are likely to be Duke kids, while poor or middle-class kids are not.

I believe that any kid from any socioeconomic background anywhere in the world has what it takes to be a great student-athlete at my alma mater.

It seems like Duke does better in recruitment of players whose parents are highly educated or who themselves have exhibited real interest in academics. Typically, but not always, these two things go together.

We don't disagree with the statement in your second paragraph, but the direction of causation is not the same. It's not just who will do well as a student-athlete, but who will choose our school (Duke) in the first place.

[flyingdutchdevil]

You have no idea whatsoever if he is a "Duke kid" or not. But you are arguing that rich kids are likely to be Duke kids, while poor or middle-class kids are not.

I believe that any kid from any socioeconomic background anywhere in the world has what it takes to be a great student-athlete at my alma mater.

I agree with you. But this coming from a poster with the name, "Old Gold" just doesn't feel right...

[CrazyNotCrazie]

You have no idea whatsoever if he is a "Duke kid" or not. But you are arguing that rich kids are likely to be Duke kids, while poor or middle-class kids are not.

I believe that any kid from any socioeconomic background anywhere in the world has what it takes to be a great student-athlete at my alma mater.

I'm sorry, but you clearly did not read my response to your response. I did not correlate rich to Duke kid. I correlated "one who values education" to Duke kid. I was also correlating "child of former professional athlete" to Duke kid as we have a strong history of recruiting those types of players also. Recruiting is very much an exercise in marketing and differentiating your school from others (such as Kentucky and Kansas).

Clearly I touched a nerve here with some people. I apologize for unintentionally derailing this conversation. Let's return to our regularly scheduled programming.

[kAzE]

I'm sorry, but you clearly did not read my response to your response. I did not correlate rich to Duke kid. I correlated "one who values education" to Duke kid. I was also correlating "child of former professional athlete" to Duke kid as we have a strong history of recruiting those types of players also. Recruiting is very much an exercise in marketing and differentiating your school from others (such as Kentucky and Kansas).

Clearly I touched a nerve here with some people. I apologize for unintentionally derailing this conversation. Let's return to our regularly scheduled programming.

It's my fault, not yours. Derailing recruiting threads is basically what I do. And for the record, I wasn't offended by your post, I just wanted to raise a question and engage others in discussion, because it is an interesting topic.

[dukefan_828]

Can we get a separate thread on what we think a "Duke Kid" qualifies as?? Also i want to know more about carolina kids jumping off balconies into a pool??

[Old Gold 89]

Is your alma mater Duke or is it Wake Forest(old gold) or another school? GoDuke!

Duke

[Troublemaker]

You have no idea whatsoever if he is a "Duke kid" or not. But you are arguing that rich kids are likely to be Duke kids, while poor or middle-class kids are not.

I believe that any kid from any socioeconomic background anywhere in the world has what it takes to be a great student-athlete at my alma mater.


I'm sorry, but you clearly did not read my response to your response. I did not correlate rich to Duke kid. I correlated "one who values education" to Duke kid. I was also correlating "child of former professional athlete" to Duke kid as we have a strong history of recruiting those types of players also. Recruiting is very much an exercise in marketing and differentiating your school from others (such as Kentucky and Kansas).

Clearly I touched a nerve here with some people. I apologize for unintentionally derailing this conversation. Let's return to our regularly scheduled programming.

CrazyNotCrazie - I agree that you did not say what Old Gold thought you said.

Bringing it back to recruiting, I'm excited that Cole Anthony has an offer and that apparently the #1 Crystal Ball predictor (Andrew Slater) has picked Anthony to Duke.

If the NBA keeps OAD, you could potentially have a pretty interesting discussing with Jordan Goldwire in four years about which of his PG teammates was the best - Trevon Duval, Tre Jones, Cole Anthony, or R.J. Hampton.

For the record, I think Cole's the best of them. Again, very excited here.

[arnie]

. Jayson is a wonderful ambassador of Duke, irrespective of his socioeconomic background. He's certainly destined for the 1% now.

Uh, JT made the 1% when he signed his rookie contract. I suspect he’ll wind up in the top .001% when he’s done with the NBA.

[lotusland]

Can we get a separate thread on what we think a "Duke Kid" qualifies as?? Also i want to know more about carolina kids jumping off balconies into a pool??

I think someone insinuated that high achievers send their kids to Duke. We just cannot abide that sort of slam on here.

[MartyClark]

I think someone insinuated that high achievers send their kids to Duke. We just cannot abide that sort of slam on here.

I had to Google the mom and step dad. Both seem quite interesting and talented. I also read the article on the kid - seems like a great young man.

Let's get him. Go Duke.

[plimnko]

I think someone insinuated that high achievers send their kids to Duke. We just cannot abide that sort of slam on here.

i heard a nasty rumor. they sent them to duke to get educated and 8 miles down the road to get uneducated

[BD80]

I think someone insinuated that high achievers send their kids to Duke. We just cannot abide that sort of slam on here.

I'd clap but I don't want a "T"

[DavidBenAkiva]

Look at us, having an extended discussion around college basketball recruiting! Good job, everyone.

Heading into the winter, Duke has a commitment from Joey Baker (6'7" forward) and identified a group of top targets.

PG: Cole Anthony
SG: Bryan Antonie
SF: Scottie Lewis, Wendell Moore
PF: Vernon Carey, Mathew Hurt
C: Armando Bacot, Isaiah Stewart

Here is where I predict where things end up with this class. This is a stupid exercise as Duke's roster is wildly in flux from year-to-year and we have no idea what the NBA age limit will be for the Class of 2019. But why let that stop me?

Duke will have a bevvy of wings on the roster with Alex O'Connell, Jordan Tucker, and Jack White competing for minutes with Joey Baker. A senior Javin DeLaurier will also be a candidate for the wing/stretch 4 position and presumptive starter. That effectively rules out Scottie Lewis and Wendell Moore. Between the two, Moore seems warmer towards Duke, but playing time might be an issue. Mathew Hurt is not looking very keen on Duke at the moment, either. DeLaurier and Hurt look alike on paper (height/weight/position at least). I figure he ends up at a B1G school, Kansas, or some other destination. Duke will have a lot of room in the froncourt and at the guard position. We get:

Cole Anthony (#1 PG)
Bryan Antoine (#1 SG)
Joey Baker (Top 25 SF)
Vernon Carey (#1 Overall Player)
Armando Bacot (Top 25 Center) and Isaiah Stewart (Top 50 Center)

That's three Top 10 players and three other 4-5 star forwards/centers. Not bad. Not bad at all.

Starting lineup:

Anthony
Antoine
O'Connell
DeLaurier
Carey

The odds of this happening are like 5%, but it was a fun exercise.

[Old Gold 89]

I'd clap but I don't want a "T"

To paraphrase, the argument goes: Anthony's step-father is a senior executive at a huge corporation; therefore, his step-son is a "Duke kid".

Thankfully, Coach K and his staff do not appear to recruit with that type of mindset. According to my understanding, our program learns about each individual and each individual's family.

Sure, economically successful parents tend to value education and tend to devote resources that boost their children's chances for academic success. But many children of successful parents are not great students. Some of them are jerks. Some of them are immature. Some of them are geniuses!

Maybe I just have a different vision of our Duke basketball program. My image of Coach K's program is that no one gets a pass. No one. No one is presumed worthy of being labeled a "Duke kid", especially not based on their parents' success. Every single kid has to prove he is worthy based on his own peculiar talents, record and characteristics.

By the way, it looks like Cole Anthony is quite a "Duke Kid!"

https://sports.vice.com/en_ca/article/a37gze/cole-anthony-wants-to-revolutionize-basketball-and-play-zelda-the-16-project

Go Duke!

[johnb]

Although Johnny played the point his Freshman year, I don't think of Johnny as a PG. He really seemed to be a prototypical college SG. He could slash, spot up and play incredible D.

Am I wrong in that belief?

I agree about Dawkins, but he was only 6’1 or 6’2, even though he was an exciting finisher on alley oops.

As for socioeconomic recruiting, it’s a sore subject. Jalen Rose backed off his film statements somewhat by insisting he was reporting his own 18 year old self who viewed Duke as a school for Uncle Toms athetes who come 2 parent college educated middle class households. Obviously, this didn’t sit well with guys like Grant and Jaywill:
http://www.espn.com/chicago/ncb/news/story?id=6270285

[elvis14]

I'm sorry, but you clearly did not read my response to your response. I did not correlate rich to Duke kid. I correlated "one who values education" to Duke kid. I was also correlating "child of former professional athlete" to Duke kid as we have a strong history of recruiting those types of players also. Recruiting is very much an exercise in marketing and differentiating your school from others (such as Kentucky and Kansas).

Clearly I touched a nerve here with some people. I apologize for unintentionally derailing this conversation. Let's return to our regularly scheduled programming.

Apparently some people missed or ignored this post and are still posting about what they mistakenly thought CNC meant. Can we stop with the 'Duke kid' conversation now? I don't see any controversy in a kid who values education being labelled a 'Duke kid'.

[BandAlum83]

Duke and UNC target Vernon Carey Jr. enjoying status as a No. 1 basketball prospect (http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article192746819.html)

Saw this today,


When Duke basketball commit R.J. Barrett decided to reclassify from the class of 2019 to the class of 2018, that left a void at the No. 1 recruiting spot.

Barrett held down that position as the top prep basketball player in the country for 2019, but his move meant the top spot was there for the taking. After a successful summer circuit with USA basketball, University School forward Vernon Carey Jr. made the leap. Carey has been locked in at the top spot since September.

.....

The Blue Devils are at the top of Carey’s list of top five schools, which include Florida, Kansas, Kentucky and Miami. North Carolina, UCLA and Michigan State round out his top eight

[JasonEvans]

Duke and UNC target Vernon Carey Jr. enjoying status as a No. 1 basketball prospect (http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/college/acc/duke/article192746819.html)

FWIW, the 247 Crystal Ball on Carey is Duke 54%, Mich St 23%, Miami 23%. All the recent activity has surrounded Duke and Mich St though it is clear that Carey is a ways from making any decisions.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Rivals recently updated its rankings (https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2019)for the Class of 2019. Here are whey think some notable players sit relative to their peers:

1. Vernon Carey, Jr. (#1 PF)
4. Cole Anthony (#1 PG)
5. Matthew Hurt (#3 PF)
7. Bryan Antoine (#1 SG)
9. Scottie Lewis (#2 SG)
14. Armando Bacot (#5 PF)
24. Wendell Moore (#4 SF)
27. Joey Baker (#8 PF)
32. Isaiah Stewart (#11 PF)

Baker is Duke's lone commitment at the moment for the Class of 2019. At this early stage, it appears that Duke sits in a great position with all of these players with the possible exception of Matthew Hurt. For those that are wondering about such things, both Bacot and Hurt turn 18 this spring.

[Pghdukie]

Matthew Hurt can bring a lot to the table. An awful lot of skill and talent - but a slender body. With nutrition and weight room agenda - he could be a very very good addition.

[DavidBenAkiva]

At the Hoop Hall Classic, #1 junior big man is facing off against Oak Hill Academy of Maryland. Oak Hill features senior big man David McCormick. McCormick seemed to be high on Duke for a few minutes before committing to Kansas. Carey is seriously outplaying the older center, showing off his shooting, rebounding, and handling skills. He seems equally adept at posting up in the low block as floating around the perimeter. On defense, he is owning the paint. It's quite a show.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Rivals recently updated its rankings (https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals150/2019)for the Class of 2019. Here are whey think some notable players sit relative to their peers:

1. Vernon Carey, Jr. (#1 PF)
4. Cole Anthony (#1 PG)
5. Matthew Hurt (#3 PF)
7. Bryan Antoine (#1 SG)
9. Scottie Lewis (#2 SG)
14. Armando Bacot (#5 PF)
24. Wendell Moore (#4 SF)
27. Joey Baker (#8 PF)
32. Isaiah Stewart (#11 PF)

Baker is Duke's lone commitment at the moment for the Class of 2019. At this early stage, it appears that Duke sits in a great position with all of these players with the possible exception of Matthew Hurt. For those that are wondering about such things, both Bacot and Hurt turn 18 this spring.

This morning, ESPN updated it's Super 60 for the Class of 2019 (http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2019/order/true). Here are the above players:

2. Vernon Carey, Jr. (#1 C)
5. Matthew Hurt (#2 PF)
6. Cole Anthony (#1 PG)
7. Bryan Antoine (#1 SG)
8. Scottie Lewis (#1 SF)
13. Isaiah Stewart (#3 PF)
15. Joey Baker (#4 PF)
20. Armando Bacot (#5 C)
22. Wendell Moore (#5 SF)

The Class of 2018 features a ton of wings and guards among the Top 25. This class is big. The Top 5 are all 6'9" or taller and listed as power forwards or centers. Half of the guys ranked between 11 through 20 are also power forwards or centers (although they list Joey Baker as a PF while most have him as a stretch 4 in college or a SF if he makes it to the NBA).

Another note is that they grade the top players in the class - James Wiseman, Vernon Carey, Jr., and others - at 96 out of 100. That's the grade given to the trio of R.J. Barrett, Cameron Reddish, and Zion Williamson in the Class of 2018. In the Class of 2017. Marvin Bagley III has a grade of 98 while Michael Porter, Jr. and DeAndre Ayton had a grade of 97 each. The current crop of freshman in college is pretty special.

[Duke95]

Still a lot in flux here since the NBA early entry rule may be changed. That would likely take Carey off the table, at least.

We look good with Anthony, Antoine, Bacot (and, obviously, Baker). We seem to be in pretty good position for Carey. That's a huge recruiting haul, if it happens.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Still a lot in flux here since the NBA early entry rule may be changed. That would likely take Carey off the table, at least.

We look good with Anthony, Antoine, Bacot (and, obviously, Baker). We seem to be in pretty good position for Carey. That's a huge recruiting haul, if it happens.

Yeah, we are in great shape with a lot of these players. I have a working hypothesis of what will happen if one-and-done remains for the Class of 2019 and a different scenario if it goes away.

If one-and-done remains, Duke remains focused on Carey, Jr., Anthony, Antoine, Lewis, Bacot, and Stewart (maybe just one of Bacot and Stewart if Marques Bolden sticks around for all four years). And of course there's Joey Baker, who has already committed. Most of the recruitniks seem to think that Antoine is more likely than Lewis (they are both guards/forwards and high school teammates) to commit to Duke. And Duke has a lot of the momentum for Bacot with a good shot at getting Carey, Jr and Anthony (if Tre Jones goes to the NBA). That class would join upperclassmen of DeLaurier (and maybe Bolden), White, Robinson, O'Connell, and Goldwire. That would be a nice mix of top talent, experienced players, and a couple of guys that will stick around for a few years.

If the NBA abandons one-and-done in favor of a preps-to-pros model with a secondary route of 2 years in college, the top 10 guys like Carey, Jr., Antoine, and Lewis are no longer sure bets. Duke is still in good shape with Bacot, Stewart, Baker, and Moore. Another name or two will emerge as well.

As I noted on the 2018 recruiting thread, I doubt too many players will go directly to the NBA from the Class of 2019. Let's assume the change in draft eligibility is announced this summer, after the 2018 draft. If that's the case, then the 2019 NBA Draft would feature both one-and-done (Barrett, Reddish, Williamson, and maybe Jones) AND the top high school players. That would be quite the talented mix of players. Unless you are a Top 10 player like Vernon Carey, Jr., your chance of going in the first round is suddenly quite low. I imagine the guys in the 11-25 range, like Bacot, Stewat, Baker, and Moore, will all look hard and long at two years in college versus a 2nd round (or not getting drafted at all) opportunity.

Anyway, this is just my hunch based on how things might shake out. I still think Duke is in good shape with key guys on the 3- and 4- year track on the current roster.

[JasonEvans]

As I noted on the 2018 recruiting thread, I doubt too many players will go directly to the NBA from the Class of 2019. Let's assume the change in draft eligibility is announced this summer, after the 2018 draft. If that's the case, then the 2019 NBA Draft would feature both one-and-done (Barrett, Reddish, Williamson, and maybe Jones) AND the top high school players. That would be quite the talented mix of players. Unless you are a Top 10 player like Vernon Carey, Jr., your chance of going in the first round is suddenly quite low. I imagine the guys in the 11-25 range, like Bacot, Stewat, Baker, and Moore, will all look hard and long at two years in college versus a 2nd round (or not getting drafted at all) opportunity.

Anyway, this is just my hunch based on how things might shake out. I still think Duke is in good shape with key guys on the 3- and 4- year track on the current roster.

I think you are right and it will create a super loaded 2019 draft. There will be lottery-level talent available into the 20s and guys who can be solid NBA contributors will be going throughout the 2nd round. I agree that you will see a number of guys who might be fringe one-and-done players will opt to go to college for 2 years so they can be drafted higher versus going late in the first round or in the 2nd round. You will also see a number of guys who really have little interest in college turning pro even though their chances of being drafted will be small. I suspect the G-League will find itself full of guys who had no interest in college but simply are not mature enough for the NBA yet.

And, one other thing, it will create an extraordinarily weak 2020 draft. The top 2019 freshmen who went to college will not yet be eligible. The 2020 draft will have mediocre soph and a bunch of unproven high schoolers. Guys who are soph or juniors in 2019 who are considering the draft would be wise to stick around jump into that weak 2020 draft class.

-Jason "all of this assumes the NBA changes the rules with the 2019 draft... could happen in 2020 or 2021 or beyond. We've been waiting a while for this!" Evans

[dchen09]

I think you are right and it will create a super loaded 2019 draft. There will be lottery-level talent available into the 20s and guys who can be solid NBA contributors will be going throughout the 2nd round. I agree that you will see a number of guys who might be fringe one-and-done players will opt to go to college for 2 years so they can be drafted higher versus going late in the first round or in the 2nd round. You will also see a number of guys who really have little interest in college turning pro even though their chances of being drafted will be small. I suspect the G-League will find itself full of guys who had no interest in college but simply are not mature enough for the NBA yet.

And, one other thing, it will create an extraordinarily weak 2020 draft. The top 2019 freshmen who went to college will not yet be eligible. The 2020 draft will have mediocre soph and a bunch of unproven high schoolers. Guys who are soph or juniors in 2019 who are considering the draft would be wise to stick around jump into that weak 2020 draft class.

-Jason "all of this assumes the NBA changes the rules with the 2019 draft... could happen in 2020 or 2021 or beyond. We've been waiting a while for this!" Evans

I wonder if this will have an effect on this year's draft as well. Guys who might think about staying another year to improve their draft statuses (e.g. Bolden/Trent) may want to just go this year despite it being a fairly strong year. Why risk being a 2nd rounder next year when you could be a 2nd rounder this year.

[JasonEvans]

I wonder if this will have an effect on this year's draft as well. Guys who might think about staying another year to improve their draft statuses (e.g. Bolden/Trent) may want to just go this year despite it being a fairly strong year. Why risk being a 2nd rounder next year when you could be a 2nd rounder this year.

Or, you wait until 2020 and get to be a lottery pick that year!!!

;)

[DavidBenAkiva]

This morning, ESPN updated it's Super 60 for the Class of 2019 (http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2019/order/true). Here are the above players:

2. Vernon Carey, Jr. (#1 C)
5. Matthew Hurt (#2 PF)
6. Cole Anthony (#1 PG)
7. Bryan Antoine (#1 SG)
8. Scottie Lewis (#1 SF)
13. Isaiah Stewart (#3 PF)
15. Joey Baker (#4 PF)
20. Armando Bacot (#5 C)
22. Wendell Moore (#5 SF)

The Class of 2018 features a ton of wings and guards among the Top 25. This class is big. The Top 5 are all 6'9" or taller and listed as power forwards or centers. Half of the guys ranked between 11 through 20 are also power forwards or centers (although they list Joey Baker as a PF while most have him as a stretch 4 in college or a SF if he makes it to the NBA).

Another note is that they grade the top players in the class - James Wiseman, Vernon Carey, Jr., and others - at 96 out of 100. That's the grade given to the trio of R.J. Barrett, Cameron Reddish, and Zion Williamson in the Class of 2018. In the Class of 2017. Marvin Bagley III has a grade of 98 while Michael Porter, Jr. and DeAndre Ayton had a grade of 97 each. The current crop of freshman in college is pretty special.

And now 247Sports has released their updated rankings for the Class of 2019 (https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool). Here are the Duke targets:

2. Vernon Carey, Jr. (#1 PF)
4. Matthew Hurt (#2 PF)
7. Cole Anthony (#1 CG)
8. Bryan Antoine (#1 SG)
9. Scottie Lewis (#2 SF)
23. Isaiah Stewart (#6 C)
26. Wendell Moore (#5 SF)
29. Joey Baker (#6 SF)
32. Armando Bacot (#10 C)

[907bluedevils]

Has Duke looked into Precious Achiuwa at all?

[Kedsy]

Has Duke looked into Precious Achiuwa at all?

I hope so, based on name value alone.

[JasonEvans]

Has Duke looked into Precious Achiuwa at all?

We are one of 16 teams listed as being involved with him according to 247...

[907bluedevils]

We are one of 16 teams listed as being involved with him according to 247...

Steadily moving up the rankings, wonder how much effort Duke is putting into his recruitment

[NSDukeFan]

Steadily moving up the rankings, wonder how much effort Duke is putting into his recruitment

Based on how the staff has been recruiting recently, I would guess exactly the appropriate amount.

[MChambers]

I hope so, based on name value alone.

How could they not?

[BD80]

We are one of 16 teams listed as being involved with him according to 247...

So the name isn't pronounced "Precious Few" ...

[Rich]

So the name isn't pronounced "Precious Few" ...

This is how it's pronounced


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-8CSa9xj8

[NSDukeFan]

So the name isn't pronounced "Precious Few" ...

Gesundheit?

[Pghdukie]

Duke to be in New York City tonight checking in on Cole Anthony and Kofi Cockburn.

[JNort]

And now 247Sports has released their updated rankings for the Class of 2019 (https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool). Here are the Duke targets:

2. Vernon Carey, Jr. (#1 PF)
4. Matthew Hurt (#2 PF)
7. Cole Anthony (#1 CG)
8. Bryan Antoine (#1 SG)
9. Scottie Lewis (#2 SF)
23. Isaiah Stewart (#6 C)
26. Wendell Moore (#5 SF)
29. Joey Baker (#6 SF)
32. Armando Bacot (#10 C)

I would to see how we utilize a Center Guard

[Troublemaker]

Duke to be in New York City tonight checking in on Cole Anthony and Kofi Cockburn.

Gonorrheally be exciting if we can sign those two.

[mattman91]

I would to see how we utilize a Center Guard

haven't had one of those since Demarcus Nelson :p

[DavidBenAkiva]

I would to see how we utilize a Center Guard

ESPN seems to be the only service that uses "Combo Guard" as a designation. Daniel Ewing, Nolan Smith, Grayson Allen, etc.

[godins]

Gonorrheally be exciting if we can sign those two.

Syphilis in on what you know about these two — any intel on where we stand?

[4Gen]

Syphilis in on what you know about these two — any intel on where we stand?

Rumor has it ol Roy is going hard after point guards and hopes to have one herpetically sealed soon.

[thedukelamere]

I would to see how we utilize a Center Guard

T-minus 8 months until we get a glimpse at (possibly) a small ball line up with Zion at the 5... Ripping down the board, leading the fast break, ultimately leading to:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RegalOffensiveDutchshepherddog-small.gif

[mattman91]

Gonorrheally be exciting if we can sign those two.

I'm not gonna clap for this. But I will spork you.

[El_Diablo]

Didn't McDonalds have to settle a huge lawsuit back in the 90s regarding Kofi Cockburn?

[mgtr]

Didn't McDonalds have to settle a huge lawsuit back in the 90s regarding Kofi Cockburn?

Um, I thought it was a woman!;)

[El_Diablo]

Um, I thought it was a woman!;)

That's right. I was thinking of Kramer.

[IrishDevil]

I'm not gonna clap for this. But I will spork you.

Why no applause? Feeling crabby?

[BD80]

I'm not gonna clap for this. But I will spork you.

It is this type of unfettered sporking that leads to burning issues ...

[thedukelamere]

Why no applause? Feeling crabby?

Only a few common ones left... just a matter of time before the thread AIDS us with recruiting updates once again!

[GeneBanksManCrush]

Gonorrheally be exciting if we can sign those two.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that Cockburn's mom was a Wasserman.

[MartyClark]

I hate to interrupt the stream of this thread but I'm watching Cole Anthony of Arch Bishop Malloy play. He really looks good.

[DukeBlue666s]

The fact that this board can turn into Pun Central in the blink of an eye is why this board is tops above all else!

[The Gordog]

Uh, JT made the 1% when he signed his rookie contract. I suspect he’ll wind up in the top .001% when he’s done with the NBA.

Actually you need over $10 million in assets to be in the top 1%. So no, not yet.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Actually you need over $10 million in assets to be in the top 1%. So no, not yet.

While wealth is the better metric, most folks do use income as the key metric. And the 1% cutoff is just below $0.5M. So save to say Tatum is a 1%er. I’ll make sure to camp outside Tatum’s home in protest :p

[plimnko]

my fault......i thought i clicked on the 2019 recruiting thread

[brlftz]

The fact that this board can turn into Pun Central in the blink of an eye is why this board is tops above all else!

I’m not a fan of that in threads where a new post gets you excited thinking there’s news. It’s a running frustration on this board for me that 90% of posts in recruiting threads are off topic. Including my post now too.

[richardjackson199]

Respectful request:

Would a mod please correct the typo on the front page article to EJ Montgomery's last name being Montgomery, not Williams? He could be a very important recruit, and it's just good to have their names right.

Thanks!

[DukeWarhead]

Games like today (St John’s) make me care much much less about recruiting

[DavidBenAkiva]

A very interesting development was announced by the USA Basketball and the NCAA. Recruiting expert Adam Zagoria has a write-up of the event on his blog (http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/05/usa-basketball-ncaa-invite-top-24-class-2019-prospects-compete-events-final-four/). The event will be called "Next Generation Sunday" and will be held the Sunday of the Final Four in San Antonio.

In addition to attending the Final Four (so jealous), the players will be split into two squads, competing against the NBA Africa Academy and the NBA Global Academy. NBA scouts are obviously very interesting in attending the event, but it's not clear that will be allowed. As the event will not occur during an evaluation period, college coaches will not be allowed to attend. Unfortunately for the players, they will depart on Sunday night before the National Championship game.

Zagoria does a nice job of speculating if this is an extension of the USA Basketball mini-camps or movement towards a true academy model.

The full rosters haven't been announced yet, but several Duke targets have already been identified. Cole Anthony, Bryan Antoine, Scottie Lewis, Vernon Carey, Jr., and Matthew Hurt will all receive invites. I wouldn't be surprised if Armando Bacot gets invited as well. Joey Baker is a bit of a Top 24 fringe player according to the latest round of recruiting rankings. I hope he gets invited. Who wouldn't want the NCAA to fly you out to the Final Four and put you in a hotel?

[BD80]

A very interesting development was announced by the USA Basketball and the NCAA. Recruiting expert Adam Zagoria has a write-up of the event on his blog (http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/05/usa-basketball-ncaa-invite-top-24-class-2019-prospects-compete-events-final-four/). The event will be called "Next Generation Sunday" and will be held the Sunday of the Final Four in San Antonio.

In addition to attending the Final Four (so jealous), the players will be split into two squads, competing against the NBA Africa Academy and the NBA Global Academy. NBA scouts are obviously very interesting in attending the event, but it's not clear that will be allowed. As the event will not occur during an evaluation period, college coaches will not be allowed to attend. Unfortunately for the players, they will depart on Sunday night before the National Championship game.

Zagoria does a nice job of speculating if this is an extension of the USA Basketball mini-camps or movement towards a true academy model.

The full rosters haven't been announced yet, but several Duke targets have already been identified. Cole Anthony, Bryan Antoine, Scottie Lewis, Vernon Carey, Jr., and Matthew Hurt will all receive invites. I wouldn't be surprised if Armando Bacot gets invited as well. Joey Baker is a bit of a Top 24 fringe player according to the latest round of recruiting rankings. I hope he gets invited. Who wouldn't want the NCAA to fly you out to the Final Four and put you in a hotel?

Coaches are going to be falling all over themselves for position to "accidentally" (incidentally?) bump into the recruits as they go in and out of the hotel. The kids will get a chance to see which coaches have good box-out technique and which ones have the will and determination to get position.

Would Coach K be excluded from viewing the kids if he is on the selection committee for the next US squad?

[kmspeaks]

Would Coach K be excluded from viewing the kids if he is on the selection committee for the next US squad?

See, I knew this USA Basketball stuff was going to be bad for Duke recruiting ;)

[Dukebasketball2020]

3 Star Guard Joseph Girard visiting tonight New Yorks all time leading scorer and only a Junior listed anywhere from 6'1"-6'2" 170 pounds i've watched film on this kid and talk about lights out shooter may be one of the best 3 point shooters in the nation. I'd love to add this kid because you know he will be a 4-5 year guy plus idk where you play if you can shoot you can play at any level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-cZQL3eSdM here is a link with some highlights

[OZZIE4DUKE]

3 Star Guard Joseph Girard visiting tonight New Yorks all time leading scorer and only a Junior listed anywhere from 6'1"-6'2" 170 pounds i've watched film on this kid and talk about lights out shooter may be one of the best 3 point shooters in the nation. I'd love to add this kid because you know he will be a 4-5 year guy plus idk where you play if you can shoot you can play at any level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-cZQL3eSdM here is a link with some highlights

He wears #11. Must be a Bobby Hurley fan! And after watching the linked highlights, his range is out to the Coach K label in Cameron!:cool:

[Truth&Justise]

A very interesting development was announced by the USA Basketball and the NCAA. Recruiting expert Adam Zagoria has a write-up of the event on his blog (http://www.zagsblog.com/2018/02/05/usa-basketball-ncaa-invite-top-24-class-2019-prospects-compete-events-final-four/). The event will be called "Next Generation Sunday" and will be held the Sunday of the Final Four in San Antonio.

In addition to attending the Final Four (so jealous), the players will be split into two squads, competing against the NBA Africa Academy and the NBA Global Academy. NBA scouts are obviously very interesting in attending the event, but it's not clear that will be allowed. As the event will not occur during an evaluation period, college coaches will not be allowed to attend. Unfortunately for the players, they will depart on Sunday night before the National Championship game.

Zagoria does a nice job of speculating if this is an extension of the USA Basketball mini-camps or movement towards a true academy model.

The full rosters haven't been announced yet, but several Duke targets have already been identified. Cole Anthony, Bryan Antoine, Scottie Lewis, Vernon Carey, Jr., and Matthew Hurt will all receive invites. I wouldn't be surprised if Armando Bacot gets invited as well. Joey Baker is a bit of a Top 24 fringe player according to the latest round of recruiting rankings. I hope he gets invited. Who wouldn't want the NCAA to fly you out to the Final Four and put you in a hotel?

Following up: the rosters have been announced (https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/02/usa-next-gen-roster.aspx). Officially this is being termed the "USA Junior National Select Team."

Duke commit Joey Baker is included.

As are all of the recruits you mentioned: Cole Anthony, Bryan Antoine, Scottie Lewis, Vernon Carey, Jr., Matthew Hurt, and Armando Bacot. Plus recruiting targets Isaiah Stewart and Wendell Moore, Jr.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Following up: the rosters have been announced (https://www.usab.com/news-events/news/2018/02/usa-next-gen-roster.aspx). Officially this is being termed the "USA Junior National Select Team."

Duke commit Joey Baker is included.

As are all of the recruits you mentioned: Cole Anthony, Bryan Antoine, Scottie Lewis, Vernon Carey, Jr., Matthew Hurt, and Armando Bacot. Plus recruiting targets Isaiah Stewart and Wendell Moore, Jr.

Awesome! Thanks for posting. Can we somehow influence this so that Anthony, Antoine, Bacot, Baker, Carey, and Lewis are on the same team? Either now or in 2 years. Preferably both.

[DavidBenAkiva]

3 Star Guard Joseph Girard visiting tonight New Yorks all time leading scorer and only a Junior listed anywhere from 6'1"-6'2" 170 pounds i've watched film on this kid and talk about lights out shooter may be one of the best 3 point shooters in the nation. I'd love to add this kid because you know he will be a 4-5 year guy plus idk where you play if you can shoot you can play at any level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-cZQL3eSdM here is a link with some highlights

Very interesting. Seems like the kid is getting a lot of attention. I wonder if Duke can sell him on being a Seth Curry combo guard/multi-year type of player.

If he's Class of 2019, there should be room for him. That year, Bolden (if he's still around) DeLaurier, Robinson, and White will be seniors and Goldwire and O'Connell will be juniors. That's a PG, wing (AOC), combo forward (White), 2 PFs (DeLaurier adn Robinson), and a C. The bench could use another shooter.

[JasonEvans]

Girard's father played for John Beilein at Le Moyne College, so Michigan seems like the leader here. The kid is not even a top 100 recruit, but everyone seems to think his ranking is going to skyrocket as more and more folks admire his perimeter shooting.

[kAzE]

Had to do a Google search on this kid. Seems unreal anybody could break NY state's all time scoring record as a junior.

Holy wanker, this guy averages 50 points a game . . . is he playing against the top competition? I remember Semi Ojeleye averaged like 47 against some lower level competition in high school.

Hard to tell from that short video, but it didn't look like he was playing against major college recruits. If he's 6'1", the tallest guy on the court was maybe 6'5".

[bullettoothtony]

I really like Cole Anthony. Anyone know where we are in his recruitment?

[budwom]

Girard's father played for John Beilein at Le Moyne College, so Michigan seems like the leader here. The kid is not even a top 100 recruit, but everyone seems to think his ranking is going to skyrocket as more and more folks admire his perimeter shooting.

His offer sheet indicates that coaches know more about his talent than the rating guys do at this point...he's going to be a big time recruit, and I like Duke's chances...fine QB as well

[BandAlum83]

Actually you need over $10 million in assets to be in the top 1%. So no, not yet.

A guaranteed contract can certainly be considered an asset, and its present value would certainly be greater than $10 million

[richardjackson199]

I really like Cole Anthony. Anyone know where we are in his recruitment?

I don't know any more than most anybody else here. But 247 CB indicates that Duke could not be in better shape with Cole Anthony, and pretty good shape with Vernon Carey too. The problem is I think there is a strong change neither player will play a day in college if the NBA changes rule that they can go pro straight out of high school with that class. No clue, but I think it happens with that class. So I'm sure Duke is doing their best to be prepared either way. And if Anthony and Carey play in college, I assume Duke is in great shape.

[Duke79UNLV77]

I don't know any more than most anybody else here. But 247 CB indicates that Duke could not be in better shape with Cole Anthony, and pretty good shape with Vernon Carey too. The problem is I think there is a strong change neither player will play a day in college if the NBA changes rule that they can go pro straight out of high school with that class. No clue, but I think it happens with that class. So I'm sure Duke is doing their best to be prepared either way. And if Anthony and Carey play in college, I assume Duke is in great shape.

Maybe, the 3-Star scorer from NY will become the top-ranked player in the class by the time everyone declares for the draft!

[Dev11]

Per his Twitter, Girard now has an offer. Can't imagine K actually offered a 3-star this early, so look for that ranking to change.

[jv001]

Per his Twitter, Girard now has an offer. Can't imagine K actually offered a 3-star this early, so look for that ranking to change.

Maybe Coach K is hedging his bets against the NBA's rule changes that could affect our squads when it happens. GoDuke!

[Troublemaker]

Maybe Coach K is hedging his bets against the NBA's rule changes that could affect our squads when it happens. GoDuke!

That's part of it sure, but he probably IS underranked, too. As budwom said, he has some impressive offers at this point.

[DavidBenAkiva]

Maybe Coach K is hedging his bets against the NBA's rule changes that could affect our squads when it happens. GoDuke!

There was a lot of Crystal Ball activity from Girard towards Duke before the game last night from Duke insiders. Regardless of what happens with Girard in the rankings, it seems that he is going to be a multi-year player (two at minimum). There's always going to be room on the roster for that.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Had to do a Google search on this kid. Seems unreal anybody could break NY state's all time scoring record as a junior.

Holy wanker, this guy averages 50 points a game . . . is he playing against the top competition? I remember Semi Ojeleye averaged like 47 against some lower level competition in high school.

Hard to tell from that short video, but it didn't look like he was playing against major college recruits. If he's 6'1", the tallest guy on the court was maybe 6'5".

He is from a relatively small town near Albany, not too far from where Greg Koubek grew up. For whatever reason, I always associate Girard's hometown of Glens Falls with former wrestling great and native son Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

[budwom]

He is from a relatively small town near Albany, not too far from where Greg Koubek grew up. For whatever reason, I always associate Girard's hometown of Glens Falls with former wrestling great and native son Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

and it's the catheter capital of the world...

[lotusland]

and it's the catheter capital of the world...

Better to be the catheter capital of the World than the World’s catheter I spose. Do they have and monument or welcome sign declaring their title?

8109

[jimsumner]

and it's the catheter capital of the world...

Now that's something to put on a bumper sticker.

[DevilHorse]

He is from a relatively small town near Albany, not too far from where Greg Koubek grew up. For whatever reason, I always associate Girard's hometown of Glens Falls with former wrestling great and native son Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

Saratogo is midway between Glens Falls and Albany. AND it is a great place to play HORSE!

Larry
Devilhorse

[Tappan Zee Devil]

He is from a relatively small town near Albany, not too far from where Greg Koubek grew up. For whatever reason, I always associate Girard's hometown of Glens Falls with former wrestling great and native son Hacksaw Jim Duggan.

Glens Falls is actually about 55 miles north of Albany and about 40 miles north of Clifton Park, where Koubek is from. (It is completely irrelevant, but I grew up in Burnt Hills, which is one town north of Clifton Park). Glens Falls is quite small (pop. 14,000), but even so is probably the largest place between Saratoga Springs (pop 26,000) about 20 miles to the south, and Plattsburgh (pop 20,000) another 100+ miles to the north up near the Canadian border. There is a lot of empty space (and poverty) in far upstate New York.

The kid may be great, but the high school basketball competition up in that part of the state is less than stellar.

[DarkstarWahoo]

Isn’t Jimmer from Glens Falls?

[duketaylor]

Maybe, the 3-Star scorer from NY will become the top-ranked player in the class by the time everyone declares for the draft!

When was the last time a shooting guard was the top-ranked recruit? I dunno, just curious, guessing quite a while back.

[DavidBenAkiva]

When was the last time a shooting guard was the top-ranked recruit? I dunno, just curious, guessing quite a while back.

R.J. Barrett is more or less a shooting guard. Or he will be at Duke and in the NBA.

[dukelifer]

There was a lot of Crystal Ball activity from Girard towards Duke before the game last night from Duke insiders. Regardless of what happens with Girard in the rankings, it seems that he is going to be a multi-year player (two at minimum). There's always going to be room on the roster for that.

50 points per game- that is impressive at any level. Kid can shoot although he has a funny release

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Isn’t Jimmer from Glens Falls?

Great memory! Jimmer is also from there. His Wiki page says he is the leading scorer in Glens Falls HS history, so I guess that has to be updated. I guess they are good at developing gunners up there. If Girard is even close to the player Jimmer was in college, he would be a great get.

[devilish]

Joey Baker’s Trinity Christian defeated Greenfield and UNC recruit, Coby White, to win the North Carolina Independent School 1A championship. White, by the way, is North Carolina’ all-time high school scoring leader. Hope that doesn’t translate well to the next level.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/high-school/article202045229.html

[MChambers]

Joey Baker’s Trinity Christian defeated Greenfield and UNC recruit, Coby White, to win the North Carolina Independent School 1A championship. White, by the way, is North Carolina’ all-time high school scoring leader. Hope that doesn’t translate well to the next level.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/high-school/article202045229.html

If it comes with losing to Duke guys, he’ll fit in well at UNC!

[907bluedevils]

Isaiah Stewart will the in the house Saturday for the UNC game

[DukeBlue666s]

... down to the 4th page already ...

Were there any recruits at the game last night? For the 2018 class?

I think the second half of last nights game would have been eye poppin for any recruit! Wondering if 2-Chains signed his LOI while hanging out with K last night?!