2017 NBA Summer League Thread

[awhom111]

Not to be confused with the general NBA Summer Thread.

In preparation for this one, I read last year's thread. It would be nice to stay more on-topic this year...

Shockingly, the Knicks were actually the first team to make an announcement. Here are Marshall's teammates:
http://www.nba.com/knicks/knicks-participate-orlando-pro-summer-league-0

Rasheed will play with the Hornets after his season at their D League affiliate:
http://www.nba.com/hornets/hornets-announce-2017-orlando-pro-summer-league-roster

Games start Saturday.

[JasonEvans]

Rasheed will play with the Hornets after his season at their D League affiliate:
http://www.nba.com/hornets/hornets-announce-2017-orlando-pro-summer-league-roster

I was looking at the roster and noticed that they think Malik Monk was born in 1988, making him 29 years old. No wonder he had such a good year for Kentucky, he was a man playing with boys.

I also noticed that there actually is someone born in 1988 on the Hornets roster. Kris Joseph of Syracuse. He graduated in 2012... he's kinda old for the Summer League.

[Troublemaker]

Looking forward to Summer League. Both for the Duke players who will be in action and also possibly some game recaps by brevity.

[English]

I was looking at the roster and noticed that they think Malik Monk was born in 1988, making him 29 years old. No wonder he had such a good year for Kentucky, he was a man playing with boys.

I also noticed that there actually is someone born in 1988 on the Hornets roster. Kris Joseph of Syracuse. He graduated in 2012... he's kinda old for the Summer League.

Sadly (kind of), BuzzCity announced that Malik Monk sprained his ankle during pre-draft workouts and will miss summer league.

[awhom111]

Here are the teammates that Luke and Michael Gbinije will have with the Pistons:
http://www.nba.com/pistons/detroit-pistons-announce-schedule-and-roster-orlando-summer-league

The Pacers have announced a player roster, but not all of their coaches so it is unclear if David McClure will be involved in any capacity:
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/pacers-announce-rookie/free-agent-camp-roster-2017

The Magic only have one team this year as another defection from their league will allow for an even eight teams in the first summer league:
http://www.nba.com/magic/news/orlando-magic-release-summer-league-roster-20170627

The Raptors also announce as teams seem to be a bit better this year:
http://www.nba.com/raptors/press-releases/raptors-announce-2017-nba-summer-league-roster

[JasonEvans]

The Raptors also announce as teams seem to be a bit better this year:
http://www.nba.com/raptors/press-releases/raptors-announce-2017-nba-summer-league-roster

Kennedy Meeks on the Raptors roster.

[Indoor66]

Kennedy Meeks on the Raptors roster.

Who pays for the food?

[flyingdutchdevil]

Who pays for the food?

I feel like every fat UNC player gets a ring. Doesn't make me happy.

Is this what Kendall Marshall felt like when he tweeted that every Plumlee has a ring?

[ChillinDuke]

Looking forward to Summer League. Both for the Duke players who will be in action and also possibly some game recaps by brevity.

HIDALGO, TX (http://gleague.nba.com/games/20170427/rgvrap/) - ...

- Chillin

[NSDukeFan]

HIDALGO, TX (http://gleague.nba.com/games/20170427/rgvrap/) - ...

- Chillin

Bruno Caboclos scored 31 points. He can't be any more than 2 years away. https://hashtagbasketball.com/toronto-raptors/content/bruno-caboclo-still-2-years-from-being-2-years-away

[awhom111]

No real Duke storylines in these rosters:

Heat:
http://www.nba.com/heat/news/heat-summer-league-2017

Mavericks:
https://www.mavs.com/mavericks-announce-orlando-pro-summer-league-roster-schedule/

Warriors:
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/summer-league-roster-schedule-20170627

[JasonEvans]

Warriors:
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/summer-league-roster-schedule-20170627

I'll make a prediction right now -- Patrick McCaw will be one of the leading contenders for Las Vegas Summer League MVP.

[awhom111]

For those of you who have been following these threads over time, it certainly seems like teams are announcing sooner. We only have a few left.

Harry and the Kings:
http://www.nba.com/kings/news/kings-announce-2017-nba-summer-league-roster

Brandon and the Lakers:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/170629-lakers-summer-league-roster

Quinn and Frank and the Pelicans (has anyone heard whether Frank is in game shape?):
http://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/pelicans-announce-nba-summer-league-2017-roster-and-mini-camp-schedule

Bucks:
http://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-announce-2017-summer-league-roster

Grizzlies:
http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/grizzlies-announce-nba-summer-league-2017-roster

Nuggets:
http://www.nba.com/nuggets/denver-nuggets-announce-nba-summer-league-roster

Spurs (I believe the Sean Dockery listed as an assistant is our Sean with the Spurs literally having more coaches listed than players):
http://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-announce-2017-utah-summer-league-roster

Thunder:
http://files.constantcontact.com/43f0f7c4501/bb7b3b8f-9d62-4bf3-9c6d-86f7707c127d.pdf

Trailblazers:
http://www.nba.com/blazers/trail-blazers-announce-2017-summer-league-roster

Saturday is the start of the Orlando League. All games are live on both NBATV and ESPN3 with times listed in Eastern Daylight:
Hornets vs Heat, 11am
Magic vs Pacers, 1pm
Knicks (Marshall) vs Mavericks, 3pm
Thunder vs Pistons (Luke), 5pm

[JasonEvans]

Harry and the Kings:
http://www.nba.com/kings/news/kings-announce-2017-nba-summer-league-roster

The Kings are going to roll out a veritable college all-star team. De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Frank Mason III, Skal Labissiere, Harry Giles, and Justin Jackson. Dayum!

[CDu]

No surprise that the Bulls will be one of the last teams to announce their roster.

[BD80]

No surprise that the Bulls will be one of the last teams to announce their roster.

They are still scouring the local YMCAs to fill out the roster.

[Furniture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBA/status/881287540564787201/video/1

30min16pts4/6 3PT3asts1stl

[brevity]

Kennard gets Summer League buckets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBA/status/881287540564787201/video/1

30min16pts4/6 3PT3asts1stl

I watched the end of this game, when Ellenson took all the long-distance shots and OKC kept cutting into the lead until it was theirs.

There's been a request for my recaps, but I need an angle. I'm not that interested in Kennedy Meeks because he lost the weight -- so skinny you can't see his hand clearly out of bounds -- and stole Gonzaga's title.

I could try Tony Bradley once the Vegas Summer League starts, but honestly, I don't know enough about him to care. Is there an overrated non-UNC player I can cover? Someone Kaminsky-esque?

[awhom111]

The Summer League started in Orlando with the Hornets beating the Heat 74-67. Rasheed Sulaimon, fresh off signing with Dijon in France, had 4 points in 20 minutes. Johnny O'Bryant and Jake Odum were the first players to collect 7 fouls this year.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170701/CHAMIA#/boxscore

The Pacers beat the Magic 85-74 in a game with no Duke players and no excessive fouling.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170701/ORLIND#/boxscore

Marshall had 8 points and 6 rebounds in 26 minutes in an 80-75 Knicks loss to the Mavericks. Chasson Randle managed to hit the 7 foul mark.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170701/NYKDAL#/boxscore

Luke had 16 points in 30 minutes in his debut as the Pistons lost to the Thunder 92-91. Michael Gbinije had 7 points in 30 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170701/OKCDET#/boxscore

Here is Sunday's schedule (times EDT, games live on both NBATV and ESPN3):
Knicks (Marshal) vs Pistons (Luke), 1pm
Magic vs Heat, 3pm
Pacers vs Hornets, 5pm

[awhom111]

Marshall had 10 points and 9 rebounds in 28 minutes while Luke had 14 points in 28 minutes in a 103-78 win. Michael Gbinije had 8 points in 22 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170702/NYKDET#/boxscore

The Magic then beat the Heat 81-68.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170702/ORLMIA#/boxscore

Rasheed Sulaimon had 8 points in 23 minutes as the Hornets lost to the Pacers 84-77.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170702/INDCHA#/boxscore

Here is Monday's schedule (times EDT, games live on both NBATV and ESPN3):
Knicks (Marshall) vs Thunder, 1pm
Magic vs Mavericks, 3pm
Pacers vs Heat, 5pm
Celtics (Jayson) vs Sixers, 7pm
Spurs vs Jazz, 9pm

The Jazz have not officially announced a roster yet even though they play tomorrow.

The Sixers decided to sneak one through in this form:
http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/sixers-finalize-2017-summer-league-roster

For whatever reason, the Celtics seem averse to actually publishing a roster, although all their news sources have it, so I will link this one for Jayson and Semi's teammates:
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/wjEJFYtCFjUggJHSfkCyyxbodZE=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8774705/BOS_SL_Roster.png

[JasonEvans]

The Sixers decided to sneak one through in this form:
http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/sixers-finalize-2017-summer-league-roster

The Sixers roster is a veritable whos-who of highly touted prospects who went to Kentucky and saw their NBA dreams die. While Cal and the media love to talk about how he has a NBA pipeline there in the Bluegrass state, the reality is that he has had his fair share of misses too. The Sixers roster includes Alex Poythress, Aaron Harrison, and Isaiah Briscoe (who seemed less than delighted at how his Kentucky career went when asked about it (https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-nba-draft-combine-isaiah-briscoe-annoyed-2017)at the NBA combine a couple months ago).

-Jason "I feel sorry for Aaron Harrison. His identical twin, Andrew has always been pretty much the same player, but now Andrew is making $1 mil per season in the NBA and Aaron is spending most of his time with a D/G League team" Evans

[Furniture]

Ok basketball experts. Since Rasheed has signed to Dijon France why is he still playing for the Hornets Summer League team?

[subzero02]

Adebayo had a great first quarter for the Heat. 12 points... 6 for 6 from the line and a steal at the top of the key that led to a euro-step and layup...

[timmy c]

Ok basketball experts. Since Rasheed has signed to Dijon France why is he still playing for the Hornets Summer League team?

I imagine that Rasheed is hoping to get noticed by an NBA squad. Playing in the d-league, in front of scouts, is one way to do this.

[Furniture]

The Philly v Boston game is really good. Interesting watching Semi, Tatum and Fultz.

[DukeTrinity11]

JAYSON TATUM ICE COLD WITH THE GAME WINNER!!! :cool::D

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/7/3/15918012/boston-celtics-top-76ers-89-88-on-jayson-tatum-game-winner

Not a bad way to start out your professional career eh?

[DukeTrinity11]

https://streamable.com/3xba6

[subzero02]

JAYSON TATUM ICE COLD WITH THE GAME WINNER!!! :cool::D

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/7/3/15918012/boston-celtics-top-76ers-89-88-on-jayson-tatum-game-winner

Not a bad way to start out your professional career eh?

Over rated... honestly, he looked too comfortable out there. I was also very impressed by Fultz. This draft might have been shallow in terms of franchise level talent but it might have more starter/rotation level talent than expected. Kennard and Tatum are on another level offensively when compared to their teammates.

[tbyers11]

JAYSON TATUM ICE COLD WITH THE GAME WINNER!!! :cool::D

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/7/3/15918012/boston-celtics-top-76ers-89-88-on-jayson-tatum-game-winner

Not a bad way to start out your professional career eh?

Game winner was clutch. The thunder dunk was awesome. The fake turnaround/step through against Fultz might have been my favorite though. All the highlights in the link below


http://nba.cdn.turner.com/nba/big/video/2017/07/03/dd47eb7c-e193-454c-8db3-9af297865589.nba_1508568_1920x1080_5904.mp4

[Green Wave Dukie]

Adebayo had a great first quarter for the Heat. 12 points... 6 for 6 from the line and a steal at the top of the key that led to a euro-step and layup...

Saw him several times in high school and he was like a man among boys. Think he could be really, really good. And I know someone who knows him real well and says he is a really, really good young man.

[elvis14]

JAYSON TATUM ICE COLD WITH THE GAME WINNER!!! :cool::D

https://www.celticsblog.com/2017/7/3/15918012/boston-celtics-top-76ers-89-88-on-jayson-tatum-game-winner

Not a bad way to start out your professional career eh?

Followed that link and read the article. Nice to see Jayson with a great start. Then at the bottom of the page it says "Tyler Zeller waived by Celtics"...so not just one but two pieces of good news for the C's

[awhom111]

Marshall had 6 points in 21 minutes in a 99-87 loss. The key is that he limited himself to 6 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170703/NYKOKC#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Magic 86-76. There is no foul news, but NBA.com still has Ding Yanyuhang listed as Ding Ding, which is funny to me for some reason. Maybe if I was playing, they would list me as Tan Tan.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170703/ORLDAL#/boxscore

The Pacers beat the Heat 86-83. Jarnell Stokes hit the 8 foul mark in the win while Zach Auguste also made it there in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170703/INDMIA#/boxscore

The final tally was 21 points and 7 rebounds in 33 minutes for Jayson in a 89-88 final against the Sixers. Semi had 5 points in 29 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170703/BOSPHI#/boxscore

The Jazz beat the Spurs 87-74.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170703/SASUTA#/boxscore

Here is Tuesday's schedule (times EDT, games live on both NBATV and ESPN3):
Hornets vs Thunder, 1pm
Pacers vs Mavericks, 3pm
Heat vs Pistons (Luke), 5pm

The Jazz actually did release a roster, but apparently only through their PR Twitter account, which nobody else picked up and posted. They may have just been trying to hide the fact that they picked up J.P. Tokoto so that brevity would not be prepared to roast them. There is no truth to the rumor that Utah is considering loosening their infamous liquor laws to make it easier for those not restricted by religion to cope with the situation.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDh-LyHXkAM5jmX.jpg

Nets:
http://www.nba.com/nets/news/2017/07/03/brooklyn-nets-announce-summer-league-roster

[awhom111]

The Sixers roster is a veritable whos-who of highly touted prospects who went to Kentucky and saw their NBA dreams die. While Cal and the media love to talk about how he has a NBA pipeline there in the Bluegrass state, the reality is that he has had his fair share of misses too. The Sixers roster includes Alex Poythress, Aaron Harrison, and Isaiah Briscoe (who seemed less than delighted at how his Kentucky career went when asked about it (https://www.seccountry.com/kentucky/kentucky-nba-draft-combine-isaiah-briscoe-annoyed-2017)at the NBA combine a couple months ago).

-Jason "I feel sorry for Aaron Harrison. His identical twin, Andrew has always been pretty much the same player, but now Andrew is making $1 mil per season in the NBA and Aaron is spending most of his time with a D/G League team" Evans

To me, the lesson in Calipari's system is that you should go when the time is right instead of believing that you can improve your draft stock because he already has your replacement in the wings whether you stay or go. Briscoe figured it out a year too late when he could have been in the D League or even drafted and given the opportunity to improve the skills he needed sooner. I think the Harrisons would both have been better off leaving after their freshmen years and learning the hard lessons early rather than staying another year and helping their egos, but not their draft stocks. The Harrisons are actually right at around the same career earnings so I think both still have the opportunity to outshine the other.


Ok basketball experts. Since Rasheed has signed to Dijon France why is he still playing for the Hornets Summer League team?

Reasons from Rasheed's perspective:
-He may have a clause in his contract that would allow him to terminate it if he got an NBA deal.
-He still gets the chance to impress NBA and overseas scouts for future deals.
-He would be playing basketball regardless, either doing individual or group workouts or playing in a local Pro-Am or The Basketball Tournament, and this is still the best place to play right now.

Reasons from Dijon's perspective:
-Rasheed needs to stay in shape before he joins the team.
-Rasheed gets high level competition before their preseason.

Reasons from Charlotte's perspective:
-They still want to scout him for the future.
-They still need backups to swallow some of the minutes off the bench.
-He played in Greensboro last season, so he probably knows their system better than other people on the team, which makes him valuable in teaching the other players and also likely knowing what he's doing most of the time on the court.

[awhom111]

Rasheed did not play as the Hornets beat the Thunder 95-81. Yannis Morin hit the 7 foul mark.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170704/CHAOKC#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Pacers 94-79 and nobody fouled too much.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170704/INDDAL#/boxscore

Luke had 18 points in 31 minutes, hitting the free throws that sent the game to overtime before the Pistons won 73-71 in the second extra frame, which is sudden death. Zach Auguste had 7 fouls in the loss for the Heat.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170704/MIADET#/boxscore

Here is Wednesday's schedule (times EDT, games live on both NBATV and ESPN3):
Mavericks vs Thunder, 1pm
Hornets vs Pistons (Luke), 3pm
Magic vs Knicks (Marshall), 5pm
Celtics (Jayson) vs Spurs, 7pm
Sixers vs Jazz, 9pm

[devildeac]

Rasheed did not play as the Hornets beat the Thunder 95-81. Yannis Morin hit the 7 foul mark.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170704/CHAOKC#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Pacers 94-79 and nobody fouled too much.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170704/INDDAL#/boxscore

Luke had 18 points in 31 minutes, hitting the free throws that sent the game to overtime before the Pistons won 73-71 in the second extra frame, which is sudden death. Zach Auguste had 7 fouls in the loss for the Heat.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170704/MIADET#/boxscore

Here is Wednesday's schedule (times EDT, games live on both NBATV and ESPN3):
Mavericks vs Thunder, 1pm
Hornets vs Pistons (Luke), 3pm
Magic vs Knicks (Marshall), 5pm
Celtics (Jayson) vs Spurs, 7pm
Sixers vs Jazz, 9pm

Looking forward to the first tokoto sighting/report tomorrow night :rolleyes: .

[JasonEvans]

the Pistons won 73-71 in the second extra frame, which is sudden death.

Wait.... what?!?! Sudden death basketball? Like, first team that scores wins the game?

[subzero02]

Wait... what?!?! Sudden death basketball? Like, first team that scores wins the game?

https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2014/07/nba-summer-league-sudden-death-basketball/amp

The second overtime is a sudden death affair... some have suggested that the same rules should apply to the second half of the upcoming wisconsin/uva challenge match up.

[Truth&Justise]

Wait... what?!?! Sudden death basketball? Like, first team that scores wins the game?

Team USA had a scrimmage in 2010 that ended with a sudden-death alley-oop in overtime (http://archive.usab.com/mens/national/2010_world_basketball_festival_2010_08_12.html).


The teams were well balanced, so well balanced that at the end of ‘regulation,’ the score was tied 47-all.

So, since the rest of the night was hoops with a twist, the extra period also contained a little something extra. Coach K decided that the game should end in a sudden death.


USA Blue won the tip and the ball found its way to Rondo, who moved the ball up the court. The first Blue shot was off the mark, but Chandler leapt up and tipped the ball back out to Rondo. He returned the favor several seconds later with a pin-point accurate, alley-oop pass to Chandler for the ‘golden basket’ and his only bucket of the game.

Interesting to note, team USA Blue that night had Durant, Curry, and Iguodala. Imagine how unfair it would be for a regular team to have that level of talent!

[ChillinDuke]

I watched the end of this game, when Ellenson took all the long-distance shots and OKC kept cutting into the lead until it was theirs.

There's been a request for my recaps, but I need an angle. I'm not that interested in Kennedy Meeks because he lost the weight -- so skinny you can't see his hand clearly out of bounds -- and stole Gonzaga's title.

I could try Tony Bradley once the Vegas Summer League starts, but honestly, I don't know enough about him to care. Is there an overrated non-UNC player I can cover? Someone Kaminsky-esque?

Uh oh.

Post #32.

- Chillin

[brevity]

The Jazz actually did release a roster, but apparently only through their PR Twitter account, which nobody else picked up and posted. They may have just been trying to hide the fact that they picked up J.P. Tokoto so that brevity would not be prepared to roast them. There is no truth to the rumor that Utah is considering loosening their infamous liquor laws to make it easier for those not restricted by religion to cope with the situation.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDh-LyHXkAM5jmX.jpg


Looking forward to the first tokoto sighting/report tomorrow night :rolleyes: .


Uh oh.

I watched most of tonight's Sixers-Jazz game. It just ended, and Tokoto didn't play. On the official box score, next to Tokoto's name, it says "DNP - AVOIDING MOCKERY".

Tomorrow night is the "No Hard Feelings, Right?" Classic: Jazz vs. Celtics. Tokoto Time! If ever there were a time to unleash a wing player that will make Utahns forget about Gordon Hayward, this is it.

[Furniture]

https://mobile.twitter.com/celtics/status/882785260840210433/video/1

Boston has to be loving this!

.@jaytatum0 (https://mobile.twitter.com/jaytatum0) recorded a double-double tonight with 23 points & 10 rebounds.

[Furniture]

http://www.msgnetworks.com/videos/plumlee-grateful-for-chance-with-knicks/

As President of the Marshall Plumlee fan club I am always on the look out for interesting news on our boy.
This one is highly recommended.

[awhom111]

The final day before the playoffs in Orlando started with the Mavericks beating the Thunder 96-75.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170705/DALOKC#/boxscore

Luke had 14 points in 29 minutes in an 87-82 win. Michael Gbinije had 12 points in 30 minutes, but Rasheed Sulaimon was a DNP-Sent to Punnery.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170705/CHADET#/boxscore

Marshall had 9 points and 9 rebounds in 24 minutes in an 84-73 Knicks loss to the Magic.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170705/ORLNYK#/boxscore

Jayson had 23 points and 10 rebounds in 31 minutes in an 81-70 Celtics loss to the Spurs. Semi Ojeleye had 7 points in 22 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170705/BOSSAS#/boxscore

The day ended with the Jazz beating the Sixers 100-94.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170705/PHIUTA#/boxscore

Here is Thursday's schedule (times EDT, games live on both NBATV and ESPN3):
Knicks vs Heat, 8am
Hornets vs Magic, 10am
Thunder vs Pacers, 12pm
Pistons (Luke) vs Mavericks, 2pm
Sixers vs Spurs, 7pm
Celtics (Jayson) vs Jazz, 9pm

Amile's Timberwolves teammates:
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/timberwolves-announce-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-2017-las-vegas-roster

Matt's Rockets teammates:
http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/rockets-compete-nba-summer-league-2017-0

Bulls:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-2017-summer-league-roster

Cavaliers:
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/summer-league-roster-2017

The Suns also tried to sneak through by only tweeting and not writing about their roster:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD2izjxVYAApgC9.jpg

[Furniture]

I think Quinn will be playing as well.
http://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/pelicans-announce-nba-summer-league-2017-roster-and-mini-camp-schedule

[BigZ]

Why is Donte Exum playing in the Summer League

[nmduke2001]

Why is Donte Exum playing in the Summer League

He asked to play the Utah league. I think they play Vegas too but I don't think he'll play Vegas.

[awhom111]

The day of playoffs in Orlando started with the two winless teams playing for 7th place in the morning. Marshall had 9 points in 19 minutes and the Knicks got their first win 91-72 over the Heat.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170706/NYKMIA#/boxscore

Rasheed Sulaimon was completely off the roster as the Hornets beat the Magic 86-78 for 5th place. Hassan Martin took advantage of the higher foul limit for the last time with 7 fouls in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170706/CHAORL#/boxscore

The Pacers beat the Thunder 89-80 for 3rd place and Jarnell Stokes racked up 8 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170706/OKCIND#/boxscore

Luke finished with 24 points in 33 minutes, but the Pistons could not win in overtime this time as the Mavericks won 83-81. Luis Montero was the last foul limit breaker of the season there with 7 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170706/DETDAL#/boxscore

The last day in Utah started with the Sixers beating the Spurs 94-86.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170706/PHISAS#/boxscore

Jayson had 12 points and 12 rebounds in 32 minutes as the Celtics lost to the Jazz 68-65.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170706/BOSUTA#/boxscore

Here is Friday's schedule (times EDT, games live on both NBATV will also be on ESPN3):
Raptors vs Pelicans (Quinn), 6:00pm NBATV
Bucks vs Cavaliers, 6:30pm ESPN2
Nets vs Hawks, 8:00pm NBATV
Clippers vs Lakers (Brandon), 8:30pm ESPN
Rockets (Matt) vs Nuggets, 10:00pm NBATV
Suns vs Kings (Harry), 10:30pm ESPN2

The Hawks are annoyingly late with an official roster.

Clippers:
http://www.nba.com/clippers/press-release-la-clippers-announce-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-roster-schedule

Sometimes saying someone has old man game is a compliment, but with Ike Diogu suiting up for the Wizards, it just seems like a description of him:
https://washingtonwizardsblog.monumentalsportsnetwork.com/2017/07/05/mac-mccullough-and-ochefu-headline-wizards-summer-league-roster

[huey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ArnqPUSa8E&feature=youtu.be

Had to post those Luke highlights. Gonna miss his old man game at Duke.

[nmduke2001]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2720250-brad-stevens-says-celtics-have-3-not-5-positions-now

"Tatum will play wherever," the coach said. "He can handle the ball. He can move it. ... He's at least a wing because he can really handle the ball, too. And he can shoot it and do all those things. He's a very versatile player."

[subzero02]

I think Ball is going to enjoy having a player like Ingram to pass to. Ingram's stroke looks effortless and his ball handling has definitely improved.

[dukelifer]

I think Ball is going to enjoy having a player like Ingram to pass to. Ingram's stroke looks effortless and his ball handling has definitely improved.

Ball 2-15. Not good for the brand

[Furniture]

Meanwhile Brandon (looks a little bit like Kev) Ingram gets...

32min26pts9/17 FG7/8 FT3asts3stls2blks

[Furniture]

Duke in the NBA @DukeNBA (https://mobile.twitter.com/DukeNBA)·11s (https://mobile.twitter.com/DukeNBA/status/883525610831847424)




Welp, Harry Giles isn't dressed tonight. Looked like he practiced all week. Maybe tweaked something

[rsvman]

Ball 2-15. Not good for the brand

"Must be the shoes."

[MrPoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ArnqPUSa8E&feature=youtu.be

Had to post those Luke highlights. Gonna miss his old man game at Duke.

Something must be wrong, not a single hair brush back by Luke, without that, are they actual Luke highlights?

[awhom111]

Las Vegas games started with Quinn providing 16 points in 29 minutes, but the Pelicans lost 96-93.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170707/TORNOP#/boxscore

The Cavaliers bamboozled the Bucks 82-53.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170707/MILCLE#/boxscore

Nathan Boothe and Richard Solomon were the first players to hit the 7 foul mark as the Nets beat the Hawks 75-72.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170707/BKNATL#/boxscore

Brandon finished with 26 points in 31 minutes in the Lakers' 96-93 loss to the Clippers as Sindarius Thornwell hit the 8 foul mark.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170707/LACLAL#/boxscore

Matt did not play as the Rockets beat the Nuggets 102-99. Malik Beasley reached 7 fouls in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170707/HOUDEN#/boxscore

Harry did not play as the Kings lost to the Suns 89-85 in a foulfest. Georgios Papagiannis had 8 and Jack Cooley had 7 for the Kings while Marquese Chriss reached 9 and Dragan Bender had 7 for the Suns.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170707/PHXSAC#/boxscore

Here is Saturday's schedule (times EDT):
Wizards vs Grizzlies, 4:00pm ESPNU
Mavericks vs Bulls, 4:30pm NBATV/ESPN3
Trailblazers vs Jazz, 6:00pm ESPNU
Raptors vs Timberwolves (Amile), 6:30pm NBATV/ESPN3
Heat vs Spurs, 8:00pm ESPNU
Celtics vs Lakers (Brandon), 8:30pm ESPN
Rockets (Matt) vs Cavaliers, 10:00pm ESPNU
Sixers vs Warriors, 10:30pm ESPN

The Hawks at least managed to release a roster before their game:
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/hawks-announce-2017-summer-league-roster?cid=hawks_17summerleague_s_070717_t_roster

The Mavericks have a very different Las Vegas roster from their Orlando one:
https://www.mavs.com/mavericks-announce-roster-schedule-mgm-resorts-nba-summer-league-2017/

The Spurs made a few tweaks:
http://www.nba.com/spurs/spurs-announce-2017-las-vegas-summer-league-roster

[Furniture]

Harry Giles will not play in Summer League. He's not hurt, the Kings are allowing him to get stronger and develop with the team.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarmichaelDave/status/883555403866324992

[cspan37421]

as Sindarius Thornwell hit the 8 foul mark.


But what about that vaunted SC defense? Might it have been based on daring the referees to call fouls? :rolleyes:

[lotusland]

But what about that vaunted SC defense? Might it have been based on daring the referees to call fouls? :rolleyes:

The Cocks played solid D all year. They played tough against Duke and deserved the win. Duke played with fire throughout the ACC Tournament with big comeback after big comeback. Against SC they scored enough but just couldn't get the stops they needed to win. That Duke team was just beginning to reach its potential despite minimal contribution from Giles and Bolden but they were vulnerable and just got beat. A couple of foul calls here or there doesn't change the outcome. Thornwell was a very good college ball player. We'll see if he can find a Malcom Brogan type niche in he pros.

[burnspbesq]

I know it's just gratuitously mean of me, but I couldn't help but smile after reading the words "Lonzo's nightmarish debut" on espn.com.

[JasonEvans]

Folks,

It isn't that big a deal, but can we please try to keep posts about various free agent moves or trades confined to the NBA Summer thread and not mix them in with the Summer League discussion? Just for the sake of keeping conversations straight, it would be helpful.

Thanks.

[rtnorthrup]

Just read that the Lakers are going to hold Ingram out for the rest of Summer League, due to the leg cramp issue. Seems like they saw enough from him yesterday and are going to be overly conservative with him.

Sadly we wont get Ingram v Tatum tonight.

[SilkyJ]

Watching the Celts/Lakers game and they showed all the coaches watching. Thibs was talking to Nolan Smith, which was noted by PJ as he announced. Nolan was wearing a Duke jersey...I'm guessing he's networking and trying to work his way up in the world?? I know this happens in a big way at the final four (all the assistants are there hob-knobbing), so makes sense that summer league could be a good venue for this as well, even for a very junior college asst like Nolan.

[Troublemaker]

Watching the Celts/Lakers game and they showed all the coaches watching. Thibs was talking to Nolan Smith, which was noted by PJ as he announced. Nolan was wearing a Duke jersey...I'm guessing he's networking and trying to work his way up in the world?? I know this happens in a big way at the final four (all the assistants are there hob-knobbing), so makes sense that summer league could be a good venue for this as well, even for a very junior college asst like Nolan.

Sure, that should always be part of it for any young person trying to make it in a new career. But, they also just know each other from USA Basketball training camps in Las Vegas; among the Duke assistants, only Capel went overseas for the actual games, but all of them participated in the Vegas training camp, where Thibs, of course, was also present as a USA assistant.

[Dukehky]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

[JNort]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

Too early to tell. Fultz looks great so far as does Brown and as does Tatum.

[awhom111]

Another day in Las Vegas started with the Grizzlies beating the Wizards 91-88. Jarrell Martin and Deyonta Davis both had 8 fouls in the win and Daniel Ochefu had 7 in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/WASMEM#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Bulls 91-75 with no foul mayhem.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/DALCHI#/boxscore

The Trailblazers beat the Jazz 72-63 with 7 fouls from Caleb Swanigan while Eric Griffin had 8 fouls in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/PORUTA#/boxscore

Amile made his debut with 2 points in 18 minutes as the Timberwolves lost to the Raptors 97-72.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/TORMIN#/boxscore

The Heat beat the Spurs 75-74 with nobody getting in foul trouble.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/MIASAS#/boxscore

Jayson finished with 27 points and 11 rebounds in 33 minutes as Brandon got the night off and saw the Celtics beat the Lakers 86-81. Semi Ojeleye had 19 points in 29 minutes. Jaylen Brown figured it was a good time to commit 7 fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/BOSLAL#/boxscore

Matt made his debut with 7 points in 13 minutes as the Rockets lost to the Cavaliers 95-90 in overtime. Zhou Qi figured that he had set expectations too high in the first game and picked up 7 fouls while Kay Felder decided that 9 fouls was a good goal.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/HOUCLE#/boxscore

The Sixers beat the Warriors 95-93. Trust the process.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170708/PHIGSW#/boxscore

Here is Saturday's schedule (times EDT, NBATV games also on ESPN3):
Hawks vs Pelican (Quinn), 4:00pm NBATV
Suns vs Mavericks, 4:30pm ESPN
Bucks vs Nets, 6:00pm NBATV
Timberwolves (Amile) vs Nuggets, 6:30pm ESPN2
Jazz vs Clippers, 8:00pm NBATV
Trailblazers vs Celtics, 8:30pm ESPN2
Grizzlies vs Kings, 10:00pm NBATV
Sixers vs Spurs, 10:30pm ESPN2

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

I agree with you, and have been stating this for awhile. He is going to be the real deal.

[dukelifer]

Tatum is better than Fultz and Ball. Tatum is WAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Jaylen Brown.

That is all.

Tatum does not look afraid out there and is demanding the ball in critical moments. Not sure who is better but Tatum is going to get minutes on a very good team. Fultz will start - most likely- on a promising team so he may have some more opportunities to improve faster.

All I know is that Ball has a strange looking shot. Must have learned that from Dad ;)

[Dukehky]

Too early to tell. Fultz looks great so far as does Brown and as does Tatum.

Other than Brown's first game where he dominated the ball, his offense has been pretty poor. He had an aggressive series against LeBron that lead people to think he's going to be special. He was a controversial #3 pick in one of the worst drafts ever. His absolute ceiling is a less good Avery Bradley.

[Indoor66]

Other than Brown's first game where he dominated the ball, his offense has been pretty poor. He had an aggressive series against LeBron that lead people to think he's going to be special. He was a controversial #3 pick in one of the worst drafts ever. His absolute ceiling is a less good Avery Bradley.

Boy, does that leave a lot of room to be wrong! LOL :cool:

[dukebluesincebirth]

Thanks to everyone for posting all the summer league info...the one guy I've really been wondering about is Harry Giles. I've seen lots of Tatum highlights (impressive) and discussion about others. Any video of Giles out there? What's the word?

[dukebluesincebirth]

Thanks to everyone for posting all the summer league info...the one guy I've really been wondering about is Harry Giles. I've seen lots of Tatum highlights (impressive) and discussion about others. Any video of Giles out there? What's the word?

Never mind, sorry... I had missed post #57. That sucks. Doesn't sound like it's off to a good start.

[sagegrouse]

Thanks to everyone for posting all the summer league info...the one guy I've really been wondering about is Harry Giles. I've seen lots of Tatum highlights (impressive) and discussion about others. Any video of Giles out there? What's the word?


Never mind, sorry... I had missed post #57. That sucks. Doesn't sound like it's off to a good start.

Summer league is "Cautious" with a capital C. Brandon Ingram got a leg cramp; he exchanged looks with Magic Johnson, and he knew he wasn't playing in any more games this summer.

[SilkyJ]

Sure, that should always be part of it for any young person trying to make it in a new career. But, they also just know each other from USA Basketball training camps in Las Vegas; among the Duke assistants, only Capel went overseas for the actual games, but all of them participated in the Vegas training camp, where Thibs, of course, was also present as a USA assistant.

Yep, but was just more surprised that he's at the Vegas summer league versus being back home while the team is practicing. Seems a bit out of place that's he's there in general given he's a low level assistant at Duke (not even an official assistant), so the NBA seems a bit out of reach for him right now from a coaching perspective. Moreover, all the new guys arrived on campus recently and are starting their light summer workouts.

Not totally unusual to see him there, but a bit surprised.

[SilkyJ]

Quinn Cook had 25/5/5 today vs Ryan Kelly (8pts) as the Pelicans lost to the Hawks in a tight one. Quinn was the leader on the floor and looked like he belonged. Frank was in street clothes for NO, presumably recovering from that surgery still?

Quinn has looked good so far and looks like a solid backup PG. Can someone remind of his contract situation? He looks like he should stick somewhere regardless, but can't remember if this year with NOP is guaranteed yet--IIRC it's not guaranteed at this point and he still has to get through training camp...

[CDu]

Quinn Cook had 25/5/5 today vs Ryan Kelly (8pts) as the Pelicans lost to the Hawks in a tight one. Quinn was the leader on the floor and looked like he belonged. Frank was in street clothes for NO, presumably recovering from that surgery still?

Quinn has looked good so far and looks like a solid backup PG. Can someone remind of his contract situation? He looks like he should stick somewhere regardless, but can't remember if this year with NOP is guaranteed yet--IIRC it's not guaranteed at this point and he still has to get through training camp...

Cook is in the second year of a two-year deal from last April with the Pelicans. His salary for this year (~$1.3 million) is not guaranteed.

[awhom111]

The first game of the day had even more storylines than we thought with two Duke players. Ryan had 8 points in 13 minutes and helped the Hawks get the win 84-82. He only played that few minutes because by rule, he needed to clear waivers with the Rockets before he could join another team, which did not happen until halftime. Quinn's 25 points for the Pelicans came in 31 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/ATLNOP#/boxscore

Josh Jackson took advantage of being able to collect 7 fouls as the Suns lost to the Mavericks 88-77.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/PHXDAL#/boxscore

The Bucks beat the Nets 88-83 in a relatively uneventful game.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/MILBKN#/boxscore

Amile had 6 points in 10 minutes as the Timberwolves beat the Nuggets 90-71.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/MINDEN#/boxscore

The Clippers beat the Jazz 86-67 in a game with excessive Tarheels.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/UTALAC#/boxscore

Jayson had 11 points and 7 rebounds in 28 minutes in a 70-64 Celtics win over the Trailblazers. Semi had 9 points in 28 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/PORBOS#/boxscore

De'Aaron Fox had 7 fouls as the Kings lost to the Grizzlies 81-75.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/MEMSAC#/boxscore

It seems silly to schedule these teams again after they played in Utah, but the day ended with the 7 fouls Davis Bertans and the Spurs beating 8 foul Brandon Austin and the Sixers 101-95.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/PHISAS#/boxscore

Here is Monday's schedule (times EDT, NBATV games also on ESPN3):
Hawks (Ryan) vs Bulls, 4:00pm ESPNU
Heat vs Wizards, 4:30pm NBATV
Nets vs Pelicans (Quinn), 6:00pm ESPNU
Rockets (Matt) vs Suns, 6:30pm NBATV
Nuggets vs Rockets, 8:00pm ESPNU
Warriors vs Cavaliers, 8:30pm NBATV
Clippers vs Bucks, 10:00pm ESPN2
Lakers vs Kings, 10:30pm NBATV

[ChillinDuke]

The first game of the day had even more storylines than we thought with two Duke players. Ryan had 8 points in 13 minutes and helped the Hawks get the win 84-82. He only played that few minutes because by rule, he needed to clear waivers with the Rockets before he could join another team, which did not happen until halftime. Quinn's 25 points for the Pelicans came in 31 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170709/ATLNOP#/boxscore
<snip>


LOL at the bolded.

The quirks of the NBA rules during the offseason make situations like this amusing...

- Chillin

ETA: I love Quinn Cook. Just so that's clear.

[Channing]

a nice write-up partially focused on Quinn. It feels like a lot of the talk around QC this summer is similar to the type of talk we heard about Seth 2 summers ago. Hopefully it ends as well for QC as it did for Seth: https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2017/7/9/15945300/2017-summer-league-cheick-diallo-quinn-cook-new-orleans-pelicans-atlanta-hawks-jones-young

[SilkyJ]

Cook is in the second year of a two-year deal from last April with the Pelicans. His salary for this year (~$1.3 million) is not guaranteed.

Got it, that's what I thought. Is there a point at which his contract becomes guaranteed, like say if he makes it through training camp? Or can he always be cut at any time?

[awhom111]

Ryan actually got to be prepared from the start of the game and had 13 points and 6 rebounds in 18 minutes in a 75-55 Hawks win over the Bulls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/ATLCHI#/boxscore

The Heat beat the Wizards 91-87 as Daniel Ochefu decided to commit 9 fouls in the loss.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/MIAWAS#/boxscore

Quinn had 20 points in 28 minutes, but the Pelicans lost to the Nets 95-66.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/BKNNOP#/boxscore

Matt did not play as the Rockets beat the Suns 99-94. Chinanu Onuaku mixed 8 fouls in with his underhanded free throws in the win. The loss was marred by excessive fouling as Marquese Chriss and Dragan Bender had 8 apiece and Mike James had 7.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/HOUPHX#/boxscore

The Raptors beat the Nuggets 82-81 in a game devoid of fouling.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/DENTOR#/boxscore

The championship rematch is a popular game to schedule as the Cavaliers beat the Warriors 91-74.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/GSWCLE#/boxscore

The Clippers beat the Bucks 100-93, but Tim Kempton did get to leave knowing that he had reached the 7 foul mark.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/LACMIL#/boxscore

A game that ended up missing a bunch of big names went to the Lakers 95-92 over the Kings.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170710/LALSAC#/boxscore

Here is Tuesday's schedule (times EDT, NBATV games also on ESPN3):
Spurs vs Trailblazers, 4:00pm NBATV
Jazz vs Grizzlies, 4:30pm ESPNU
Bulls vs Wizards, 6:00pm NBATV
Sixers vs Celtics (Jayson), 6:30pm ESPN2
Heat vs Mavericks, 8:00pm NBATV
Warriors vs Timberwolves (Amile), 8:30pm ESPN2

[awhom111]

Got it, that's what I thought. Is there a point at which his contract becomes guaranteed, like say if he makes it through training camp? Or can he always be cut at any time?

Assuming Basketball Insiders has correct information, it is partially guaranteed. If he cut anytime between now and July 25th, he is only owed $25,000. That amount increases to $100,000 at that point. Once he makes the regular season roster, he would be paid normally and if he were to be cut between when he earned $100,000 and the date when all contracts guarantee in January, then they would owe him no further money.

[SilkyJ]

Assuming Basketball Insiders has correct information, it is partially guaranteed. If he cut anytime between now and July 25th, he is only owed $25,000. That amount increases to $100,000 at that point. Once he makes the regular season roster, he would be paid normally and if he were to be cut between when he earned $100,000 and the date when all contracts guarantee in January, then they would owe him no further money.

Didn't know all contracts became guaranteed for the remainder of the season in January. sporks!

[awhom111]

The last day before tournament play started with the Spurs beating the Trailblazers 99-85 with 7 fouls from Jeff Ledbetter.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170711/SASPOR#/boxscore

Eric Griffin had 8 fouls for the Jazz and Wade Baldwin had 8 fouls for the Grizzlies, who prevailed 84-81 in overtime.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170711/UTAMEM#/boxscore

The Bulls beat the Wizards 82-73 as neither team took advantage of the last day of extra fouls.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170711/CHIWAS#/boxscore

Jayson had 15 points and 6 rebounds in 33 minutes as the Celtics beat the Sixers 88-83. Semi had 8 points in 28 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170711/PHIBOS#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Heat 78-73 with nobody testing the foul limits.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170711/MIADAL#/boxscore

Amile grabbed 4 rebounds in 6 minutes as the last game went into sudden death overtime with the Timberwolves winning 78-76. Damian Jones picked up 7 fouls for the Warriors to be the last member of the club for the summer.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170711/GSWMIN#/boxscore

Here is Wednesday's schedule (times EDT, seedings in (), NBATV games also on ESPN3):
(24) Pelicans (Quinn) vs (9) Hawks (Ryan), 4:00pm NBATV
(23) Nuggets vs (10) Rockets (Matt), 4:30pm ESPNU
(21) Wizards vs (12) Heat, 6:00pm NBATV
(22) Warriors vs (11) Timberwolves (Amile), 6:30pm ESPN2
(20) Jazz vs (13) Suns, 8:00pm NBATV
(19) Kings vs (14) Bucks, 8:30pm ESPN2
(17) Bulls vs (16) Trailblazers, 10:00pm NBATV
(18) Sixers vs (15) Lakers, 10:30pm ESPN2

[rtnorthrup]

It's going to be interesting to see what the Celtics do with Ojeleye. He has looked pretty good during Summer League, but it's hard to see how he has much opportunity in Boston. They could keep him in the d-league this season and see how the roster shakes out next year or they could try to trade him for a future 2nd round pick. I think that there would be several teams interested in Ojeleye.

With Frank Jackson not playing this summer while he recovers from surgery, it seems almost certain that he will start the season in the d-league. The Pelicans actually love the d-league as both Cheick Diallo and Quinn Cook spent significant time down there. Diallo and Cook have looked really good in Summer League and both should see real minutes for the Pelicans this season.

[DukieInBrasil]

It's going to be interesting to see what the Celtics do with Ojeleye. He has looked pretty good during Summer League, but it's hard to see how he has much opportunity in Boston. They could keep him in the d-league this season and see how the roster shakes out next year or they could try to trade him for a future 2nd round pick. I think that there would be several teams interested in Ojeleye.

With Frank Jackson not playing this summer while he recovers from surgery, it seems almost certain that he will start the season in the d-league. The Pelicans actually love the d-league as both Cheick Diallo and Quinn Cook spent significant time down there. Diallo and Cook have looked really good in Summer League and both should see real minutes for the Pelicans this season.

Quinn's been a warrior to get to this point and have a legit career in the NBA. It's hard to get too excited about summer league results, but no denying Quinn put up good numbers. In one game though, i think the last one, NOLA got spanked, Quinn put up great numbers personally, but led everyone with a -28 +/- while the opposing PG had good numbers. It's not a good idea to read too much into one player's +/-, but that really jumped out at me, indicating either terrible defense by Quinn or terrible defense/chemistry by the Pelicans while Quinn was leading the squad.
Hopefully Frank's development this year takes place primarily in the D-league so that Quinn can solidify his grip on a long career in the NBA. It does seem to me that Frank and Quinn overlap a lot, although Quinn appears to fit more as a PG with shades of "lead guard" while Frank appears more "lead guard" with shades of PG. Frank's taller, stronger, jumpier and more athletic overall. Quinn is a better shooter, passer, experienced and crafty. One wants players with both qualities on their teams, but if NOLA sticks with Jrue Holliday, and Moore, there's not a lot of options for them to keep or play both Quinn and Frank.

[Furniture]

Quinn's been a warrior to get to this point and have a legit career in the NBA. It's hard to get too excited about summer league results, but no denying Quinn put up good numbers. In one game though, i think the last one, NOLA got spanked, Quinn put up great numbers personally, but led everyone with a -28 +/- while the opposing PG had good numbers. It's not a good idea to read too much into one player's +/-, but that really jumped out at me, indicating either terrible defense by Quinn or terrible defense/chemistry by the Pelicans while Quinn was leading the squad.
Hopefully Frank's development this year takes place primarily in the D-league so that Quinn can solidify his grip on a long career in the NBA. It does seem to me that Frank and Quinn overlap a lot, although Quinn appears to fit more as a PG with shades of "lead guard" while Frank appears more "lead guard" with shades of PG. Frank's taller, stronger, jumpier and more athletic overall. Quinn is a better shooter, passer, experienced and crafty. One wants players with both qualities on their teams, but if NOLA sticks with Jrue Holliday, and Moore, there's not a lot of options for them to keep or play both Quinn and Frank.
I am not an expert but I think that Frank is also a very good shooter. I would not put one above the other. Quinn is definitely craftier and a better point guard. Will frank every get tô Quinn's level being PG is the question.

[Furniture]

.@QCook323 (https://mobile.twitter.com/QCook323) posts 26 PTS, 5 REB & 7 AST to lead @PelicansNBA (https://mobile.twitter.com/PelicansNBA) past the Hawks, 105-95.

Interview post game.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBA/status/885271012580917250

[awhom111]

Quinn had 26 points and 7 assists in 31 minutes to win the rematch with Ryan 105-95. Ryan had 11 points in 28 minutes for the Hawks as the Pelicans try to continue the annual trend of the 24 seed.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/NOPATL#/boxscore

Matt did not play as the Rockets lost to the Nuggets 87-81.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/DENHOU#/boxscore

The Heat avoided the upset bug with a 89-88 win over the Wizards.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/WASMIA#/boxscore

Amile had 3 points in 12 minutes as the Timberwolves lost to the Warriors in the immediate rematch 77-69.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/GSWMIN#/boxscore

The Suns beat the Jazz 97-81.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/UTAPHX#/boxscore

The Kings were the last lower seed to win as they beat the Bucks 69-65.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/SACMIL#/boxscore

The Trailblazers beat the Bulls 88-77.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/CHIPOR#/boxscore

One former UCLA point guard led his team to victory and it was not Larry Drew II as the Lakers beat the Sixers 103-102.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170712/PHILAL#/boxscore

Here is Thursday's schedule (times EDT, seedings in (), NBATV games also on ESPN3):
(24) Pelicans (Quinn) vs (8) Spurs, 4:00pm NBATV
(23) Nuggets vs (7) Nets, 4:30pm ESPN2
(22) Warriors vs (6) Celtics (Jayson), 6:00pm NBATV
(12) Heat vs (5) Clippers, 6:30pm ESPN2
(13) Suns vs (4) Grizzlies, 8:00pm NBATV
(19) Kings vs (3) Mavericks, 8:30pm ESPN2
(16) Trailblazers vs (1) Raptors, 10:00pm NBATV
(15) Lakers vs (2) Cavaliers, 10:30pm ESPN2

[awhom111]

It's going to be interesting to see what the Celtics do with Ojeleye. He has looked pretty good during Summer League, but it's hard to see how he has much opportunity in Boston. They could keep him in the d-league this season and see how the roster shakes out next year or they could try to trade him for a future 2nd round pick. I think that there would be several teams interested in Ojeleye.

With Frank Jackson not playing this summer while he recovers from surgery, it seems almost certain that he will start the season in the d-league. The Pelicans actually love the d-league as both Cheick Diallo and Quinn Cook spent significant time down there. Diallo and Cook have looked really good in Summer League and both should see real minutes for the Pelicans this season.

The Celtic situation is interesting because of the amount of stash that they have from the 2016 draft. You would figure that they need to take care of a player like Abdel Nader since they asked him to play for only $25,000 last year in the D League when he would be worth a reasonable amount on the international market (being Egyptian would mean that he would count under different foreign players limits in some leagues). Semi is probably the priority among second round picks from this year, but it could be interesting if some of the players threaten to sign the minimum offer (1 year unguaranteed). Teams may use two way contracts to try to keep second round picks that they would previously try to stash happy because $275,000 is obviously a lot more than $25,000.

The Pelicans are actually an interesting G League case because the addition of teams to the league this year and the addition of two way contracts may reduce the number of teams willing to help them out by taking on a player like Frank. This is where having a good relationship with other front offices helps. Assuming Frank is healthy by training and that they do not bring in more guards (Reggie Jackson being a rumor), I would expect him to have some role to play to start the season. The G League actually starts far enough after the NBA season that they should have plenty of time to evaluate him. I do not see him as being as much of a project as Diallo was and they had a glut of bigs even if they were afflicted by the general Pelicans injury bug.

[subzero02]

Lonzo ball's game will quickly resonate louder than his dad's big mouth. He is so much fun to watch; definitely has showtime flare but his play is built upon a team first foundation. Casual fans are going to be drawn to him in droves... 36pts 11asts 8rebounds... I know it's just summer league but his style of play wold captivate anyone. I love how he consistently attacks the rim. This draft class appears to be extraordinarily talented... we will see how they develop in the long run.

[BD80]

Lonzo ball's game will quickly resonate louder than his dad's big mouth. ...

He'd have to be 1st team All-NBA.

[JNort]

Lonzo ball's game will quickly resonate louder than his dad's big mouth. He is so much fun to watch; definitely has showtime flare but his play is built upon a team first foundation. Casual fans are going to be drawn to him in droves... 36pts 11asts 8rebounds... I know it's just summer league but his style of play wold captivate anyone. I love how he consistently attacks the rim. This draft class appears to be extraordinarily talented... we will see how they develop in the long run.
Yeah I love his game and style but when he is doing good you gotta hear his dang dad. Ughh not sure it's worth it

[awhom111]

Quinn could not summon more magic late as the Pelicans lost to the Spurs 86-81. He finished with 16 points and 7 assists in 31 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/NOPSAS#/boxscore

The next Round of 16 game saw the Nets beat the Nuggets 85-74.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/DENBKN#/boxscore

Jayson is listed with an injury, but it's hard to tell if it's real or just part of a reason for the Celtics to sit a few big names as they beat the Warriors 93-69. Semi had 9 points and 9 rebounds in 17 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/GSWBOS#/boxscore

The Heat beat the Clippers 91-84 as I imagine it must have been pretty weird for AJ Hammons to switch teams during Summer League.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/MIALAC#/boxscore

The Grizzlies beat the Suns 102-98.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/PHXMEM#/boxscore

The Mavericks beat the Kings 83-76.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/SACDAL#/boxscore

The Trailblazers beat the Raptors 91-85.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/PORTOR#/boxscore

The Cavaliers were one of four undefeated teams to suffer their first loss, falling to the Lakers 94-83.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170713/LALCLE#/boxscore

Here is Consolation Friday's schedule (times EDT, seedings in (), NBATV games also on ESPN3):
(9) Hawks (Ryan) vs (10) Rockets (Matt), 4:00pm ESPNU
(11) Timberwolves (Amile) vs (21) Wizards, 4:30pm NBATV
(20) Jazz vs (14) Bucks, 6:00pm ESPNU
(22) Warriors vs (5) Clippers, 6:30pm NBATV
(24) Pelicans (Quinn) vs (23) Nuggets, 8:00pm ESPN3
(18) Sixers vs (17) Bulls, 8:30pm NBATV
(13) Suns vs (19) Kings, 10:00pm ESPN3
(2) Cavaliers vs (1) Raptors, 10:30pm NBATV

[SilkyJ]

Lonzo ball's game will quickly resonate louder than his dad's big mouth. He is so much fun to watch; definitely has showtime flare but his play is built upon a team first foundation. Casual fans are going to be drawn to him in droves... 36pts 11asts 8rebounds... I know it's just summer league but his style of play wold captivate anyone. I love how he consistently attacks the rim. This draft class appears to be extraordinarily talented... we will see how they develop in the long run.

He has a great size & quickness combination and should be a triple threat (pts, reb, ast) for a long time to come. The question is whether he'll be able to shoot when the real games come, especially given that quirky shot.

If he can't shoot that well his floor would look to be like a better version of Ricky Rubio, which isn't bad for a floor.

[Indoor66]

If he can't shoot that well his floor would look to be like a better version of Ricky Rubio, which isn't bad for a floor.

Especially if the Ceiling is the Roof. :confused::rolleyes::o:cool:

[devildeac]

Especially if the Ceiling is the Roof. ::rolleyes::o:cool:

Good golly, not again :rolleyes:.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Good golly, not again :rolleyes:.

I am just glad Ted Roof wasn't our ceiling.

[devildeac]

I am just glad Ted Roof wasn't our ceiling.

He was for a while. :(

[rocketeli]

He was for a while. :(

if I were Ted Roof I might be a bit peeved with that situation-after he left the new guy got the help and support he didn't-new facilities and lowered academic standards for football recruits, and the new actually didn't do much better for the first few years, until those changes had an impact.

[Acymetric]

if I were Ted Roof I might be a bit peeved with that situation-after he left the new guy got the help and support he didn't-new facilities and lowered academic standards for football recruits, and the new actually didn't do much better for the first few years, until those changes had an impact.

Well, I would consider 4-8, 5-7, and 3-9 "much" better than 0-12 or 1-11 given the circumstances at the time.

[kshepinthehouse]

He has a great size & quickness combination and should be a triple threat (pts, reb, ast) for a long time to come. The question is whether he'll be able to shoot when the real games come, especially given that quirky shot.

If he can't shoot that well his floor would look to be like a better version of Ricky Rubio, which isn't bad for a floor.

7-36 from 3 in the summer league. Yikes!

[LasVegas]

7-36 from 3 in the summer league. Yikes!

With all the talk about how his dad groomed him to be an NBA player, he probably screwed him by not fixing that form at a young age. Ugly.

[JNort]

He has a great size & quickness combination and should be a triple threat (pts, reb, ast) for a long time to come. The question is whether he'll be able to shoot when the real games come, especially given that quirky shot.

If he can't shoot that well his floor would look to be like a better version of Ricky Rubio, which isn't bad for a floor.

Idk... That "quickness" hasn't shown in the summer league so far. He struggles to get by people and that will just get tougher once he gets to playing the real NBA guys. His passing is other worldly though.

[awhom111]

Consolation Friday started with a battle of former Duke players. Ryan had 8 points in 19 minutes in a 92-86 Hawks win as the Rockets gave Matt some minutes and he had 3 points in 15 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/HOUATL#/boxscore

Amile had 3 rebounds in 7 minutes as the Timberwolves beat the Wizards 80-73.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/WASMIN#/boxscore

The Jazz beat the Bucks 97-76.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/UTAMIL#/boxscore

The Warriors beat the Clippers 109-100.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/GSWLAC#/boxscore

The Pelicans opted to rest Quinn and a bunch of other players to let the bench get some minutes as they lost to the Nuggets 96-91.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/NOPDEN#/boxscore

The Bulls beat the Sixers 99-82.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/PHICHI#/boxscore

The Kings beat the Suns 93-87.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/SACPHX#/boxscore

Nobody wanted the day to end as the Cavaliers needed overtime to beat the Raptors 78-75.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170714/CLETOR#/boxscore

Here is the Quarterfinals' schedule for Saturday (times EDT and seedings in ()):
(16) Trailblazers vs (8) Spurs, 4pm ESPN2
(12) Heat vs (4) Grizzlies, 6pm ESPN2
(6) Celtics (Jayson?) vs (3) Mavericks, 8pm ESPN2
(15) Lakers vs (7) Nets, 10pm ESPNU

[subzero02]

Idk... That "quickness" hasn't shown in the summer league so far. He struggles to get by people and that will just get tougher once he gets to playing the real NBA guys. His passing is other worldly though.

Because of his vision and ability to anticipate, he has quickness to spare in the open court. In the halfcourt, if he can shoot at a respectable rate( 12+ of 36 from deep as opposed to 7 of 36), defenders will have to play him more closely. This should make it somewhat easier for him to get around people. He also might be intentionally moving his feet more slowly in the halfcourt offense so we can all get a good look at his shoe choice for the night... once he settles on a brand, he'll kick it into a higher gear.

[awhom111]

The first quarterfinal saw the Trailblazers beat the Spurs 94-47.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170715/PORSAS#/boxscore

In the tournament, the second overtime is still a regular period and that was where the Grizzlies beat the Heat 98-95.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170715/MIAMEM#/boxscore

Jayson was held out again as the Celtics lost to the Mavericks 91-74. Semi had 6 points in 20 minutes.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170715/BOSDAL#/boxscore

Another day ended the same way as the Lakers beat the Nets 115-106.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170715/LALBKN#/boxscore

Here is the Semifinals' schedule for Sunday (times EDT and seedings in () with games on ESPN2):
(16) Trailblazers vs (4) Grizzlies, 6pm
(15) Lakers vs (3) Mavericks, 8pm

[yancem]

So did Giles not play in any of the summer leagues games? I went looking through most of the box scores and only saw dnp's. I hope he isn't hurt again.

[Furniture]

So did Giles not play in any of the summer leagues games? I went looking through most of the box scores and only saw dnp's. I hope he isn't hurt again.

See post #57.

Hes alright. The Kings are just taking it easy.

[Indoor66]

See post #57.

Hes alright. The Kings are just taking it easy.

That is, unfortunately, the story of his career. I hope it can change but I have my fears.

[subzero02]

That is, unfortunately, the story of his career. I hope it can change but I have my fears.

Harry has already signed with the Kings. He probably has approximately $4 million guaranteed over the first 2 years with a team option of $6.6 million over the final 2 years. I am guessing that at some point over the Kings' next 164 regular season games, they are going to have Giles go full throttle.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/06/projected-rookie-contracts-for-2017-first-round-picks.html

[awhom111]

The first semifinal went to the Trailblazers 87-82 over the Grizzlies.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170716/PORMEM#/boxscore

There will be no undefeated teams as the Lakers beat the Mavericks 108-98.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170716/LALDAL#/boxscore

The final will be on ESPN at 10pm ET on Monday.

[awhom111]

Kyle Kuzma would like a re-vote of the MVP award as the Lakers beat the Blazers 110-98 to win the tournament.
http://www.nba.com/games/20170717/PORLAL#/boxscore

It will be interesting to see where some of the guys not under contract end up after this summer league. Presumably Amile and Matt have received some feedback on whether teams have any training camp/G League interest. Unfortunately, neither got a lot of time on the court to showcase themselves to international scouts, but their reputations and college footage should help them in that regard. Marshall also has some decisions to make, although I think he might be content with starting in the G League this season and also figuring out where the Army fits in with basketball. Interestingly, there are cases of people serving in the Army in Germany and simultaneously playing in the local league there.