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Troublemaker
05-01-2017, 08:52 PM
Jordan Goldwire‏ @j_gold11 (https://twitter.com/j_gold11) 13m13 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/j_gold11/status/859205503058145281)
Excited to announce that I will still be a Devil! #BlueDevil (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlueDevil?src=hash)

Adam Rowe‏ @AdamRoweTDD (https://twitter.com/AdamRoweTDD) 13m13 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/AdamRoweTDD/status/859205842758971393)
#Duke (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Duke?src=hash) lands 2017 PG Jordan Goldwire after quick recruitment and official visit.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-yC02HWAAEwNu6.jpg

Troublemaker
05-01-2017, 08:56 PM
Jordan Goldwire‏ @j_gold11 (https://twitter.com/j_gold11) 13m13 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/j_gold11/status/859205503058145281)
Excited to announce that I will still be a Devil! #BlueDevil (https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlueDevil?src=hash)


Regarding his tweet, his high school team was also the Blue Devils.

Hoping we'll have two more "Welcome to Duke,..." threads this week.

BigZ
05-01-2017, 08:57 PM
Like his name

richardjackson199
05-01-2017, 09:01 PM
Is this the shortest Duke recruitment ever? Jim, Oly, and several other knowledgeable Duke historians will no doubt know. But this one seemed pretty fast. I just heard about his recruitment today and he already committed.

If you'd told me yesterday that today a point guard would commit to Duke, I would not have been surprised. But this is not what I would have expected.

Welcome to Duke Jordan!

chrishoke
05-01-2017, 09:02 PM
Congrats young man, and welcome.

scottdude8
05-01-2017, 09:13 PM
Regarding his tweet, his high school team was also the Blue Devils.

Hoping we'll have two more "Welcome to Duke,..." threads this week.

So I'm guessing (hoping) we shouldn't read too much into this with regards to Duval, right? I'm assuming based on his profile that this guy is (hopefully) more of a four year guy so he wouldn't be a conflict for Duval, but considering how out of right field this seems to have come I'm totally confused about everything at the moment lol.

CameronBornAndBred
05-01-2017, 09:22 PM
Like his name
Like his long term commitment.

jimsumner
05-01-2017, 09:23 PM
Andre Buckner is the only analog I can think of for quickness. Even Antonio Vrankovic took longer.

OldPhiKap
05-01-2017, 09:26 PM
Welcome!!

Troublemaker
05-01-2017, 09:33 PM
I know that he is rated higher than Andre Buckner, who was going to Tennessee as a walk-on. He got a Duke offer when Will Avery unexpectedly turned pro. K wanted another point guard to give coming freshman Jason Williams somebody else to practice against. Buckner did his job well and earned a national title ring in 2001.

Oly, thought of your post when I read this article (https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/mar/15/rebels-looking-forward-with-recruitment-of-point-g/).

Relevant excerpt:

Goldwire also draws praise for his work on the defensive end. As a senior, McMillan assigned him to check the opponents’ best perimeter scorer, and Goldwire shined in Norcross’ man-to-man defensive system. In a December game against IMG Academy (Bradenton, Fla.) at the City of Palms Classic, Goldwire matched up against superstar guard Trevon Duval, the No. 3 player in the Class of 2017, and held Duval to nine points on 4-of-14 shooting.

Kedsy
05-01-2017, 09:39 PM
Oly, thought of your post when I read this article (https://lasvegassun.com/news/2017/mar/15/rebels-looking-forward-with-recruitment-of-point-g/).

Relevant excerpt:

Goldwire also draws praise for his work on the defensive end. As a senior, McMillan assigned him to check the opponents’ best perimeter scorer, and Goldwire shined in Norcross’ man-to-man defensive system. In a December game against IMG Academy (Bradenton, Fla.) at the City of Palms Classic, Goldwire matched up against superstar guard Trevon Duval, the No. 3 player in the Class of 2017, and held Duval to nine points on 4-of-14 shooting.

Maybe that's what he is - a practice body to guard Duval. Hopefully.

Troublemaker
05-01-2017, 09:40 PM
Is this the shortest Duke recruitment ever? Jim, Oly, and several other knowledgeable Duke historians will no doubt know. But this one seemed pretty fast. I just heard about his recruitment today and he already committed.

If I were in Goldwire's position, I would've committed today, too! What an upgrade in scholarship offer.


So I'm guessing (hoping) we shouldn't read too much into this with regards to Duval, right? I'm assuming based on his profile that this guy is (hopefully) more of a four year guy so he wouldn't be a conflict for Duval, but considering how out of right field this seems to have come I'm totally confused about everything at the moment lol.

From what I can tell, he's about a notch above Andre Buckner. This is a 4-year practice player and MAYBE rotation player as an upperclassmen if things fall right. If we miss out on Duval or Frank, the replacement we go after would be a higher caliber of player.

Newton_14
05-01-2017, 09:41 PM
Like his long term commitment.

As do I Chris. Welcome to Duke Jordan!

I love 4 year players and we need several more of them to be honest. I would expect this is a kid who will be patient and not run for the hills after one or two years seeking greener pastures if he has cracked the rotation yet.

I also think this has nothing at all to do with Duval or Jackson. This is more for 2019-2020 and beyond...

UrinalCake
05-01-2017, 10:00 PM
Regarding his tweet, his high school team was also the Blue Devils.

I just noticed that, and it looks like they stole our logo. At first I thought I was watching a photoshop of him with our logo pasted on, but this is actually him in his high school uniform:

7386

CameronBornAndBred
05-01-2017, 10:17 PM
I just noticed that, and it looks like they stole our logo. At first I thought I was watching a photoshop of him with our logo pasted on, but this is actually him in his high school uniform:

http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7386&stc=1
Lot$ of $chool$ do that. (They look better with our$.)

P$...notice the prominent $wi$he$?

Olympic Fan
05-01-2017, 10:41 PM
(1) Quickest commitment/shortest recruitment that I can remember. No recruiting guru even linked Goldwire and Duke before today. Totally out of the blue. Has Coach K and/or his staff been monitoring Goldwire secretly? Who knows, but they could have seen him last summer while scouting O'Connell (who played on the same EBYL team). If there was a long-term contact there, nobody -- and I mean nobody -- even hinted at it before today.

(2) I think he's higher rated that Andre Buckner. But I do think he arrives as a practice player ... hopefully he can develop into a rotation player at some point in his career, especially if the comments about his defense are valid.

(3) I can't see that this has any impact on Duval's decision whatsoever ... Duval is not going to worry about losing any minutes at Duke next season due to Goldwire.

Goldwire is the ninth player signed for next year (Allen, Vrankovic, Bolden, DeLaurier, White, Carter, Trent, O'Connell and Goldwire)

There's still room to add Frank Jackson, if he returns, plus Duval and Knox. Heck, even if Bamba wants to come, there will be a scholarship for him.

The quick recruitment of Goldwire COULD mean that the Duke coaches think either Jackson or Duval will not be there next year, but I think that's a stretch ... he would be a useful practice player either way.

westwall
05-01-2017, 11:29 PM
So I'm guessing (hoping) we shouldn't read too much into this with regards to Duval, right? I'm assuming based on his profile that this guy is (hopefully) more of a four year guy so he wouldn't be a conflict for Duval, but considering how out of right field this seems to have come I'm totally confused about everything at the moment lol.


Not to worry. Duke will have a starting point guard.

BD80
05-01-2017, 11:31 PM
I could see him in in late game situations - for ball-handling and free throw shooting if we're up and the opposing team is in trap/foul mode, or for pressure defense and to foul if we are behind.

This is the kind of guy I enjoy rooting for

Welcome Jordan!

scottdude8
05-01-2017, 11:33 PM
After digesting this news, I've come to the following conclusion: Goldwire will be Duke's version of Spike Albrecht at U of M. The similarities are uncanny in terms of how the recruitments came out of nowhere, possibly driven by uncertainty in the PG position (Michigan got Spike as insurance in case Trey Burke went pro after his freshman year), as well as the player profiles.

If Goodwire becomes Spike I'll be ecstatic. Fingers crossed.

Son of Jarhead
05-01-2017, 11:40 PM
Seems he had offers from Eastern Kentucky, Coastal Carolina, Hofstra, Townson, & UNLV, and it was looking like he'd be an EKU Colonel until K called.

I like the idea of having several "program" guys, players who will be there for 4 years, and who will be able to learn and pass on the culture to younger players. Plus, this kid sounds like he relishes defense. That is always a good thing.

Dukehky
05-01-2017, 11:44 PM
So I'm guessing (hoping) we shouldn't read too much into this with regards to Duval, right? I'm assuming based on his profile that this guy is (hopefully) more of a four year guy so he wouldn't be a conflict for Duval, but considering how out of right field this seems to have come I'm totally confused about everything at the moment lol.

He is a replacement for Pags. He's a practice player. I don't think there is anything to worry about with Duval. Frank... maybe, but even then, this recruitment is not indicative of what is on the horizon for Frank with Duke. He's a semi-athletic guard who can help with practice and maybe get some spot minutes.

lotusland
05-02-2017, 07:30 AM
Welcome Jordan! Great move to add a 4-year guy for practice, roster stability and cohesion. It will be helpful to have a PG around who knows the system to help the 5* guys assimilate. This seems like a good answer to the OAD and transfer dilemma. I would love to see Jordan work his way into the rotation as a glue guy by his junior ir senior year.

OldPhiKap
05-02-2017, 07:36 AM
Always spots for a defensive-minded pg who can distribute the ball.

And we all know, K likes to play guys who can defend.

BD80
05-02-2017, 08:09 AM
Always spots for a defensive-minded pg who can distribute the ball.

And we all know, K likes to play guys who can defend.

Perhaps an occasional start for a few minutes to send a message to a putative starter about the importance of effort on the defensive end (in games and practice)?

Spanarkel
05-02-2017, 08:10 AM
Welcome to Duke, Jordan! Since '77-'78(Jim Suddath, a 3 point specialist before the 3 point line), there have only been a few other Georgians to suit up for Duke: William Avery(Augusta native, played at Oak Hill), Mark Causey from Gainesville(on the team in '02), and the great Patrick Davidson from Grady High School in ATL. Now we have 3 in this year's class alone, hopefully showing that Georgia is now "more than a football state." The old joke was that "there were only two sports in Georgia, football and spring football."

CDu
05-02-2017, 08:26 AM
Welcome to Duke, Jordan! Since '77-'78(Jim Suddath, a 3 point specialist before the 3 point line), there have only been a few other Georgians to suit up for Duke: William Avery(Augusta native, played at Oak Hill), Mark Causey from Gainesville(on the team in '02), and the great Patrick Davidson from Grady High School in ATL. Now we have 3 in this year's class alone, hopefully showing that Georgia is now "more than a football state." The old joke was that "there were only two sports in Georgia, football and spring football."

Patrick Davidson was from Arkansas and finished his prep career at Blair Academy (NJ). Not an ATL product. Patrick Johnson was the Grady High grad.

Spanarkel
05-02-2017, 08:32 AM
Patrick Davidson was from Arkansas and finished his prep career at Blair Academy (NJ). Not an ATL product. Patrick Johnson was the Grady High grad.

Thanks for the correction!

jv001
05-02-2017, 08:43 AM
Always spots for a defensive-minded pg who can distribute the ball.

And we all know, K likes to play guys who can defend.

Maybe by his junior year, a Tyler Thornton : a team player, a PG that plays good defense, plays hard on every possession and Coach K will love him= minutes. GoDuke!

brevity
05-02-2017, 08:48 AM
I just noticed that, and it looks like they stole our logo. At first I thought I was watching a photoshop of him with our logo pasted on, but this is actually him in his high school uniform:

7386

I have mixed feelings about seeing a Blue Devil logo on a Jordan wearing #23. Fortunately, the Duke coaching staff has to assign him a different number.

I trust Coach K, the best-ever ACC coach. He found a way to keep Jordan Davidson under 20 points per game.

OldPhiKap
05-02-2017, 08:54 AM
Perhaps an occasional start for a few minutes to send a message to a putative starter about the importance of effort on the defensive end (in games and practice)?


Maybe by his junior year, a Tyler Thornton : a team player, a PG that plays good defense, plays hard on every possession and Coach K will love him= minutes. GoDuke!

Both of these.

Even a few minutes rest to a starter, or playing in spots when there is foul trouble, is helpful. TT and Matt are two examples that come to mind of defense-first players that developed into significant minutes. Tommy Amaker and Billy King also come to mind, although perhaps those were different days.

Time was, on-point defense was the key to our M2M defense. If the other side cannot initiate the offense, you're always in good position. Harass the point, overplay the passing lane to the outlets, and next thing you know you're getting a lay-up on the other end of the floor.

I miss that, frankly.

CrazyNotCrazie
05-02-2017, 09:04 AM
Welcome Jordan. By showing a little patience and taking a risk, I think things worked out very well for him. I hate to compare a Duke guy to a Tar Heel, but perhaps Stillman White is a good example (minus the Mormon mission). he was recruited as a role player and ended up playing a key role for them in 2012 (pre-Mission) when Kendall Marshall was injured.

hudlow
05-02-2017, 09:14 AM
Thanks for coming to Duke, Jordan!
Whatever role you play, it will be for one of the greatest programs of all time.
The opportunities you will have at Duke - on and off the court - are unlimited.
You made a wise choice and we'll be behind you all the way.
GO DUKE!

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
05-02-2017, 09:21 AM
Thanks for coming to Duke, Jordan!
Whatever role you play, it will be for one of the greatest programs of all time.
The opportunities you will have at Duke - on and off the court - are unlimited.
You made a wise choice and we'll be behind you all the way.
GO DUKE!

##THREADJACK## I see your signature regarding sporks for mowing... I just got a new mower and I roll it out every chance I get. Not sure if I'm down for transporting across state lines, but... ##END THREADJACK##

Welcome to Duke! Sounds like a great opportunity for a confident young man. Excited to see you in Duke blue.

FadedTackyShirt
05-02-2017, 09:50 AM
Welcome to Duke, Jordan! Since '77-'78(Jim Suddath, a 3 point specialist before the 3 point line), there have only been a few other Georgians to suit up for Duke: William Avery(Augusta native, played at Oak Hill), Mark Causey from Gainesville(on the team in '02)...

Welcome, Jordan! Best of luck at Duke.

Couldn't remember Causey's name, but immediately thought of him when Goldwire surfaced yesterday.

Causey's an orthodontist now. What were the circumstances surrounding his recruitment and his brief stay at Duke?

jv001
05-02-2017, 09:58 AM
Both of these.

Even a few minutes rest to a starter, or playing in spots when there is foul trouble, is helpful. TT and Matt are two examples that come to mind of defense-first players that developed into significant minutes. Tommy Amaker and Billy King also come to mind, although perhaps those were different days.

Time was, on-point defense was the key to our M2M defense. If the other side cannot initiate the offense, you're always in good position. Harass the point, overplay the passing lane to the outlets, and next thing you know you're getting a lay-up on the other end of the floor.

I miss that, frankly.

I'm thinking of our man Billy "Sky" King playing maybe the best on the ball defense of any former Dukie. Thinking about that kind of defense get's me excited. GoDuke!

dukejim1
05-02-2017, 10:05 AM
I'm thinking of our man Billy "Sky" King playing maybe the best on the ball defense of any former Dukie. Thinking about that kind of defense get's me excited. GoDuke!

"The next Kyrie" - Norman Peale

Spanarkel
05-02-2017, 11:02 AM
Welcome, Jordan! Best of luck at Duke.

Couldn't remember Causey's name, but immediately thought of him when Goldwire surfaced yesterday.

Causey's an orthodontist now. What were the circumstances surrounding his recruitment and his brief stay at Duke?

This is the best I could find on Mark. I had forgotten that his brother Matt was a contributor for GaTech in '07-'08. All three of the Causey boys were ballers, and all 3 transferred(one played at TCU and Harvard, and one at Georgetown/North GA College(now Univ. of N. Georgia)/GaTech.

www.forsythnews.com/archives/30587/

hudlow
05-02-2017, 11:18 AM
##THREADJACK## I see your signature regarding sporks for mowing... I just got a new mower and I roll it out every chance I get. Not sure if I'm down for transporting across state lines, but... ##END THREADJACK##



Let me spread a few sporks first and I'll let you know.

I'm just across the mountain.

:)

wsb3
05-02-2017, 11:24 AM
This is the best I could find on Mark. I had forgotten that his brother Matt was a contributor for GaTech in '07-'08. All three of the Causey boys were ballers, and all 3 transferred(one played at TCU and Harvard, and one at Georgetown/North GA College(now Univ. of N. Georgia)/GaTech.

www.forsythnews.com/archives/30587/

Good article. Thanks for sharing.

jv001
05-02-2017, 01:07 PM
Let me spread a few sporks first and I'll let you know.

I'm just across the mountain.:)

Would that be Mountain City, TN? Great golf course there now called Red Tail Mountain. It used to be called Roane Valley. GoDuke!

Rich
05-02-2017, 01:24 PM
Time was, on-point defense was the key to our M2M defense. If the other side cannot initiate the offense, you're always in good position. Harass the point, overplay the passing lane to the outlets, and next thing you know you're getting a lay-up on the other end of the floor.

I miss that, frankly.

Well, if it makes you feel better, Chris Webber thinks we still play that way, or at least he did in his setup for the South Carolina game.

Doria
05-02-2017, 01:44 PM
Think this is a great pick-up for us. It's great getting the top recruits, but there is still room on our team for a guy like this! If he's solid in m2m, maybe he can help his teammates in practice, too... We can almost always count on having a top offense, but our defense can sometimes use a little love, as well.

I'm excited about him, even if he'll just be a (mainly) practice player. Welcome to Duke!

hudlow
05-02-2017, 01:59 PM
Would that be Mountain City, TN? Great golf course there now called Red Tail Mountain. It used to be called Roane Valley. GoDuke!

Nope, I'm Southeast.

wavedukefan70s
05-02-2017, 02:27 PM
Is this a sign that jackson is gone?

CDu
05-02-2017, 02:31 PM
Is this a sign that jackson is gone?

I highly doubt the two are related. Goldwire isn't likely to be in the rotation next year. Certainly not as a starter like Jackson. He seems more like a "continuity" guy to have over the next few years after the mass exodus this year and likely next year.

westwall
05-02-2017, 02:52 PM
Scout has a piece on Jordan dated September 2015. Haven't seen it elsewhere on DBR, so here are a few highlights:

"Class of 2017 basketball prospect Jordan Goldwire is an athletic point guard for Norcross High.

Norcross, Ga.--A young point guard with outstanding quickness, Jordan Goldwire was one of the more impressive performers at Bruce Pearl’s elite basketball camp on the Auburn campus.
“I talked to a couple of the Auburn coaches and they said they like the way I play and stuff like that,” said Goldwire, a 16-year-old who is in the 2017 recruiting class.
“I think I played pretty well at the camp,” he said. “I got my teammates involved for open shots. I tried to get in the lane and play good defense.”
A starter on a Norcross High School team that posted a 27-4 record last season, Goldwire said that he has high expectations for the upcoming season. “We actually played in the Elite Eight and lost to the team that won it,” he said of last season’s state championship playoffs."

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
05-02-2017, 03:05 PM
Well, if it makes you feel better, Chris Webber thinks we still play that way, or at least he did in his setup for the South Carolina game.

THANK YOU - that was infuriating. As though Webber's pregame prep consisted of his bad memories from the early 90's

kAzE
05-02-2017, 03:33 PM
It's always great to load up DBR and see a new thread welcoming a new member to the Duke Basketball family.

Of course, I took to YouTube to check out the goods. Here are couple of tapes that I watched:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy0fhPWS2yg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV3oz65Tb_o

And here's my scouting report (based on incredibly limited information), take it as you will.

The pros:

- Good feel for the game. At least from his highlight tapes, he seemed to make good decisions based on what the defense gave him. He attacked openings from the correct angles, changed speeds/directions, and switched up his dribble pretty well based on what he saw from the defense. It obviously remains to be seen what he is able to do against quicker, longer, and more athletic defenders, but at the high school level, he looks like a solid floor general.

- He's a true point guard. In the tapes that I watched, Jordan always looked to set up his teammates first. He took opportunities to score when they were presented, but he is a pass-first guard, constantly aware of where his teammates are. This is a big plus. If he can handle the ball and distribute at a high level while defending his position at some point during his Duke career, he will fit in very well and likely get some rotation minutes.

- He has a mid range game. That floater looks nice. It's almost a mandatory shot for someone of his size to master, and it shows that he practices it. As a short guy who plays basketball regularly (I'm 5'10"), I cannot emphasize enough how important that shot is.

Cons:

- Lack of size. Unfortunately, he's 6'0". Hopefully, he's still growing, but if he stays 6 feet tall, it's a disadvantage. There's not much else he can do about it.

- Not extremely athletic. I've seen reports that he's pretty athletic, but I'm not really seeing it. At least not in relation to high major D-1 athletes. At 6'0", I would expect an athletic D-1 player to have a dunk or 2 in their highlight tapes. Going by what I've seen, Jordan is a good athlete, but not a great one.

Still not sure:

- Can he really defend at this level? This will be his best path to playing time at Duke. Can he defend ACC point guards? Strength and conditioning will play a major role, as will hustle and effort. I'm seeing a few posters here giving him props for his defensive chops, but I'm going to reserve judgment until I see it on the court in a D-1 game.

- Is he a good shooter or just an average one? This will probably factor into his ability to get on the court almost as much as his defense. His shot mechanics look a little unorthodox, as he has a bit of a late release, where almost he shoots it as he's on his way back down. I would need to see his stats for this one.

Overall:

I think this is very nice pick up for us. Over the last 2 years, since Quinn Cook graduated, we basically have not had an upperclassman point guard on the roster. Jordan could potentially be the first recruited senior point guard we will have had since Quinn, which is why I see this as an investment for the long term. While I would be ecstatic if Jordan played his way into the rotation as a freshman, he seems to be someone the coaching staff looks to keep around for 4 years. A guy who can contribute as a steady veteran ball handler on the roster in 2 or 3 years.

For the record, I don't see him as just a "practice player." I think he absolutely could be a contributor later on down the road, perhaps not as a starter, but someone who can come off the bench and manage the game effectively. He's not the flashiest recruit, but he could pay off down the road if he develops and matures the right way. The key will be his defense.

moonpie23
05-02-2017, 03:34 PM
welcome to the fracas, young man......BRING IT!!!!!

English
05-02-2017, 03:34 PM
For the historians on the board, who was the last 3-star recruit we offered? I imagine Justin Robinson was a 3-star, but he's a preferred walk-on. Was is Dre Buckner?

Welcome to the program, Jordan!

I can't wait until next offseason when folks will be predicting rotation minutes for Jordan, and clamoring for the coaching staff to stop recruiting the likely OAD PGs so Jordan can get more burn and develop as a 4-year guy...ya know, because the 80s and 90s and the good old days.
/end snark

Rich
05-02-2017, 03:36 PM
THANK YOU - that was infuriating. As though Webber's pregame prep consisted of his bad memories from the early 90's

Some consolation - his bad memories are our goods ones.

Along with OPK I miss the days of that sort of ball hawk, overplay the passing lane defense. For a long time it was our hallmark, but seems to have been lost recently. I would attribute it to the coming of the one-and-done age, but I know some smart DBR poster will refute it with a bunch of annoying facts! Probably also has to do with the hand check and freedom of movement rules (which seemed to have been put on hold for the South Carolina game) as well. People forget how physical our defense was.

CDu
05-02-2017, 03:46 PM
For the historians on the board, who was the last 3-star recruit we offered? I imagine Justin Robinson was a 3-star, but he's a preferred walk-on. Was is Dre Buckner?

Welcome to the program, Jordan!

I can't wait until next offseason when folks will be predicting rotation minutes for Jordan, and clamoring for the coaching staff to stop recruiting the likely OAD PGs so Jordan can get more burn and develop as a 4-year guy...ya know, because the 80s and 90s and the good old days.
/end snark

Robinson was a 2-star or lower (unrated in many sites). Jack White and Antonio Vrankovic were 3-star guys. So was Tyler Thornton. Of course, so was Makai Mason. The range of guys at the 3-star level is quite wide.

golfinesquire
05-02-2017, 03:46 PM
For the historians on the board, who was the last 3-star recruit we offered? I imagine Justin Robinson was a 3-star, but he's a preferred walk-on. Was is Dre Buckner?

Welcome to the program, Jordan!

I can't wait until next offseason when folks will be predicting rotation minutes for Jordan, and clamoring for the coaching staff to stop recruiting the likely OAD PGs so Jordan can get more burn and develop as a 4-year guy...ya know, because the 80s and 90s and the good old days.
/end snark

Tyler Thornton.

OldPhiKap
05-02-2017, 03:52 PM
Some consolation - his bad memories are our goods ones.

Along with OPK I miss the days of that sort of ball hawk, overplay the passing lane defense. For a long time it was our hallmark, but seems to have been lost recently. I would attribute it to the coming of the one-and-done age, but I know some smart DBR poster will refute it with a bunch of annoying facts! Probably also has to do with the hand check and freedom of movement rules (which seemed to have been put on hold for the South Carolina game) as well. People forget how physical our defense was.

it's almost as if we watched games in the same years!

FWIW, K has said that man to man is harder to teach because of the one and done's. At least, he's had to simplify it. But I also think it has something to do with the shift in the late-90's to "the best defense is a good offense" mentality and playing to the strength of who was coming.

K often referred to the fact that Matt Jones had a HS coach who really emphasized sound defense. I wonder if that's becoming a lost art in the era of Hoops Summits and highlight reels. Like you, I'm sure someone will provide a statistical refutation but that's what the eye test sure seems like to me.

And those damn kids on my lawn better turn that crap off. It ain't music.

Saratoga2
05-02-2017, 03:54 PM
Is this a sign that jackson is gone?

Clearly this signing engenders that thought. Lets take it at face value and accept it as a backup plan and for a player to develop over his time at Duke.

Kedsy
05-02-2017, 04:14 PM
Clearly this signing engenders that thought. Lets take it at face value and accept it as a backup plan and for a player to develop over his time at Duke.

Backup plan to what?

English
05-02-2017, 04:35 PM
Backup plan to what?

Obviously a backup for potentially missing on the OAD PGs in the classes of 2019 & 2020 when Jordan would potentially be competing for rotation minutes as an upperclassman, no?

cato
05-02-2017, 07:29 PM
Clearly this signing engenders that thought. Lets take it at face value and accept it as a backup plan and for a player to develop over his time at Duke.

Taking things at face value, the strongest indication that Frank Jackson is gone is the fact that he put his name into the NBA draft.

I very much hope that Frank comes back. I really enjoyed his freshman year, and he seems like a wonderful kid. But if he didn't have one foot out the door, he would not have declared.

English
05-02-2017, 07:50 PM
Taking things at face value, the strongest indication that Frank Jackson is gone is the fact that he put his name into the NBA draft.

I very much hope that Frank comes back. I really enjoyed his freshman year, and he seems like a wonderful kid. But if he didn't have one foot out the door, he would not have declared.

Apologies for the brief threadjack, but I suppose you never went to a job fair while you were in college? Never sought career advice, or weighed your career options? Perhaps a false equivalence, but I think it's unfair to Frank to presume that he's checked out when it's completely plausible that he's simply doing his due diligence to survey his post-Duke NBA value and hear directly from the decision-makers what he needs to improve upon to increase that value.

Again, welcome Jordan!

Son of Jarhead
05-02-2017, 08:36 PM
It's always great to load up DBR and see a new thread welcoming a new member to the Duke Basketball family.

Of course, I took to YouTube to check out the goods. Here are couple of tapes that I watched:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy0fhPWS2yg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV3oz65Tb_o

Thanks for the scouting report!

Here is another highlight reel, this one of his Junior year of HS: https://youtu.be/88GA2w4qRvw

My favorite highlight is the very last, at around the 4:30 mark... a sweet fake behind-the-back pass for an easy layup.:cool:

Rich
05-04-2017, 08:22 PM
From Kentucky.com -- http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article148700539.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter?src=rss

McHale’s coaching buddies have had some fun with the EKU head man this week.

Georgia Tech Coach Josh Pastner sent a tongue-in-cheek text telling McHale he had lost respect for the Eastern coach as a recruiter — since McHale and EKU couldn’t beat out Coach K and Duke head-to-head.

“We recruited (Goldwire) hard for months. Duke recruited him for days, hours,” McHale said. “But it was Duke. What are you going to do?”

CharlestonDave
05-05-2017, 03:04 AM
Think this is a great pick-up for us. It's great getting the top recruits, but there is still room on our team for a guy like this! If he's solid in m2m, maybe he can help his teammates in practice, too... We can almost always count on having a top offense, but our defense can sometimes use a little love, as well.

I'm excited about him, even if he'll just be a (mainly) practice player. Welcome to Duke!

I like the fact that we recruited a guy who will stay for 4 years, and agree with you that there is always room for someone like him. . I know nothing about him so I cannot comment about his ability ; I will leave that to others more knowledgable than I am .

I am not quite sure though why you would be," excited ", about a recruit that might just be a practice player?

Indoor66
05-05-2017, 07:55 AM
I am not quite sure though why you would be," excited ", about a recruit that might just be a practice player?

Because we are adults who eagerly and proudly support ALL Duke athletes, whether they are All Americans or not!

duketaylor
05-05-2017, 08:16 AM
Because we are adults who eagerly and proudly support ALL Duke athletes, whether they are All Americans or not!

I'm excited for him because he has the opportunity to get a Duke education and hopefully win a ring or three. While he might not be a starter as a frosh, I'm certainly not gonna label him in another way as some have here, kinda demeaning to the kid, IMO.

jv001
05-05-2017, 08:26 AM
I'm excited for him because he has the opportunity to get a Duke education and hopefully win a ring or three. While he might not be a starter as a frosh, I'm certainly not gonna label him in another way as some have here, kinda demeaning to the kid, IMO.

Good post. One thing that I've learned from being on DBR over the years do not demean one of our own. It's not fair to the kid, his parents and our coaching staff. Most of the time it's not what you say, but how you say it. My rule is, what if the kid, parents or Coach K read what I posted about one of our players. Would I want to hit the "do over button"? GoDuke!

chriso
05-05-2017, 10:08 AM
Good post. One thing that I've learned from being on DBR over the years do not demean one of our own. It's not fair to the kid, his parents and our coaching staff. Most of the time it's not what you say, but how you say it. My rule is, what if the kid, parents or Coach K read what I posted about one of our players. Would I want to hit the "do over button"? GoDuke!

Agreed. I'm trying not to read too much into the mix tape but so far I really like what I see. He appears to have a great feel for the game. :cool:

CharlestonDave
05-05-2017, 05:27 PM
Because we are adults who eagerly and proudly support ALL Duke athletes, whether they are All Americans or not!

This had nothing to do with supporting Duke Athletes. Of course we all do and I even pointed out that I was really happy that we recruited someone who will be here for 4 years ,( hopefully he doesn't transfer because of a lack of playing time ) .I love 4 year players no matter who they are and hold them in high esteem even more so than the OADs. I have been following basketball when you had to play on the freshman team first no matter how good you were and everyone stayed for 4 years .

I was at a summer camp with Artie Heyman and Jeff Mullins and my good friend at college was best friends with Heyman when they both were students at Oceanside High School.

It was probably a semantic reaction on my part to the word ," excited " , nothing more .

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
05-06-2017, 08:53 AM
This had nothing to do with supporting Duke Athletes. Of course we all do and I even pointed out that I was really happy that we recruited someone who will be here for 4 years ,( hopefully he doesn't transfer because of a lack of playing time ) .I love 4 year players no matter who they are and hold them in high esteem even more so than the OADs. I have been following basketball when you had to play on the freshman team first no matter how good you were and everyone stayed for 4 years .

I was at a summer camp with Artie Heyman and Jeff Mullins and my good friend at college was best friends with Heyman when they both were students at Oceanside High School.

It was probably a semantic reaction on my part to the word ," excited " , nothing more .

Personally, after this year's carnage, I have stopped trying to guess who will wear a Duke uniform for 4 years. Seems like an exercise in frustration. Therefore, "likelihood to be at Duke for four years" won't play into my personal support of any particular player. Similarly, I don't intend to write off any players predicted to be gone after one season.

Seriously, this season and off-season has made me re-examine how I set personal expectations for our team and players. I am arriving at a much more Zen-like space of "let's enjoy the journey" in my perspective. Expectations leads to attachment and disappointment. Read your eastern texts.

(Partly joking, but not completely)

mattman91
07-02-2017, 01:45 PM
An interview with Jordan Goldwire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTcmcsE_ieE) for anyone interested.

DukeFanSince1990
07-02-2017, 06:11 PM
An interview with Jordan Goldwire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTcmcsE_ieE) for anyone interested.

Great piece. Solid kid.

Spanarkel
07-03-2017, 09:02 AM
An interview with Jordan Goldwire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTcmcsE_ieE) for anyone interested.

Enjoyed the interview. Thanks for sharing. Count me a Jordan(Goldwire and Tucker)fan.