State of SC - sweep all 3 sports ?!?

[Tom B.]

If South Carolina manages to win the national championship, not only will it be the school's first basketball title, it would make history in another way, too.

The state of South Carolina currently holds the college football (Clemson) and College World Series (Coastal Carolina) championships. If South Carolina wins the basketball championship, it'll be the first time since 1975 that a single state has held all three championships.

Southern California won the College World Series and a share of the college football national championship in 1974, and UCLA won the basketball championship in 1975.

To find a year that didn't involve a split college football championship, you have to go back a couple more years to 1973. Southern California won the college football championship in 1972, then UCLA won the basketball championship in 1973. Southern California was already the defending CWS champion from 1972, and won it again in 1973.

[OldPhiKap]

If South Carolina manages to win the national championship, not only will it be the school's first basketball title, it would make history in another way, too.

The state of South Carolina currently holds the college football (Clemson) and College World Series (Coastal Carolina) championships. If South Carolina wins the basketball championship, it'll be the first time since 1975 that a single state has held all three championships.

Southern California won the College World Series and a share of the college football national championship in 1974, and UCLA won the basketball championship in 1975.

To find a year that didn't involve a split college football championship, you have to go back a couple more years to 1973. Southern California won the college football championship in 1972, then UCLA won the basketball championship in 1973. Southern California was already the defending CWS champion from 1972, and won it again in 1973.

USC Women are also still alive, although on UConn's side of the bracket.

USC, IIRC, won the college world series two or three years in a row recently. Did not know that Coastal won it this year.

[Olympic Fan]

South Carolina's two wins in Madison Square Garden this weekend are the first two wins in the Sweet 16 round or beyond in school history.

A couple of weeks ago, I argued that South Carolina's basketball history was among the worst of any P6 school -- specifically worse than Clemson.

After last weekend, I have to back off that -- with a Final Four trip, the Gamecocks finally surpass the Tigers (who topped out with an Elite Eight appearance in 1980).

PS OPK, I assume you are using USC to refer to South Carolina ... really confusing with Tom B. talking about Southern California in the quote you cite. To most of us, USC is Southern California (and Carolina refers to the Cheats).

[Tom B.]

USC, IIRC, won the college world series two or three years in a row recently. Did not know that Coastal won it this year.

Yes, South Carolina won the College World Series in 2010 and 2011. Beyond that, their only other NCAA championship is in women's indoor track (2002). They have three national titles in women's equestrian, but college equestrian championships are sponsored by a different body (the National Collegiate Equestrian Association, or NCEA) from the NCAA.

[lotusland]

South Carolina's two wins in Madison Square Garden this weekend are the first two wins in the Sweet 16 round or beyond in school history.

A couple of weeks ago, I argued that South Carolina's basketball history was among the worst of any P6 school -- specifically worse than Clemson.

After last weekend, I have to back off that -- with a Final Four trip, the Gamecocks finally surpass the Tigers (who topped out with an Elite Eight appearance in 1980).

PS OPK, I assume you are using USC to refer to South Carolina ... really confusing with Tom B. talking about Southern California in the quote you cite. To most of us, USC is Southern California (and Carolina refers to the Cheats).

I missed your argument about USC vs Clemson. I'm not saying your wrong but Frank Maguire did win the ACC one year which Clemson has never done even though the the "regular season championship " was invented for them. Maguire made 3-4 sweet 16s and maybe won an NIT championship?? A bit before my time but a lot of it occurred when only the ACC champs got invited. I'm not sure how the NIT was regarded in comparison then either. I don't know that Clemson is clearly better but maybe an argument can be made. I don't think either school has much to hang their hat on but USC was a legit national contender for a short time. Clemson is still trying to win a game in Chapel Hill (I'm pulling hard for them.)

[gofurman]

Football - done. Clemson
Baseball - done. Coastal Carolina
Basketball ? USC. ?? 80 minutes from that happening

Has that ever happened? All 3 major sports in one state ... And such a small state too. Crazy. If it has I bet it was Texas or California or Florida.

Even if unc won it would be all three champions from the Carolinas though I don't want that. Go Ducks

[msdukie]

Football - done. Clemson
Baseball - done. Coastal Carolina
Basketball ? USC. ?? 80 minutes from that happening

Has that ever happened? All 3 major sports in one state ... And such a small state too. Crazy. If it has I bet it was Texas or California or Florida.

Even if unc won it would be all three champions from the Carolinas though I don't want that. Go Ducks

The three major sports (and defined "revenue" sports), are Football, Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball.

[uh_no]

The three major sports (and defined "revenue" sports), are Football, Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball.

well, looking good for the gamecocks right now....next weekend, perhaps not so much. we'll see.

[gofurman]

The three major sports (and defined "revenue" sports), are Football, Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball.

Ok, fine. My question still stands. Has anyone won the three major MENS sports from one state in the same year? Football check. Clemson. Baseball check Coastal Carolina. Basketball? USC ???

EDIT- I see someone else addressed this. I suspected if it had been done or close it was Texas or California. For a state the size of SC to do it would be phenomenal. Heck. Football and baseball (whether basketball happens or not) is already pretty astounding if you ask me. I mean NC as a state has a lot more population etc and when has NC won both football and basketball ? Or football and baseball .. Or basketball and baseball ? Tons of basketball champs but football and baseball Become limiting factors.

[DukieInKansas]

Well, their women are now going to the Final Four, so maybe it is possible for the 3 revenue sports, also. They were rank #1 at one point this season, as I recall. Assuming they beat Stanford to get to the Final Game, can they beat UConn?

[uh_no]

Well, their women are now going to the Final Four, so maybe it is possible for the 3 revenue sports, also. They were rank #1 at one point this season, as I recall. Assuming they beat Stanford to get to the Final Game, can they beat UConn?

the first game was pretty close.

[Olympic Fan]

The three major sports (and defined "revenue" sports), are Football, Men's Basketball and Women's Basketball.

When did women's basketball become a revenue sport?

Mark Emmert, the president of the NCAA, said last spring that women's basketball LOSES $14 million a year:

http://thebiglead.com/2016/04/20/womens-college-basketball-loses-14-million-a-year-says-mark-emmert/

Kristi Dosh did a widely distributed study in 2012 and the seven most successful women's basketball programs in the country were all losing money -- in the six or seven digit range.

Baseball isn't a revenue sport either.

There are two and only two revenue sports: men's basketball and football.

I know that the last TV contract before the current one between the ACC and E$PN actually had the ACC PAYING to get women's basketball games on the air. Not sure if that's still the case, but I guarantee that neither the ACC or any of its schools is making any significant TV money on women's basketball.

[uh_no]

When did women's basketball become a revenue sport?

Mark Emmert, the president of the NCAA, said last spring that women's basketball LOSES $14 million a year:


revenue != profit

[Bob Green]

Football - done. Clemson
Baseball - done. Coastal Carolina
Basketball ? USC. ?? 80 minutes from that happening

Has that ever happened? All 3 major sports in one state ..

This is already being discussed in a thread on the 1st page:

http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?39836-Possible-history-in-the-making

[gofurman]

This is already being discussed in a thread on the 1st page:

http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?39836-Possible-history-in-the-making

Anyway I didn't mean to get into a discussion of which sports are revenue generating.

Simply noting that the small state of SC has -
Football champions . Clemson.
Baseball champions. Coastal Carolina
Men's basketball final four ..,? USC
Women's basketball final four ,?,, USC

That's getting pretty phenomenal regardless how it finishes. And if it takes out the Tar Heels, well, go USC !!!

[FadedTackyShirt]

Definitely impressive. Wisconsin, South Carolina, and Oregon are all average sized states that have produced excellent football and basketball programs.

A buddy's a Clemson alum and he's stunned that Clemson can win a title in football, but can't recruit 8 studs for hoops. Would think they should be able to get them between CLT & ATL.

[Tom B.]

A buddy's a Clemson alum and he's stunned that Clemson can win a title in football, but can't recruit 8 studs for hoops.

That would require the school and its fans to actually give a damn about basketball, rather than viewing it as a diversion to keep them occupied between football and spring football.

[dragoneye776]

Well with UConn's loss and SC win in women's basketball, don't rule out the possibility of a 4 sport sweep!

[uh_no]

Well with UConn's loss and SC win in women's basketball, don't rule out the possibility of a 4 sport sweep!

>:|

grrr.

[weezie]

Fine by me. Just think of how Rumplestilholes would tear themselves in half.

[wavedukefan70s]

That would require the school and its fans to actually give a damn about basketball, rather than viewing it as a diversion to keep them occupied between football and spring football.

I saw a meme today about U.S.C that said: and overnight they all became basketball fans.

[BD80]

Apparently the Coastal Carolina cheerleaders have gone pro ...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701120-coastal-carolina-cheerleaders-reportedly-suspended-amid-prostitution-allegations

but not one-and-dones? (rim shot).

Cheerleaders suspended due to... "alleg[ations] that Coastal Carolina cheerleaders engaged in 'prostitution, purchasing alcohol for underage team members and paying others to complete their homework assignments.'"

Those transgression merit equal billing?

[sagegrouse]

Apparently the Coastal Carolina cheerleaders have gone pro ...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701120-coastal-carolina-cheerleaders-reportedly-suspended-amid-prostitution-allegations

but not one-and-dones? (rim shot).

Cheerleaders suspended due to... "alleg[ations] that Coastal Carolina cheerleaders engaged in 'prostitution, purchasing alcohol for underage team members and paying others to complete their homework assignments.'"

Those transgression merit equal billing?

An anonymous letter to the school president. "Suspension" involves a cheerleading showcase at CC and participation in a national cheerleading contest but apparently no CC athletic events.

[PackMan97]

Shouldn't it be all 4?

I believe Coastal Carolina is the current NCAABB Champ! So, even though it's not the same academic year they still hold it until the 2017 season is finished.

[gofurman]

Shouldn't it be all 4?

I believe Coastal Carolina is the current NCAABB Champ! So, even though it's not the same academic year they still hold it until the 2017 season is finished.

Yes. All 4

Football. Clemson
Baseball. Coastal Carolina - who is sketchy on academics...
Men's basketball. USC FF or?
Women's basketball USC in national title

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Oh well.

[gofurman]

Oh well.

It's astounding regardless.

Clemson. Complete. Football national champ
Coastal Carolina. Complete. Baseball national champ
USC women - either runner up or national champion
USC men - Final Four. That's astounding for a state the size of SC.

About the population of Atlanta I think. 3 million people total

Could be three national champs and a Men's Final Four. Pretty much domination of all sports by SC

Regardless. I wanted Gonzaga to win. I am not sure USC could have competed on the boards ... Gonzaga has the Polish guy and Collins who are both loads

[YmoBeThere]

It's astounding regardless.

Clemson. Complete. Football national champ
Coastal Carolina. Complete. Baseball national champ
USC women - either runner up or national champion
USC men - Final Four. That's astounding for a state the size of SC.

About the population of Atlanta I think. 3 million people total

Could be three national champs and a Men's Final Four. Pretty much domination of all sports by SC

Regardless. I wanted Gonzaga to win. I am not sure USC could have competed on the boards ... Gonzaga has the Polish guy and Collins who are both loads

Any reference to population, etc. is a moot point in my opinion. Unless all the players came from South Carolina. Clemson wouldn't have a title if DeShaun Watson hadn't crossed state lines to go there. Would the Gamecocks be in the Final Four without Chris Silva from Gabon via New Jersey?

[Tom B.]

About the population of Atlanta I think. 3 million people total.

Just under five million, actually, according to the July 2016 estimate from the U.S. Census Bureau (4,961,119).

Somewhat similar to Atlanta, depending on which population metric you use. The 2015 estimates for Atlanta were 4.5 million for the urban area, 5.7 million for the Metropolitan Statistical Area, and 6.3 million for the Combined Statistical Area. Of course, the city proper is less than 500,000.