Thomas Sirk to Transfer

[Tripping William]

Will play sixth season at another (unspecified) institution (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=211505890).

Best of luck to him, wherever he lands.

[FerryFor50]

Stinks, but it makes sense. He wouldn't see the field much next season with Daniel Jones coming off a stellar freshman year.

[OldPhiKap]

Will play sixth season at another (unspecified) institution (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=211505890).

Best of luck to him, wherever he lands.

I wish Thomas well. Glad for all he did at Duke, and hope his future is bright and injury-free!

[uh_no]

Will play sixth season at another (unspecified) institution (http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=211505890).

Best of luck to him, wherever he lands.

wow. that stinks. I was looking forward to the return of the goal-to-go power package :( but perhaps sirk is looking for more.

That pinstripe bowl victory won't fade from Duke fans' memories for a while.

[DukieInKansas]

I wish Thomas well. Glad for all he did at Duke, and hope his future is bright and injury-free!

What my wise friend said! Good luck, Thomas Sirk! You will always be a Blue Devil.

[CDu]

Seemed the most likely outcome given how well Jones played this year as a freshman. It would be hard to tell Jones he needs to sit so that Sirk can play. And for the long-term in the program, it is probably better to play Jones. So if Sirk wanted to play, it was probably a necessity that he transfer. Best of luck to him at whatever program gets his services. It's just a shame that his career couldn't end as a starter at Duke, but injuries are what they are.

[elvis14]

As much has he's been hurt, I worry less about him playing football and just hope that he can lead a relatively healthy life long term. Best of luck to him on and off the football field.

[Indoor66]

Probably a good plan for both sides. Can only wish the best to Mr. Sirk for his health and for a successful year and remaining career.

[Clocktower]

This is a good outcome for both Jones and Sirk. Even though I agree it would have been nice to have him do the Connette thing at the goal line for the Devils this coming season, he wouldn't have been satisfied with that and he'll be better utilized in a program that needs to bridge to a new recruit or current frosh at QB. This lets Daniel lead without looking over his shoulder, and lets our other QBs get more practice reps. Here's hoping both guys continue to develop and stay healthy and meet again on an NFL field someday.

[duke79]

This is a good outcome for both Jones and Sirk. Even though I agree it would have been nice to have him do the Connette thing at the goal line for the Devils this coming season, he wouldn't have been satisfied with that and he'll be better utilized in a program that needs to bridge to a new recruit or current frosh at QB. This lets Daniel lead without looking over his shoulder, and lets our other QBs get more practice reps. Here's hoping both guys continue to develop and stay healthy and meet again on an NFL field someday.
I agree with you. I assume TK already has his Duke degree? When I first heard that he was going to try to play next Fall, I immediately thought it would be awkward for both TK and DJ (and the coaching staff) IF they both were healthy. Jones is obviously the future of the program for the next three years or so and Thomas Kirk has been a loyal and, at times, very productive foot soldier as QB. I would not want to have to make a decision as to which one would start. I hope Thomas remains healthy and finds a school that can use his services. He is a very tough football player. I'll remember him just running right over linebackers.

[moonpie23]

best of luck to him.....thanks for all you've done for Duke

[Devil in the Blue Dress]

I agree with you. I assume TK already has his Duke degree? When I first heard that he was going to try to play next Fall, I immediately thought it would be awkward for both TK and DJ (and the coaching staff) IF they both were healthy. Jones is obviously the future of the program for the next three years or so and Thomas Kirk has been a loyal and, at times, very productive foot soldier as QB. I would not want to have to make a decision as to which one would start. I hope Thomas remains healthy and finds a school that can use his services. He is a very tough football player. I'll remember him just running right over linebackers.

Thomas will be completing his second Duke degree in May.

[hudlow]

Thomas will be completing his second Duke degree in May.

That's what I call a student-athlete.

Good luck Thomas!

[Olympic Fan]

Just to be clear, there never was any real competition between Sirk and Jones for the starting job in 2017.

Sirk is rehabbing his injury and is not taking part in spring drills. And very much like last year, he would almost certainly be restricted next August in the run-up to the season.

That said, it would have been great to have Sirk on the roster -- both as added depth at QB and as a specialist player -- maybe as a wildcat quarterback. I had heard that the coaches were going to try and give him snaps at slot-back ... assuming he was healthy.

I understand his QB ambitions and that makes his decision to transfer understandable. Thomas Sirk has been a great representative for Duke and he gave us one of the top 5 QB seasons in modern Duke history in 2015. He's a great student-athlete and a great representative of the school.

I wish him luck wherever he goes and hope he gets one more chance to show off his QB skills.

[Devilwin]

Hate to hear this. He gave his all for Duke Football. Best of luck, Thomas, wherever you go!

[chrishoke]

Academic All ACC
Team Captain
MYP of Duke's first bowl win since 1961

Thank you Mr. Sirk, and best of luck!


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[53n206]

With gratitude and admiration, best of everything to Mr. Sirk

[jv001]

Thank you Thomas. You gave us all you had and you're a great representative for Duke University, on the field and in the class room. GoDuke!

[BD80]

As long as it isn't to Michigan*, best of luck! He is already the top transfer in play, according to CBS.


* or the Dutch!

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Best of luck at your destination and thank you for all that you have done for Duke, both on and off the field.

Is there any speculation as to where he might go - any teams clearly in need of a QB? He will be somewhat disadvantaged not having had spring practice but as a sixth year senior I'm sure he's smart enough to figure it out.

[budwom]

Best of luck at your destination and thank you for all that you have done for Duke, both on and off the field.

Is there any speculation as to where he might go - any teams clearly in need of a QB? He will be somewhat disadvantaged not having had spring practice but as a sixth year senior I'm sure he's smart enough to figure it out.

yup, not easy working back from his injury AND going to a new system without the benefit of Spring football....maybe an FCS school? I'll be pleasantly surprised if he ends up
at an FBS school...

[killerleft]

yup, not easy working back from his injury AND going to a new system without the benefit of Spring football...maybe an FCS school? I'll be pleasantly surprised if he ends up
at an FBS school...

There are some FBS schools that would love to have Thomas Sirk, spring practice or not. I think he'll have a good selection to choose from.

[budwom]

There are some FBS schools that would love to have Thomas Sirk, spring practice or not. I think he'll have a good selection to choose from.

can you give some examples? How do you know this? p.s. I suspect his destination has already been determined...

[killerleft]

can you give some examples? How do you know this? p.s. I suspect his destination has already been determined...

I don't know this. Brandon Connette transferred to Fresno State. Sirk is a very good quarterback. Just an opinion. If our Greg Paulus can quarterback at Syracuse with no previous college experience...

[budwom]

I don't know this. Brandon Connette transferred to Fresno State. Sirk is a very good quarterback. Just an opinion. If our Greg Paulus can quarterback at Syracuse with no previous college experience...

I hope you're right, but I seriously doubt it. Connette was in good physical shape when he left; Sirk isn't even cleared to practice yet....

[Dukelogger]

I hope you're right, but I seriously doubt it. Connette was in good physical shape when he left; Sirk isn't even cleared to practice yet...

ECU makes sense from a football standpoint if he's healthy. Knows / fits the offense and even has some familiarity with a couple 2017 opponents. And there is good bbq in Greenville. Not as good as Bullocks but still pretty good:cool:

[budwom]

ECU makes sense from a football standpoint if he's healthy. Knows / fits the offense and even has some familiarity with a couple 2017 opponents. And there is good bbq in Greenville. Not as good as Bullocks but still pretty good:cool:

Q is as good as any reason...i think we'll find out the destination very soon...

[wilson]

ECU makes sense from a football standpoint if he's healthy. Knows / fits the offense and even has some familiarity with a couple 2017 opponents. And there is good bbq in Greenville. Not as good as Bullocks but still pretty good:cool:B's Barbeque in Greenville makes Bullock's look like dog food.
Bill Ellis BBQ in Wilson is also worlds better than Bullock's.
My own BBQ is also better than Bullock's.
This is also better than Bullock's:
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[flyingdutchdevil]

B's Barbeque in Greenville makes Bullock's look like dog food.
Bill Ellis BBQ in Wilson is also worlds better than Bullock's.
My own BBQ is also better than Bullock's.
This is also better than Bullock's:
7214

Gotta agree with this man. Never understood the love for Bullock's. It's mediocre at best.

[devildeac]

B's Barbeque in Greenville makes Bullock's look like dog food.
Bill Ellis BBQ in Wilson is also worlds better than Bullock's.
My own BBQ is also better than Bullock's.
This is also better than Bullock's:
7214

Very strange you should mention Bill Ellis. He died two days ago.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article135453669.html

[BD80]

Very strange you should mention Bill Ellis. He died two days ago.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article135453669.html

If it were me in Bill's BBQ shoes, I would have left specific instructions for the "funeral" - it may have amused only me - but it would have amused me greatly.

[Olympic Fan]

Gotta agree with this man. Never understood the love for Bullock's. It's mediocre at best.


As long as we're hijacking the thread ... I don't understand the anti-Bullock feeling. It's superb ... a million times better than that garbage at Allen and Sons.

[camion]

I always liked Bullocks, but then I usually ordered the fried chicken and brunswick stew combo.

[formerdukeathlete]

I don't know this. Brandon Connette transferred to Fresno State. Sirk is a very good quarterback. Just an opinion. If our Greg Paulus can quarterback at Syracuse with no previous college experience...

There was no comparison between Paulus and Sirk as QBs out of high school.

https://n.rivals.com/news/the-next-10-the-rivals100-from-61-to-70

' On film, Paulus looks like he is the best quarterback in the land, but he lands at the No. 65 spot because football is only a part-time gig for him. The 6-foot-1, 180-pounder is committed to Duke in basketball and is still toying with the idea of playing both sports in college. But has yet to commit to that.
Does he sign with Duke in November and give up two years of football, or will he sign with Duke or someone else for football in February and play both sports?
“That's obviously one of the things we need to consider," said David Paulus, Greg’s father. "Greg is giving strong thought to football these days. He hasn't changed his mind yet and basketball is his first love, but he knows if he signs to play basketball, he can't play football for two years."
So what will he do?
"It seems to make more sense to sign for football and play both if that's what he wants," said his father. "But we haven't decided anything yet. Greg has a lot of great football programs recruiting him like Miami, Syracuse, Notre Dame and others, and Duke is as good as it gets for basketball, so we'll see what happens.
"Most people see him as both an NBA prospect and an NFL prospect, but we know he'll have to choose one sport eventually. Usually after a couple of years in college, players who play both settle into one. But playing both has worked for guys like Charlie Ward, so it can be done." '

Rivals was the most highly regarded rating service at the time.

Rivals ranked Sirk 84th prospect in Florida and without a national rank. They did give him 3 stars whereas Scout rated Sirk as a 2 star prospect.

[killerleft]

There was no comparison between Paulus and Sirk as QBs out of high school.

https://n.rivals.com/news/the-next-10-the-rivals100-from-61-to-70

' On film, Paulus looks like he is the best quarterback in the land, but he lands at the No. 65 spot because football is only a part-time gig for him. The 6-foot-1, 180-pounder is committed to Duke in basketball and is still toying with the idea of playing both sports in college. But has yet to commit to that.
Does he sign with Duke in November and give up two years of football, or will he sign with Duke or someone else for football in February and play both sports?
“That's obviously one of the things we need to consider," said David Paulus, Greg’s father. "Greg is giving strong thought to football these days. He hasn't changed his mind yet and basketball is his first love, but he knows if he signs to play basketball, he can't play football for two years."
So what will he do?
"It seems to make more sense to sign for football and play both if that's what he wants," said his father. "But we haven't decided anything yet. Greg has a lot of great football programs recruiting him like Miami, Syracuse, Notre Dame and others, and Duke is as good as it gets for basketball, so we'll see what happens.
"Most people see him as both an NBA prospect and an NFL prospect, but we know he'll have to choose one sport eventually. Usually after a couple of years in college, players who play both settle into one. But playing both has worked for guys like Charlie Ward, so it can be done." '

Rivals was the most highly regarded rating service at the time.

Rivals ranked Sirk 84th prospect in Florida and without a national rank. They did give him 3 stars whereas Scout rated Sirk as a 2 star prospect.

We'll see where Sirk ends up.

[wilson]

...I don't understand the anti-Bullock feeling. It's superb ... a million times better than that garbage at Allen and Sons.False.

[ricks68]

False.

Fake false. A & S is the worst NC BBQ I have ever tasted, but then, I had another beef rib at Killen's just south of Houston earlier today and it may have destroyed any desire to eat NC BBQ of any kind ever again. (Not true, however, as I still consider some very good------just that it's a fur piece behind Texas BBQ.)

Now, please, let's save the off season chatter for the off season----and on the appropriate thread.😯

ricks

[Indoor66]

If no Kentucky in the thread title, no BBQ discussion! 👹😈🤔😎

[bluedev_92]

I happen to be a Duke and University of Delaware grad. Follow Delaware football closely. We are looking for QB help and have a great pedigree with Joe Flacco & Rich Gannon. I think Sirk could be a good fit, if he can get back to his old self physically. The main issue that most schools will have is that it's a one year gig. Transferring in takes some adjustment & coming off of an injury with only one year of eligibility could make it tough if you are looking for continuity in a new QB. However, this could work if it gives a team the flexibility to help younger recruits mature while the transfer is in place. I would certainly take a shot at him. I think he'd be better than what we have now, which is not up to our normal QB standards. We have a new coach and are trying to get back to our glory days. I think we're on the right path & the new coach (Danny Rocco from Richmond) seems like a winner. Good luck to Sirk, whatever happens.

As an aside - I don't know if any on the board remember, but Shawn Johnson (all ACC D-lineman) transferred from Duke to Delaware in the middle of his career & helped lead Delaware to a national title. That guy was incredible @ 6-5 275, he was a force...

[Indoor66]

I happen to be a Duke and University of Delaware grad. Follow Delaware football closely. We are looking for QB help and have a great pedigree with Joe Flacco & Rich Gannon. I think Sirk could be a good fit, if he can get back to his old self physically. The main issue that most schools will have is that it's a one year gig. Transferring in takes some adjustment & coming off of an injury with only one year of eligibility could make it tough if you are looking for continuity in a new QB. However, this could work if it gives a team the flexibility to help younger recruits mature while the transfer is in place. I would certainly take a shot at him. I think he'd be better than what we have now, which is not up to our normal QB standards. We have a new coach and are trying to get back to our glory days. I think we're on the right path & the new coach (Danny Rocco from Richmond) seems like a winner. Good luck to Sirk, whatever happens.

As an aside - I don't know if any on the board remember, but Shawn Johnson (all ACC D-lineman) transferred from Duke to Delaware in the middle of his career & helped lead Delaware to a national title. That guy was incredible @ 6-5 275, he was a force...

He could become a Deviled Blue Hen! :p;):cool:

[Avvocato]

First and foremost, best of luck and health to Sirk. I hope he finds what he's looking for and thank him for his service at Duke.

From a football standpoint, it's a pretty interesting situation (at least to me). From Sirk's standpoint, he likely knows that once his eligibility expires, he's probably done as a football player (never say never, but most likely). He probably wants one last chance to play some ball and realizes that the door at Duke (barring several injuries - knock on wood) has closed. This is Daniel Jones' team, we have Boehme for his fifth year, and we are starting to bring in other young QBs. The problem for Sirk is that he has had three achilles injuries in the past few years, has only one year as a starter, and probably won't be fully healthy by August (based on nothing but my own guess). His best asset as a QB is his legs, and you can't count on them due to his injuries. I don't know what a college program can offer or promise him in terms of playing time or opportunity. You would think a smaller school is willing to offer something, but even they won't know what they are getting health-wise until he shows up and proves he is healthy (and who knows at what point in the season that will be), plus, he most likely will have to learn a new system. Maybe as a captain and former starter, it's hard for Sirk to comeback healthy and be the #2 or even #3 guy. I hope whatever Sirk is looking for by transferring he finds it. Again, I wish him nothing but the best. If he does go to try and play elsewhere, I really hope he stays healthy. I can't imagine what another injury might do to him mentally. Thanks again, Mr. Sirk, for everything.

[bluedev_92]

He could become a Deviled Blue Hen! :p;):cool:


Funny you should mention that. I actually use DevilHen for some web logins!

[jimsumner]

I happen to be a Duke and University of Delaware grad. Follow Delaware football closely. We are looking for QB help and have a great pedigree with Joe Flacco & Rich Gannon. I think Sirk could be a good fit, if he can get back to his old self physically. The main issue that most schools will have is that it's a one year gig. Transferring in takes some adjustment & coming off of an injury with only one year of eligibility could make it tough if you are looking for continuity in a new QB. However, this could work if it gives a team the flexibility to help younger recruits mature while the transfer is in place. I would certainly take a shot at him. I think he'd be better than what we have now, which is not up to our normal QB standards. We have a new coach and are trying to get back to our glory days. I think we're on the right path & the new coach (Danny Rocco from Richmond) seems like a winner. Good luck to Sirk, whatever happens.

As an aside - I don't know if any on the board remember, but Shawn Johnson (all ACC D-lineman) transferred from Duke to Delaware in the middle of his career & helped lead Delaware to a national title. That guy was incredible @ 6-5 275, he was a force...

Duke grad Bill Murray coached at Delaware before coming back to his alma mater.

I remember liking the hire at the time. :)

Of course, I was in diapers.

[Indoor66]

Duke grad Bill Murray coached at Delaware before coming back to his alma mater.

I remember liking the hire at the time. :)

Of course, I was in diapers.

Yeah, that one worked out OK of us. Also, Mike Brey went to Delaware from Duke before going to Notre Dame. Good Duke ties over the years.

[OldPhiKap]

Funny you should mention that. I actually use DevilHen for some web logins!

David Hendu Henderson was a DevilHen of sorts for awhile.

[Indoor66]

David Hendu Henderson was a DevilHen of sorts for awhile.

Also Steve Steinwedel who was an assistant at Duke in the late 70's went to Delaware. I think he also spent time as head coach there.

[sagegrouse]

Duke grad Bill Murray coached at Delaware before coming back to his alma mater.

I remember liking the hire at the time. :)

Of course, I was in diapers.

The sculpture of Bill Murray on the Duke campus, which was created by my classmate Frank Creech, was originally commissioned by the University of Delaware, perhaps as part of its athletic hall of fame.

[peloton]

Allow me to apologize in advance as I derail this thread once again but a few words come to mind as I read over it...Backyard BBQ Pit on Hwy 55. If you haven't had their pork BBQ...nay, their manna from heaven yet, you cannot legitimately argue as to who has the best swine in NC :cool:.

Back to your regularly scheduled program though - I will very much miss Thomas Sirk donning a Blue Devils uniform. The guy was an absolute warrior...one tough customer who gave his all while playing for Duke. I and others won't soon forget his thrilling long TD run against the Hoosiers and leading us to our first bowl victory in forever and a day. Both he and the team were not going to be denied that day. I certainly don't blame him at all for wanting to finish up his eligibility where he might be able to possibly play more than just "a bit". Best of luck to Sirk wherever he ends up and hopefully he gets a chance to make a meaningful contribution to some program who can utilize his skills. Mr. Sirk has obviously cemented his place in Duke football history though...and with good reason.

[Devilwin]

Allow me to apologize in advance as I derail this thread once again but a few words come to mind as I read over it...Backyard BBQ Pit on Hwy 55. If you haven't had their pork BBQ...nay, their manna from heaven yet, you cannot legitimately argue as to who has the best swine in NC :cool:.

Back to your regularly scheduled program though - I will very much miss Thomas Sirk donning a Blue Devils uniform. The guy was an absolute warrior...one tough customer who gave his all while playing for Duke. I and others won't soon forget his thrilling long TD run against the Hoosiers and leading us to our first bowl victory in forever and a day. Both he and the team were not going to be denied that day. I certainly don't blame him at all for wanting to finish up his eligibility where he might be able to possibly play more than just "a bit". Best of luck to Sirk wherever he ends up and hopefully he gets a chance to make a meaningful contribution to some program who can utilize his skills. Mr. Sirk has obviously cemented his place in Duke football history though...and with good reason.

I can say with all certainty if said BBQ is not from the Lexington area, then it has not prayer one of being best in the state.
Good luck to Thomas Sirk, we'll miss you.
And I am so looking forward to football season..

[bluedev_92]

Also Steve Steinwedel who was an assistant at Duke in the late 70's went to Delaware. I think he also spent time as head coach there.

He did indeed!

[bluedev_92]

The sculpture of Bill Murray on the Duke campus, which was created by my classmate Frank Creech, was originally commissioned by the University of Delaware, perhaps as part of its athletic hall of fame.

That's an interesting fact - I didn't know that...

[bluedev_92]

Yeah, that one worked out OK of us. Also, Mike Brey went to Delaware from Duke before going to Notre Dame. Good Duke ties over the years.

Defiinitely - had season tickets back when Brey was the Coach - liked his teams & was sorry to see him go, but he was meant for a bigger stage...

[bluedev_92]

Sorry to keep one-offing all of these messages, just catching up... Let's not forget Kenny Blakeney. He coached at Delaware under Brey (both Duke & DeMatha products) & Henderson. I think he took some time off between those stints trying to start a sports academy with Thomas Hill.
On the non-sports side, David Roselle was the President of the University of Delaware for 17 years - he also received his Ph.D. in mathematics from Duke. He was an avid sports fan & a few times we were able to discuss the fact that we both attended the same schools. Very nice guy. Before he came to Delaware, he was the President of the University of Kentucky (we don't like to talk about that part):)

[Indoor66]

Keep all this up and we will have to move on to the William & Mary ties and then the Alabama ties. 😀😎

[1999ballboy]

As an aside - I don't know if any on the board remember, but Shawn Johnson (all ACC D-lineman) transferred from Duke to Delaware in the middle of his career & helped lead Delaware to a national title. That guy was incredible @ 6-5 275, he was a force...

Ben Patrick, a TE who was drafted by the Cardinals and scored a TD in the Super Bowl against the Steelers, was also a Duke transfer to Delaware.

[94duke]

Sirk to visit S. Carolina (Kurt Roper). He has also visited ECU (Scottie Montgomery) and Southern Mississippi.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-recruiting/article141929129.html

[FadedTackyShirt]

Sirk to visit S. Carolina (Kurt Roper). He has also visited ECU (Scottie Montgomery) and Southern Mississippi.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-recruiting/article141929129.html

What graduate programs do ECU and Southern Miss offer that Duke doesn't? Grad transfer rule may have been well intentioned, but are two (non-professional) advanced degrees really going to benefit Sirk that much?

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

What graduate programs do ECU and Southern Miss offer that Duke doesn't? Grad transfer rule may have been well intentioned, but are two (non-professional) advanced degrees really going to benefit Sirk that much?

It is clearly a football move for PT, coupled with an academic opportunity.

[sagegrouse]

What graduate programs do ECU and Southern Miss offer that Duke doesn't? Grad transfer rule may have been well intentioned, but are two (non-professional) advanced degrees really going to benefit Sirk that much?

Well, there are majors, at opposite extremes, in Recreational Science and Building Construction Management for Mississippi State, and remember that East Carolina used to be ECTC and Duke offers only an MAT.

[CDu]

What graduate programs do ECU and Southern Miss offer that Duke doesn't? Grad transfer rule may have been well intentioned, but are two (non-professional) advanced degrees really going to benefit Sirk that much?

VERY few grad transfers do so for academic reasons. They are almost always doing it to improve their playing opportunities. In some cases, the grad program is an added bonus. But typically, the athletes are taking advantage of the rule for their athletic benefit.

[FadedTackyShirt]

VERY few grad transfers do so for academic reasons. They are almost always doing it to improve their playing opportunities. In some cases, the grad program is an added bonus. But typically, the athletes are taking advantage of the rule for their athletic benefit.

Understood, just think grad transfer rules are a net loser for Duke. Graduate good students on time and potentially lose them. Very few football or hoops grads could be admitted to Duke grad schools and contribute athletically.

Sirk's a good guy/QB, but probably not an NFL player. CFL and Arena League aren't great leagues. Maybe pick up a relevant degree if he wants to coach.

Grad transfer works for Obi: if he's healthy may be able to play in a decent international league; may also get two years via a medical redshirt and could knock out an MBA or two years of law school from a solid school.

Best of luck to both.

[sagegrouse]

Understood, just think grad transfer rules are a net loser for Duke. Graduate good students on time and potentially lose them. Very few football or hoops grads could be admitted to Duke grad schools and contribute athletically.

Sirk's a good guy/QB, but probably not an NFL player. CFL and Arena League aren't great leagues. Maybe pick up a relevant degree if he wants to coach.

Grad transfer works for Obi: if he's healthy may be able to play in a decent international league; may also get two years via a medical redshirt and could knock out an MBA or two years of law school from a solid school.

Best of luck to both.

I'm not sure we are on the same wave length. "Post-grad" status is a gimmick to avoid the sit-out rules for transfers -- but it does require the student to have graduated. For many "post-grad athletes," the new school puts together a collection of courses and gives it a unique label. It can be challenging or not challenging. Duke would do something similar. If the athlete is an outstanding student, then professional or graduate school programs may be a good idea, as they would offer career benefits downstream.

Here's a question I should know the answer to -- Aside from Thomas Sirk and Rasheed Sulaimon, has Duke ever lost or gained an athlete via post-grad transfer?

[CDu]

I'm not sure we are on the same wave length. "Post-grad" status is a gimmick to avoid the sit-out rules for transfers -- but it does require the student to have graduated. For many "post-grad athletes," the new school puts together a collection of courses and gives it a unique label. It can be challenging or not challenging. Duke would do something similar. If the athlete is an outstanding student, then professional or graduate school programs may be a good idea, as they would offer career benefits downstream.

Here's a question I should know the answer to -- Aside from Thomas Sirk and Rasheed Sulaimon, has Duke ever lost or gained an athlete via post-grad transfer?

Aside from Obi this year? Brandon Connette did it. Greg Paulus technically did too. But yeah, pretty uncommon with relation to Duke.

[pfrduke]

Aside from Obi this year? Brandon Connette did it. Greg Paulus technically did too. But yeah, pretty uncommon with relation to Duke.

Yeah, although for Paulus we didn't lose a year of basketball eligibility. He exhausted that before going to SU for a football year.

[CDu]

Yeah, although for Paulus we didn't lose a year of basketball eligibility. He exhausted that before going to SU for a football year.

Yeah we just "lost" a year of football eligibility. Which was of course irrelevant as he was never going to play for Duke football.

[FadedTackyShirt]

Tyler Krieg and Zach Smith both played on bowl winning teams as grad students.

[DU82]

Here's a question I should know the answer to -- Aside from Thomas Sirk and Rasheed Sulaimon, has Duke ever lost or gained an athlete via post-grad transfer?

Last season's baseball team had two graduate transfer pitchers: Kellon Urbon and Brian McAfee, both from Cornell. They both earned Master's in Management Studies at Fuqua.

[sagegrouse]

Tyler Krieg and Zach Smith both played on bowl winning teams as grad students.

Where?

[FadedTackyShirt]

Where?

Cal. Krieg-2007 & Zach-2007 & 2008.

Fuqua's one year MMS program makes sense, legit academic program primarily targeted to undergrad business majors with no work experience.

Wake's a fine school, but the one year MA in sports storytelling is an embarrassing vehicle trolling for jock grad students.

Nothing wrong with rewarding grad students if they can contribute in the classroom and athletically, but no need to cobble something together to exploit a loophole.

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Cal. Krieg-2007 & Zach-2007 & 2008.

Fuqua's one year MMS program makes sense, legit academic program primarily targeted to undergrad business majors with no work experience.

Wake's a fine school, but the one year MA in sports storytelling is an embarrassing vehicle trolling for jock grad students.

Nothing wrong with rewarding grad students if they can contribute in the classroom and athletically, but no need to cobble something together to exploit a loophole.

I hate to say "everyone does it," but, well, everyone does it. Not sure what the harm is if a kid is willing to do the classwork and needs a change of scenery.