Other people's bowls (ACC 8-3...)

[OldPhiKap]

Did not see a bowl thread.

BC and Maryland with an entertaining if sloppy game. BC looks to take a nice lead into the half. Love to see the Twerps get knocked around. Go ACC!

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I prefer not discuss my own bowels, much less the bowels of others...

What's that now?

Oh, I see.

Carry on.

[OldPhiKap]

I prefer not discuss my own bowels, much less the bowels of others...

What's that now?

Oh, I see.

Carry on.

You scared me, I thought I had a typo!!

[Indoor66]

RE: This Thread: All Bowl's (this year) are other people's Bowls! 😈😎

[OldPhiKap]

RE: This Thread: All Bowl's (this year) are other people's Bowls! ����

This year, yes. But did not want to break the continuity.

[YmoBeThere]

Vandy and NC State in the Independence Bowl...

[OldPhiKap]

BC trying to give this one away . . . .

[uh_no]

Vandy and NC State in the Independence Bowl...

I've had that on my calendar for weeks now. so pumped up and primed to kick back with a brew.....

....and watch pretty much anything other than this.

More christmas movies it is!

[YmoBeThere]

I've had that on my calendar for weeks now. so pumped up and primed to kick back with a brew...

...and watch pretty much anything other than this.

More christmas movies it is!

I was going to go to the game because there are casinos there...instead i scheduled a trip to Vegas.

[OldPhiKap]

BC beats the Twerps in what must have been the worst, sloppy last eight minutes of the season.

But, ACC beats Twerps. Happy here.

[YmoBeThere]

So, basically 6-6 in ACC > 6-6 B1G and 6-6 SEC.

[uh_no]

So, basically 6-6 in ACC > 6-6 B1G and 6-6 SEC.

ehhh....not a great comparison given 4 of BC's wins were OOC....More apt would be 2-6 ACC v w/e

[Bob Green]

I've had that on my calendar for weeks now. so pumped up and primed to kick back with a brew....

...and watch pretty much anything other than this.

More christmas movies it is!

For what it's worth (great Buffalo Springfield tune), I thought N.C. State looked really good last night. Jaylen Samuels had a great night scoring three TDs and Nyheim Hines ran a kick-off back for a TD. The Wolfpack could be a program on the rise although I am not up to speed on which key players they lose (other than RB Matt Dayes) and who is coming back.

Army and North Texas are tied at 31 and headed to overtime in the Heart of Dallas Bowl. I'm waiting for Wake Forest - Temple to kick it off in the Military Bowl.

[PackMan97]

For what it's worth (great Buffalo Springfield tune), I thought N.C. State looked really good last night. Jaylen Samuels had a great night scoring three TDs and Nyheim Hines ran a kick-off back for a TD. The Wolfpack could be a program on the rise although I am not up to speed on which key players they lose (other than RB Matt Dayes) and who is coming back.

Army and North Texas are tied at 31 and headed to overtime in the Heart of Dallas Bowl. I'm waiting for Wake Forest - Temple to kick it off in the Military Bowl.

We have a lot coming back, but have already lost Josh Jones (just declared for the NFL) and will likely lose Chubbs and maybe Samuels. We'll see. Should still be pretty good next year, but that might only be good enough for 4th in our division again :/

[Bob Green]

Wake Forest looked like dog pooh at the start throwing an interception and giving up a TD pass on Temple's first play from scrimmage but they have responded and lead 14-7 at the end of the 1st quarter.

[Bob Green]

We have a lot coming back...

What is the story with Johnny Frasier? He was highly recruited coming out of high school but seems to have disappeared.

[Bob Green]

Halftime: Wake Forest 31, Temple 10. Temple gets the ball first in the 2nd half.

[Bob Green]

ACC improves to 3-0 with Wake's 34-26 win over Temple in the Military Bowl. This was a very entertaining game.

[YmoBeThere]

6-6 ACC teams hold serve, let's see if the higher ranked teams can make waves.

[Bob Green]

Halftime: Northwestern 14, Pitt 10. The Wildcats' Justin Jackson has rushed for 147 yards and two touchdowns in the 1st half. Pitt needs to step it up in the 2nd half to avoid the upset.

[ipatent]

Northwestern won. Pitt was an enigmatic team this year, with wins over the Big 10 and ACC champs.

[Bob Green]

Northwestern looked very good on both sides of the ball today. One aspect of these bowl games is getting a look at teams on next season's schedule. QB Thorson, RB Jackson and WR Carr all have eligibility remaining. The Northwestern team that beat Pitt today was much better than the team that beat Duke back in September.

[Reilly]

The Pinstripe Bowl will always belong to Thomas Sirk. Always.

[OldPhiKap]

The Pinstripe Bowl will always belong to Thomas Sirk. Always.

and Shaun Wilson.

[OldPhiKap]

Nice win by Miami over a good WVa team. Richt can coach, happy for him though I dislike The U.

[Bob Green]

Arkansas is smacking VT around so far in the Belk Bowl. It is 17-0 Razorbacks with 20 seconds left in the 1st quarter.

[Merlindevildog91]

So why wasn't the Arkansas TE who was suspended from the Belk Bowl for shoplifting FROM BELK while using his $450 team member gift card on World News Tonight?

[Bob Green]

Halftime: Arkansas 24, VT 0

Razorbacks get the ball first in the 2nd half. It could get ugly if the Hokies do not start making some plays. An interesting graphic ESPN showed earlier is Arkansas is +63 in the 1st half this year but -62 in the 2nd half.

[Reilly]

So why wasn't the Arkansas TE who was suspended from the Belk Bowl for shoplifting FROM BELK while using his $450 team member gift card on World News Tonight?

Because Belk is a regional store, and Duke is a national brand? Just wait till Target or Wal-Mart starts sponsoring.

Maybe if the player used the bathroom for the alleged heist, the story would have more traction. Bathrooms seem to be big these days.

[Merlindevildog91]

Because Belk is a regional store, and Duke is a national brand? Just wait till Target or Wal-Mart starts sponsoring.

Maybe if the player used the bathroom for the alleged heist, the story would have more traction. Bathrooms seem to be big these days.

Only if he used the wrong bathroom. This was Charlotte, NC, after all.

[OldPhiKap]

Arkansas giving this one back to the turkeys.

[Bob Green]

VT dominating the 3rd quarter with 21 points to cut the lead to 24-21.

[Bob Green]

VT has now scored 28 unanswered points to take the lead with 12 minutes left to play.

[Bob Green]

ACC improves to 5-1 with VT's 35-24 win over Arkansas. Hopefully, the conference will pick up its second loss tomorrow in the Sun Bowl. :cool:

[Reilly]

... Hopefully, the conference will pick up its second loss tomorrow in the Sun Bowl ...

I think after Carolina is banished from intercollegiate athletics, the bowl record books will be amended so that their loss is not attributed to the ACC. Makes sense, as the ACC is a confederation of universities. Which one is not like the others?

[Olympic Fan]

ACC improves to 5-1 with VT's 35-24 win over Arkansas. Hopefully, the conference will pick up its second loss tomorrow in the Sun Bowl. :cool:

I'm, also impressed with the ACC's record. Compared to the other P5 leagues so far:

Big Ten 3-2 (1-1 vs. ACC)
8ig 12 3-1 (0-1 vs. ACC)
Pac 12 2-2 (0-0 vs. ACC)
and the mighty SEC 1-4 (0-2 vs. ACC). Only win was Miss State over Miami of Ohio when Miami missed a chip-shot game-winning FG in the final seconds.

Note: The Pac 12 and Big 12 records are counting an Okie State win over Colorado. I know that one's not over with and we just saw VPI pull a great comeback ...)

Like Bob, I will be pulling for Stanford against the Cheats in the Sun Bowl.

But I'll be a big time ACC fan for the other games, especially Clemson's two games in the playoffs and FSU's matchup with Michigan in the Orange Bowl.

[devildeac]

ACC improves to 5-1 with VT's 35-24 win over Arkansas. Hopefully, the conference will pick up its second loss tomorrow in the Sun Bowl. :cool:

I see what you did there ;).

Always and forever: GTHc, GTH.

[budwom]

Northwestern won. Pitt was an enigmatic team this year, with wins over the Big 10 and ACC champs.

Just my opinion, but I think Pitt would have won had QB Peterson and RB Connor not been sidelined...

[Nrrrrvous]

Ok, so Arkansas helped quite a bit with that "comeback" yesterday for the Hokies. But I will say this - VT now has an offensive mind in Fuente to go along with Bud Foster's defense. If they stick together for a few years, it could mean a return to prominence for VPI&SU.

[OldPhiKap]

Nice change to the title, whichever Mod did that.

[JasonEvans]

Nice change to the title, whichever Mod did that.

-jk was the clever one who put the ACC's record into the title.

[Bob Green]

But I will say this - VT now has an offensive mind in Fuente to go along with Bud Foster's defense.

Coach Fuente was very impressive during his interview prior to the start of the 2nd half. There was zero panic on his part in a situation where he could have been shell shocked. He calmly stated (paraphrasing) we get back into the game one play at a time.

[OldPhiKap]

Coach Fuente was very impressive during his interview prior to the start of the 2nd half. There was zero panic on his part in a situation where he could have been shell shocked. He calmly stated (paraphrasing) we get back into the game one play at a time.

True dat. And he needs to thank Bud Foster, because the defense was the spark that got the engine going.

It is freaky how good Arkansas has been in the first half all year, and how bad in the second. I think it some point it was something like +65/-90 or in that ballpark (not sure if they were including the bowl game, I thought it was just regular season).

[Olympic Fan]

-jk was the clever one who put the ACC's record into the title.

I hope the mods are ready to revise the record to 5-2 after this afternoon's Sun Bowl.

Hopefully, they can make it 6-2 after tonight's Orange Bowl -- that would be a big one for conference prestige (FSU-Michigan).

[OldPhiKap]

I hope the mods are ready to revise the record to 5-2 after this afternoon's Sun Bowl.

Hopefully, they can make it 6-2 after tonight's Orange Bowl -- that would be a big one for conference prestige (FSU-Michigan).

Preach.

I hate that all the nice folks I met in El Paso have to deal with the Heel fans. Sometimes, it IS safer in Jaurez after all.

[Bob Green]

I hope the mods are ready to revise the record to 5-2 after this afternoon's Sun Bowl.

I'm standing by...

[brevity]

With the Sun Bowl about to start, the PAC-12 Bay Area Network is finishing an appetizer: a UNC-Stanford game from 1998. I wonder how many of these old Heel players either wittingly or unwittingly received a miseducation. I have to assume all of them did.

[Bob Green]

North Carolina native Bryce Love with a nice 49 yard touchdown reception and run on the wheel route to tie things up in the Sun Bowl. Love is starting for Stanford due to McCaffrey opting not to play.

[Bob Green]

Halftime: Stanford 13, Carolina 7

The bad news is Stanford starting quarterback Chryst is out with a knee injury and the offense looks completely out of sync. Carolina turned it over twice, Trubisky threw an interception and fumbled*, but Stanford only scored three points off those turnovers.

I do not believe 13 points can win this game so Stanford needs to make adjustments and get the offense back in gear.

*the Umpire gets an assist for knocking the ball out of Trubisky's hand.

[Tom B.]

Wow, huge goal line stand by the Heels as Stanford was about to nail the coffin shut. Stanford had first and goal at the one yard line but couldn't punch it in, and had to settle for a field goal. Instead of being up by two scores, now Stanford's only up by eight, so Carolina is still alive.

Before that stand, Carolina had been collapsing in the fourth quarter. They entered the quarter up 17-16, then Trubisky threw a pick-six (Stanford went for two but didn't get it). UNC got the ball back and was driving in Stanford territory, then took a big loss on a sack on third down that took them out of field goal range. They punted to Stanford (touchback), then Stanford ran a trick play for 49 yards. A few plays later, it looked like UNC had stopped Stanford on third and goal, but a face mask penalty on UNC gave Stanford first down at the one yard line, setting up the goal line stand.

3:23 to go, Stanford up 25-17.

Update: And Stanford forces a three-and-out, thanks to a huge defensive play by Solomon Thomas, who sacked Trubisky on third-and-five.

2:00 to go, Stanford ball. Carolina now has to get stops and burn timeouts.

Update: And now Carolina forces a three-and-out. Stanford saves Carolina a timeout by running out of bounds on third down. But Stanford's punt is downed at the three yard line.

1:34 to go, Carolina ball. First-and-97.

[OldPhiKap]

Wow, huge goal line stand by the Heels as Stanford was about to nail the coffin shut. Stanford had first and goal at the one yard line but couldn't punch it in, and had to settle for a field goal. Instead of being up by two scores, now Stanford's only up by eight, so Carolina is still alive.

Before that stand, Carolina had been collapsing in the fourth quarter. They entered the quarter up 17-16, then Trubisky threw a pick-six (Stanford went for two but didn't get it). UNC got the ball back and was driving in Stanford territory, then took a big loss on a sack on third down that took them out of field goal range. They punted to Stanford (touchback), then Stanford ran a trick play for 49 yards. A few plays later, it looked like UNC had stopped Stanford on third and goal, but a face mask penalty on UNC gave Stanford first down at the one yard line, setting up the goal line stand.

3:23 to go, Stanford up 25-17.

Go big trees! Or whatever they are!

[aimo]

Go big trees! Or whatever they are!

Yay!

[Tom B.]

Wow, what a bananas ending. Carolina has two guys drop passes in the end zone before finally scoring on a broken play, as a scrambling Trubisky finds Bug Howard (who had one of the earlier drops) in the end zone. Then on the two-point conversion attempt, Solomon Thomas busts through Carolina's offensive line (looked like a blown assignment) and sacks Trubisky. Stanford recovers the onside kick, game over.

[TruBlu]

What a heartbreaker for unc!!

(Snicker, snicker)

GTHC!

[OldPhiKap]

Is a UNC loss REALLY a loss for the ACC? I bet almost everyone is glad to see those cheating apshats take a tough loss.

[Indoor66]

Is a UNC loser REALLY a loss for the ACC? I bet almost everyone is glad to see those cheating apshats take a tough loss.

Could not happen to a more deserving, cheating crowd of scumbags. :cool:

[JasonEvans]

Wow, what a bananas ending. Carolina has two guys drop passes in the end zone before finally scoring on a broken play, as a scrambling Trubisky finds Bug Howard (who had one of the earlier drops) in the end zone. Then on the two-point conversion attempt, Solomon Thomas busts through Carolina's offensive line (looked like a blown assignment) and sacks Trubisky. Stanford recovers the onside kick, game over.

Solomon Thomas has run roughshod over the Carolina offensive line all game long... and they let him run untouched to the QB on the deciding play. You'd think the most critical thing they would say in the huddle is, "Hey, that guy who has been killing us, who is going to block him?" Heck, I'd have doubled him!

Wow, that was almost a "to the pain" kind of loss.

Love it!

-Jason "go big trees!" Evans

[moonpie23]

heels looked good.

[BD80]

Wow, what a bananas ending. Carolina has two guys drop passes in the end zone before finally scoring on a broken play, as a scrambling Trubisky finds Bug Howard (who had one of the earlier drops) in the end zone. Then on the two-point conversion attempt, Solomon Thomas busts through Carolina's offensive line (looked like a blown assignment) and sacks Trubisky. Stanford recovers the onside kick, game over.

And this could be their last postseason appearance for years ...

and years ...

and years ...

At the heels will have something to remember

[Indoor66]

And this could be their last postseason appearance for years ...

and years ...

and years ...

At the heels will have something to remember

You failed to add: and years ... and years ... and years ... and years ... and years ....

[devildeac]

Is a UNC loss REALLY a loss for the ACC? I bet almost everyone is glad to see those cheating apshats take a tough loss.

Every c*rolina loss is a win for me. I'd have preferred a 49-0 Stanford win, but I'll take a crushing, last second/minute loss for those bastards any time, too.

Kris Jenkins is still my hero.

[ipatent]

It'll be interesting to how Michigan responds tonight to being left out of the playoffs, will they be indifferent or make a statement?

[AustinDevil]

Every c*rolina loss is a win for me. I'd have preferred a 49-0 Stanford win, but I'll take a crushing, last second/minute loss for those bastards any time, too.

Kris Jenkins is still my hero.

I beg to differ! A Carolina loss where they trail closely most of the game, have sure-handed receivers drop tantalizingly easy TD passes, then break through at the very last second only to fail miserably on the 2 pt conversion is the bestest script one could write! There are no sweet Cheater tears when they lose by 40. They just start CORFing instead.

[Indoor66]

I beg to differ! A Carolina loss where they trail closely most of the game, have sure-handed receivers drop tantalizingly easy TD passes, then break through at the very last second only to fail miserably on the 2 pt conversion is the bestest script one could write! There are no sweet Cheater tears when they lose by 40. They just start CORFing instead.

Yeah, that ranks right up there with the Villanova shot and the last second Duke shots. Rip their hearts out!

[Tom B.]

Yeah, that ranks right up there with the Villanova shot and the last second Duke shots. Rip their hearts out!

A lot like the Villanova loss, actually. Carolina was down late, but the opponent couldn't quite ice it and left just enough time for Carolina to rally and have hope, only to see their dreams of a miracle comeback win in OT crushed at the very end of regulation.

Obviously a lot more at stake in the Villanova game, though.

[Bob Green]

Breaking news: Jabrill Peppers will not play for Michigan tonight due to a hamstring injury.

[BD80]

Breaking news: Jabrill Peppers will not play for Michigan tonight due to a hamstring injury.

I think you mean a "hamstring injury."

[devildeac]

I beg to differ! A Carolina loss where they trail closely most of the game, have sure-handed receivers drop tantalizingly easy TD passes, then break through at the very last second only to fail miserably on the 2 pt conversion is the bestest script one could write! There are no sweet Cheater tears when they lose by 40. They just start CORFing instead.


Yeah, that ranks right up there with the Villanova shot and the last second Duke shots. Rip their hearts out!


A lot like the Villanova loss, actually. Carolina was down late, but the opponent couldn't quite ice it and left just enough time for Carolina to rally and have hope, only to see their dreams of a miracle comeback win in OT crushed at the very end of regulation.

Obviously a lot more at stake in the Villanova game, though.

I'll take either. An excruciating last second loss or an absolute, crushing, wood-shedding, embarrassing, humiliating destruction where they weren't even competitive after the first inning/half/quarter.

[ipatent]

FSU over Michigan, pretty good win for the ACC.

[OldPhiKap]

I'll take either. An excruciating last second loss or an absolute, crushing, wood-shedding, embarrassing, humiliating destruction where they weren't even competitive after the first inning/half/quarter.

I remember the first cruise I took with MrsPK, she could not decide between the lobster or the steak. The waiter's response -- why not have both?

As long as the Heels lose, I don't care. Either. Both. Whatever.

Burn in Hell, cheating scumbags.

[YmoBeThere]

FSU over Michigan, pretty good win for the ACC.

I went to bed at the half. Glad to see that they made an interesting game of it.

[PackMan97]

I'll take either. An excruciating last second loss or an absolute, crushing, wood-shedding, embarrassing, humiliating destruction where they weren't even competitive after the first inning/half/quarter.

I'm a beat them by 128 kinda guy. I want them to lose so badly they are left thinking, "We sold our academic soul for this? At least in the SEC they win titles, and we can't even keep it respectable?". I want them to lose so badly they look at their own program as a joke. I want them to lose so badly that Cumberland College and George Tech both say, "Now THAT was a beat down for the ages".

[OldPhiKap]

I'm a beat them by 128 kinda guy. I want them to lose so badly they are left thinking, "We sold our academic soul for this? At least in the SEC they win titles, and we can't even keep it respectable?". I want them to lose so badly they look at their own program as a joke. I want them to lose so badly that Cumberland College and George Tech both say, "Now THAT was a beat down for the ages".

As always, I like how my Wolfpack brother thinks.

[jv001]

82-50 sounds about right. :cool: GoDuke!

[moonpie23]

82-50 sounds about right. :cool: GoDuke!

82-50 ALWAYS sounds right.......the only purchased TV show in my itunes....

[Bob Green]

TaxSlayer (Gator) Bowl just kicked off. Georgia Tech vs Kentucky. An opportunity for the ACC to get another win over the SEC.

[Bob Green]

ACC is 7-3 now as Georgia Tech beat Kentucky and Louisville lost to LSU.

[ipatent]

ACC is 7-3 now as Georgia Tech beat Kentucky and Louisville lost to LSU.

No way LSU is not a top 10 team, and when all is said and done they may have had the best shot at Alabama.

[OldPhiKap]

Alabama is not bad.

[Bob Green]

Alabama is not bad.

Yeah they beat Washington rather easily and didn't play their best game.

[Indoor66]

Yeah they beat Washington rather easily and didn't play their best game.

West Coast almost anything....😎

[brevity]

I'm picking up dinner takeout and the bar is showing the ESPN Command Center version of the Ohio State-Clemson semifinal game. Split screen insanity! There's live coverage, replay/closeup, Urban-cam, Dabo-cam, stats, ticker, and thermal camera surveillance of Grayson at home.

Ooh, now he's really red. Waiting for Brian Windhorst to show up and update us on the Heat Index.

[Bob Green]

Clemson looking good up 17-0 at the half. The Tigers D-Line is dominating the line of scrimmage.

[ipatent]

Clemson looking good up 17-0 at the half. The Tigers D-Line is dominating the line of scrimmage.

I guess they showed up to play. Wasn't sure how they'd do this year in the playoffs with all the close games against the likes of NC State and Pitt.

The Big Ten's finest haven't shown very well so far.

[arnie]

I guess they showed up to play. Wasn't sure how they'd do this year in the playoffs with all the close games against the likes of NC State and Pitt.

The Big Ten's finest haven't shown very well so far.

Not so sure Big Ten has any "finest". 3 ranked Big Ten teams play tomorrow against so-so competition. They better avoid a sweep, or the ridicule will be intense.

[Bob Green]

Ohio State proved through their performance on the field they did not belong in the CFP. The selection committee needs to pay attention and understand conference championships are important.

[moonpie23]

Ohio State proved through their performance on the field they did not belong in the CFP. The selection committee needs to pay attention and understand conference championships are important.

i agree, but i think clemson is the 2nd best team in the nation and would have done similar to anyone on the other side of the ball other than bama....

[ipatent]

Ohio State proved through their performance on the field they did not belong in the CFP. The selection committee needs to pay attention and understand conference championships are important.

It was just one game. Who was more deserving? Michigan lost its bowl as well and they had a better argument than Penn State.

I'm surprised Urban Meyer didn't throw a few more deep ones early, they let Clemson get pretty comfortable crowding the line of scrimmage.

[YmoBeThere]

Better argument than conference champion?

[Wander]

Ohio State proved through their performance on the field they did not belong in the CFP. The selection committee needs to pay attention and understand conference championships are important.

That's shortsighted. To find a perfect example you have to go all the way back to.... last year. Big Ten Champion Michigan State made it to the playoffs and got crushed by an even worse margin than the game last night, while a highly ranked non-champion Ohio State had a really good win in the Fiesta Bowl. Does that example last year prove that we should ignore conference championships?

[Indoor66]

That's shortsighted. To find a perfect example you have to go all the way back to... last year. Big Ten Champion Michigan State made it to the playoffs and got crushed by an even worse margin than the game last night, while a highly ranked non-champion Ohio State had a really good win in the Fiesta Bowl. Does that example last year prove that we should ignore conference championships?

NO, but maybe it does illustrate that the Big 10, or whatever, is highly overrated.

[Bob Green]

That's shortsighted.

You're correct. But it seemed appropriate at 10:36 last night.

[Olympic Fan]

Just crunching some numbers:

As we know, the ACC is 8-3 in bowls this season ... 7-3 against power five opponents (Wake's win over Temple is the only exception)

More impressively, the ACC is 3-1 against both the Big Ten and the SEC.

For the year, the ACC is 9-4 vs. the SEC and 6-2 vs. the overrated Big Ten.

And it's not just this year -- since 2013, the ACC is 22-15 against the SEC ... and 14-12 against the Big Ten.

Overall, the ACC"s non-conference record is 49-17. That's the most non-conference wins in conference history (of course, 2013 was the first year with 15 members).

Interesting fact -- if Clemson beats Alabama in the title game, the ACC will finish 50-17 outside the league -- and that's the best winning PERCENTAGE against OOC foes. If Bama wins, the ACC will finish 49-18, which is only the second best win percentage (46-16 in 2013).

This is also the third time in four years that an ACC team has played for the championship:

2013 -- FSU d. Auburn for the title
2014 -- FSU lost in the semifinals
2015 -- Clemson lost to Alabama in the title game
2016 -- Clemson vs. Alabama in the title game

[arnie]

NO, but maybe it does illustrate that the Big 10, or whatever, is highly overrated.

No doubt the Big Whatever is; and has been for decades, highly overrated. The championship win by Ohio State several years ago slowed the detractors, but the slide in their year end results has been obvious. And to think, if Clemson and/or Washington had slipped up in conference championships, at least 2 of the pretenders make it to the playoff.

[OldPhiKap]

I am still chuckling at the fact that Florida has a player named Chauncey Gardner. But his two second-half picks and runs were impressive.

[devildeac]

I am still chuckling at the fact that Florida has a player named Chauncey Gardner. But his two second-half picks and runs were impressive.

I like to watch.

Shirley you jest.

[OldPhiKap]

I like to watch.

Shirley you jest.

Careful. This is a very small room.

[Bob Green]

Excellent 1st half in the Rose Bowl. USC looked like the better team early with Penn State coming on strong as the half progressed. USC 27, Penn State 21. I'm looking forward to the 2nd half.

Western Michigan competed hard earlier today in the Cotton Bowl but Wisconsin was the better team.

[Bob Green]

Penn State has run three plays from scrimmage in the 2nd half with all three resulting in touchdowns. Penn State 42, USC 27. Lots of football left to play.

[arnie]

Penn State has run three plays from scrimmage in the 2nd half with all three resulting in touchdowns. Penn State 42, USC 27. Lots of football left to play.

Fun game - 49-42 psu and USC has ball in 4th q.

[arnie]

Fun game - 49-42 psu and USC has ball in 4th q.

Great ending unless you're a BIG apologist.

[ipatent]

So what's the Big Ten's bowl record this year? Not very good considering they had a chance at three playoff teams heading into the conference championship games.

[Wander]

I don't know what the Big 10 did to you guys to make you so annoyed with them (are you really that sad about losing Maryland?), but they are still the 2nd best football conference in the country this year, even considering the bowl losses. After the ACC, of course.

[heyman25]

Jack Sears ex Duke recruit will have a harder time cracking the starting lineup with USC. They have a better offensive line than Duke. Sam Darnold is a little better than Daniel Jones. Great ending for this year's Rose Bowl.

[CrazyNotCrazie]

Jack Sears ex Duke recruit will have a harder time cracking the starting lineup with USC. They have a better offensive line than Duke. Sam Darnold is a little better than Daniel Jones. Great ending for this year's Rose Bowl.

If Darnold keeps this up he will be gone after next year - he will be a pre-season Heisman favorite. Jones is not going anywhere. That was an incredible game.

[arnie]

I don't know what the Big 10 did to you guys to make you so annoyed with them (are you really that sad about losing Maryland?), but they are still the 2nd best football conference in the country this year, even considering the bowl losses. After the ACC, of course.

For me the contempt is easy to summarize- arrogance and consistently overrated.

Not a lot of high caliber OOC games to challenge them; therefore, bowl games carry a lot of weight. It may surprise you, but since 1980 their bowl record against the SEC is 42-72. That's a huge collection of data to distinguish between conferences. I don't have energy to check total bowl record in last 10 years, but it's not good.

They fought the idea of any championship for decades to preserve importance of Rose Bowl and avoid big games against southern teams. Delaney and others knew they needed to hide their mediocrity. And even this year, if Clemson or Washington had lost in conference championships, BIG gets 2 of 4 in playoff.

The Maryland question is weird to me; I'd actually forgotten they were a member.

[arnie]

For me the contempt is easy to summarize- arrogance and consistently overrated.

Not a lot of high caliber OOC games to challenge them; therefore, bowl games carry a lot of weight. It may surprise you, but since 1980 their bowl record against the SEC is 42-72. That's a huge collection of data to distinguish between conferences. I don't have energy to check total bowl record in last 10 years, but it's not good.

They fought the idea of any championship for decades to preserve importance of Rose Bowl and avoid big games against southern teams. Delaney and others knew they needed to hide their mediocrity. And even this year, if Clemson or Washington had lost in conference championships, BIG gets 2 of 4 in playoff.

The Maryland question is weird to me; I'd actually forgotten they were a member.

I reviewed all Big 10 bowl scores since 2000: unless I missed one or two, the BIG record appears to be 53-79 in all bowl games. I didn't cherry pick the timeframe-their record has been consistently substandard for a very long time. And yet, most commentators don't seem remotely aware of any of this.

I think if ACC had similar record in NCAA bball tourney, we'd be ridiculed constantly.

[ipatent]

If proximity to talent counted for anything, Maryland and Rutgers should dominate the Big 10.

[mr. synellinden]

If Darnold keeps this up he will be gone after next year - he will be a pre-season Heisman favorite. Jones is not going anywhere. That was an incredible game.

Yes, Darnold is the real deal. He's quite a talent but what impresses me the most are the things that are generally described as intangibles. He is quite poised and confident for such a young QB. You can see it in his body language and the way he moves around the pocket. It's almost like he sees things in slow motion. Down 7, 90 seconds to go and he takes his team down for a score in 40 seconds. 10 for 10 in the 4th quarter. And I love the way he leads his team - both by his play and interactions with his teammates. He's a joy to watch play the QB position.

[AustinDevil]

I don't know what the Big 10 did to you guys to make you so annoyed with them (are you really that sad about losing Maryland?), but they are still the 2nd best football conference in the country this year, even considering the bowl losses. After the ACC, of course.

I agree with those who've already responded with comments about the Big Can't Count's arrogance, never mind Penn State's uniquely shameful history. But I expect I am not alone in taking much more joy in the SEC's mediocre 6-6 bowl year, including 1-3 against the ACC (which is currently 8-3), 0-1 against the American, and oh-so-close to 0-1 against a he MAC.

[elvis14]

I agree with those who've already responded with comments about the Big Can't Count's arrogance, never mind Penn State's uniquely shameful history. But I expect I am not alone in taking much more joy in the SEC's mediocre 6-6 bowl year, including 1-3 against the ACC (which is currently 8-3), 0-1 against the American, and oh-so-close to 0-1 against a he MAC.

As an ACC fan and a Clemson alum I am very happy to see the ACC at 8-3, Clemson crush 0hi0 State (that '0' on their cap isn't the letter O is the number of points they scored), the BIG_can't_count 'under perform' (for those that believe they are better than they really are) and, yes, I'm thrilled to see the mighty SEC be mediocre. Now if Clemson could just manage one more win....

[Wander]

I agree with those who've already responded with comments about the Big Can't Count's arrogance, never mind Penn State's uniquely shameful history.

Hey, you're talking to someone who thinks Penn State should have been given the death penalty for at least a year. I also think the bowl system is the most corrupt and dumbest system in all of American sports, which the Big 10 is probably the most guilty of upholding.

But I'm just talking about how good they are this year, not over the past 20 years or how likeable the conference is. I just think people always go overboard in exaggerating conference strength in both directions; it seems people think every conference other than the single best conference sucks and is overrated. Do people here all of a sudden think the Big 12 is better than the Big 10 because of Ohio State's loss? It seems to me the Big 10 is still the 2nd best conference out of 10.

[sagegrouse]

Hey, you're talking to someone who thinks Penn State should have been given the death penalty for at least a year. I also think the bowl system is the most corrupt and dumbest system in all of American sports, which the Big 10 is probably the most guilty of upholding.


I would give credit to the "bowl system" to the city fathers of Pasadena, California, which seized an opportunity in 1902 and made it an annual occurrence in 1916. I do have concerns about corruption in the financial structure of certain host city committees, but I am willing to assume that the sponsoring companies now impose certain accounting standards. I have never heard that the bowls are corrupt from the standpoint of the participants (side payments and kickbacks, e.g.), but who knows?

I think the most unusual feature is its very strangeness -- 41 end-of-season games, mostly occurring on a seemingly ad hoc basis (i.e., not part of a true tournament). We would usually say something like "distinctly American events," but I still say it's odd.

Clearly, tourist destinations were the earliest bowls -- Rose (1902, 1916), Orange (1935) and Sugar (1936). There were also two Texas bowls Sun (El Paso, 1935) and Cotton (1937). I suspect the latter was to find a bowl venue for the Southwest Conference champion.

[Olympic Fan]

Good story up on ESPN (By Andrea Adelson) talking about the ACC's bowl dominance:

http://www.espn.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/97771/all-hail-the-acc-the-new-king-of-bowl-season

She includes the bowl records for the P5 conferences:

ACC 8-3
Big 12 4-2
SEC 6-6
Pac 12 6-6
Big Ten 3-7

[SoCalDukeFan]

While as a husband of a USC alum I loved the outcome of the game, the officiating in my opinion left a lot to be desired.
It was an ACC crew. Was that a typical game for ACC officials.

Thanks
SoCal

[DU82]

While as a husband of a USC alum I loved the outcome of the game, the officiating in my opinion left a lot to be desired.
It was an ACC crew. Was that a typical game for ACC officials.

Thanks
SoCal

Did they allow an eight-lateral kickoff return to count even missing a knee down on replay? If not, then it was better than average.

[Tom B.]

Did they allow an eight-lateral kickoff return to count even missing a knee down on replay and at least two penalties? If not, then it was better than average.

FIFY.

[devildeac]

Did they allow an eight-lateral kickoff return (while ignoring multiple blocks in the back) to count even missing a knee down on replay? If not, then it was better than average.

Clarification. ;)

(Oh, snap, I see Tom B. beat me to it but I'm leaving my post anyway :o.)

[AustinDevil]

Clearly, tourist destinations were the earliest bowls -- Rose (1902, 1916), Orange (1935) and Sugar (1936). There were also two Texas bowls Sun (El Paso, 1935) and Cotton (1937). I suspect the latter was to find a bowl venue for the Southwest Conference champion.

The Cotton Bowl started because a rich oilman from Dallas, Curtis Sanford, went to the 1936 SMU-Stanford Rose Bowl and thought, "why not have a bowl game in Dallas, too?" (The Orange and Sugar bowls starting the prior two years probably influenced his optimism also.)

He self-funded it for four years and only later did it become the automatic home of the SWC champion. One or two early Cotton Bowls didn't feature an SWC team at all.

PS The obvious answer to the "why not?" question is the difference between the worst possible winter weather in Pasadena (still quite mild) versus the subzero ice storms that can occur in Dallas. Surely it has to be the case that the worst "Rose Bowl" weather ever was in 1942, but I'm not going to look up the meteorological data...