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NYBri
12-22-2016, 02:56 PM
With all the suspension talk and a 10 day layoff, it's a good time to announce a diversion.

Last year for about half the season, Jason set up an ACC Basketball Games only wager contest where we had 5000 units to place on ACC games and we could pick the winner against the spread and against the over/under on points scored.

Jason has, once again, set this up for the entire upcoming ACC season, which begins on Saturday, December 31st.

To play:


We are using Covers.com. GO HERE and register (http://www.covers.com/index.aspx) to create an account using your DBR handle (it takes about a minute). Then GO TO THE DBR POOL PAGE (http://contests.covers.com/OfficePools/7311b6f9-d8f1-463f-9999-a6e30117d226) and click on "make picks" in the nav bar and then use the password, "DukeBets" and you're ready to go.

The rules:


You begin with 0 and can run up to a -5000 hole, at which point you will have to drop out. You can wager 100-500 units per bet and you can wager against the spread or the over/under, just like last year. The person with the largest pot at the end of the year will be the winner and gain bragging rights and our praise and admiration (or perhaps some other lame award we can think of before the end of the season).

Since Covers.com is a pool web site, you will be afforded on the site the ability to wager in non-conference games. THIS IS NOT ALLOWED FOR THIS CONTEST. WAGER ON ACC GAMES ONLY!
If you bet on a game that does not feature 2 ACC teams there will be a penalty. You will lose your wager plus you will be assessed a 500 unit penalty.

Jason, am I missing anything?

* Disclaimer: There is no money being wagered and the term units refers only to hypothetical dollars. None of us has that kind of real dollars to bet on basketball games.

JasonEvans
12-25-2016, 09:50 AM
Bumping this for folks who may have missed it with all the news last week. It is worth noting that even if you miss the start of ACC season, you can still join the wagering contest whenever you want. In fact, a decent argument could be made for not betting at all early in the ACC to get a better sense of who is actually good and who actually stinks.

-Jason "I wonder if the site we are using takes out a vig? If it does, break even would be an accomplishment" Evans

Troublemaker
12-27-2016, 09:36 AM
Bump!

Only 5 degenerate gamblers have signed up so far? I thought DBR was full of degenerates.

NYBri
12-27-2016, 01:16 PM
You have until Saturday to sign up in order to wager on the VT game...and the first full slate of ACC opening games.

Only 7 degenerates are playing so far.

OldPhiKap
12-27-2016, 01:18 PM
You have until Monday to sign up in order to wager on the VT game...and the first full slate of ACC opening games.

Only 7 degenerates are playing so far.

Isn't the VT game Saturday? I'll be laying down a cool 5k on the winner by Monday.

JasonEvans
12-27-2016, 01:20 PM
Bump!

Only 5 degenerate gamblers have signed up so far? I thought DBR was full of degenerates.

I'm convinced that once we begin betting and talking about our results here we will have plenty of other folks who join in.

If not, I will merely have to be satisfied by crushing the 6 of you who have so far elected to submit to my dominance ;)

NYBri
12-27-2016, 01:23 PM
Isn't the VT game Saturday? I'll be laying down a cool 5k on the winner by Monday.

Saturday. My Bad!!!

Indoor66
12-27-2016, 07:31 PM
I could never understand the fascination on this board for kissing ones sister. 💏😕😎

OldPhiKap
12-27-2016, 07:37 PM
I could never understand the fascination on this board for kissing ones sister. 💏😕😎

Depends on who the One is, I reckon.

NYBri
12-28-2016, 09:38 AM
Dipping my toe in the water. Taking L'ville, giving the points for 100 units.

JasonEvans
12-28-2016, 09:39 AM
I like both favorites today. Louisville and FSU. At first I did 200 units on each but just switched it to 300 units. I'm hoping to get at least one right ;)

Dr. Rosenrosen
12-28-2016, 11:18 AM
Okay, I'm in. Nothing like finding another reason to angrily watch games that are otherwise of zero consequence to me.

jhmoss1812
12-28-2016, 11:51 AM
Are we not allowed to bet on the spread AND over/under for ACC games? I want to make sure because I currently have bets on the spread and O/U for the UVA-UL and FSU-Wake games for a total of 4 separate wagers.

JasonEvans
12-28-2016, 12:40 PM
Are we not allowed to bet on the spread AND over/under for ACC games? I want to make sure because I currently have bets on the spread and O/U for the UVA-UL and FSU-Wake games for a total of 4 separate wagers.

Yup.

jhmoss1812
12-28-2016, 12:44 PM
Yup.

So I need to delete 2 of my picks?

Apparently, they don't have a way to edit or delete picks once they've been made.

It's also weird that you can see other people's wagers prior to tipoff

Edouble
12-28-2016, 02:16 PM
Can someone help me with making picks?

I can't figure out how this site works. I have joined the group, and I am on the Make Picks page. I can click on the Sides or the Totals buttons for the games, which highlights them from white to orange, but that's as far as I have gotten.

How do I select how many units I want to bet and then submit the pick???

Please help! Thanks!

Troublemaker
12-28-2016, 02:16 PM
So I need to delete 2 of my picks?

Apparently, they don't have a way to edit or delete picks once they've been made.

It's also weird that you can see other people's wagers prior to tipoff

I think Jason is saying you CAN bet on both spread and O/U since that's how he set up the competition, and like you said, there doesn't appear to be a function to delete picks anyway.

I kinda like being able to see people's picks beforehand just to see who was able to grab good numbers. For example, I'm very jealous of Mountain Devil locking in UVA +4.5. I only got your Hoos at +3.

Troublemaker
12-28-2016, 02:18 PM
Can someone help me with making picks?

I can't figure out how this site works. I have joined the group, and I am on the Make Picks page. I can click on the Sides or the Totals buttons for the games, which highlights them from white to orange, but that's as far as I have gotten.

How do I select how many units I want to bet and then submit the pick???

Please help! Thanks!

Once you've done the bolded, it activates a panel on the right side of the page where you can select the units and submit the bet.

http://i.imgur.com/nwxFiYN.png

Edouble
12-28-2016, 02:23 PM
Once you've done the bolded, it activates a panel on the right side of the page where you can select the units and submit the bet.

My Contest Bet Card! Thanks so much!

"You must spread some Comments around before commenting on Troublemaker again." Damn!

Troublemaker
12-28-2016, 02:40 PM
-Jason "I wonder if the site we are using takes out a vig? If it does, break even would be an accomplishment" Evans

I took a peek at other pools, and it DOES appear that Covers takes out a vig.

So, if you bet 100 units and you lose your bet, 110 units will be deducted from your account. If you bet 200 units and lose, 220 units will be deducted. It's always 10%.

So don't be alarmed when that happens, everyone. And like Jason said, that makes it more like a real sportsbook where breaking even is a decent accomplishment. It's not just about making winning bets; you have to win at a high enough percentage to beat the vig (which is the house advantage).

Hingeknocker
12-28-2016, 04:21 PM
I took a peek at other pools, and it DOES appear that Covers takes out a vig.

So, if you bet 100 units and you lose your bet, 110 units will be deducted from your account. If you bet 200 units and lose, 220 units will be deducted. It's always 10%.

So don't be alarmed when that happens, everyone. And like Jason said, that makes it more like a real sportsbook where breaking even is a decent accomplishment. It's not just about making winning bets; you have to win at a high enough percentage to beat the vig (which is the house advantage).

Oof. This should serve as a great experiment to confirm that I should never, ever, take up sports gambling as even a part-time hobby.

Looking forward to this!

DukeTrinity11
12-28-2016, 06:10 PM
I just submitted my wager card, lets go Monmouth and Louisville!!

Dr. Rosenrosen
12-28-2016, 06:25 PM
I just submitted my wager card, lets go Monmouth and Louisville!!
You can only bet on ACC v ACC. Not ACC non-conf games.

Krzyzewskiville33
12-28-2016, 06:54 PM
Thanks for setting this up again, I really enjoyed it last year. Gives me a reason to watch those terrible Boston College-GT kind of games!

Edouble
12-28-2016, 06:57 PM
The rules:


You begin with 0 and can run up to a -5000 hole, at which point you will have to drop out. You can wager 100-500 units per bet and you can wager against the spread or the over/under, just like last year. The person with the largest pot at the end of the year will be the winner and gain bragging rights and our praise and admiration (or perhaps some other lame award we can think of before the end of the season).

Since Covers.com is a pool web site, you will be afforded on the site the ability to wager in non-conference games. THIS IS NOT ALLOWED FOR THIS CONTEST. WAGER ON ACC GAMES ONLY!
If you bet on a game that does not feature 2 ACC teams there will be a penalty. You will lose your wager plus you will be assessed a 500 unit penalty.



I just submitted my wager card, lets go 500 Unit Penalty and Louisville!!

FIFY

Hingeknocker
12-29-2016, 09:19 AM
Oof. This should serve as a great experiment to confirm that I should never, ever, take up sports gambling as even a part-time hobby.

Looking forward to this!

Update: Went 2-0 on my first two bets, am now looking into plane tickets to Vegas!

JasonEvans
12-29-2016, 10:31 AM
So, DukeTrinity11 made 4 illegal bets last night. He actually won 3 of them, which makes this even more complicated. If we abide by the rules laid out QUITE CLEARLY in this thread then he losses 2700 units (700 for the wagers he won + 4x500 for the improper bets).

But, I am not sure how to make that happen. I don't see any method for altering the point totals of other members of the pool. Heck, I can't even alter my own point total.

Here is what I am going to do. I am going to ask DukeTrinity11 to make a series of wagers on any game(s) he wants that reduce his point total by 770 (the 700 he won plus the 10% vig). I am not going to penalize him the 2000 units. I truly believe he did not read the rules so I am only going to say those 3 games he won were actually losses. It may take multiple wagers to accumulate the 770 in losses, any game he wins would have to be re-bet to turn it into a loss. But, eventually, I am sure he can make enough bad bets to accumulate the losses.

I hope all will agree that is a fair solution.

-Jason "the rules were simple... it is on you if you violate them" Evans

NYBri
12-29-2016, 12:57 PM
So, DukeTrinity11 made 4 illegal bets last night. He actually won 3 of them, which makes this even more complicated. If we abide by the rules laid out QUITE CLEARLY in this thread then he losses 2700 units (700 for the wagers he won + 4x500 for the improper bets).

But, I am not sure how to make that happen. I don't see any method for altering the point totals of other members of the pool. Heck, I can't even alter my own point total.

Here is what I am going to do. I am going to ask DukeTrinity11 to make a series of wagers on any game(s) he wants that reduce his point total by 770 (the 700 he won plus the 10% vig). I am not going to penalize him the 2000 units. I truly believe he did not read the rules so I am only going to say those 3 games he won were actually losses. It may take multiple wagers to accumulate the 770 in losses, any game he wins would have to be re-bet to turn it into a loss. But, eventually, I am sure he can make enough bad bets to accumulate the losses.

I hope all will agree that is a fair solution.

-Jason "the rules were simple... it is on you if you violate them" Evans

If he just bets the way I bet, he will lose money very quickly...as I lost my first bet.

jhmoss1812
12-29-2016, 01:07 PM
Update: Went 2-0 on my first two bets, am now looking into plane tickets to Vegas!

I am currently in Vegas and went 4-0 yesterday with my first four bets. But I didn't actually make a real bet lol.

DukeTrinity11
12-29-2016, 01:33 PM
So, DukeTrinity11 made 4 illegal bets last night. He actually won 3 of them, which makes this even more complicated. If we abide by the rules laid out QUITE CLEARLY in this thread then he losses 2700 units (700 for the wagers he won + 4x500 for the improper bets).

But, I am not sure how to make that happen. I don't see any method for altering the point totals of other members of the pool. Heck, I can't even alter my own point total.

Here is what I am going to do. I am going to ask DukeTrinity11 to make a series of wagers on any game(s) he wants that reduce his point total by 770 (the 700 he won plus the 10% vig). I am not going to penalize him the 2000 units. I truly believe he did not read the rules so I am only going to say those 3 games he won were actually losses. It may take multiple wagers to accumulate the 770 in losses, any game he wins would have to be re-bet to turn it into a loss. But, eventually, I am sure he can make enough bad bets to accumulate the losses.

I hope all will agree that is a fair solution.

-Jason "the rules were simple... it is on you if you violate them" Evans
Completely understood and I just placed what I hope are losing bets, thanks for not assessing me the 2000 unit penalty. I"ll make sure to avoid that mistake going forward.

ChillinDuke
12-29-2016, 01:49 PM
You have until Saturday to sign up in order to wager on the VT game...and the first full slate of ACC opening games.

Only 7 degenerates are playing so far.

This degenerate is in.

- Chillin

NYBri
12-29-2016, 02:11 PM
16 degenerates are now playing!

Edouble
12-29-2016, 02:20 PM
I think Jason is saying you CAN bet on both spread and O/U since that's how he set up the competition, and like you said, there doesn't appear to be a function to delete picks anyway.

I kinda like being able to see people's picks beforehand just to see who was able to grab good numbers. For example, I'm very jealous of Mountain Devil locking in UVA +4.5. I only got your Hoos at +3.

OK, so I am asking for help again.

Is there some way to pick games in advance? Like, I am ready to lay down some coin (units) for Saturday's games, but all that I see on the Make Picks page are Thursday's games. While I know it is an advantage (mostly) to wait until game time to make your picks, in case someone gets sick or breaks a leg or something, does this mean that I have to make all my Saturday wagers on Saturday morning before the Duke game at noon? I'd rather go ahead and submit this evening at some point for the Saturday afternoon games.

JasonEvans
12-29-2016, 02:24 PM
OK, so I am asking for help again.

Is there some way to pick games in advance? Like, I am ready to lay down some coin (units) for Saturday's games, but all that I see on the Make Picks page are Thursday's games. While I know it is an advantage (mostly) to wait until game time to make your picks, in case someone gets sick or breaks a leg or something, does this mean that I have to make all my Saturday wagers on Saturday morning before the Duke game at noon? I'd rather go ahead and submit this evening at some point for the Saturday afternoon games.

Vegas does not typically publish lines on college basketball games until the day of the game, sometimes the night before. If you were standing in a casino right now, they probably would not have the Duke-Va Tech line available for you to bet upon. My bet is that if you want to hop on noon games, you will have to get up that morning and make picks. But, we will all learn as the season moves along. Covers might publish the next day's lines starting at 11pm or midnight or something like that.

-Jason "so far, I am really liking this site... total functionality is weak, but the ability to see how everyone is doing is pretty nice and a strong improvement over my google sheets solution last year" Evans

bbq-devil
12-29-2016, 02:52 PM
Vegas does not typically publish lines on college basketball games until the day of the game, sometimes the night before. If you were standing in a casino right now, they probably would not have the Duke-Va Tech line available for you to bet upon. My bet is that if you want to hop on noon games, you will have to get up that morning and make picks. But, we will all learn as the season moves along. Covers might publish the next day's lines starting at 11pm or midnight or something like that.

-Jason "so far, I am really liking this site... total functionality is weak, but the ability to see how everyone is doing is pretty nice and a strong improvement over my google sheets solution last year" Evans

Count me in as degenerate #17.

Edouble
12-29-2016, 03:03 PM
Virginia 61
Louisville 53

(Over/Under 118)

Yes, I know it's Virginia, but man, I just can't believe that these two teams couldn't get it together and put up 118 points! Five points short and I'm out 220 units! Argh! I gotta come up big on Saturday.

JasonEvans
12-29-2016, 03:41 PM
Virginia 61
Louisville 53

(Over/Under 118)

Yes, I know it's Virginia, but man, I just can't believe that these two teams couldn't get it together and put up 118 points! Five points short and I'm out 220 units! Argh! I gotta come up big on Saturday.

I generally find that Vegas is really, really good at OU lines. Last night, the FSU-Wake game was 162.5 (they scored 160) and the UVA-Lou game was 118 (they scored 114). No easy wins on either of those bets.

ChillinDuke
12-29-2016, 04:59 PM
I generally find that Vegas is really, really good at OU lines. Last night, the FSU-Wake game was 162.5 (they scored 160) and the UVA-Lou game was 118 (they scored 114). No easy wins on either of those bets.

I generally find that Vegas is really, really good at all lines. They really are.

I have some theories I've tested and built upon for years now as it relates to college ball, but it's never enough to overcome the vig. But I'm still holding out hope...

I could tell you about them...

But then I'd have to kill you.

- Chillin

NYBri
12-29-2016, 08:00 PM
-Jason "so far, I am really liking this site... total functionality is weak, but the ability to see how everyone is doing is pretty nice and a strong improvement over my google sheets solution last year" Evans

Agreed. Not ideal, but an improvement.

Troublemaker
12-29-2016, 10:11 PM
Completely understood and I just placed what I hope are losing bets,

Congrats on getting square with the penalty on your first attempt (and also for being a good sport)! That's pretty impressive. I thought there was a chance you could be chasing it for awhile, and a part of me would've been very entertained by the subplot.

For everyone else, let's stick to ACC vs ACC games. You (usually) can't successfully decide to just start losing bets any more than you can decide to start winning them. Props, DukeTrinity11.

Troublemaker
12-29-2016, 10:24 PM
Is there some way to pick games in advance? Like, I am ready to lay down some coin (units) for Saturday's games, but all that I see on the Make Picks page are Thursday's games. While I know it is an advantage (mostly) to wait until game time to make your picks, in case someone gets sick or breaks a leg or something, does this mean that I have to make all my Saturday wagers on Saturday morning before the Duke game at noon? I'd rather go ahead and submit this evening at some point for the Saturday afternoon games.


Vegas does not typically publish lines on college basketball games until the day of the game, sometimes the night before.

Night before is usually a good time to check for lines. For example, right now you can see the lines for tomorrow's (Friday's) games.

This is typical for the daily or near-daily sports (baseball, basketball, hockey). It's really only football that you can bet several days in advance.

Fish80
12-29-2016, 10:39 PM
I might be degenerate 19. Can't make any picks for Friday, no ACC games. But that leaves me at break even going into Saturday.

peterjswift
12-30-2016, 09:50 AM
I appreciate that even as a latecomer, being at 0 without having placed any wagers still leaves me ahead of five of you degenerates.

It also makes me wonder if there should be a penalty for not making any wagers to prevent timid folks like myself from staying in the middle of the pack by avoiding any risk.

JasonEvans
12-30-2016, 11:43 AM
I appreciate that even as a latecomer, being at 0 without having placed any wagers still leaves me ahead of five of you degenerates.

It also makes me wonder if there should be a penalty for not making any wagers to prevent timid folks like myself from staying in the middle of the pack by avoiding any risk.

If you wish to finish in the middle of the pack by making no wagers, that is up to you. Nothing wrong with it, but I doubt anyone will be bragging about finishing 12th out of 24 players.

JasonEvans
12-30-2016, 11:46 AM
Congrats on getting square with the penalty on your first attempt (and also for being a good sport)! That's pretty impressive. I thought there was a chance you could be chasing it for awhile, and a part of me would've been very entertained by the subplot.

For everyone else, let's stick to ACC vs ACC games. You (usually) can't successfully decide to just start losing bets any more than you can decide to start winning them. Props, DukeTrinity11.

He successfully picked Butler not to cover (they lost to St John despite being an 8.5 favorite) and OleMiss to lose by more than 10 to Kentucky (they lost by 23). I actually feel awful for DukeTrinity11 as it is just as impressive to quickly lose 770 as it is to win 700! This took real skill. Despite being far back in the pack due to this penalty, I'm ready to say that DukeTrinity11 is one of the favorites to win this contest based on some impressive picking skill shown thus far.

Troublemaker
12-30-2016, 12:26 PM
He successfully picked Butler not to cover (they lost to St John despite being an 8.5 favorite) and OleMiss to lose by more than 10 to Kentucky (they lost by 23). I actually feel awful for DukeTrinity11 as it is just as impressive to quickly lose 770 as it is to win 700! This took real skill. Despite being far back in the pack due to this penalty, I'm ready to say that DukeTrinity11 is one of the favorites to win this contest based on some impressive picking skill shown thus far.

My antennae were raised when he/she coolly accepted your draconian penalty, Evans :-). Only somebody not lacking for confidence (or perhaps very degenerate) would've done so; I thought we were just going to lose a player from the contest at first.

NYBri
12-30-2016, 01:14 PM
22 DBR degenerates now playing. Can we hit 30 by tomorrow's tip off?

Sound off as you sign in to keep thread alive?

NYBri
12-30-2016, 01:16 PM
If you wish to finish in the middle of the pack by making no wagers, that is up to you. Nothing wrong with it, but I doubt anyone will be bragging about finishing 12th out of 24 players.

Sadly, I'd be pleased with that. I'm the Clemson of the pool. .500 is a successful season.

😎

sagegrouse
12-30-2016, 02:32 PM
All I see are games for Friday, December 30, and there doesn't seem to be a menu option for later dates. Surely, I don't have to place bets only on the day of the game.

Edouble
12-30-2016, 02:54 PM
All I see are games for Friday, December 30, and there doesn't seem to be a menu option for later dates. Surely, I don't have to place bets only on the day of the game.

I will direct your attention to posts 33, 34, and, 41, my fellow degenerate.

peterjswift
12-30-2016, 03:05 PM
Sadly, I'd be pleased with that. I'm the Clemson of the pool. .500 is a successful season.

😎

With my historic performance in almost anything wager related, .500 sounds great!

But I'll be making an effort to do better than the middle. I just will make sure I take a screenshot of the last time I was better than negative.

Troublemaker
12-30-2016, 08:17 PM
All I see are games for Friday, December 30, and there doesn't seem to be a menu option for later dates. Surely, I don't have to place bets only on the day of the game.


I will direct your attention to posts 33, 34, and, 41, my fellow degenerate.

The spreads for Saturday's games are up now.

OldPhiKap
12-30-2016, 09:59 PM
Only degenerates....

Hello.

NYBri
12-30-2016, 11:31 PM
Gone with Duke and mainly home teams...UVA, Wake and Miami. 18 is too rich to give in the Cheats game.

Troublemaker
12-31-2016, 10:51 AM
Man, a lot of you guys are taking Duke today. I was actually going to do some sort of "emotional hedge" / reverse-jinx by taking VaTech, but I don't even have to do that now because I'll gain on many in the contest if Duke falls short today. Of course, I'll be rooting for all of you to gain on me.

NYBri
12-31-2016, 05:00 PM
Boy, I suck as much as the team did today. Lost Duke, Wake and UVA.

Troublemaker
01-01-2017, 09:31 AM
Great Saturday for you, Jason. Now you're at the top of the heap.

Saturdays will be important days in this contest. You can really move up and down the leaderboard on Saturdays.

I like how Fish80 is only throwing out max bets ($500) right now. If he has some success, he may force the rest of us to get antsy and start max betting to keep up.

Troublemaker
01-03-2017, 01:43 PM
Bump.

Two ACC games tonight, and during the 2nd half of those two games, the lines will be released for tomorrow's batch of 5 ACC games.

Exciting stuff! (Well, if you're a degenerate.)

ChillinDuke
01-03-2017, 02:07 PM
Bump.

Two ACC games tonight, and during the 2nd half of those two games, the lines will be released for tomorrow's batch of 5 ACC games.

Exciting stuff! (Well, if you're a degenerate.)

This degenerate has finally locked one in. Final answer.

- Chillin

NYBri
01-03-2017, 04:10 PM
Smuch as I loath to say it, I'm going with the Cheats tonight. I hope Clemson will do them in, so I figure if I wager on the BabyBlues, I will lose the bet and the tigers will carry it home.

Fish80
01-03-2017, 04:55 PM
Can't believe the BC Wake spread was 15. Preposterous. Inconceivable.

rasputin
01-03-2017, 05:05 PM
Smuch as I loath to say it, I'm going with the Cheats tonight. I hope Clemson will do them in, so I figure if I wager on the BabyBlues, I will lose the bet and the tigers will carry it home.

I did the same thing. My first bet in this contest.

JasonEvans
01-03-2017, 05:13 PM
Can't believe the BC Wake spread was 15. Preposterous. Inconceivable.

I did not touch that one with a 10-foot pole. I agree the line is insane, but I cannot decide which way it is crazy. BC is wretched, but Wake is absolutely capable of laying an egg and not covering 15 points.

jhmoss1812
01-03-2017, 09:12 PM
Went 4-4 tonight for +900. Puts me at 10-0-1 on the season for a total of +1700.

Maybe I should have done more sports betting when I was in Vegas lol

Troublemaker
01-03-2017, 09:15 PM
Went 4-4 tonight for +900. Puts me at 10-0-1 on the season for a total of +1700.

Maybe I should have done more sports betting when I was in Vegas lol

Was just about to comment on this. Great night and great picking so far! I believe that puts you in the lead now, too.

Dr. Rosenrosen
01-03-2017, 09:16 PM
Amazing. Meaningless BS three pointer at end of cheater game and it's a push. If the cheats had just dribbled the ball out I would've won the bet. Which is why I never bet on basketball for real.

jhmoss1812
01-03-2017, 09:17 PM
Was just about to comment on this. Great night and great picking so far! I believe that puts you in the lead now, too.

Thanks! I can promise you that it's fools good. But I'm really loving the format of this pool.

Troublemaker
01-03-2017, 09:21 PM
Thanks! I can promise you that it's fools good. But I'm really loving the format of this pool.

Me, too. It's a big improvement on the Yahoo pools that my office uses for football season. In Yahoo, you can't lock in a point spread so if you take the Patriots -7 and they end up being -10 and win by 9, you lose even though you took them at 7.

Obviously, with the UNC/Clemson game tonight being a prime example, little differences in the point spread can matter. (Sorry, Dr. Rosenrosen. That's a bad beat!).

ChillinDuke
01-03-2017, 09:24 PM
Nothing, and I mean nothing, like an OT loss to muck up your first bet in a tourney. Or more specifically, a missed front end with 5 ticks left.

Man I hate betting.

- Chillin

Troublemaker
01-03-2017, 09:28 PM
Bump.

Two ACC games tonight, and during the 2nd half of those two games, the lines will be released for tomorrow's batch of 5 ACC games.

Exciting stuff! (Well, if you're a degenerate.)

Whoops, wrong about this. The lines should be up soon but I wish Covers had them up NOW so the folks who just got a bad beat on Clemson +2.5 or UNC -4 can go on tilt make it up by betting tomorrow's games immediately.

ChillinDuke
01-03-2017, 10:03 PM
Whoops, wrong about this. The lines should be up soon but I wish Covers had them up NOW so the folks who just got a bad beat on Clemson +2.5 or UNC -4 can go on tilt make it up by betting tomorrow's games immediately.

Thanks. Thanks for that.

- Chillin

jhmoss1812
01-04-2017, 11:54 AM
Seems very weird that no O/U's are posted for today's games.

Hingeknocker
01-04-2017, 12:11 PM
Seems very weird that no O/U's are posted for today's games.

Agreed. Vegas Insider has O/U's for all the games so not sure why covers.com is lacking them.

Riding my 4-0-0 streak to start the contest, I've got 3 bets tonight. I was surprised to see Duke at -19, so I'll take GT getting those points as I don't think we've shown an ability to cover that spread; I'll be happily surprised if we do. Also have Notre Dame getting 2 at home against Louisville - that line surprises me as well given the way Louisville lost at home over the weekend. And I think Miami will continue Syracuse's woes, getting them as 1 point favorites.

Now that I've posted about my picks, they're certain to lose. It's like the Schrodinger's Cat of gambling.

jhmoss1812
01-04-2017, 12:13 PM
Agreed. Vegas Insider has O/U's for all the games so not sure why covers.com is lacking them.

Riding my 4-0-0 streak to start the contest, I've got 3 bets tonight. I was surprised to see Duke at -19, so I'll take GT getting those points as I don't think we've shown an ability to cover that spread; I'll be happily surprised if we do. Also have Notre Dame getting 2 at home against Louisville - that line surprises me as well given the way Louisville lost at home over the weekend. And I think Miami will continue Syracuse's woes, getting them as 1 point favorites.

Now that I've posted about my picks, they're certain to lose. It's like the Schrodinger's Cat of gambling.

Well I have the same picks (albeit slightly different spreads) as you so hopefully you're on point. I also took UVA -6.5 and NCSU pickem.

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 12:29 PM
I've emailed Covers asking for the O/U lines to be put up. Agree it's weird -- usually all the lines are up by now.

JasonEvans
01-04-2017, 12:50 PM
I've emailed Covers asking for the O/U lines to be put up. Agree it's weird -- usually all the lines are up by now.

I need the O/U!! I am 4-3 picking against the spread but 6-2 on the O/U. The over/under bets are my bread and butter!

As an aside, I'm amazed at how well some of us are doing. We should go to Vegas!!

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 01:41 PM
I need the O/U!! I am 4-3 picking against the spread but 6-2 on the O/U. The over/under bets are my bread and butter!

As an aside, I'm amazed at how well some of us are doing. We should go to Vegas!!

O/U lines are up!

JasonEvans
01-04-2017, 02:04 PM
O/U lines are up!

And one of them is a mortal lock... wow. Wish I could wager more than $500 on the one I lovelovelovelove!

ChillinDuke
01-04-2017, 03:13 PM
And one of them is a mortal lock... wow. Wish I could wager more than $500 on the one I lovelovelovelove!

Jason - you know we can see your picks right? :D

- Chillin

Bob Green
01-04-2017, 03:34 PM
As an aside, I'm amazed at how well some of us are doing. We should go to Vegas!!

Not all of us should go to Vegas. For the time being, I'm very happy to be playing with Monopoly money.

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 03:39 PM
And one of them is a mortal lock... wow. Wish I could wager more than $500 on the one I lovelovelovelove!

You might as well deduct $550 from your account right now.

The L Word should never be invoked (and not just because Mia Kirshner's character was annoying... haha, I kill me).

Bob Green
01-04-2017, 03:40 PM
Is it possible to change a bet once it is placed? I made a mistake and cannot figure out how to change it. :confused:

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 03:44 PM
Is it possible to change a bet once it is placed? I made a mistake and cannot figure out how to change it. :confused:

Sorry, Bob, I'm not aware of any way to do so. The good news is you probably have a 50/50 chance to win the bet, anyway. And if what we are doing is simulating a Vegas sportsbook, those guys don't let you take back bets you've placed, either. (Now, in real life, you might bet it the other way and eat the vig, but unfortunately this simulation won't allow that. I'll root for you to win whatever bet you placed by mistake.)

Edouble
01-04-2017, 03:44 PM
I am not touching that Va Tech NCSU game with a ten foot pole. That thing could go either way.

Classic let down game after the big win for Va Tech, or do they continue to roll? And that doesn't even touch on how unpredictable the 'Pack can be.

Bob Green
01-04-2017, 03:49 PM
Sorry, Bob, I'm not aware of any way to do so.

Thanks for the confirmation. I forgot to change the amount before hitting submit so I put $500 on NCSU when I intended to bet $100. Perhaps I'll get lucky.

ChillinDuke
01-04-2017, 03:53 PM
Thanks for the confirmation. I forgot to change the amount before hitting submit so I put $500 on NCSU when I intended to bet $100. Perhaps I'll get lucky.

Bob, this is a degenerate thread.

OF COURSE YOU'LL GET LUCKY!!!

- Chillin

NYBri
01-04-2017, 04:25 PM
As an example of how lame my wagering is, I bet on the Cheats last night so that they would lose, since all my choices lose...BUT, they won by 3...a push.

So...Cheats won, but not me.

JasonEvans
01-04-2017, 05:07 PM
Jason - you know we can see your picks right? :D

- Chillin

Yeah, but you can't see which O/U I lovelovelove.

-Jason "is there any doubt? All of you are on it too, right?" Evans

BandAlum83
01-04-2017, 05:24 PM
You can only bet on ACC v ACC. Not ACC non-conf games.

Hah! Ooooooooooops!

BandAlum83
01-04-2017, 05:27 PM
So, DukeTrinity11 made 4 illegal bets last night. He actually won 3 of them, which makes this even more complicated. If we abide by the rules laid out QUITE CLEARLY in this thread then he losses 2700 units (700 for the wagers he won + 4x500 for the improper bets).

But, I am not sure how to make that happen. I don't see any method for altering the point totals of other members of the pool. Heck, I can't even alter my own point total.

Here is what I am going to do. I am going to ask DukeTrinity11 to make a series of wagers on any game(s) he wants that reduce his point total by 770 (the 700 he won plus the 10% vig). I am not going to penalize him the 2000 units. I truly believe he did not read the rules so I am only going to say those 3 games he won were actually losses. It may take multiple wagers to accumulate the 770 in losses, any game he wins would have to be re-bet to turn it into a loss. But, eventually, I am sure he can make enough bad bets to accumulate the losses.

I hope all will agree that is a fair solution.

-Jason "the rules were simple... it is on you if you violate them" Evans


I see differential equations in the future of this pool....


I feel really bad right now. I don't bet on sports, and I especially don't bet on my teams.

No money on the line here, so I went ahead and did it. I bet on Duke to not cover tonight. I have GT +18


BTW, is there a separate page for O/U? I couldn't find it.

ChillinDuke
01-04-2017, 05:43 PM
Yeah, but you can't see which O/U I lovelovelove.

-Jason "is there any doubt? All of you are on it too, right?" Evans

You mean the only one you max bet?

- Chillin

ChillinDuke
01-04-2017, 05:47 PM
<snip>


BTW, is there a separate page for O/U? I couldn't find it.

O/U's are to the right of the Line bets. If you click on "Make Picks" you'll see two columns titled "Sides" and "Totals."

Sides are your standard lines (e.g. +18, -18). Totals are over/unders.

- Chillin

BandAlum83
01-04-2017, 05:53 PM
O/U's are to the right of the Line bets. If you click on "Make Picks" you'll see two columns titled "Sides" and "Totals."

Sides are your standard lines (e.g. +18, -18). Totals are over/unders.

- Chillin

I posted my question before I read the entire thread here. The O/Us weren't up yet.

BandAlum83
01-04-2017, 06:30 PM
You might as well deduct $550 from your account right now.

The L Word should never be invoked (and not just because Mia Kirshner's character was annoying... haha, I kill me).

Grayson is starting. It may very well be a lock.

jhmoss1812
01-04-2017, 06:38 PM
Alright boys I got $2300 on the line tonight. Here's hoping my undefeated streak continues.

OldPhiKap
01-04-2017, 06:44 PM
Amazing. Meaningless BS three pointer at end of cheater game and it's a push. If the cheats had just dribbled the ball out I would've won the bet. Which is why I never bet on basketball for real.

Super Bowl Gambling Memories
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/gambling-moment/n9526

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 06:46 PM
Grayson is starting. It may very well be a lock.

Grayson's a good defender, and if Duke blows them out, might be a lot of stallball...

pfrduke
01-04-2017, 06:46 PM
For amusement, I'm going to start a "KenPom bets" entry within the pool. I'll bet according to what Pomeroy predicts, as compared to the line (e.g., Pomeroy has VT by 1 at NC State, meaning the bet will be NC State +1.5) and the over/under. 100 points on each bet and we'll see if Pomeroy outperforms the vig. As a default, when there is a push, I will bet home team and over.

ChillinDuke
01-04-2017, 07:42 PM
For amusement, I'm going to start a "KenPom bets" entry within the pool. I'll bet according to what Pomeroy predicts, as compared to the line (e.g., Pomeroy has VT by 1 at NC State, meaning the bet will be NC State +1.5) and the over/under. 100 points on each bet and we'll see if Pomeroy outperforms the vig. As a default, when there is a push, I will bet home team and over.

Great stuff, looking forward to it.

However, if KP's predictions outperformed the vig, I'll tell you one thing for certain - he wouldn't be in his current line of work.

- Chillin

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 08:47 PM
Yeah, but you can't see which O/U I lovelovelove.

-Jason "is there any doubt? All of you are on it too, right?" Evans

Great call, Jason. Despite busting your balls a bit upthread, I was rooting for you. Your over was so good it (a) overcame the lock jinx and (b) went over with like 10 minutes to spare. I highly recommend not taunting the gambling gods in the future, though.

Also, thanks for doing the kenpom entry, pfrduke.

Indoor66
01-04-2017, 08:50 PM
Didn't know that the gambling gods responded to anything except advanced analytics. 💰😁😎

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the confirmation. I forgot to change the amount before hitting submit so I put $500 on NCSU when I intended to bet $100. Perhaps I'll get lucky.


Bob, this is a degenerate thread.

OF COURSE YOU'LL GET LUCKY!!!

- Chillin

Unless this post of mine represents a 23-pt jinx with 11 minutes left, congrats on winning your big bet, Bob! NCSU is blowing away those Hokies.

Troublemaker
01-04-2017, 11:31 PM
Congrats to our new leader, Fish80!

You had been treading water while pounding max bets, and it was just a matter of time before you went way up or way down. 10 max bets tonight (5 spread, 5 O/U) and you went 7-3, putting you at the top of the heap.

I wonder if anything changes from here -- whether you'll bet differently on Saturday, or if the league will notice your success and attempt to follow suit.

We'll see!

BandAlum83
01-05-2017, 12:29 AM
I'm on the board! +140!

du_bb1
01-05-2017, 07:38 AM
It is humbling to be reminded so rudely how little I know about college basketball...

Va and Miami both decayed before my eyes...

NYBri
01-05-2017, 08:24 AM
I don't think I could lose more if I tried.

And I'm the one who poked Jason to get this stupid game going. What was I thinking?

😎

Troublemaker
01-05-2017, 08:52 AM
I don't think I could lose more if I tried.

And I'm the one who poked Jason to get this stupid game going. What was I thinking?


Keep your head up, NYBri. Everyone in this contest will go through hot and cold streaks. Even though it may not feel like it right now, you just happened to start with a cold streak and you WILL have a hot streak if you keep betting.

OldPhiKap
01-05-2017, 09:05 AM
Keep your head up, NYBri. Everyone in this contest will go through hot and cold streaks. Even though it may not feel like it right now, you just happened to start with a cold streak and you WILL have a hot streak if you keep betting.

You're not Steve Wynn by any chance, are you?

;>)

atoomer0881
01-05-2017, 10:09 AM
I don't think I could lose more if I tried.

And I'm the one who poked Jason to get this stupid game going. What was I thinking?

��

Hey NYBri, I know how you feel. Nothing like starting out 0-5 against the spread on my first night betting. Perhaps next time I should wait for the O/U's to be posted before I place my bets haha. One more showing like this and I'm going to be forced to drop out in my first week of betting!!!
http://oi67.tinypic.com/281y2ad.jpg

Then again, I can't even be disappointed after watching Duke's performance last night ;-)

Edouble
01-05-2017, 10:40 AM
I'm on the board! +140!

Nice work!

I placed five bets last night and came out +20. Seems like a lot of effort for +20. :confused:

JasonEvans
01-05-2017, 11:47 AM
Great call, Jason. Despite busting your balls a bit upthread, I was rooting for you. Your over was so good it (a) overcame the lock jinx and (b) went over with like 10 minutes to spare. I highly recommend not taunting the gambling gods in the future, though.

Yeah, Duke/Tech over 137 (or something like that) was a giant no-brainer to me. Thank goodness for that easy bet as everything else I wagered yesterday was a disaster. I was up like 1700 mid-way through the Duke game when we made the O/U and am currently down to just +240 overall. I am 7-3 on O/U bets but a miserable 4-7 against the spread. Ugh!

I will be quite impressed with anyone who can hit even 66% of their wagers over the course of a lot of bets. Doing that is really difficult and quite impressive. You could make a ton of money in Vegas with that kind of record.

-Jason "I'm actually headed to Vegas in a couple weeks to celebrate my 50th birthday... while this contest is fun, that is when I really want to go on a winning streak!" Evans

jhmoss1812
01-05-2017, 12:16 PM
Yikes. Went 3-7 yesterday for -640. I figured I'd come back down to Earth eventually but that was rough.

Fish80
01-05-2017, 12:32 PM
I might have to retire, probably the only time I'll be in positive territory.
Nah, let's keep pounding maximum bets!

NYBri
01-07-2017, 12:10 AM
Big day today. Place yer bets

Bob Green
01-07-2017, 05:59 AM
I'm going with smaller bets today in an attempt to climb out of the hole I've dug. A total of $500 split between three games. Once the over/under numbers are posted, I intend to bet another $500.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
01-07-2017, 08:55 AM
I have a winning record... but I am near the bottom of the board. Geez.

Fish80
01-07-2017, 09:04 AM
What happens to bets if the game is canceled or postponed due to snow?

Bob Green
01-07-2017, 09:38 AM
The over/under numbers are up now.

Troublemaker
01-07-2017, 09:49 AM
What happens to bets if the game is canceled or postponed due to snow?

They would be canceled.

OldPhiKap
01-07-2017, 10:22 AM
A few small bets today, it won't be long before I am negative.

atoomer0881
01-07-2017, 10:36 AM
Just placed my bets. Today all I did was O/U since the other night I went 0-5 against the spread. Let's see if I can do any better today. Otherwise it won't be for long until I have to drop out. Fingers crossed.

jhmoss1812
01-07-2017, 11:37 AM
I'm going with smaller bets today in an attempt to climb out of the hole I've dug. A total of $500 split between three games. Once the over/under numbers are posted, I intend to bet another $500.

I have 10 bets totaling $3800 today lol.

Kinda stinks you can't have more than 10 picks per day lol.

Troublemaker
01-07-2017, 11:57 AM
I have 10 bets totaling $3800 today lol.

Kinda stinks you can't have more than 10 picks per day lol.

6 ACC games today. You can place 12 (if you want)!

jhmoss1812
01-07-2017, 12:05 PM
6 ACC games today. You can place 12 (if you want)!

I tried. It cut me off at 10

Troublemaker
01-07-2017, 01:40 PM
I tried. It cut me off at 10

Gotcha. That IS somewhat annoying. Don't limit our degeneracy.

Bob Green
01-07-2017, 02:02 PM
I took the under in the Pitt/Syracuse game so that's a win for me. There were 143 points scored and the O/U was set at 146.5 points. $100 bucks or units or whatever for Bob.

Fish80
01-07-2017, 02:54 PM
I took the under in the Pitt/Syracuse game so that's a win for me. There were 143 points scored and the O/U was set at 146.5 points. $100 bucks or units or whatever for Bob.

Nice pick Mr Bob.

Bob Green
01-07-2017, 03:02 PM
Nice pick Mr Bob.

Thank you! I took the over in the Duke game for $200, which is looking good so far.

du_bb1
01-07-2017, 04:44 PM
over on Duke was my sole win---poor ole me

OldPhiKap
01-07-2017, 04:49 PM
Small ball for me today. Duke made the over, FSU covered, Pitt flopped. Slight advance.

BandAlum83
01-07-2017, 04:55 PM
wow! last shot at ND/Clemson made the line a push. It was Clemson +5 the entire way.

The Under was a win for me, i thought, but that ended in a push also!!! 145

jhmoss1812
01-07-2017, 04:58 PM
wow! last shot at ND/Clemson made the line a push. It was Clemson +5 the entire way.

The Under was a win for me, i thought, but that ended in a push also!!! 145

I had the under at 144.5 so I hated that last shot :(

Troublemaker
01-07-2017, 05:03 PM
Nice day, Fish80! Obviously a player that picks well AND is max-betting can really extend a lead if everyone else is playing smallball for the most part.

Still waiting to see if you change the behavior of the league with your success. Are people going to stay patient or join the max-bet party?

OldPhiKap
01-07-2017, 05:05 PM
Nice day, Fish80! Obviously a player that picks well AND is max-betting can really extend a lead if everyone else is playing smallball for the most part.

Still waiting to see if you change the behavior of the league with your success. Are people going to stay patient or join the max-bet party?

The price of poker may be going up. Of course, big stacks crack too.

Game on.

Bob Green
01-07-2017, 05:24 PM
I went 4-0 today making significant progress toward getting out of the hole:

1. Under for Pitt/Syracuse ($100)
2. Over for Boston College/Duke ($200)
3. FSU over VT ($100)
4. Louisville over GT ($200)

I had two bets for $400 total on the State/Carolina game but it was postponed.

NYBri
01-07-2017, 05:29 PM
3-0-1 Today.

Stayed away from the winner of the Duke game and went with the over. Same with FSU/VATech and took L'ville to win.

ND a push and the Pack/Cheats play tomorrow.

Got back 800 units.

NYBri
01-07-2017, 05:31 PM
I play smallball because if I went big early, I'd be out of the game. Plenty of time to go big.

Fish80
01-07-2017, 05:48 PM
Nice day, Fish80! Obviously a player that picks well AND is max-betting can really extend a lead if everyone else is playing smallball for the most part.

Still waiting to see if you change the behavior of the league with your success. Are people going to stay patient or join the max-bet party?

Luck is a fickle friend. I may come crashing down any day.

At least 6 folks have a better winning percentage than I do.

But I would gladly trade all my chips for a healthy Amile and a healthy Coach K.

peterjswift
01-07-2017, 08:55 PM
This may sound ridiculous coming from the person currently (and shockingly) in second place, but how do you access the O/U picks on mobile? Am I blind? I made some O/U picks earlier, but I no longer see that option.

Fish80
01-07-2017, 11:22 PM
This may sound ridiculous coming from the person currently (and shockingly) in second place, but how do you access the O/U picks on mobile? Am I blind? I made some O/U picks earlier, but I no longer see that option.

I just checked the Wake at UVA game tomorrow night, and the O/U is showing for me at 130.5. It's just to the right of the spread.

jhmoss1812
01-07-2017, 11:26 PM
I wonder if they're going to repost the UNC/NCSU game for tomorrow.

peterjswift
01-08-2017, 07:56 AM
I just checked the Wake at UVA game tomorrow night, and the O/U is showing for me at 130.5. It's just to the right of the spread.

Either I was being completely stupid, or they just weren't showing in my mobile browser for some reason, but they are showing now. Thanks!

OldPhiKap
01-08-2017, 08:58 AM
Picking the over/under on the UVA-Wake game today is not for the meek.

NYBri
01-08-2017, 09:06 AM
I wonder if they're going to repost the UNC/NCSU game for tomorrow.

Apparently not.

jhmoss1812
01-08-2017, 10:51 AM
Apparently not.

It's up now.

Bob Green
01-08-2017, 10:53 AM
It's up now.

Thank you! I had about given up but I like the numbers yesterday. Off to place my bet...

Dr. Rosenrosen
01-08-2017, 01:19 PM
Wow, gonna have to rely on NCSU now to help me win the Under.

CameronBlue
01-08-2017, 01:29 PM
Wow, gonna have to rely on NCSU now to help me win the Under.

Carolina's on a pace to beat the UNDER by themselves. What possessed me to EVER think State would show up for a game in Chapel Hill? Criminy.

jhmoss1812
01-08-2017, 01:54 PM
Really loving my NCSU +13 bet right now LOL

Bob Green
01-08-2017, 01:56 PM
What possessed me to EVER think State would show up for a game in Chapel Hill? Criminy.

You're not alone. I should have my butt whipped for beating on State to cover.

devildeac
01-08-2017, 01:58 PM
You're not alone. I should have my butt whipped for beating on State to cover.

Considering what has transpired so far, you're not the only one. ;)

Bob Green
01-08-2017, 02:07 PM
Considering what has transpired so far, you're not the only one. ;)

I made that same spelling mistake in chat yesterday. :mad:

Dr. Rosenrosen
01-08-2017, 02:13 PM
Not sure I've ever seen a more pathetic level of effort than this. They could not care less about being out there today.

CameronBlue
01-08-2017, 02:40 PM
Not sure I've ever seen a more pathetic level of effort than this. They could not care less about being out there today.

It's funny how much more passionate I am about the games when a silly 500 points is on the line...and to have to pull for UNC cause I bet the OVER...my world is no longer recognizable to me, like something out of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon.

Dr. Rosenrosen
01-08-2017, 02:45 PM
It's funny how much more passionate I am about the games when a silly 500 points is on the line...and to have to pull for UNC cause I bet the OVER...my world is no longer recognizable to me, like something out of a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon.
Agreed. Normally I'd be watching football and never giving this a second thought. That'll teach me to "bet" on a holes game.

Troublemaker
01-08-2017, 02:55 PM
Yeah, I have nothing on this game but those that do are probably noticing how NCSU still has starters in the game in garbage time and how UNC is still fast-breaking.

Dr. Rosenrosen
01-08-2017, 02:59 PM
The most interesting thing about that game was rooting for the under and ending up with a push.

richardjackson199
01-08-2017, 03:03 PM
Really loving my NCSU +13 bet right now LOL

I did it too - whoops!

JasonEvans
01-08-2017, 03:04 PM
The most interesting thing about that game was rooting for the under and ending up with a push.

I had the over... at 164. So, I lost. Grrrrr. I had been money on my O/U bets until now.

Troublemaker
01-08-2017, 03:05 PM
The most interesting thing about that game was rooting for the under and ending up with a push.

Haha, I bet you were doing a ton of arithmetic in your head (addition, division, and multiplying by 40) the past two hours.

Welcome to degeneracy.

And this is fake dollars.

CameronBlue
01-08-2017, 03:07 PM
The most interesting thing about that game was rooting for the under and ending up with a push.

That's if you bet the O/U at 163. In another nasty twist I bet the over at 164.5. So Carolina winds up with the ball and runs off the last 25 seconds. Little wonder gamblers are so frequently alcoholics. You beat the snot out of your arch-rival for 39:35 and use the last 25 seconds to show what great sportsmen you are?

jhmoss1812
01-08-2017, 03:07 PM
Luckily I got the O/U at 162.5. So +400 on that but -330 on NCSU +13. I guess I'll take +70

Bob Green
01-08-2017, 03:16 PM
Luckily I got the O/U at 162.5. So +400 on that but -330 on NCSU +13. I guess I'll take +70

I also had the over at 162.5.

OldPhiKap
01-08-2017, 10:02 PM
And UVA covers, but it was a struggle.

jhmoss1812
01-08-2017, 10:15 PM
And UVA covers, but it was a struggle.

Can't believe UVA scored 79 points lol. I guess I should be happy about that

Got +300 on UVA -11.5 but -550 on O/U 133.5.

richardjackson199
01-09-2017, 07:20 AM
I thought Wake was a little underrated and had put their 2nd half meltdowns behind them. So I took the points.

Same with State - they have their full roster and I didn't think UNC could stop Smith. State really seemed to be putting it together (before this debacle).

Ahh recency bias, and my usual error of not giving enough weight to home court.

Down 1000 points after 2 bets - this is why I listen to Jim Sumner and don't bet real money on college sports!

(Now betting devildeac beer with Troublemaker on DBR side bets, that's a different story.)

Troublemaker
01-09-2017, 09:22 AM
Down 1000 points after 2 bets - this is why I listen to Jim Sumner and don't bet real money on college sports!

(Now betting devildeac beer with Troublemaker on DBR side bets, that's a different story.)

I don't recommend betting on pro sports, either, Richard. The pros aren't any more consistent than the kids, really. You are wise sticking to the beer bets.

NYBri
01-09-2017, 09:48 AM
I'll have whatever Fish80 is drinking.

Fish80
01-09-2017, 10:09 AM
I'll have whatever Fish80 is drinking.
I don't always drink beer, but when I do ... Actually I'm on the wagon for a bit. I got fat, according to my wife and my conspiring doctor. And they think drinking and snacking excessively is the cause. Arrrggghhh!

I have been rediculously lucky. It's a long season. Watch out for those players with 10 and 2 records.

Fish80
01-09-2017, 10:30 PM
Those rascals haven't posted the O/U yet for Tuesday's games.

devildeac
01-09-2017, 10:36 PM
I thought Wake was a little underrated and had put their 2nd half meltdowns behind them. So I took the points.

Same with State - they have their full roster and I didn't think UNC could stop Smith. State really seemed to be putting it together (before this debacle).

Ahh recency bias, and my usual error of not giving enough weight to home court.

Down 1000 points after 2 bets - this is why I listen to Jim Sumner and don't bet real money on college sports!

(Now betting devildeac beer with Troublemaker on DBR side bets, that's a different story.)

I don't even bet or read this thread and I'm getting beer references. :rolleyes::o

Fish80
01-10-2017, 09:50 AM
I still can't see the O/U. Mr. Swift must have put a hex on my mobile.

Troublemaker
01-10-2017, 09:50 AM
Wow, no one has placed a bet yet. Is this league becoming slightly less degenerate?

I will be placing at least one bet tonight, but I feel like I can get a better line so I'm going to wait.

Troublemaker
01-10-2017, 09:53 AM
I still can't see the O/U. Mr. Swift must have put a hex on my mobile.

They're not up yet, unfortunately. I don't have a great feel for when the O/U lines are posted yet. I know spread lines are usually posted by Covers between 8pm and 11pm the night before.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
01-10-2017, 10:18 AM
I have a winning record... but I am near the bottom of the board. Geez.

...and now I'm back in the Top Ten. This shows I truly don't have the stomach for this madness.

BandAlum83
01-10-2017, 10:26 AM
...and now I'm back in the Top Ten. This shows I truly don't have the stomach for this madness.

And at a mere +60, I am at #11!

I have 2 max bets this evening, so that will likely change. No pushes possible. Both bets have half points involved. But I'm keeping the faith. I took Duke +2.5

Still no O/U as of yet, but I will probably add 2 more bets.

BandAlum83
01-10-2017, 10:37 AM
Over/unders for tonight now available.

Fish80
01-10-2017, 11:52 AM
SYR v VT, the O/U is 151.5. Tough call.

NYBri
01-10-2017, 12:20 PM
SYR v VT, the O/U is 151.5. Tough call.

I've taken the under and the 'Cuse. I've taken the over and FSU in the more important game.

Again, my thinking is that since I have taken FSU, Duke will win because I totally suck at this game.

:cool:

Fish80
01-10-2017, 12:22 PM
I've taken the under and the 'Cuse. I've taken the over and FSU in the more important game.

Again, my thinking is that since I have taken FSU, Duke will win because I totally suck at this game.

:cool:

Thanks for your sacrifice. I just can't bring myself to bet against Duke.

NYBri
01-10-2017, 01:33 PM
Thanks for your sacrifice. I just can't bring myself to bet against Duke.

You and I have only 1 common wager tonight so it looks like I go 1-3.

:cool:

Fish80
01-10-2017, 01:56 PM
You and I have only 1 common wager tonight so it looks like I go 1-3.

:cool:

I might go 0-4 tonight, feeling pretty skittish. That would put you at 3-1?

peterjswift
01-10-2017, 02:25 PM
I still can't see the O/U. Mr. Swift must have put a hex on my mobile.

I wish that hex was applied to mine too, after figuring out how to see them, I promptly lost a bet.

Going big on two bets tonight though (at least bigger than my other bets). I made sure to take a screenshot while I was in second place, since it is likely very fleeting.

NYBri
01-10-2017, 02:50 PM
I wish that hex was applied to mine too, after figuring out how to see them, I promptly lost a bet.

Going big on two bets tonight though (at least bigger than my other bets). I made sure to take a screenshot while I was in second place, since it is likely very fleeting.

I have made the opposite of your two bets and that means you win them both.

Bob Green
01-10-2017, 03:41 PM
I just can't bring myself to bet against Duke.

Me too. I took Duke +2.5 and the over at 158.5 points. I also took VT -3.5 at home over Syracuse. A total of $500 split between the three.

ChillinDuke
01-10-2017, 04:26 PM
Me too. I took Duke +2.5 and the over at 158.5 points. I also took VT -3.5 at home over Syracuse. A total of $500 split between the three.

I got VT -3 just now. Maybe time for you to double down, eh?

- Chillin

ChillinDuke
01-10-2017, 04:30 PM
Thanks for your sacrifice. I just can't bring myself to bet against Duke.

Unfortunately, the FSU line is really nice. If you subscribe to the logic that the game should pit two more or less equal teams, a 1.5 spread is a pretty cheap cost considering a home court.

Man, being objective really stinks.

- Chillin

OldPhiKap
01-10-2017, 06:46 PM
Can't bet against Duke.

Can't pull the trigger at Tallahassee.

Here's hoping I'm leaving money on the table by passing.

peterjswift
01-10-2017, 08:06 PM
I have made the opposite of your two bets and that means you win them both.

This strangely gives me confidence. But posting this is an obvious jinx. No idea now!

jhmoss1812
01-10-2017, 10:12 PM
-440 on the VT/Cuse game but +800 on the Duke/FSU game

JasonEvans
01-11-2017, 04:26 PM
My picks are barely above .500. I am just 16-14 overall and when you factor in the vig that should make me negative. Instead I am in 7th place at +760. How can that be? Well, every time I see a bet I really, really like and I bet a lot, I win. I am 5-0 on bets of 400 or 500 units. They have been hard to find, but when I find them I bet them hard. I found one tonight. We shall see if my "best bets" remain perfect.

Fish80
01-11-2017, 04:34 PM
My picks are barely above .500. I am just 16-14 overall and when you factor in the vig that should make me negative. Instead I am in 7th place at +760. How can that be? Well, every time I see a bet I really, really like and I bet a lot, I win. I am 5-0 on bets of 400 or 500 units. They have been hard to find, but when I find them I bet them hard. I found one tonight. We shall see if my "best bets" remain perfect.

Good strategy. I'm doing much better on O/U than I am on the spread. So tonight I'm just betting on the O/U. And that will wreck my mojo and down I go.

OldPhiKap
01-11-2017, 04:38 PM
Good strategy. I'm doing much better on O/U than I am on the spread. So tonight I'm just betting on the O/U. And that will wreck my mojo and down I go.

Look out -- Fish is poor mouthing. He'll be in five-figures before the clock strikes midnight.

NYBri
01-12-2017, 07:20 AM
Working the o/u back toward positive numbers.

JasonEvans
01-12-2017, 08:15 AM
My picks are barely above .500. I am just 16-14 overall and when you factor in the vig that should make me negative. Instead I am in 7th place at +760. How can that be? Well, every time I see a bet I really, really like and I bet a lot, I win. I am 5-0 on bets of 400 or 500 units. They have been hard to find, but when I find them I bet them hard. I found one tonight. We shall see if my "best bets" remain perfect.

And down goes my best bet, NC State. Now 1-5 on 400 and 500 wagers and I am barely at break even. Sigh...

Troublemaker
01-12-2017, 08:22 AM
I admit it. I went on tilt after Duke's performance at FSU. Played some max bets I shouldn't have. Now, I'm barely hanging on to the front page.

Above anything else, gambling is about controlling your emotions.

Oh well. I'm going to have to make up for yesterday's max bet losses by max betting some more today.

NYBri
01-12-2017, 08:37 AM
I'm going to have to make up for yesterday's max bet losses by max betting some more today.

Going to have to make up for some ill advised heavy drinking yesterday with some more heavy drinking today.

😎

BandAlum83
01-12-2017, 04:46 PM
I admit it. I went on tilt after Duke's performance at FSU. Played some max bets I shouldn't have. Now, I'm barely hanging on to the front page.

Above anything else, gambling is about controlling your emotions.

Oh well. I'm going to have to make up for yesterday's max bet losses by max betting some more today.

I did the same thing and took it on the chin. Ouch!

-1190 #26

Putting 4 500 bets down tonight.

It could be a bloodbath!!!

NYBri
01-12-2017, 09:24 PM
In positive numbers!!!!

Went from 26th place to 7th in one night!

Can't wait until Saturday when the house can crash and burn.

Fish80
01-12-2017, 09:28 PM
Darn Irish and Hurricanes could only manage 129 points. Arrrggghhh!

JasonEvans
01-12-2017, 10:31 PM
Darn Irish and Hurricanes could only manage 129 points. Arrrggghhh!

Yeah, after bragging about "best bets" I was on that over too and missed it. I also made a "best bet" on Notre Dame to cover +4.5, which they did with ease as they won outright. "Underdogs winning outright!" I could be an ad on sports radio. I am now 6-2 on 400 and 500 unit bets... but just 19-18 overall and merely +20 in winnings... good for 11th place.

The impressive one is NYBri who is just 12-13-2 but has done some impressive bet sizing to put himself well into positive numbers at +720.

-Jason "this is a great lesson in how hard it is to make money because of the vig... and I head to the real Las Vegas next weekend to learn it with real money" Evans

OldPhiKap
01-12-2017, 11:18 PM
Yeah, after bragging about "best bets" I was on that over too and missed it. I also made a "best bet" on Notre Dame to cover +4.5, which they did with ease as they won outright. "Underdogs winning outright!" I could be an ad on sports radio. I am now 6-2 on 400 and 500 unit bets... but just 19-18 overall and merely +20 in winnings... good for 11th place.

The impressive one is NYBri who is just 12-13-2 but has done some impressive bet sizing to put himself well into positive numbers at +720.

-Jason "this is a great lesson in how hard it is to make money because of the vig... and I head to the real Las Vegas next weekend to learn it with real money" Evans

Venetian is shrinking their poker room, sad. But the new Wynn poker room in Encore is way cool. (Still say Aria is tops though).

BandAlum83
01-13-2017, 12:22 AM
woo hoo!

+950 on the night. Still in negative territory, but a good night :)

NYBri
01-13-2017, 08:15 AM
At some point, and we're not there yet, the decision will have to be made to either play against the House or play against the other players.

For example, if Fish80 has a 2000 unit lead, do you make bets you think will win, or make bets opposite Fish80 so you have a chance to catch him.

JasonEvans
01-13-2017, 08:17 AM
At some point, and we're not there yet, the decision will have to be made to either play against the House or play against the other players.

For example, if Fish80 has a 2000 unit lead, do you make bets you think will win, or make bets opposite Fish80 so you have a chance to catch him.

Personally, I am far less interested in beating all of you versus doing the best I can. As we are all seeing, evening finishing about 0 is a real accomplishment.

Fish80
01-13-2017, 08:42 AM
I split my bets, yet still lost 50 dothrakian drachma. Some guy vic or victor fleeced me.

(Before you jump all over me, I know, the drachma is not the monetary unit of the dothrakian. The dothrakian don't use money. I just like the alliteration.)

Troublemaker
01-13-2017, 10:15 AM
I see 5 different goals that people can attempt, not all equally rewarding, of course:

1. Finish in first-place.
2. Finish on the front page, i.e. Top 10.
3. Finish > $0 in money. (Which will be pretty close to Goal #2 when it's all said and done.)
4. Finish > .500 winning percentage
5. Finish higher than KenPom. ("My intuition is better than your stats, nerd!")

sagegrouse
01-13-2017, 10:47 AM
I see 5 different goals that people can attempt, not all equally rewarding, of course:

1. Finish in first-place.
2. Finish on the front page, i.e. Top 10.
3. Finish > $0 in money. (Which will be pretty close to Goal #2 when it's all said and done.)
4. Finish > .500 winning percentage
5. Finish higher than KenPom. ("My intuition is better than your stats, nerd!")

Or, finish last, which is an art in itself, given that these are close to 50-50 bets (actually 10-11).

richardjackson199
01-13-2017, 11:00 AM
Or, finish last, which is an art in itself, given that these are close to 50-50 bets (actually 10-11).

Exactly - whoever finishes last (which definitely might be me) should also sell their picks if they get a large enough sample size. Just advise the buyer to pick the opposite. :p

There is still LOTS of ACC season left to play, and it's a very fun year in the ACC (except for us so far). Anybody could make a strong push.

It's tough to beat DBR bragging rights of course, but I propose a small reward. I propose that whoever finishes dead last on the earnings list (or whoever is first to lose by dropping below 5000 - that hasn't happened yet, right?) buys one 6 pack of beer (Devildeac's choosing of course) for the first-place winner. Since I'm technically proposing rules in the middle, anybody should be allowed to opt out of this friendly wager, but still play. Or we can scrap it if folks don't like it. I'm proposing it, because I'm in strong contention to finish dead last (unintentionally regrettably), and who doesn't like devildeac quality beer?

(I'll also add that my filter at work won't let me see the leaderboard/loserboard right now, so if this would be very unfair to somebody close to the bottom now, somebody please advise)

OldPhiKap
01-13-2017, 11:06 AM
Exactly - whoever finishes last (which definitely might be me) should also sell their picks if they get a large enough sample size. Just advise the buyer to pick the opposite. :p

There is still LOTS of ACC season left to play, and it's a very fun year in the ACC (except for us so far). Anybody could make a strong push.

It's tough to beat DBR bragging rights of course, but I propose a small reward. I propose that whoever finishes dead last on the earnings list (or whoever is first to lose by dropping below 5000 - that hasn't happened yet, right?) buys one 6 pack of beer (Devildeac's choosing of course) for the first-place winner. Since I'm technically proposing rules in the middle, anybody should be allowed to opt out of this friendly wager, but still play. Or we can scrap it if folks don't like it. I'm proposing it, because I'm in strong contention to finish dead last (unintentionally regrettably), and who doesn't like devildeac quality beer?

Godwin's law of DBR threads: the longer they go, the more likely they are to end up talking about dd and beer.

I bet Hitler sucked at picking college basketball bets though. Anyone dumb enough to open a second front against Russia and to invade in the fall, well -- they can't figure the over/under on a UVa game.

NYBri
01-13-2017, 12:02 PM
Godwin's law of DBR threads: the longer they go, the more likely they are to end up talking about dd and beer.



Problem?

BandAlum83
01-13-2017, 03:20 PM
I see 5 different goals that people can attempt, not all equally rewarding, of course:

1. Finish in first-place.
2. Finish on the front page, i.e. Top 10.
3. Finish > $0 in money. (Which will be pretty close to Goal #2 when it's all said and done.)
4. Finish > .500 winning percentage
5. Finish higher than KenPom. ("My intuition is better than your stats, nerd!")


To bad we didn't set up a KenPom dummy account that max bets every game to see where it would have ended up.

Jason, you want to start it now? Think of it as the Dow or S&P index.

The KP index fund :)

Bob Green
01-13-2017, 06:34 PM
While the games and O/U are not yet posted at covers.com, there are numbers up at VegasInsider.com and I expect the numbers at covers.com to be pretty close.

Duke is +4 with the O/U at 145.5 points. I like the over very much.

Carolina is -7.5 with the O/U at 164.5 points. I like FSU and the points. The O/U is a tougher call but I expect this game to be a track meet so the score could easily be 90 something to 90 something.

pfrduke
01-13-2017, 07:16 PM
To bad we didn't set up a KenPom dummy account that max bets every game to see where it would have ended up.

Jason, you want to start it now? Think of it as the Dow or S&P index.

The KP index fund :)

I actually did set up such an account. Inattentiveness has kept me from betting every game; however, so far, the dummy is 13-13 at all $100 bets, meaning it's down 130.

pfrduke
01-13-2017, 07:18 PM
I actually did set up such an account. Inattentiveness has kept me from betting every game; however, so far, the dummy is 13-13 at all $100 bets, meaning it's down 130.

I should add, it has done much better at spread than totals. 8-5 against the spread (good for +250 in those bets) but 5-8 on the over/under. I anticipate that, too, will even out as the season continues.

JasonEvans
01-13-2017, 09:17 PM
I truly think this should be the prize to the winner:
https://www.customink.com/proof/sux0-00av-usvn/266507/front/watermarked_big.jpg

-Jason "If everyone playing chips in $1 or $2 we could easily buy it for the winner" Evans

NYBri
01-13-2017, 10:49 PM
I truly think this should be the prize to the winner:
https://www.customink.com/proof/sux0-00av-usvn/266507/front/watermarked_big.jpg

-Jason "If everyone playing chips in $1 or $2 we could easily buy it for the winner" Evans

I think it needs the year?

I'm in for a couple of bucks. I think the hat and maybe a sixpack of Devildeac's choosing?

Bob Green
01-14-2017, 05:28 AM
-Jason "If everyone playing chips in $1 or $2 we could easily buy it for the winner" Evans

Sounds like a great idea to me so I will chip in toward the cause.

Bob Green
01-14-2017, 05:40 AM
Duke is +4 ...

Carolina is -7.5 ...

O/U numbers still not posted but as expected the spread numbers are very close to the Vegas spreads.

Duke +4.5
Carolina -7.5

Notre Dame +2.5 at Virginia Tech is also enticing.

Bob Green
01-14-2017, 10:05 AM
O/U numbers are now posted.

richardjackson199
01-14-2017, 10:08 AM
I think it needs the year?

I'm in for a couple of bucks. I think the hat and maybe a sixpack of Devildeac's choosing?

I'm in for $2. Expecting fortunes to change now that it's real! :cool:

NYBri
01-14-2017, 10:15 AM
Today is pivital. 10 bets @ 500 units each. I could come close to having to drop out, or get near the lead.

It's called gambling.

😎

du_bb1
01-14-2017, 10:15 AM
"It's tough to beat DBR bragging rights of course, but I propose a small reward. I propose that whoever finishes dead last on the earnings list (or whoever is first to lose by dropping below 5000 - that hasn't happened yet, right?) buys one 6 pack of beer (Devildeac's choosing of course) for the first-place winner. Since I'm technically proposing rules in the middle, anybody should be allowed to opt out of this friendly wager, but still play. Or we can scrap it if folks don't like it. I'm proposing it, because I'm in strong contention to finish dead last (unintentionally regrettably), and who doesn't like devildeac quality beer?"


Since I am a leading contender for this dubious distinction.....I am in total agreement

richardjackson199
01-14-2017, 11:40 AM
Today is pivital. 10 bets @ 500 units each. I could come close to having to drop out, or get near the lead.

It's called gambling.

😎

I like it - go big or go home. I'm also in for the beer bet of course. With my 10 picks for 5000, I could also bust out today.

And it's much better than gambling. Tough to beat the feeling of a big win on the tables, but DBR pride of course does. :) But it's much easier to explain away that $2 to your wife than to explain the statistical improbability of picking nine out of ten 50/50 bets wrong and losing close to 5000 real bucks.

Fish80
01-14-2017, 11:46 AM
I like it - go big or go home. I'm also in for the beer bet of course. With my 10 picks for 5000, I could also bust out today.

And it's much better than gambling. Tough to beat the feeling of a big win on the tables, but DBR pride of course does. :) But it's much easier to explain away that $2 to your wife than to explain the statistical improbability of picking nine out of ten 50/50 bets wrong and losing close to 5000 real bucks.

What? It's not real bucks??? I'm in for the hat and the beer and the fame and glory.

Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines!

BandAlum83
01-14-2017, 11:51 AM
Today is pivital. 10 bets @ 500 units each. I could come close to having to drop out, or get near the lead.

It's called gambling.

😎

I'm right there with you.

Of course the odds are we will go 5-5 and lose 500

BandAlum83
01-14-2017, 12:04 PM
I have Duke +4, and over 145.5.

Let's go Duke!!!

Offensive explosion time!!

Troublemaker
01-14-2017, 04:19 PM
Or, finish last, which is an art in itself, given that these are close to 50-50 bets (actually 10-11).

That's what I've been aiming for recently! Yeah, that's right. That's totally been my goal, haha.

Actually, I've just been taking a bloodbath recently. I'm sure it'll turn around just like how my very good start couldn't last. I just wish I had made max-bets during my earlier good streak as well because I've been taking max-bet punishment for the past few days of ACC play. As Jason would say, that's just bad money management!

richardjackson199
01-15-2017, 09:29 AM
At -4700, it's not looking good for me. But any true degenerate gambler looks at that and sees the untapped potential of 300 points. Not only will my glass be half full again, in a few short weeks it will be overflowing.

I went to bet my last 300 points on the NC State / Georgia Tech game, but it says "No bets available." I know my bets usually start at 500 and it lets you adjust them down from there. Has it kicked me out already because I don't have at least 500 left? Is there any way for me to bet my last 300, (which I'm certain will be the start of a huge win streak rush after I let it ride and double up several times). ;)

Or is it just because there isn't as much college hoops today with NFL playoffs?

I'm suspecting I may be already done? If that's the case, I'll gladly pony up the 6-pack of beer for the eventual winner + the $2 for the hat. But if I can bet my last 300, I'd sure like to! Of course the smart thing would be to stop betting and let somebody else bust out first. But no way - there's no fun in that. Play to win.

I checked, and -4700 should be my correct score. I'm 6-14 with all 500 bets. +3000-7000-700(juice for losses) = -4700

If that is how the software works - just know that you'll be done if you get down to -4510 or more, not -5000.

This also shows the risk/reward of the max bet strategy. Yesterday I went 3-7 and I'm either eliminated or on the brink. NYBri went 7-3 and is in 2nd place. My last 20 bets are 6-14. NYBri again is mirror opposite at 14-6 for last 20 bets, with 19-16-2 overall.

Would love official confirmation that I'm done or can bet my last 300 if anybody knows? (And this confirms why I stick to poker in Vegas!)

NYBri
01-15-2017, 09:42 AM
At -4700, it's not looking good for me. But any true degenerate gambler looks at that and sees the untapped potential of 300 points. Not only will my glass be half full again, in a few short weeks it will be overflowing.

I went to bet my last 300 points on the NC State / Georgia Tech game, but it says "No bets available." I know my bets usually start at 500 and it lets you adjust them down from there. Has it kicked me out already because I don't have at least 500 left? Is there any way for me to bet my last 300, (which I'm certain will be the start of a huge win streak rush after I let it ride and double up several times). ;)

Or is it just because there isn't as much college hoops today with NFL playoffs?

I'm suspecting I may be already done? If that's the case, I'll gladly pony up the 6-pack of beer for the eventual winner + the $2 for the hat. But if I can bet my last 300, I'd sure like to! Of course the smart thing would be to stop betting and let somebody else bust out first. But no way - there's no fun in that. Play to win.

I checked, and -4700 should be my correct score. I'm 6-14 with all 500 bets. +3000-7000-700(juice for losses) = -4700

If that is how the software works - just know that you'll be done if you get down to -4510 or more, not -5000.

This also shows the risk/reward of the max bet strategy. Yesterday I went 3-7 and I'm either eliminated or on the brink. NYBri went 7-3 and is in 2nd place. My last 20 bets are 6-14. NYBri again is mirror opposite at 14-6 for last 20 bets, with 19-16-2 overall.

Would love official confirmation that I'm done or can bet my last 300 if anybody knows? (And this confirms why I stick to poker in Vegas!)

It may be that you had already made 10 wagers on that day. The only restriction I believe is that you are allowed 10 wagers on any one day. I don't believe Jason was able to set up a 5000 unit maximum loss with this software.

Jason said all of this up so he would be able to confirm that. In terms of being done, you should be able to bet up until your 5000 in the hole. I don't believe we've established protocol for how to do that other than self policing.

NYBri
01-15-2017, 10:06 AM
Sorry for the typos. That comes from allowing Siri to write your comments.

Bob Green
01-15-2017, 10:10 AM
I went to bet my last 300 points on the NC State / Georgia Tech game, but it says "No bets available."

I'm at +140 and the site says "No bets available" so I wouldn't read too much into that.

NYBri
01-15-2017, 10:27 AM
I'm at +140 and the site says "No bets available" so I wouldn't read too much into that.

I'm wondering if the restriction is 10 bets in any 24 hour period.

NYBri
01-15-2017, 10:30 AM
And since we are sort of making up the rules as we go along, I'm putting this out there as a question. How do we handle bets for folks who get close to the -5000 unit Mark.? Let's say you are -4700 units. Should you be allowed to place more than a 300 unit bet?

I am inclined to say that you can bet the maximum 500 units as long as you have some wiggle room in your total.

Thoughts?

Pghdukie
01-15-2017, 10:37 AM
And since we are sort of making up the rules as we go along, I'm putting this out there as a question. How do we handle bets for folks who get close to the -5000 unit Mark.? Let's say you are -4700 units. Should you be allowed to place more than a 300 unit bet?

I am inclined to say that you can bet the maximum 500 units as long as you have some wiggle room in your total.

Thoughts?

You maybe forgetting the juice. If your balance is +300, you may only be permitted to wager 220/200 which will keep you under your 300 balance.

JasonEvans
01-15-2017, 10:45 AM
So, first of all (as others have noted) the -5000 limit was imposed by me, not by the website. I am sure they would be perfectly happy for you to bet until you are 10k or more in the hole. If the website isn't letting you make a bet, it is not for the -5000 reason. It is probably the 10 bet limit, though I thought the limit was per day, not per 24 hours. There are very few administrator abilities on this website so I have no control over these things.

As for what you can wager, I think we should limit it to 5000 in losses (and not worry about the vig). So, if you are at -4700, you can bet 300. That just seems fair.

Does everyone know how to use Venmo? We could Venmo $2 each to someone who will handle ordering the winner's hat. I guess we could use paypal but I think Paypal takes a fee of every buck you send. Do folks want me to handle it?

-Jason "Any other questions?" Evans

richardjackson199
01-15-2017, 11:11 AM
Thanks!
You all were right - the no bets available thing had nothing to do with my total. I just put my 300 point bet in.

Makes sense to me, at -4700 I have 300 left, so I chose to go all in with my last 300.

The rush starts now - I'm gonna win this thing! :p And Duke is also about to turn it around, win out conference games, and earn a #1 seed.

But I'll get that beer and $2 ready just in case.

rasputin
01-15-2017, 11:12 AM
So, first of all (as others have noted) the -5000 limit was imposed by me, not by the website. I am sure they would be perfectly happy for you to bet until you are 10k or more in the hole. If the website isn't letting you make a bet, it is not for the -5000 reason. It is probably the 10 bet limit, though I thought the limit was per day, not per 24 hours. There are very few administrator abilities on this website so I have no control over these things.

As for what you can wager, I think we should limit it to 5000 in losses (and not worry about the vig). So, if you are at -4700, you can bet 300. That just seems fair.

Does everyone know how to use Venmo? We could Venmo $2 each to someone who will handle ordering the winner's hat. I guess we could use paypal but I think Paypal takes a fee of every buck you send. Do folks want me to handle it?

-Jason "Any other questions?" Evans

yeah, can I get a hat retroactive for last year's contest?

Troublemaker
01-15-2017, 11:25 AM
Jason, great idea for the hat (and pretty good design, too!). I forgot to comment on it yesterday because I was on-tilt from Duke's loss.

I'm in for VenMo or whatever. Yes, please handle it, and we'll shoot you the money.

NYBri
01-15-2017, 05:48 PM
yeah, can I get a hat retroactive for last year's contest?

All for that, if this is going to be an ongoing event.

Jason, you want to order the hat(s)?

Troublemaker
01-15-2017, 09:15 PM
I don't think I could lose more if I tried.

And I'm the one who poked Jason to get this stupid game going. What was I thinking?

😎


Keep your head up, NYBri. Everyone in this contest will go through hot and cold streaks. Even though it may not feel like it right now, you just happened to start with a cold streak and you WILL have a hot streak if you keep betting.

You're on a roll now, NYBri! 2nd place!

jhmoss1812
01-15-2017, 09:25 PM
And we have our first disqualified player. Tough run for Dick Jackson.

CameronBlue
01-15-2017, 09:38 PM
And we have our first disqualified player. Tough run for Dick Jackson.

If I should go out, please help me God that it's not betting on State to cover.

Bob Green
01-15-2017, 09:59 PM
I've clawed my way into the Top 10 at +240 mostly via success with O/U bets. I am 8-2 on O/U for +1670 but 5-9 for -1430 against the spread.

NYBri
01-15-2017, 10:15 PM
And we have our first disqualified player. Tough run for Dick Jackson.

Equally hard to go up 5000 than to go down 5000.

richardjackson199
01-15-2017, 10:45 PM
Equally hard to go up 5000 than to go down 5000.

Ha - thanks! If anybody hits Sin City and wants me to pick a game, just let me know. Take the opposite, and you've got over 71% odds. Best odds in Vegas!

One very fine 6 pack of beer on me, plus the champions hat awaits the winner of this year's DBR challenge. With devildeac picking, it will probably be the best beer you've ever tasted. I'll pay up in March, and Jason I'll get you 2 bones this week.

Go get that beer & hat boyz and girlz!

BandAlum83
01-16-2017, 01:37 PM
Looks like all betting tonight are taking UNC - 14.5 and the over.....except Jason.

You know something the rest of us don't, Jason?

Troublemaker
01-16-2017, 01:52 PM
I've clawed my way into the Top 10 at +240 mostly via success with O/U bets. I am 8-2 on O/U for +1670 but 5-9 for -1430 against the spread.

Very well done, Bob! You and NYBri are in contention for comeback player of the season!


Looks like all betting tonight are taking UNC - 14.5 and the over...except Jason.

You know something the rest of us don't, Jason?

I was actually going to sit tonight out until you pointed this out. I'm going to join Jason in fading (https://www.vegas.com/gaming/gaming-tips/betting-glossary/) the public/DBR tonight by backing Syracuse. Right now, I've lost the feel for this ACC season and hope that fading the public will pick up some nice wins over the next few days. Eventually I hope to recapture the feel (whether it's imagined or not).

JasonEvans
01-16-2017, 04:20 PM
Looks like all betting tonight are taking UNC - 14.5 and the over....except Jason.

You know something the rest of us don't, Jason?

I think everyone really soured on Syracuse a couple weeks ago and just wrote them off. They got blown out by St John's and BC (!!!!!!!!!!) and we all just figured they were godawful. That's why they are getting such a big number against UNC.

Well, since then they have beaten Pitt, Miami, and that same BC team... and all three of those wins were by double digits. They lost to Va Tech at Va Tech but there is no shame in that. 14.5 is a big number and Carolina could win this game with relative ease and still not cover that number. Plus, the Syracuse zone can vex teams and Carolina was just godawful against the Ga Tech zone a week ago. Plus, Carolina only got 1 day to prepare for the zone (though there are plenty of guys on UNC who are experienced and played against it last year). Anyway, that's why I like the under.

Look, we are all just desperately fighting to stay above water in this thing. I did not pick Syr and the under to be contrarian, but I kinda like that I am in the big minority on this. Could be a chance to really gain ground on the rest of ya'll.

-Jason "I'd feel a lot lot lot better if it was in Syracuse" Evans

NYBri
01-16-2017, 04:20 PM
You're on a roll now, NYBri! 2nd place!

Yes, but the roll can turn as quickly as it came. 😎


Ha - thanks! If anybody hits Sin City and wants me to pick a game, just let me know. Take the opposite, and you've got over 71% odds. Best odds in Vegas!

One very fine 6 pack of beer on me, plus the champions hat awaits the winner of this year's DBR challenge. With devildeac picking, it will probably be the best beer you've ever tasted. I'll pay up in March, and Jason I'll get you 2 bones this week.

Go get that beer & hat boyz and girlz!

Sportsmanship sporks for richardjackson.