Coach K Fairly Successful at Cameron

[BD80]

Interesting article on Duke's non-conference home winning streak, 16 years and counting.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/with-w-over-michigan-state-duke-extends-insane-non-con-home-win-streak-to-130/

We had another streak from 1983 to 1995.

Since 1983, we've lost THREE non-conference game.

Our last non-con home loss was in 2000 to St. John's on Bootsy Thornton's shot with 13 seconds in the game.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

Interesting article on Duke's non-conference home winning streak, 16 years and counting.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/with-w-over-michigan-state-duke-extends-insane-non-con-home-win-streak-to-130/

We had another streak from 1983 to 1995.

Since 1983, we've lost THREE non-conference game.

Our last non-con home loss was in 2000 to St. John's on Bootsy Thornton's shot with 13 seconds in the game.
And thus was born the phrase "he went Bootsy on us." Hope we never hear it again! LGD

[Faison1]

And thus was born the phrase "he went Bootsy on us." Hope we never hear it again! LGD

I was at that game. Bootsy was amazing.

My memory is foggy, but I seem to remember those guys alley-ooping a lot too.

[UrinalCake]

According to the article, the streak includes only nine ranked opponents. I'm not sure how many games against ranked opponents are part of the streak, as some of the opponents have played more than once, but it's not quite as impressive when the vast majority of these games have been against overmatched scrubs. Still impressive, but I guess the number feels a little misleading.

[gep]

But... even if they play 1 ranked team every other year, and lose even only 1 of them, there's no 130 game streak :confused:

[subzero02]

I was a sophomore when we lost to st. John's in Cameron... I remember C-well not having a great outing that day. I also remember Battier asking the crazies not to taunt Erik Barkley over some eligibility issue... the poster who mentioned lots of alley-oops is correct... st. John's had a player named Postell (sp?) who could sky.

[subzero02]

According to the article, the streak includes only nine ranked opponents. I'm not sure how many games against ranked opponents are part of the streak, as some of the opponents have played more than once, but it's not quite as impressive when the vast majority of these games have been against overmatched scrubs. Still impressive, but I guess the number feels a little misleading.

The way I read it, out of those 130 wins, only 9 have been against ranked opponents. It looks like the article named 5 of the teams: gtown, wisconsin, osu, Davidson and davidson. Most ranked programs don't want to come into Cameron.

[tbyers11]

The way I read it, out of those 130 wins, only 9 have been against ranked opponents. It looks like the article named 5 of the teams: gtown, wisconsin, osu, Davidson and davidson. Most ranked programs don't want to come into Cameron.

Shawn Krest had some great tweets on this last night:

Ranked teams Duke has beaten during the streak (https://twitter.com/KrestACCWriter3/status/803811884692553728)

And because somebody asked Record against ranked and unranked non-con opponents for Duke, UNC and NCST in the same time period (https://twitter.com/KrestACCWriter3/status/803978670599716864)

So while we've only played 9 ranked non-con opponents in that time it is not that far from UNC's 13 (9-4 record)

Also, the non St John's non-con losses since 1983 were during my undergrad years. A loss to Illinois in December 1995 and an extremely painful one point loss to Michigan in December 1996. I still recall Tractor Traylor (RIP) driving straight down the lane for a basically uncontested dunk with about 5 seconds left. The D was pretty bad on that play.

[Blue KevIL]

Since 2/2/1983, Duke has played 260 Home Games against Non-Conference Opponents:
- Duke has posted a 257-3 record at Cameron against Non-Conference Opponents
- Duke was Unranked in only 16 of those games (15-0 vs Unranked Opponents & 1-0 vs Ranked Opponents [#16 UCLA W 85-66 on 2/25/1996])
- Duke has faced 23 Ranked Non-Conference Opponents during this stretch & defeated 22 of them (#10 Duke lost 62-61 to #7 Michigan on 12/8/1996)


During the first 130 games (2/2/1983 through 2/26/2000):
- Duke won 95 in a row, then on 12/2/1995, #12 Duke lost 75-65 to Unranked Illinois
- Duke won 8 games in a row, then on 12/8/1996, #10 Duke lost 62-61 to #7 Michigan
- Duke won 24 games in a row, then on 2/26/2000, #2 Duke lost 83-82 to Unranked St. John's in OT

- 127-3 at Cameron against Non-Conference Opponents
- Duke was Ranked in 114 games (111-3) & Unranked in 16 games (16-0)
- Duke faced 14 Ranked Opponents (13-1) & 116 Unranked Opponents (114-2)


During the second 130 games (11/14/2000 through 11/29/2016 -- CURRENT):
- 130-0 at Cameron against Non-Conference Opponents
- Duke has been Ranked in all 130 games (130-0)
- Duke has faced 9 Ranked Opponents (9-0) & 121 Unranked Opponents (121-0)


So, in the last 260 Home Games against Non-Conference Opponents, 2 of the 3 losses were by 1-point.
These numbers are almost impossible to believe.

[Blue KevIL]

- Duke has faced 23 Ranked Non-Conference Opponents during this stretch & defeated 22 of them (#10 Duke lost 62-61 to #7 Michigan on 12/8/1996)


Michigan State (2004 & 2010), Wisconsin (2007), Ohio State (2012) & Michigan (2013) played in Cameron as part of the Big Ten / ACC Challenge.

Michigan (92, 94 & 96), Oklahoma (86 & 93), Georgetown (06 & 09), Temple (94 & 11) and UCLA (96 & 98) each played multiple games by choice.




Year
Date
Rank
Team

W/L
Pts
Pts
OT

Rank
Opponent


1985-86
02/16/1986
2
Duke

W
75
74


14
Notre Dame


1985-86
02/22/1986
2
Duke

W
93
84


10
Oklahoma


1989-90
02/25/1990
3
Duke

W
78
76


21
Arizona


1990-91
02/10/1991
6
Duke

W
88
70


19
LSU


1991-92
01/18/1992
1
Duke

W
104
82


18
UNC-Charlotte


1992-93
12/05/1992
4
Duke

W
79
68


1
Michigan


1992-93
01/04/1993
1
Duke

W
88
84
OT

11
Oklahoma


1992-93
01/16/1993
3
Duke

W
65
56


13
Iowa


1993-94
02/27/1994
2
Duke

W
59
47


8
Temple


1994-95
12/10/1994
9
Duke

W
69
59


23
Michigan


1995-96
02/25/1996

Duke

W
85
66


16
UCLA


1996-97
12/08/1996
10
Duke

L
61
62


7
Michigan


1997-98
02/22/1998
2
Duke

W
120
84


12
UCLA


1999-00
12/04/1999
17
Duke

W
84
83
OT

22
DePaul


2000-01
01/16/2001
2
Duke

W
97
75


25
Boston College


2004-05
11/30/2004
10
Duke

W
81
74


11
Michigan State


2006-07
12/02/2006
11
Duke

W
61
52


18
Georgetown


2007-08
11/27/2007
7
Duke

W
82
58


20
Wisconsin


2008-09
01/17/2009
3
Duke

W
76
67


13
Georgetown


2010-11
12/01/2010
1
Duke

W
84
79


6
Michigan State


2010-11
02/23/2011
1
Duke

W
78
61


24
Temple


2012-13
11/28/2012
2
Duke

W
73
68


4
Ohio State


2013-14
12/03/2013
10
Duke

W
79
69


22
Michigan

[-jk]

I think this thread is begging Kedsy to do a season-by-season analysis of home wins v. kenpom!

<ducks, covers>

-jk

[left_hook_lacey]

The way I read it, out of those 130 wins, only 9 have been against ranked opponents. It looks like the article named 5 of the teams: gtown, wisconsin, osu, Davidson and davidson. Most ranked programs don't want to come into Cameron.

Maybe, or it could have something to do with our scheduling? :cool:

[Indoor66]

I think this thread is begging Kedsy to do a season-by-season analysis of home wins v. kenpom!

<ducks, covers>

-jk

Please, save the bandwidth.

[mkirsh]

Maybe, or it could have something to do with our scheduling? :cool:

Actually you can see a change in scheduling philosophy in the data pulled by BlueKevIl (thanks for the history!). In the mid 90s Duke used to schedule a lot more home and home games with major conference opponents - Michigan, UCLA, Illinois, St Johns, Georgetown, etc. However since the early 2000s, K has preferred to play those non conf games in neutral locations to get the team acclimated to NCAAT type venues. Combined with the ACC-BIG challenge and more preseason tournaments, the home and homes are extinct. It's a shame as those were great games (despite being in attendance for 2 of those 3 losses - IL and Mich), but that is the nature of college BB these days.

[tbyers11]

Actually you can see a change in scheduling philosophy in the data pulled by BlueKevIl (thanks for the history!). In the mid 90s Duke used to schedule a lot more home and home games with major conference opponents - Michigan, UCLA, Illinois, St Johns, Georgetown, etc. However since the early 2000s, K has preferred to play those non conf games in neutral locations to get the team acclimated to NCAAT type venues. Combined with the ACC-BIG challenge and more preseason tournaments, the home and homes are extinct. It's a shame as those were great games (despite being in attendance for 2 of those 3 losses - IL and Mich), but that is the nature of college BB these days.

I don't have a link, but while much of the neutral site philosophy has been to acclimate to NCAA-type big arenas it was also borne from many coaches refusing to play home-an-homes citing Cameron as too great of a homecourt advantage

[crf30]

Also keep in mind that you can't schedule a ranked opponent. You can only schedule opponents. It was probably anticipated that Michigan State would have been ranked for our game on Tuesday, but they were not. That's my only data point. I wonder how many times we played a team that was ranked in the pre-season and unranked when they came to Cameron.

[Wander]

Given how early in the season these games take place, I think rankings at the time of the game aren't necessarily that meaningful. But I can think of at least 2 Final Four teams that we beat in the streak - Michigan State in the 2005 season and Georgetown in the 2007 season. Maybe there are others.

[JasonEvans]

And thus was born the phrase "he went Bootsy on us." Hope we never hear it again! LGD

The Bootsy legend did not start with the Feb of 2000 game that St. John's won in Cameron. It actually began a year earlier in Madison Sq Garden. St. John's came into that January 1999 game as a national title contender. They were ranked #8 in the nation (Duke was #2). They had 4 guys who scored between 13 and 15 points per game -- highly touted PG Erik Barkley; PF Ron Artest who would go on to quite a bit of NBA success; SF Lavor Postell; and SG Mavis "Bootsy" Thornton. Thornton was a transfer from a small community college. Coming into that game, few of us knew much of who he was.

What Bootsy did in that game is what earned him his legend. He went off for 40 points and almost single-handedly defeated a Duke team that was among the best teams in college hoops history. It has been said that the game, that went to OT, was one of the best college games ever played in the Garden. Here is a CBS Sports article (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-2-duke-escapes-red-storm/) about it.


Thornton, a 6-foot-4 junior guard, scored 23 of his team's final 36 points and finished with 12 rebounds for St. John's (16-4).

"We didn't have anything to prove. This was just the next game for us," said Thornton, who was 14 of 24 from the field, including 7 of 11 from 3-point range. "We have nothing to prove to anybody."

When Thornton said that, St. John's coach Mike Jarvis leaned over and added: "That's why he got 40."

He got them in bunches. He scored the final eight points of the first half to cut Duke's 10-point lead to 39-37. He scored 14 straight for the Red Storm in one second-half stretch and he scored in overtime, getting six of the eight his team had in the extra five minutes.

I vividly recall watching that game with Duke friends and we kept on saying, "Who the !#^!@^!@ is Bootsy and why can't anyone stop him!?!?" Since that day, any time some little known player starts to score in bunches against Duke, Duke fans will say, "Uh-oh, he's going all Bootsy on us!!"

The following year in Cameron, Bootsy had a very good, but not legendary game, when he scored 22 including the game winner, to beat Duke. As you all know, that was the last time Duke lost a non-conference game in Cameron. But, the legend of Bootsy comes from the OT game his team lost, not from the Cameron game that his team won.

-Jason "Bootsy had a long, successful career in European basketball. He was the MVP of the Turkish Finals in 2009 and made 2nd team All-Euroleague in 2008" Evans

[Neals384]

For anyone who discounts wins against unranked opponents: UNC has 7 losses against unranked opponents since the start of Duke's streak.

[SCMatt33]

Since 2/2/1983, Duke has played 260 Home Games against Non-Conference Opponents:
- Duke has posted a 257-3 record at Cameron against Non-Conference Opponents

Where do you get 257-3? The Duke game notes prior to App State said they had won 259 of the last 262, which adding in the two since then would make them 261-3 since that date.

Additionally, looking up the records from November 1980 - February 1983, Coach K started off his career 17-5 in home non-conference games prior to the start of the streak, making his overall home non-conference record 278-8 (.972)

On the topic of scheduling philosophy, I always think people forget that coaches want to build an entire schedule, and that non-conference scheduling isn't made in a vacuum. It always irks make when someone says "they only go on the road when they're FORCED to in the challenge" as if the B1G game replaced a cupcake on the schedule. Prior to the mid-2000's when the challenge moved to campus sites from neutral sites, Duke scheduled plenty of home and homes. They continued to schedule them right up until the ACC went to 18 conference games, which essentially added two major conference home and homes to the schedule. That's 3 power conference home and homes added to the schedule since the mid 2000's, with 2 more coming in a couple of years. What's the difference if you choose who your opponent is and if you don't?

[Blue KevIL]

Where do you get 257-3? The Duke game notes prior to App State said they had won 259 of the last 262, which adding in the two since then would make them 261-3 since that date.

I have reviewed all of the schedules since from the start of the 95-game streak and put together a spreadsheet.

Unfortunately, the Game Notes aren't always correct.
For the Michigan State game, they state "Duke has won 128 consecutive non-conference home games, a streak that dates back to 2000."
With a win over MSU, that would put the Game Notes total at 129. The true number is 130.

[jimsumner]

The Bootsy legend did not start with the Feb of 2000 game that St. John's won in Cameron. It actually began a year earlier in Madison Sq Garden. St. John's came into that January 1999 game as a national title contender. They were ranked #8 in the nation (Duke was #2). They had 4 guys who scored between 13 and 15 points per game -- highly touted PG Erik Barkley; PF Ron Artest who would go on to quite a bit of NBA success; SF Lavor Postell; and SG Mavis "Bootsy" Thornton. Thornton was a transfer from a small community college. Coming into that game, few of us knew much of who he was.

What Bootsy did in that game is what earned him his legend. He went off for 40 points and almost single-handedly defeated a Duke team that was among the best teams in college hoops history. It has been said that the game, that went to OT, was one of the best college games ever played in the Garden. Here is a CBS Sports article (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-2-duke-escapes-red-storm/) about it.



I vividly recall watching that game with Duke friends and we kept on saying, "Who the !#^!@^!@ is Bootsy and why can't anyone stop him!?!?" Since that day, any time some little known player starts to score in bunches against Duke, Duke fans will say, "Uh-oh, he's going all Bootsy on us!!"

The following year in Cameron, Bootsy had a very good, but not legendary game, when he scored 22 including the game winner, to beat Duke. As you all know, that was the last time Duke lost a non-conference game in Cameron. But, the legend of Bootsy comes from the OT game his team lost, not from the Cameron game that his team won.

-Jason "Bootsy had a long, successful career in European basketball. He was the MVP of the Turkish Finals in 2009 and made 2nd team All-Euroleague in 2008" Evans

William Avery fouled out in that 1999 game and Chris Carrawell took over, ably running the team in overtime.

That was one of the few really close games Duke had during that regular season, an oversight that many think ill-served Duke down the road.

[Edouble]

William Avery fouled out in that 1999 game and Chris Carrawell took over, ably running the team in overtime.

That was one of the few really close games Duke had during that regular season, an oversight that many think ill-served Duke down the road.

When Avery and Brand (and Nate James) fouled out in that game and we still won, it was then that I began to believe that that team was unbeatable.

Then when we came close to losing at Ga Tech, I started to reconsider my stance on the matter.

[JasonEvans]

That was one of the few really close games Duke had during that regular season, an oversight that many think ill-served Duke down the road.

Well, it wasn't Duke's fault that we played so few close games. We tried to schedule good teams that would test us, but we beat almost all of them pretty easily. Our non-conference games that year included Fresno St (loads of NBA talent, but the team underperformed); a really good Cincy team that included Kenyon Martin (and beat us 77-75 on a great final play); a truly excellent Michigan St team that finished the year as the #2 team in the polls; a pretty good Florida team that was ranked that season; a Kentucky team that was in the top 10 all season; and that top 10 ranked St. John's team. Plus we also played Michigan and Notre Dame (a pair of traditional powers who were both unexpectedly down that season).

The problem that season was that the ACC was terrible. UNC and Maryland were the only other ranked teams in the conference. Clemson spent a few weeks at mid-season ranked in the mid-20s, but the league was just bad. Only Duke, MD, and UNC ended up making the NCAA tourney.

-Jason "that was a fun season though... we just blew the doors off teams left and right" Evans

[jimsumner]

Well, it wasn't Duke's fault that we played so few close games. We tried to schedule good teams that would test us, but we beat almost all of them pretty easily. Our non-conference games that year included Fresno St (loads of NBA talent, but the team underperformed); a really good Cincy team that included Kenyon Martin (and beat us 77-75 on a great final play); a truly excellent Michigan St team that finished the year as the #2 team in the polls; a pretty good Florida team that was ranked that season; a Kentucky team that was in the top 10 all season; and that top 10 ranked St. John's team. Plus we also played Michigan and Notre Dame (a pair of traditional powers who were both unexpectedly down that season).

The problem that season was that the ACC was terrible. UNC and Maryland were the only other ranked teams in the conference. Clemson spent a few weeks at mid-season ranked in the mid-20s, but the league was just bad. Only Duke, MD, and UNC ended up making the NCAA tourney.

-Jason "that was a fun season though... we just blew the doors off teams left and right" Evans

Jason, you might want to fine-tune your sarcasm detector.

[Olympic Fan]

I was just looking at that steak of 130 straight wins against non-conference opponents in Cameron.

Some interesting factoids:

Just nine of those 130 wins have come vs. ranked opponents ... and five of those have been in the ACC Big Ten Challenge. The best wins (by rank) would be over No. 4 Ohio State in the 2012 Challenge (that's the 2012-13 season) and over No. 6 Michigan State in the 2010 Challenge (the 2010-11 season). The best win might be over No. 18 Georgetown in December of 2006 -- the Hoyas would make the Final Four that year.

A bunch of close calls against lessor competition. One of the most dramatic was an early season matchup with Rhode Island in 2008-09. Jimmy Baron hit 8-of-9 3s to take it to the wire, but with the game on the line, Kyle Singler defended Baron's 10th 3-point try and Duke held on to win 82-79.

Also, the 2011-12 opener against Belmont resulted in a one point win -- although as I remember it, Belmont hit a long 3 at the buzzer to make it that close.

Duke's 2013-14 win over Vermont was a REAL one-point guard -- the Catamounts had a layup at the buzzer to win it. Rodney Hood hit 1 of 2 free throws with five second left to give Duke a 91-90 lead. Vermont took a little too much time pushing it up and didn't get the winning shot off in time.

I don't want to get cocky, but with Maine and Tennessee State the last two non-conference home games this year, I feel certain the streak with be 132 games going into next season.

With Duke due a road game in the Challenge next year, the next real threat to the streak ought to come early in the 2018-19 season. Of course, there might be a Vermont or a Belmont out there to pull the surprise.

[Highlander]

Also, the non St John's non-con losses since 1983 were during my undergrad years. A loss to Illinois in December 1995 and an extremely painful one point loss to Michigan in December 1996. I still recall Tractor Traylor (RIP) driving straight down the lane for a basically uncontested dunk with about 5 seconds left. The D was pretty bad on that play.

I had forgotten about the Illinois loss and thought this was the one that broke the streak. I was in the band under that basket and remember how the defense parted like the red sea as Traylor came barreling through. No one was interested in taking a charge. Can't really blame them tho.

[CDu]

And thus was born the phrase "he went Bootsy on us." Hope we never hear it again! LGD


I was at that game. Bootsy was amazing.

My memory is foggy, but I seem to remember those guys alley-ooping a lot too.

Actually, the "going Bootsy on us" came from the 1999 season at Madison Square Garden, when Thornton went for a career-high 40. He was good in the game in 2000 in Cameron (22 points, 11 rebounds, and 6 assists). But it wasn't "the Bootsy game" (which we actually won).

Whoops, should have read the entire thread. Jason Evans was on it already.

[jimsumner]

I had forgotten about the Illinois loss and thought this was the one that broke the streak. I was in the band under that basket and remember how the defense parted like the red sea as Traylor came barreling through. No one was interested in taking a charge. Can't really blame them tho.

The Illinois loss did break the streak. 95 games, going back to a home loss to Louisville in 1983. Michigan was a year later. St. John's was the most recent. That streak is ongoing.

That Illinois team had a couple of guys that Duke had seriously recruited, Jerry Gee and Richard Keene. Both Illinois natives, IIRC.

[Tripping William]

The Illinois loss did break the streak. 95 games, going back to a home loss to Louisville in 1983. Michigan was a year later. St. John's was the most recent. That streak is ongoing.

That Illinois team had a couple of guys that Duke had seriously recruited, Jerry Gee and Richard Keene. Both Illinois natives, IIRC.

I attended that one, as a law student. *sigh*

[Neals384]

Iowa State's home non-con streak ends tonight at 37.

[devildeac]

Iowa State's home non-con streak ends tonight at 37.

I'll ASSume ISU had more points than turnovers in this contest. :rolleyes:

I'll also ASSume WVU had more points that PF called on them, too. :rolleyes:

[Bostondevil]

I was at the loss to Wagner. It was during the holiday break my sophomore year. Courtside bleacher tickets were sold to the locals, not too many students there.

I was also at the loss to Louisville later that season.

The year before, I was at the losses to Vanderbilt, Appalachian State, and Davidson.

I was in attendance 5 out of 8 non-conference losses in Cameron by the Blue Devils in the Coach K era. Dubious distinction. Can anybody here beat me?

[devildeac]

I was at the loss to Wagner. It was during the holiday break my sophomore year. Courtside bleacher tickets were sold to the locals, not too many students there.

I was also at the loss to Louisville later that season.

The year before, I was at the losses to Vanderbilt, Appalachian State, and Davidson.

I was in attendance 5 out of 8 non-conference losses in Cameron by the Blue Devils in the Coach K era. Dubious distinction. Can anybody here beat me?

I've got 3 ideas of who might beat you:

Jim Sumner, Olympic Fan, Ozzie

[devil84]

I was at the loss to Wagner. It was during the holiday break my sophomore year. Courtside bleacher tickets were sold to the locals, not too many students there.

I was also at the loss to Louisville later that season.

The year before, I was at the losses to Vanderbilt, Appalachian State, and Davidson.

I was in attendance 5 out of 8 non-conference losses in Cameron by the Blue Devils in the Coach K era. Dubious distinction. Can anybody here beat me?

My parents saw them all. I missed the Illinois and Michigan losses (I moved away for a while) and I did see St. John's, but do I get extra points for being on the bench for five of those 8 losses? (Yikes!)

[BD80]

I was at the loss to Wagner. It was during the holiday break my sophomore year. Courtside bleacher tickets were sold to the locals, not too many students there.

I was also at the loss to Louisville later that season.

The year before, I was at the losses to Vanderbilt, Appalachian State, and Davidson.

I was in attendance 5 out of 8 non-conference losses in Cameron by the Blue Devils in the Coach K era. Dubious distinction. Can anybody here beat me?

If you really think you deserve to be beat for your role in the losses, sure I can do it.

[JasonEvans]

Can anybody here beat me?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eD5ZRWbHL._AC_SL230_.jpg

I needed to use this image in the Presidential Thread...

[BandAlum83]

I was at the loss to Wagner. It was during the holiday break my sophomore year. Courtside bleacher tickets were sold to the locals, not too many students there.

I was also at the loss to Louisville later that season.

The year before, I was at the losses to Vanderbilt, Appalachian State, and Davidson.

I was in attendance 5 out of 8 non-conference losses in Cameron by the Blue Devils in the Coach K era. Dubious distinction. Can anybody here beat me?

Probably, I was there for his two 17 loss seasons, but also his first season. It looks like we overlapped by 2 years, Bostondevil. I wonder if we knew each other?

[Tom B.]

I'd be curious to know how many of our wins during the streak were against teams that ended the season ranked (regardless of whether they were ranked when we played them), or made it to at least the Sweet 16 of the Tournament.

Michigan State this year wasn't ranked when we played them, but they could very well end up ranked by season's end.

A couple of other examples:

Last year we beat an unranked Indiana team in Cameron by 20 in December, but they were ranked (#14 AP, #12 Coaches) at season's end.

In the 2012-13 season, we beat an unranked Florida Gulf Coast team in Cameron by 21 in November, but they reached the Sweet 16 in the 2013 Tournament.

I bet there are more like these.

[jimsumner]

I was at the loss to Wagner. It was during the holiday break my sophomore year. Courtside bleacher tickets were sold to the locals, not too many students there.

I was also at the loss to Louisville later that season.

The year before, I was at the losses to Vanderbilt, Appalachian State, and Davidson.

I was in attendance 5 out of 8 non-conference losses in Cameron by the Blue Devils in the Coach K era. Dubious distinction. Can anybody here beat me?

Hey, I was at the East Tennessee loss in December 1968. Yes, Harley "Skeeter" Swift and East Tennessee State.

And, yes I was at all of Coach K's losses at Duke.

Now, you kids get off my lawn.

[SCMatt33]

I'd be curious to know how many of our wins during the streak were against teams that ended the season ranked (regardless of whether they were ranked when we played them), or made it to at least the Sweet 16 of the Tournament.

Michigan State this year wasn't ranked when we played them, but they could very well end up ranked by season's end.

A couple of other examples:

Last year we beat an unranked Indiana team in Cameron by 20 in December, but they were ranked (#14 AP, #12 Coaches) at season's end.

In the 2012-13 season, we beat an unranked Florida Gulf Coast team in Cameron by 21 in November, but they reached the Sweet 16 in the 2013 Tournament.

I bet there are more like these.

This cuts both ways though. In January 2009, Duke beat #13 Georgetown in Cameron. The Hoyas went on to win only 4 more games the rest of the year and lost in the first round of the NIT. I would guess that the number of teams who ended the year ranked isn't significantly different than the number ranked at the time of the game.

[devildeac]

Hey, I was at the East Tennessee loss in December 1968. Yes, Harley "Skeeter" Swift and East Tennessee State.

And, yes I was at all of Coach K's losses at Duke.

Now, you kids get off my lawn.

Does that mean you beat Bostondevil? Literally, of course. :o:rolleyes:

[sagegrouse]

I was at the loss to Wagner. It was during the holiday break my sophomore year. Courtside bleacher tickets were sold to the locals, not too many students there.

I was also at the loss to Louisville later that season.

The year before, I was at the losses to Vanderbilt, Appalachian State, and Davidson.

I was in attendance 5 out of 8 non-conference losses in Cameron by the Blue Devils in the Coach K era. Dubious distinction. Can anybody here beat me?

Well, my first year of owning season tickets was 1994-1995. In my time as a student during the Bubas era, we lost only one home game (to State in 1962 season IIRC). In 1994-1995 we lost six games at home (ending 8-6 after beginning 6-0) and were 2-14 in the ACC.

[Olympic Fan]

Well, my first year of owning season tickets was 1994-1995. In my time as a student during the Bubas era, we lost only one home game (to State in 1962 season IIRC). In 1994-1995 we lost six games at home (ending 8-6 after beginning 6-0) and were 2-14 in the ACC.

Interesting ... I looked up Bubas' record at Cameron (which was called Duke Indoor Stadium during his tenure). He was 5-4 his first season, then went 40-1 the next four years (as Sage suggests, the one loss was to NC State in 1962 ... interesting note about that loss -- State won 61-60 on a late shot by senior guard Jon Speaks, who was the last great State player recruited by Bubas when he was a Case assistant. He was also a high school classmate of Duke's Jeff Mullins. Speaks was tragically killed in a traffic accident in the spring of his senior year).

Bubas finished his run with 88-13 home record. He had a better home win percentage in ACC play than Coach K or Dean Smith, Actually, he started 5-4 and finished 6-4 -- so in the eight years in between, he was an amazing 77-5 at home.

K's best run came in the last year's of the 20th century and the first years of this century -- a 125-7 run between 1998-2006. He's had 11 unbeaten seasons in Cameron (never more than two in a row) and eight seasons with one loss.

[Bostondevil]

Probably, I was there for his two 17 loss seasons, but also his first season. It looks like we overlapped by 2 years, Bostondevil. I wonder if we knew each other?

My freshman year roommate played trumpet.

[Bostondevil]

If you really think you deserve to be beat for your role in the losses, sure I can do it.

I suppose what I really meant to say was, are there any regular posters on DBR who attended more non-conference losses during the Coach K era than I did. duke84, BandAlum83, and I had better shots at it than most because we were students during the 2 seasons where 5 of those losses occurred - but - the Wagner College loss in January of 1983 was over the holiday break and there were less than 5000 people in attendance in total and really, not many students.

[Indoor66]

I suppose what I really meant to say was, are there any regular posters on DBR who attended more non-conference losses during the Coach K era than I did. duke84, BandAlum83, and I had better shots at it than most because we were students during the 2 seasons where 5 of those losses occurred - but - the Wagner College loss in January of 1983 was over the holiday break and there were less than 5000 people in attendance in total and really, not many students.

Now, that is a record with out distinction and one I do not want!:mad::p:cool:

[Bostondevil]

Now, that is a record with out distinction and one I do not want!:mad::p:cool:

I agree. I wasn't bragging. I was feeling sorry for myself. With good reason.

[BandAlum83]

I agree. I wasn't bragging. I was feeling sorry for myself. With good reason.

At least my freshman year we were ranked #1. Two years in a row we were in the Elite 8. First, in the NCAA, next in the NIT. Ironically, both times we lost to Perdue. They ruined 2 final 4 trips for me. :(

The next 2 years were the 10 and 11 win seasons, but those teams were fun to watch learn. Johnny Dawkins with the steal and layup!

[devilirium]

Side bar to this convo, but I can think of several non-ranked teams that came awfully close to ending that streak. DePaul (I believe that Nick Horvath, then a frosh, hit a 3 to put us up inside 20 seconds), Belmont (Andre Dawkins), VT (Dockery shot), Vermont (an under .500 team that hit the go ahead shot a tick after the buzzer), Rhode Island (Surviving Billy Baron), Clemson with Boogie McIntyre. Duke has had a number of close calls. I probably haven't named all the notable ones.

[Olympic Fan]

Side bar to this convo, but I can think of several non-ranked teams that came awfully close to ending that streak. DePaul (I believe that Nick Horvath, then a frosh, hit a 3 to put us up inside 20 seconds), Belmont (Andre Dawkins), VT (Dockery shot), Vermont (an under .500 team that hit the go ahead shot a tick after the buzzer), Rhode Island (Surviving Billy Baron), Clemson with Boogie McIntyre. Duke has had a number of close calls. I probably haven't named all the notable ones.

Both the Dockery-VPI game and the McIntyre Clemson game were conference games, so they had no impact on the streak.

The Nick Horvath-DePaul game was Dec. 4, 1999 -- two months BEFORE the St. John's loss later that season which is the start-point for the streak. And FWIW, DePaul was ranked No. 22 that day.

[devilirium]

Thanks, OLympic. I gt off the reservation somewhat and started focusing on just the unranked part.

Re DePaul. We had a tough time wih Quentin Richardson that day.

[Olympic Fan]

Thanks, OLympic. I gt off the reservation somewhat and started focusing on just the unranked part.

Re DePaul. We had a tough time wih Quentin Richardson that day.

I was not sure where you were going with the Unranked comment.

Duke has lost its share -- even at home -- to unranked oppenents.

Neither Notre Dame or Syracuse was ranked when they beat Duke in Cameron last season.

And Miami was unranked when the Devils lost to the Cames in Cameron in 2015.

The 2014, for all its failings, was 17-0 at home (although it did have that terrifyingly close call to Vermont.

Duke has lost its share to unranked teams in Cameron over the years -- but always to unranked ACC opponents. St. John's was unranked when the Redmen (their old nickname) started the non-conference streak with their 2000 win in Cameron.

[devilirium]

Was trying to list unranked non-conference close calls, but yes I delved into the ACC a bit (I had forgotten for a moment that VT was in the conference at that time).

Will vie for greater accuracy in the future.

[Edouble]

Duke has lost its share to unranked teams in Cameron over the years -- but always to unranked ACC opponents. St. John's was unranked when the Redmen (their old nickname) started the non-conference streak with their 2000 win in Cameron.

St. John's dropped Redmen in 1993 and became the Red Storm in 1994.

[jimsumner]

I suppose what I really meant to say was, are there any regular posters on DBR who attended more non-conference losses during the Coach K era than I did. duke84, BandAlum83, and I had better shots at it than most because we were students during the 2 seasons where 5 of those losses occurred - but - the Wagner College loss in January of 1983 was over the holiday break and there were less than 5000 people in attendance in total and really, not many students.

I attended them all. Wagner, App State, Vanderbilt, the Louisville blow-out. Every single last one.

A story about the App. State loss.

The morning after that game, the phone rang in the California home of Duke target Jay Bilas. His mother answered.

"Mrs. Bilas, have you ever heard of Appalachian State?"

"Why, no I haven't. Who are they?"

"They're the team that beat Duke last night."

It was an assistant coach at another school recruiting Bilas. Bilas won't tell me which one except that it was NOT UCLA.

Lot of water under the bridge since then.

I decided to do the math. I have been in DIS/CIS for 12 Duke non-conference losses, the first to Rudy Tomjanovich and Michigan in December 1968 and the most recent to St. John's in 2000.

[Tripping William]

I attended them all. Wagner, App State, Vanderbilt, the Louisville blow-out. Every single last one.

A story about the App. State loss.

The morning after that game, the phone rang in the California home of Duke target Jay Bilas. His mother answered.

"Mrs. Bilas, have you ever heard of Appalachian State?"

"Why, no I haven't. Who are they?"

"They're the team that beat Duke last night."

It was an assistant coach at another school recruiting Bilas. Bilas won't tell me which one except that it was NOT UCLA.

Lot of water under the bridge since then.

I decided to do the math. I have been in DIS/CIS for 12 Duke non-conference losses, the first to Rudy Tomjanovich and Michigan in December 1968 and the most recent to St. John's in 2000.

May you live for many more decades ..... and never attend another. :)

[brevity]

A story about the App. State loss.

The morning after that game, the phone rang in the California home of Duke target Jay Bilas. His mother answered.

"Mrs. Bilas, have you ever heard of Appalachian State?"

"Why, no I haven't. Who are they?"

"They're the team that beat Duke last night."

It was an assistant coach at another school recruiting Bilas. Bilas won't tell me which one except that it was NOT UCLA.

I am (probably) not Mrs. Bilas, but I would have replied, "Well, clearly, Duke needs my son. Thank you for telling me."

Give me a salesperson and I will find a way to make them regret talking to me, regret waking up that morning, and want to crawl into a corner and die. I don't understand that assistant coach's strategy at all.

[jimsumner]

May you live for many more decades .... and never attend another. :)

I can live with that. No pun intended.

Trivia question. There is one non-ACC team with two wins at Duke in the last 50 years.

Can anyone name that team?

[Tripping William]

I can live with that. No pun intended.

Trivia question. There is one non-ACC team with two wins at Duke in the last 50 years.

Can anyone name that team?

Well, if you attended the Tomjanovich loss in December '68 and the Tractor Traylor thing in 1996, it must be those damn Wolverines (a/k/a Skunk Bears). The Wiki tells me they also won in Durham in December 1964.

[BLPOG]

I can live with that. No pun intended.

Trivia question. There is one non-ACC team with two wins at Duke in the last 50 years.

Can anyone name that team?

Presumably you mean a team with exactly two wins there that was non-ACC at the time?

[Olympic Fan]

Presumably you mean a team with exactly two wins there that was non-ACC at the time?

Well, if you are trying to count Maryland -- the Terps did win 12 times in Cameron between 1967 and 2014 (the last time they played in Cameron). But those were all ACC wins.

None of the ACC newcomers won twice in Cameron in 50 years before joining the ACC -- not Pitt (which in in Durham in 1938 and 1941 and 1979), BC, Miami, VPI, Louisville or Notre Dame (the Irish have NEVER won in Durham in seven tries). Not Georgia Tech or FSU. And not South Carolina since leaving the ACC.

I think Trippin William got it right -- Michigan is the only school with two non-conference wins at Duke in the last 50 years.

[DU82]

None of the ACC newcomers won twice in Cameron in 50 years before joining the ACC -- not Pitt (which in in Durham in 1938 and 1941 and 1979), BC, Miami, VPI, Louisville or Notre Dame (the Irish have NEVER won in Durham in seven tries). Not Georgia Tech or FSU. And not South Carolina since leaving the ACC.


As much as I'd like to block out ND's last game in Cameron, unfortunately it still counts. (We did win the seven home non-conference games, which is what you may have meant.)

Also, George Washington has beaten us four times at home. The first three appear to be Southern Conference games.

[Olympic Fan]

As much as I'd like to block out ND's last game in Cameron, unfortunately it still counts. (We did win the seven home non-conference games, which is what you may have meant.)

Also, George Washington has beaten us four times at home. The first three appear to be Southern Conference games.

Oops, I also blocked out Notre Dame's win last year. Mea culpa.

But none of George Washington's four wins were within the last 50 years (the last win in Durham was 1954). Heck, Davidson also has at least four wins in Durham -- and one of those (1981) was in the last 50 years.

Go back far enough and you can find a lot of teams that won in Durham -- for instance, Elon probably won here in 1915 (no site given for the two games that year, but Elon won both and during that decade, Duke usually played Elon home and away). The Durham YMCA beat Duke several times at Duke during the early 1920s. I don't see where raking up George Washington's old wins is relevant.

[DU82]

Oops, I also blocked out Notre Dame's win last year. Mea culpa.

But none of George Washington's four wins were within the last 50 years (the last win in Durham was 1954). Heck, Davidson also has at least four wins in Durham -- and one of those (1981) was in the last 50 years.

Go back far enough and you can find a lot of teams that won in Durham -- for instance, Elon probably won here in 1915 (no site given for the two games that year, but Elon won both and during that decade, Duke usually played Elon home and away). The Durham YMCA beat Duke several times at Duke during the early 1920s. I don't see where raking up George Washington's old wins is relevant.

My own mea culpa, I thought the question was if any non-conference teams had beaten us in Cameron more than once, not if any had done that in the last 50 years. (I'm guessing your source is the same as mine, the 2016-17 media guide.)

[Olympic Fan]

My own mea culpa, I thought the question was if any non-conference teams had beaten us in Cameron more than once, not if any had done that in the last 50 years. (I'm guessing your source is the same as mine, the 2016-17 media guide.)

Actually, I temporarily misplaced by 2016-17 guide, but the 2015-16 guide was right there, so that's what I used -- which explains why I blacked-out on the 2016 Notre Dame win in Cameron.

[DU82]

Actually, I temporarily misplaced by 2016-17 guide, but the 2015-16 guide was right there, so that's what I used -- which explains why I blacked-out on the 2016 Notre Dame win in Cameron.

It's downloadable (I'm guessing you have a printed copy)...

http://www.goduke.com/fls/4200/media-guides/mbb/2016-17/2016-17_Duke_MBB_Media_Guide.pdf

[jimsumner]

Michigan 90 Duke 80, December 9, 1968.

Michigan 62 Duke 61, December 8, 1996.

The 1968 loss was interesting in a number of respects.

This was Bubas' last season as a coach. Duke started the season ranked 17th in the AP poll. After three impressive opening wins, Duke jumped to ninth.

Freshman Jim Sumner settled down for four years of hoops dominance.

Right.

The loss to Michigan would have dropped Duke out of the top 10. A home loss to East Tennessee State a few days later knocked Duke out of the top 20--it was only 20 in those days.

Bucky Waters got Duke barely back in the top 20 a couple of times but Duke didn't get back into the top 10 until 1978.

Tomjanovich had 29 points and 12 rebounds. Rudy T is best known today for being on the wrong end of Kermit Washington's infamous punch but he was one heck of a player, 6-8, 230 or so, tough as nails inside but could shoot like a guard.

But that team also had a player named Dan Fife. A generation later Duke unsuccessfully recruited his son Dane, who helped Indiana end Duke's 2002 season.

Dan Fife also pitched a couple of years for the Twins before becoming a successful high-school coach. Dane played for him and is now an assistant for Tom Izzo at MSU.

[House P]

I think this thread is begging Kedsy to do a season-by-season analysis of home wins v. kenpom!

<ducks, covers>

-jk

I am not Kedsy and you had to wait 11 months, but you might still find the following of interest.

Inevitably, Duke’s 132 game home winning streak against non-conference opponents will be brought up during the Elon broadcast. Last year, it was noted in this thread and elsewhere that Duke has beaten 9 ranked and 123 unranked opponents during the streak. Of course, some unranked opponents are stronger than others, so JK’s post inspired me to look at the final KenPom ratings of Duke’s non-conference home opponents during the streak.

KenPom ratings only go back to the 2001-02 season and Duke’s streak extends back to the 2000-01 season, so I used the final Sagarin ratings for the 2000-01 season.

Here is a summary of what I found. During the 132 game home winning streak vs non-conference opponents, Duke is

4-0 with an average margin of victory of 11.3 points vs teams that finished the year in the KenPom’s top 10.
9-0 with an average margin of 11.2 points vs teams that finished in the top 25.
18-0 with an average margin of 12.4 points vs teams that finished in the top 50.
29-0 with an average margin of 13.5 points vs teams that finished in the top 75.
47-0 with an average margin of 17.2 points vs teams that finished in the top 100.
71-0 with an average margin of 20.1 points vs teams that finished in the top 150.
91-0 with an average margin of 22.0 points vs teams that finished in top the 200
41-0 with an average margin of 37.8 points vs teams that finished with a ranking greater than 200.

To me, the most impressive stat is Duke’s 47-0 record (and 17.2 point margin of victory) vs teams that finished the season in the top 100. Top 100 teams are generally NCAA/NIT tourney teams which should be capable of occasionally winning road games against top level competition. So winning 47 straight games against this level competition is pretty impressive.

Put another way, a 47 game winning streak against quality competition is roughly the equivalent of an entire undefeated college season!

Here is a list of all 132 games.




Year
Opponent
Rank
Result
Margin


2006-07
Georgetown
4
W, 61-52
9


2007-08
Wisconsin
5
W, 82-58
24


2004-05
Michigan St.
5
W, 81-74
7


2012-13
Ohio St.
7
W, 73-68
5


2015-16
Indiana
11
W, 94-74
20


2000-01
Boston College
11
W, 97-75
22


2013-14
Michigan
12
W, 79-69
10


2006-07
Indiana
14
W, 54-51
3


2011-12
Belmont
25
W, 77-76
1


2008-09
Georgetown
31
W, 76-67
9


2002-03
Butler
31
W, 80-60
20


2010-11
Temple
34
W, 78-61
17


2002-03
Georgetown
35
W, 93-86
7


2016-17
Michigan St.
40
W, 78-69
9


2002-03
Dayton
40
W, 85-74
11


2010-11
Michigan St.
45
W, 84-79
5


2015-16
Yale
46
W, 80-61
19


2001-02
Temple
48
W, 82-57
25


2005-06
Bucknell
56
W, 84-50
34


2008-09
Rhode Island
61
W, 82-79
3


2006-07
Davidson
61
W, 75-47
28


2002-03
Michigan
61
W, 81-59
22


2008-09
Davidson
64
W, 79-67
12


2010-11
UAB
65
W, 85-64
21


2009-10
St. John's
67
W, 80-71
9


2011-12
Davidson
70
W, 82-69
13


2000-01
Villanova
70
W, 98-85
13


2001-02
San Diego St.
74
W, 92-79
13


2013-14
Vermont
75
W, 91-90
1


2012-13
Santa Clara
76
W, 90-77
13


2001-02
St. John's
76
W, 97-55
42


2010-11
Princeton
79
W, 97-60
37


2003-04
Detroit
79
W, 67-56
11


2006-07
Kent St.
81
W, 79-72
7


2009-10
Tulsa
83
W, 70-52
18


2004-05
Temple
84
W, 82-74
8


2008-09
Duquesne
85
W, 95-72
23


2005-06
Seton Hall
87
W, 93-40
53


2014-15
Toledo
88
W, 86-69
17


2011-12
Colorado St.
88
W, 87-64
23


2004-05
Toledo
88
W, 82-54
28


2006-07
George Mason
89
W, 69-53
16


2006-07
Holy Cross
95
W, 57-45
12


2014-15
Wofford
96
W, 84-55
29


2009-10
Charlotte
96
W, 101-59
42


2005-06
Penn
97
W, 72-59
13


2007-08
New Mexico St.
99
W, 86-61
25


2012-13
Florida Gulf Coast
105
W, 88-67
21


2003-04
Fairfield
106
W, 99-58
41


2015-16
Long Beach St.
107
W, 103-81
22


2003-04
Princeton
108
W, 69-51
18


2005-06
St. John's
115
W, 70-57
13


2005-06
Davidson
122
W, 84-55
29


2013-14
Davidson
123
W, 111-77
34


2007-08
Cornell
124
W, 81-67
14


2015-16
Siena
128
W, 92-74
18


2010-11
Saint Louis
129
W, 84-47
37


2006-07
Temple
131
W, 73-55
18


2016-17
William & Mary
133
W, 88-67
21


2015-16
Utah St.
134
W, 85-52
33


2000-01
Michigan
134
W, 104-61
43


2013-14
Eastern Michigan
136
W, 82-59
23


2004-05
Illinois Chicago
136
W, 88-55
33


2015-16
Buffalo
138
W, 82-59
23


2007-08
Michigan
138
W, 95-67
28


2003-04
Davidson
138
W, 88-54
34


2011-12
Penn
139
W, 85-55
30


2007-08
St. John's
140
W, 86-56
30


2004-05
Princeton
141
W, 59-46
13


2002-03
Davidson
143
W, 95-80
15


2009-10
Coastal Carolina
148
W, 74-49
25


2016-17
Grand Canyon
152
W, 96-61
35


2003-04
Valparaiso
152
W, 97-63
34


2000-01
Princeton
153
W, 87-50
37


2009-10
Long Beach St.
154
W, 84-63
21


2002-03
Fairfield
155
W, 86-58
28


2011-12
St. John's
157
W, 83-76
7


2015-16
Elon
159
W, 105-66
39


2016-17
Tennessee St.
160
W, 65-55
10


2003-04
Portland
163
W, 84-43
41


2006-07
UNC Greensboro
164
W, 75-48
27


2012-13
Delaware
166
W, 88-50
38


2011-12
Western Michigan
169
W, 110-70
40


2008-09
Montana
171
W, 78-58
20


2007-08
Albany
176
W, 111-70
41


2005-06
Valparaiso
176
W, 104-77
27


2010-11
Miami OH
187
W, 79-45
34


2012-13
Georgia St.
188
W, 74-55
19


2010-11
Bradley
193
W, 83-48
35


2003-04
St. John's
197
W, 79-58
21


2006-07
Georgia Southern
199
W, 72-48
24


2005-06
Boston University
203
W, 64-47
17


2012-13
Elon
206
W, 76-54
22


2006-07
Columbia
208
W, 86-43
43


2004-05
UNC Greensboro
208
W, 98-44
54


2015-16
Georgia Southern
210
W, 99-65
34


2009-10
Radford
218
W, 104-67
37


2008-09
Loyola MD
221
W, 92-51
41


2006-07
San Jose St.
233
W, 70-51
19


2013-14
UNC Asheville
235
W, 91-55
36


2000-01
Davidson
237
W, 102-60
42


2013-14
East Carolina
238
W, 83-74
9


2010-11
Elon
240
W, 98-72
26


2013-14
Florida Atlantic
244
W, 97-64
33


2013-14
Gardner Webb
248
W, 85-66
19


2014-15
Elon
249
W, 75-62
13


2011-12
Presbyterian
251
W, 96-55
41


2014-15
Army
253
W, 93-73
20


2009-10
UNC Greensboro
253
W, 96-62
34


2008-09
Presbyterian
256
W, 80-49
31


2001-02
Portland
258
W, 104-62
42


2012-13
Cornell
261
W, 88-47
41


2008-09
UNC Asheville
263
W, 99-56
43


2000-01
North Carolina A&T
268
W, 108-73
35


2001-02
North Carolina A&T
271
W, 93-51
42


2016-17
Appalachian St.
274
W, 93-58
35


2007-08
Eastern Kentucky
278
W, 78-43
35


2011-12
UNC Greensboro
280
W, 90-63
27


2014-15
Fairfield
296
W, 109-59
50


2004-05
Tennessee Martin
304
W, 88-46
42


2000-01
Army
305
W, 91-48
43


2008-09
Georgia Southern
307
W, 97-54
43


2009-10
Penn
308
W, 114-55
59


2014-15
Furman
309
W, 93-54
39


2016-17
Marist
312
W, 94-49
45


2010-11
Colgate
314
W, 110-58
52


2002-03
Army
323
W, 101-53
48


2014-15
Presbyterian
326
W, 113-44
69


2009-10
Gardner Webb
332
W, 113-68
45


2007-08
North Carolina Central
335
W, 121-56
65


2016-17
Maine
337
W, 94-55
39


2015-16
Bryant
346
W, 113-75
38

[COYS]

I am not Kedsy and you had to wait 11 months, but you might still find the following of interest.

Inevitably, Duke’s 132 game home winning streak against non-conference opponents will be brought up during the Elon broadcast. Last year, it was noted in this thread and elsewhere that Duke has beaten 9 ranked and 123 unranked opponents during the streak. Of course, some unranked opponents are stronger than others, so JK’s post inspired me to look at the final KenPom ratings of Duke’s non-conference home opponents during the streak.

KenPom ratings only go back to the 2001-02 season and Duke’s streak extends back to the 2000-01 season, so I used the final Sagarin ratings for the 2000-01 season.

Here is a summary of what I found. During the 132 game home winning streak vs non-conference opponents, Duke is

4-0 with an average margin of victory of 11.3 points vs teams that finished the year in the KenPom’s top 10.
9-0 with an average margin of 11.2 points vs teams that finished in the top 25.
18-0 with an average margin of 12.4 points vs teams that finished in the top 50.
29-0 with an average margin of 13.5 points vs teams that finished in the top 75.
47-0 with an average margin of 17.2 points vs teams that finished in the top 100.
71-0 with an average margin of 20.1 points vs teams that finished in the top 150.
91-0 with an average margin of 22.0 points vs teams that finished in top the 200
41-0 with an average margin of 37.8 points vs teams that finished with a ranking greater than 200.

To me, the most impressive stat is Duke’s 47-0 record (and 17.2 point margin of victory) vs teams that finished the season in the top 100. Top 100 teams are generally NCAA/NIT tourney teams which should be capable of occasionally winning road games against top level competition. So winning 47 straight games against this level competition is pretty impressive.

Put another way, a 47 game winning streak against quality competition is roughly the equivalent of an entire undefeated college season!

Here is a list of all 132 games.




Year
Opponent
Rank
Result
Margin


2006-07
Georgetown
4
W, 61-52
9


2007-08
Wisconsin
5
W, 82-58
24


2004-05
Michigan St.
5
W, 81-74
7


2012-13
Ohio St.
7
W, 73-68
5


2015-16
Indiana
11
W, 94-74
20


2000-01
Boston College
11
W, 97-75
22


2013-14
Michigan
12
W, 79-69
10


2006-07
Indiana
14
W, 54-51
3


2011-12
Belmont
25
W, 77-76
1


2008-09
Georgetown
31
W, 76-67
9


2002-03
Butler
31
W, 80-60
20


2010-11
Temple
34
W, 78-61
17


2002-03
Georgetown
35
W, 93-86
7


2016-17
Michigan St.
40
W, 78-69
9


2002-03
Dayton
40
W, 85-74
11


2010-11
Michigan St.
45
W, 84-79
5


2015-16
Yale
46
W, 80-61
19


2001-02
Temple
48
W, 82-57
25


2005-06
Bucknell
56
W, 84-50
34


2008-09
Rhode Island
61
W, 82-79
3


2006-07
Davidson
61
W, 75-47
28


2002-03
Michigan
61
W, 81-59
22


2008-09
Davidson
64
W, 79-67
12


2010-11
UAB
65
W, 85-64
21


2009-10
St. John's
67
W, 80-71
9


2011-12
Davidson
70
W, 82-69
13


2000-01
Villanova
70
W, 98-85
13


2001-02
San Diego St.
74
W, 92-79
13


2013-14
Vermont
75
W, 91-90
1


2012-13
Santa Clara
76
W, 90-77
13


2001-02
St. John's
76
W, 97-55
42


2010-11
Princeton
79
W, 97-60
37


2003-04
Detroit
79
W, 67-56
11


2006-07
Kent St.
81
W, 79-72
7


2009-10
Tulsa
83
W, 70-52
18


2004-05
Temple
84
W, 82-74
8


2008-09
Duquesne
85
W, 95-72
23


2005-06
Seton Hall
87
W, 93-40
53


2014-15
Toledo
88
W, 86-69
17


2011-12
Colorado St.
88
W, 87-64
23


2004-05
Toledo
88
W, 82-54
28


2006-07
George Mason
89
W, 69-53
16


2006-07
Holy Cross
95
W, 57-45
12


2014-15
Wofford
96
W, 84-55
29


2009-10
Charlotte
96
W, 101-59
42


2005-06
Penn
97
W, 72-59
13


2007-08
New Mexico St.
99
W, 86-61
25


2012-13
Florida Gulf Coast
105
W, 88-67
21


2003-04
Fairfield
106
W, 99-58
41


2015-16
Long Beach St.
107
W, 103-81
22


2003-04
Princeton
108
W, 69-51
18


2005-06
St. John's
115
W, 70-57
13


2005-06
Davidson
122
W, 84-55
29


2013-14
Davidson
123
W, 111-77
34


2007-08
Cornell
124
W, 81-67
14


2015-16
Siena
128
W, 92-74
18


2010-11
Saint Louis
129
W, 84-47
37


2006-07
Temple
131
W, 73-55
18


2016-17
William & Mary
133
W, 88-67
21


2015-16
Utah St.
134
W, 85-52
33


2000-01
Michigan
134
W, 104-61
43


2013-14
Eastern Michigan
136
W, 82-59
23


2004-05
Illinois Chicago
136
W, 88-55
33


2015-16
Buffalo
138
W, 82-59
23


2007-08
Michigan
138
W, 95-67
28


2003-04
Davidson
138
W, 88-54
34


2011-12
Penn
139
W, 85-55
30


2007-08
St. John's
140
W, 86-56
30


2004-05
Princeton
141
W, 59-46
13


2002-03
Davidson
143
W, 95-80
15


2009-10
Coastal Carolina
148
W, 74-49
25


2016-17
Grand Canyon
152
W, 96-61
35


2003-04
Valparaiso
152
W, 97-63
34


2000-01
Princeton
153
W, 87-50
37


2009-10
Long Beach St.
154
W, 84-63
21


2002-03
Fairfield
155
W, 86-58
28


2011-12
St. John's
157
W, 83-76
7


2015-16
Elon
159
W, 105-66
39


2016-17
Tennessee St.
160
W, 65-55
10


2003-04
Portland
163
W, 84-43
41


2006-07
UNC Greensboro
164
W, 75-48
27


2012-13
Delaware
166
W, 88-50
38


2011-12
Western Michigan
169
W, 110-70
40


2008-09
Montana
171
W, 78-58
20


2007-08
Albany
176
W, 111-70
41


2005-06
Valparaiso
176
W, 104-77
27


2010-11
Miami OH
187
W, 79-45
34


2012-13
Georgia St.
188
W, 74-55
19


2010-11
Bradley
193
W, 83-48
35


2003-04
St. John's
197
W, 79-58
21


2006-07
Georgia Southern
199
W, 72-48
24


2005-06
Boston University
203
W, 64-47
17


2012-13
Elon
206
W, 76-54
22


2006-07
Columbia
208
W, 86-43
43


2004-05
UNC Greensboro
208
W, 98-44
54


2015-16
Georgia Southern
210
W, 99-65
34


2009-10
Radford
218
W, 104-67
37


2008-09
Loyola MD
221
W, 92-51
41


2006-07
San Jose St.
233
W, 70-51
19


2013-14
UNC Asheville
235
W, 91-55
36


2000-01
Davidson
237
W, 102-60
42


2013-14
East Carolina
238
W, 83-74
9


2010-11
Elon
240
W, 98-72
26


2013-14
Florida Atlantic
244
W, 97-64
33


2013-14
Gardner Webb
248
W, 85-66
19


2014-15
Elon
249
W, 75-62
13


2011-12
Presbyterian
251
W, 96-55
41


2014-15
Army
253
W, 93-73
20


2009-10
UNC Greensboro
253
W, 96-62
34


2008-09
Presbyterian
256
W, 80-49
31


2001-02
Portland
258
W, 104-62
42


2012-13
Cornell
261
W, 88-47
41


2008-09
UNC Asheville
263
W, 99-56
43


2000-01
North Carolina A&T
268
W, 108-73
35


2001-02
North Carolina A&T
271
W, 93-51
42


2016-17
Appalachian St.
274
W, 93-58
35


2007-08
Eastern Kentucky
278
W, 78-43
35


2011-12
UNC Greensboro
280
W, 90-63
27


2014-15
Fairfield
296
W, 109-59
50


2004-05
Tennessee Martin
304
W, 88-46
42


2000-01
Army
305
W, 91-48
43


2008-09
Georgia Southern
307
W, 97-54
43


2009-10
Penn
308
W, 114-55
59


2014-15
Furman
309
W, 93-54
39


2016-17
Marist
312
W, 94-49
45


2010-11
Colgate
314
W, 110-58
52


2002-03
Army
323
W, 101-53
48


2014-15
Presbyterian
326
W, 113-44
69


2009-10
Gardner Webb
332
W, 113-68
45


2007-08
North Carolina Central
335
W, 121-56
65


2016-17
Maine
337
W, 94-55
39


2015-16
Bryant
346
W, 113-75
38





Fantastic research. Thanks for sharing! (also, I'm knocking on the nearest door frame because, well, sports superstitions are fun).

Interesting to note that Vermont, Rhode Island, and Belmont are the three teams who came the closest to pulling off the big upset.

[throatybeard]

I kind of love how many times Michigan appears in that list ranked rather low.

[BandAlum83]

Fantastic research. Thanks for sharing! (also, I'm knocking on the nearest door frame because, well, sports superstitions are fun).

Interesting to note that Vermont, Rhode Island, and Belmont are the three teams who came the closest to pulling off the big upset.

Am I missing something? Is that significant? I really don't see how that would have any interest or significance. Truly.

Nothing makes thos schools any different from the rest of the list.

[elvis14]

Am I missing something? Is that significant? I really don't see how that would have any interest or significance. Truly.

Nothing makes thos schools any different from the rest of the list.

Seriously? Three small schools that aren't exactly listed as hoops powerhouses came closer than lots of schools on that list who are very good year at basketball. So yeah, it's significant that the 3 closest games would have been historic upsets...because historic stuff is generally more significant.

[BandAlum83]

Seriously? Three small schools that aren't exactly listed as hoops powerhouses came closer than lots of schools on that list who are very good year at basketball. So yeah, it's significant that the 3 closest games would have been historic upsets...because historic stuff is generally more significant.

LOL!!! I honestly thought that maybe those were schools that caused early exits from the NCAA. You see, I put those completely out of mind as though they never happened, so maybe you were saying those were harbingers of later loses. In essence, I was being ironic. I had to look up to see who those "other" small schools were that shall go nameless here.

So now I see your point, so yeah, it's significant.

[sagegrouse]

Am I missing something? Is that significant? I really don't see how that would have any interest or significance. Truly.

Nothing makes thos schools any different from the rest of the list.

I dunno, BandAlum. Didn't K say after the Vermont game that Vermont really won this game? He didn't say that after any other game in the winning streak.

[elvis14]

LOL!!! I honestly thought that maybe those were schools that caused early exits from the NCAA. You see, I put those completely out of mind as though they never happened, so maybe you were saying those were harbingers of later loses. In essence, I was being ironic. I had to look up to see who those "other" small schools were that shall go nameless here.

So now I see your point, so yeah, it's significant.

I get it now, hope I wasn't too harsh, was just surprised.

[gray]

House P, thanks for compiling that list. Interesting stuff. So, what are the key components that allow us to achieve such an impressive win Streak? Certainly, it’s not a lack of scheduling quality opponents. We’ve had some really impressive wins during this run. Obviously, our sustained success under the tutelage of Coach K is important.

I believe that one of the most important reasons that we can create streaks of this nature has to do with Coach K’s unparalleled management of time in the early season. Most of these non-con games are early in the year when we seem to be a step ahead of the competition. I think that Coach’s early season preparation is simply a notch above other coaches. I wonder if this type of streak would be possible if we played the conference season first followed by the non-conference slate.

Also, there’s the home court factor. It’s clear that we enjoy a greater home court advantage than nearly any other college program. Can this advantage be quantified? Will we always have this advantage? I’m not certain, given how quiet the Crazies were during the Bowie State exhibition. We were never that quiet back in the day (get off my lawn).

Finally, there’s luck. I’m not statistician, but the likelihood of us compiling this streak given the odds of winning each game is quite small. Perhaps, someone could look into that.

What else is involved in this win streak?

[BandAlum83]

Some great info in this thread.