All Three Point Shooting Team [Archive]

Olympic Fan

11-03-2016, 06:50 PM

So let's do the all time 3 point shooting team, your best five.
JJ Redick
Tragan Langdon
Christian Laettner
Kyle Singler
Nolan Smith

Not even close ...

The five best 3-point shooters in Duke history (based on percentage) -- Laettner, Langdon, Curry, Battier and Dawkins (Redick was sixth)

If you go by volume, it's Redick, Langdon, Jason Williams, Jon Scheyer and Kyle Singler (Hurley sixth)

Nolan Smith doesn't make the top 10 in either list.

You can combine them anyway you want, but I think the top five would be:

1. Redick (first in volume by a wide margin; 6th in accuracy)
2. Langdon (second in volume; second in accuracy)
3. Battlier (seventh in volume; fourth in accuracy)
4. Hurley (sixth in volume; seventh in accuracy)
5. Laettner (first in accuracy, although not in top 20 of volume)

Maybe Jason Williams (3rd in volume; 11th in accuracy) or Andre Dawkins (ninth in volume; fifth in accuracy) would have a case

mattman91

11-03-2016, 06:51 PM

Shouldn't Marshall Plumlee be on here?

:cool:

Devilwin

11-03-2016, 07:16 PM

The 3 pointer came in after Dawkins graduated I believe.....:cool:

Bob Green

11-03-2016, 07:25 PM

The 3 pointer came in after Dawkins graduated I believe....:cool:

Nope. The ACC experimented with a 3 point line Dawkins' senior season.

Wahoo2000

11-03-2016, 07:29 PM

Not even close ...

The five best 3-point shooters in Duke history (based on percentage) -- Laettner, Langdon, Curry, Battier and Dawkins (Redick was sixth)

If you go by volume, it's Redick, Langdon, Jason Williams, Jon Scheyer and Kyle Singler (Hurley sixth)

Nolan Smith doesn't make the top 10 in either list.

You can combine them anyway you want, but I think the top five would be:

1. Redick (first in volume by a wide margin; 6th in accuracy)
2. Langdon (second in volume; second in accuracy)
3. Battlier (seventh in volume; fourth in accuracy)
4. Hurley (sixth in volume; seventh in accuracy)
5. Laettner (first in accuracy, although not in top 20 of volume)

Maybe Jason Williams (3rd in volume; 11th in accuracy) or Andre Dawkins (ninth in volume; fifth in accuracy) would have a case

Forget 3pt team, that's an insane team all around - Hurley running the show, Langdon and Redick on the wings filling it up, Battier keeping the defense on point, and Laettner being probably just the biggest winner/crunch-time player of the modern era (post shot clock). That's a starting 5 on a 40-0 team without a doubt. Crazy to think that they all played for duke within a 10ish year window.

-jk

11-03-2016, 07:36 PM

Nope. The ACC experimented with a 3 point line Dawkins' senior season.

'83, I think, for the experimental line. NCSU used it effectively all season, and it was a broken, playbook 3-pointer by Derrick (albeit without an actual line) that Lorenzo stuffed - he was supposed to be there for the putback, so it almost worked, but really worked!

It was a fun three line! I think pretty much every center in the ACC that year (With GaT, pre-FSU) could hit it reliably.

-jk

CameronBlue

11-03-2016, 07:49 PM

Nope. The ACC experimented with a 3 point line Dawkins' senior season.

3s of significance (top 5 + 1)

1. Hurley vs UNLV, 91 title game, cuts deficit to 2 with 2 minutes to go
2. Grayson vs U dub, cuts 9 point deficit to 6 to spark Duke's comeback for the title
3. Jayson Williams' back-to-back 3s integral to the Miracle Minute at Maryland in 2001
4. Dunleavy's trip 3s that rocked Arizona and turned the momentum clearly to Duke's advantage on its way to the 2001 title
5. Collins 3 that hits front iron and drops in to secure win at NC State

and

6. Melchionni's 3 to put Duke up by 9 against the Cheating Holes with 3 to go which SHOULD have been enough had the cheating refs not missed Daniel Ewing being hacked by cheating Jackie Manuel

Devilwin

11-03-2016, 07:50 PM

'83, I think, for the experimental line. NCSU used it effectively all season, and it was a broken, playbook 3-pointer by Derrick (albeit without an actual line) that Lorenzo stuffed - he was supposed to be there for the putback, so it almost worked, but really worked!

It was a fun three line! I think pretty much every center in the ACC that year (With GaT, pre-FSU) could hit it reliably.

-jk
You are correct. The experimental year was 83. It came back the year after Dawkins graduated. I cannot find anywhere that Dawkins shot threes.
Not trying to be a know it all, just seems I heard an announcer say it was a shame they didn't have it during his career.

MChambers

11-03-2016, 08:01 PM

Shouldn't Marshall Plumlee be on here?

:cool:

And Miles. Twin Towers with three point shooting, too!

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

11-03-2016, 08:48 PM

3s of significance (top 5 + 1)

1. Hurley vs UNLV, 91 title game, cuts deficit to 2 with 2 minutes to go
2. Grayson vs U dub, cuts 9 point deficit to 6 to spark Duke's comeback for the title

Sorry - as a former Seattle resident you can't use "U-Dub" in that context.

Olympic Fan

11-03-2016, 08:48 PM

The 3 pointer came in after Dawkins graduated I believe....:cool:

As noted ... he did have the short, experimental 3-pointer in 1983.

But, my mistake was in not being clear. The Dawkins I suggested as one of the best three-point shooters in Duke history was ANDRE Dawkins, who did finish his career as fifth in career 3-point accuracy and ninth in 3-point volume.

And he did hit two vital 3-pointers late in the first half of the 2010 NCAA regional championship game in Houston at a time when the Duke offense was staggering against Baylor. He also had great game a year later, when K earned the NCAA all-time win record.

Wander

11-03-2016, 09:12 PM

(1) Redick
(2) Langdon
(3) Battier
(4) Curry
(5) Dunleavy

Redick is the obvious top choice on the list, he's the 2nd best 3 point shooter in college basketball history behind Steph Curry. Langdon is the other Duke 3 point specialist. I think Battier easily deserves to be on the list for carving out such a successful role as a "3 and D" guy in the NBA. Curry would be ranked third in 3s at Duke if we counted his year at Liberty. Dunleavy has the most 3s in the NBA of any Duke player and also gets credit for that great stretch against Arizona in 2001.

(I admit I didn't put too much thought into the order, other than Redick as the obvious #1)

ipatent

11-03-2016, 09:15 PM

Bay Area Duke Fan

11-03-2016, 09:29 PM

Redick is the obvious top choice on the list, he's the 2nd best 3 point shooter in college basketball history behind Steph Curry.

Travis Bader of Oakland U. is the NCAA Division I leader in 3 pointers, and JJ is #2. Steph is 8th on that list.

The list of top 3 point % shooters includes Steph at #9, JJ at #11, and Bader at #12, with Kyle Korver (Creighton) at #1.

UrinalCake

11-03-2016, 09:34 PM

The Dawkins I suggested as one of the best three-point shooters in Duke history was ANDRE Dawkins, who did finish his career as fifth in career 3-point accuracy and ninth in 3-point volume.

I am shocked that he is that high on the career list of total three pointers. He was an amazing shooter but that was really the only skill he possessed, as he seemed uninterested on defense and didn't seem to want to even move without the ball on offense. For that reason he never seemed to get more than 20 or so minutes a game, and of course he played very little his freshman year when he came early. Good kid but always seemed like a bit of a wasted talent to me.

With that said, I do think he belongs on this list because my criteria would be the guys you want taking a three with the game on the line. Not necessarily the guys with the best career numbers. I would also give bonus points to the guys with the best LOOKING shots, because that matters to me (at least within the context of this discussion).

So I'd go with

Andre Dawkins
Redick
Langdon
Laettner
Tyus Jones

Jones makes the list because even though his season average was a good-but-not-great 37.9%, he obviously proved that in pressure moments he was money from deep.

oakvillebluedevil

11-03-2016, 09:36 PM

3s of significance (top 5 + 1)

1. Hurley vs UNLV, 91 title game, cuts deficit to 2 with 2 minutes to go
2. Grayson vs U dub, cuts 9 point deficit to 6 to spark Duke's comeback for the title
3. Jayson Williams' back-to-back 3s integral to the Miracle Minute at Maryland in 2001
4. Dunleavy's trip 3s that rocked Arizona and turned the momentum clearly to Duke's advantage on its way to the 2001 title
5. Collins 3 that hits front iron and drops in to secure win at NC State

and

6. Melchionni's 3 to put Duke up by 9 against the Cheating Holes with 3 to go which SHOULD have been enough had the cheating refs not missed Daniel Ewing being hacked by cheating Jackie Manuel

I can think of another one that might be worth adding :D:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHtgiRDWbQ

CameronBlue

11-03-2016, 09:41 PM

I can think of another one that might be worth adding :D:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHtgiRDWbQ

Yeah I sort of puddled myself on that one. Amazing testament though to the success of the program that it's an almost forgivable sin to overlook Rivers' 3.

Wander

11-03-2016, 09:45 PM

Travis Bader of Oakland U. is the NCAA Division I leader in 3 pointers, and JJ is #2. Steph is 8th on that list.

The list of top 3 point % shooters includes Steph at #9, JJ at #11, and Bader at #12, with Kyle Korver (Creighton) at #1.

I was careful to say "best" and not "most" or "highest percentage." No one is even close to Curry. And I'd argue that the gap between Redick at 2 and whoever is at number 3 (maybe Korver) is also pretty sizeable.

sagegrouse

11-03-2016, 10:00 PM

Chip Engelland didn't have the three point line his whole four years, and not the same distance as today's when he had it, but he was among the very best shooters in team history.

Chris Collins, Kevin Strickland also not mentioned yet.

Chip Engelland was 41 for 74 in the "experimental" three-point year, which is 55.4 percent. His career field goal percentage was 51.8 percent on a 9.1 PPG. As I looked at his bio, he went to Pacific Palisades HS, which was down the street from where I lived when he was a grade schooler. Part of his cred is that he has made his living as a shooting coach:
1999–2000 Detroit Pistons (assistant)
2003–2005 Denver Nuggets (assistant)
2005–present San Antonio Spurs (assistant)

Another guy that deserves mention as a sharpshooter is Bob Verga, whose 22 PPG was produced on a 49.0 percent field goal percentage -- a bunch of those from way downtown. I remember his line-drive shots that seemed to go in with a high percentage. Bob is the most distinguished four-year Dukie whose jersey is NOT retired. He was consensus first-team All-American in 1967 and consensus second-team in 1966. Bob is one untimely case of flu away from not only having his jersey retired but also from having a statue in front of Cameron. He was sick as a dog in the national semis against Pat Riley's Kentucky team in 1966, and Duke lost by four when Verga scored only four points (vs. 22 and 21 in the first two NCAA tournament games). Texas Western won in a historical victory, but I truly believed Duke would have prevailed. Verga was the star of the team, along with Jack Marin and Mike Lewis (and Stevie Vacendak).

Tappan Zee Devil

11-03-2016, 10:31 PM

Chip Engelland was 41 for 74 in the "experimental" three-point year, which is 55.4 percent. His career field goal percentage was 51.8 percent on a 9.1 PPG. As I looked at his bio, he went to Pacific Palisades HS, which was down the street from where I lived when he was a grade schooler. Part of his cred is that he has made his living as a shooting coach:
1999–2000 Detroit Pistons (assistant)
2003–2005 Denver Nuggets (assistant)
2005–present San Antonio Spurs (assistant)

Another guy that deserves mention as a sharpshooter is Bob Verga, whose 22 PPG was produced on a 49.0 percent field goal percentage -- a bunch of those from way downtown. I remember his line-drive shots that seemed to go in with a high percentage. Bob is the most distinguished four-year Dukie whose jersey is NOT retired. He was consensus first-team All-American in 1967 and consensus second-team in 1966. Bob is one untimely case of flu away from not only having his jersey retired but also from having a statue in front of Cameron. He was sick as a dog in the national semis against Pat Riley's Kentucky team in 1966, and Duke lost by four when Verga scored only four points (vs. 22 and 21 in the first two NCAA tournament games). Texas Western won in a historical victory, but I truly believed Duke would have prevailed. Verga was the star of the team, along with Jack Marin and Mike Lewis (and Stevie Vacendak).

gotta agree
I overlapped a year with Verga and he was the most fantastic long-distance shooter I have ever seen.

jv001

11-04-2016, 08:39 AM

gotta agree
I overlapped a year with Verga and he was the most fantastic long-distance shooter I have ever seen.

I agree with you and Sage that Verga was one of the best long range shooters ever. I would put Tate Armstrong in that group that would be high on the list of 3 point shooters, as he also missed the three point shot era. Two of my all time favorites. GoDuke!

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15

11-04-2016, 08:46 AM

I can think of another one that might be worth adding :D:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYHtgiRDWbQ

Can you please post this regularly? This and the "gone in 59 seconds" videos are my two favorite non-championship moments in recent Duke history.

nmduke2001

11-04-2016, 09:37 AM

3s of significance (top 5 + 1)

1. Hurley vs UNLV, 91 title game, cuts deficit to 2 with 2 minutes to go
2. Grayson vs U dub, cuts 9 point deficit to 6 to spark Duke's comeback for the title
3. Jayson Williams' back-to-back 3s integral to the Miracle Minute at Maryland in 2001
4. Dunleavy's trip 3s that rocked Arizona and turned the momentum clearly to Duke's advantage on its way to the 2001 title
5. Collins 3 that hits front iron and drops in to secure win at NC State

and

6. Melchionni's 3 to put Duke up by 9 against the Cheating Holes with 3 to go which SHOULD have been enough had the cheating refs not missed Daniel Ewing being hacked by cheating Jackie Manuel

Andre Dawkins in the 2010 Elite Eight game against Baylor. Baylor had taken control of the game and Dre hit two three's (the second one right before half) to take momentum back. Duke doesn't win without those two shots.

CrazyNotCrazie

11-04-2016, 09:55 AM

3s of significance (top 5 + 1)

1. Hurley vs UNLV, 91 title game, cuts deficit to 2 with 2 minutes to go
2. Grayson vs U dub, cuts 9 point deficit to 6 to spark Duke's comeback for the title
3. Jayson Williams' back-to-back 3s integral to the Miracle Minute at Maryland in 2001
4. Dunleavy's trip 3s that rocked Arizona and turned the momentum clearly to Duke's advantage on its way to the 2001 title
5. Collins 3 that hits front iron and drops in to secure win at NC State

and

6. Melchionni's 3 to put Duke up by 9 against the Cheating Holes with 3 to go which SHOULD have been enough had the cheating refs not missed Daniel Ewing being hacked by cheating Jackie Manuel

I would like to add Capel's shot vs. Carolina in 1995 for consideration - we didn't end up winning the game, but given where the season was at that point and who the opponent was, it was up there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZvnJ_sngI

phaedrus

11-04-2016, 10:41 AM

3s of significance (top 5 + 1)

1. Hurley vs UNLV, 91 title game, cuts deficit to 2 with 2 minutes to go
2. Grayson vs U dub, cuts 9 point deficit to 6 to spark Duke's comeback for the title
3. Jayson Williams' back-to-back 3s integral to the Miracle Minute at Maryland in 2001
4. Dunleavy's trip 3s that rocked Arizona and turned the momentum clearly to Duke's advantage on its way to the 2001 title
5. Collins 3 that hits front iron and drops in to secure win at NC State

and

6. Melchionni's 3 to put Duke up by 9 against the Cheating Holes with 3 to go which SHOULD have been enough had the cheating refs not missed Daniel Ewing being hacked by cheating Jackie Manuel

Good sir, I must assume that this omission was inadvertent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4DnY8ksFw

And any discussion of three-point gunners is incomplete without mention of Taylor King, whose rate of three-point attempts per minute was unmatched.

CameronBlue

11-04-2016, 10:54 AM

Good sir, I must assume that this omission was inadvertent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4DnY8ksFw

And any discussion of three-point gunners is incomplete without mention of Taylor King, whose rate of three-point attempts per minute was unmatched.

Yup, I'm beginning to think the list was a really bad idea to begin with.

Indoor66

11-04-2016, 12:52 PM

Devilwin

11-04-2016, 01:45 PM

Lest we forget. Rick Katherman and Jack Marin...

grad_devil

11-04-2016, 01:56 PM

I know the numbers don't necessarily back me up, but I felt that Daniel Ewing hit as many "crucial" 3s as anyone during my fandom.

ipatent

11-04-2016, 02:22 PM

I know the numbers don't necessarily back me up, but I felt that Daniel Ewing hit as many "crucial" 3s as anyone during my fandom.

He's at the top of my list for not sufficiently heralded players.

MCFinARL

11-04-2016, 02:41 PM

3s of significance (top 5 + 1)

1. Hurley vs UNLV, 91 title game, cuts deficit to 2 with 2 minutes to go
2. Grayson vs U dub, cuts 9 point deficit to 6 to spark Duke's comeback for the title
3. Jayson Williams' back-to-back 3s integral to the Miracle Minute at Maryland in 2001
4. Dunleavy's trip 3s that rocked Arizona and turned the momentum clearly to Duke's advantage on its way to the 2001 title
5. Collins 3 that hits front iron and drops in to secure win at NC State

and

6. Melchionni's 3 to put Duke up by 9 against the Cheating Holes with 3 to go which SHOULD have been enough had the cheating refs not missed Daniel Ewing being hacked by cheating Jackie Manuel

Yet another candidate, more recent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0onr1g-y9jc

flyingdutchdevil

11-04-2016, 02:52 PM

Good sir, I must assume that this omission was inadvertent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4DnY8ksFw

And any discussion of three-point gunners is incomplete without mention of Taylor King, whose rate of three-point attempts per minute was unmatched.

Speaking of Taylor King, that is one player I did not suspect would get a sleeve: https://twitter.com/taylor_king31

Holy cow...