Jayson Tatum Foot Vigil

[SlapTheFloor]

http://duke.247sports.com/Bolt/Jayson-Tatum-injures-foot-in-Duke-practice-48509648

[Billy Dat]

WTF?????????

[SCMatt33]

Of course it's his foot.

[mattman91]

Its over.

[DukeFanSince1990]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wYoLQc-x5g

:(

[Troublemaker]

Mark Armstrong ‏@ArmstrongABC11 (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11) 11m11 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11/status/791010138123567105)
Duke tells me: "I guess Seth knows something we don't."

[Tripping William]

Mark Armstrong ‏@ArmstrongABC11 (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11) 11m11 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11/status/791010138123567105)
Duke tells me: "I guess Seth knows something we don't."


Yes: How to regularly end up on the wrong side of the bubble.

[mattman91]

Mark Armstrong ‏@ArmstrongABC11 (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11) 11m11 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11/status/791010138123567105)
Duke tells me: "I guess Seth knows something we don't."


So it isn't over?

I'm confused.

[SCMatt33]

Mark Armstrong ‏@ArmstrongABC11 (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11) 11m11 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11/status/791010138123567105)
Duke tells me: "I guess Seth knows something we don't."


Just my pessimism, but that sounds less like a denial and more like "well we still have to get tests" sort of thing. Hope I'm wrong

[SlapTheFloor]

Mark Armstrong ‏@ArmstrongABC11 (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11) 11m11 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ArmstrongABC11/status/791010138123567105)
Duke tells me: "I guess Seth knows something we don't."


You're telling me there's a chance Jayson could be ok and Seth could look like an idiot? That sounds ideal.

[Ichabod Drain]

So it isn't over?

I'm confused.

It's not the end. It's not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

[mattman91]

From Jeff Goodman:

"NBA guys raving to me about Jayson Tatum after first pro day and through today -- until injury at end. Still unclear severity of the injury."

[NashvilleDevil]

One of the players I was looking forward to watching this year. I hope it's nothing serious and will not affect him long term.

[SilkyJ]

I heard someone say early on this year (I think it was Grayson) say how happy they are hey can have full contact practices, play 5on5, etc. Half of me wishes we just wouldn't practice and save all our guys for march. Not an option, but Reminds me of living in Boston when Pats fans would want to just sit Gronk during the regular season and save him for the playoffs. He kept missing the playoffs and it arguably cost them a couple shots at the superbowl...

[duke74]

It's not the end. It's not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

Anyone who quotes Sir Winston is OK by me! Sporks!

[Billy Dat]

Seth's tweet is causing a resulting media cycle with a lot of national press picking up on it. I'll feel better when we get a real update.

[newclasspack]

Can you guys keep this injury thing on your side of the county line? at least until we finish bubble wrapping our players?

[English]

Seth's tweet is causing a resulting media cycle with a lot of national press picking up on it. I'll feel better when we get a real update.

Duke team spokesman declined comment. Jeff Goodman tweet to the effect that NBA scouts (60-70 attending Pro Day) were raving about Tatum...until the injury at the end.

Still nothing concrete. I imagine it'll take a couple of days to shake out the severity.

[JasonEvans]

Can you guys keep this injury thing on your side of the county line? at least until we finish bubble wrapping our players?

I heard Jeff Gillooly was seen over in Raleigh today. He was asking where he could find Dennis Smith. Apparently he is dating Nate Britt these days.

-Jason "I bet a solid 33% of the highly educated readers of the DBR don't know who Jeff Gillooly is" Evans

[OldPhiKap]

I heard Jeff Gillooly was seen over in Raleigh today. He was asking where he could find Dennis Smith. Apparently he is dating Nate Britt these days.

-Jason "I bet a solid 33% of the highly educated readers of the DBR don't know who Jeff Gillooly is" Evans

You mean Dennis "wwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyy mmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" Smith?

[newclasspack]

I heard Jeff Gillooly was seen over in Raleigh today. He was asking where he could find Dennis Smith. Apparently he is dating Nate Britt these days.

-Jason "I bet a solid 33% of the highly educated readers of the DBR don't know who Jeff Gillooly is" Evans+100 for the Tanya Harding reference but man that's still a scary thought.

[newclasspack]

You mean Dennis "wwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyy mmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" Smith?We currently have Dennis soaking in a bath of holy water with Tibetan Monks praying on the knee on all four sides to ward off Evil ala the Golden Child

[OldPhiKap]

As Col. Mustard once told me: "lead pipes ain't just for the conservatory"

[lotusland]

I heard Jeff Gillooly was seen over in Raleigh today. He was asking where he could find Dennis Smith. Apparently he is dating Nate Britt these days.

-Jason "I bet a solid 33% of the highly educated readers of the DBR don't know who Jeff Gillooly is" Evans

Ha - I thought Tonya Harding as soon as in saw the name. Can't think of the skater who was injured tho. For some reason I still wanted TH to win but then Laettner is my all time favorite Dukie.

[flyingdutchdevil]

This is what I get for being too optimistic about our team.

Crap on a stick!

[SCMatt33]

Duke team spokesman declined comment. Jeff Goodman tweet to the effect that NBA scouts (60-70 attending Pro Day) were raving about Tatum...until the injury at the end.

Still nothing concrete. I imagine it'll take a couple of days to shake out the severity.

Yeah, but I think it's pretty ok to read into it that there has been a real injury at this point. It seems unlikely that Duke is declining to comment and it will end up being "looked worse than it is, just precautionary". Now, reading anything beyond that seems like we won't know. Could be anything from day to day up to season ending or worse yet, the dreaded "out indefinitely" where we all have false hope that everything is fine.

Also, any sources confirm that it's actually his foot? Goodman was nonspecific and Duke hasn't commented. Seems like all the reports saying foot emanate from Seth Greenberg's tweet. Obviously I wasn't there and it may have been painfully obvious that it was his foot as opposed to his ankle, but I don't know what kind of view Greenberg actually had.

[devildeac]

Ha - I thought Tonya Harding as soon as in saw the name. Can't think of the skater who was injured tho. For some reason I still wanted TH to win but then Laettner is my all time favorite Dukie.

Nancy Kerrigan.

I thought it was some sort of a Tonya Harding connection but I'd have never placed a wager on it.

[devildeac]

Yeah, but I think it's pretty ok to read into it that there has been a real injury at this point. It seems unlikely that Duke is declining to comment and it will end up being "looked worse than it is, just precautionary". Now, reading anything beyond that seems like we won't know. Could be anything from day to day up to season ending or worse yet, the dreaded "out indefinitely" where we all have false hope that everything is fine.

Also, any sources confirm that it's actually his foot? Goodman was nonspecific and Duke hasn't commented. Seems like all the reports saying foot emanate from Seth Greenberg's tweet. Obviously I wasn't there and it may have been painfully obvious that it was his foot as opposed to his ankle, but I don't know what kind of view Greenberg actually had.

Well, with Greenberg, it's usually on the outside looking in...

[wilko]

Well, with Greenberg, it's usually on the outside looking in...

If Greengberg was right more often than he is wrong, he'd still be coaching...
I need another source. before I get worried. He's always looking for Dukes raincloud..

[Troublemaker]

Yeah, but I think it's pretty ok to read into it that there has been a real injury at this point. It seems unlikely that Duke is declining to comment and it will end up being "looked worse than it is, just precautionary". Now, reading anything beyond that seems like we won't know. Could be anything from day to day up to season ending or worse yet, the dreaded "out indefinitely" where we all have false hope that everything is fine.

Also, any sources confirm that it's actually his foot? Goodman was nonspecific and Duke hasn't commented. Seems like all the reports saying foot emanate from Seth Greenberg's tweet. Obviously I wasn't there and it may have been painfully obvious that it was his foot as opposed to his ankle, but I don't know what kind of view Greenberg actually had.

Dauster from NBC cited unnamed sources saying it's the left foot: http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2016/10/25/dukes-jayson-tatum-injured-during-pro-day-practice/


Duke freshman Jayson Tatum suffered an injury to his left foot during Duke’s pro day practice on Tuesday.

The severity of the injury is not yet known.

Tatum suffered the injury on what was a “routine landing”, according to someone that attended the practice, and it was immediately apparent he was in pain. Another source added that Tatum left the court without putting any pressure on the foot.

That's not confirmation, though. But adds to what we have, which isn't much.

[Troublemaker]

lol, not sure this can be diagnosed from the bleachers:

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/791038173073772544)
NBA scout at Duke Pro Day today said Jayson Tatum appeared to suffer "a stress reaction in his foot." No official word or timetable yet.

[richardjackson199]

lol, not sure this can be diagnosed from the bleachers:

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress) 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/791038173073772544)
NBA scout at Duke Pro Day today said Jayson Tatum appeared to suffer "a stress reaction in his foot." No official word or timetable yet.


I hope he's right. Stress "reaction" sounds much better than "bad foot injury out indefinitely". Please no Jones Fracture or weird toe injuries. Hoping and praying for the best! If this was going to happen, Oct. 25 is better than later. Trying to stay positive!

[gam7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wYoLQc-x5g

:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIsy7RFBb_g

[SCMatt33]

I hope he's right. Stress "reaction" sounds much better than "bad foot injury out indefinitely". Please no Jones Fracture or weird toe injuries. Hoping and praying for the best! If this was going to happen, Oct. 25 is better than later. Trying to stay positive!

Sounds weird to me. Isn't a "stress reaction" generally a precursor to a stress fracture, which is an injury that develops over time and not one that would suddenly happen during a practice? Isn't it also something that would only show up on an x-ray and not something a scout looking at it during a practice would pick out. Maybe the guy was trying to convey how he got hurt and not the actual injury, but that seems like a weird claim to me.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

First and last Duke pro day ever?

[dukelifer]

We have all been down this road before. Need to be patient. It may be wait and heal- or possibly much more than that. The foot injuries are so problematic. Looks like someone will need to step up regardless. Looks like the deep bench will need to pay dividends right away.

[gam7]

I hope he's right. Stress "reaction" sounds much better than "bad foot injury out indefinitely". Please no Jones Fracture or weird toe injuries. Hoping and praying for the best! If this was going to happen, Oct. 25 is better than later. Trying to stay positive!

I assume you are referring to Amile and Kyrie with the Jones and weird toe injuries comment. But wasn't it a stress reaction that prevented Seth from practicing most of his senior season and required him to play through agony? Amile and Kyrie injuries obviously were very serious, but I also would be very disappointed if Jayson in fact has a stress reaction.

[richardjackson199]

I assume you are referring to Amile and Kyrie with the Jones and weird toe injuries comment. But wasn't it a stress reaction that prevented Seth from practicing most of his senior season and required him to play through agony? Amile and Kyrie injuries obviously were very serious, but I also would be very disappointed if Jayson in fact has a stress reaction.

I don't know what injury Seth had, and I'm certainly not wishing agony or any injury on Jayson. My apologies, I'm a psychiatrist, not an orthopod. To us, stress reaction means: "Acute stress reaction (also called psychological shock, mental shock, or simply shock) is a psychological condition arising in response to a terrifying or traumatic event, or witnessing a traumatic event." They're short, temporary, and by definition heal quickly. Healing quickly is what I was wishing on Jayson. I'd love to find out his foot only hurt for a brief instant, and although it scared him, didn't really injure him. Kinda like Amile a few days ago when everyone was in brief shock, but thankfully nothing more than an acute stress reaction.

I didn't even know "stress reaction" was a real orthopedic diagnosis. It sounds like it is, so for that I'm sorry. It doesn't really matter, because at this point we don't know anything about what injury, if any, Jayson has. Just meant to say I'm hoping for the best.

[Pghdukie]

Here's hoping for a 2-3 week recovery of a High Ankle Sprain.

[Indoor66]

Here's hoping for a 2-3 week recovery of a High Ankle Sprain.

I hope it is NOT a high ankle sprain. That is what dogged Grant Hill for so long.

[subzero02]

I don't know what injury Seth had, and I'm certainly not wishing agony or any injury on Jayson. My apologies, I'm a psychiatrist, not an orthopod. To us, stress reaction means: "Acute stress reaction (also called psychological shock, mental shock, or simply shock) is a psychological condition arising in response to a terrifying or traumatic event, or witnessing a traumatic event." They're short, temporary, and by definition heal quickly. Healing quickly is what I was wishing on Jayson. I'd love to find out his foot only hurt for a brief instant, and although it scared him, didn't really injure him. Kinda like Amile a few days ago when everyone was in brief shock, but thankfully nothing more than an acute stress reaction.

I didn't even know "stress reaction" was a real orthopedic diagnosis. It sounds like it is, so for that I'm sorry. It doesn't really matter, because at this point we don't know anything about what injury, if any, Jayson has. Just meant to say I'm hoping for the best.

"Acute stress reaction (also called psychological shock, mental shock, or simply shock) is a psychological condition arising in response to a terrifying or traumatic event, or witnessing a traumatic event. "

I guess I had an acute stress reaction when I read the thread title....

[OldPhiKap]

"Acute stress reaction (also called psychological shock, mental shock, or simply shock) is a psychological condition arising in response to a terrifying or traumatic event, or witnessing a traumatic event. "

I guess I had an acute stress reaction when I read the thread title...

"Wish we could turn back time
To the good old da-ays
When our Mamma sang
Us to sleep
But now we're stressed out"

[UrinalCake]

I don't think we should get too attached to this "stress reaction" diagnosis. It sounds to me like an informal description from a non-medical person watching from the stands.

I'm not a doctor either, but my guess is that they will wait until tomorrow to do MRI's and such, maybe to allow swelling to go down.

[NM Duke Fan]

I don't think we should get too attached to this "stress reaction" diagnosis. It sounds to me like an informal description from a non-medical person watching from the stands.

I'm not a doctor either, but my guess is that they will wait until tomorrow to do MRI's and such, maybe to allow swelling to go down.

One of the most intelligent posts in this thread!

[Troublemaker]

Incidentally, tomorrow is Operation Basketball (aka ACC Media Day): http://www.theacc.com/page/media_days_m-baskbl

Maybe Amile and Matt can provide an update ~10:57am or Coach K can ~4:23pm

[DavidBenAkiva]

Have to figure if it was a break, they'd have done an X-ray right away, no?

[devildeac]

Here ya go:

http://www.uwbadgers.com/news/2010/6/9/Sports_Medicine_Corner_Bone_injuries.aspx

"A stress reaction is the lowest grade of the three levels of bone injury. A stress reaction is essentially the early stages of a stress fracture. This occurs when the stresses affecting the bone occur at a faster rate than the rate at which the bone is able to rebuild itself."

Or, in psychological/psychiatric terminology, paraphrasing Bo Ryan, "Duke gets all the calls." (aka as Syndrome #68-63, circa 2015) ;)

[dukelion]

Seeing on some other boards that it's not a big deal.....take that for what it's worth.

[OldPhiKap]

Here ya go:

http://www.uwbadgers.com/news/2010/6/9/Sports_Medicine_Corner_Bone_injuries.aspx

"A stress reaction is the lowest grade of the three levels of bone injury. A stress reaction is essentially the early stages of a stress fracture. This occurs when the stresses affecting the bone occur at a faster rate than the rate at which the bone is able to rebuild itself."

Or, in psychological/psychiatric terminology, paraphrasing Bo Ryan, "Duke gets all the calls." (aka as Syndrome #68-63, circa 2015) ;)

So, red wine helps?

[TKG]

I blame Nike.....

[YmoBeThere]

Seeing on some other boards that it's not a big deal...take that for what it's worth.

There are other boards? I thought this was the only one.

[OldPhiKap]

There are other boards? I thought this was the only one.

Must be on the OTB.

[devildeac]

So, red wine helps?

Bo Wine.

http://www.bo-wine.com/ABOUT-US

If the (sour) grape fits...

[OldPhiKap]

Bo Wine.

http://www.bo-wine.com/ABOUT-US

If the (sour) grape fits...

Bo Whine Vinegar. Wish I had though of that two years ago!

[CameronBlue]

Crap on a stick!

Man that was last week. Fair's left town.

[English]

First and last Duke pro day ever?

Perhaps last (probably not), but this wasn't the first. It was the second of two Pro Days.

Coach Cal, er, Woj will probably try to claim this was a stunt to attract more attention to Duke's pro day after poor planning had it fall on the first day of the NBA regular season. Kinda like that time Coach K pulled a media stunt when Paul George injured his leg and K selfishly was at his hospital bedside consoling him and his family. Anything for the media spotlight, and all that.

[richardjackson199]

Jeff Goodman also calling it a foot injury where he had to be helped off the court. No word on severity. Duke says "lower leg injury" and doesn't specify leg, taking their vagueness to a new level.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17887149/prized-frosh-forward-jayson-tatum-suffers-foot-injury-duke-pro-day

In some good news for Jayson, multiple pro scouts felt he improved his NBA draft stock with his performance:

"He was terrific," one NBA executive told ESPN. "Right now, he's certainly in the mix for the No. 1 overall pick."
"He's so smooth and polished," said another.

I'm holding out hope the "other board" is right and this is not a serious injury. Please.

[jjasper0729]

I blame Nike....

It has me wondering... with all the foot injuries lately (not just to our guys) if it may be because the shoes they are making are getting lighter and lighter that they are losing some of the support that the players need around their feet to be able to cut and move without risk to injury.

[bob blue devil]

It has me wondering... with all the foot injuries lately (not just to our guys) if it may be because the shoes they are making are getting lighter and lighter that they are losing some of the support that the players need around their feet to be able to cut and move without risk to injury.

i heard it was the diet - too much fast food or something

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

It has me wondering... with all the foot injuries lately (not just to our guys) if it may be because the shoes they are making are getting lighter and lighter that they are losing some of the support that the players need around their feet to be able to cut and move without risk to injury.

Let's go back to Chuck Taylors. Function AND fashion.

[budwom]

Seeing on some other boards that it's not a big deal....take that for what it's worth.

Much backpeddling going on from the "no big deal" crowd. MRI last night apparently, no word yet....we'll just have to wait and see.

[Indoor66]

So, red wine helps?

Actually, a shot of Bourbon and call me in the morning. 😈😎

[DUKIECB]

Let's go back to Chuck Taylors. Function AND fashion.Nike owns Converse now so you're back in the same boat!

[left_hook_lacey]

"Wish we could turn back time
To the good old da-ays
When our Mamma sang
Us to sleep
But now we're stressed out"

Sporks for being up on your pop music. I only know this song because the kids go nuts when it comes on and sing every word.

[flyingdutchdevil]

This suspense is killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OldPhiKap]

Sporks for being up on your pop music. I only know this song because the kids go nuts when it comes on and sing every word.

I have a teenage daughter. If it's on Sirius/XM's top 20 channel, it's driven in to a place deep within my skull from whence I cannot out it.

I do kind of like that song though.

I'll be doing my Katy Perry impersonation at lunch. Well, okay, I'm only the left shark right now but I have aspirations.

[Billy Dat]

From everyone's CTC reports and some tweets from the combine, it sounds like Luke Kennard is ready for his moment. Today is ACC media day so one assumes K will be asked about it quite a bit.

[elvis14]

From everyone's CTC reports and some tweets from the combine, it sounds like Luke Kennard is ready for his moment. Today is ACC media day so one assumes K will be asked about it quite a bit.

If Jayson is out for a little while, the silver lining to his injury is that the next man up is Luke. I think Jayson is going to be super special scintillating, baby! But Luke is really good and is a soph coming off a solid freshman year. Depth is a great thing to have. It would be pretty sweet to get off to a good start this season without Giles and Tatum....because adding them in then would just be that much sweeter!

[hillsborodevil]

Fingers crossed -

http://duke.247sports.com/Bolt/Duke-player-confident-Tatums-injury-not-that-serious-48519679

[left_hook_lacey]

I have a teenage daughter. If it's on Sirius/XM's top 20 channel, it's driven in to a place deep within my skull from whence I cannot out it.

I do kind of like that song though.

I'll be doing my Katy Perry impersonation at lunch. Well, okay, I'm only the left shark right now but I have aspirations.

Ah, yes, the Sirius Top 20 channel. My avenue to knowing the words to more crap music than one should. However, I agree with you about that song. There is far worse out there they could like.

I can't help but smile when they sing the part..."Wish I could turn back time, to the good ole daaaays". They're 7, 10, and 12. If they only knew.

Seems like the staff is being hush hush about the "lower leg injury".(attempt at getting back on topic)

[Steven43]

If Jayson is out for a little while, the silver lining to his injury is that the next man up is Luke. I think Jayson is going to be super special scintillating, baby! But Luke is really good and is a soph coming off a solid freshman year. Depth is a great thing to have. It would be pretty sweet to get off to a good start this season without Giles and Tatum...because adding them in then would just be that much sweeter!

If Tatum being out allows for significantly more playing time for Luke, I'm totally fine with that. Luke is going to be a great college basketball player. Better for Tatum to be injured now than in the first game of the NCAA tournament.

I know it seems counterintuitive, but I think Jayson and Harry missing time is actually going to strengthen the team in the long run by forcing others to play significantly more than they would have otherwise. After Harry and Jayson are healthy and re-integrated into the lineup the team should be hitting on all cylinders by the time the NCAA tournament begins. It actually could play out that way.

[jipops]

Past seasons' injuries have tainted me with pessimism. So it seemed a given that with a team this loaded, injuries were going to be an issue. Jayson may very well be ok, but it's likely not the last major injury news we get this season.

[OldPhiKap]

Ah, yes, the Sirius Top 20 channel. My avenue to knowing the words to more crap music than one should. However, I agree with you about that song. There is far worse out there they could like.

I can't help but smile when they sing the part..."Wish I could turn back time, to the good ole daaaays". They're 7, 10, and 12. If they only knew.

Seems like the staff is being hush hush about the "lower leg injury".(attempt at getting back on topic)

"Once I was seven years old, my mama told me
Go make yourself some friends or you'll be lonely.
Once I was seven years old.
It was a big big world, but we thought we were bigger.
Pushing each other to the limits, we were learning quicker."'

Get well quick, Jayson!

[Troublemaker]

From Zags article (http://www.zagsblog.com/2016/10/25/duke-freshman-jayson-tatum-reportedly-suffers-foot-injury/):


“With Jayson, we’re not sure,” Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said Wednesday on SportsCenter. “It’s not nearly the injury that Harry has had. That’s still in an evaluation period. We’ll find out more today and hopefully it’s something minor.”


“In Harry’s case, he had his knee scoped about three weeks ago, I think on Oct. 4,” Coach K said. “There was nothing structurally wrong with his knee. It wasn’t the knee that had the ACL, it was the one that he had a couple years ago. He’s actually doing great. We feel very, very encouraged about him coming and playing.

“He’s really upbeat and he’s doing a lot more but he still hasn’t done five-on-five with us.”

[superdave]

If Tatum being out allows for significantly more playing time for Luke, I'm totally fine with that. Luke is going to be a great college basketball player. Better for Tatum to be injured now than in the first game of the NCAA tournament.

I know it seems counterintuitive, but I think Jayson and Harry missing time is actually going to strengthen the team in the long run by forcing others to play significantly more than they would have otherwise. After Harry and Jayson are healthy and re-integrated into the lineup the team should be hitting on all cylinders by the time the NCAA tournament begins. It actually could play out that way.

I disagree with this. Tatum and Giles need the reps more than the upperclassmen.

Sounds like Tatum's is not too serious though.

[Billy Dat]

I know it seems counterintuitive, but I think Jayson and Harry missing time is actually going to strengthen the team in the long run by forcing others to play significantly more than they would have otherwise. After Harry and Jayson are healthy and re-integrated into the lineup the team should be hitting on all cylinders by the time the NCAA tournament begins. It actually could play out that way.

I, too, am trying to see things this way. The Blue Devil on my shoulder, however, is whispering, "K only plays 7. The universe refuses to let him go deeper and will conspire to keep his rotation at 7." Every time I try to smack this devil off my shoulder, he is gone and I wind up slapping myself in the face. It's very frustrating.

It would be a strange bit of irony if, after all the hoopla about our recruiting class, our opening night line-up is Allen, Jones, Jefferson, Kennard and Jeter.

[GGLC]

From Zags article (http://www.zagsblog.com/2016/10/25/duke-freshman-jayson-tatum-reportedly-suffers-foot-injury/):

K comparing it to Giles's injury, even in a context of "it's not nearly the injury that Harry has had," does not give me the warm and fuzzies.

Fingers crossed.

[bluedev_92]

I have a teenage daughter. If it's on Sirius/XM's top 20 channel, it's driven in to a place deep within my skull from whence I cannot out it.

I do kind of like that song though.

I'll be doing my Katy Perry impersonation at lunch. Well, okay, I'm only the left shark right now but I have aspirations.

Know what you mean. I have a teenage daughter as well & like that song.. Another part of the lyrics come to mind as I'm sitting here at work:

We would build a rocket ship and then we'd fly it far away
Used to dream of outer space but now they're laughing at our face
Saying, "Wake up, you need to make money"
Yeah

Wish we could turn back time...:rolleyes:

[newclasspack]

Let's go back to Chuck Taylors. Function AND fashion.CTs are the reason Bill russel Walked Bowlegged after hhis career. No arch support killed his feet.

[gurufrisbee]

First and foremost, I hope Jayson (and Harry) get 100% healed and are totally fine to play at full strength and be healthy for a long and successful basketball career.

That said, I totally am of the belief that roster of Grayson, Amile, Kennard, Bolden, Frank, Matt, Jeter, and DeLaurier could go through November and come out with zero to one losses having played Kansas and Michigan State and put the entire college basketball world on notice that with a healthy Jayson and Harry you basically have no hope at all. I don't mind that at all. Especially if we take a loss early and don't have to deal with all the media hype garbage of going undefeated like some losers did two years ago.

[Dukehky]

Know what you mean. I have a teenage daughter as well & like that song.. Another part of the lyrics come to mind as I'm sitting here at work:

We would build a rocket ship and then we'd fly it far away
Used to dream of outer space but now they're laughing at our face
Saying, "Wake up, you need to make money"
Yeah

Wish we could turn back time...:rolleyes:


Put it on channel 6, the president comes on the news
says I get no satisfaction, thats why I sing the blues
wife says don't get crazy, lord you know just what to do
crank out that old guitar, get out your running shoes (cause Tatum ain't hurt)


Or that's what they say.

[OldPhiKap]

Put it on channel 6, the president comes on the news
says I get no satisfaction, thats why I sing the blues
wife says don't get crazy, lord you know just what to do
crank out that old guitar, get out your running shoes (cause Tatum ain't hurt)


Or that's what they say.

Is it Saturday already?

[NashvilleDevil]

Just saw a tweet quoting Coach K, he said that Jayson did suffer a setback but it is minor and he should not be out long.

[Ichabod Drain]

Just saw a tweet quoting Coach K, he said that Jayson did suffer a setback but it is minor and he should not be out long.

That was an inaccurate tweet from what I saw.

[NashvilleDevil]

That was an inaccurate tweet from what I saw.

What!??! Something on twitter was not accurate? I probably should have vetted it more but it was retweeted by a couple of Duke people that I think are solid.

[Steven43]

I disagree with this. Tatum and Giles need the reps more than the upperclassmen.

Sounds like Tatum's is not too serious though.

Kennard needs the reps, too. He didn't play nearly as many minutes last year as I think he should have. Jeter deperately needs minutes, also. How can you say for cetain that Tatum and Giles need more reps than, for example, Kennard and Jeter? Maybe Giles and Tatum are so talented that they can perform at a high level with fewer reps than Kennard and Jeter. That being said, they ALL need reps.

[Ichabod Drain]

Kennard needs the reps, too. He didn't play nearly as many minutes last year as I think he should have. Jeter deperately needs minutes, also. How can you say for cetain that Tatum and Giles need more reps than, for example, Kennard and Jeter? Maybe Giles and Tatum are so talented that they can perform at a high level with fewer reps than Kennard and Jeter. That being said, they ALL need reps.

Kennard averaged 27 mpg last year...

[Tom B.]

I'm not about to say "It's over," though I'm slowly coming to grips with the possibility that there's a non-zero chance Duke has two lottery picks in next year's NBA draft that never play a minute of competitive ball for Duke.

[duke4ever19]

That was an inaccurate tweet from what I saw.

I don't know about the tweet, but Coach K says he doesn't "think it will take much time." Still kinda vague, but more encouraging than what could have been.


https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/791303474910732288

[JasonEvans]

I don't know about the tweet, but Coach K says he doesn't "think it will take much time." Still kinda vague, but more encouraging than what could have been.


https://twitter.com/FirstTake/status/791303474910732288

K refers to it as a "minor setback." He is normally very circumspect and does not reveal much about injury prognosis. The fact that he is referring to it as a "minor setback" and says it "won't take much time" is extremely encouraging. I expect we will see Tatum in uniform and playing by the time we play games that count in 3 weeks.

-Jason "I dunno where all the pessimism is... are ya'll just reverse-woofing?" Evans

[Newton_14]

That was an inaccurate tweet from what I saw.

Not inaccurate at all. I just watched the K video with Stephen A and that's exactly what Coach K said.

"Jason suffered a setback but it should not be long"

[Troublemaker]

Here's the youtube version of Coach K's comment, prompted to the spot where he says it: https://youtu.be/ST2nHaN--C4?t=9m37s

"Jason had a minor setback yesterday. We don't think it will take much time."

[Troublemaker]

Tweet from Jayson's pop, which I will take to mean "MRI came back negative for anything major":

justin tatum ‏@tatumjustin40 (https://twitter.com/tatumjustin40) 42m42 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/tatumjustin40/status/791306845335937024)
"God is good"Thanks to everyone who kept @jaytatum0 (https://twitter.com/jaytatum0) in their prayers and everyone who supported @Brandy_N_Cole (https://twitter.com/Brandy_N_Cole) and I thru this time. Go Duke

[SilkyJ]

K refers to it as a "minor setback." He is normally very circumspect and does not reveal much about injury prognosis. The fact that he is referring to it as a "minor setback" and says it "won't take much time" is extremely encouraging. I expect we will see Tatum in uniform and playing by the time we play games that count in 3 weeks.

-Jason "I dunno where all the pessimism is... are ya'll just reverse-woofing?" Evans

Its the reverse jinx. If we say its bad its bad its bad, then it will turn out great :)

To be fair to the true pessimists tho--we have the #1 & #3 recruits this year and are potentially a 40-0 type of dominant team (emphasis on potentially). We lose one of them for a month or two and its not great, but we can absorb it...if we lose both guys for an extended period, then its fair to be frustrated.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Tweet from Jayson's pop, which I will take to mean "MRI came back negative for anything major":

justin tatum ‏@tatumjustin40 (https://twitter.com/tatumjustin40) 42m42 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/tatumjustin40/status/791306845335937024)
"God is good"Thanks to everyone who kept @jaytatum0 (https://twitter.com/jaytatum0) in their prayers and everyone who supported @Brandy_N_Cole (https://twitter.com/Brandy_N_Cole) and I thru this time. Go Duke


Lol. I love twitter.

[tbyers11]

Tweet from Jayson's pop, which I will take to mean "MRI came back negative for anything major":

justin tatum ‏@tatumjustin40 (https://twitter.com/tatumjustin40) 42m42 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/tatumjustin40/status/791306845335937024)
"God is good"Thanks to everyone who kept @jaytatum0 (https://twitter.com/jaytatum0) in their prayers and everyone who supported @Brandy_N_Cole (https://twitter.com/Brandy_N_Cole) and I thru this time. Go Duke


Thanks Troublemaker for scanning the Twittersphere so I don't have to. Agree that this appears to be good news as much as a mildly cryptic tweet from the father of a player can be :D

[budwom]

Thanks Troublemaker for scanning the Twittersphere so I don't have to. Agree that this appears to be good news as much as a mildly cryptic tweet from the father of a player can be :D

yeah, the God is Good tweet set off a two page spectacle of speculation on the Devils Den, ranging from "this is great news" to "omigod, this doesn't sound good at all.
Being severely biblically challenged, I don't have a clue.

[luburch]

Parrish just tweeted that it'll be 2 weeks.

[dukebluesincebirth]

Tatum out 2 weeks with a foot sprain per "The Score." Phew!!!!!!!

[Newton_14]

Steve Wiseman tweeted the same thing! Excellent! Whew big relief!!

[DavidBenAkiva]

In the long run, this is great news! In the short run, this is terrible news. I'll be at the Augustana game on November and will not see either of Tatum or Giles in person. Hopefully, I can get tickets to the Notre Dame game in late January (I live in Chicago).

[devildeac]

Adam Rowe tweets the same at 206 PM, announced by Coach K. Whew!

Cancel the DBR "stress reaction."

;)

[BD80]

In the long run, this is great news! In the short run, this is terrible news. I'll be at the Augustana game on November and will not see either of Tatum or Giles in person. Hopefully, I can get tickets to the Notre Dame game in late January (I live in Chicago).

The horrible news is that it will add 10 pages to the "minutes" thread.

As long as it stays there, I guess its not that horrible.

[wsb3]

You mean it's not over?

[OldPhiKap]

You mean it's not over?

No, it's over. We just don't know it yet.

[NSDukeFan]

The horrible news is that it will add 10 pages to the "minutes" thread.

As long as it stays there, I guess its not that horrible.

But how many minutes will it add to the minutes discussion, or how many will it take away?

[DukeFanSince1990]

In the long run, this is great news! In the short run, this is terrible news. I'll be at the Augustana game on November and will not see either of Tatum or Giles in person. Hopefully, I can get tickets to the Notre Dame game in late January (I live in Chicago).

I hear you. I got to see Elton Brand in street clothes against Clemson one year.......

[devildeac]

No, it's over. We just don't know it yet.

It's not over until we say it's over...

[flyingdutchdevil]

..just became my JWinslow of 2017: I know I'm only getting you for a year, but I'll relish every second of it...

[freshmanjs]

This is relatively good news. However, depending on the type of sprain, there may be long lingering effects. Matt Jones, Steph curry, Jah were not the same long after their recent ankle sprains...

[Steven43]

This is relatively good news. However, depending on the type of sprain, there may be long lingering effects. Matt Jones, Steph curry, Jah were not the same long after their recent ankle sprains...
Whoa, we had Steph Curry?! I don't even remember that.

[slower]

..just became my JWinslow of 2017: I know I'm only getting you for a year, but I'll relish every second of it...

Tatum will not become my new Winslow until he seeks out Brice Johnson and kicks him in the nads.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Tatum will not become my new Winslow until he seeks out Brice Johnson and kicks him in the nads.

Can you at least choose another UNCer where this can become a reality? I'm thinking Pre-Season-ACC-Player-of-the-Year-Nate-Britt.

[freshmanjs]

Whoa, we had Steph Curry?! I don't even remember that.

Didn't say we had him. He did have lingering effects from a sprain last season.

[SCMatt33]

1) I personally won't breathe any sighs of relief until he's actually back. Just my own over cautious sentiments.

2) Presuming that timetable is correct, this will have been the most successful foot vigil ever. Congrats everyone!

[slower]

Can you at least choose another UNCer where this can become a reality? I'm thinking Pre-Season-ACC-Player-of-the-Year-Nate-Britt.

Oh, I think Brice is worth the extra effort and travel. :p

[duke74]

It's not over until we say it's over...

Beat me to it, Blutarski! Well done..

[fan345678]

1) I personally won't breathe any sighs of relief until he's actually back. Just my own over cautious sentiments.

2) Presuming that timetable is correct, this will have been the most successful foot vigil ever. Congrats everyone!

Then it's time for the Jayson Tatum Foot Vigil Vigil

[ricks68]

I don't know what injury Seth had, and I'm certainly not wishing agony or any injury on Jayson. My apologies, I'm a psychiatrist, not an orthopod. To us, stress reaction means: "Acute stress reaction (also called psychological shock, mental shock, or simply shock) is a psychological condition arising in response to a terrifying or traumatic event, or witnessing a traumatic event." They're short, temporary, and by definition heal quickly. Healing quickly is what I was wishing on Jayson. I'd love to find out his foot only hurt for a brief instant, and although it scared him, didn't really injure him. Kinda like Amile a few days ago when everyone was in brief shock, but thankfully nothing more than an acute stress reaction.

I didn't even know "stress reaction" was a real orthopedic diagnosis. It sounds like it is, so for that I'm sorry. It doesn't really matter, because at this point we don't know anything about what injury, if any, Jayson has. Just meant to say I'm hoping for the best.

Yep, you're a shrink all right.:rolleyes: (Just had to say that, as you appeared to set yourself up for that comment after your post above.:p Really, really like your posts a lot over the years, however, but I just couldn't resist.:o Sorry.)

ricks

[ricks68]

I don't think we should get too attached to this "stress reaction" diagnosis. It sounds to me like an informal description from a non-medical person watching from the stands.

I'm not a doctor either, but my guess is that they will wait until tomorrow to do MRI's and such, maybe to allow swelling to go down.

Nice reference to both the number of uninformed posts on the board that usually occur after news like this and the sizes of so many of the heads around here after we get another great new recruiting class.:rolleyes:

ricks

[Spanarkel]

I don't know what injury Seth had, and I'm certainly not wishing agony or any injury on Jayson. My apologies, I'm a psychiatrist, not an orthopod. To us, stress reaction means: "Acute stress reaction (also called psychological shock, mental shock, or simply shock) is a psychological condition arising in response to a terrifying or traumatic event, or witnessing a traumatic event." They're short, temporary, and by definition heal quickly. Healing quickly is what I was wishing on Jayson. I'd love to find out his foot only hurt for a brief instant, and although it scared him, didn't really injure him...

Hopefully this will be a case of PTG(posttraumatic growth)for Jayson.