Duke's 2016-17 roster posted

[Olympic Fan]

Thought some of you would be interested to see that Duke just posted its 2016-17 roster with the official heights and weights (not that all of you will believe them):

http://www.goduke.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=22727&SPID=1845

You can also link to the official bios of the incoming freshman

[kAzE]

I wonder how accurate those listed measurements are. Luke at 6'5" 180 seems like he should be a bit skinnier than he actually is, and is Javin really 6'10"? He was previously listed at 6'8" (http://www.scout.com/player/185988-javin-delaurier). If so, I would have much better long term hopes for him than previously imagined. Also, Jack White is listed at 6'5". . . . I might have to simmer down on my Jack White hype if he's shorter than I thought.

[bluedev_92]

That's a very tall group! 9 guys 6'8" or better. Shortest is 6'3". Scholarship average rounds to 6'8"

[Ichabod Drain]

I wonder how accurate those listed measurements are. Luke at 6'5" 180 seems like he should be a bit skinnier than he actually is, and is Javin really 6'10"? He was previously listed at 6'8" (http://www.scout.com/player/185988-javin-delaurier). If so, I would have much better long term hopes for him than previously imagined. Also, Jack White is listed at 6'5". . . . I might have to simmer down on my Jack White hype if he's shorter than I thought.


At the USA U18 camp recently they measures Javin 6'9" in shoes with a 7'0" wingspan and 222 lbs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClQlR7IVYAAprxt.jpg:large

[flyingdutchdevil]

I wonder how accurate those listed measurements are. Luke at 6'5" 180 seems like he should be a bit skinnier than he actually is, and is Javin really 6'10"? He was previously listed at 6'8" (http://www.scout.com/player/185988-javin-delaurier). If so, I would have much better long term hopes for him than previously imagined. Also, Jack White is listed at 6'5". . . . I might have to simmer down on my Jack White hype if he's shorter than I thought.

Australians can't compete with Americans on height. ;) They are overrated on height

I kid...I kid

[devildeac]

Australians can't compete with Americans on height. ;) They are overrated on height

I kid...I kid

But, wait for it, I'll bet he has a lot of hops...

:o:rolleyes:

(And yes, you can take that either way you want as in Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport or Nelson Sauvin...)

[weezie]

Australians can't compete with Americans on height. ;) They are overrated on height

I kid...I kid

But they are a damned fine looking bunch of people!
I do not kid...

[BD80]

Australians can't compete with Americans on height. ;) They are overrated on height

I kid...I kid

Lost in Translation ...

Australian cinder blocks are a bit larger than American cinder blocks.

[OldPhiKap]

Australians can't compete with Americans on height. ;) They are overrated on height

I kid...I kid

But when they dunk, they do so counter-clockwise.

Truth.

[kAzE]

Hmmm . . . there's no way Luke Kennard is 180. He's taller and almost as thick as Grayson:

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Looks to be around the same size as Matt:

6461

Unless he went on the Gandhi diet this offseason . . .

[DukeTrinity11]

Agreed, Luke Kennard is at least 210 pounds in my estimation based on pictures.

Also, is Grayson really 6"5? Did he grow a few inches in the last couple of months?

[kAzE]

I think Luke should be just under 200. Matt seems to be accurately listed at 200.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Agreed, Luke Kennard is at least 210 pounds in my estimation based on pictures.

Also, is Grayson really 6"5? Did he grow a few inches in the last couple of months?

He's always been listed by Duke as 6'5". Whether or not Duke is overstating is another question.

[Olympic Fan]

He's always been listed by Duke as 6'5". Whether or not Duke is overstating is another question.

He measured 6-4.5 in shoes at both the LeBron James and Kevin Durant camps in the summer of 2013 ... I don't think 6-5 is an inflated listing:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Grayson-Allen-71570/

[luvdahops]

He measured 6-4.5 in shoes at both the LeBron James and Kevin Durant camps in the summer of 2013 ... I don't think 6-5 is an inflated listing:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Grayson-Allen-71570/

I thought he was listed at 6-4 as a freshman. Either way, Luke looks to me to be at least one and possibly two inches taller than both Matt and Grayson.

[flyingdutchdevil]

He measured 6-4.5 in shoes at both the LeBron James and Kevin Durant camps in the summer of 2013 ... I don't think 6-5 is an inflated listing:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Grayson-Allen-71570/

And I'm not sure how much equity I'd put in camps. For me, the most reliable listing - by far - is the NBA combine. Duke had Demarcus Nelson at 6'4". NBA Combine? 6'1" w/o shoes, 6'2.25" with shoes.

I agree with posters who say that Kennard looks much taller than Allen. And I seriously, seriously doubt Duke would underestimate heights. So, either Kennard is wearing platforms, Allen has terrible posture, or Allen's height is overstated.

[kAzE]

I thought he was listed at 6-4 as a freshman. Either way, Luke looks to me to be at least one and possibly two inches taller than both Matt and Grayson.

I think Luke and Matt are both 6'5", while Grayson is 6'4". If you look closely at the 2nd photo I posted, the top of Luke's head seems to be at the same level as Brandon's (who is 6'9"), so I wouldn't buy too much stock in that picture's depiction of height, I used it more to compare girth/muscle mass.

[luvdahops]

I think Luke and Matt are both 6'5", while Grayson is 6'4". If you look closely at the 2nd photo I posted, the top of Luke's head seems to be at the same level as Brandon's (who is 6'9"), so I wouldn't buy too much stock in that picture's depiction of height, I used it more to compare girth/muscle mass.

I wasn't referencing that photo specifically, but rather repeated observations over the course of last season. I tend to think Grasyon and Matt e are both closer to 6-4 (as they both were listed as freshman, I believe), while Luke is a legit 6-5 and maybe closer to 6-6. And I would agree that Luke's weight is likely closer to 200 than 180.

[NSDukeFan]

I think Luke and Matt are both 6'5", while Grayson is 6'4". If you look closely at the 2nd photo I posted, the top of Luke's head seems to be at the same level as Brandon's (who is 6'9"), so I wouldn't buy too much stock in that picture's depiction of height, I used it more to compare girth/muscle mass.

Luke is 6'9 or 6'10 now? He went on the Admiral growth program. I think he starts and averages 29.8 mpg.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I have it on good authority that Luke is 7'3.

[Rich]

Also, Jack White is listed at 6'5". . . . I might have to simmer down on my Jack White hype if he's shorter than I thought.

Well, Aussies use metric so it's different.

[Saratoga2]

Every year the same thing. Heights are with shoes on and then are not particularly accurate and the same with weights. Only way to trust any of it is to get it from a camp they go to and then estimate the gain in height for shoes. Grayson is probably 6'3 1/4" in stocking feet while I believe both Matt and Luke are close to a true 6'5" with stocking feet. I think Luke probably has a little height on Matt but not much. Others are probably different than listed but the bottom line is we have a lot of really good sized front court players this coming year.

[Edouble]

I think Luke and Matt are both 6'5", while Grayson is 6'4". If you look closely at the 2nd photo I posted, the top of Luke's head seems to be at the same level as Brandon's (who is 6'9"), so I wouldn't buy too much stock in that picture's depiction of height, I used it more to compare girth/muscle mass.

Butt and hips, legs, back, chest, arms... I would probably use those body parts, in that order, to measure girth and muscle mass. Not sure what you can glean from a picture of a guy in a baggy uniform.

[MartyClark]

Does anyone know anything about Obi's health? Did he have knee surgery? Surgeries?

How about Amile? Looks good in the photo with Grayson but has he fully recovered from his injury?

I'm looking forward to this season. Summer is great but I miss Duke basketball.

[FerryFor50]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but MP3 is sure enjoying himself:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CljrXvZWEAEpn1t.jpg

[UrinalCake]

Where are the cinder blocks when we need them?!?

I have a picture of myself standing next to Grayson and I think he's closer to 6'3-6'4 with shoes. Definitely projects as a 1/2 rather than a 2/3 in the NBA IMO, and I think that's one of the big reasons he came back - he'll be able to initiate the offense and work on his PG skills a lot this year. The other reason of course is to graduate in three years.

Can't wait for the season to start! Our talent, experience, size, and depth is exciting and this year is going to be a blast.

[UrinalCake]

Does anyone know anything about Obi's health? Did he have knee surgery? Surgeries?

How about Amile? Looks good in the photo with Grayson but has he fully recovered from his injury?

I thought K said in a press conference a few weeks ago that Amile was 100%, Obi was going to have surgery, and Giles was still rehabbing and had no time table set for when he'll be able to practice.

[Edouble]

Where are the cinder blocks when we need them?!?

I have a picture of myself standing next to Grayson and I think he's closer to 6'3-6'4 with shoes. Definitely projects as a 1/2 rather than a 2/3 in the NBA IMO, and I think that's one of the big reasons he came back - he'll be able to initiate the offense and work on his PG skills a lot this year. The other reason of course is to graduate in three years.

Can't wait for the season to start! Our talent, experience, size, and depth is exciting and this year is going to be a blast.

Who has ever projected Grayson as a 3 in the NBA???

[English]

Who has ever projected Grayson as a 3 in the NBA???

Nobody that I've ever heard--I think the biggest question for Grayson was whether he's a 1-2 or a 2. Practically speaking, in the NBA, that question manifests itself in two ways: offensively and defensively.

Does Grayson have the skills (handle, vision, confidence) to initiate the offense? Can he be a serviceable backup (or, eventually, starting) PG? Is he purely an off-the-ball offensive player?

Does Grayson guard opposing 1s or opposing 2s? Is he capable of guarding either? I'd be shocked if, as a wing, he'd be asked or capable of guarding NBA-level 3s. Of course, in his college career, there is probably an example (anomaly) where Grayson has guarded a player in a game who has or will become an NBA 3; that's not really the point.

[DukieInKansas]

But, wait for it, I'll bet he has a lot of hops...

:o:rolleyes:

(And yes, you can take that either way you want as in Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport or Nelson Sauvin...)

Did you also post this in the Ymm, Beer thread? ;)

Need to spread the love before I can give you beer sporks.

[BLPOG]

Lost in Translation ...

Australian cinder blocks are a bit larger than American cinder blocks.

Thankfully, cinder block estimates on DBR undergo a rigorous process of peer review. Most common sizes:

American - 16 in × 8 in × 8 in (410 mm × 200 mm × 200 mm)
Australian - 15.4 in × 7.5 in × 7.5 in (390 mm × 190 mm × 190 mm)

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_masonry_unit
http://www.boral.com.au/masonry-design-guide/pdf/BOR11999_SA_Manual_Bk2.pdf

[devildeac]

Did you also post this in the Ymm, Beer thread? ;)

Need to spread the love before I can give you beer sporks.

I didn't post it in the Ymm, Beer thread, but was thinking what beer would pair well with it, and, no, Fosters is not the correct answer :rolleyes: .

[BD80]

Thankfully, cinder block estimates on DBR undergo a rigorous process of peer review. Most common sizes:

American - 16 in × 8 in × 8 in (410 mm × 200 mm × 200 mm)
Australian - 15.4 in × 7.5 in × 7.5 in (390 mm × 190 mm × 190 mm)

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_masonry_unit
http://www.boral.com.au/masonry-design-guide/pdf/BOR11999_SA_Manual_Bk2.pdf

Ohh, I had it backwards.

This explains why he is 6'7" in Australia but 6'5" in the US, the cinderblock conversion rate.

[Indoor66]

Ohh, I had it backwards.

This explains why he is 6'7" in Australia but 6'5" in the US, the cinderblock conversion rate.

Careful. Conversion is a crime.

[Fish80]

That's a very tall group! 9 guys 6'8" or better. Shortest is 6'3". Scholarship average rounds to 6'8"

Damn! Now it's impossible to play small ball.

It's over!

[Spanarkel]

Chase Jeter looks REALLY muscular in a recent photo on @dukeblueplanet twitter. Hope he'll be a solid contributor this year!

[sagegrouse]

Of course, in his college career, there is probably an example (anomaly) where Grayson has guarded a player in a game who has or will become an NBA 3; that's not really the point.

Grayson did pretty well in the one play in the national championship game when he guarded Frank Kaminsky -- he slapped the ball away.

[Kedsy]

Grayson did pretty well in the one play in the national championship game when he guarded Frank Kaminsky -- he slapped the ball away.

That settles it. Grayson's a center at the next level.

[TruBlu]

That settles it. Grayson's a center at the next level.

Yep. Probably came back for his third year in order to work on his post moves. Too bad that Wojo isn't around to help him.

[jv001]

I think Luke and Matt are both 6'5", while Grayson is 6'4". If you look closely at the 2nd photo I posted, the top of Luke's head seems to be at the same level as Brandon's (who is 6'9"), so I wouldn't buy too much stock in that picture's depiction of height, I used it more to compare girth/muscle mass.

Luke and Grayson are good rebounding guards no matter their height. I see Luke being 1/2 " to 1 " taller than Grayson. As for their weight, the main thing is both are sturdy looking young men that can take the punishment that comes with playing in the ACC. GoDuke!

[Kedsy]

Luke and Grayson are good rebounding guards no matter their height.

Defensive Rebounding Percentage by Duke Guards, 2010 to 2016:



Player DRB%
Grayson Allen 2016 11.7
Rasheed Sulaimon 2013 11.0
Quinn Cook 2013 11.0
Luke Kennard 2016 10.7
Kyrie Irving 2011 10.6
Rasheed Sulaimon 2015 10.3
Andre Dawkins 2014 10.1
Nolan Smith 2011 10.1
Tyus Jones 2015 9.9
Rasheed Sulaimon 2014 9.3
Quinn Cook 2015 9.2
Tyler Thornton 2013 9.2
Austin Rivers 2012 9.2
Grayson Allen 2015 8.9
Andre Dawkins 2012 8.6
Andre Dawkins 2010 8.6
Jon Scheyer 2010 8.5
Matt Jones 2014 8.4
Andre Dawkins 2011 8.1
Tyler Thornton 2014 7.9
Quinn Cook 2014 7.5
Tyler Thornton 2012 7.3
Seth Curry 2013 6.8
Seth Curry 2012 6.8
Derryck Thornton 2016 6.5
Seth Curry 2011 6.0
Nolan Smith 2010 5.8
Matt Jones 2016 5.1
Matt Jones 2015 5.1
Quinn Cook 2012 5.0
Tyler Thornton 2011 3.6


Based on this table, I agree with you that Grayson and Luke are good rebounding guards. Or at least good Duke rebounding guards, since Grayson last season had the best defensive rebounding percentage of any Duke guard in the past seven years and Luke was fourth best.

Two other things worth mentioning in this table: (1) for a guy who while he was here got beat up on these boards for being a "one dimensional player," who among other things couldn't rebound very well, Andre Dawkins represents pretty well in this table; and (2) it seems odd to me that Quinn Cook went from second-worst DRB% as a freshman to second-best DRB% as a sophomore. Suggests that being a "good rebounding guard" is not necessarily an absolute attribute.

[Billy Dat]

FWIW - I was just down at Duke for BBall camp and saw Marques Bolden in person, lifting weights in the K Center under the watchful eye of Nate and Will Stephens (Strength and Conditioning Coach). He was the only freshman I saw. The dude is ENORMOUS and looked mean and no-nonsense. I intuited all of this in about 20 seconds. That is all.