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JasonEvans
05-28-2016, 01:15 PM
So, lets start this with speculation about Jahlil Okafor being traded by the Sixers. Tell me what you all think of this deal: Jah to the Celtics for Jae Crowder and the #16 pick in this year's draft.

-Jason "I sorta want Jah to stick in Philly as I think that franchise may be poised for a bit of a leap, but the notion of him playing for the Celtics with Isaiah Thomas feeding him is pretty tempting" Evans

Troublemaker
05-28-2016, 03:15 PM
So, lets start this with speculation about Jahlil Okafor being traded by the Sixers. Tell me what you all think of this deal: Jah to the Celtics for Jae Crowder and the #16 pick in this year's draft.

-Jason "I sorta want Jah to stick in Philly as I think that franchise may be poised for a bit of a leap, but the notion of him playing for the Celtics with Isaiah Thomas feeding him is pretty tempting" Evans

That trade is a no-brainer from a Duke fan's perspective. While it's true that the 76ers might be on the upswing soon, the Celtics are already there. They're a historically great franchise with a great coach and a front office that, through savvy moves, is loaded with assets.

I suspect Philly's asking price for Jah would be higher than Crowder + #16 (in a weak draft), though.

brlftz
05-28-2016, 04:22 PM
That trade is a no-brainer from a Duke fan's perspective. While it's true that the 76ers might be on the upswing soon, the Celtics are already there. They're a historically great franchise with a great coach and a front office that, through savvy moves, is loaded with assets.

I suspect Philly's asking price for Jah would be higher than Crowder + #16 (in a weak draft), though.

crowder would be a great pickup for them though...i wonder if they'd be willing to part with him AND the #3 pick. okafor's almost certainly better than whatever that pick turns out to be (although bender is intriguing). i don't see anything else on their roster that would make a big difference, assuming bradley isn't on the table.

madscavenger
05-28-2016, 04:32 PM
Jah for Derrick Rose, anyone else on the Bulls roster (except Jimmy Butler), Fred Hoiberg, and a fist full of $$$.

Troublemaker
05-28-2016, 06:00 PM
crowder would be a great pickup for them though...i wonder if they'd be willing to part with him AND the #3 pick. okafor's almost certainly better than whatever that pick turns out to be (although bender is intriguing). i don't see anything else on their roster that would make a big difference, assuming bradley isn't on the table.

Crowder would be a pretty good pickup, not a great one. He's a role player and only a 32% career 3-pt shooter. Jah is 20 years old and if he keeps his head on straight will be the best post-scorer in the NBA one day. Yes, that skill is no longer as valued, but it's worth more than Crowder + 16.

brlftz
05-28-2016, 07:40 PM
Crowder would be a pretty good pickup, not a great one. He's a role player and only a 32% career 3-pt shooter. Jah is 20 years old and if he keeps his head on straight will be the best post-scorer in the NBA one day. Yes, that skill is no longer as valued, but it's worth more than Crowder + 16.

Agree, great is too strong a word, but crowder and three would be tempting

Furniture
05-28-2016, 08:58 PM
I am curious to see what happens to Lance and Seth. What about Quinn who is trying out with the Nets? Then there is Rasheed. I hope someone gives him a chance....
Then there is Brandon and Lord Marshall Plumblee...
There is plenty to be interested in...

UrinalCake
05-28-2016, 11:46 PM
One of the articles linked on the DBR front page indicated that Philly has been working out other players than Simmons and Ingram, which seems to suggest that they are considering either trading down (and converting the #1 into multiple picks) or trading Oak in a deal that includes another lottery pick. I wonder if they would deal Oak to Boston for the #3 straight up? Boston has the #3, #16, and #23 picks as well as five picks in the second round, so you'd have to think they are ripe for some sort of deal.

DukieInBrasil
05-29-2016, 09:29 AM
I am curious to see what happens to Lance and Seth. What about Quinn who is trying out with the Nets? Then there is Rasheed. I hope someone gives him a chance...
Then there is Brandon and Lord Marshall Plumblee...
There is plenty to be interested in...

I think Rasheed played himself out of consideration for the NBA, he's a good player, just not NBA good. He doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a PG and he doesn't shoot well enough to be a 2G. He also doesn't have overwhelming athleticism to make up for those areas of concern.
Lance seems to have played himself into a fat contract. I believe Seth has a 2 yr contract with SAC, so i don't think he'l be going anywhere.
Quinn seems intriguing, he had a dynamite year in D-league and may have honed his PG skills to the point that teams are willing to look at him as a backup PG. I mean, Matthew Dellavadova is a backup PG and he isn't as quick or fast as Quinn and is a much less consistent shooter/scorer than Quinn (although the level of competition is different).
I wouldn't be surprised to see someone give MP3 a chance. In fact, i would be surprised if he didn't get an invite to a camp at least.
Add to the list Andre Dawkins, who is now playing overseas. He's got a great 3pt shot, which ought to be highly sought after. He's also very bouncy, so he has the athleticism to be a more versatile player. He may yet get another shot in the NBA (ba duh tchcing!)

tbyers11
05-29-2016, 10:20 AM
I believe Seth has a 2 yr contract with SAC, so i don't think he'l be going anywhere.

Seth did have a 2 year contract. But the 2nd year was a player option for $1 million which he declined. He is now a restricted free agent.

Furniture
05-29-2016, 10:48 AM
I think Rasheed played himself out of consideration for the NBA, he's a good player, just not NBA good. He doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a PG and he doesn't shoot well enough to be a 2G. He also doesn't have overwhelming athleticism to make up for those areas of concern.
Lance seems to have played himself into a fat contract. I believe Seth has a 2 yr contract with SAC, so i don't think he'l be going anywhere.
Quinn seems intriguing, he had a dynamite year in D-league and may have honed his PG skills to the point that teams are willing to look at him as a backup PG. I mean, Matthew Dellavadova is a backup PG and he isn't as quick or fast as Quinn and is a much less consistent shooter/scorer than Quinn (although the level of competition is different).
I wouldn't be surprised to see someone give MP3 a chance. In fact, i would be surprised if he didn't get an invite to a camp at least.
Add to the list Andre Dawkins, who is now playing overseas. He's got a great 3pt shot, which ought to be highly sought after. He's also very bouncy, so he has the athleticism to be a more versatile player. He may yet get another shot in the NBA (ba duh tchcing!)

Anyone with more experience know when out of contract players like Lance and Seth get their situations sorted. Is it more likely to be just after the draft?

CDu
05-29-2016, 11:01 AM
Anyone with more experience know when out of contract players like Lance and Seth get their situations sorted. Is it more likely to be just after the draft?

Free agency doesn't begin until July 1, so technically those guys are still under contract. There is also technically a moratorium on signing for another 10 days starting July 1, though many of the big names will agree to terms without officially signing prior to July 11. Because cap space is a commodity and teams want to get the big names first, lower-tier free agents like Thomas and Curry usually have to wait until mid/late-July to sign once the big name free agents are sorted out.

jimsumner
05-29-2016, 11:32 AM
I think Rasheed played himself out of consideration for the NBA, he's a good player, just not NBA good. He doesn't handle the ball well enough to be a PG and he doesn't shoot well enough to be a 2G. He also doesn't have overwhelming athleticism to make up for those areas of concern.
Lance seems to have played himself into a fat contract. I believe Seth has a 2 yr contract with SAC, so i don't think he'l be going anywhere.
Quinn seems intriguing, he had a dynamite year in D-league and may have honed his PG skills to the point that teams are willing to look at him as a backup PG. I mean, Matthew Dellavadova is a backup PG and he isn't as quick or fast as Quinn and is a much less consistent shooter/scorer than Quinn (although the level of competition is different).
I wouldn't be surprised to see someone give MP3 a chance. In fact, i would be surprised if he didn't get an invite to a camp at least.
Add to the list Andre Dawkins, who is now playing overseas. He's got a great 3pt shot, which ought to be highly sought after. He's also very bouncy, so he has the athleticism to be a more versatile player. He may yet get another shot in the NBA (ba duh tchcing!)

You can make more money playing overseas than in the D-league.

But the route from the D-league to the NBA is cleaner than the route from the Euros to the NBA.

Thomas and Curry turned down chances to play in Europe, preferring to stay in the D-league and work for 10-day contracts that might one-day leverage into NBA contracts.

And it worked. It looks like Cook is following the same template.

Dawkins had an NBA cup of coffee in 2015 but elected to go overseas afterwards.

Nothing wrong with that. Trajan Langdon, Dan Ewing, DeMarcus Nelson and others have made pretty good livings playing overseas. Shelden Williams turned down some chances to come back.

Does Dawkins want to come back and roll the dice? Or does he prefer the European option?

One thing to follow this off season.

Troublemaker
05-29-2016, 05:12 PM
Agree, great is too strong a word, but crowder and three would be tempting

Agreed, and incidentally, that's what Boston fan Bill Simmons predicts will happen and wants to happen (http://nesn.com/2016/05/bill-simmons-jahlil-okafor-would-be-best-case-scenario-for-celtics/), i.e. Okafor for #3.

As a Duke fan, I would love it. Brad Stevens can "accentuate the positives, hide the negatives" of Jahlil.

luburch
05-31-2016, 07:22 AM
Marshall Plumlee - stretch 5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN44rLX13Fs&feature=youtu.be

I mean, he did shoot 100% from 3 in his time at Duke

JasonEvans
05-31-2016, 07:56 AM
Marshall Plumlee - stretch 5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN44rLX13Fs&feature=youtu.be

I mean, he did shoot 100% from 3 in his time at Duke

Wow, he didn't miss a single shot in that video ;)

Li_Duke
05-31-2016, 02:26 PM
One of the articles linked on the DBR front page indicated that Philly has been working out other players than Simmons and Ingram, which seems to suggest that they are considering either trading down (and converting the #1 into multiple picks) or trading Oak in a deal that includes another lottery pick. I wonder if they would deal Oak to Boston for the #3 straight up? Boston has the #3, #16, and #23 picks as well as five picks in the second round, so you'd have to think they are ripe for some sort of deal.

Philly has the 24th and 26th pick, a war chest of future draft picks, and could be looking to balance out their roster by making a trade for veterans or other 2016 draft picks. So even if they intend to keep their #1, it makes sense for them to work out players other than Simmons and Ingram.

I miss Sam Hinkie already.

Furniture
05-31-2016, 11:19 PM
Marshall Plumlee - stretch 5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN44rLX13Fs&feature=youtu.be

I mean, he did shoot 100% from 3 in his time at Duke

Wow! Two things.
1)impressive!
2)I'm tired....

moonpie23
06-01-2016, 07:25 AM
pulling for MPIII....hope he gets it going...

duke4ever19
06-01-2016, 11:27 AM
Living in Philly (well, suburbs) and being a long-suffering, patient fan during the "trust the process" era, if they trade Okafor, they are dead to me.

elvis14
06-01-2016, 03:14 PM
Living in Philly (well, suburbs) and being a long-suffering, patient fan during the "trust the process" era, if they trade Okafor, they are dead to me.

Any word on how Jahlil is doing in the offseason? Getting healthy?

Furniture
06-01-2016, 03:20 PM
Any word on how Jahlil is doing in the offseason? Getting healthy?

Getting brain healthy@ Duke for the summer continuing his degree studies!

Furniture
06-01-2016, 09:36 PM
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lotusland
06-01-2016, 10:29 PM
AR opting out of Clippers contract in favor of free agency. I don't keep up with the NBA but I was a little surprised that defense is considered his strength according to this Bleacher Report article. Rivers improved drastically over his 1 year at Duke and I figured with his determination he would manage to carve out a nice career. Glad to hear he's doing well.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2643708-austin-rivers-opts-out-of-clippers-contract-latest-details-comments-reaction

CDu
06-02-2016, 08:41 AM
AR opting out of Clippers contract in favor of free agency. I don't keep up with the NBA but I was a little surprised that defense is considered his strength according to this Bleacher Report article. Rivers improved drastically over his 1 year at Duke and I figured with his determination he would manage to carve out a nice career. Glad to hear he's doing well.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2643708-austin-rivers-opts-out-of-clippers-contract-latest-details-comments-reaction

It appears that Rivers has figured out that in the absence of elite offensive ability you must play defense to get playing time. Rivers' offensive skill set has settled in as backup quality, so he needed defense to crack the rotation. It sounds like he is making good on that. Good for him.

Skitzle
06-02-2016, 09:47 AM
It appears that Rivers has figured out that in the absence of elite offensive ability you must play defense to get playing time. Rivers' offensive skill set has settled in as backup quality, so he needed defense to crack the rotation. It sounds like he is making good on that. Good for him.

If he was a better distributor, he'd be a very solid backup.

Are their any cases where non distributors learned how to be good distrbutors. I feel like its the one thing I've never seen.

diablesseblu
06-02-2016, 03:41 PM
http://ny.curbed.com/2016/6/2/11838390/la-clipper-jj-redick-nyc-apartment