Oldest living Duke basketball player

[lrjacobson]

I enjoy researching old Duke basketball teams and players and was trying to find out who is the oldest living Duke basketball player. Anyone know the answer to this question??

[devildeac]

I enjoy researching old Duke basketball teams and players and was trying to find out who is the oldest living Duke basketball player. Anyone know the answer to this question??

My guess: Dick Groat

(excluding Matt Jones, of course :o)

[brevity]

(excluding Matt Jones, of course :o)

Matt Jones is the correct answer. If someone asked for the oldest living Ohio State basketball player, Bobby Knight immediately comes to mind, but the correct answer would be Greg Oden.

Club Trillion? More like Club Trillion Years Old.

[wilson]

Patrick Davidson played on Charlemagne's team.

[brevity]

Patrick Davidson played on Charlemagne's team.

Back then you had to BE a Duke to play Duke basketball.

Historians have written that Patrick Davidson introduced the concept of prima nocta, which is the right to score the game's first points.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Pretty sure Nate James used to post up Moses.

[TKG]

Trajan " Roman Emperor Born in 53 AD" Langdon

[Tommac]

How about George MOSES?

[Tom B.]

I enjoy researching old Duke basketball teams and players and was trying to find out who is the oldest living Duke basketball player. Anyone know the answer to this question??

Until his death in 2009, the answer was Bill Werber, who played basketball for Duke in the late 1920s and went on to greater fame as a pro baseball player. He had an 11-year career in the majors, which included stints with the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Philadelphia Athletics, Cincinnati Reds, and New York Giants. He was a skilled infielder who played second base, shortstop, and third base at different times in his career. He was also an aggressive base runner who led the American League in stolen bases in 1934, and the National League in 1935 and 1937. Werber once stole second base on a walk -- as he headed to first base, he noticed that the catcher had turned to argue the fourth ball, so he jogged to first and then just kept running. He's still the only MLB player to hit four consecutive doubles in both leagues. He won a World Series with Cincinnati in 1940.

Werber is also the answer to a cool trivia question: Who was the first player to bat in a televised game? It happened in 1939, in a game between Cincinnati and the Brooklyn Dodgers.

Now, though, I'm not sure who the oldest living Duke basketball player is. My guess is that it would be someone older than Dick Groat. Groat played in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and is now 85. I imagine there are probably still a few players from the earlier 1940s, and maybe even the late 1930s, still alive.

[Jarhead]

I enjoy researching old Duke basketball teams and players and was trying to find out who is the oldest living Duke basketball player. Anyone know the answer to this question??

The Pittsburgh Panthers ACC basketball team's radio broadcast staff includes Curtis Aiken, Bill Hillgrove and Dick Groat. Groat oughta' be pretty close to ninety by now. When I am asked who the best Duke player ever my immediate answer is Dick Groat, and then I quickly add Grant Hill. Anybody wanna' fight about it?

[jimsumner]

Until his death in 2009, the answer was Bill Werber, who played basketball for Duke in the late 1920s and went on to greater fame as a pro baseball player. He had an 11-year career in the majors, which included stints with the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Philadelphia Athletics, Cincinnati Reds, and New York Giants. He was a skilled infielder who played second base, shortstop, and third base at different times in his career. He was also an aggressive base runner who led the American League in stolen bases in 1934, and the National League in 1935 and 1937. Werber once stole second base on a walk -- as he headed to first base, he noticed that the catcher had turned to argue the fourth ball, so he jogged to first and then just kept running. He's still the only MLB player to hit four consecutive doubles in both leagues. He won a World Series with Cincinnati in 1940.

Werber is also the answer to a cool trivia question: Who was the first player to bat in a televised game? It happened in 1939, in a game between Cincinnati and the Brooklyn Dodgers.

Now, though, I'm not sure who the oldest living Duke basketball player is. My guess is that it would be someone older than Dick Groat. Groat played in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and is now 85. I imagine there are probably still a few players from the earlier 1940s, and maybe even the late 1930s, still alive.

Werber was also the last living person to have played with Babe Ruth.

I do not know the answer to the original question.

If I had to find out, I would contact the Duke Varsity Club.

[Reilly]

Why did Lefty only play two years at Duke? Groat was class of 1952 and Lefty 1954 but Lefty was not on the 1952 team as a sophomore.

http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=121

[jimsumner]

Why did Lefty only play two years at Duke? Groat was class of 1952 and Lefty 1954 but Lefty was not on the 1952 team as a sophomore.

http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=121

Driesell missed the 1952 season with a mastoid problem.

[weezie]

...Club Trillion? More like Club Trillion Years Old.

Cymbal crash! Ladies and Gentlemen, please enjoy the buffet!

[devildeac]

Why did Lefty only play two years at Duke? Groat was class of 1952 and Lefty 1954 but Lefty was not on the 1952 team as a sophomore.

http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=121


Driesell missed the 1952 season with a mastoid problem.

That makes too much sense. It had to be that he knew K and P were coming and wanted to start the transfer train before his playing time decreased. :rolleyes::o

[devildeac]

Werber was also the last living person to have played with Babe Ruth.

I do not know the answer to the original question.

If I had to find out, I would contact the Duke Varsity Club.

Damn. If Jim Sumner doesn't know this answer, our sole remaining hope is probably OlyFan and if he doesn't know, we are really SOL. :o

[phaedrus]

If I had to find out, I would contact the Duke Varsity Club.

This is a trick. If you ask the Duke Varsity Club, they'll tell you to ask Jim Sumner.

[Edouble]

Pretty sure Nate James used to post up Moses.

True, but Noah was a beast from beyond the arc.

[cato]

True, but Noah was a beast from beyond the arc.

Huh. And all this time I thought he scored mostly inside the arc.

[wilson]

Huh. And all this time I thought he scored mostly inside the arc.Well yeah, he scored 2 by 2.

[devildeac]

True, but Noah was a beast from beyond the arc.

I see what you did there but I don't think we've ever had a player named Noah. You must be thinking of the Gators. :p

Anyhow, Noah preferred to rain things down in twos, not threes.

[BLPOG]

Until his death in 2009, the answer was Bill Werber, who played basketball for Duke in the late 1920s and went on to greater fame as a pro baseball player. He had an 11-year career in the majors, which included stints with the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Philadelphia Athletics, Cincinnati Reds, and New York Giants. He was a skilled infielder who played second base, shortstop, and third base at different times in his career. He was also an aggressive base runner who led the American League in stolen bases in 1934, and the National League in 1935 and 1937. Werber once stole second base on a walk -- as he headed to first base, he noticed that the catcher had turned to argue the fourth ball, so he jogged to first and then just kept running. He's still the only MLB player to hit four consecutive doubles in both leagues. He won a World Series with Cincinnati in 1940.

Werber is also the answer to a cool trivia question: Who was the first player to bat in a televised game? It happened in 1939, in a game between Cincinnati and the Brooklyn Dodgers.

Now, though, I'm not sure who the oldest living Duke basketball player is. My guess is that it would be someone older than Dick Groat. Groat played in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and is now 85. I imagine there are probably still a few players from the earlier 1940s, and maybe even the late 1930s, still alive.

I didn't know that bit of trivia regarding the televised game. Very cool!

[jimsumner]

Ace Parker died in late 2013 and Parker played basketball for Duke in 1936.

So, that suggests there could easily be some surviving folks who played for Eddie Cameron (last hoops, 1942).

Like others, I suspect Dick Groat is not the answer.

Not to this question, at least. :)

Let me further derail a thread that has been discussing Noah's Ark.

SI had a profile on Vin Scully a few weeks back.

Scully and some Dodgers front office folks were discussing the proper way to execute a rundown.

Scully recalled conversations he had had with Branch Rickey on that subject back in the 1940s.

One of the Dodgers front-office folks recalled that Rickey had played in the majors in 1908 and he was talking to Rickey through Scully about techniques used over a century earlier.

Talk about institutional memory.

Back to your regular programming.

[budwom]

^ I'm 66 yrs old and grew up listening to Scully doing Dodger games (starting in 1954 for me, when I was five) Had I been up to it,
I could have listened to him when I was one, since he began with the Dodgers in 1950 (but I had other priorities)...there's a record that won't soon be broken.

[Olympic Fan]

Until his death in 2009, the answer was Bill Werber, who played basketball for Duke in the late 1920s and went on to greater fame as a pro baseball player. He had an 11-year career in the majors, which included stints with the New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox, Philadelphia Athletics, Cincinnati Reds, and New York Giants. He was a skilled infielder who played second base, shortstop, and third base at different times in his career. He was also an aggressive base runner who led the American League in stolen bases in 1934, and the National League in 1935 and 1937. Werber once stole second base on a walk -- as he headed to first base, he noticed that the catcher had turned to argue the fourth ball, so he jogged to first and then just kept running. He's still the only MLB player to hit four consecutive doubles in both leagues. He won a World Series with Cincinnati in 1940.

Werber is also the answer to a cool trivia question: Who was the first player to bat in a televised game? It happened in 1939, in a game between Cincinnati and the Brooklyn Dodgers.

Now, though, I'm not sure who the oldest living Duke basketball player is. My guess is that it would be someone older than Dick Groat. Groat played in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and is now 85. I imagine there are probably still a few players from the earlier 1940s, and maybe even the late 1930s, still alive.

It's amazing how similar Bill Werber's career was to Dick Groat's ... in fact, you can try this trivia question: Who was the first Duke basketball All-American to bat leadoff for the National League championship team against the Yankees in the World Series? That would be Bill Werber ... Groat was the second.

He was indeed the first player to bat in a televised major league game. The Cincinnati at Brooklyn game , Aug. 26, 1939 ... it was broadcast on station W2XBS (which later became WNBC) as a stunt for the New York World's Fair. As the leadoff hitter for the visiting Reds, Werber was the first player to bat on screen.

He was a very good player, who finished 12th in the AL MVP vote one year while playing on the last place Red Sox. He is generally regarded as the catalyst who helped turn the Reds into a championship team -- they won NL pennants in 1939 and 1940 ... and after losing to the Yankees in '39, they beat the Tigers for the 1940 world championship. He was 10th in the MVP vote in 1940 and got MVP votes in four different seasons.

One interesting aspect to his career. He actually signed with the Yankees in the spring of 1927 and spent much of that summer traveling with that famous team. Not sure of the rules at the time, but he returned to Duke that fall and played basketball and baseball through 1930. He played four games with the Yankees late in the 1930 season,. In his first at-bat -- against the St. Louis Browns, he drew a walk (Werber later said that he was lucky -- he was so scared that he couldn't have swung if he'd wanted to). The next guy up was Babe Ruth, who hit one out. Werber raced around the bases, then waited at home plate to shake Babe's hand. When Ruth finally arrived, he told Werber, "Kid, when I hit 'em, you don't have to run so fast."

Pardon me for prattling on about Werber ... that's to hide my embarrassment that I don't know the answer to the question. I very much doubt it's Groat. Is suspect that somebody from he late 1930s or early 1940s is still around.

[devildeac]

It's amazing how similar Bill Werber's career was to Dick Groat's ... in fact, you can try this trivia question: Who was the first Duke basketball All-American to bat leadoff for the National League championship team against the Yankees in the World Series? That would be Bill Werber ... Groat was the second.

He was indeed the first player to bat in a televised major league game. The Cincinnati at Brooklyn game , Aug. 26, 1939 ... it was broadcast on station W2XBS (which later became WNBC) as a stunt for the New York World's Fair. As the leadoff hitter for the visiting Reds, Werber was the first player to bat on screen.

He was a very good player, who finished 12th in the AL MVP vote one year while playing on the last place Red Sox. He is generally regarded as the catalyst who helped turn the Reds into a championship team -- they won NL pennants in 1939 and 1940 ... and after losing to the Yankees in '39, they beat the Tigers for the 1940 world championship. He was 10th in the MVP vote in 1940 and got MVP votes in four different seasons.

One interesting aspect to his career. He actually signed with the Yankees in the spring of 1927 and spent much of that summer traveling with that famous team. Not sure of the rules at the time, but he returned to Duke that fall and played basketball and baseball through 1930. He played four games with the Yankees late in the 1930 season,. In his first at-bat -- against the St. Louis Browns, he drew a walk (Werber later said that he was lucky -- he was so scared that he couldn't have swung if he'd wanted to). The next guy up was Babe Ruth, who hit one out. Werber raced around the bases, then waited at home plate to shake Babe's hand. When Ruth finally arrived, he told Werber, "Kid, when I hit 'em, you don't have to run so fast."

Pardon me for prattling on about Werber ... that's to hide my embarrassment that I don't know the answer to the question. I very much doubt it's Groat. Is suspect that somebody from he late 1930s or early 1940s is still around.

We are now officially SOL if OF doesn't know this answer. :o

So, I may not be right, but I'm not wrong. (yet)

[cspan37421]

Patrick Davidson played on Charlemagne's team.

That didn't take long.

What about Matt Christiansen? When he was a freshman, it was so long ago his last name was Abrahamsen.

[madscavenger]

Have at it.


Duke Players that played in the 1940s ---- http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/decade.php?decade=1940

Duke Players that played in the 1930s ---- http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/decade.php?decade=1930

Duke Players that played in the 1920s ---- http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/decade.php?decade=1920

[johnb]

Have at it.


Duke Players that played in the 1940s ---- http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/decade.php?decade=1940

Duke Players that played in the 1930s ---- http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/decade.php?decade=1930

Duke Players that played in the 1920s ---- http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/decade.php?decade=1920

Since I'm really busy at work,
I looked up a couple of random names that seemed unusual enough to be findable.

The first was Raymond Spuhler, born 1918. He got the Silver Star for his efforts in Korea and did enough in athletics to get a wikipedia page even though he died in 1982. Nickname: Hap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hap_Spuhler

The second was Thomas Cowdrick, who was also an all american soccer player and became a Marine. He died at 96 on December 31, 2013.
http://www.goldfinchfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Thomas-Cowdrick/#!/Obituary

One more: Bob Gantt, born 1922. He was an all american in football and was also the first Duke player to play professionally. He died in 1995.
http://www.ncshof.org/2012/03/09/bob-gantt/

Billy Werber (1908-2009). If we'd asked this question 7 or 8 years ago, we might have a winner. Werber was a huge MLB baseball star, and Duke's first basketball all american: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Werber

So,,, no luck with the oldest search.

[Indoor66]

Werber was also the last living person to have played with Babe Ruth.

I do not know the answer to the original question.

If I had to find out, I would contact the Duke Varsity Club.

My guess would be Jack Marin. Jack was always old.

[phaedrus]

Since I'm really busy at work,
I looked up a couple of random names that seemed unusual enough to be findable.

The first was Raymond Spuhler, born 1918. He got the Silver Star for his efforts in Korea and did enough in athletics to get a wikipedia page even though he died in 1982. Nickname: Hap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hap_Spuhler

The second was Thomas Cowdrick, who was also an all american soccer player and became a Marine. He died at 96 on December 31, 2013.
http://www.goldfinchfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Thomas-Cowdrick/#!/Obituary

One more: Bob Gantt, born 1922. He was an all american in football and was also the first Duke player to play professionally. He died in 1995.
http://www.ncshof.org/2012/03/09/bob-gantt/

Billy Werber (1908-2009). If we'd asked this question 7 or 8 years ago, we might have a winner. Werber was a huge MLB baseball star, and Duke's first basketball all american: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Werber

So,,, no luck with the oldest search.

You mean you thought Cornelius McGillicuddy was too common?

Having died in 1996, he is not the answer to the pending question, but a fascinating connection nonetheless.

https://floridairishheritagecenter.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/the-connie-macks-of-florida/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Mack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Mack_III

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Mack_IV

[jimsumner]

Since I'm really busy at work,
I looked up a couple of random names that seemed unusual enough to be findable.

The first was Raymond Spuhler, born 1918. He got the Silver Star for his efforts in Korea and did enough in athletics to get a wikipedia page even though he died in 1982. Nickname: Hap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hap_Spuhler

The second was Thomas Cowdrick, who was also an all american soccer player and became a Marine. He died at 96 on December 31, 2013.
http://www.goldfinchfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Thomas-Cowdrick/#!/Obituary

One more: Bob Gantt, born 1922. He was an all american in football and was also the first Duke player to play professionally. He died in 1995.
http://www.ncshof.org/2012/03/09/bob-gantt/

Billy Werber (1908-2009). If we'd asked this question 7 or 8 years ago, we might have a winner. Werber was a huge MLB baseball star, and Duke's first basketball all american: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Werber

So,,, no luck with the oldest search.

Clarification on Gantt. He is considered Duke's first NBA player. Duke had lots of pros in other sports before then.

He didn't actually play in the NBA but in the Basketball Association of America, which morphed into the NBA.

Gantt once appeared on the cover of Look Magazine as "Dixie's Finest Athlete."

Gantt once played at Duke against Duke. He was a member of the Norfolk Naval Training Station team at the time.

His father, Bob Gantt, Sr. was a great pitcher for Trinity in an era when college baseball was the apex sport. Bob, Jr. played on a legendary Durham high school basketball team that included Bones McKinney, Gordon Carver, Cedric Loftis and Garland Loftis.

All but McKinney went to Duke. Like Gantt, Carver was better known as a football player. That DHS team's student manager? The legendary Marvin "Skeeter" Francis. He had a medical condition that prevented him from playing sports.

But not writing about them at the highest level of competence.

Speaking of vets, John Seward played hoops for Duke before and after spending several months in Germany as an all-expenses paid guest of the Nazi government.

[devildeac]

Clarification on Gantt. He is considered Duke's first NBA player. Duke had lots of pros in other sports before then.

He didn't actually play in the NBA but in the Basketball Association of America, which morphed into the NBA.

Gantt once appeared on the cover of Look Magazine as "Dixie's Finest Athlete."

Gantt once played at Duke against Duke. He was a member of the Norfolk Naval Training Station team at the time.

His father, Bob Gantt, Sr. was a great pitcher for Trinity in an era when college baseball was the apex sport. Bob, Jr. played on a legendary Durham high school basketball team that included Bones McKinney, Gordon Carver, Cedric Loftis and Garland Loftis.

All but McKinney went to Duke. That team's student manager? The legendary Marvin "Skeeter" Francis. He had a medical condition that prevented him from playing sports.

But not writing about them at the highest level of competence.

Speaking of vets, John Seward played hoops for Duke before and after spending several months in Germany as an all-expenses paid guest of the Nazi government.

Ruh-roh. Nazi reference. This thread may be in trouble...

:rolleyes:

OTOH, I certainly do commend Jim and all the other folks researching the answer to this question, too. Very well done.

[NYBri]

We are definitely in prime, off-season mode here.

[Pghdukie]

My guess is that it was a Plumlee. They've been around forever !

[Bluedog]

I believe Corren Youmans (http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=385) ('47-'50) is 90 years old (DOB: 20 April 1926) and lives in Pinecrest, FL. At least, his name is on the deed still and he's registered to vote. That's as good as my stalking can go. :D Can anybody beat that?

[OldPhiKap]

How about George MOSES?

Does that make God Shammgod the oldest living former college player?

[jimsumner]

I believe Corren Youmans (http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=385) ('47-'50) is 90 years old (DOB: 20 April 1926) and lives in Pinecrest, FL. At least, his name is on the deed still and he's registered to vote. That's as good as my stalking can go. :D Can anybody beat that?

Youmans could be the answer.

Like a number of other folks mentioned on this thread, he was a multi-sport star, a standout end on the football team.

[Jarhead]

Youmans could be the answer.

Like a number of other folks mentioned on this thread, he was a multi-sport star, a standout end on the football team.

I'll confirm that. Corren P Youmans, aka Ceep, was the best player on the Duke team. Dick groat played on the Freshman team for that season, Youmans' senior year. The team had not yet converted to the faster play mode, but the freshmen did, only because Groat was so much like the top guards that Duke has had in more recent years. I'm trying to remember some of the names on Ceep's senoir year, but I'm drawing a blank.

[tbyers11]

I'll confirm that. Corren P Youmans, aka Ceep, was the best player on the Duke team. Dick groat played on the Freshman team for that season, Youmans' senior year. The team had not yet converted to the faster play mode, but the freshmen did, only because Groat was so much like the top guards that Duke has had in more recent years. I'm trying to remember some of the names on Ceep's senoir year, but I'm drawing a blank.

This should help your memory

http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/seasons/season-stats.php?season=1949-50

[Reilly]

This guy sort of started the whole 'know the player by just one name' thing:

http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=421

[devildeac]

This guy sort of started the whole 'know the player by just one name' thing:

http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=421

But, is he still living?

:rolleyes:

[devildeac]

I believe Corren Youmans (http://goduke.statsgeek.com/basketball-m/players/statlines.php?playerid=385) ('47-'50) is 90 years old (DOB: 20 April 1926) and lives in Pinecrest, FL. At least, his name is on the deed still and he's registered to vote. That's as good as my stalking can go. :D Can anybody beat that?

You may win the internet.

At least I was right for about 8 hours:o. That's more than I get at home :rolleyes: .

Those are great career stats:

0/390 FG

0/193 FT

973 career points

Some statistician has some 'splaining to do.

:eek:

[BLPOG]

You may win the internet.

At least I was right for about 8 hours:o. That's more than I get at home :rolleyes: .

Those are great career stats:

0/390 FG

0/193 FT

973 career points

Some statistician has some 'splaining to do.

:eek:

390 x 2 + 193 = 973

My guess is they only recorded made shots or that was all Duke had available, and when someone loaded a file into the database there was only whitespace for attempts and the next value was loaded instead, with the remaining empty element defaulting to zero. Do the other old stats have the same issue? Maybe we should alert them to the issue.

[devildeac]

390 x 2 + 193 = 973

My guess is they only recorded made shots or that was all Duke had available, and when someone loaded a file into the database there was only whitespace for attempts and the next value was loaded instead, with the remaining empty element defaulting to zero. Do the other old stats have the same issue? Maybe we should alert them to the issue.

That makes sense. I looked at the link for "Ashley" stats that someone posted up thread and they were in a similar format.

Thankfully we don't have stats from ancient biblical times as we'd likely have no clue as to how many of Noah's stats came from inside the arc and those which came from outside the arc. Then there'd be the eternal argument about his eFG% :rolleyes: . At least we know "back in the day" that they measured things by cubits instead of CMUs :rolleyes: .

[Neals384]

By the way, who is the oldest living DBR member?

[Indoor66]

By the way, who is the oldest living DBR member?

I feel like I am, today! :cool:

[devildeac]

By the way, who is the oldest living DBR member?

My guess: Jarhead.

Second place: Indoor66 cuz he's so cranky. (kidding, kidding. Mostly. ;) )

[Dukemega]

I have been buying vintage photos of Duke basketball players on Ebay and getting them autographed. I have been able to get Vacendak, Verga, Marin, etc. I ran across this photo of Connie Mack on Ebay and had to buy it.

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[Newton_14]

I have been buying vintage photos of Duke basketball players on Ebay and getting them autographed. I have been able to get Vacendak, Verga, Marin, etc. I ran across this photo of Connie Mack on Ebay and had to buy it.

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Dang! They had High Top Nikes back in those days? :) We soooo need to wear those uni's in our next "Throw Back Uni' game. :cool:

[devildeac]

I have been buying vintage photos of Duke basketball players on Ebay and getting them autographed. I have been able to get Vacendak, Verga, Marin, etc. I ran across this photo of Connie Mack on Ebay and had to buy it.

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Dang, he is one huge dude, even taller than the Chapel in the background of that photo. They must have used some small cinder blocks in those days :o:rolleyes: .

[Indoor66]

Dang, he is one huge dude, even taller than the Chapel in the background of that photo. They must have used some small cinder blocks in those days :o:rolleyes: .

...and lousy photographers - check out his/her shadow in the photo. :D:cool:

[sagegrouse]

Dang, he is one huge dude, even taller than the Chapel in the background of that photo. They must have used some small cinder blocks in those days :o:rolleyes: .

Clock tower?

[DukieInKansas]

Clock tower?

Looks like it to me.