Go to HELL, Carolina, go to HELL!!!!

[OldPhiKap]

Bang. Cats.

[Eternal Outlaw]

:cool::):D

[JBDuke]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

[fc3]

Wow. What a shot.

[CameronBlue]

Bang. Cats.

I was going to post something about UNC being both losers AND cheaters and how it must feel for UNC to suck at life....but you know, that was a helluva ending and credit to both teams.

But a sweet, sweet ending nonetheless.

[Channing]

What a tremendous ending. That was epic

[JNort]

What a game though! Way to go send them Holes back ta hell! Might be the 3rd loudest I've ever yelled after a made shot. Definitely the oldest I've ever been for a non Duke game

[60's Devil]

Evil does not prosper. 20 years of cheating will not be rewarded tonight.

[BluePanda]

Great job to Villanova - so well deserved and a true team effort.

GO TO HELL CAROLINA.

[Dukehky]

Karma is a female dog. They deserved to lose, and they deserved to lose just like that.

[pamtar]

L. O. L.

[mattman91]

:cool:

[devildeac]

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

I hope that symbolically means the NOA and the COI...

[DtrainBuckshot]

Duke wins! Duke wins!

[BeachBlueDevil]

I'm not a real religious guy, but let me thank the Big Fella in the sky for not allowing UNC to win.

Watching UNC lose at the buzzer in a National Title game is second to watching Duke win the title.

[OZZIE4DUKE]

http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gif http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gifWow! What a shot! I can sleep well tonight! Mt. Hatemore lives! http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gif http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gif

[davekay1971]

Where's the champagne?! Where is it? I need it!

(heck of a last two shots by Paige, though...)

[mattman91]

Headed over to Inside Carolina. Anyone have any popcorn?

[heyman25]

As Jackie Gleason used to say "How Sweet It Is"
Villanova ripped the hearts out of The Tarheel Nation.

[CatDevil]

Ball don't Lie... Cheats are in hell tonight for certain!!! I am soooo Glad. Love me some Wildcats.

Let's Go Duke and 9F 9F 9F

[BD80]

Duke wins! Duke wins!

Not as good as a Duke Natty, but ....

[trinity92]

I will wait patiently for a gif of Brice Johnson blubbering. Then I will put it on my desktop and amuse myself endlessly. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[devildeac]

http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gif http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gifWow! What a shot! I can sleep well tonight! Mt. Hatemore lives! http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gif http://www.crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/devil9f.gif

It's likely to get more crowded on the Mount tonight...

[Newton_14]

"You got Austin River'd"!!!!

In the title game no less!

Big Smooth says Hi

[moonpie23]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha....


CRUSHING DEFEAT!!!!!!



blaming refs in 5, 4, 3, 2, ......

[MCFinARL]

Where's the champagne?! Where is it? I need it!

(heck of a last two shots by Paige, though...)

Yes, and since Paige is by far the least detestable of the Tarheels I'm glad he got a moment to shine before tasting bitter defeat.

[dukelifer]

Where's the champagne?! Where is it? I need it!

(heck of a last two shots by Paige, though...)

Paige played his heart out.

[DukeFanSince1990]

And they have to watch that shot every year like the Kentucky fans have to watch Christian hit his. Every year. From now on.

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[dukelifer]

Jay Wright finally becomes an elite coach

[Newton_14]

Ball don't Lie... Cheats are in hell tonight for certain!!! I am soooo Glad. Love me some Wildcats.

Let's Go Duke and 9F 9F 9F

Love it love it love it love it!


So awesome!!

[Newton_14]

And they have to watch that shot every year like the Kentucky fans have to watch Christian hit his. Every year. From now on.

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ANd whats worse??? They thought it was going to be the Paige shot replayed forevah!!

[Merlindevildog91]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha...


CRUSHING DEFEAT!!!!!!



blaming refs in 5, 4, 3, 2, ...

In my hotel room the only channel that worked was the sheep feed with Brendan Haywood and Wes Durham.

Believe me, the refs were blamed throughout.

Thank you, Wildcats. Great game.

[CoachJ10]

Who are the Tarheels more upset at...the ref who didn't call that obvious travel (one of about a dozen missed travels during the game)...or Hicks and his atrocious defense on that last play?

[CrazyNotCrazie]

"We beat a class program" is the only thing Wright got wrong tonight.

[bbq-devil]

One shining moment 😎
And they have to watch that shot every year like the Kentucky fans have to watch Christian hit his. Every year. From now on.

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[devildeac]

Sporks for everyone tonight!

[Neals384]

Best, most exciting and satisfying title game in a long, long, time. Since oh, say, 2015.

unc can take heart that they have another runnerup trophy to keep the NIT runnerup trophy company in the trophy case.

[OldPhiKap]

Paige played his heart out.

On an earlier thread, I hoped Paige would have a good game and that the Heels would lose.

Christmas came early to the OPK household tonight.

[DukeWarhead]

Nova just became my second favorite team of all time

[jacone21]

I am just so happy at all the faces I'm not seeing on my TV right now. Thank you, Kris Jenkins. You made my Spring, brother.

[ChillinDuke]

The best possible consolation for the Cheaters making the final is an overtime forcing, epic heave three by legend Marcus Paige only to be outdone on the very next and final possession by an even more epic, history-writing, soul-crushing three that will be replayed over and over and over every single year for the rest of my life and well beyond. The legend that was to be Marcus Paige's shot to force overtime and perhaps a UNC rout lasted for 4.7 seconds before it was all but erased, forever to live as an asterisk next to a national championship loss.

What an incredible game. What an incredible ending. Wow.

- Chillin

[DukeWarhead]

Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

[Saratoga2]

Set up for an absolute dagger. Best Carolina team in a long time but not a class program.

[stillcrazie]

I am going to sleep well tonight!!!

GTHC!!!

[BoiseDevil]

The fam was cheering so loud our herding dog bit me on the elbow....

How do you post pics?

[El_Diablo]

Cheaters' press conference is on ESPN now.

[Troublemaker]

Believe me, I'm not trying to claim any of Nova's glory here with this post.

But I do wonder if this loss was just a tad bit extra distasteful to UNC fans because of some similarities of Nova's style with Duke.

All that switching on defense, all that fronting of the post and effectively denying Brice the ball (very reminiscent of the second half in Chapel Hill, no?), 4-out offense. Both private universities.

Obviously Duke didn't win (or did we?). Nova won. But you could make the case that Nova did some Duke things (at an exceptional level that we didn't reach this season) to win it.

[FerryFor50]

I'm not a real religious guy, but let me thank the Big Fella in the sky for not allowing UNC to win.

Watching UNC lose at the buzzer in a National Title game is second to watching Duke win the title.

But I thought God made the sky blue because he was a Kerlina fan? 🙄

[heyman25]

Just saw a smiling Athletic Director Kevin White on post game. Go DUKE.We will be back next year!

[Billy Dat]

An absolutely epic title game, one of the best ever no doubt. For Heel fans to see the team mount the epic 10 point comeback with Marcus Paige, the most likable kid to wear that uniform maybe ever making championship play after championship play including the final 8 points on a closely guarded corner 3, a bare knuckle brawl 2 under the hoop and then a double clutch miracle 3 to tie, only to lose the title on a flawlessly executed buzzer beater - that is just a cruel brutal stomach punch. What a night.

[FerryFor50]

Believe me, I'm not trying to claim any of Nova's glory here with this post.

But I do wonder if this loss was just a tad bit extra distasteful to UNC fans because of some similarities of Nova's style with Duke.

All that switching on defense, all that fronting of the post and effectively denying Brice the ball (very reminiscent of the second half in Chapel Hill, no?), 4-out offense. Both private universities.

Obviously Duke didn't win (or did we?). Nova won. But you could make the case that Nova did some Duke things (at an exceptional level that we didn't reach this season) to win it.

No, Duke didn't win. We all won tonight.

[plimnko]

first comes crying, next comes excuses (refs cheated the cheaters), and then.....it's PROBATION TIME!!!!

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Cheaters' press conference is on ESPN now.
Do have to respect Paige. The kid is classy.

[heyman25]

Glad to see Kenny Smith unable to celebrate.

[moonpie23]

wow.....y'all should check it out...

[devildeac]

But I thought God made the sky blue because he was a Kerlina fan? 🙄

But it gets much more royal blue looking the closer you get to heaven.

[FerryFor50]

wow....y'all should check it out...

Reminds me of a UNC title in the past 6 years - rare.

[ChillinDuke]

Roy on solo now on ESPN.

OH MAN!!! HERE WE GO!!!

- Chillin

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Roy on solo now on ESPN.

OH MAN!!! HERE WE GO!!!

- Chillin
This gonna be good... I hope.

[OldPhiKap]

^^^ Roy already blaming the refs for not calling one late . . .

[turnandburn55]

Reminds me of a UNC title in the past 6 years - rare.

Soon to be the last 20 years ;)

[Faison1]

Marcus Paige is an EXTREMELY nice kid. Would love to have him in a Duke jersey.

Brice Johnson is equally respectable.

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?

[Bostondevil]

That whole last play was a thing of beauty.

[OldPhiKap]

Roy looks really old right now.

[FerryFor50]

Marcus Paige is an EXTREMELY nice kid. Would love to have him in a Duke jersey.

Brice Johnson is equally respectable.

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?

Johnson is only respectable off the court.

Hate his preening and whining on the court.

[plimnko]

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?

NOPE

[devildeac]

Roy looks really old right now.

Nearing retirement age?

:rolleyes:

[kAzE]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_men%27s_basketball


The North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball program is the intercollegiate men's basketball team of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The Tar Heels have won five(almost 6 until Jenkins killed the dream) NCAA Tournament Championships (1957, 1982, 1993, 2005 and 2009)[1] and were retroactively named the national champions by the Helms Athletic Foundation and the Premo-Porretta Power Poll for their undefeated season in 1924.[2] North Carolina's five NCAA Tournament Championships are tied for third-most all-time.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

EDIT: aw, they took it down :(

[ChillinDuke]

Darn. Nice press conference. Classy from Marcus and Roy.

We did get one Roy talking about Roy in the third person, for those keeping score at home.

- Chillin

[FerryFor50]

^^^ Roy already blaming the refs for not calling one late . . .

Color me shocked.

Any Haiti comparison yet?

[OldPhiKap]

Nearing retirement age?

:rolleyes:

Time to hit the course. Outstanding golf weather this week.

[OldPhiKap]

Color me shocked.

Any Haiti comparison yet?

He also made a reference to wishing they had better defense on the last shooter, getting up on him. Looked pretty good to me actually.

[miramar]

1. The cheaters did not prosper.

2. Dad gum it, Carolina will have to live without Johnson and Paige next year. Is it too early to start looking that far ahead?

3. We won last year playing four freshmen. UNC lost this year without having to play any freshmen. I guess solid recruiting pays off.

[duke blue brewcrew]

And they have to watch that shot every year like the Kentucky fans have to watch Christian hit his. Every year. From now on.

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It couldn't happen to a more deserving team. They used shennanigans to delay punishment long enough to give themselves a chance to win a title. I will say, I'm impressed with Paige, he's been one helluva competitor his entire career and he played his butt off in that game. The shot to tie the game was insane. The heartbreak that followed it was poetic justice served on a platter for UNC CHeater nation. I'll sleep with a big smile on my face, that's for sure!

[pamtar]

Top post on IC: "The better team lost tonight." Refs, refs, refs, voice of reason, refs, refs...

[gam7]

Jay Wright finally becomes an elite coach

Almost right. Jay Wright finally recognized as an elite coach.

[alteran]

Nova just became my second favorite team of all time

Yep.

Figures they'd be the one Big East team we didn't add to our conference. Would love to see UNC have to look at them at least once a year.

[devildeac]

Next up?

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[cspan37421]

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?

Not for me, but it is close.

Tonight's shot counted for a lot more. No one can deny that, and that factors big into making it close. But not enough, because:


Laettner's shot still counted for something important (a final four berth)
The Hill-to-Laettner shot required full-court travel with much less time
Hill-to-Laettner shot was for either win or lose. This one would just be to send it to OT if it missed.
IMO the Hill-to-Laettner game cannot be topped for a thrilling, back and forth, high-performance offensive game in the face of real defensive effort (i.e., high scoring without NBA All-Star game caliber of play).



All the Nova shot had was - it was for a national championship. NC game is a big stage. But the shot was for an NC vs overtime, not NC vs. runner-up.

[El_Diablo]

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[BeachBlueDevil]

But I thought God made the sky blue because he was a Kerlina fan? 🙄

That's lie Carolina fans are told at birth... God also isn't a fan of cheaters.

[Ima Facultiwyfe]

Marcus Paige is an EXTREMELY nice kid. Would love to have him in a Duke jersey.

Brice Johnson is equally respectable.

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?

Never as long as one Kentucky fan is still alive!
Love, Ima

[mattman91]

http://www.theonion.com/article/frustrated-unc-student-too-busy-studying-players-t-52684

Hahaha...enjoy.

[OldPhiKap]

But I thought God made the sky blue because he was a Kerlina fan? 🙄

The Catholic school won. Just sayin'.

[ChillinDuke]

Yep.

Figures they'd be the one Big East team we didn't add to our conference. Would love to see UNC have to look at them at least once a year.

Sounds like they should reconsider moving to the FBS. I'd take 'em in a heartbeat just for the reason you stated.

- Chillin

[devildeac]

http://www.theonion.com/article/frustrated-unc-student-too-busy-studying-players-t-52684

Hahaha...enjoy.

Funny. Damned funny.

[eddiehaskell]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

[Scorp4me]

Blaming the refs was to be expected. What continues to amaze me is the lack of awareness unc fans have always had and continue to have. There are two threads condoning about one and done players not attending enough classes. Really??? One of them is a Brandon ingram thread where they discuss how they didn't need him this year with no regard for the coming years. Seriously??? One poster actually said and I'm not making this up, with regards to the ncaa and the refs that "God was watching tonight." Well if God cares about the outcone of a game you darn right He was watching, that's why you lost.

I mean i know it's their way, grew up around them. I'm just amazed at how strong their ignorance is.

[DukeFanSince1990]

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[jipops]

But I thought God made the sky blue because he was a Kerlina fan? 🙄

It's just so nobody has to step in it.

[hudlow]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.


Be sure to ask them if they want a hug when you tell them that...:)

[MarkD83]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

April fools day was 3 days ago.....so aren't you a little late with this comment.

[devildeac]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

"Where's D---?" Watching UNC fans going through an unsatisfying emotional roller coaster, still relishing the national championship trophy from last season, and not worrying about the coming NCAA sanctions. Also working on getting a 5 star big man to help counter Luke Maye. Perfect end to the game.Click image for larger version.



And that photo is why you never feel bad for this outcome."


Never, never, ever feel bad for those cheating bastards.

(FF50 posted this in the "game" thread. I can't get the photo moved over here but it's post 502.)

[miramar]

Nova just became my second favorite team of all time

"I now forgive them for crushing us in 2009."

She was sitting in the student section in Boston near Kyle Singler's sister, who spent much of the game with her head in her hands. It was that bad.

Just one question: Does anyone think that Taylor King was celebrating the championship?

[eddiehaskell]

April fools day was 3 days ago...so aren't you a little late with this comment.truthfully I can only say that because they lost, but that feeling is there. Imagine if that Butler shot went in...we would've been in the most pain imaginable. For that reason I will go a little easier on them...at least until they recover a little.

[dukelifer]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

I do too. A six year old son of a friend is an avid Panthers and UNC fan. He watched both lose this year. That is hard.

[eddiehaskell]

I do too. A six year old son of a friend is an avid Panthers and UNC fan. He watched both lose this year. That is hard.As fans I think we can empathize a little even with bitter sport enemies...especially when it ends in such dramatic fashion.

[BluePanda]

http://www.theonion.com/article/frustrated-unc-student-too-busy-studying-players-t-52684

Frustrated UNC Student Too Busy Studying For Players’ Tests To Watch Title Game

[Bostondevil]

"I now forgive them for crushing us in 2009."

She was sitting in the student section in Boston near Kyle Singler's sister, who spent much of the game with her head in her hands. It was that bad.

Just one question: Does anyone think that Taylor King was celebrating the championship?

Gee thanks for reminding me of that one - I was there too. And yes, it was that bad.

[moonpie23]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

umm...negatory, there, good buddy......they shouldn't have even been PLAYING in the post season...


let em cook....

[weezie]

"Where's D---?"... And that photo is why you never feel bad for this outcome."


Never, never, ever feel bad for those cheating bastards.


Yessiree Bob, that says it all.

[eddiehaskell]

umm...negatory, there, good buddy...they shouldn't have even been PLAYING in the post season...


let em cook...I was saving that for a UNC win. In this moment I thankfully don't have to bring up their cheating...they lost in on the court.

[eddiehaskell]

Btw - I almost cried tears of joy seeing Brice Johnson crying his eyes out. There's no screaming and intimidating stares to be had.

[OldPhiKap]

Btw - I almost cried tears of joy seeing Brice Johnson crying his eyes out. There's no screaming and intimidating stares to be had.

Did he hang on the rim while doing it?

[weezie]

... I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

Hahahahaha, NOT. :cool:

[BLPOG]

Where's the champagne?! Where is it? I need it!

(heck of a last two shots by Paige, though...)

It's gone. I just finished it, which is why I'm only now joining this thread.

[BandAlum83]

It could happen!

[sagegrouse]

Marcus Paige is an EXTREMELY nice kid. Would love to have him in a Duke jersey.

Brice Johnson is equally respectable.

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?

No, and for two reasons. (1) Laettner misses and Duke loses. Jenkins misses, and it's overtime. (2) Duke had to do a 3/4 court-length pass to set up the shot.

[eddiehaskell]

No, and for two reasons. (1) Laettner misses and Duke loses. Jenkins misses, and it's overtime. (2) Duke had to do a 3/4 court-length pass to set up the shot.I'm not sure man. This was the national title game. 99% of the time UNC wins in OT after Paige's unbelievable pump 3 from way out. Then to have Nova hit an equally impressive 3 to win it...best ending to a game in my life. This was just an amazing roller coaster ending. We saw UNC at basketball's pinnacle and then have it snatched away moments later.

[weezie]

But wait! There's a thread on ic titled "Foul Descrepancy and refs" seriously.

They really make it too easy...

[BandAlum83]

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?

No....Not a chance....Never happen....

I should flame you for just thinking it....double flame you for writing it!

[jipops]

As nice as it is to see unc lose, and in this fashion...it's not even in the same galaxy as what it felt like at this time last year. Tonight's result gets me through the rest of the work week. Last year still has me beaming.

[PalmettoExpat]

1. Lose in a heartbreaking fashion to an excellent team playing (hints of) of a Duke style.
2. Lose 2 best players to graduation.
3. Recruiting efforts not promising to bring in top talent to compete for another title for some time.
4. Duke will be LOADED next year.
5. Roy.
6. ...what's the other one? Oh right, sanctions.

Feel bad for the players...UNC has got to make some real changes as an institution. Congrats to Paige and Johnson for good careers, and Nova on an amazing effort and season.

Go Duke!

[SoCalDukeFan]

You know that they will be playing and replaying the last shot or shots on Sportscenter et al about a million times. Fun viewing in Chapel Hill.

SoCal

[BandAlum83]

Nearing retirement age?

:rolleyes:

Past retirement age

[BandAlum83]

I'm not sure man. This was the national title game. 99% of the time UNC wins in OT after Paige's unbelievable pump 3 from way out. Then to have Nova hit an equally impressive 3 to win it...best ending to a game in my life. This was just an amazing roller coaster ending. We saw UNC at basketball's pinnacle and then have it snatched away moments later.

I must be old. Best game ending in my life was 1983 NC State game. Were you not alive then?

The Cardiac Kids!

NC State prohibitive underdogs vs. Houston Phi Slamma Jamma.

Only in the tournament because they won the ACC tournament

Only 2 dunks in the game - both by State. First and last baskets of the game.

Valvano running around the court not knowing what to do. Looking for anyone to hug.

Watch and learn, or remember...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICZ8HO8c9bw

[cwarner62]

Marcus Paige will go down in history ... with Sean Woods :cool:

Incredible game, well played on both sides (poorly officiated on both sides) and the best possible ending!! Even better if they have to stew over this for a year or two of probation before they can even play another NCAA game :D


The best possible consolation for the Cheaters making the final is an overtime forcing, epic heave three by legend Marcus Paige only to be outdone on the very next and final possession by an even more epic, history-writing, soul-crushing three that will be replayed over and over and over every single year for the rest of my life and well beyond. The legend that was to be Marcus Paige's shot to force overtime and perhaps a UNC rout lasted for 4.7 seconds before it was all but erased, forever to live as an asterisk next to a national championship loss.

What an incredible game. What an incredible ending. Wow.

- Chillin

[gep]

Quote Originally Posted by Faison1 View Post
Marcus Paige is an EXTREMELY nice kid. Would love to have him in a Duke jersey.

Brice Johnson is equally respectable.

Having said that, does anyone think 'Nova's shot will eclipse that of Laettner's?


No, and for two reasons. (1) Laettner misses and Duke loses. Jenkins misses, and it's overtime. (2) Duke had to do a 3/4 court-length pass to set up the shot.

Here's one "positive" reason why Nova's shot will eclipse Lattner's. CBS, ESPN, etc will show that shot over and over forever. And each time, unc is on the losing end:cool:

[eddiehaskell]

I must be old. Best game ending in my life was 1983 NC State game. Were you not alive then?

The Cardiac Kids!

NC State prohibitive underdogs vs. Houston Phi Slamma Jamma.

Only in the tournament because they won the ACC tournament

Only 2 dunks in the game - both by State. First and last baskets of the game.

Valvano running around the court not knowing what to do. Looking for anyone to hug.

Watch and learn, or remember...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICZ8HO8c9bwI wasn't alive then, but it's a little harder for me to be emotionally invested in NCST basketball. Heck, I find myself pulling for non-UNC ACC teams in the tourney, but I'm rooting a million times harder for a UNC loss in the title game.

And what this game brings to the table is not one but TWO amazing shots. The world was a crazy place when Paige hit an amazing 3 with 4 seconds left. To have that followed up by another amazing game winner was incredible. It was like being at basketball's summit two times in a matter of 1 minute. I certainly couldn't ask for more and pray that I'm alive to see another title game like this.

[Coballs]

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article69975172.html

[throatybeard]

"Retirement age," is that Silent/Boomer lingo? Pretty sure my X crew and the Millennials will know no such widespread phenomenon.

[Coballs]

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[BigWayne]

But I thought God made the sky blue because he was a Kerlina fan? 🙄

No, the janitor made the toilet water Carolina blue.

[plimnko]

look on the bright side....roy didn't have to suffer through another scissor mishap.

[Indoor66]

Jay Wright finally becomes an elite coach

Let's not go too far....

[Indoor66]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

Eddie, I question your soul. unCheat has gamed the system for 25+ years. They have earned no pity or solace.

[wilson]

Eddie, I question your soul. unCheat has gamed the system for 25+ years. They have earned no pity or solace.This is why I find the IC complaints about officiating particularly rich. Basically, they're aggrieved by their perception that someone has broken the rules and gone unpunished. Can't make this stuff up.

[wsb3]

But wait! There's a thread on ic titled "Foul Descrepancy and refs" seriously.

They really make it too easy...

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[cspan37421]

Eddie, I question your soul. unCheat has gamed the system for 25+ years. They have earned no pity or solace.

I have to agree with Indoor66 here. Sure, Paige seems like a class act. But increasingly, it appears that the fake classes gambit has been supplanted by the fake learning disability gambit. If reports are right, evidence supports the notion that UNC is still trying to cheat the system, so they are still deserving of obloquy.

If I were the COI I would feel they deserve a 5 year ban on competition in revenue sports. As a Duke fan the only hesitation I have with this is that IF their academic reputation outside of "student athletes" survives intact (say, because "impermissible benefits were not available to the general student population", so the perception of a non-athlete's UNC degree is untarnished), this could turn them into the southern University of Chicago. I have this "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" worry in the back of my head.

But there's no doubt they would re-emphasize athletics as soon as the ban was over, however. Too many sports-crazy alums and ordinary people who live vicariously through them.

[swood1000]

I've still got last year's championship game on my DVR. Think I might keep this one on there for a while too. The second half especially could stand another viewing or two. What a game!

[TruBlu]

unc has announced that due to years of cheating, they self imposed a post season ban for this years basketball team with 4.7 seconds remaining in the championship game. Hence they are declaring themselves co-champions, and will hang a banner.

In response, the NCAA has issued a statement: "The unc system has made this announcement willingly, and we accept their self imposed penalty and consider our investigation complete. Due to unc's integrity and rapid response in this matter, and their willingness to set an example for the rest of our member schools, we are awarding them an automatic berth in the 2016-2017 Championship game. Furthermore, we are moving the venue to the Dean E. Smith Center, with the starting time for tip-off to be determined by unc, with a 2 minute warning to be given to the opposing team. Referees will be selected from the seniors on the unc cheerleader squad."

[BD80]

No, and for two reasons. (1) Laettner misses and Duke loses. Jenkins misses, and it's overtime. (2) Duke had to do a 3/4 court-length pass to set up the shot.


I'm not sure man. This was the national title game. 99% of the time UNC wins in OT after Paige's unbelievable pump 3 from way out. Then to have Nova hit an equally impressive 3 to win it...best ending to a game in my life. This was just an amazing roller coaster ending. We saw UNC at basketball's pinnacle and then have it snatched away moments later.


Marcus Paige will go down in history ... with Sean Woods ...

Duke/UK still the best game of all time. Woods' shot nearly as improbable as Paige's. Duke comes back in half the time to turn loss into victory. Whole game heavyweight slugfest.


I must be old. Best game ending in my life was 1983 NC State game. Were you not alive then? ...

Best championship game in history.


6226

Awesome.

Any pictures of MJ crying after the loss?

[devildeac]

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article69975172.html

Boo-freaking-hoo!

[weezie]

Duke/UK still the best game of all time. Woods' shot nearly as improbable as Paige's. Duke comes back in half the time to turn loss into victory. Whole game heavyweight slugfest....Best championship game in history...Awesome...Any pictures of MJ crying after the loss?

I think it's marvelous that we've managed to take this thread into a discussion of how "We Still The Best" to paraphrase blazindeedub.

Love it!
What a beautiful morning!!!

[Saratoga2]

1. Lose in a heartbreaking fashion to an excellent team playing (hints of) of a Duke style.
2. Lose 2 best players to graduation.
3. Recruiting efforts not promising to bring in top talent to compete for another title for some time.
4. Duke will be LOADED next year.
5. Roy.
6. ...what's the other one? Oh right, sanctions.

Feel bad for the players...UNC has got to make some real changes as an institution. Congrats to Paige and Johnson for good careers, and Nova on an amazing effort and season.

Go Duke!

It was a "Dad Gum" good team with some excellent players and a class (low) program. The delaying tactics in hope of winning another National Championship didn't work either.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

It was a "Dad Gum" good team with some excellent players and a class (low) program. The delaying tactics in hope of winning another National Championship didn't work either.

The failure of the delay technique is truly a win for college basketball.

[Indoor66]

And one from PackPride (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1MDUcwVVZw) that deserves to be here. Songs can tell it all.... :cool:

[gurufrisbee]

But wait! There's a thread on ic titled "Foul Descrepancy and refs" seriously.

They really make it too easy...

I love all the refs whining. NC had their #2 scorer forced to sit for big chunks of the game due to foul trouble, right?

No wait, that was Nova.

So NC had their most valuable big man off the bench forced to sit for foul trouble, right?

No wait, that was Nova, too.

So NC ended up losing because of the fouls when they clearly were better because they shot a much better percentage during the game?

No wait....

[eddiehaskell]

Duke/UK still the best game of all time. Woods' shot nearly as improbable as Paige's. Duke comes back in half the time to turn loss into victory. Whole game heavyweight slugfestThe big divider for me was that this was a national title game. One of those teams was walking out as a national champion. Very few title games have ended so dramatically.

[David Bunkley]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha

[devildeac]

I love all the refs whining. NC had their #2 scorer forced to sit for big chunks of the game due to foul trouble, right?

No wait, that was Nova.

So NC had their most valuable big man off the bench forced to sit for foul trouble, right?

No wait, that was Nova, too.

So NC ended up losing because of the fouls when they clearly were better because they shot a much better percentage during the game?

No wait...

And nary a word when many of their teams in the last 30 years or more made more FT than their opponents even attempted. And, yea, I'm looking at you especially travelin' tyler.

[jv001]

And nary a word when many of their teams in the last 30 years or more made more FT than their opponents even attempted. And, yea, I'm looking at you especially travelin' tyler.

Don't forget about his Mom. :cool: GoDuke!

[Skitzle]

The failure of the delay technique is truly a win for college basketball.

This this this this this. If UNC had won it all as a result of the delay, I would have hated it, because it was such a stupid obvious tactic. Worse the NCAA indirectly COMPLIED WITH THE DELAY understanding why they did it. The NCAA should be FURIOUS with UNC for trying to pull some ish. Letting UNC get this far shows just how big a sham the NCAA is.

If UNC was really a class program, their winning would have been stung, but not enfuriated me as much.

[Skitzle]

The big divider for me was that this was a national title game. One of those teams was walking out as a national champion. Very few title games have ended so dramatically.

I mean the 2010 game ended with just the opposite...

[Atlanta Duke]

TBS showed Kenny Smith's jubilation after Marcus Paige tied it up

Linking to a NBA on TNT tweet that tells the rest of the story - video of a jubilant Charles Barkley after Kris Jenkins makes the shot as a despondent Kenny the Jet turns away

Thrill of victory... Agony of defeat :)

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/717229145051291648/video/1

[aimo]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

I LIVE amongst a lot of hole fans in NC, and I am so !@#%$^ relieved that I won't have to listen to their crap had they won. Whining about losing is fine, but the alternative . . . you just don't know unless you are here in the middle of it.

Last night I screeched almost as loud as when Duke beat them in Crapel Hell this season!

[Channing]

I don't know anything about these guys other than what I see on TV during games and in press conferences, but I, like many, really like Marcus Paige. I wish he would have chosen another school because I would have enjoyed rooting for him. On the other hand, I am certainly not going to miss Brice Johnson. The preening and flexing and mean-mugging was unbearable.

For Villanova, I really like the entire team. I think its clear they take cues from their coach, and Jay Wright is nothing but class. The way he reacted to that final shot was mind blowing.

[OZ]

Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them.

I know a lot of Hole fans too and that is exactly the reason I don't feel bad for them.

[whereinthehellami]

The NCAA needs to step up and do the right thing and give UnCheat the punishment they deserve.

[gus]

"no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

I dunno -- I didn't think this season's games are at risk of being vacated too.

[BeachBlueDevil]

TBS showed Kenny Smith's jubilation after Marcus Paige tied it up

Linking to a NBA on TNT tweet that tells the rest of the story - video of a jubilant Charles Barkley after Kris Jenkins makes the shot as a despondent Kenny the Jet turns away

Thrill of victory... Agony of defeat :)

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/717229145051291648/video/1

Chuck undoubtedly took the Villanova to cover the spread and when that shot went it, he had made some coin.

[Billy Dat]

TBS showed Kenny Smith's jubilation after Marcus Paige tied it up

Linking to a NBA on TNT tweet that tells the rest of the story - video of a jubilant Charles Barkley after Kris Jenkins makes the shot as a despondent Kenny the Jet turns away

Thrill of victory... Agony of defeat :)

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/717229145051291648/video/1

This is fantastic, but why the heck is Chuck watching something on TV that is happening 30 feet behind him in real life?!?!?

[NashvilleDevil]

This is fantastic, but why the heck is Chuck watching something on TV that is happening 30 feet behind him in real life?!?!?

TV had the better angle. Set was right behind the basket where Jenkins made the shot.

[Billy Dat]

I think its clear they take cues from their coach, and Jay Wright is nothing but class. The way he reacted to that final shot was mind blowing.

He was very cool, in stark contrast to his behavior in the final 3 minutes when he was increasingly losing his mind. Raf said, "I have never seen Jay Wright yell at Arch like that..." and I thought to myself - this dude is losing it when he needs to be a calming influence. It ultimately didn't matter, but I think Wright was simply exhausted and relieved. The next time he wins one, he can be euphoric.

[OldPhiKap]

This is fantastic, but why the heck is Chuck watching something on TV that is happening 30 feet behind him in real life?!?!?

Perhaps he was really in de Annapolis.

[swood1000]

I watched the pro-Villanova broadcast but who prefers listening to commentary that is intentionally skewed? If these announcers provide some expertise then let's hear their impartial evaluation. I especially don't want to hear commentary from someone who is intentionally biased toward one side, and who was hired in order to slant the commentary. Even a hard-core fan will usually not give you commentary that is intentionally biased. Next time I think I'll turn off the TV commentary and turn on a radio show that at least purports to be neutral.

[OldPhiKap]

Favorite part of the AP article on the game:


Not surprisingly, the tears flowed from the 65-year-old coach who, some speculate, could have worked his last game on the sideline; the entire sports program at Chapel Hill is under NCAA scrutiny and awaiting possible penalties for a long-running academic-fraud case.

[BigZ]

Is it bad that I'm more happy this morning than the morning after Duke won the Championship last year?

[hudlow]

Adding to the misery...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/someone-sucker-punched-the-unc-mascot-moments-after-the-tar-heels-lost

[Dukehky]

TBS showed Kenny Smith's jubilation after Marcus Paige tied it up

Linking to a NBA on TNT tweet that tells the rest of the story - video of a jubilant Charles Barkley after Kris Jenkins makes the shot as a despondent Kenny the Jet turns away

Thrill of victory... Agony of defeat :)

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/717229145051291648/video/1

This was a great tweet because it was a quote from "Triumph" by Wu-Tang

[OldPhiKap]

Adding to the misery...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/someone-sucker-punched-the-unc-mascot-moments-after-the-tar-heels-lost

I have trouble seeing what happened, but something wrong happened.

[Channing]

I watched the pro-Villanova broadcast

with about 3 minutes left I flipped over to the UNC broadcast :cool::cool:... I actually think Wes Durham is a great call guy.

[hurleyfor3]

So the three greatest ncaa tournament moments involve: Duke winning, NC State winning and unc losing. I can live with this.

[DukeFanSince1990]

I have trouble seeing what happened, but something wrong happened.

It looks like a cheer leader knocks him down.....

[hudlow]

I have trouble seeing what happened, but something wrong happened.

The Invisible Hand of God???

[NashvilleDevil]

Chuck undoubtedly took the Villanova to cover the spread and when that shot went it, he had made some coin.

And Chuck played for the Sixers to start his career.

[Ca Dukie]

Adding to the misery...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/someone-sucker-punched-the-unc-mascot-moments-after-the-tar-heels-lost
It must have been Grayson Allen.

[DukeFanSince1990]

It must have been Grayson Allen.

Someone needs to edit Grayson sliding under him right as he falls. HA!

[OldPhiKap]

The Invisible Hand of God???

Well, pride doth goeth before the fall. . . .

[Clay Feet POF]

Roy looks really old right now.

After seeing Roy like this, I dropped my Stone!

[DrChainsaw]

Adding to the misery...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/someone-sucker-punched-the-unc-mascot-moments-after-the-tar-heels-lost

There's GOT to be a better shot of that .....

[hudlow]

It must have been Grayson Allen.

Excellent! It would almost be worth it to sign up on IC to post that....almost. :)

[SoCalDukeFan]

Could someone please tell me which ref guided Jenkins shot into the basket?


SoCal

[Clay Feet POF]

TBS showed Kenny Smith's jubilation after Marcus Paige tied it up

Linking to a NBA on TNT tweet that tells the rest of the story - video of a jubilant Charles Barkley after Kris Jenkins makes the shot as a despondent Kenny the Jet turns away

Thrill of victory... Agony of defeat :)

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/717229145051291648/video/1


This made my day!!

[TKG]

Could someone please tell me which ref guided Jenkins shot into the basket?


SoCal


In the voice of DES: "Number 15 set a questionable pick."

[Atlanta Duke]

Chuck undoubtedly took the Villanova to cover the spread and when that shot went it, he had made some coin.

Chuck probably had a wager in play but also this

Barkley said he was pulling for Villanova with zeal because his daughter graduated from the school...

“My daughter was living and dying with every game for the last three weeks, so I was really more excited for her, to be honest with you,’’

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/finalfour/2016/04/05/charles-barkley-explains-his-cheering-villanova/82642720/

[Edouble]

So the three greatest ncaa tournament moments involve: Duke winning, NC State winning and unc losing. I can live with this.

Another shot that is shown with some frequency is Mario Chalmers's three over Memphis. This took place during the game that Roy wore his Kansas sticker, so that one fits in nicely with the above triumvirate.

Duke wins
NC State wins
Cheaters lose
Roy stickers

[ricks68]

Chuck probably had a wager in play but also this

Barkley said he was pulling for Villanova with zeal because his daughter graduated from the school...

“My daughter was living and dying with every game for the last three weeks, so I was really more excited for her, to be honest with you,’’

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/finalfour/2016/04/05/charles-barkley-explains-his-cheering-villanova/82642720/

My take, from observations of numerous on air interactions between Kenny and Charles, is that Charles isn't a fan of Kenny's over the top homerisms, and was overjoyed with sticking it to him.😊

ricks

[jdj4duke]

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/717229145051291648/video/1

I saw the video last night and wondered if Charles did it on purpose because "the jet" is so totally insufferable about UNC and Duke all the time.

[slower]

No, the janitor made the toilet water Carolina blue.

Nice. great minds...

[elvis14]

I'm really happy today (as I wear my 2015 National Championship shirt). I feel as though a weight has been lifted. What a beautiful thing it was to see the cheaters lose that game that way.


Do have to respect Paige. The kid is classy.

I hope Paige misses every shot he ever takes. He chose to go to UNCheat. Might have been an nice kid once upon a time but once he chose to go cheater blue, he can miss every shot, lose every game.


Glad to see Kenny Smith unable to celebrate.

What a beautiful thing to not only see Kenny not celebrate but to see Chuck lose it right in his face. I bet I've watched that Barkley video 10 times already. Awesome.


Marcus Paige is an EXTREMELY nice kid. Would love to have him in a Duke jersey.

Brice Johnson is equally respectable.


Paige, chose to go to UNCheat. That says a lot about him and none of it's good. Brice "hang on the rim and scream 8 times a game" Johnson, it not respectable. Kid had a good year...let everyone know it 10 times a game (oh and he underachieved for a few years too). Buh-bye


Guys I know a lot of Hole fans in NC and I sort of feel bad for them. I think this is definitely one of those that we say "no team lost tonight" - for what it's worth.

I live in NC. I know lots of cheater fans too. In fact, when UNCheat beat us in CIS a few weeks ago quite a few of them found me in person, on Facebook, text, etc. (I politely congratulated them on their big win). I don't feel bad for them at all and I think this is definitely one of those that we say "UNC lost tonight" and we celebrate that. I'm not searching them out and rubbing it in one on one they way they did to me and I won't hear from ANY of them today but I'm just happy. 9F


http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article69975172.html

This is awesome footage. Something worth watching over and over again. I just watched it 2 more times just now. Beautiful.

My favorite picture I've seen so far shows UNCheat students holding up two signs: "Where's D**k" and "Duke Couldn't make the TRIP" (with a picture of Grayson). Then the bottom half shows Grayson in National Championship gear and caption that read something like "I'm in Durham, stop by an your way back and I'll show you my ring". Classic.

[Jeffrey]

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

I hope that symbolically means the NOA and the COI...

The hysterical coach in the March arcade
Screaming he moans, “I’ve just been made”
Then sends out for the doctor who pulls down the shade
Says, “My advice is to not let the boys in”

[Kedsy]

The big divider for me was that this was a national title game. One of those teams was walking out as a national champion. Very few title games have ended so dramatically.

Just 8 years ago, in 2008, Kansas came back from 9 down with two minutes left against Memphis and tied the game on a Mario Chalmers 3-pointer with 2 seconds left, finally winning the game in OT.

Not to take anything away from last night's amazing finish, with the dueling three-pointers to end the game, but that 2008 game was just as dramatic, imo. There have been lots of other incredible championship games as well. Though I'm not sure UNC lost any of them, so maybe this one is better.

[Dukehky]

Just 8 years ago, in 2008, Kansas came back from 9 down with two minutes left against Memphis and tied the game on a Mario Chalmers 3-pointer with 2 seconds left, finally winning the game in OT.

Not to take anything away from last night's amazing finish, with the dueling three-pointers to end the game, but that 2008 game was just as dramatic, imo. There have been lots of other incredible championship games as well. Though I'm not sure UNC lost any of them, so maybe this one is better.

Those Memphis and Kansas teams also had a chance to beat national champions from other years.

This UNC Team wasn't beating anybody. (2014/2011 UConn excluded)

2015 Duke beats this Carolina team. Oh wait, we did that twice.

[throatybeard]

Is it bad that I'm more happy this morning than the morning after Duke won the Championship last year?

It's more relief with me. I don't think I've felt relief this intense at another team losing since the 2007 Patriots in the Super Bowl.

[throatybeard]

2015 Duke beats this Carolina team. Oh wait, we did that twice.

Hell, even the 2016 squad managed it once.

[devildeac]

I'm really happy today (as I wear my 2015 National Championship shirt). I feel as though a weight has been lifted. What a beautiful thing it was to see the cheaters lose that game that way.



I hope Paige misses every shot he ever takes. He chose to go to UNCheat. Might have been an nice kid once upon a time but once he chose to go cheater blue, he can miss every shot, lose every game.



What a beautiful thing to not only see Kenny not celebrate but to see Chuck lose it right in his face. I bet I've watched that Barkley video 10 times already. Awesome.



Paige, chose to go to UNCheat. That says a lot about him and none of it's good. Brice "hang on the rim and scream 8 times a game" Johnson, it not respectable. Kid had a good year...let everyone know it 10 times a game (oh and he underachieved for a few years too). Buh-bye



I live in NC. I know lots of cheater fans too. In fact, when UNCheat beat us in CIS a few weeks ago quite a few of them found me in person, on Facebook, text, etc. (I politely congratulated them on their big win). I don't feel bad for them at all and I think this is definitely one of those that we say "UNC lost tonight" and we celebrate that. I'm not searching them out and rubbing it in one on one they way they did to me and I won't hear from ANY of them today but I'm just happy. 9F



This is awesome footage. Something worth watching over and over again. I just watched it 2 more times just now. Beautiful.

My favorite picture I've seen so far shows UNCheat students holding up two signs: "Where's D**k" and "Duke Couldn't make the TRIP" (with a picture of Grayson). Then the bottom half shows Grayson in National Championship gear and caption that read something like "I'm in Durham, stop by an your way back and I'll show you my ring". Classic.

"You must spread some Comments around before commenting on elvis14 again."

This is a truckload of schadenfreude and I enjoyed it immensely. ;)

[Jeffrey]

What a beautiful thing to not only see Kenny not celebrate but to see Chuck lose it right in his face. I bet I've watched that Barkley video 10 times already. Awesome.

That was not a Kenny thing. Chuck beat the spread.

[83and86]

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article69975172.html

I've probably watched this one 10 times already today. It never gets old.

Everybody there is so devastated. The dark haired girl in the foreground may be traumatized for life. But if you look closely for the first 20 seconds, there is a short girl with dark hair in the center of the picture who is laughing her butt off (behind the dark haired girl in the foreground). I'm thinking she is either totally clueless or a Duke fan that went to watch with her Tar Heel friends. Either way, she couldn't be happier.

[captmojo]

I've probably watched this one 10 times already today. It never gets old.

Everybody there is so devastated. The dark haired girl in the foreground may be traumatized for life. But if you look closely for the first 20 seconds, there is a short girl with dark hair in the center of the picture who is laughing her butt off (behind the dark haired girl in the foreground). I'm thinking she is either totally clueless or a Duke fan that went to watch with her Tar Heel friends. Either way, she couldn't be happier.

I would never be so quick to give credit. She's just probably as clueless as the usual type of hole.

[moonpie23]

stole our natty..."

[devildeac]

stole our natty..."

Tweet!

The "Duke gets all the calls" rule applies here. Swap the 'Nova player for a Duke player and the "eyes/head/face are part of the ball" rule applies and this is clearly a no call..

[75Crazie]

with about 3 minutes left I flipped over to the UNC broadcast :cool::cool:... I actually think Wes Durham is a great call guy.
I kinda like the way Wes Durham calls games, on the whole, except for one thing I guess he cannot help: He sounds exactly like Woody.

[hudlow]

stole our natty..."

Do you happen to know if that attempt at mutilation was called?

If it wasn't I can sure have some fun with that photo on my FB page....

[stillcrazie]

Cheater fans are horrible winners - much better losers. When they won in 05 and 09, we had to endure a year of woofing, chest pounding and tired, old Duke bashing, e.g. Coach K has a rat face, Duke gets all the calls, etc. When they lose, we only hear the whining along with the never-ending, irrational Duke bashing. Much, much easier to deal with.

GTHC!!!

[Tom B.]

TBS showed Kenny Smith's jubilation after Marcus Paige tied it up

Linking to a NBA on TNT tweet that tells the rest of the story - video of a jubilant Charles Barkley after Kris Jenkins makes the shot as a despondent Kenny the Jet turns away

Thrill of victory... Agony of defeat :)

https://twitter.com/NBAonTNT/status/717229145051291648/video/1


That's probably the highest that Barkley has jumped in a decade or so.

[jimsumner]

If we're discussing the best post-season game of all tine, the 1974 NC State-Maryland game in the ACC Tournament has to be on the short list.

Technically, not an NCAA Tournament game. But ii was an elimination game involving two of the nation's three best teams. So, a de facto NCAA game.

And, yes, I do feel sorry for Marcus Paige. A class act all the way.

And showing my you-kids-get-off-my-lawn credentials, it boggles my mind that the 1963 title game is so little remembered. Cincinnati, trying for its third straight title, has a double-digit lead in the second half. Loyola claws back, ties it at the buzzer and wins in OT at the buzzer.

Two buzzer-beaters.

As an aside, seven of the 10 starters in that 1963 game were African American, which is a milestone in the game's history, little remarked on.

Back to your regular programming.

[MChambers]

From today's Boswell chat at the Washington Post:


A huge percentage of people played some sport for some coach at some time and we all know that as a player you "read the coach." You see his/her face. You take a message from it, in addition to whatever words are said. It's universal. And your face in crisis is part of your skill set as a coach. And Roy gets a "D" in Face In A Crisis. It matters. He fumed at the Final Four about know-nothing critics who dare to second guess him. He came right out and said: I know more than all of 'em.


He's probably right. But we can see his face. Maybe Roy's brain can coach, but, far too often, his face can't. And that counts as part of the package, too.

https://live.washingtonpost.com/ask-boswell-20160404.html?hpid=hp_local-news_livechat-boz-11am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

[wilson]

Christian Laettner is passing the torch today via Twitter...
6240
https://twitter.com/laettnerbball/status/717240907393851392/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[TNDukeFan]

From today's Boswell chat at the Washington Post:


A huge percentage of people played some sport for some coach at some time and we all know that as a player you "read the coach." You see his/her face. You take a message from it, in addition to whatever words are said. It's universal. And your face in crisis is part of your skill set as a coach. And Roy gets a "D" in Face In A Crisis. It matters. He fumed at the Final Four about know-nothing critics who dare to second guess him. He came right out and said: I know more than all of 'em.


He's probably right. But we can see his face. Maybe Roy's brain can coach, but, far too often, his face can't. And that counts as part of the package, too.

https://live.washingtonpost.com/ask-boswell-20160404.html?hpid=hp_local-news_livechat-boz-11am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Boswell, also from that chat:
"But I take the "fake classes" charges very seriously. We'll see how it works out. But as Charles Barkley said if a college coach can't take responsibility for all aspects of the campus life of 15-or-less players, including the quality of their academics, then is he really doing his WHOLE job?"

[cspan37421]

Adding to the misery...

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/someone-sucker-punched-the-unc-mascot-moments-after-the-tar-heels-lost

Below that there's a pic of Emmert cozying up with Jordan.
NCAA is one giant conflict of interest.

[eddiehaskell]

Just 8 years ago, in 2008, Kansas came back from 9 down with two minutes left against Memphis and tied the game on a Mario Chalmers 3-pointer with 2 seconds left, finally winning the game in OT.
Maybe it's just me but tying a game and pulling away in OT just isn't the same as what transpired in ~5 seconds last night. Heck, as a Duke fan, Kansas and Memphis just aren't as important as seeing the Heels crushed in dramatic fashion. And to top it off - MJ is in attendance, Hubert Davis is crying and UNC fans go from cocky to suicidal in front of our eyes. Yeah, Kansas/Memphis isn't comparable.

[Kedsy]

Maybe it's just me but tying a game and pulling away in OT just isn't the same as what transpired in ~5 seconds last night. Heck, as a Duke fan, Kansas and Memphis just aren't as important as seeing the Heels crushed in dramatic fashion. And to top it off - MJ is in attendance, Hubert Davis is crying and UNC fans go from cocky to suicidal in front of our eyes. Yeah, Kansas/Memphis isn't comparable.

Sorry, I thought we were talking objectively about the best finish.

Also, down three and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer is a much more difficult and dramatic endeavor, exceeded only by down 2 and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer (a la Austin Rivers). Tied up and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer is amazing, but there's much less pressure on the shot. Objectively, I mean, taking the Tar Heel factor out of it. Except for the Austin Rivers game I referred to parenthetically, that had the Tar Heel factor as well, even if it did lack the NCAA championship game angle. But it was Duke beating UNC on that shot, so using your subjective test, wasn't that better?

Or, if we're being Duke-fan-subjective, wasn't 2010 better? It featured a Cinderella underdog launching an improbable would-be-game-winning halfcourt shot that missed by maybe an inch? And Duke won the natty. Just that last bit makes it better than this year.

[El_Diablo]

As an aside, seven of the 10 starters in that 1963 game were African American, which is a milestone in the game's history, little remarked on.

Wait, I heard that Dean Smith invented black basketball players. :confused:

[sagegrouse]

If we're discussing the best post-season game of all tine, the 1974 NC State-Maryland game in the ACC Tournament has to be on the short list.

Technically, not an NCAA Tournament game. But ii was an elimination game involving two of the nation's three best teams. So, a de facto NCAA game.

And, yes, I do feel sorry for Marcus Paige. A class act all the way.

And showing my you-kids-get-off-my-lawn credentials, it boggles my mind that the 1963 title game is so little remembered. Cincinnati, trying for its third straight title, has a double-digit lead in the second half. Loyola claws back, ties it at the buzzer and wins in OT at the buzzer.

Two buzzer-beaters.

As an aside, seven of the 10 starters in that 1963 game were African American, which is a milestone in the game's history, little remarked on.

Back to your regular programming.

Jim, I posted this a few years ago apropos to your discussion of the State-Maryland game. Here's the first half of the post:


I don’t live next door to Verne but I do see him often in our small town of Steamboat Springs. A few weeks ago [actually, way back in 2011], I spoke with Verne Lundquist about “The Shot,” which he called for CBS. Until I saw a recent You Tube clip, I hadn’t even realized that he was the game announcer. I was with another neighbor, former Duke hurler Larry Harrison. “What did you think,” I asked Verne, “when it happened?”

“Well,” he said, “there was total silence [at the mike] for a few minutes and the camera just panned the court and all the celebrations going on. Then Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe came over and asked Len Elmore [Verne’s partner that day – who knew?], ‘Until today I thought the ACC final you played against North Carolina State in 1974 was the best college basketball game I had ever seen. Which game do you think was better?’ Len hesitated for a long minute and finally said, ‘I think this game may have been better.’”

[AvlDukie]

My favorite picture I've seen so far shows UNCheat students holding up two signs: "Where's D**k" and "Duke Couldn't make the TRIP" (with a picture of Grayson). Then the bottom half shows Grayson in National Championship gear and caption that read something like "I'm in Durham, stop by an your way back and I'll show you my ring". Classic.

Anyone have a link to this pic?
I have many Tar Heel friends I would like to show it to.

[BandAlum83]

I dunno -- I didn't think this season's games are at risk of being vacated too.

Why would you think that? They aren't being investigated for current practices, are they?

[BluDvlsN1]

Well, what goes around comes around..



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[J.Blink]

This might be a new low. Today at work, a diehard Tar Heel--a nice, quiet and reserved guy--who for the most part has been good-natured about things (though he did get in a few jabs over the last two weeks) was literally weeping because of the reffing last night. He seems to honestly believe the refs were both paid off and part of an NCAA conspiracy (why does it have to be both?? I don't know!).

The whole fanbase is freaking delusional...

[BandAlum83]

He was very cool, in stark contrast to his behavior in the final 3 minutes when he was increasingly losing his mind. Raf said, "I have never seen Jay Wright yell at Arch like that..." and I thought to myself - this dude is losing it when he needs to be a calming influence. It ultimately didn't matter, but I think Wright was simply exhausted and relieved. The next time he wins one, he can be euphoric.

He actually didn't know if the game was over yet. He was concerned that upon review, the heels would have .x remaining on the clock.

[BandAlum83]

Is it bad that I'm more happy this morning than the morning after Duke won the Championship last year?

Yes, it is bad. No other way to answer that.

And not bad in a good way. Much better to celebrate success, than to gloat over failure. Better for the soul and better for humanity.

So.....celebrated Nova, but not as much as you would for Duke! ;)

[J.Blink]

It's quite hilarious that the two top threads on IC right now are:

"I don't see how anyone can watch tonight and not be infuritated."
"Foul descrepancy and refs?"

Sigh.

[FerryFor50]

This might be a new low. Today at work, a diehard Tar Heel--a nice, quiet and reserved guy--who for the most part has been good-natured about things (though he did get in a few jabs over the last two weeks) was literally weeping because of the reffing last night. He seems to honestly believe the refs were both paid off and part of an NCAA conspiracy (why does it have to be both?? I don't know!).

The whole fanbase is freaking delusional...

I'd be concerned that guy was the "quiet, unassuming one" that ends up shooting up the place.

[hurleyfor3]

"I don't see how anyone can watch tonight and not be infuritated."

Infuriated + agitated (or some other -tated word)? I'll pretend that was intentional; it's a great portmanteau.

[devildeac]

It's quite hilarious that the two top threads on IC right now are:

"I don't see how anyone can watch tonight and not be infuritated."
"Foul descrepancy and refs?"

Sigh.

Spell check must be a grad level course...

[devildeac]

Infuriated + agitated (or some other -tated word)? I'll pretend that was intentional; it's a great portmanteau.

It's IC remember. You're giving them waaaaay too much credit. Unless, of course, posting there is for class credit...

[Tom B.]

A couple more good links:

Here's a compilation of different feeds for the final play, which includes the Villanova homer crews, the Carolina homer crews, and the Spanish and Russian language broadcasts: http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/heres-every-angle-and-every-call-of-villanovas-ncaa-tou-1769055349

And here's the reaction of a local Philly 11:00 news crew that was on the air live when Jenkins hit the shot: https://www.facebook.com/cbsphilly/videos/10154697980324018/

[eddiehaskell]

Sorry, I thought we were talking objectively about the best finish.

Also, down three and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer is a much more difficult and dramatic endeavor, exceeded only by down 2 and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer (a la Austin Rivers). Tied up and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer is amazing, but there's much less pressure on the shot. Objectively, I mean, taking the Tar Heel factor out of it. Except for the Austin Rivers game I referred to parenthetically, that had the Tar Heel factor as well, even if it did lack the NCAA championship game angle. But it was Duke beating UNC on that shot, so using your subjective test, wasn't that better?

Or, if we're being Duke-fan-subjective, wasn't 2010 better? It featured a Cinderella underdog launching an improbable would-be-game-winning halfcourt shot that missed by maybe an inch? And Duke won the natty. Just that last bit makes it better than this year.You could also make an objective argument for it being better. I think UNC's misdeeds off the court make them disliked by more than only Duke fans. There's also something to be said about jubilation and despair both being crammed into 5 seconds on the biggest stage. I'm sure 99.9999% of the population was certain UNC did enough to fight in OT and probably win it.

Paige's career, legacy, story for the grandkids, etc were all on the line in the NATIONAL championship. Every kid that has ever picked up a basketball has dreamed of making the shot he made...and the one Villanova made right after Paige. TWO of the tourney's best shots back-to-back in a matter of 5 seconds.

I think the amount of pressure between Austin's shot and those made last night is debatable. Paige's shot was certainly as intense - if he misses everything UNC worked for in down the drain (and at that angle I'm sure "Oh SH**" entered his mind). There will always be more UNC vs Duke games and those games don't define a season as successful or not.

As much as I love Duke/UNC games, subjectively, I'll take the dramatic sequence of events that results in UNC having a natty snatched away. That season ended up being a dud for Duke whereas UNC almost had the biggest prize. Nattys don't just grown on trees.

[BD80]

... Nattys don't just grown on trees.

But sometimes they are the product of paper classes ...

[NashvilleDevil]

You could also make an objective argument for it being better. I think UNC's misdeeds off the court make them disliked by more than only Duke fans. There's also something to be said about jubilation and despair both being crammed into 5 seconds on the biggest stage. I'm sure 99.9999% of the population was certain UNC did enough to fight in OT and probably win it.

Paige's career, legacy, story for the grandkids, etc were all on the line in the NATIONAL championship. Every kid that has ever picked up a basketball has dreamed of making the shot he made...and the one Villanova made right after Paige. TWO of the tourney's best shots back-to-back in a matter of 5 seconds.

I think the amount of pressure between Austin's shot and those made last night is debatable. Paige's shot was certainly as intense - if he misses everything UNC worked for in down the drain. There will always be more UNC vs Duke games and those games don't define a season as successful or not.

As much as I love Duke/UNC games, subjectively, I'll take the dramatic sequence of events that results in UNC having a natty snatched away. That season ended up being a dud for Duke whereas UNC almost had the biggest prize. Nattys don't just grown on trees.

I beg to differ on this point.

[Tom B.]

Now we know why Ochefu grabbed the mop:


Before that last push for a basket, Ochefu grabbed the floor mop from the boy who had been using it and vigorously -- and, at the time, inexplicably -- began to wipe the sweat off the floor, at about midcourt. He knew that he had to set a pick there for Arcidiacono, and that Arcidiacono was supposed to head to the basket from there. Ochefu wanted that area to be very dry, so Arcidiacono wouldn’t slip. After all, he was expecting Arcidiacono to take that final shot. In fact, he had kind of demanded him to take it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/sports/ncaabasketball/kris-jenkins-ryan-arcidiacono-villanova.html

[eddiehaskell]

I beg to differ on this point.National championship or beating UNC twice?

I'll take the natty, please. And I'll totally rub it in UNC's face. Point is, there's still bigger prizes to play for after a UNC/Duke regular season game. Heck hasn't UNC beat us in most of our title runs and vice versa...glad our guys didn't pack it in after those L's.

[83and86]

I don't live in NC, so I don't have to deal with a massive obnoxious fanbase on a daily basis. However, I have been working for 25 years up here in the northeast with my partner who never had any interest whatsoever in college basketball. This year, his daughter became a freshman at UNCheat. All of a sudden, he's the world's biggest college basketball fan, constantly in my office about how good UNCheat is. He hasn't come by today, however. He is just working (or maybe weeping) quietly in his office. For the sake of good work relations, I haven't rubbed it in, but it sure is tempting. And I am sure he has heard the loop that I set up of the final 4 1/2 seconds of the game, if not the first, second or third time, then maybe the 10th, 11th or 12th time (the roar of the crowd can be loud). Oh, the anguish!

[Jeffrey]

I posted this a few years ago apropos to your discussion of the State-Maryland game. Here's the first half of the post.....

That's very interesting, thanks for posting it!

For me, it will probably always be the State-Maryland game. IMO, David Thompson was the best to ever play in the ACC and he reinvented the college game. The NCAA also reinvented their tournament due to this game.

[elvis14]

Went to lunch today at Randy's on Miami Blvd in RTP. Pretty busy place and today was no exception. As I sat there and ate my pizza in my Duke National Championship shirt from last year (as opposed to the one from 2010), I looked around and realized that I didn't see any UNCheat shirts or hats. Nothing. Not one shirt not one hat. What a beautiful day this is.

[aimo]

I don't live in NC, so I don't have to deal with a massive obnoxious fanbase on a daily basis. However, I have been working for 25 years up here in the northeast with my partner who never had any interest whatsoever in college basketball. This year, his daughter became a freshman at UNCheat. All of a sudden, he's the world's biggest college basketball fan, constantly in my office about how good UNCheat is. He hasn't come by today, however. He is just working (or maybe weeping) quietly in his office. For the sake of good work relations, I haven't rubbed it in, but it sure is tempting. And I am sure he has heard the loop that I set up of the final 4 1/2 seconds of the game, if not the first, second or third time, then maybe the 10th, 11th or 12th time (the roar of the crowd can be loud). Oh, the anguish!

He sounds like a true hole. And don't say anything to him. He is waiting for you to do so, and it is KILLING him.

[aimo]

Went to lunch today at Randy's on Miami Blvd in RTP. Pretty busy place and today was no exception. As I sat there and ate my pizza in my Duke National Championship shirt from last year (as opposed to the one from 2010), I looked around and realized that I didn't see any UNCheat shirts or hats. Nothing. Not one shirt not one hat. What a beautiful day this is.

I work at the VA, and I have seen them all over the place today. So they have something to wipe their tears upon . . .

[cato]

Sorry, I thought we were talking objectively about the best finish.

Also, down three and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer is a much more difficult and dramatic endeavor, exceeded only by down 2 and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer (a la Austin Rivers). Tied up and hitting a three-pointer at the buzzer is amazing, but there's much less pressure on the shot. Objectively, I mean, taking the Tar Heel factor out of it. Except for the Austin Rivers game I referred to parenthetically, that had the Tar Heel factor as well, even if it did lack the NCAA championship game angle. But it was Duke beating UNC on that shot, so using your subjective test, wasn't that better?

Or, if we're being Duke-fan-subjective, wasn't 2010 better? It featured a Cinderella underdog launching an improbable would-be-game-winning halfcourt shot that missed by maybe an inch? And Duke won the natty. Just that last bit makes it better than this year.

You cannot get more dramatic than a game winning shot that goes through the net with 0.00 on the clock. Sure, it's more dramatic if the winning team was down before the shot was launched, instead of tied, but for drama, the finality of the game winning shot is paramount.

[OldPhiKap]

But sometimes they are the product of paper classes ...

Or bakeries.

[El_Diablo]

A nice shot of Ellington, Barnes, Watts, Frasor and Marshall:

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[dukebluesincebirth]

I went home to Durham for Christmas and made a stop by the Duck Shop, picked up a couple of Duke 2015 National Champion decals for the cars. I have other Duke stickers on the cars, so I haven't made it a point to stick the new ones on yet...I think I'll do that today:)...just as a friendly reminder.

[J.Blink]

Went to lunch today at Randy's on Miami Blvd in RTP. Pretty busy place and today was no exception. As I sat there and ate my pizza in my Duke National Championship shirt from last year (as opposed to the one from 2010), I looked around and realized that I didn't see any UNCheat shirts or hats. Nothing. Not one shirt not one hat. What a beautiful day this is.

Order Has Been Restored!

[Kedsy]

You cannot get more dramatic than a game winning shot that goes through the net with 0.00 on the clock. Sure, it's more dramatic if the winning team was down before the shot was launched, instead of tied, but for drama, the finality of the game winning shot is paramount.

I don't know. A game-tying shot that goes in at the buzzer seems about the same to me. But maybe not. I happened to attend the Kansas/Memphis final in 2008 (as well as the Duke/Kentucky quarterfinal in 1992), and I only watched this one on TV, so maybe that's affecting my judgment.

Also, I'm not at all suggesting last night's game wasn't incredible/amazing/dramatic/whatever-adjective-you-choose. I live in Philadelphia (about 15 minute drive from Villanova) and hate UNC so I was doubly invested in the game and I let out a fairly large shout at both teams' last shots. I'm just saying it's not automatically the best game or greatest shot of all time.

[elvis14]

Order Has Been Restored!

Yes! I'll wear my "Order Has Been Restored" shirt tomorrow! :)

[NashvilleDevil]

National championship or beating UNC twice?

I'll take the natty, please. And I'll totally rub it in UNC's face. Point is, there's still bigger prizes to play for after a UNC/Duke regular season game. Heck hasn't UNC beat us in most of our title runs and vice versa...glad our guys didn't pack it in after those L's.

In Duke's 5 championship season they are 10-3 against the Heels.

[eddiehaskell]

A nice shot of Ellington, Barnes, Watts, Frasor and Marshall:

6245Another thing that made this sweet for Duke fans. I think they said 50-something former Tarheels there and Roy was letting them pump up the guys whereas Nova didn't talk to outsiders. All those Tarheels with collectively a bunch of wins over Duke, but on this night they had their hearts broken. And they know they're still tied with Duke at 5 while possibly have 3-4 down years to look forward to. They also know that Duke is bringing in studs. :)

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Now we know why Ochefu grabbed the mop:



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/sports/ncaabasketball/kris-jenkins-ryan-arcidiacono-villanova.html

Well, that's awesome. I remember thinking it was quite odd.

[BD80]

... Duke is bringing in studs. ...

With which to build a championship.

[FerryFor50]

I work at the VA, and I have seen them all over the place today. So they have something to wipe their tears upon . . .

I generally think they belong next to toilets for wiping.

[eddiehaskell]

In Duke's 5 championship season they are 10-3 against the Heels.So they beat us in '91, '92, and '01 - arguably our best teams ever.

[BigZ]

Just watched the replay several times and Marcus Paige def double dribbled on his 3 pointer to tie the game.

[FerryFor50]

Just watched the replay several times and Marcus Paige def double dribbled on his 3 pointer to tie the game.

But I thought only Villanova got the benefit of the calls? :o

[Kedsy]

Just watched the replay several times and Marcus Paige def double dribbled on his 3 pointer to tie the game.

After reading this I re-watched the replay several times as well, but I didn't see a double dribble. He had the ball in both hands but it was before dribbling, then he dropped it and dribbled twice with one hand before he shot. That's what I saw, anyway.

[El_Diablo]

After reading this I re-watched the replay several times as well, but I didn't see a double dribble. He had the ball in both hands but it was before dribbling, then he dropped it and dribbled twice with one hand before he shot. That's what I saw, anyway.

Agreed. He ripped the ball through with both hands, started the first dribble with both hands (which is fine), and then took the second dribble with one hand. No double dribble.

On the wide shot it is hard to tell, but the slow mo replay starting at 36 seconds shows it pretty clearly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR8Io8Dz6nM

[royalblue]

Best Triangle NCAA tourney basketball moments all time no order but top 3
83 State Championship finish
92 Duke UK the shot
16 Supernova
Would Yesterday be a good song for the heel fans to play today?
The Fred Brown pass has bothered me as much as anything over the years and while not forgotten last night it shifted a little deeper into the past.

[BigZ]

I feel real bad for those poor kids in Africa today.

[royalblue]

I feel real bad for those poor kids in Africa today.

Post of the Day

[-jk]

He actually didn't know if the game was over yet. He was concerned that upon review, the heels would have .x remaining on the clock.

And what would they have done if the refs decided either time had expired before release or there was still time remaining after going through... All that confetti to clean up!

-jk

[diablesseblu]

I feel real bad for those poor kids in Africa today.


Was thinking about that today. Hibbett's (a mainly southern sporting goods store) was advertising all day yesterday on local radio that they would have "champions apparel" in the their stores today.