NCCAT: East Region Discussion Thread (Cheaters/Hoosiers, ND/Bucky)

[JBDuke]

This is the collector thread for the East Regional contests for the first two weekends of the NCAA Men's Tournament. It's also for picking who you think will win the region.

[Henderson]

I think this region is soft-ish at the #1 and #2 (sorry X), but strong in the teams that immediately follow. I think 3 (WVU,) or 4 (KY) takes it.

[gurufrisbee]

I can't see UNC not winning this, but I can't make myself vote for them either. KEntucky is too young and inconsistent. West Virginia is a battle to play against but terrible offensively. Xavier is the most over seeded team in the tournament.

[cbarry]

I can't see UNC not winning this, but I can't make myself vote for them either. KEntucky is too young and inconsistent. West Virginia is a battle to play against but terrible offensively. Xavier is the most over seeded team in the tournament.
Agree. This regional is a cakewalk for UNC. Dang. Hopefully someone will knock them out in the final 4!

[Saratoga2]

Interesting to see multiple ACC teams in this bracket. Kentucky should meet UNC in the 2nd week and West Va ti reach the final 4. This is a very strong bracket and several strong teams will beat each other up in this region. UNC is now playing good defense and while their outside shooting is suspect, they have experience, size, athleticism and depth so I reluctantly put them into the final 4.

[jipops]

This is a great draw matchup wise for the cheats. Roy would say that is horse manure... but it is. Xavier is by far the weakest #2. The cheats just have too much for a wildly inconsistent UK team coming from a weak conference. WVU likes to press you and keep the pace quick. That plays right into the cheats hands, would probably blow them out.

The cheats are an easy pick here. No #1 seed has an easier path.

[devildeac]

It's a damned shame the organizers couldn't put the COI in the cheaters region :rolleyes: .

[CDu]

This is a great draw matchup wise for the cheats. Roy would say that is horse manure... but it is. Xavier is by far the weakest #2. The cheats just have too much for a wildly inconsistent UK team coming from a weak conference. WVU likes to press you and keep the pace quick. That plays right into the cheats hands, would probably blow them out.

The cheats are an easy pick here. No #1 seed has an easier path.

Here's hoping UK brings their A game for UNC... and then falls asleep in the Elite-8. The Wildcats will have the two best players on the court. If they are dialed in, they can beat the Heels.

[OldPhiKap]

Having to root for Kentucky, even gains the Heels, is its own level of Hell.

But I gotta do what I gotta do.

[moonpie23]

can we change the title of the thread to "EAST REGION-UNC's CAKEWALK TO THE FINAL FOUR"

[Kedsy]

can we change the title of the thread to "EAST REGION-UNC's CAKEWALK TO THE FINAL FOUR"

My bracket will have Kentucky and West Virginia playing to see who goes to Houston. So I'd vote no on the cakewalk title.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

It's a damned shame the organizers couldn't put the COI in the cheaters region :rolleyes: .
Gotta give credit to some delusional IC'ers for some funny stuff. One thread titled "NCAA announces UNC's bracket as AFAM punishment."

[jipops]

Gotta give credit to some delusional IC'ers for some funny stuff. One thread titled "NCAA announces UNC's bracket as AFAM punishment."

Well after seeing their coach throw so many 3rd person pity parties, this is to be expected.

[eddiehaskell]

Have we already forgotten Kentucky's '11 and '14 seasons? The '14 team finished the season 5-5 and lost 10 games overall yet played for a natty.

I hate to say it but Calipari seems to get these young teams playing well in the tourney. Since Feb 6th this Kentucky team is 10-2 with one of those losses being by 2 pts in OT to A&M. UNC is 9-3 since Feb 6th.

Don't forget that they also beat Duke and Louisville early in the season...a couple teams that beat UNC late in the season. I don't see UNC easily winning this one, and I won't be shocked if either team gets blown out. I say it's a toss up.

[luburch]

Toughest region by far, IMO. That 4 vs. 5 game could be insane.

[dukelifer]

This is a great draw matchup wise for the cheats. Roy would say that is horse manure... but it is. Xavier is by far the weakest #2. The cheats just have too much for a wildly inconsistent UK team coming from a weak conference. WVU likes to press you and keep the pace quick. That plays right into the cheats hands, would probably blow them out.

The cheats are an easy pick here. No #1 seed has an easier path.

I would be shocked if UNC does not make it. The sweet 16 game could be the most pressure packed if against KY, however. UNC has handled KY well in the past- but KY is very dangerous. They have athletes and talent to match UNC at every position. Most teams do not. That said KY has to get there and their inconsistency will come into play.

[BeachBlueDevil]

Of course me saying that Providence is a Cinderella will probably end up blowing up in my face and they will use to USC, however I'm going to run with this while I can.

Providence is a super talented team with Bentil up front, but he has to stay out of foul trouble and if they play UNC, he'll give Brice Johnson a fit. Kris Dunn is one of the best guards in the country and does a little bit of everything, he kind of reminds me of John Wall and I expect him to takeover close games in the tournament and score in bunches if needed. All of that being said, IF they get to UNC it will be a damn good game and a TOUGH game for UNC. Only thing that worries me in the depth Providence has.

[sammy3469]

I would be shocked if UNC does not make it. The sweet 16 game could be the most pressure packed if against KY, however. UNC has handled KY well in the past- but KY is very dangerous. They have athletes and talent to match UNC at every position. Most teams do not. That said KY has to get there and their inconsistency will come into play.

Yeah, KY is one of the few teams UNC didn't want to see. Ulis and Murray are better than Paige/Berry and while KY has tended to go small with Willis as the 5th player (stretch 4), they certainly have the pieces to stay purely big as well. Granted KY hasn't play well away from home, but even a game in Philly is going to be 50% KY fans.

[Henderson]

Kentucky is holding a "craft sale" to help its fans make it to the tourney. I saw the catalog the university put out. It's mostly made up of mounted fish on decoupage American flag backgrounds. Some John Wayne black velvet things. Then I came across this needlepoint wall hanging:

She can lead you to love
She can take you or leave you
She can ask for the truth
But she'll never believe
And she'll take what you give her as long as it's free
Yeah, she steals like a thief
But she's always a sister to me

That's a $200 item, but you get a tupperware of catfish stink bait with it.

[FerryFor50]

Here's hoping UK brings their A game for UNC... and then falls asleep in the Elite-8. The Wildcats will have the two best players on the court. If they are dialed in, they can beat the Heels.

UK has been playing very as well as UNC has the past few weeks.

I think UK takes the game should they meet up. They match size well and have as much depth as UNC.

[TexHawk]

I can't see UNC not winning this, but I can't make myself vote for them either. KEntucky is too young and inconsistent. West Virginia is a battle to play against but terrible offensively. Xavier is the most over seeded team in the tournament.

WVU is #23 in KP AdjO, far from fantastic, but not awful either. They get a lot of points in transition off of their press. They play 10 guys pretty consistently, so foul trouble or a couple cold shooters don't really affect them. UNC is probably not their preferred opponent with Paige/Berry probably able to break the press better than most, but they are tough as nails. Roy's teams have never loved playing physical opponents.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

If UNC makes it to the Final Four, they will have earned it. Lots of tough teams in this bracket. If someone else doesn't test them, WVU ought to have the size and toughness to give them fits.

[whereinthehellami]

WVU is #23 in KP AdjO, far from fantastic, but not awful either. They get a lot of points in transition off of their press. They play 10 guys pretty consistently, so foul trouble or a couple cold shooters don't really affect them. UNC is probably not their preferred opponent with Paige/Berry probably able to break the press better than most, but they are tough as nails. Roy's teams have never loved playing physical opponents.

Totally agree on questioning UNC's toughness.

The potential Indiana-KY game would be fun to watch.

[devildeac]

My favorite teams in this bracket are the #2-16 seeds ;) .

[PackMan97]

All it takes to beat UNC is a team with good interior defense. Anyone play that in this bracket?

[gurufrisbee]

WVU is #23 in KP AdjO, far from fantastic, but not awful either. They get a lot of points in transition off of their press. They play 10 guys pretty consistently, so foul trouble or a couple cold shooters don't really affect them. UNC is probably not their preferred opponent with Paige/Berry probably able to break the press better than most, but they are tough as nails. Roy's teams have never loved playing physical opponents.

WV is a great offensive rebounding team and gets a lot of points in transition off the press, but if you watch them in regular half court offense they are awful. Which is actually good for everyone else, because if they had a half court offense to go with their defense and rebounding no one would even come close to them.

[brevity]

Just going to put these articles right here...

Florida Gulf Coast Cruises; Can The Eagles Be First 16 Seed To Beat a 1? (http://www.hngn.com/articles/189298/20160316/florida-gulf-coast-cruises-to-win-can-they-be-first-16-seed-to-beat-a-one.htm)
Florida Gulf Coast is our greatest hope for a 16-seed to upset a 1-seed (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/florida-gulf-coast-16-seed-1-seed-north-carolina-ncaa-tournament)
Seth Davis' Misshapen Funhouse Mirror Head thinks No. 16 Florida Gulf Coast can upset No. 1 North Carolina (http://fansided.com/2016/03/15/seth-davis-thinks-florida-gulf-coast-upset-north-carolina-video/)

Kenpom ratings of 16 seeds:

165 Florida Gulf Coast
211 Austin Peay
220 Hampton
224 Southern
268 Holy Cross
273 Fairleigh Dickinson

P.S. Seriously, what is going on with Seth Davis' head?

[kmspeaks]

Just going to put these articles right here...

Florida Gulf Coast Cruises; Can The Eagles Be First 16 Seed To Beat a 1? (http://www.hngn.com/articles/189298/20160316/florida-gulf-coast-cruises-to-win-can-they-be-first-16-seed-to-beat-a-one.htm)
Florida Gulf Coast is our greatest hope for a 16-seed to upset a 1-seed (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/florida-gulf-coast-16-seed-1-seed-north-carolina-ncaa-tournament)
Seth Davis' Misshapen Funhouse Mirror Head thinks No. 16 Florida Gulf Coast can upset No. 1 North Carolina (http://fansided.com/2016/03/15/seth-davis-thinks-florida-gulf-coast-upset-north-carolina-video/)

Kenpom ratings of 16 seeds:

165 Florida Gulf Coast
211 Austin Peay
220 Hampton
224 Southern
268 Holy Cross
273 Fairleigh Dickinson

P.S. Seriously, what is going on with Seth Davis' head?

I would gladly take a busted bracket if this were to happen.

[moonpie23]

if true, he's a prophet, if false, "they just ran out of steam".....

[dukelifer]

If only FGCU could have save their best game of the year for the second game they played. Peaked two days too early. They will lose by 20.

[brevity]

If only FGCU could have save their best game of the year for the second game they played. Peaked two days too early. They will lose by 20.

There are teams -- almost all of them -- that follow that rule. Then there is Florida Gulf Coast.

March 22, 2013: FGCU 78, Georgetown 68 (won by 10)
March 24, 2013: FGCU 81, San Diego State 71 (won by 10)

Peaked, then peaked again two days later. So...

March 15, 2016: FGCU 96, Fairleigh Dickinson 65 (won by 31)
March 17, 2016: FGCU 81, North Carolina 50 (will win by 31)

It's not 82-50, but it might be better.

[moonpie23]

i'll be pulling for FGC....

a loss to a 16, coupled with what's coming, could just about do it for those arrogant bastards...

[Tripping William]

There are teams -- almost all of them -- that follow that rule. Then there is Florida Gulf Coast.

March 22, 2013: FGCU 78, Georgetown 68 (won by 10)
March 24, 2013: FGCU 81, San Diego State 71 (won by 10)

Peaked, then peaked again two days later. So...

March 15, 2016: FGCU 96, Fairleigh Dickinson 65 (won by 31)
March 17, 2016: FGCU 81, North Carolina 50 (will win by 31)

It's not 82-50, but it might be better.

[cue Vitale voice] Dunk City, baby! [end Vitale voice]

[Kedsy]

March 17, 2016: FGCU 81, North Carolina 50 (will win by 31)

It's not 82-50, but it might be better.

Let's not be greedy. I'd take FGCU 81, North Carolina 80.

[royalblue]

There are teams -- almost all of them -- that follow that rule. Then there is Florida Gulf Coast.

March 22, 2013: FGCU 78, Georgetown 68 (won by 10)
March 24, 2013: FGCU 81, San Diego State 71 (won by 10)

Peaked, then peaked again two days later. So...

March 15, 2016: FGCU 96, Fairleigh Dickinson 65 (won by 31)
March 17, 2016: FGCU 81, North Carolina 50 (will win by 31)

It's not 82-50, but it might be better.

This would be so good it's hard for me to even think about this result. I will be retiring on the Florida Gulf Coast if it happens. Let's just dream big if "the shot" was ever going to be replaced and or equaled I can not even comprehend a game that I would like it to happen in more than this one.A half court game winning shot by
FlaGC would move it to the top as the greatest day ever. (At least until we have a banner removal party in the near future)Right now March 30th 1991 is at the top of the list with Dean's ejection in the 1991 FF and Duke beating UNLV.

[Doria]

This would be so good it's hard for me to even think about this result. I will be retiring on the Florida Gulf Coast if it happens. Let's just dream big if "the shot" was ever going to be replaced and or equaled I can not even comprehend a game that I would like it to happen in more than this one.A half court game winning shot by
FlaGC would move it to the top as the greatest day ever. (At least until we have a banner removal party in the near future)Right now March 30th 1991 is at the top of the list with Dean's ejection in the 1991 FF and Duke beating UNLV.

That was such an awesome day, but I agree that this would absolutely be competitive with it. I can't even get my hopes up...

The best I realistically hope for is that the Kentucky-Indiana winner wins that part of the bracket, tarnishing my weekend to a minor degree, to the extent that it might require me to temporarily pull for Kentucky (ugh, that's terrible to even contemplate). Still, I will gladly take a Kentucky win for the right to hopefully lose in the second weekend.

Honestly, I hate most of the teams in this region. I might have to pull for Notre Dame (!!!) for as long as they stay alive.

[elvis14]

Honestly, I hate most of the teams in this region. I might have to pull for Notre Dame (!!!) for as long as they stay alive.

Until the cheaters are eliminated, there are 15 teams in this region that I can get behind.

[Henderson]

Just going to put these articles right here...

Florida Gulf Coast Cruises; Can The Eagles Be First 16 Seed To Beat a 1? (http://www.hngn.com/articles/189298/20160316/florida-gulf-coast-cruises-to-win-can-they-be-first-16-seed-to-beat-a-one.htm)
Florida Gulf Coast is our greatest hope for a 16-seed to upset a 1-seed (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/florida-gulf-coast-16-seed-1-seed-north-carolina-ncaa-tournament)
Seth Davis' Misshapen Funhouse Mirror Head thinks No. 16 Florida Gulf Coast can upset No. 1 North Carolina (http://fansided.com/2016/03/15/seth-davis-thinks-florida-gulf-coast-upset-north-carolina-video/)

Kenpom ratings of 16 seeds:

165 Florida Gulf Coast
211 Austin Peay
220 Hampton
224 Southern
268 Holy Cross
273 Fairleigh Dickinson

P.S. Seriously, what is going on with Seth Davis' head?

If he had said UNC-CH would beat Florida Gulf Coast handily, would you have mentioned his name?

There you go.

[dukelifer]

Until the cheaters are eliminated, there are 15 teams in this region that I can get behind.

Surprising score at the half

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Um... anyone rooting against their brackets?

[duke4ever19]

Um... anyone rooting against their brackets?

I actually have them losing against Providence . . . but I'm happy to have one game wrong on the day.

[CatDevil]

um... Anyone rooting against their brackets?
me me me me

[Doria]

Um... anyone rooting against their brackets?

I am 100% rooting against my bracket for this region (but that isn't unexpected). I won my family pool last year, and I am also 100% okay not winning it this year, if this is the reason for it.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

I make my brackets, then try to ignore them for four days and root for upsets. Like a 1/16 upset.

Will check the brackets again Sunday night.

[Edouble]

I actually have them losing against Providence . . . but I'm happy to have one game wrong on the day.

Got that too. But, let's do it tonight FGCU!

[dukelifer]

Got that too. But, let's do it tonight FGCU!

Carolina overwhelming them now

[dukelifer]

There are teams -- almost all of them -- that follow that rule. Then there is Florida Gulf Coast.

March 22, 2013: FGCU 78, Georgetown 68 (won by 10)
March 24, 2013: FGCU 81, San Diego State 71 (won by 10)

Peaked, then peaked again two days later. So...

March 15, 2016: FGCU 96, Fairleigh Dickinson 65 (won by 31)
March 17, 2016: FGCU 81, North Carolina 50 (will win by 31)

It's not 82-50, but it might be better.

Getting killed now

[-jk]

Getting killed now

Robin Williams had a wonderful golf thing that talked about "hope". It fits here...

(You'll have to google it; it's not family friendly. It is hilarious.)

-jk

[DU82]

Dang, there goes my bracket (and I got both 5-12s earlier...)

6112

[dukelifer]

If only FGCU could have save their best game of the year for the second game they played. Peaked two days too early. They will lose by 20.

They did better than I thought - only a 16 pt win

[Doria]

Funny quotation after Providence's edge-of-their-pants win:

"We call that play ‘Carolina.’ Nah, I’m only joking." — Cooley, asked what the name of the Friars’ game-winning play is.

Hope they got the jitters out today and come out ready to play on Saturday.

[RepoMan]

Kentucky is good. I am so glad that are a 4 seed in this region. I will be shocked if Carolina gets past them. If they do, I fear what might follow -- I could not bear a UNC championship

[flyingdutchdevil]

Kentucky is good. I am so glad that are a 4 seed in this region. I will be shocked if Carolina gets past them. If they do, I fear what might follow -- I could not bear a UNC championship

I am in a predicament. I need help.

I don't like Kentucky. No Duke fan really does. I like Indiana (doesn't help that one of my best friends is a diehard Indiana fan). But I think UNC will murder Indiana.

Soooooo.....do I cheer for Indiana or Kentucky? The end goal is having both UNC and Kentucky out of the tournament, and I think Kentucky ousting UNC and losing in the EE/FF is more likely than Indiana ousting UNC.

[luburch]

I am in a predicament. I need help.

I don't like Kentucky. No Duke fan really does. I like Indiana (doesn't help that one of my best friends is a diehard Indiana fan). But I think UNC will murder Indiana.

Soooooo....do I cheer for Indiana or Kentucky? The end goal is having both UNC and Kentucky out of the tournament, and I think Kentucky ousting UNC and losing in the EE/FF is more likely than Indiana ousting UNC.

I think Indiana matches up fairly well against UNC, granted I'm an IU alum so maybe I'm a little biased. :)

I think the real answer is to cheer for Indiana and Providence. Hopefully Dunn can make some magic happen.

[tbyers11]

I am in a predicament. I need help.

I don't like Kentucky. No Duke fan really does. I like Indiana (doesn't help that one of my best friends is a diehard Indiana fan). But I think UNC will murder Indiana.

Soooooo...do I cheer for Indiana or Kentucky? The end goal is having both UNC and Kentucky out of the tournament, and I think Kentucky ousting UNC and losing in the EE/FF is more likely than Indiana ousting UNC.

Kentucky all the way. While Kentucky is my most hated non-UNC team I don't have any love for Indiana and Tom Crean either so that is an easy call for me as I think UK has a much better shot at beating UNC.

Here are my goals for every NCAA tournament:

1) Duke win it all/out-perform expectations
2) UNC not win it all/under-perform expectations (this is actually 1B this year with the looming hammer)
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3) Kentucky not win it all/under-perform expectations

I also agree with you that UK has a much greater chance of flaming out in EE/FF. Their ceiling is as high as UNC but their floor is not nearly as high (see several of their road SEC losses to bad teams).

[Olympic Fan]

Dang, there goes my bracket (and I got both 5-12s earlier...)

6112

Missing a first-round game shouldn't hurt your bracket much.

If Providence wins Saturday, you're back on track.

The real pain is when a team you pick to lose in the first round goes deep into the tourney ... or a team you pick to go deep into the tourney loses in the first round.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

I am in a predicament. I need help.

I don't like Kentucky. No Duke fan really does. I like Indiana (doesn't help that one of my best friends is a diehard Indiana fan). But I think UNC will murder Indiana.

Soooooo...do I cheer for Indiana or Kentucky? The end goal is having both UNC and Kentucky out of the tournament, and I think Kentucky ousting UNC and losing in the EE/FF is more likely than Indiana ousting UNC.
You can always root for the comet...

[brevity]

You can always root for the comet...

The comet that hits Raleigh, but spares Durham?

[JNort]

Kentucky doesn't really bother me. I just don't want them to win a Natty. So I have no problem pulling for UK until UNC goes out

[tbyers11]

The comet that hits Raleigh, but spares Durham?

Wouldn't this comet hit Des Moines (for UK-IU) or Philly (UK-UNC)?

Durham will be safe, but I will root for a very small, localized comet to spare collateral damage to Iowans and/or Pennsylvanians ;)

[Doria]

I am in a predicament. I need help.

I don't like Kentucky. No Duke fan really does. I like Indiana (doesn't help that one of my best friends is a diehard Indiana fan). But I think UNC will murder Indiana.

Soooooo....do I cheer for Indiana or Kentucky? The end goal is having both UNC and Kentucky out of the tournament, and I think Kentucky ousting UNC and losing in the EE/FF is more likely than Indiana ousting UNC.

This is actually a tough choice for me, as well. I have no personal affiliations with either Indiana or Kentucky (though I despise Kentucky, naturally). Indiana looked great in their game yesterday, but despite Kentucky's questionable frontcourt, I give them a better chance to beat Carolina.

I might just want a good Indiana-Kentucky game, and for the winner to beat Carolina, should they get past Providence. I'd like to hope they are the insurance policy.

[COYS]

Kentucky doesn't really bother me. I just don't want them to win a Natty. So I have no problem pulling for UK until UNC goes out

I would modify this to say that UK doesn't really bother me relative to UNC. I'm as far away from being a UK fan as the earth is from the moon (really far). I'm as far away from being a UNC fan as the nearest star that's not out sun (Proxima Centauri) is from the earth (many orders of magnitude father). I don't want to see a UK championship, but if my only choice is a UK championship or a UNC championship, the choice is easy. If UK advancing decreases the odds of a UNC title, then I am all for it.

[brevity]

You can always root for the comet...


The comet that hits Raleigh, but spares Durham?


Wouldn't this comet hit Des Moines (for UK-IU) or Philly (UK-UNC)?

Durham will be safe, but I will root for a very small, localized comet to spare collateral damage to Iowans and/or Pennsylvanians ;)

Sorry about that. UNC plays Providence in Raleigh, Indiana plays Kentucky in Des Moines, and then the winners (Providence and, say, Indiana*) play each other next week in Philadelphia.

* I kind of want Tom Crean to keep his job, because college basketball is funnier that way.

[Doria]

I'm as far away from being a UK fan as the earth is from the moon (really far). I'm as far away from being a UNC fan as the nearest star that's not out sun (Proxima Centauri) is from the earth (many orders of magnitude father). I don't want to see a UK championship, but if my only choice is a UK championship or a UNC championship, the choice is easy. If UK advancing decreases the odds of a UNC title, then I am all for it.

Hmm, I feel this is suspiciously friendly to both UK and UNC... (I am just kidding, though, I agree about the choice of champions there, and I'd add Kansas into the mix, because I ALSO hate them!)


Sorry about that. UNC plays Providence in Raleigh, Indiana plays Kentucky in Des Moines, and then the winners (Providence and, say, Indiana*) play each other next week in Philadelphia.

* I kind of want Tom Crean to keep his job, because college basketball is funnier that way.

Is Tom Crean really in danger of losing his job? I know he isn't very likable, and correspondingly not well liked, but wasn't Indiana the regular season champion of the Big 10 (or whatever number)? In a year when they weren't, IMO, the best team in that conference, that's a great result. It isn't like they missed out on the post-season or anything.

[DU82]

Missing a first-round game shouldn't hurt your bracket much.

If Providence wins Saturday, you're back on track.

The real pain is when a team you pick to lose in the first round goes deep into the tourney ... or a team you pick to go deep into the tourney loses in the first round.

The real pain is Cheaters winning, period. I'm consistent at least; I was the only one in my group to pick Weber State, for instance. And Harvard got robbed last year.

(And inserting Providence in the second round was part of the plan.)

[CDu]

Wisconsin on pace for about 25 points... for the game! And yet, they are within striking distance late in the first half.

[Doria]

Not exactly an offensive showcase there. Come on, Pitt. Finish off an undefeated first round for the ACC!

[CDu]

Not exactly an offensive showcase there. Come on, Pitt. Finish off an undefeated first round for the ACC!

Yeah it has been awful basketball. The two teams are likely to combine for less than 40 points for the half. And it isn't stellar defense that is causing the drought.

[Indoor66]

Yeah it has been awful basketball. The two teams are likely to combine for less than 40 points for the half. And it isn't stellar defense that is causing the drought.

...and will lead the tourney in boredom.

[brevity]

Earlier today I painted the wall in my den on the opposite side from the TV. Kind of an oatmeal color, with an equally bland grey border. I wanted to be done before the tournament games started, so I could give them my complete attention.

Now, as I continue to watch Pittsburgh and Wisconsin play the slowest music in the Big Dance, I find that my eyes wander back and forth between the TV and the recently painted wall.

I guess I'm saying that this game is like watching paint dry.

[Doria]

I guess I'm saying that this game is like watching paint dry.

I think you're literally saying you're torn between watching the game and watching paint dry! Let us know which side wins, because that sounds a lot more interesting than this game; maybe you could consider live-blogging the paint!

And the other games right now aren't much more interesting. I tried to watch a little of the Oregon game, but couldn't withstand the horrible uniforms, and I almost always can't stand watching WVU.

Pitt is just so frustrating to watch, and relative to the first half, both they and Wisconsin are on FIRE, ugh!

[CDu]

Pitt has an amazing gift for fouling without getting called for a foul. Repeatedly.

[Doria]

Predictably, Roy not happy with the late start time. In fairness, I wouldn't be happy with it, either, but I'm always down for a little chuckle at Roy's expense; I mean, someone has to get the late time.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article66956877.html

[BigWayne]

SFA finishing off WV right now.

[wavedukefan70s]

I have to admit .i was a sfa fan for a little while tonight.:)

[Doria]

I have to admit .i was a sfa fan for a little while tonight.:)

You are not alone.

[ncexnyc]

SFA finishing off WV right now.
Looks like that guy Mayhem from the All-State commercials decided to pay the tournament a visit today.
After a near perfect day one, my day two picks have been a disaster.

[grossbus]

Obvious ND is not playing us. Not looking good.

[OldPhiKap]

Kentucky-Indiana at the half. Fun.

[Indoor66]

Anyone think he unCheat start time could be a statement from the NCAA?

[dukelifer]

Kentucky-Indiana at the half. Fun.

Indiana may win this but they are running low on players. May be tough to do much in the next game and that is what matters.

[jipops]

I shouldn't be, but I'm pulling for UK here. They're a better matchup for the cheats than IU. Would be interesting to see Poythress matched up with Johnson. And IU has 2 injured players right now.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

This matchup is pretty great.

[jipops]

This is shaping up to be a classic.

[dukelifer]

This matchup is pretty great.

Feels like a semi final

[Troublemaker]

I'm rooting for Indiana. It would be great to see Calipari suffer an early exit at Kentucky for once. (They did miss the tournament in 2013, true.) I'm not sure why people think IU can't beat UNC. We're probably letting our game with them in early December color things too much. IU is a faaaar different team now.

[jipops]

I'm rooting for Indiana. It would be great to see Calipari suffer an early exit at Kentucky for once. (They did miss the tournament in 2013, true.) I'm not sure why people think IU can't beat UNC. We're probably letting our game with them in early December color things too much. IU is a faaaar different team now.

Yes they are. But they thrive by pushing the pace. This suits the cheats quite well. I think they would destroy IU, especially since the Hoosiers could be down a player.

[duke4ever19]

I'm so conflicted right now. I think UK is the better matchup against UNC, but I would love to see UK go home while Duke moves on.

[Duke76]

I'm so conflicted right now. I think UK is the better matchup against UNC, but I would love to see UK go home while Duke moves on.

Cats presser is going to be interesting if they lose....

[Troublemaker]

Yes they are. But they thrive by pushing the pace. This suits the cheats quite well. I think they would destroy IU, especially since the Hoosiers could be down a player.

Even if you're right -- we'll see, and there are other factors to winning a bball game than just pace -- we have 5 chances for UNC to lose. It's not critical that they lose in the round of 16. Kentucky's probably about to go home, and I have a smile on my face.

Hopefully Providence makes it all moot tonight.

[jipops]

I also hope Ulis declares for the draft this year. Kid is crazy good.

[Troublemaker]

I also hope Ulis declares for the draft this year. Kid is crazy good.

We agree here. Ulis is now projected as a (late) first-rounder, and it sounds like Calipari expects him to go (http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/03/14/john-calipari-kentucky-pg-tyler-ulis-entering-2016-nba-draft/).

[dukelifer]

I'm so conflicted right now. I think UK is the better matchup against UNC, but I would love to see UK go home while Duke moves on.

Looks like it is going to happen. Based on what I see here- IU has a lot of fight in them. Hopefully that kid who went out will be able to play if UNC advances.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Part two of the perfect day trifecta is complete. Let's go Providence!

[tbyers11]

Indiana must be really upset by the fact that Kentucky was under-seeded.

[dukelifer]

Cats presser is going to be interesting if they lose...

Not about winning- it is about getting these kids ready for the NBA.

[Troublemaker]

Indiana must be really upset by the fact that Kentucky was under-seeded.

Calipari says, "It's not Kentucky that it hurts..." but I bet he'd have rather played some 6 seed today.

[Doria]

I thought Kentucky would match up better with UNC, so I wanted them to win, but I found I just couldn't root for them. I have a hard time cheering (much) for Indiana historically, but they've shown a lot of heart over the season after the shaky start. Good win for them.

(Also, I'm another one who likes Ulis. I've liked him since last year, though he admittedly looked a lot more inconsistent last year. But this year, he was often the only one who seemed to care about winning during Kentucky's early struggles. Just a tremendous player.)

[ncexnyc]

Not about winning- it is about getting these kids ready for the NBA.
Yes, he's done a great job with Alex Poythress. Now I realize he had a really bad injury, but his best year at UK was as a freshman.

[Atlanta Duke]

Kenny Smith calls bull**** on Barkley saying this was Cal's best coaching job

[BD80]

calipari just got out-coached by Tom Arnold.

[uh_no]

calipari just got out-coached by Tom Arnold.

shenanigans.....calipari is a great coach as evidenced by his folding whenever he has to play a real team in the tournament....

[NSDukeFan]

shenanigans....calipari is a great coach as evidenced by his folding whenever he has to play a real team in the tournament...

Did he say "we got this" for his halftime interview?

[JNort]

shenanigans....calipari is a great coach as evidenced by his folding whenever he has to play a real team in the tournament...

Still not sure how he didn't win with that John Wall team. Looking back that team was loaded! Cal just let the get 3 shot happy and that was their weakest point

[Duke79UNLV77]

Sure glad K doesn't have a knee-jerk policy of sitting a player with 2 fouls until halftime. Still haven't seen Dunn since I turned on the UNC-Providence game.

[uh_no]

Sure glad K doesn't have a knee-jerk policy of sitting a player with 2 fouls until halftime. Still haven't seen Dunn since I turned on the UNC-Providence game.

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

[Bluedog]

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

It worked for UConn and (Emeka) Okafor against us in 2004, arghhhhhh! But I agree that I like the fact that K doesn't automatically sit his players with two fouls.

[mattman91]

Wow.....who else just watched the UNC band "getting low"?

[uh_no]

It worked for UConn and (Emeka) Okafor against us in 2004, arghhhhhh! But I agree that I like the fact that K doesn't automatically sit his players with two fouls.

and it cost them a real shot against kansas after they benched brimah tonight.

[Doria]

Am I the only one who just saw Paige call a TO and thought, "Roy's gonna be so mad!"

[Furniture]

I am not a UNC hater but Brice Johnson becomes more and more easy to dislike every game I watch. Excessive taunting, hanging on the rim..ugh!

[sbroc012]

I am not a UNC hater but Brice Johnson becomes more and more easy to dislike every game I watch. Excessive taunting, hanging on the rim..ugh!

I was just about to say the exact same thing. Every single play he makes you would think he just made a game seven winning play. It's ridiculous. And not to mention every dunk he pulls himself up on the rim.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

I am not a UNC hater but Brice Johnson becomes more and more easy to dislike every game I watch. Excessive taunting, hanging on the rim..ugh!
I most certainly am a UNC hater. I hate everything about them... Particularly how they get away with the high moving screen on almost every play.

[Furniture]

UNC gets all the calls? Tough game for Providence!

[sbroc012]

Welp. Let's go Indiana. I think Indiana has a better chance to take the cheats out then Xavier or Notre Dame.

[millerecu]

I remember thinking during both Duke vs uNC games that Brice kept doing pull ups or hanging on the rim. Isn't that supposed to be a technical. Wasn't it Jabari that used to get called for that alot? Guess Brice has earned the right to do it being a senior and all.

[Furniture]

All over bar the shouting....

[sbroc012]

Providence reminds me of that out of control AAU team that you would play when young and they always seemed to frustrate everyone at first but then you just played decent fundamental ball and they would fall apart.

[WakeDevil]

The UNC officials arrived late because they forgot to set their clocks forward.They did not waste any time restoring order.

[sbroc012]

I remember thinking during both Duke vs uNC games that Brice kept doing pull ups or hanging on the rim. Isn't that supposed to be a technical. Wasn't it Jabari that used to get called for that alot? Guess Brice has earned the right to do it being a senior and all.

Heck he hung on the rim for 5 seconds after he was called for an offensive foul.

[sbroc012]

The UNC officials arrived late because they forgot to set their clocks forward.They did not waste any time restoring order.

No kidding. It's over now but wow they can't touch them without getting a whistle blown.

[eddiehaskell]

Refs calling a lot of ticky tac fouls on the Providence stars and they can't make 3s or free throws. They basically beat themselves with a little help from the refs. Bullock and Lindsay a combined 1-12...can't win with only Dunn showing up and Bentil fouled out.

Btw - maybe playing in Raleigh might is helping UNC get some calls. Refs responding to fan noise.

[eddiehaskell]

Oh and yes BJ is annoying with his constant yelling and hanging on the rim. Can't wait for him to be put in his place.

[jipops]

Allowed myself to watch some of the 2nd half. Good lord this is a talented team. And they play extremely well together after being around each other for a few years. How does talent like this stick around this long in this day and age? Duke would have lost a kid like Hicks to the draft a year or two ago.

[Furniture]

This was basically a home game for the heels. I bet they come crashing down to earth vs Indiana who looked really good tonight vs UK!
I have a peculiar feeling about it!

[eddiehaskell]

Allowed myself to watch some of the 2nd half. Good lord this is a talented team. And they play extremely well together after being around each other for a few years. How does talent like this stick around this long in this day and age? Duke would have lost a kid like Hicks to the draft a year or two ago.Seems like UNC isn't producing sure fire NBA talent like they used to so that means deeper more experienced teams that are really, really good. Berry, BJ, Britt, Hicks, Meeks and Paige are ALL 21-22 years old. A team chocked full of 21-22 former McD's is dangerous.

When is the last time UNC had a underclassman go pro? If I'm not mistaken it was Marshall and Barnes who were sophomores - FOUR years ago. Imagine if Duke could recruit at the McD level and retain talent for 3-4 years. The last freshman they had go pro was who - Brandan Wright 9 years ago?

[ncexnyc]

Allowed myself to watch some of the 2nd half. Good lord this is a talented team. And they play extremely well together after being around each other for a few years. How does talent like this stick around this long in this day and age? Duke would have lost a kid like Hicks to the draft a year or two ago.

Are you serious? Did you watch them at all last year?

Johnson up until this season was a decent player who had issues with his motor and was often in Roy's doghouse.

Paige, well we've discussed him often enough on this board and it's hard to say he's a better player as a senior than he was when he first came to UNC.

Meeks is still a Big Mac shy of 300 lbs and I haven't seen any improvement in his game.

Jackson and Pinson are solid role players, hardly NBA material.

I will concede that both Berry and Hicks have come on strong at the end of this season, but I believe a lot of those two players success comes about due to what Johnson is doing down low.

[kAzE]

Seems like UNC isn't producing sure fire NBA talent like they used to so that means deeper more experienced teams that are really, really good. Berry, BJ, Britt, Hicks, Meeks and Paige are ALL 21-22 years old. A team chocked full of 21-22 former McD's is dangerous.

When is the last time UNC had a underclassman go pro? If I'm not mistaken it was Marshall and Barnes who were sophomores - FOUR years ago. Imagine if Duke could recruit at the McD level and retain talent for 3-4 years. The last freshman they had go pro was who - Brandan Wright 9 years ago?

It sounds good on paper, but just wait till you see their team next year. I might be wrong, but I just don't see that team being great. They don't have any major recruits coming in, and they'll be relying on Jackson, Meeks, and Berry for alot of their offense. Ehhh. I'm not getting too excited about that if I'm a Heel fan, especially if I'm looking at the other team and they have Giles, Jefferson, Tatum, Kennard, and Thornton on the floor. I'll still take Duke and UK's approach.

If you can get the best 1 and dones, it's not about what you build over the course of 4 years. It's all about getting the best guys can, even if you only get them for a year, and a few veterans who are willing to stick around and lead those guys. That's the most consistent winning formula right now. If Amile didn't get hurt, we'd have arguably had a Final Four caliber team for 3 years straight starting in 2015 and going on through next year. UK has had a few down years, but we've seen what happens when everything comes together for them. The 2012 and 2015 Wildcats were easily 2 of the most talented college basketball teams ever. I'm hoping next year will be that kind of year for us.

[eddiehaskell]

As a college player, Jackson is better than a role player (averages 12/4/3). The same can be said for Berry and Hicks. Johnson is elite as a senior. While Paige hasn't improved he's still a really good college player (averages 12/4/3).

How many teams have 5-6 really good players and very solid role players like Meeks, Pinson and Britt?

[kAzE]

I totally agree with the idea that Brandon Ingram isn't ready for the NBA yet, but his potential is too enormous to not draft. He's going to be almost exactly in the same position that Giannis Antetokumnpo was in when he was drafted. And I think he's going to take 2 or 3 years from now to realize his potential.

That said, he's still a damn good player in college. He's the best player on the floor most of the time. Just wish he didn't have to play the 4, he was really starting to come into his own on the wing before Amile got hurt.

[eddiehaskell]

It sounds good on paper, but just wait till you see their team next year. I might be wrong, but I just don't see that team being great. They don't have any major recruits coming in, and they'll be relying on Jackson, Meeks, and Berry for alot of their offense. Ehhh. I'm not getting too excited about that if I'm a Heel fan, especially if I'm looking at the other team and they have Giles, Jefferson, Tatum, Kennard, and Thornton on the floor. I'll still take Duke and UK's approach.

If you can get the best 1 and dones, it's not about what you build over the course of 4 years. It's all about getting the best guys can, even if you only get them for a year, and a few veterans who are willing to stick around and lead those guys. That's the most consistent winning formula right now. If Amile didn't get hurt, we'd have arguably had a Final Four caliber team for 3 years straight starting in 2015 and going on through next year. UK has had a few down years, but we've seen what happens when everything comes together for them. The 2012 and 2015 Wildcats were easily 2 of the most talented college basketball teams ever. I'm hoping next year will be that kind of year for us.I wouldn't argue that K should change his strategy. I'm just saying that Roy's method can work too. Heck, I'm not even sure if he has a method - perhaps he simply can't get the very top recruits and for some reason many of his players lose NBA appeal the longer they hang around (Hansbrough, Paige, McAdoo, Barnes).

Duke should definitely be better next year, but I sorta doubt UNC will have anything close to a bad year even by UNC/Duke standards. Guys like Jackson, Berry and Hicks are capable of stepping up to become the next Paige or Johnson. All three are already annoyingly good. Pinson, Meeks and Britt are above average role players that will all be upperclassman. Hate to say it but Duke/UNC games will probably still be a dog fight. I only see UNC having a down year(s) if their 2016/2017 recruits aren't pretty good going into the 2018 season...even then who knows how good Jackson, Berry and Pinson could be as seniors?

[dukelifer]

It sounds good on paper, but just wait till you see their team next year. I might be wrong, but I just don't see that team being great. They don't have any major recruits coming in, and they'll be relying on Jackson, Meeks, and Berry for alot of their offense. Ehhh. I'm not getting too excited about that if I'm a Heel fan, especially if I'm looking at the other team and they have Giles, Jefferson, Tatum, Kennard, and Thornton on the floor. I'll still take Duke and UK's approach.

If you can get the best 1 and dones, it's not about what you build over the course of 4 years. It's all about getting the best guys can, even if you only get them for a year, and a few veterans who are willing to stick around and lead those guys. That's the most consistent winning formula right now. If Amile didn't get hurt, we'd have arguably had a Final Four caliber team for 3 years straight starting in 2015 and going on through next year. UK has had a few down years, but we've seen what happens when everything comes together for them. The 2012 and 2015 Wildcats were easily 2 of the most talented college basketball teams ever. I'm hoping next year will be that kind of year for us.

UNC is playing really well right now and should easily get to the Final Four. They have eight players contributing and their guard play is now good. Indiana will give them a fight but they are thin now and UNC has too many bodies. After that game - they roll. I am not giving them the NC yet but they are likely playing for the big prize. Not sure what happens next year (absent a NCAA hammer)- they have a lot of talent left. People love to knock Roy but the guy can coach and we have seen this before - he had gotten many of his teams with good but not spectacular talent to the Final Four.

[kmspeaks]

The UNC officials arrived late because they forgot to set their clocks forward.They did not waste any time restoring order.

A friend posted on Facebook, "Brice Johnson having a chat with the officials, explaining that in the ACC when Carolina gets in a close game you guys in the stripes are supposed to bail us out." Guess they got the message.


UNC is playing really well right now and should easily get to the Final Four. They have eight players contributing and their guard play is now good. Indiana will give them a fight but they are thin now and UNC has too many bodies. After that game - they roll. I am not giving them the NC yet but they are likely playing for the big prize. Not sure what happens next year (absent a NCAA hammer)- they have a lot of talent left. People love to knock Roy but the guy can coach and we have seen this before - he had gotten many of his teams with good but not spectacular talent to the Final Four.

Will it be a little tougher now that those kids are, supposedly, going to class? :rolleyes:

[DUKIE V(A)]

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UNC is playing really well right now and should easily get to the Final Four. They have eight players contributing and their guard play is now good. Indiana will give them a fight but they are thin now and UNC has too many bodies. After that game - they roll. I am not giving them the NC yet but they are likely playing for the big prize. Not sure what happens next year (absent a NCAA hammer)- they have a lot of talent left. People love to knock Roy but the guy can coach and we have seen this before - he had gotten many of his teams with good but not spectacular talent to the Final Four.

I agree with your assessment. UNC is playing great basketball right now. I thought Kentucky was the team to beat them but after watching Indiana and Kentucky play yesterday, I view Indiana as a much better balanced team and the team in the East Region with the best chance to beat UNC. To me the key to beating UNC will be 1. Shooting exceptionally well, 2. Slowing the tempo, and 3. Keeping them off the offensive boards. Brice Johnson is their most important player. If he gets into foul trouble or has an off night, they are much more beatable.

They still have a tough road...Indiana, likely Notre Dame or Xavier, UVA or perhaps Iowa State, then Duke �� (or Kansas/Oklahoma)

[jdc75]

I missed this one until just now.

Ol' Roy was so mad about his team having to start at 9:40pm last night he dropped a "jiminy christmas" bomb.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article67072337.html

So I guess even if you're the only #1 seed team allowed to play two home games to open the tourney there is still good reason to rant and complain. :D

[turnandburn55]

When is the last time UNC had a underclassman go pro? If I'm not mistaken it was Marshall and Barnes who were sophomores - FOUR years ago. Imagine if Duke could recruit at the McD level and retain talent for 3-4 years. The last freshman they had go pro was who - Brandan Wright 9 years ago?

JP Toronto left early last year. Reggae Bullock, Tyler Zeller, and Henson were also early entrants.

Really hard to predict who's going to be both talented and stay 4 years. Nolan Smiths don't grow on trees.

[CDu]

JP Toronto left early last year. Reggae Bullock, Tyler Zeller, and Henson were also early entrants.

Really hard to predict who's going to be both talented and stay 4 years. Nolan Smiths don't grow on trees.

Zeller was not an early entry guy.

[BD80]

JP Toronto left early last year. Reggae Bullock, Tyler Zeller, and Henson were also early entrants.
...

Those guys put in 3 years at unc, and they took as many classes as most 4-year unc players - 8.

[hudlow]

I woulda sworn I heard Lenny Wirtz' whistle last night.

[OldPhiKap]

I woulda sworn I heard Lenny Wirtz' whistle last night.

That just sent a shiver up my spine.

[dukelifer]

JP Toronto left early last year. Reggae Bullock, Tyler Zeller, and Henson were also early entrants.

Really hard to predict who's going to be both talented and stay 4 years. Nolan Smiths don't grow on trees.

Well to be fair, Nolan struggled his first two years and only started to show his potential in his junior year. You want guys who have room to grow but that also requires having a team with some solid veterans. Mason Plumlee grew as a player - beginning with a senior ladened team- and became one of the best players in the country as a senior. If Marshall Plumlee was playing like he is now as a Freshman- he would be a first round lock. But he needed time to grow as a player. Duke has mostly won by developing good players (just six years ago) and also by using multiple first round talented Freshman like last year. K is running out of seasons. He is looking to win now with a mix. Next year will be an interesting test of all that he has learned as a coach.

[BD80]

... K is running out of seasons. ...

Yeah, I don't see the old geezer winning much more than 2 or 3 more NCAA championships.

[dukelifer]

Yeah, I don't see the old geezer winning much more than 2 or 3 more NCAA championships.

Well, he will need to up his rate- which is now every 5 years.

[devildeac]

Hoosier Daddy? ;)

[pfrduke]

The Notre Dame - SF Austin first half has been really high quality basketball. Stephen F. Austin is a very good team.

[OldPhiKap]

The Notre Dame - SF Austin first half has been really high quality basketball. Stephen F. Austin is a very good team.

I'm a lumberjack
And I'm okay
I sleep all night,
I work all day. . . .

[duke4ever19]

What a great game. Part of me wants the ACC to keep kicking butt, but another part really wants to see Auguste out of this tournament.

[jacone21]

I think Walkup's beard may be more powerful than Brey's stubbly beard.

The way they're carrying on, Verne and Jim seem to think Walkup is the next Lebron.

[uh_no]

I think Walkup's beard may be more powerful than Brey's stubbly beard.

The way they're carrying on, Verne and Jim seem to think Walkup is the next Lebron.

choke by SFA on the last offensive possession. I don't understand how teams in that situation can completely NOT run any offense....way too often it's dribble dribble dribble jack a three, or take a crappy shot. That's what happened here. how many passes were there on that possession...ZERO. awful.

[OldPhiKap]

Nice win by Dame

[Doria]

Great finish with the tip to win.

[jacone21]

Pfreaking incredible pfinish.

[Troublemaker]

Bronson Koenig is a freaking stud. Wow. Two extremely difficult threes to tie and then win it for Wiscy.

[dukelifer]

Pfreaking incredible pfinish.

Another incredible finish- Looks Like UNC in the FF now

[Duke79UNLV77]

Things are really opening up for UNC. Come on, Hoosiers!

[91devil]

So UNC has a #5, #6, #7 left in their way.

[bleedingblue88]

So UNC has a #5, #6, #7 left in their way.

Unbelievable. UNC going to cakewalk to the final four.

[gocanes0506]

Hoosiers and ND won't be easy. Xavier was never a challenge as a 2. Let's Go Hoosiers!

[bleedingblue88]

Hoosiers and ND won't be easy. Xavier was never a challenge as a 2. Let's Go Hoosiers!

Uhh... UNC beat ND by 31 points a week ago.

[ncexnyc]

Uhh... UNC beat ND by 31 points a week ago.

And how'd that first game play out?

[El_Diablo]

Hoosiers and ND won't be easy. Xavier was never a challenge as a 2. Let's Go Hoosiers!

ND will likely not present any semblance of challenge; UNC just beat them by 31 a week ago.

[bleedingblue88]

And how'd that first game play out?

Dude teams 6-7 weeks ago were not the same as they are right now. UNC is a lot better now than they were in early February. (just like we were a lot better back in early February versus now)

[dukelifer]

Uhh... UNC beat ND by 31 points a week ago.

Well to be fair- we beat Notre Dame by 30 last year and then lost the next game by 10. But I do think UNC will walk to the FF

[jipops]

Yes, the cheats are etched in stone for the Final Four. And that was before the Xavier loss.

[91devil]

Frankly, Virginia is the biggest (only?) thing in their way to the Champ Game. I kid, a bit, as Indiana and Yogi is a tough opponent.

Meanwhile it's chalk on the other half of the bracket.

Luck of the draw.

[Troublemaker]

Both Indiana and Wiscy will give them tough games. ND is resilient and could surprise as well. (Great point about how last year they sandwiched close wins over Duke around a massive blowout loss in Cameron.)

If people are so confident that UNC will make the Final Four, I'm sure you can get UNC -120ish or so to win the region in Vegas. That means bet $1200 to win $1000. But don't limit yourself to winning just a mere thousand. It's a lock for UNC, afterall. A cakewalk. Bet your life savings.

[91devil]

Gambling is illegal at Bushwood.

[tbyers11]

Gambling is illegal at Bushwood.

Good thing. Otherwise, Bill Murray probably would have lost a bundle on Xavier tonight.:D

[DukieInKansas]

Looks like Roy has the late game again. Is he going to be upset?

Is it ok to hope the game before theirs goes to double OT?

[royalblue]

Both Indiana and Wiscy will give them tough games. ND is resilient and could surprise as well. (Great point about how last year they sandwiched close wins over Duke around a massive blowout loss in Cameron.)

If people are so confident that UNC will make the Final Four, I'm sure you can get UNC -120ish or so to win the region in Vegas. That means bet $1200 to win $1000. But don't limit yourself to winning just a mere thousand. It's a lock for UNC, afterall. A cakewalk. Bet your life savings.

Uncch win it all and Double my life savings. I would rather be poor
It's not 100% they will win it all but the yellow brick road keeps opening up if you look at the seed line on uncch' half of the bracket
Midwest and East
2 1seeds 1 4seed 1 5seed 1 6seed 1 7seed
1 10seed 1 11seed

[Edouble]

ND will likely not present any semblance of challenge; UNC just beat them by 31 a week ago.

While fully rested, with the Irish coming off of an OT game 24 hours earlier.


Yes, the cheats are etched in stone for the Final Four. And that was before the Xavier loss.

Wow, I'm shocked at the respect for the heels around here. Their best offense is still a missed shot. I have Indiana beating them in my bracket, and I'm sticking with that pick. And FWIW, based on this year's tournament (and every other NCAA Tourney for the previous 30+ years) nothing is ever etched in stone.

[royalblue]

Looks like Roy has the late game again. Is he going to be upset?

Is it ok to hope the game before theirs goes to double OT?

I'm torn yes it would cause Roy an extra dag gum or dog gone but I'm not sure I want anything that could make the road any easier than it is already looking like for the heels

[Troublemaker]

Uncch win it all and Double my life savings. I would rather be poor
It's not 100% they will win it all but the yellow brick road keeps opening up if you look at the seed line on uncch' half of the bracket
Midwest and East
2 1seeds 1 4seed 1 5seed 1 6seed 1 7seed
1 10seed 1 11seed

Are they the biggest favorite ever or just a slightly bigger favorite than last year's Kentucky team?

[eddiehaskell]

JP Toronto left early last year. Reggae Bullock, Tyler Zeller, and Henson were also early entrants.

Really hard to predict who's going to be both talented and stay 4 years. Nolan Smiths don't grow on trees.But I said underclassmen. Tokoto, Bullock and Henson were all juniors which would make them upperclassman. Zeller was a senior. UNC just hasn't had many one and dones...or two and dones.

[royalblue]

Are they the biggest favorite ever or just a slightly bigger favorite than last year's Kentucky team?

My feelings
Bigger than UK 2015
IU will need to play an A+ game to have a chance
A better chance than 1984 :) IU 8-4 vs uncch and 2-0 in NCAA tourney but I still don't think it will happen
Round of 8 very very little chance of a loss
FF I do think UVA has great shot if they make it to Houston I picked them in my bracket but if not the path to Monday night is the yellow brick road at this point
Hoosiers please prove me wrong

[eddiehaskell]

For Pete's sake let's hope this year isn't another 2009 where UNC marches to a championship without a challenge (won every game by 12+). I certainly don't think they are unbeatable, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see that happen again.

[El_Diablo]

While fully rested, with the Irish coming off of an OT game 24 hours earlier.

Nope, not fully rested--UNC crushed Pitt before stomping Notre Dame the next day.

[ClosetHurleyFan]

This Carolina team has come a long way. Brice is playing like an all American on both ends, berry has turned into a very good floor leader, they play together well and they are hitting enough 3s. The last point is key for me. When the well was dry for a while I often said to my fellow Carolina fans that all they need to do is hit 3 to 5 a game, with one or two in first half preferably to loosen up the d early. While I wouldn't say Paige is back to previous form, he is hitting 1 to 3 three pointers now, berry is good for a couple too and then we get the occasional Jackson and Britt or pins on gravy. If they continue to play tough d they will be a tough out. But this is ncaa and you never know how the next guy will play. But I am proud of this team. I think they love playing together and I think Roy has done a good job brining them together the last couple of years.

I know you guys don't root for the heels but much like I can't claim to have disliked the 2010 duke championship team I don't think there is a whole lot to dislike about these Carolina kids.

[Indoor66]

This Carolina team has come a long way. Brice is playing like an all American on both ends, berry has turned into a very good floor leader, they play together well and they are hitting enough 3s. The last point is key for me. When the well was dry for a while I often said to my fellow Carolina fans that all they need to do is hit 3 to 5 a game, with one or two in first half preferably to loosen up the d early. While I wouldn't say Paige is back to previous form, he is hitting 1 to 3 three pointers now, berry is good for a couple too and then we get the occasional Jackson and Britt or pins on gravy. If they continue to play tough d they will be a tough out. But this is ncaa and you never know how the next guy will play. But I am proud of this team. I think they love playing together and I think Roy has done a good job brining them together the last couple of years.

I know you guys don't root for the heels but much like I can't claim to have disliked the 2010 duke championship team I don't think there is a whole lot to dislike about these Carolina kids.

I don't dislike any of the kids. I dislike the fact that they are the spawn of a cheating scheme that is verified to have started back at least as far as 1988.

[jipops]

I don't dislike any of the kids. I dislike the fact that they are the spawn of a cheating scheme that is verified to have started back at least as far as 1988.

I'm with Indoor on this. From the small set of games I have witnessed, they have a great bunch of kids. It's not them I'm rooting against. It's everything else about unc I'm rooting against. Everything.

[BD80]

... I don't think there is a whole lot to dislike about these Carolina kids.

They chose to play for ol' roy and a corrupt school.

Brice is starting to preen more and more after plays.

They wear the ugliest color in the entire spectrum of colors ...

[Channing]

I'm with Indoor on this. From the small set of games I have witnessed, they have a great bunch of kids. It's not them I'm rooting against. It's everything else about unc I'm rooting against. Everything.

I think it is the rare occasion that a Carolina person is actually a "bad person" and worth rooting against as an individual. Certainly no more so than any other team. But, as an institution, I their nauseating shade of blue intolerable. Strictly as it relates to play on the basketball court, I find Brice Johnson to be one of the least tolerable players in a LONG time. He gives off the aura of the kid who is cocky when winning, but wants to take his ball and go home if he is losing. I have no issue rooting against this version of the Tarheels.

[kmspeaks]

This Carolina team has come a long way. Brice is playing like an all American on both ends, berry has turned into a very good floor leader, they play together well and they are hitting enough 3s. The last point is key for me. When the well was dry for a while I often said to my fellow Carolina fans that all they need to do is hit 3 to 5 a game, with one or two in first half preferably to loosen up the d early. While I wouldn't say Paige is back to previous form, he is hitting 1 to 3 three pointers now, berry is good for a couple too and then we get the occasional Jackson and Britt or pins on gravy. If they continue to play tough d they will be a tough out. But this is ncaa and you never know how the next guy will play. But I am proud of this team. I think they love playing together and I think Roy has done a good job brining them together the last couple of years.

I know you guys don't root for the heels but much like I can't claim to have disliked the 2010 duke championship team I don't think there is a whole lot to dislike about these Carolina kids.

It's sports hate, not real hate. I'm sure they're good kids and I hope personally and professionally they achieve their dreams. But every time that put on that disgusting blue uniform and step on the basketball court I hope they lose and lose badly. Good things can start happening to them once they hang up the ugly argyle jersey for good.

[jv001]

This Carolina team has come a long way. Brice is playing like an all American on both ends, berry has turned into a very good floor leader, they play together well and they are hitting enough 3s. The last point is key for me. When the well was dry for a while I often said to my fellow Carolina fans that all they need to do is hit 3 to 5 a game, with one or two in first half preferably to loosen up the d early. While I wouldn't say Paige is back to previous form, he is hitting 1 to 3 three pointers now, berry is good for a couple too and then we get the occasional Jackson and Britt or pins on gravy. If they continue to play tough d they will be a tough out. But this is ncaa and you never know how the next guy will play. But I am proud of this team. I think they love playing together and I think Roy has done a good job brining them together the last couple of years.

I know you guys don't root for the heels but much like I can't claim to have disliked the 2010 duke championship team I don't think there is a whole lot to dislike about these Carolina kids.

This is a good take on your current team. As others have posted, I don't dislike any of these players and I don't hate old roy, but I think he's really stretchingggggggggggggggggggggggggg the truth when he says he did not know about the academic fraud that was going on. I've been a fan of several heel players, Brad Daughtery, Walter Davis, Bobby Jones, etc. My 2nd biggest dislike is the cheat fans that I have to put up with on a daily basis. You would think that the tarheels have been the better team over the last several years. I'm not saying you're that way. On the contrary, you seem to be a level headed fan. I know there are Duke fans that are the same way, but we are out numbered 25-1. Have a great day and God bless. GoDuke!

[Dukehky]

I am ready to never see Brice Johnson on my television again. He tough guy screams after every time he dribbles the ball without getting it stolen.

The rest of the team, I really don't care anything about, and I actually like Hicks, but I hate them as a whole, and I want them to lose to Indiana in the most desperate way possible.

[Atlanta Duke]

Yes, the cheats are etched in stone for the Final Four. And that was before the Xavier loss.

Roy certainly hopes so - this article on bonuses for public school Sweet 16 participants states he can pick up an additional $400,000 in bonuses this weekend

Here is a look at what already has been earned, and what is still available...

North Carolina’s Roy Williams

Has ...

$25,000: NCAA tournament bid

$100,000: Round of 32 appearance

$150,000: Sweet 16 appearance

Can get ...

$200,000: Elite Eight appearance

$200,000: Final Four appearance

$250,000: Win NCAA title

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/03/22/sweet-16-coaches-bonuses-billy-kennedy-roy-williwams-tony-bennett-dana-altman/82114198/

Pretty much covers every step of the tournament - I guess Roy's agent forgot to ask for more $$ for making it to the championship game

The linked article does not provide bonuses for Duke and other private schools

[CDu]

Agreed on Brice Johnson. For a player who is relatively soft (but quite talented), he makes an inordinate amount of tough-guy/angry faces. He is really good, don't get me wrong. But it is hard to take him seriously when when he flexes and angry-faces after a completely uncontested putback.

I hate the laundry, but I find it pretty crass to hate folks I don't know, especially teenage kids that I don't know. Unless you do something like Chris Paul did to Julius Hodge, I reserve the hate for the jerseys and not who wears them.

On a bit of a tangent, that is one of the reasons the Dana O'Neill article on Allen was completely inappropriate. It is one thing to retroactively talk about hatred of adults like Redick and Laettner. It is another thing entirely to write about hate of a kid while he is still in school and subject to experiencing that hate.

[sothear]

On a bit of a tangent, that is one of the reasons the Dana O'Neill article on Allen was completely inappropriate. It is one thing to retroactively talk about hatred of adults like Redick and Laettner. It is another thing entirely to write about hate of a kid while he is still in school and subject to experiencing that hate.[/QUOTE]

I picture her yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre and gleefully snacking on popcorn while people get trampled on the way out.

[MChambers]

Agreed on Brice Johnson. For a player who is relatively soft (but quite talented), he makes an inordinate amount of tough-guy/angry faces. He is really good, don't get me wrong. But it is hard to take him seriously when when he flexes and angry-faces after a completely uncontested putback.

I hate the laundry, but I find it pretty crass to hate folks I don't know, especially teenage kids that I don't know. Unless you do something like Chris Paul did to Julius Hodge, I reserve the hate for the jerseys and not who wears them.

On a bit of a tangent, that is one of the reasons the Dana O'Neill article on Allen was completely inappropriate. It is one thing to retroactively talk about hatred of adults like Redick and Laettner. It is another thing entirely to write about hate of a kid while he is still in school and subject to experiencing that hate.
+1

I strongly object to the use of "hate" when talking about sports figures. I understand that most people don't mean "hate" in this context to be the same as other types of hate, but some fans do. And that's taking sports way too seriously.

[Doria]

I agree, though when I say "hate" and let's face it, I do use it a lot in a sports context, I certainly don't mean personally. I mean, how could I possibly hate them personally, when by and large I know nothing about them except what I see on the court?

Given that, though, I do hate Berry for no real obvious reason. I also think that Carolina's use of "II" instead of "Jr." which everyone else uses is ridiculous and embarrassing. Perhaps that's the reason for my irrational distaste. I also miss the days that he'd launch up jumpers with no hope of going in...

[BD80]

I agree, though when I say "hate" and let's face it, I do use it a lot in a sports context, I certainly don't mean personally. I mean, how could I possibly hate them personally, when by and large I know nothing about them except what I see on the court?

Given that, though, I do hate Berry for no real obvious reason. I also think that Carolina's use of "II" instead of "Jr." which everyone else uses is ridiculous and embarrassing. Perhaps that's the reason for my irrational distaste. I also miss the days that he'd launch up jumpers with no hope of going in...

When it comes to hating anything related to Carolina, it is all reasonable and rational.

[flyingdutchdevil]

I agree, though when I say "hate" and let's face it, I do use it a lot in a sports context, I certainly don't mean personally. I mean, how could I possibly hate them personally, when by and large I know nothing about them except what I see on the court?

Given that, though, I do hate Berry for no real obvious reason. I also think that Carolina's use of "II" instead of "Jr." which everyone else uses is ridiculous and embarrassing. Perhaps that's the reason for my irrational distaste. I also miss the days that he'd launch up jumpers with no hope of going in...

Wait, is the "II" a Carolina thing? I'd be shocked by that. I think Joel is the one adding a "II"; not Carolina. Can anyone else validate that?

[nocilla]

Wait, is the "II" a Carolina thing? I'd be shocked by that. I think Joel is the one adding a "II"; not Carolina. Can anyone else validate that?

I don't know Berry's case but there is a difference in Jr and II. A junior takes the name from his father. A second or II takes his name from someone other than his father, say a grandfather.

[grad_devil]

I don't know Berry's case but there is a difference in Jr and II. A junior takes the name from his father. A second or II takes his name from someone other than his father, say a grandfather.

Yep. I'm a II, not a Jr., named after my great-grandfather. Not a UNC-CH thing, just a real life thing.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Anyone watching ball tonight? Wisco/ND is a good finish.

[dukelifer]

Anyone watching ball tonight? Wisco/ND is a good finish.

Watching. Irish with a huge steal

[jacone21]

And another huge steal.

Crazy!

[InSpades]

Demetrius Jackson just went nuts and stole the game. That was crazy.

[dukelifer]

And another huge steal.

Crazy!

Looks like it is still chalk. Notre Dame executed late and took it. 8-0 run in last 20 seconds.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Looks like it is still chalk. Notre Dame executed late and took it. 8-0 run in last 20 seconds.

Wow. I juat thought it was going to be a close final minute for once this round. ND worked that ending.

Nice show of emotion by the team in the postgame. Tough team.

[grossbus]

Amazing finish by the Irish after going down 3. Wiscy played well. Surprised they made it back this far.

[dukelifer]

Wow. I juat thought it was going to be a close final minute for once this round. ND worked that ending.

Nice show of emotion by the team in the postgame. Tough team.

Have to hope they have another miracle in them-

[Doria]

Wisconsin played pretty well, but that was some poor end-game management on consecutive possessions. But I was glad to see Demetrius Jackson coming up big, since I've always rather liked him, and it looked like he was having a rough night in general.

Edit: Thanks to everyone who corrected me about the "II" versus "Jr." I never knew that, and it was very interesting. I'd mistakenly thought it was just a Carolina thing because I'm pretty certain they have another player besides Berry who also is a "II." Anyhow, thanks for the information, guys!

[Duke79UNLV77]

Paige started 4-4 from 3. Bad sign. He's arguably been their weak link for much of the year.

[dukelifer]

Paige may have found his game

[Doria]

Well, let's hope he loses it again... Though it probably won't matter if Indiana can't find its three-point shooting.

[dukelifer]

Well, let's hope he loses it again... Though it probably won't matter if Indiana can't find its three-point shooting.
Not going to happen in this region. Only hope is in the Final.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

If Paige is going to play like this, UNC is going to be hanging a banner.

(Full disclosure: Paige is the only UNC player I have liked since Serge Zwikker, who was just danged goofy )

[FerryFor50]

Good to see UNC brought their refs

[dukelifer]

If Paige is going to play like this, UNC is going to be hanging a banner.

(Full disclosure: Paige is the only UNC player I have liked since Serge Zwikker, who was just danged goofy )

That is all they have been missing. It was in him. If you are going to find your game- now is the time. They still have not played the best competition, but they look to be moving forward to the FF.

[flyingdutchdevil]

That is all they have been missing. It was in him. If you are going to find your game- now is the time. They still have not played the best competition, but they look to be moving forward to the FF.

Don't care what kedsy's stats say, UNC is favorite to win it all

[Furniture]

They will get back to their mean surely and Indiana will come back. It looks bad but let's not give up yet!!

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

That is all they have been missing. It was in him. If you are going to find your game- now is the time. They still have not played the best competition, but they look to be moving forward to the FF.

Everyone has agreed all season that if UNC could get clicking, they had the biggest upside of anyone. Any bad night can obviously derail that, but they are closer to it now than any other point of the season.

I know they just beat ND and UVa two weeks ago, but I still think Virginia could match up really well against them if they both advance.

[Duke79UNLV77]

UNC 6-6 from 3. two guys making them are 33% and 27% for the year. And a team that lost to UNC by 31 last week awaits them.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Also, Tom Crean? Or Tom Arnold?

Doppelgangers, I say.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

UNC 6-6 from 3. two guys making them are 33% and 27% for the year. And a team that lost to UNC by 31 last week awaits them.
This is just god's way of stringing them along and setting them up for a disappointment that will last for years to come.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Anyone catch that segment on the 18 years of cheating and pending NCAA rul... Oh wait, never mind.

[Furniture]

The Nate Britt three......

[Duke79UNLV77]

UNC in the bonus 4 minutes into the 2nd half. Some questionable calls.

[El_Diablo]

Have to hope they have another miracle in them-

Approximately 0% chance of that happening.

[Wander]

UNC 6-6 from 3. two guys making them are 33% and 27% for the year. And a team that lost to UNC by 31 last week awaits them.

This is basketball god karma for the dozens of people on DBR who consistently claimed that the media were idiots for ranking UNC above UVA in the ACC preseason, that UNC was going to lose double digit games, and that they would be "shocked" to see UNC, a 1 seed, make the Final Four.

[Eternal Outlaw]

Down to Virginia, Kansas, or Oklahoma to knock out the Cheats, don't think the other four teams have a shot.

[JBDuke]

I'm holding on to hope that the Irish can take down the Heels. Just about everyone from Notre Dame not named Beachem had a sub-par shooting night, so I say they're due for a collective hot streak. And Notre Dame on a hot shooting streak can take down anyone. Furthermore, the Heels are shooting better than 50% from 3 in this game. I'm doubting they can do that twice in a row. And without good perimeter shooting, Carolina is vulnerable.

You gotta believe!

[-jk]

If ND can play D like they did the last minute they might have a chance...

-jk

[Doria]

If ND can play D like they did the last minute they might have a chance...

-jk

It would also help if they forego the (something like) 17 turnovers they had last time against Carolina. Here's hoping, but I'm not real optimistic. Will still watch and cheer for a Carolina loss!

[DUKIE V(A)]

Carolina is playing lights out basketball right now. The better defense and shooting of Paige and Berry (coupled with the continued maniacal offensive rebounding) has been the difference. They look like the best team right now. The only solace I will take if they are able to pull this off is that whenever a Duke or Carolina team wins a National Title, the other seems highly motivated and several have followed up with a National Championship of their own. Carolina 1993, Duke 2010, Carolina 2016?, Duke 2017?

Notre Dame is no pushover and anything can happen in a one game, rivalry scenario. UVA has the type of team that just won't back down, and Kansas has Ol' Roy's number. Still many roadblocks ahead, and I am rooting hard for all of Duke's 2017 motivation to be the intrinsic type.

[devildeac]

Go Irish.

(self-administers small dose of anti-emetic medication)

[Olympic Fan]

Mike Brey just tweeted: The Irish don't lose on Good Friday or Easter Sunday.

I like the optimism, but I think he's wrong historically. Not sure, but didn't Bobby Stevens of Virginia Tech beat Notre Dame in the 1973 NIT championship game? As I remember it, Notre Dame beat UNC in the semifinals on St. Patrick's Day, then lost to the Hokies on Easter Sunday.

Anybody else have a better memory of that?

[gumbomoop]

This is basketball god karma for the dozens of people on DBR who consistently claimed that the media were idiots for ranking UNC above UVA in the ACC preseason, that UNC was going to lose double digit games, and that they would be "shocked" to see UNC, a 1 seed, make the Final Four.


Maybe all those DBR posters who said UNC had no chance of winning the title this year can enlighten us with stats, win-loss records, and RSCI rankings . . .

If Cuse beats UVA it's probably over ... Nova has no chance against UNC, whereas at least I can see Hield going off on UNC. Let's go ND!

The possibility that the Heels might take this year's NC has understandably put us all on edge. I myself posted yesterday to the effect that I felt guilty, akin to idiocy, for wanting Nova to beat KU. So, 4 points, any or all of which might irritate some portion of our irritable community.

1. Was it really "dozens" or even "all those"? My admittedly loose recollection is that 3 or 4 is more like it. If the Heels, as, yes, expected, beat ND, then ok, a few posters' prediction will have been wrong. Normally not a big deal, but, sure, it's magnified all out of proportion this time. I myself don't discount the possibility that the Irish could pull off the upset. It wouldn't be of historic proportions, after all.

2. Did any, much less all, of the "UNC is overrated" group actually, literally, claim the Heels had "no chance" to win the 2016 NC? That just seems far too bold, even for anyone convinced at the start of the season that the Heels' weaknesses would be more telling than their strengths.

3. As for Cuse-Hoos, for several reasons I hope the Hoos don't lose again this season. I very much want to see them become the third team to get to this FF, no matter who's the Hoos' opponent in the National Semi. But I don't agree that Nova would have "no chance" to beat the Heels. They don't match the Heels' eye-test O-fluidity, but they seem to exude real toughness. Even more than UVa, maybe?

4. My eye-test (pretty limited) and intuition is that of the 6 teams left, Heels are the slimmest [or "slimiest," if you prefer AutoIncorrect's little joke] of favorites, it's a toss-up between UVa, Nova, and OU, and the Irish and Orange are dark horses. Would I say, of the 5 games remaining, that any team has "no chance" against any other team? No chance.

[Channing]

Go Irish (I just threw up a little in my mouth again)

[SirIronDuke]

Go Irish! Beat Tarheels!

Cheaters never win……

[jipops]

This is basketball god karma for the dozens of people on DBR who consistently claimed that the media were idiots for ranking UNC above UVA in the ACC preseason, that UNC was going to lose double digit games, and that they would be "shocked" to see UNC, a 1 seed, make the Final Four.

If kharma truly had any actual say in all of this, the cheats would have been bounced in the 1st round after at least 18 years of academic fraud. Therefore, it's obvious kharma hasn't been at play here. The cheats have a very, very good team. That was obvious coming into the season. Expecting otherwise was simply wishful thinking.

[jipops]

As Barkley alluded, there is a good chance ND will get run out of the gym in this one. I fully expect a blow out here. The Irish's defense is terrible. But I'm catching up on Better Call Saul tonight anyways.

[duke4ever19]

As Barkley alluded, there is a good chance ND will get run out of the gym in this one. I fully expect a blow out here. The Irish's defense is terrible. But I'm catching up on Better Call Saul tonight anyways.

Keep the faith, Duke faithful! Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the basketball gods are with thee whithersoever thou goest.

I kinda adapted the Bible just a smidge. :)

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

As Barkley alluded, there is a good chance ND will get run out of the gym in this one. I fully expect a blow out here. The Irish's defense is terrible. But I'm catching up on Better Call Saul tonight anyways.
Their defense is terrible and when kerlina misses they just send four guys over everyone's back to grab the rebound. It's a no win situation.

[kAzE]

Notre Dame with this current starting lineup is actually remarkably similar to our team this year: 1 true big at center and basically 4 guards. They have a really good offense and awful defense. They will continue to get killed on the boards with that lineup, just like us vs UNC. The difference is that they have Bonzie, who is a pretty solid big off the bench. Hopefully Auguste can stay out of foul trouble the rest of the way . . . they really can't afford to lose him.

[gocanes0506]

So if ND pulls this out, how many memes will pop up about the Big East has 3 teams in the FF.

[gumbomoop]

I'm always curious how frequently a key player who must know he's irreplaceable, and whose coaches must be constantly telling him he must not get into foul trouble, nevertheless commits stupid fouls early in a game. Tonight's Exhibit A is Zach Auguste.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

So if ND pulls this out, how many memes will pop up about the Big East has 3 teams in the FF.
I'd be thrilled to see them all.

[gurufrisbee]

My hopes of all four #1 seeds losing this round is clearly not going to happen as these refs have made it pretty clear from the beginning that they aren't letting the Terd Heels lose.

[duke4ever19]

My hopes of all four #1 seeds losing this round is clearly not going to happen as these refs have made it pretty clear from the beginning that they aren't letting the Terd Heels lose.

They need at least one "Blue Blood" program on the playbill for the Final Four.
Syracuse is a fringe blue-blood, but not good enough. Both Syracuse and UNC fans will travel well to see their teams.

[Troublemaker]

4. My eye-test (pretty limited) and intuition is that of the 6 teams left, Heels are the slimmest [or "slimiest," if you prefer AutoIncorrect's little joke] of favorites, it's a toss-up between UVa, Nova, and OU, and the Irish and Orange are dark horses. Would I say, of the 5 games remaining, that any team has "no chance" against any other team? No chance.

Yep, there are definitely some jinxing attempts afoot. (Which I respect).

Regardless of who the names of the opponents end up being, UNC still has to beat 3 NCAA tournament teams to win it all. With the final opponent being of roughly equal quality.

If you had to bet your life on either:
(A) UNC wins it all, or
(B) UNC doesn't win it all.

There's virtually nobody who would pick (A). It could happen, but it's still against the odds.

[kAzE]

Man, is anybody gonna get a stop in this game? Both teams are hitting everything.

[eddiehaskell]

Johnson feasting on turnaround jumpers...how far out can he go to knock those those down? And UNC is now a dangerous 3 pt team....as if everything wasn't falling into place enough.

[Duke79UNLV77]

Yep, there are definitely some jinxing attempts afoot. (Which I respect).

Regardless of who the names of the opponents end up being, UNC still has to beat 3 NCAA tournament teams to win it all. With the final opponent being of roughly equal quality.

If you had to bet your life on either:
(A) UNC wins it all, or
(B) UNC doesn't win it all.

There's virtually nobody who would pick (A). It could happen, but it's still against the odds.

I'd put it about even money right now, to slightly in UNC's favor.

[SirIronDuke]

Notre Dame is as "Blue Blood" as any program. Just passed UCLA on all-time win list.

And given the famine since ND's last Final Four (against Duke in 78), no other team would travel as well..

So ratings, Blood and $$$ are no reason to eliminate the Irish. Carolina's going to have to earn it

[westwall]

The possibility that the Heels might take this year's NC has understandably put us all on edge.


Yes, as it should, if you recall the recent history of ACC teams in the Tournament. Since about 1980, ACC teams have been "paired" as NCAA champs, with only one exception: the UNCheat's undeserved win in 2005. Since then an ACC win has always resulted in a pairing of two ACC winners in consecutive years. Put another way, when a "first" ACC team wins, another ACC team wins the next year creating a "pair" of ACC NCAA champs. Consider this list:

1982 -- UNC
1983 --- NC State

1992 --- Duke
1993 --- UNC

2001 --- Duke
2002 --- Maryland

2009 --- UNC
2010 --- Duke

2015 --- Duke
2016 --- (UNC, Syr, or ND) ??

Thus, if history prevails, 2016 should be another ACC win. Not comforting, especially with UVA's loss.

[duke4ever19]

Notre Dame is as "Blue Blood" as any program. Just passed UCLA on all-time win list.

And given the famine since ND's last Final Four (against Duke in 78), no other team would travel as well..

So ratings, Blood and $$$ are no reason to eliminate the Irish. Carolina's going to have to earn it

I'm referring strictly to basketball, not their football program.

Also, read in a bit of insincerity in my post, as I don't actually think there's a smoke-filled room of people calling it UNC's way for any reason.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Why the hell does ND keep waiting until just 6-7 seconds left on the shot clock to initiate? I know they want to slow the game but they rushed almost every shot in the last 6 or 7 minutes.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

Yes, as it should, if you recall the recent history of ACC teams in the Tournament. Since about 1980, ACC teams have been "paired" as NCAA champs, with only one exception: the UNCheat's undeserved win in 2005. Since then an ACC win has always resulted in a pairing of two ACC winners in consecutive years. Put another way, when a "first" ACC team wins, another ACC team wins the next year creating a "pair" of ACC NCAA champs. Consider this list:

1982 -- UNC
1983 --- NC State

1992 --- Duke
1993 --- UNC

2001 --- Duke
2002 --- Maryland

2009 --- UNC
2010 --- Duke

2015 --- Duke
2016 --- (UNC, Syr, or ND) ??

Thus, if history prevails, 2016 should be another ACC win. Not comforting, especially with UVA's loss.
You forgot 91 & 92!!!!