MBB: Duke vs. Notre Dame (1/16/16, 2 pm, ESPN2) Pre Game and In Game Thread

[Bob Green]

Duke looks to get back to winning when they host Notre Dame on Saturday afternoon. Discuss the game here.

[CDu]

After the Clemson game, it goes without saying that any non-BC game is losable without Jefferson. But this is a game we should win. Notre Dame is just as short on players, and less talented. They are probably the worst defense in the conference. They can score, but they stop nobody.

Their lineup:

C - Zach Auguste is an All-ACC guy. He is sort of like Devin Thomas (Wake) only less aggressive and less moody. It is another tough assignment for Plumlee. Foul trouble can be a problem for him, and the backups are just low-skilled filler.

PF - Bonzi Colson is a miniature, low-skilled version of Elton Brand. He is a bull. Short (6'5") but really strong and long-armed. What he lacks in skill he tries to make up for with hustle, brute force, and athleticism. Ideally he is a third big coming in for energy, but the Irish are too thin for that this year.

Wings: Beachem and Vasturia can shoot and are not ashamed to do so. Can't leave either open because odds are they won't miss. We are getting to the iron men of the team, as both guys play well over 30 mpg in conference play. They are fairly tall, but not overly explosive athletically. Just good, consistent, system guys.

PG: Jackson is a handful. He is a little like Ulis at UK: small, lightning quick, surprisingly strong. The dude makes it all go offensively. He shoots, drives, dishes, and does all well. He is their most important player, because he is their only playmaker/ballhandler. Vasturia and Farrell will fill in as necessary, but they are just caretakers like Matt Jones in that role.

Bench: nonexistent. I am mostly serious here. They may play four guys (Torres and Burgett up front, Ryan as a SF/PF, and Farrell as a backup guard), but all are just filler. If not for foul trouble or fatigue, Brey would play his starters all 40 minutes. As is, he may play Jackson, Vasturia, and Beachem all 40. Colson and Auguste will likely earn time on the bench with fouls. ND can't afford foul trouble, especially at PG, but really anywhere.

Ultimately this should be a scorefest. We should win, if we can defend even a little and don't settle for (and miss) 3s. They are just SOOO bad on that side of the ball.

[Doria]

Notre Dame is just as short on players, and less talented. They are probably the worst defense in the conference. They can score, but they stop nobody.

Their lineup:

C - Zach Auguste is an All-ACC guy. He is sort of like Devin Thomas (Wake) only less aggressive and less moody. It is another tough assignment for Plumlee. Foul trouble can be a problem for him, and the backups are just low-skilled filler.

PF - Bonzi Colson is a miniature, low-skilled version of Elton Brand. He is a bull. Short (6'5") but really strong and long-armed. What he lacks in skill he tries to make up for with hustle, brute force, and athleticism. Ideally he is a third big coming in for energy, but the Irish are too thin for that this year.

Wings: Beachem and Vasturia can shoot and are not ashamed to do so. Can't leave either open because odds are they won't miss. We are getting to the iron men of the team, as both guys play well over 30 mpg in conference play. They are fairly tall, but not overly explosive athletically. Just good, consistent, system guys.

PG: Jackson is a handful. He is a little like Ulis at UK: small, lightning quick, surprisingly strong. The dude makes it all go offensively. He shoots, drives, dishes, and does all well. He is their most important player, because he is their only playmaker/ballhandler. Vasturia and Farrell will fill in as necessary, but they are just caretakers like Matt Jones in that role. [SNIP]

Ultimately this should be a scorefest. We should win, if we can defend even a little and don't settle for (and miss) 3s. They are just SOOO bad on that side of the ball.

Yeah, I'm sure K will have our team very focused and looking to make a strong statement after our loss. I've only seen a little of Notre Dame's play this season (darn having to work for a living!), but so far very underwhelming. They've mostly struck me as a lite version of last year's team--fewer calories, and less filling.

However, we will undoubtedly get their best shot, and we should recall Colson's hanging 17 points on us off the bench in the ACC tournament. I think that neither Beachem not Vasturia had great games against us last year (I might be forgetting a performance, but I really don't believe so), but Vasturia in particular is plenty capable of lighting it up if it he gets going.

This will be a good test of, and chance to tune up, our defense, in a game that we should be able to win on offense alone; the best result is, of course, that we do not have to win it on offense alone. Should be fun!

[weezie]

...C - Zach Auguste is an All-ACC guy...

Yep. Auguste makes me nervous. I don't want him heating up, plus he's a foul drawing machine.

[CDu]

Yeah, I'm sure K will have our team very focused and looking to make a strong statement after our loss. I've only seen a little of Notre Dame's play this season (darn having to work for a living!), but so far very underwhelming. They've mostly struck me as a lite version of last year's team--fewer calories, and less filling.

However, we will undoubtedly get their best shot, and we should recall Colson's hanging 17 points on us off the bench in the ACC tournament. I think that neither Beachem not Vasturia had great games against us last year (I might be forgetting a performance, but I really don't believe so), but Vasturia in particular is plenty capable of lighting it up if it he gets going.

This will be a good test of, and chance to tune up, our defense, in a game that we should be able to win on offense alone; the best result is, of course, that we do not have to win it on offense alone. Should be fun!

Definitely a light version of their team last year. It is basically the exact same team as last year... except they lost their two best players and replaced them with non-entities. That is of course an oversimplification. Auguste and Jackson and to a lesser degree Colson have stepped into bigger roles. But last year Vasturia and Colson were the bench guys and Connaughton and Grant were All-ACC (Grant might have been All-American) and NBA picks. They took a big step backwards at PF and at SG, and also a big step backwards in role player backups.

Where they were a borderline top-10 team last year, I think this group might not make the tournament.

[dukie’s_daughter]

my brother and I are leaving in a few, going to stand with the Crazies... Game starts in 4 hours... Let's Go DUKE!!

[fuse]

Based on the stats, should be a shootout- ND with the #2 offense and Duke #4.

ND defense is near the bottom (251 out of 366?) which should mean our defense will be the difference in the game.

Let's Go Duke!

[Bob Green]

...our defense will be the difference in the game.

I agree with you but will add staying out of foul trouble is critical so the defense can stay aggressive.

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[Troublemaker]

Kennard starting over Derryck

[riverside6]

Live tempo-based stats for Duke/Notre Dame, starters posted...

http://www.scacchoops.com/notre-dame-at-duke-basketball-live-stats-01162016

[Acymetric]

I wish they would turn the PA volume up, I still have almost 25% of my hearing left after that rendition of Don't Stop Believing...

[Indoor66]

Is anyone else having trouble with ESPN2? I am getting sound but no picture.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Is anyone else confused that we are shooting the lights out and only leading 21-20?

Feels very dangerous.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Obi sighting at 11:51

[dukelifer]

Is anyone else confused that we are shooting the lights out and only leading 21-20?

Feels very dangerous.

Can't stop them

[gumbomoop]

I would like to see the ball in Kennard's hands a little (to a lot) more. Vision, moves, handle, hang, etc. As Capel said, he either shoots it or moves it.

But he missed a free throw, which is unforgivable.

ETA: And he's nearly as smart on D as on O.

[DukieInBrasil]

We have been incapable of getting stops on D. Very good looking on O, as evidenced by 50 1st half points. Good move to get Ingram out with 2 fouls and not risk a stupid, costly foul. Perhaps our inability to stop them is related to our desire to not get in foul trouble.

[kmspeaks]

Was that coach speak or is Brey serious whining about officials? I realize I'm not a completely unbiased observer but I feel this crew has done a pretty good job.

[DukieInBrasil]

Terrible team defense. Everyone playing scared. Then stupid reaching fouls. No offense in 2nd half, 1pt in 3mins. 10 pt swing in this half already

[smvalkyries]

bEEN OUT HERE tIME wARNER la SINCE 9 MINUTES LEFT IN FIRST HALF. nO SOUND EITHER.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

Feels like this is likely to be what all our games feel like til we get Amile back... Moments of greatness, moments of frustration - possibly a coin-flip end.

[gumbomoop]

In Ingram's absence and ND defending Allen well, Kennard has to have the ball. "He either shoots it or moves it."

[fraggler]

Feels like this is likely to be what all our games feel like til we get Amile back... Moments of greatness, moments of frustration - possibly a coin-flip end.

Yep. But this is against the mid-bottom tier ACC teams. I really really hope he comes back soon, and comes back strong.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Offense awesome. Defense atrocious.

1) Jeter is terrible right now. Sure, lots of potential. But terrible right now.

2) Thornton loves missing mid range jumpers.

3) Kennard is one of the smartest offensive players in the league.

4) Ingram is our only 4. Without him, we struggle. We need Amile back. Fast.

[gurufrisbee]

I feel like we're about to lose our third game that we win easily with Amile. Grrrr.

I'm also pretty shocked that you can lower your shoulder into Ingram and knock him to the ground to draw a foul, but if you clober Plumlee enough to stop him from dunking it's a no call. Or that if you throw Kennard around you can get him to be called for travelling. Grrrr.

[flyingdutchdevil]

I feel like we're about to lose our third game that we win easily with Amile. Grrrr.

I'm also pretty shocked that you can lower your shoulder into Ingram and knock him to the ground to draw a foul, but if you clober Plumlee enough to stop him from dunking it's a no call. Or that if you throw Kennard around you can get him to be called for travelling. Grrrr.

Yeah, the officials are the reason we're in foul trouble. Not our terrible D...

[Acymetric]

Grayson 3, crowd goes wild, timeout, time for music to kill the energy.

[gumbomoop]

Whoa, the clock ran an extra 9-10 seconds. Should be about 1:55.

[subzero02]

Calling our defense atrocious is giving our defense too much credit....

[Vincetaylor]

Could miss the tourney