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Kfanarmy
11-24-2015, 09:47 PM
Kinda neat to see these two on the sidelines as Marquette and Arizona State go at it!

CameronBornAndBred
11-24-2015, 10:04 PM
OT...nice.

Clay Feet POF
11-24-2015, 11:14 PM
Marquette 78-73

weezie
11-25-2015, 12:33 AM
Interesting first half. Marquette unis are a bit jarring but the team is cohesive. Bobby's sun devils have plenty of work ahead but they'll make some noise in the Pac.

Olympic Fan
11-25-2015, 12:48 AM
Tough to pick a favorite in this game -- I guess I kind of leaned toward Wojo, since he's in his second season and needs it more than Bobby, who has a bit more leeway in his first season.

Also, while our attention was on Wojo vs. Bobby, Chris Collins' Northwestern team bounced back from its loss to the Cheaters with one of his biggest wins at Northwestern. His Wildcats beat Missouri, 67-72. I know Missouri is not great, but it's still a major conference opponent playing in its home state (although Kansas City has always been more of a home for Kansas than Missouri ... for some reason St. Louis is more of a Missouri town, even though the school is located about halfway between the two major cities in the state).

Anyway, to get back on topic -- it was a very good win for Northwestern and Chris. And a good win for Wojo ... I'm sure Bobby's time will come at Arizona State -- but Herbie left him a mess.

superdave
11-25-2015, 10:09 AM
I found myself cheering for Bobby last night. He has always been one of my favorite players, so I guess that carried over.

What was fun to see is how animated Wojo was out there vs how calm Bobby seemed to be. I am sure the intensity was about the same, but the outward appearance was so different. Hopefully, both they get to play each other again in the NCAAs.

Henderson
11-25-2015, 10:31 AM
That was hard to watch. I didn't want either coach to lose. More so than for other K-tree matchups. Both Bobby and Wojo are fighting for chops, and I want them both to succeed.

Bright side for Bobby Hurley: 247's crystal ball has ASU 90% for Thon Maker next year.

Anyone know if this is home and home?

Billy Dat
11-25-2015, 10:48 AM
What was fun to see is how animated Wojo was out there vs how calm Bobby seemed to be. I am sure the intensity was about the same, but the outward appearance was so different. Hopefully, both they get to play each other again in the NCAAs.

Wojo is completely out of his mind on the sidelines. After his squad got destroyed by Iowa by 30, he reportedly took away all of their nice practice swag and forced them to practice outside when they got to Brooklyn for the game. This game was more important to him, I think. He is in year 2 and has an NBA player on his team in Ellenson. He needs to start putting together some wins and getting this holiday tournament win was big, it's his first as a head coach.

His team is interesting, Ellenson is an NBA stretch 4, Luke Fisher is a 6'11" lean, mobile and athletic center. I like their point guard, Traci Carter.


Anyone know if this is home and home?

This was the Legends Classic, a new-ish Feast Week tournament they play at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn. We won it last year when we beat Temple and Stanford.

captmojo
11-25-2015, 10:48 AM
What was fun to see is how animated Wojo was out there...

And, how protective his assistant Coach Carrawell was. ;)

killerleft
11-25-2015, 10:50 AM
I watched several portions of the game, including the end of regulation time and overtime. Loved seeing two beloved Blue Devils, but the contest had a decidedly intrasquad feel to it. I found myself watching the coaches more than the game. Bobby was the guy in control, Wojo was the rah-rah cheerleader.
Go Duke and Friends!

tbyers11
11-25-2015, 10:51 AM
That was hard to watch. I didn't want either coach to lose. More so than for other K-tree matchups. Both Bobby and Wojo are fighting for chops, and I want them both to succeed.

Bright side for Bobby Hurley: 247's crystal ball has ASU 90% for Thon Maker next year.

Anyone know if this is home and home?

Thon Maker would be a huge get for Bobby.

The game between Marquette and Arizona St was part of the Legends Classic (or as ESPN renamed it the Ben Simmons Invitational). So no home-and-home.

I found myself rooting for Wojo and Marquette. Partly due to my Wisconsin roots and partly due to my age. I was at Duke with Wojo but in HS for Hurley. Having CWell and Tyler on his bench helped sway me as well.

Billy Dat
11-25-2015, 10:57 AM
I watched several portions of the game, including the end of regulation time and overtime. Loved seeing two beloved Blue Devils, but the contest had a decidedly intrasquad feel to it. I found myself watching the coaches more than the game. Bobby was the guy in control, Wojo was the rah-rah cheerleader.
Go Duke and Friends!

Both were furious with the refs - who were terrible! I do find Wojo's antics hilarious. K must have had an electric collar on him at Duke, or tied him to his chair.

jacone21
11-25-2015, 11:07 AM
Both were furious with the refs - who were terrible! I do find Wojo's antics hilarious. K must have had an electric collar on him at Duke, or tied him to his chair.

Yeah Wojo may need to calm down lest he blow out a heart valve or something! Watching him now makes it almost unbelievable how calm and composed he seemed on the Duke bench. How did he contain it?

Ichabod Drain
11-25-2015, 11:09 AM
Yeah Wojo may need to calm down lest he blow out a heart valve or something! Watching him now makes it almost unbelievable how calm and composed he seemed on the Duke bench. How did he contain it?

He definitely lost his cool a few times as a coach at Duke.

Billy Dat
11-25-2015, 11:24 AM
How did he contain it?

K is Don Corleone and Wojo was Luca Brasi.


He definitely lost his cool a few times as a coach at Duke.

It's not about losing his cool. He literally runs up and down the sideline, from the end of the bench to mid scorers table, throughout the entire game. As he does so, he is flailing his arms and clapping and cajoling and stamping his feet. It's not atypical coach behavior, many guys exhibit this style, but it does make one think that he literally had to do everything in his power to stay seated during his long tenure in Durham.

jimsumner
11-25-2015, 12:41 PM
K is Don Corleone and Wojo was Luca Brasi.



It's not about losing his cool. He literally runs up and down the sideline, from the end of the bench to mid scorers table, throughout the entire As he does so, he is flailing his arms and clapping and cajoling and stamping his feet. It's not atypical coach behavior, many guys exhibit this style, but it does make one think that he literally had to do everything in his power to stay seated during his long tenure in Durham.

I understand Wojo got a Fitbit for his birthday and is trying to up his step count.

But seriously. Hurley played for Duke. Wojo played for Duke, coached for Duke and has populated his staff with former Duke players/coaches. So, he gets the tie-breakers.

Henderson
11-25-2015, 12:43 PM
K is Don Corleone and Wojo was Luca Brasi.

Ouch. The two most prominent scenes involving Luca were being a dullard at Connie's wedding and then "sleeping with the fishes."



It's not about losing his cool. He literally runs up and down the sideline, from the end of the bench to mid scorers table, throughout the entire game. As he does so, he is flailing his arms and clapping and cajoling and stamping his feet. It's not atypical coach behavior, many guys exhibit this style, but it does make one think that he literally had to do everything in his power to stay seated during his long tenure in Durham.

Maybe he's filming an exercise video.

Olympic Fan
11-25-2015, 01:01 PM
Wojo's restrained behavior on the Duke bench was all about discipline.

Officials will put up with a lot from head coaches, but almost any kind of visible demonstration by an assistant coach is an automatic T. Ask Jim Larranaga -- he earned a T as Terry Holland's assistant in the 1983 ACC Tournament title game -- a T that cost Virginia the title.

No matter how emotional Wojo got as a Duke assistant, he knew he had to restrain himself. Now, as a head coach, he can push the boundary as far as the refs let him.

BTW: I think Luca Brasi is a poor comparison. Wojo is Sonny Corleone -- fairly quiet and in the background when his father was on hand, but a wild man when he took over the family.

I guess that makes K Don Corleone. (and Bobby becomes Michael -- K didn't bring him into the family business at first ... and Mike Brey becomes Tom Hagen -- an adopted son ... not sure who I'd call Fredo ... how about Nate James as Luca Brasi -- the silent killer?)

Billy Dat
11-25-2015, 01:03 PM
Ouch. The two most prominent scenes involving Luca were being a dullard at Connie's wedding and then "sleeping with the fishes."

True, I lean on the book (which is awesome and a must read for fans of the films) for the comparison. jacone21 asked how Wojo contained himself while in Durham based on his current sideline behavior. In the Godfather book *SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE 5 PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILMS*, the full story of Luca Brasi is told. He was a wild animal of a man, running the back alleys of Manhattan whoring, stealing, intimidating and generally creating mayhem. In the Don's words, "A man who runs about asking to be killed". The Don got leverage on him and saw in his untamed fury a force that could be directed and harnessed. He cultivated him as a trusted muscle man/enforcer/assasin - the Don basically being the only man who could control him.

K has often said that he'd want Wojo in a foxhole because he knows he'd take a bullet for him. Like the Don and Luca, K is the only one who could contain Wojo.

devildeac
11-25-2015, 01:13 PM
True, I lean on the book (which is awesome and a must read for fans of the films) for the comparison. jacone21 asked how Wojo contained himself while in Durham based on his current sideline behavior. In the Godfather book *SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE 5 PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILMS*, the full story of Luca Brasi is told. He was a wild animal of a man, running the back alleys of Manhattan whoring, stealing, intimidating and generally creating mayhem. In the Don's words, "A man who runs about asking to be killed". The Don got leverage on him and saw in his untamed fury a force that could be directed and harnessed. He cultivated him as a trusted muscle man/enforcer/assasin - the Don basically being the only man who could control him.

K has often said that he'd want Wojo in a foxhole because he knows he'd take a bullet for him. Like the Don and Luca, K is the only one who could contain Wojo.

Seems apt. After all, no one else could control Patrick Davidson...

-jk
11-25-2015, 02:05 PM
There was a time K was more than a little animated on the sidelines. I seem to recall he led the ACC in Ts a few seasons...

-jk

OldPhiKap
11-25-2015, 03:49 PM
There was a time K was more than a little animated on the sidelines. I seem to recall he led the ACC in Ts a few seasons...

-jk

And yelled "F U" at Dean in the 1989 ACCT Championship game (Omni, Atlanta) when Dean barked at K for yelling at a heel player for a cheap foul.

I seem to remember a lot of T's in the 1980's.

captmojo
11-27-2015, 10:09 AM
How did he contain it?

C-well kept the wolves occupied for their attention to be diverted.

One of the duties of an effective assistant.

Olympic Fan
11-27-2015, 11:42 AM
K was talking about watching the Wojo-Hurley matchup. He said, "I was hoping for a tie ... and I got it. Then they came up with this overtime thing."

He also talked about how lucky he was to have Hurley and Wojo -- two of the best on-the-ball defenders ever in college basketball -- for eight straight years.

NSDukeFan
11-27-2015, 12:11 PM
K was talking about watching the Wojo-Hurley matchup. He said, "I was hoping for a tie ... and I got it. Then they came up with this overtime thing."

He also talked about how lucky he was to have Hurley and Wojo -- two of the best on-the-ball defenders ever in college basketball -- for eight straight years.

There weren't many years separation between Amaker and Hurley either.

Edouble
11-27-2015, 06:46 PM
Wojo's restrained behavior on the Duke bench was all about discipline.

Officials will put up with a lot from head coaches, but almost any kind of visible demonstration by an assistant coach is an automatic T. Ask Jim Larranaga -- he earned a T as Terry Holland's assistant in the 1983 ACC Tournament title game -- a T that cost Virginia the title.

No matter how emotional Wojo got as a Duke assistant, he knew he had to restrain himself. Now, as a head coach, he can push the boundary as far as the refs let him.

BTW: I think Luca Brasi is a poor comparison. Wojo is Sonny Corleone -- fairly quiet and in the background when his father was on hand, but a wild man when he took over the family.

I guess that makes K Don Corleone. (and Bobby becomes Michael -- K didn't bring him into the family business at first ... and Mike Brey becomes Tom Hagen -- an adopted son ... not sure who I'd call Fredo ... how about Nate James as Luca Brasi -- the silent killer?)

Pete Gaudet

DukieTiger
11-28-2015, 08:17 AM
There weren't many years separation between Amaker and Hurley either.

And Battier only overlapped Wojo by a year. Different kind of defender, but an amazing defensive legacy over a decade+. (Sigh...)