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theAlaskanBear
08-17-2015, 11:11 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/bls1969/status/633038293890895873

I imagine it's a training camp invite - non guaranteed. Caves roster will be full if they resign Thompson and smith iirc.

CDu
08-17-2015, 11:23 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/bls1969/status/633038293890895873

Great news if true, but it seems unlikely to be a full contract. The Cavs currently have 13 players (assuming they resign JR Smith and Tristan Thompson) on the roster. They have 3 point guards (Irving, Dellavedova, and Mo Williams). Seems unlikely that they'd add a 4th PG given their current salary commitments.

Seems more likely that (if anything) it is a non-guaranteed, training camp contract while Irving is out.

But would be great news for him if it is a real contract.

Edit: apparently during the time I took to respond, AlaskanBear came to the same conclusion I did. So, I agree. :)

Pghdukie
08-17-2015, 01:59 PM
Unless signing Cook may be for salary cap issues. Will Cavs cut a higher priced player.

CDu
08-17-2015, 02:05 PM
Unless signing Cook may be for salary cap issues. Will Cavs cut a higher priced player.

They could only get salary relief by cutting a player under contract, unless the contract is non-guaranteed. But I think all of the 13 players under contract are guaranteed, so there is no salary relief to be had.

Henderson
08-18-2015, 06:46 PM
They could only get salary relief by cutting a player under contract, unless the contract is non-guaranteed. But I think all of the 13 players under contract are guaranteed, so there is no salary relief to be had.

My understanding as well.

There are several sites that track NBA contracts team-by-team. Here's one: http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

awhom111
08-18-2015, 09:09 PM
It has been interesting following this on social media. Quinn was on the Basketball Insiders podcast (which I have not listened to but is apparently very good) and their writers insist that they heard from him that the agreement has not been finalized because he has a couple of different options to choose from at this point. Picking a training camp deal is pretty tough.

With the Cavs, not only do they have roster spot scarcity, but they have such a big tax bill that they might not want to spend any money unless they know that they need to do so. On the other hand, if they do need a player like Quinn, undrafted rookies are one of the more efficient ways of filling the spot. Quinn has also shown that he is a team-first guy who can impact the team positively without being the primary ballhandler, which has to look good to some NBA teams. If you plan for the worst case scenario, the Cavs are certainly one of the teams with an established D League system that could be a good landing spot for up to four players cut from their training camp. Last year Andre was a longshot and made it to opening day and beyond so lets make it Quinn's turn this year!

zoroaster
08-18-2015, 09:59 PM
It has been interesting following this on social media. Quinn was on the Basketball Insiders podcast (which I have not listened to but is apparently very good) and their writers insist that they heard from him that the agreement has not been finalized because he has a couple of different options to choose from at this point. Picking a training camp deal is pretty tough.

Thanks for mentioning that podcast with Quinn -- good find. I haven't listened all the way through yet but it seems the full 42 minutes is given over to the interview with Quinn. Here's the link for those who are interested:

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/podcast-quinn-cook-talks-duke-oak-hill-nba-rookies/

duke blue brewcrew
08-19-2015, 09:06 AM
Unless signing Cook may be for salary cap issues. Will Cavs cut a higher priced player.

What is everyone's thoughts on Cook beating out one game wonder, Delledova? Can Cook eat Delli's lunch on the court?

JasonEvans
08-19-2015, 09:20 AM
What is everyone's thoughts on Cook beating out one game wonder, Delledova? Can Cook eat Delli's lunch on the court?

Dellavadova's $1.2 million contract is guaranteed and he has shown he can be an effective NBA player in pressure-packed playoff games. I suspect that even if Cook outplays him in practices (which won't be easy, Delly is not a bad player at all) the Cavs would probably keep Delly anyway. The gap between them will have to be very large.

The reality is that Cleveland will be a tough nut to crack for Cook. But, if he plays well in camp they will certainly keep an eye on him and have him in mind should the reckless Delly or the 32-year old Mo Williams or injury-prone Kyrie Irving get hurt at some point. Barring an injury to one of the Cavs guards currently under contract, I think Cook will start the season in the D-League.

-Jason "some NBA teams carry extra guys beyond the active roster (you can have 15 guys under contract but only 13 active) but Cleveland won't do that because they take a big cap hit for every extra dollar they spend" Evans

CDu
08-19-2015, 10:14 AM
What is everyone's thoughts on Cook beating out one game wonder, Delledova? Can Cook eat Delli's lunch on the court?

As I said above and Jason Evans said below, the problem for Cook is that Cleveland has a ton of guaranteed contracts. They are paying Dellavedova one way or the other. And they are paying 12 other players as well, regardless of whether or not they make the team. So cutting these guys makes no financial sense for the Cavs.

In addition, Cleveland is WAY over the luxury tax line. So any additional salary would cost them extra in tax payments.

For Cook to make the Cavs, he'd have to REALLY shine. He probably can't just play as good or a little better than Dellavedova - he has to play so clearly better so as to warrant the additional money. It's just hard to see a scenario where Cleveland decides to go even further into the tax for a 4th PG.

It is sounding more and more like this is a non-guaranteed, training camp contract offer. I'd have to think that, if Cook has other similar offers elsewhere, that would be a better fit.

JasonEvans
08-19-2015, 11:18 AM
It is sounding more and more like this is a non-guaranteed, training camp contract offer. I'd have to think that, if Cook has other similar offers elsewhere, that would be a better fit.

It sure sounds, from the reports, like this is a done deal, not something where Cook might go elsewhere for training camp. In terms of fit, I agree that Cleveland is not the best place to try to make a roster because they have so much depth at the PG and so many guaranteed contracts, but it is a good chance for Cook to show the Cavs what he is made of and perhaps get in good with the team to be a D-League call-up when/if injuries impact the Cavs roster.

I've done a bit of digging, to try to find out exactly what a non-guaranteed player typically makes during a NBA training camp in terms of salary. Though I haven't found anything concrete, I found a couple references to it being a decent sum of money. In many cases, a player can make more for being in training camp then he would make during an entire D-League season (D-League salaries are just $20-$25k, though the team generally pays you an additional stipend for meals and housing).

One last thing to point out, though almost everyone expects JR Smith to re-sign with the Cavs, that is not a done deal. Smith opted out of a deal that would have paid him $6.4 mil for this coming season and the Cavs are reportedly offering him far less than that in a 1-year deal. Smith had hoped he would get other offers and be able to leverage them against each other to make more than $6.4 mil. It now looks like he won't come close to that amount. If someone else steps up and makes Smith an offer or if he decides to play overseas (one cannot rule out a myriad of crazy options when thinking about what JR Smith will do), that would open up a backcourt spot on the Cavs. We will see...

-Jason "there is also talk that Jamal Crawford would not mind being dealt from the Clips to the Cavs if the JR Smith talks go south, though I am not sure what the Cavs would send back for Crawford" Evans

Steven43
08-19-2015, 11:20 AM
Dellavadova's $1.2 million contract is guaranteed and he has shown he can be an effective NBA player in pressure-packed playoff games. I suspect that even if Cook outplays him in practices (which won't be easy, Delly is not a bad player at all) the Cavs would probably keep Delly anyway. The gap between them will have to be very large.

The reality is that Cleveland will be a tough nut to crack for Cook. But, if he plays well in camp they will certainly keep an eye on him and have him in mind should the reckless Delly or the 32-year old Mo Williams or injury-prone Kyrie Irving get hurt at some point. Barring an injury to one of the Cavs guards currently under contract, I think Cook will start the season in the D-League.

-Jason "some NBA teams carry extra guys beyond the active roster (you can have 15 guys under contract but only 13 active) but Cleveland won't do that because they take a big cap hit for every extra dollar they spend" Evans
I think Delladova is one of the worst players in the league. For one thing, he is a cheap-shot artist and a hack. He's slow, can't make shots when guarded (and is wildly inconsistent even when left alone), is not a good passer, has below average handles, and below average athleticism. If Quinn can't beat this guy out it will only be because Cleveland likes him playing the role of goon.

JasonEvans
08-19-2015, 11:41 AM
I think Delladova is one of the worst players in the league. For one thing, he is a cheap-shot artist and a hack. He's slow, can't make shots when guarded (and is wildly inconsistent even when left alone), is not a good passer, has below average handles, and below average athleticism. If Quinn can't beat this guy out it will only be because Cleveland likes him playing the role of goon.

While your "eye test" says he is one of the worst in the NBA, there is no statistical measure that bears that out. His .67 win shares/48 minutes placed him 10th on the Cavs, ahead of fellow backcourt players Shumpert, Waiters, Mike Miller, and Joe Harris. In fact, the .67 ws/48 ranked him 291st out of 492 players in the NBA last season. That makes him pretty close to being an average NBA player.

It may also be worth noting that win shares and other stats do not really account for toughness/grit/tenacity, which are traits Dellavedova has in spades (in addition to being chippy, which I do not like). If I had to choose whether to have a tough guy or one who shies away from conflict, I'm probably picking the tough dude every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Look, I'm no great fan of Delly and I'm not saying that win shares/48 are the end all, be all of ways to measure the quality of a player**, but the notion that he is the worst player in the NBA seem more than a little overblown in this case.

-Jason "**- among players who played at least 500 minutes, the ws/48 leaders last season were (in order) Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Chris Paul, James Harden, Kevin Durant, and Russell Westbrook... it might be a decent stat" Evans

CDu
08-19-2015, 01:29 PM
It sure sounds, from the reports, like this is a done deal, not something where Cook might go elsewhere for training camp. In terms of fit, I agree that Cleveland is not the best place to try to make a roster because they have so much depth at the PG and so many guaranteed contracts, but it is a good chance for Cook to show the Cavs what he is made of and perhaps get in good with the team to be a D-League call-up when/if injuries impact the Cavs roster.

One last thing to point out, though almost everyone expects JR Smith to re-sign with the Cavs, that is not a done deal. Smith opted out of a deal that would have paid him $6.4 mil for this coming season and the Cavs are reportedly offering him far less than that in a 1-year deal. Smith had hoped he would get other offers and be able to leverage them against each other to make more than $6.4 mil. It now looks like he won't come close to that amount. If someone else steps up and makes Smith an offer or if he decides to play overseas (one cannot rule out a myriad of crazy options when thinking about what JR Smith will do), that would open up a backcourt spot on the Cavs. We will see...

I can't imagine that Smith's situation has much relation to Cook's chances. He's a PG, whereas Smith is a SG. The Cavs signed Mo Williams to be the backup (or third) PG behind Irving and Dellavedova. I can't see them wanting a 4th PG either way. If the Cavs don't re-sign Smith, I'm sure they'll bring in an NBA veteran SG (for the vet minimum) instead. But I suspect they'll re-sign Smith. This seems like a "we need a PG to participate in training camp practices while Irving is recovering" kind of deal.

Still, you're right, it can't hurt to impress in the event of a later injury. And maybe he didn't get any other training camp contract offers.

wilson
08-19-2015, 01:45 PM
...below average athleticism...But would you say his level of athleticism is alarmingly low?

rsvman
08-19-2015, 04:44 PM
Cook a Cleveland Cav?

I think I would probably start by marinating it in a little olive oil, orange juice, and soy sauce with some minced garlic, minced ginger, and maybe some thinly sliced scallions and a dash of sesame oil. After that I would probably put the Cav on a hot skillet to get a good sear. Then, into a 375 degree oven for about 30 minutes or until the desired level of doneness.


I would probably serve the cooked Cav over sticky rice and with a side of edamame or steamed broccoli. :cool:


I mean, that's just one way to cook a Cav. Feel free to add your own recipes.

devildeac
08-19-2015, 05:00 PM
Cook a Cleveland Cav?

I think I would probably start by marinating it in a little olive oil, orange juice, and soy sauce with some minced garlic, minced ginger, and maybe some thinly sliced scallions and a dash of sesame oil. After that I would probably put the Cav on a hot skillet to get a good sear. Then, into a 375 degree oven for about 30 minutes or until the desired level of doneness.


I would probably serve the cooked Cav over sticky rice and with a side of edamame or steamed broccoli. :cool:


I mean, that's just one way to cook a Cav. Feel free to add your own recipes.

Might not taste very good with any Curry in it however:o.

awhom111
08-19-2015, 09:43 PM
It sure sounds, from the reports, like this is a done deal, not something where Cook might go elsewhere for training camp. In terms of fit, I agree that Cleveland is not the best place to try to make a roster because they have so much depth at the PG and so many guaranteed contracts, but it is a good chance for Cook to show the Cavs what he is made of and perhaps get in good with the team to be a D-League call-up when/if injuries impact the Cavs roster.

I've done a bit of digging, to try to find out exactly what a non-guaranteed player typically makes during a NBA training camp in terms of salary. Though I haven't found anything concrete, I found a couple references to it being a decent sum of money. In many cases, a player can make more for being in training camp then he would make during an entire D-League season (D-League salaries are just $20-$25k, though the team generally pays you an additional stipend for meals and housing).

One last thing to point out, though almost everyone expects JR Smith to re-sign with the Cavs, that is not a done deal. Smith opted out of a deal that would have paid him $6.4 mil for this coming season and the Cavs are reportedly offering him far less than that in a 1-year deal. Smith had hoped he would get other offers and be able to leverage them against each other to make more than $6.4 mil. It now looks like he won't come close to that amount. If someone else steps up and makes Smith an offer or if he decides to play overseas (one cannot rule out a myriad of crazy options when thinking about what JR Smith will do), that would open up a backcourt spot on the Cavs. We will see...

-Jason "there is also talk that Jamal Crawford would not mind being dealt from the Clips to the Cavs if the JR Smith talks go south, though I am not sure what the Cavs would send back for Crawford" Evans

0, 25k, and 50k are the general partial guarantees built into deals for training camp invites, but of course it depends heavily on demand for the player (Seth reportedly got 150k last summer). In fact Dallas is signing players to fully or nearly fully guaranteed deals this summer to try to make sure they get the guys they want into camp. Cleveland is probably operating on a tighter budget, but if Quinn has multiple offers, he will probably end up getting more than 0, which always helps. It's a tough decision for these guys, especially rookies who do not know whether they should stretch out that NBA dream or head overseas.

mattman91
08-19-2015, 09:53 PM
Might not taste very good with any Curry in it however:o.

Would probably pair well with an IPA...

devildeac
08-20-2015, 05:37 AM
Would probably pair well with an IPA...

A very Pernicious and Wicked thought...


;)

superdave
08-25-2015, 01:20 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13490483/cleveland-cavaliers-sign-center-sasha-kaun

This probably eats up the last of the Cavs cap space. What is perhaps more interesting is that Cleveland is going big with this last roster spot. Kaun probably wont play a whole lot.

Also, it looks like Tristan Thompson turned down a 5 year deal for $80 million and is looking for $90 million total.

I have not see anything on where Quinn will be this fall during training camp.

awhom111
08-25-2015, 08:46 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13490483/cleveland-cavaliers-sign-center-sasha-kaun

This probably eats up the last of the Cavs cap space. What is perhaps more interesting is that Cleveland is going big with this last roster spot. Kaun probably wont play a whole lot.

Also, it looks like Tristan Thompson turned down a 5 year deal for $80 million and is looking for $90 million total.

I have not see anything on where Quinn will be this fall during training camp.

The mechanics for these training camp deals can be complicated, especially if the player has multiple options. There really are not that many final roster spots remaining so a training camp fight for players that start in roster spots 16-20 is always intense. If you know that making a team is a longshot, it can be smart to pick an organization based on their reputation and the possible D League situation.

Irving/Williams/Dellavedova
Shumpert/Smith/Harris
James/Jones/Jefferson
Love/Thompson
Mozgov/Varejao/Kaun

That's a pretty crowded roster with Pointer possibly being signed as well. It would not be out of the question to stash Pointer somewhere for a year to hope that he develops more and to leave open a roster spot for flexibility.

Indigo Wolf
08-25-2015, 11:24 PM
They are just winging it because they already have the Big 3 locked up for atleast another year. They are just waiting on the next cap increase that is bound to happen.

Cavs might actually win it all next year if Love and Irving stay relatively healthy. Although I'm starting to see a bit of a slow down on Lebron's body.

awhom111
08-31-2015, 11:21 PM
Good news for Quinn if he joins the Cavaliers training camp. The latest rumors have them stashing second round pick Sir'Dominic Pointer in the D League with the Canton Charge. While they could sign him later, it means that they intend to a roster spot open in training camp. While they may want to leave it open for flexibility, it does seem to open the door for a player coming in on an unguaranteed deal lasting through the start of the season. As Andre Dawkins can attest, the NBA minimum from opening day to getting cut at the guarantee deadline still pays you a decent amount of money.

Furniture
09-08-2015, 08:19 PM
Laura Keeley reports that Quinn told her that he is off to Cleveland tomorrow.

http://fansided.com/2015/09/08/duke-pg-quinn-cook-will-sign-cavaliers-training-camp/

Newton_14
09-08-2015, 10:03 PM
Good news for Quinn if he joins the Cavaliers training camp. The latest rumors have them stashing second round pick Sir'Dominic Pointer in the D League with the Canton Charge. While they could sign him later, it means that they intend to a roster spot open in training camp. While they may want to leave it open for flexibility, it does seem to open the door for a player coming in on an unguaranteed deal lasting through the start of the season. As Andre Dawkins can attest, the NBA minimum from opening day to getting cut at the guarantee deadline still pays you a decent amount of money.


Laura Keeley reports that Quinn told her that he is off to Cleveland tomorrow.

http://fansided.com/2015/09/08/duke-pg-quinn-cook-will-sign-cavaliers-training-camp/

Great read on Seth Curry on the Front Page today, and I could see a similar path upcoming for Quinn, including a similar timeline. (minus of course the shadow of a NBA MVP brother). I think Quinn has NBA talent and can stick at some point. Just might not be this season or next. I think he has shown us he is more than willing to put in the work to make it happen though.

Pulling hard for him!

Furniture
09-28-2015, 08:08 PM
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NashvilleDevil
09-28-2015, 08:20 PM
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Yes it is! Good luck to Quinn and get healthy soon Kyrie.

jimsumner
09-28-2015, 10:11 PM
Irving is one class ahead of Cook yet Irving seems like an NBA vet, Cook a callow youngster.

flyingdutchdevil
09-29-2015, 09:41 AM
Yes it is! Good luck to Quinn and get healthy soon Kyrie.

This makes me happy. Go Quinn!

Also, Quinn is a pretty short dude. He's a legitimate 2 inches shorter than Kyrie, who is a legit 6'3". Pretty awesome to win a natty with a tiny backcourt.

JetpackJesus
09-29-2015, 02:43 PM
Shumpert is out at least 3 months after suffering a wrist injury and undergoing surgery. (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13771685/iman-shumpert-cleveland-cavaliers-wrist-surgery)

I'm not a big NBA follower, and definitely not during the offseason, so I figured I'd ask some of the more knowledgeable NBA fans on here: Does this injury impact the roster space and help Cook's chances at making the team?

I'm pretty sure Cook is too small to be a viable NBA SG (see the pick with Kyrie above), but right now it looks like the only backcourt players that will definitely be available on opening night are: PG - Mo Williams and Delly; SG - JR Smith and Joe Thomas. I would think the Cavs would want to begin the year with a few more bodies than that. Obviously this scenario changes if Kyrie is able to go to start the season (hopefully he is).

Are the Cavs happy with Joe Thomas, who seems to be the #2 SG on their depth chart with this injury? Or will the Cavs look elsewhere on the roster for a backup to JR Smith? Maybe Delly moves over to the SG rotation and Cook can fill in as the PG behind Mo Williams? Do the Cavs play Jefferson at the SG spot and keep their PG rotation as is?

For the sake of this question, I'm assuming Cook performs well enough to earn a roster spot, but space limitations would otherwise precluded his making the team.

SupaDave
09-29-2015, 04:06 PM
Shumpert is out at least 3 months after suffering a wrist injury and undergoing surgery. (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13771685/iman-shumpert-cleveland-cavaliers-wrist-surgery)

I'm not a big NBA follower, and definitely not during the offseason, so I figured I'd ask some of the more knowledgeable NBA fans on here: Does this injury impact the roster space and help Cook's chances at making the team?

I'm pretty sure Cook is too small to be a viable NBA SG (see the pick with Kyrie above), but right now it looks like the only backcourt players that will definitely be available on opening night are: PG - Mo Williams and Delly; SG - JR Smith and Joe Thomas. I would think the Cavs would want to begin the year with a few more bodies than that. Obviously this scenario changes if Kyrie is able to go to start the season (hopefully he is).

Are the Cavs happy with Joe Thomas, who seems to be the #2 SG on their depth chart with this injury? Or will the Cavs look elsewhere on the roster for a backup to JR Smith? Maybe Delly moves over to the SG rotation and Cook can fill in as the PG behind Mo Williams? Do the Cavs play Jefferson at the SG spot and keep their PG rotation as is?

For the sake of this question, I'm assuming Cook performs well enough to earn a roster spot, but space limitations would otherwise precluded his making the team.

Cook has signed a contract. He's on the team.

CDu
09-29-2015, 04:39 PM
Cook has signed a contract. He's on the team.

Pretty sure he signed a non-guaranteed training camp contract. That is not the same thing as a regular contract. The Cavs are under no obligation to keep him around for all or any of the season. So the question seems legitimate. Could the injury push the Cavs to sign Cook to their 15-man roster? And do they even have a spot open on the 15-man roster?

Per the Cavs' website, they have 15 names on their roster currently, none naned Cook. One of those is SG Pointer, who they may be stashing overseas. So there might be a spot available on the 15-man roster. But my suspicion is that Cook is just a training camp body. Teams regularly bring in extra players to camp on non-guaranteed deals.

JetpackJesus
09-29-2015, 06:07 PM
Pretty sure he signed a non-guaranteed training camp contract. That is not the same thing as a regular contract. The Cavs are under no obligation to keep him around for all or any of the season. So the question seems legitimate. Could the injury push the Cavs to sign Cook to their 15-man roster? And do they even have a spot open on the 15-man roster?

Per the Cavs' website, they have 15 names on their roster currently, none naned Cook. One of those is SG Pointer, who they may be stashing overseas. So there might be a spot available on the 15-man roster. But my suspicion is that Cook is just a training camp body. Teams regularly bring in extra players to camp on non-guaranteed deals.

Yes. This has been my understanding all along thanks, in large part, to this very thread.

tbyers11
09-29-2015, 07:03 PM
Pretty sure he signed a non-guaranteed training camp contract. That is not the same thing as a regular contract. The Cavs are under no obligation to keep him around for all or any of the season. So the question seems legitimate. Could the injury push the Cavs to sign Cook to their 15-man roster? And do they even have a spot open on the 15-man roster?

Per the Cavs' website, they have 15 names on their roster currently, none naned Cook. One of those is SG Pointer, who they may be stashing overseas. So there might be a spot available on the 15-man roster. But my suspicion is that Cook is just a training camp body. Teams regularly bring in extra players to camp on non-guaranteed deals.

Agreed on the non-guaranteed contract for Quinn. Here is the training camp roster (https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/648557280825360384) for the Cavs. Not sure of the contract status of all the players on it but agree that Quinn has a difficult road to make the team. However, I'm pretty sure that Pointer is not at camp and is going direct to the D-League. He won't be on the Cavs roster at the start of the season.

CDu
09-29-2015, 08:19 PM
Agreed on the non-guaranteed contract for Quinn. Here is the training camp roster (https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/648557280825360384) for the Cavs. Not sure of the contract status of all the players on it but agree that Quinn has a difficult road to make the team. However, I'm pretty sure that Pointer is not at camp and is going direct to the D-League. He won't be on the Cavs roster at the start of the season.

Yeah, I remember reading somewhere (probably this thread) that Pointer wasn't going to sign with the Cavs this year. If so, that would leave 1 roster spot (the other 14 are filled currently with guaranteed contracts): Irving, Williams, Dellavedova, Shumpert, Smith, Harris, Jones, Jefferson, James, Thompson, Kaun, Varejao, Love, and Mozgov.

So it's possible that they add another PG until Irving is back. It's possible that it will be Smith. But given James' skill set and the availability of Williams and Dellavedova, they may decide to bring in a SG to fill the gap. Or they may decide that Smith and Harris and Jones and Jefferson can fill that void, and save the money.

awhom111
09-29-2015, 09:01 PM
Yeah, I remember reading somewhere (probably this thread) that Pointer wasn't going to sign with the Cavs this year. If so, that would leave 1 roster spot (the other 14 are filled currently with guaranteed contracts): Irving, Williams, Dellavedova, Shumpert, Smith, Harris, Jones, Jefferson, James, Thompson, Kaun, Varejao, Love, and Mozgov.

So it's possible that they add another PG until Irving is back. It's possible that it will be Smith. But given James' skill set and the availability of Williams and Dellavedova, they may decide to bring in a SG to fill the gap. Or they may decide that Smith and Harris and Jones and Jefferson can fill that void, and save the money.

I think I mentioned the Pointer thing somewhere upthread. He is one of several second round picks who seem set to be domestic draft and stashed in the D League (including two Kentucky guys, which kind of lessens the greatest of them leaving early to get drafted).

The salary info sources that I trust (Sham Sports) are no longer in the game, but Basketball Insiders has all 7 of their training camp invites as fully unguaranteed. I would have hoped that Quinn could have secured at least a small partial guarantee to offset a possible D League salary.

Presumably once Thompson shows up, one of their frontcourt guys will be let go (you can have 20 players signed at this time and the Cavaliers have 20 not including Thompson since he is not officially signed yet).

The other guard that they have invited is Jared Cunningham. He may have the advantage of experience, but has not really done anything in his time in the NBA. He is bigger than Quinn and can play at shooting guard in the NBA although his ability at the point guard is still a work in progress.

moonpie23
10-20-2015, 09:27 AM
any new word on Quinn?

Furniture
10-20-2015, 04:11 PM
Just my word.
I have been watching the Cavs pre season games and he has been getting fewer and fewer mins. Last night he had zero minutes.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
10-20-2015, 04:20 PM
Just my word.
I have been watching the Cavs pre season games and he has been getting fewer and fewer mins. Last night he had zero minutes.

Good news then! That trend is over!

Furniture
10-20-2015, 04:25 PM
Good news then! That trend is over!

Furniture scratching head.......eek?

CDu
10-20-2015, 04:35 PM
any new word on Quinn?

Nothing official. But if the Cavs do decide to carry an extra guard, it looks like it will be Cunningham.

Furniture
10-20-2015, 04:57 PM
Nothing official. But if the Cavs do decide to carry an extra guard, it looks like it will be Cunningham.

I would probably agree. He looks really good too. Lots of minutes and tv interview time too.

awhom111
10-20-2015, 08:44 PM
The Cavaliers have less than a week to go from 20 to 15 and with the exhibition games over, one would think that they would make some decisions soon. There does not seem to be any reason to get rid of any of the 13 with guaranteed contracts. As mentioned, Cunningham is likely to get spot 14 to start the season. They just signed Jack Cooley after the Jazz waived him so one would think that they have a plan to have him in spot 15 in the absence of Tristan Thompson. On the other hand, with LeBron having the ability to play the 4 some of the time and with 5 fairly established bigs on the roster, it would not surprise me to see them go with a guard or wing to start the season. Since Love appears to at least be able to play to start the season, they might rather have Cunningham and another player who can fill in for Kyrie and Shumpert until they are healthy.

Quinn has the side effect of being as cheap as possible if they get to the point where they are literally pinching luxury tax pennies. The most likely outcome is that they waive Quinn and ask him to join Canton, since they do not have to do anything special to get his D League rights. It is not optimal, but may give him a better chance to show his stuff.

Furniture
10-20-2015, 09:48 PM
The Cavaliers have less than a week to go from 20 to 15 and with the exhibition games over, one would think that they would make some decisions soon. There does not seem to be any reason to get rid of any of the 13 with guaranteed contracts. As mentioned, Cunningham is likely to get spot 14 to start the season. They just signed Jack Cooley after the Jazz waived him so one would think that they have a plan to have him in spot 15 in the absence of Tristan Thompson. On the other hand, with LeBron having the ability to play the 4 some of the time and with 5 fairly established bigs on the roster, it would not surprise me to see them go with a guard or wing to start the season. Since Love appears to at least be able to play to start the season, they might rather have Cunningham and another player who can fill in for Kyrie and Shumpert until they are healthy.

Quinn has the side effect of being as cheap as possible if they get to the point where they are literally pinching luxury tax pennies. The most likely outcome is that they waive Quinn and ask him to join Canton, since they do not have to do anything special to get his D League rights. It is not optimal, but may give him a better chance to show his stuff.

I hope that you are correct. In the first few games of pre season I was impressed with the way Quinn seemed to be interacting with the team and the Cavs head coach. The last few games I have not seen the latter so much and my feeling is that his body language is different. Maybe I am wrong.
What happened to Tristian Thompson?

Kedsy
10-20-2015, 10:42 PM
What happened to Tristian Thompson?

He's holding out for a max contract.

CDu
10-21-2015, 08:23 AM
I hope that you are correct. In the first few games of pre season I was impressed with the way Quinn seemed to be interacting with the team and the Cavs head coach. The last few games I have not seen the latter so much and my feeling is that his body language is different. Maybe I am wrong.
What happened to Tristian Thompson?

As Kedsy said, he's in a holdout right now. He'll eventually sign a contract though. It's just a matter of when and for how much.

Edouble
10-21-2015, 11:52 AM
I hope that you are correct. In the first few games of pre season I was impressed with the way Quinn seemed to be interacting with the team and the Cavs head coach. The last few games I have not seen the latter so much and my feeling is that his body language is different. Maybe I am wrong.
What happened to Tristian Thompson?

That is awesome that Quinn and LeBron get along so well.

JetpackJesus
10-21-2015, 03:22 PM
I saw this story (http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/10/cleveland_cavaliers_to_carry_2.html) from the Plain Dealer last week. They're reporting that Cavs will only fill 14 of their 15 roster spots when the season opens. As has been mentioned above, the article says Cunningham is by far the leader to fill that 14th roster spot.

Hopefully Cook gets another shot in the not to distant future.

CDu
10-21-2015, 04:44 PM
I saw this story (http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2015/10/cleveland_cavaliers_to_carry_2.html) from the Plain Dealer last week. They're reporting that Cavs will only fill 14 of their 15 roster spots when the season opens. As has been mentioned above, the article says Cunningham is by far the leader to fill that 14th roster spot.

Hopefully Cook gets another shot in the not to distant future.

Yeah, it is not typical for teams over the tax line to carry 15 players. I would guess that even Cunningham will only get a partially guaranteed deal so that they can cut him midseason once Shumpert and Irving return.

Furniture
10-21-2015, 07:05 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13942794/cleveland-cavaliers-tristan-thompson-agree-5-year-82-million-deal

82MUSD...

awhom111
10-21-2015, 08:44 PM
Yeah, it is not typical for teams over the tax line to carry 15 players. I would guess that even Cunningham will only get a partially guaranteed deal so that they can cut him midseason once Shumpert and Irving return.

Actually the terms of Cunningham's and all of the contracts are already determined. As reported in the Cleveland P-D article JetpackJesus linked and from other sites, all of those contracts (including Quinn's) are supposed to be fully unguaranteed, so they will only be on the hook for any time Cunningham or anyone else is on the roster once the regular season starts.

I wonder if Quinn is considering any options besides the D League or if we can expect to see him in Canton in a couple of weeks.

superdave
10-22-2015, 10:15 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13942794/cleveland-cavaliers-tristan-thompson-agree-5-year-82-million-deal

82MUSD...

I like Thompson a lot. He seems to be a great teammate and he was a warrior in the playoffs last season, especially after Love got injured.

I hope Cleveland can make things gel this season, and Quinn can be a part of things in some way.

awhom111
10-23-2015, 08:58 PM
Quinn survives the cut from 20 to 16. Someone out there did suggest maybe trading a player, like Joe Harris, so who knows if there are spots for two new guys to start the season.
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/waive-four-players-151023

Eternal Outlaw
10-24-2015, 06:52 PM
Quinn released

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/releases/cook-151024

cspan37421
10-24-2015, 07:48 PM
According to the report, it was the Cavalies that waived Quinn, not the Cavaliers. So that's a relief.

5608

CDu
10-24-2015, 08:21 PM
Quinn released

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/releases/cook-151024

Was really just a matter of time. Hopefully he does well in the D-League and impresses a team. I know the Bulls could use a backup PG because Hinrich is old and broken, and Brooks can't play D and doesn't pass.

dukelifer
10-24-2015, 09:16 PM
Was really just a matter of time. Hopefully he does well in the D-League and impresses a team. I know the Bulls could use a backup PG because Hinrich is old and broken, and Brooks can't play D and doesn't pass.

He probably impressed and learned a lot. Needs to keep working.

moonpie23
10-25-2015, 09:17 AM
bummer........keep working, q..........good luck....

jimsumner
11-04-2015, 01:08 PM
Cook update

http://dleague.nba.com/news/2015-nba-affiliate-players/

luvdahops
11-04-2015, 01:17 PM
Cook update

http://dleague.nba.com/news/2015-nba-affiliate-players/

Thanks Jim

Looking down that list, I think Quinn has a good shot to stand out. And I concur with CDu that it would be great to see him in a Bulls uniform.

David Bunkley
11-04-2015, 03:43 PM
If Quinn can get some quality minutes, I think he has a big enough skill set to compliment his one above average skill (shooting) to drawn an interest. Best of luck to the champ.

#GODUKE

MCFinARL
11-04-2015, 05:16 PM
Cook update

http://dleague.nba.com/news/2015-nba-affiliate-players/

I like that Quinn is featured in the photo at the top of this article. Quinn is, I think, a marketable player, thanks to his championship, his appealing senior year story, and of course his great hair. ;) Hope that helps him a bit.