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dukeclassof2016
07-31-2015, 06:41 PM
To those of you who have yet to hear the news, 2016 will presumably be Coach K's final year as the head coach of the United States national team, according to USA Basketball executive director Jerry Colangelo.

Read more here: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jerry-colangelo-talks-team-usa--lebron-and-post-coach-k-era-161049175.html

This is extremely saddening news, especially because it seems to have already started the discussion of whether Coach K will let go of the reigns at Duke anytime soon.

What are everyone's thoughts on this? Also, who do you think might succeed Coach K as the next head coach of Team USA?

Pghdukie
07-31-2015, 06:47 PM
I firmly believe with a growing family,the rigorous demands on his time, K has to slow down a little. Duke will not suffer.

Olympic Fan
07-31-2015, 06:48 PM
I don't think this is at all surprising. K tried to step down after the 2012 Olympics, but Jerry Colengelo took him out to dinner and sweet-talked K into another four-year hitch. At the time, K made it pretty clear that was the end for him.

I don't think this has much impact -- one way or the other -- with K's eventual decision to step down at Duke. He made it clear this summer that he's "not close to retiring" (his words) ... I think as long as he's healthy, he'll hang around. I don't think he has a planned retirement target. Instead, he'll wake up one day and not have the energy/interest to continue ... that's when he calls it quits. But again, don't see that day in the near future.

A more interesting question is who replaces K with the national team?

Colengelo said he knows who he wants. A year ago, I think Billy Donovan was in line to be the next national coach. He paid his dues on the under-19 team.

But now that he's a NBA coach, I think he's out of it. It will either be a retired coach or a college coach ... not an active NBA coach.

devildeac
07-31-2015, 06:54 PM
I don't think this is at all surprising. K tried to step down after the 2012 Olympics, but Jerry Colengelo took him out to dinner and sweet-talked K into another four-year hitch. At the time, K made it pretty clear that was the end for him.

I don't think this has much impact -- one way or the other -- with K's eventual decision to step down at Duke. He made it clear this summer that he's "not close to retiring" (his words) ... I think as long as he's healthy, he'll hang around. I don't think he has a planned retirement target. Instead, he'll wake up one day and not have the energy/interest to continue ... that's when he calls it quits. But again, don't see that day in the near future.

A more interesting question is who replaces K with the national team?

Colengelo said he knows who he wants. A year ago, I think Billy Donovan was in line to be the next national coach. He paid his dues on the under-19 team.

But now that he's a NBA coach, I think he's out of it. It will either be a retired coach or a college coach ... not an active NBA coach.

Larry Brown might be available...

(kidding, kidding)

BD80
07-31-2015, 07:03 PM
... A more interesting question is who replaces K with the national team?

Colengelo said he knows who he wants. A year ago, I think Billy Donovan was in line to be the next national coach. He paid his dues on the under-19 team.

But now that he's a NBA coach, I think he's out of it. It will either be a retired coach or a college coach ... not an active NBA coach.

I would think it is Popovich's if he wants it. He has paid his dues and has the respect of the top players and coaches. At 66, he may not be interested in a commitment for age 71.

OldPhiKap
07-31-2015, 07:05 PM
I don't think this is at all surprising. K tried to step down after the 2012 Olympics, but Jerry Colengelo took him out to dinner and sweet-talked K into another four-year hitch. At the time, K made it pretty clear that was the end for him.

I don't think this has much impact -- one way or the other -- with K's eventual decision to step down at Duke. He made it clear this summer that he's "not close to retiring" (his words) ... I think as long as he's healthy, he'll hang around. I don't think he has a planned retirement target. Instead, he'll wake up one day and not have the energy/interest to continue ... that's when he calls it quits. But again, don't see that day in the near future.

A more interesting question is who replaces K with the national team?

Colengelo said he knows who he wants. A year ago, I think Billy Donovan was in line to be the next national coach. He paid his dues on the under-19 team.

But now that he's a NBA coach, I think he's out of it. It will either be a retired coach or a college coach ... not an active NBA coach.

This. K didn't want to do this tour. No surprise.

K has said that he will coach until he figures he cannot bring the fire and energy to give the level of effort his kids deserve. Hope that is a long time, but when it comes it comes. It is amazing how much passion and energy he spends as it is. For those under thirty five or so, gonna tell 'ya -- enjoy boundless energy while you still have it.

roywhite
07-31-2015, 07:26 PM
This. K didn't want to do this tour. No surprise.

K has said that he will coach until he figures he cannot bring the fire and energy to give the level of effort his kids deserve. Hope that is a long time, but when it comes it comes. It is amazing how much passion and energy he spends as it is. For those under thirty five or so, gonna tell 'ya -- enjoy boundless energy while you still have it.

Coach K will finish with 10 years of service as head coach of Team USA, a 71-1 record so far, 2 FIBA World Championships, 2 Olympic Gold Medals, and counting.
In addition to his collegiate career, he ranks among the greatest International coaches of all-time. Yeah, I'd say he's done enough with his part-time job.

Edouble
07-31-2015, 09:39 PM
This. K didn't want to do this tour. No surprise.

K has said that he will coach until he figures he cannot bring the fire and energy to give the level of effort his kids deserve. Hope that is a long time, but when it comes it comes. It is amazing how much passion and energy he spends as it is. For those under thirty five or so, gonna tell 'ya -- enjoy boundless energy while you still have it.

Exercise daily, eat a nutritious diet, avoid excessive recreational drug use, and get 7-8 hours of sleep/night, and it lasts way past 35. You just can't keep burning the candle at both ends and and not feel the impact once you leave your 20s.

JasonEvans
07-31-2015, 10:13 PM
The most obvious choice is Sean Miller. He just coached the U-19 team, which is the closest thing we have to the Senior National Team that K coaches. He is also based in Tuscon, which means he and Jerry Colangelo have probably run into each other once or twice or a thousand times. I'd make Miller the front-runner.

Here is a thought -- Pop retires from the daily grind of the NBA in 2017 (along with Tim Duncan) and takes over as National Team Coach. It is not a job that requires him to travel a lot all the time. He would have long periods of down time and would really only have to work during the summers. Might be a nice way to transition away from being a full time coach and into retirement. If Pop is willing to do that, he'd be a great choice, though he would probably only take the job for one Olympic cycle due to his age. I'm not so sure he would want to do that though.

I could also see them considering Mark Few at Gonzaga. He is very active in international recruiting so he knows the international game. But, I'm not sure he would have the instant respect of the NBA guys that is so crucial to making this work.

I could see USA Basketball making a statement and hiring an African American coach. Shaka Smart was an assistant coach on the U-19 team a couple years ago. Not sure if that qualifies him but it would sure seem to help his case. If Texas rises up under his leadership the next couple seasons, he could be a real trendy pick.

Of course, the only guy who can come close to matching K's international coaching experience... a guy who is quite well-connected to the NBA and knows a lot of the players who would be strong candidates for the team... is John Calipari. I would not be at all surprised if he got the nod when K steps aside. It would be hard to argue with that selection.

-Jason "I'd put the odds like this -- Calipari - 20%, Miller- 20%, Pops - 15%, field - 45%" Evans

TKG
07-31-2015, 10:53 PM
Brad Stevens.

Olympic Fan
07-31-2015, 11:01 PM
The most obvious choice is Sean Miller. He just coached the U-19 team, which is the closest thing we have to the Senior National Team that K coaches. He is also based in Tuscon, which means he and Jerry Colangelo have probably run into each other once or twice or a thousand times. I'd make Miller the front-runner.

Here is a thought -- Pop retires from the daily grind of the NBA in 2017 (along with Tim Duncan) and takes over as National Team Coach. It is not a job that requires him to travel a lot all the time. He would have long periods of down time and would really only have to work during the summers. Might be a nice way to transition away from being a full time coach and into retirement. If Pop is willing to do that, he'd be a great choice, though he would probably only take the job for one Olympic cycle due to his age. I'm not so sure he would want to do that though.

I could also see them considering Mark Few at Gonzaga. He is very active in international recruiting so he knows the international game. But, I'm not sure he would have the instant respect of the NBA guys that is so crucial to making this work.

I could see USA Basketball making a statement and hiring an African American coach. Shaka Smart was an assistant coach on the U-19 team a couple years ago. Not sure if that qualifies him but it would sure seem to help his case. If Texas rises up under his leadership the next couple seasons, he could be a real trendy pick.

Of course, the only guy who can come close to matching K's international coaching experience... a guy who is quite well-connected to the NBA and knows a lot of the players who would be strong candidates for the team... is John Calipari. I would not be at all surprised if he got the nod when K steps aside. It would be hard to argue with that selection.

-Jason "I'd put the odds like this -- Calipari - 20%, Miller- 20%, Pops - 15%, field - 45%" Evans

Jason, excellent speculation ... but you may have missed one point in regard to Calipari and his chances.

Do you remember the Adrian Wojnarowski story last September that absolutely trashed USA Basketball and Coach K?

Much of the venom came from Mark Cuban, an outspoken opponent of using NBA players in USA Basketball (at least when he and the other NBA owners don't make any direct money by allowing "their" players to play internationally). But a substantial part of the story was basically Calipari's jealous attack of K or using his position with USA Basketball to help his recruiting.

That can't have helped him with Colangelo -- who is, after all, K's buddy. Plus, in all his years as a coach, Calipari has NEVER participated in USA Basketball. His only international experience that I know of was a brief stint as head coach of the Dominican Republic National team (which was basically a recruiting venture to get young big man Karl Anthony-Towns).

I have a hard time believing that Colangelo would reward Calipari for his venomous attack on K by giving him K's job. Cal's lack of support for USA Basketball over the years would also work against him. And I don't think 18 months as coach of the Dominican team would qualify as "coming close to K's international experience."

I also have problems with Sean Miller. You dismiss Mark Few by suggesting that he doesn't have the instant respect of the NBA guys. Does Miller -- a guy who's never even been to a Final Four? He's awfully young and he only took over the under 19 team this summer after Donovan went pro.

I like your Popovich idea best. It makes a lot of sense that he retires after next season and eases into retirement as the USA National Team coach. I also think you're right that he does it just one cycle -- through the 2018 World Championship and the 2020 Olympics. But that would provide a four-year cushion for Miller to gain experience with the under 19 team and to build his resume at Arizona.

gep
08-01-2015, 12:04 AM
... I also have problems with Sean Miller. You dismiss Mark Few by suggesting that he doesn't have the instant respect of the NBA guys. Does Miller -- a guy who's never even been to a Final Four? He's awfully young and he only took over the under 19 team this summer after Donovan went pro...


I agree about Sean Miller and Mark Few. Both are good coaches, and may have international experience. But, will they command the respect of the NBA players? I think that's where Coach K excelled... and was the KEY to the success of Team USA. Unfortunately, like at Duke, Coach K has set a pretty high bar with Team USA...

BD80
08-01-2015, 05:49 AM
I agree about Sean Miller and Mark Few. Both are good coaches, and may have international experience. But, will they command the respect of the NBA players? I think that's where Coach K excelled... and was the KEY to the success of Team USA. Fortunately, like at Duke, Coach K has set a pretty high bar with Team USA...

Fixed

Owen Meany
08-01-2015, 11:24 AM
Coach K has made the USA coaching gig a very much sought after position. It is seen now as a significant recruiting advantage. Its very easy to forget that, when Coach K accepted the position, the USA was coming off several losses in international play, that players weren't eager to be a part of the team, and that the USA team was not well respected either on or off the court. Jerry Colangelo and Coach K have done a masterful job of changing that.

When Coach K first accepted the job it was viewed as a distraction that would take time and energy away from his duties at Duke. An Olympic loss would certainly not have strengthened Coach K's legacy or his standing with high school recruits. There was significant risk involved, particularly given that it was uncertain what players would buy in (does anyone remember the grumbling that pro players would not buy into Coach K's style - he was too demanding, too authoritative?). Coach K, along with Colangelo, had to change the entire culture of USA basketball.

Its a coveted job now because he made it so. USA basketball is now cool, from the youngest teams to the pros. He benefited from his success and from what he created. And before accepting this reclamation project, Coach K had been heavily committed to USA basketball for many years. From the USA basketball site - Since 1979 he has been involved as a coach with 14 USA teams and has helped lead the U.S. to 10 gold medals, two silver medals and two bronze medals. To put this in perspective, the 1979 team included Isiah Thomas and Ralph Sampson, and I'm fairly certain that the Pan American games garnered very little media attention. I still remember Coach K bringing the Laettner and Mourning FIBA team into Cameron to publicly scrimmage against Banks and Dawkins. He coached Pan American Games, World Games, Fiba , Goodwill Games, and even National Sports Festival teams when there were no pros, tv coverage, media attention, etc. None of this touches on Coach K's West Point background or his continued involvement with the USA armed forces.

So, finally getting to my point, Coach K earned the opportunity to coach USA basketball. I doubt there will ever be another coach who has shown to be as devoted to USA basketball, so it would be unfair to compare the next coach to Coach K. I hope that whoever steps into the position and benefits from what Coach K has built is someone who has shown a longstanding commitment to USA basketball. Someone who has paid dues at the lower levels of USA basketball, as an assistant, etc. when the only benefit to be gained was the pride of coaching your country and helping young players develop. The last thing I want to see is someone like Calipari, who, from my reading of the nasty Wojo article, seems to see the USA coaching gig as a recruiting tool to help himself. It is my belief, and hope, that Colangelo values USA basketball such that he will look for someone who has shown a commitment to USA basketball in the past. He requires it of the players, so I can't imagine it not applying to the coach as well. Colangelo's first choice as coach was masterful - he absolutely chose the right man for the job. I trust he will be very careful and thoughtful that the next coach is able to continue to maintain what took a long time and a lot of hard work to create.

Edouble
08-01-2015, 01:26 PM
So, finally getting to my point, Coach K earned the opportunity to coach USA basketball. I doubt there will ever be another coach who has shown to be as devoted to USA basketball, so it would be unfair to compare the next coach to Coach K. I hope that whoever steps into the position and benefits from what Coach K has built is someone who has shown a longstanding commitment to USA basketball. Someone who has paid dues at the lower levels of USA basketball, as an assistant, etc. when the only benefit to be gained was the pride of coaching your country and helping young players develop. The last thing I want to see is someone like Calipari, who, from my reading of the nasty Wojo article, seems to see the USA coaching gig as a recruiting tool to help himself. It is my belief, and hope, that Colangelo values USA basketball such that he will look for someone who has shown a commitment to USA basketball in the past. He requires it of the players, so I can't imagine it not applying to the coach as well. Colangelo's first choice as coach was masterful - he absolutely chose the right man for the job. I trust he will be very careful and thoughtful that the next coach is able to continue to maintain what took a long time and a lot of hard work to create.

No way... around these parts, Adrien Wojnarowski can not be referred to as Wojo. There is only one Wojo on DBR.

SilkyJ
08-01-2015, 03:18 PM
Colengelo said he knows who he wants. A year ago, I think Billy Donovan was in line to be the next national coach. He paid his dues on the under-19 team.

But now that he's a NBA coach, I think he's out of it. It will either be a retired coach or a college coach ... not an active NBA coach.

Billy the kid makes sense given his prior activity with USAB (coach of the U18 or U19 team in 2012-2014) and long track record of success in college. 19 years at Florida, 467 wins (71.5%), 2 titles, and 4 final fours.

But you now believe the fact that he's an NBA coach puts him out of it. I'm curious as to why. Is it b/c being head coach of USAB is now more of a time commitment than an NBA coach would want to sacrifice? I just remember 10-12 years ago when Colangelo asked a room full of people which college coaches could coach the USA in the 2008 Olympics, Dean Smith said "there's only one coach up there who can get the job done, and its coach K" (or something to that effect). I'm not sure who you're thinking of when you say "retired" coach (knowing you, you've got someone in mind :cool:), but the only NCAA coaches with anywhere near as much success as Coach K are Izzo, Boeheim, and Ol' Roy, and none of them can possibly be the ones to take over next. Who else has enough cache to coach a bunch of NBA-ers? Calipari is the only other one I can think of, but your comments re: his lashing out at K/USAB are spot on.

Billy makes a lot of sense to me, a lot more sense than picking some other college coach who the NBA superstars might struggle to respect.


The most obvious choice is Sean Miller. He just coached the U-19 team, which is the closest thing we have to the Senior National Team that K coaches....

-Jason "I'd put the odds like this -- Calipari - 20%, Miller- 20%, Pops - 15%, field - 45%" Evans

I don't see how Sean Miller is the obvious choice just b/c he coached the U-19 team once. He's coached all of 6 years at a major conference school, and never made a final four (he has been to the elite eight 4 times, including once with Xavier). Why would NBA guys respect such a young, unaccomplished coach. Don't get me wrong, he's clearly doing a fantastic job out in AZ, but I'd revert back to the Dean Smith quote above. Coach K was a legend when he took over and Dean Smith's message at that time was that if you're going to take a college coach, it has to be someone at that level.

Neither Billy nor Sean have coached a day in the pros, but at least Billy has 20 years as a college coach, significant success at that level, and clearly has respect across the coaching profession (the NBA has been calling him for the better part of a decade). Calipari & Pops would seem just as likely to me as someone like Billy, and I'd see Sean as a backup, backup plan at best.


Brad Stevens.

This is the first name that came to my mind, probably b/c he's the guy I've had my eye on to replace K. The moment he left for Boston I think our chances became very small (b/c of the money, mainly), but here's a young stud who's had major success in college and seems to be doing a solid job so far in Boston.

If I had to guess Pop is probably the guy Colangelo has his eye on, but I would have no problem with Stevens at the helm.

wavedukefan70s
08-01-2015, 03:38 PM
This. K didn't want to do this tour. No surprise.

K has said that he will coach until he figures he cannot bring the fire and energy to give the level of effort his kids deserve. Hope that is a long time, but when it comes it comes. It is amazing how much passion and energy he spends as it is. For those under thirty five or so, gonna tell 'ya -- enjoy boundless energy while you still have it.

He may very well coach longer than anyone thinks.my old highschool coach just retired after 63 years at the helm.
Every year is a treasured year that we have coach K coaching.

Olympic Fan
08-01-2015, 03:44 PM
Billy the kid makes sense given his prior activity with USAB (coach of the U18 or U19 team in 2012-2014) and long track record of success in college. 19 years at Florida, 467 wins (71.5%), 2 titles, and 4 final fours.

But you now believe the fact that he's an NBA coach puts him out of it. I'm curious as to why. Is it b/c being head coach of USAB is now more of a time commitment than an NBA coach would want to sacrifice? I just remember 10-12 years ago when Colangelo asked a room full of people which college coaches could coach the USA in the 2008 Olympics, Dean Smith said "there's only one coach up there who can get the job done, and its coach K" (or something to that effect). I'm not sure who you're thinking of when you say "retired" coach (knowing you, you've got someone in mind :cool:), but the only NCAA coaches with anywhere near as much success as Coach K are Izzo, Boeheim, and Ol' Roy, and none of them can possibly be the ones to take over next. Who else has enough cache to coach a bunch of NBA-ers? Calipari is the only other one I can think of, but your comments re: his lashing out at K/USAB are spot on.

Billy makes a lot of sense to me, a lot more sense than picking some other college coach who the NBA superstars might struggle to respect.

Everything I've read or heard suggests that Colangelo will NOT pick an active NBA coach. There was a lot of talk when K first got the job about how every NBA coach brings baggage and jealousies.

If he's going to take an active NBA coach, I'd definitely take Popovich.

Dukehky
08-01-2015, 04:52 PM
He said he wasn't going to coach after the 2012 games, and the 2008 games. He can say that Colangelo had to beg him to come back after every Olympics, which he should, but I don't think he had to be particularly convincing in any of those meetings...

I think K coaches the USA because it is a great honor, and it's a lot of fun for him to do, but let's not be naive and think that there is no ulterior motive. His relationship with the top NBA players as well as their endorsements of he and his coaching style have undoubtedly helped Duke basketball as well as our recruiting.

It wouldn't shock me to see him coach until the Olympics directly before he plans on retiring. Is that 2016? Is that 2020? I don't think we see K coaching in 2021 without having coached Team USA in the 2020 Olympics.

Coaching team USA is a recruiting advantage, and one that K uses, but I actually believe that it was kind of an inadvertent result of coaching the national team, rather than the sole reason for it which I believe Cal would do and what I think A Woj believes (chotch).

Like, K isn't going to not recruit kids some kids who think its cool he coaches Team USA because it may be an unfair advantage. Team USA coaching also gives his assistants valuable experience and exposure.

If K plans on coaching after 2020, I think he will coach the 2020 Olympics.

Olympic Fan
08-01-2015, 05:07 PM
Coaching team USA is a recruiting advantage, and one that K uses, but I actually believe that it was kind of an inadvertent result of coaching the national coach, rather than the sole reason for it which I believe Cal would do and what I think A Woj believes (chotch).

I think the story line that K gets a recruiting advantage from being the USA National Team coach is w-a-ay overblown.

My point is that K brought in the number one rated class in the nation in 1997 (the Brand, Battier class), in 1999 (the Jason Williams, Boozer, Dunleavy class), 2002 (the Redick, Shelden Williams class) and in 2005 (the McRoberts, Paulus class).

That's four times in the nine seasons BEFORE K was named as the national coach.

Since he was named the national coach, he's recruited well -- but in the first eight years after being named the national coach (and after winning two gold medals), he had the top ranked class zero times.

Then he gets the top class again in 2014 (Jahlil, Tyus and Justise) -- for the first time in nine years as the national coach and suddenly, he's cashing in on his status as the national coach.

It's not as the Adrian Wok trash job suggested that K actually got to meet with the under 19 team once --horrors (and why didn't the fact that Billy Donovan and Shaka Smart were the permanent coaches of that team give THEM an advantage?) I'm sure being seen leading LeBron and Kobe and company to all that success enhanced K's reputation -- especially when he succeeded where Larry Brown and George Karl failed -- but winning five national titles amd over 1,000 college games might have helped too.

The fact is that K was a Hall of Fame coach before he was named to head the national team. He already had three national titles in his pocket.

His recruiting has not been better since he was named to coach the National team ... until the last two years, it was actually slightly worse than in the decade before he was named.

sagegrouse
08-01-2015, 05:23 PM
Colangelo said he knows who he wants. A year ago, I think Billy Donovan was in line to be the next national coach. He paid his dues on the under-19 team.

But now that he's a NBA coach, I think he's out of it. It will either be a retired coach or a college coach ... not an active NBA coach.

I think being an NBA coach may enhance, not lower Donovan's chances. K was a unique talent, who was hired as much to build the Team USA program as to coach the team. Now the program needs to be maintained. Now the Team USA coach needs to be able to relate to the star NBA players. If Donovan does well with the Thunder, he would strengthen his chances of being selected. Other NBA choices might be Steve Kerr or Spoelstra. Pop is the guy with the credentials, but we'll see.... Brad Stephens would have to be considered.

Who would be the college coaches on the short list? Calapari, Pitino, and Izzo would probably leap at the chance. A younger candidates might be Sean Miller. Tony Bennett is a terrific coach but his style may not best utilize our NBA talent.

Anyway, we won't have to worry about this for another year, unless Colangelo and K want the new coach to be on next year's staff.

Richard Berg
08-01-2015, 05:33 PM
Are the 2020 games in a world-class wine region? That could lure Pop. Otherwise, I don't see it. I get the sense he would have already quit basketball several years ago if Timmy hadn't found that youth potion in 2011.

NSDukeFan
08-01-2015, 07:39 PM
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I think K coaches the USA because it is a great honor, and it's a lot of fun for him to do, but let's not be naive and think that there is no ulterior motive. His relationship with the top NBA players as well as their endorsements of he and his coaching style have undoubtedly helped Duke basketball as well as our recruiting.
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Coaching team USA is a recruiting advantage, and one that K uses, but I actually believe that it was kind of an inadvertent result of coaching the national team, rather than the sole reason for it which I believe Cal would do and what I think A Woj believes (chotch).

Like, K isn't going to not recruit kids some kids who think its cool he coaches Team USA because it may be an unfair advantage. Team USA coaching also gives his assistants valuable experience and exposure.

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I agree with you that coach K is with team USA because it is a great honour and is a lot of fun for him and a great way to keep him excited and challenged coaching. But I think you should have read Owen Meany's post first before stating that recruiting has anything to do with the reason he took the job. The only reason that it could have become an advantage, even though it has taken he and his staff off the recruiting trail at certain times, is because he and Colangelo and the commitment of the top players have completely changed the culture of the program and highlighted what an amazing coach, leader and mentor he is. Taking the job did not in any way give him a recruiting advantage. Completely overhauling the program over the last decade, succeeding where others failed and showing great leadership reinforced that he is the best college basketball coach and has built the best college basketball program. That resonates with a lot of recruits and their families.

dukeclassof2016
08-02-2015, 01:05 PM
Coach K has made the USA coaching gig a very much sought after position. It is seen now as a significant recruiting advantage. Its very easy to forget that, when Coach K accepted the position, the USA was coming off several losses in international play, that players weren't eager to be a part of the team, and that the USA team was not well respected either on or off the court. Jerry Colangelo and Coach K have done a masterful job of changing that.

When Coach K first accepted the job it was viewed as a distraction that would take time and energy away from his duties at Duke. An Olympic loss would certainly not have strengthened Coach K's legacy or his standing with high school recruits. There was significant risk involved, particularly given that it was uncertain what players would buy in (does anyone remember the grumbling that pro players would not buy into Coach K's style - he was too demanding, too authoritative?). Coach K, along with Colangelo, had to change the entire culture of USA basketball.

Its a coveted job now because he made it so. USA basketball is now cool, from the youngest teams to the pros. He benefited from his success and from what he created. And before accepting this reclamation project, Coach K had been heavily committed to USA basketball for many years. From the USA basketball site - Since 1979 he has been involved as a coach with 14 USA teams and has helped lead the U.S. to 10 gold medals, two silver medals and two bronze medals. To put this in perspective, the 1979 team included Isiah Thomas and Ralph Sampson, and I'm fairly certain that the Pan American games garnered very little media attention. I still remember Coach K bringing the Laettner and Mourning FIBA team into Cameron to publicly scrimmage against Banks and Dawkins. He coached Pan American Games, World Games, Fiba , Goodwill Games, and even National Sports Festival teams when there were no pros, tv coverage, media attention, etc. None of this touches on Coach K's West Point background or his continued involvement with the USA armed forces.

So, finally getting to my point, Coach K earned the opportunity to coach USA basketball. I doubt there will ever be another coach who has shown to be as devoted to USA basketball, so it would be unfair to compare the next coach to Coach K. I hope that whoever steps into the position and benefits from what Coach K has built is someone who has shown a longstanding commitment to USA basketball. Someone who has paid dues at the lower levels of USA basketball, as an assistant, etc. when the only benefit to be gained was the pride of coaching your country and helping young players develop. The last thing I want to see is someone like Calipari, who, from my reading of the nasty Wojo article, seems to see the USA coaching gig as a recruiting tool to help himself. It is my belief, and hope, that Colangelo values USA basketball such that he will look for someone who has shown a commitment to USA basketball in the past. He requires it of the players, so I can't imagine it not applying to the coach as well. Colangelo's first choice as coach was masterful - he absolutely chose the right man for the job. I trust he will be very careful and thoughtful that the next coach is able to continue to maintain what took a long time and a lot of hard work to create.

THIS.

g-money
08-02-2015, 04:31 PM
I have a hard time believing Calipari will receive serious consideration for the Team USA job, for three reasons:

1) He's already coached for another country
2) His stint with the Nets was a calamity
3) Is this really the guy people would want representing the USA within the international community?

I personally would be excited to see Jason's speculation play out that Pop could retire from the NBA (thus eliminating the conflict associated with coaching players from rival teams) and take over Team USA. He's by far the best man for the job. He might need to work on his interview skills a bit, though. :)

BD80
08-02-2015, 06:48 PM
... I personally would be excited to see Jason's speculation play out that Pop could retire from the NBA (thus eliminating the conflict associated with coaching players from rival teams) and take over Team USA. He's by far the best man for the job. He might need to work on his interview skills a bit, though. :)

That's one reason Jeff Capel would be a lead assistant coach.

gep
08-02-2015, 06:55 PM
That's one reason Jeff Capel would be a lead assistant coach.

And brad Stevens as assistant coach too...

Tappan Zee Devil
08-02-2015, 08:31 PM
So - the question that this rises, but has not been addressed (not that I really want to address it) is: What does this imply for K's tenure at Duke?

OldPhiKap
08-02-2015, 08:39 PM
So - the question that this rises, but has not been addressed (not that I really want to address it) is: What does this imply for K's tenure at Duke?

Nothing, IMO. K will retire at some point. It is wholly unrelated to USA Basketball, which is due to move to other hands regardless.

Again, JMhO.

Jarhead
08-02-2015, 08:55 PM
So - the question that this rises, but has not been addressed (not that I really want to address it) is: What does this imply for K's tenure at Duke?

It might even add some years to his Duke career. On the other hand, I think he has already made plans for his departure, and he won't just call in sick. When did he announce his departure from the USA Basketball coaching gig?

SilkyJ
08-02-2015, 09:03 PM
Everything I've read or heard suggests that Colangelo will NOT pick an active NBA coach. There was a lot of talk when K first got the job about how every NBA coach brings baggage and jealousies.

If he's going to take an active NBA coach, I'd definitely take Popovich.

Agree on Pop and what you're saying makes sense re: NBA coaches vs non-NBA coaches. I'm guessing it was that thinking that got him to K in the first place. I just struggle to see where he's gonna get a guy in the college ranks that can be nearly as effective as K was. Izzo is the only guy that I think could do it as or nearly as well. It may be that the talent gap is so wide that it doesn't matter, but it was thinking like that that got us into a rut in the first place.

gurufrisbee
08-02-2015, 09:11 PM
No shock about it being K's last run with team USA.

I think it's pretty clear it's a better plan for the team to NOT use an NBA coach. There is a lot of conflicting issues going on when you do that, especially in this age of free agency. Maybe if Pop retires from the Spurs between now and then he would be a good choice. If not, I really like the idea of Shaka Smart. The US, with their depth and talent and bench should embrace a lot of his havoc concepts for international play.

Bluedevil114
08-03-2015, 05:09 AM
Coach K has earned the right to have a lot of influence with Colangelo on who will replace him as the next USA head coach and who will not replace him. There is a ton of respect both ways. Both K and Colangelo read the idiotic quotes from Cal. There is no way Cal gets the job based on many of the things he has said over the years about K, Duke and USA. The next coach is either already selected or I can see Coach K being part of the interview process.

luburch
08-03-2015, 06:05 AM
I'm surpised Izzo's name hasn't been mentioned yet. I can't see an active NBA coach getting the gig. Just feels like a conflict of interest.

BD80
08-03-2015, 06:29 AM
Wouldn't MJ get a say in who the next USA Coach would be? He's really shown he knows how to build a winning team

sagegrouse
08-03-2015, 07:13 AM
I'm surpised Izzo's name hasn't been mentioned yet. I can't see an active NBA coach getting the gig. Just feels like a conflict of interest.

A number of people, including OF, have either said or implied this. This is TEAM USA! It's bigger than NBA free agency. I tend to think the next coach will be from the NBA. Krzyzewski, while not sui generis, is pretty darned close. Not to toot the Duke horn too loudly -- leadership, organization skills, and coaching don't always come in the same package. The need now is for leadership and coaching, since the organization of Team USA seems to be in good shape.

SilkyJ
08-03-2015, 11:35 AM
I'm surpised Izzo's name hasn't been mentioned yet. I can't see an active NBA coach getting the gig. Just feels like a conflict of interest.

I mentioned him only 3 posts earlier :)


...I just struggle to see where he's gonna get a guy in the college ranks that can be nearly as effective as K was. Izzo is the only guy that I think could do it as or nearly as well. It may be that the talent gap is so wide that it doesn't matter, but it was thinking like that that got us into a rut in the first place.

Billy Dat
08-03-2015, 11:47 AM
I love the "Who Succeeds K with Team USA Debate" and have weighed in many times, but the leaders change all the time.

Gregg Popovich:
There has been a lot of debate as to whether or not it can be an NBA coach due to time commitment and conflict of interest. I side with those who say if an NBA coach is the right guy for the job, then give him the job. In truth, since 1992, K is the only non-NBA coach to hold the post following Chuck Daly, Don Nelson, Lenny Wilkens, Rudy T., George Karl and Larry Brown. To me, Pop is the runaway best candidate as the players all respect him and he'd certainly respect the challenge as he holds non-US basketball in high esteem. But, and it's a huge but, he and Colangelo aren't exactly friends, and Pop feels he was snubbed when K got the job. This article spells it all out:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/03/02/hubbard-colangelo-and-popovich-need-to-make-it-work/
So, there's friction there.

Billy Donovan:
Before he took the OKC job, I thought the USA job was his for the taking based on his steady dues paying in the USA Basketball world. He's coached teams nearly every summer for years, enjoyed great success, gotten old enough to have a more tenured feel to him, etc. If he does well with Westbrook and Durant, especially if both guys decide to stay in OKC and he's one of the reasons why, I would not count him out.

Cal:
I also think Cal is a serious candidate, and while he whines about K's advantages, he has not so subtly been sucking up to Colangelo in a number of ways. He participated as a coach at last year's USA Basketball Fantasy camp, he spoke to their conference on youth coaching, and he has had many glowing things to say about how the USA Basketball experience helped his former Kentucky players like AD and Boogie. Aside from recruiting Karl Towns, I think the entire reason he coached the DR team was to build his FIBA resume so that he'd be considered for the job. I think he's the #1 college coaching candidate.

Brad Stevens:
He has already garnered HUGE respect from the players in the league that have been on his teams, and that word is starting to spread through the league, because they think he's smart, prepared and, most importantly, a guy who knows when to push and when to lay off. If you check the history books, he's also logged quite a few Team USA coaching stints so he has equity.

Other pro coaches:
Considering the guys currently on the staff or recently on the staff, I think Thibs is probably the most likely, but I think his intensity scares players. Unlike Stevens, he doesn't know how to lay off. Doc Rivers has been considered a potential candidate because he's such a "players coach". If we consider the other guys considered the best in the biz, Rick Carlisle may just be too outside the Colangelo/USA Basketball world to warrant consideration. Spoelstra is a young, well respected coach who played internationally so I think he'd at least be thought of, but would also be a long shot. Kerr is likely just too short into his NBA tenure, but he and Colangelo likely have a Suns-related relationship.

Other college coaches:
Like others, I don't share Jason's enthusiasm for Miller's chances. I think he's a great coach, but I don't think he's accomplished enough to warrant a serious look...ditto for USA Basketball vet Tony Bennett. Mark Few and Shaka are further up the food chain, but not quite high enough. Izzo is intriguing, he also has Team USA coaching experience but it is already 10 years old and he hasn't done anything related lately. Bill Self has never coached with USA Basketball. Rick Pitino has the experience coaching the Puerto Rican national team, but I think he's rep with the pros may be too polarizing.

I think Pop, Donovan and Cal are the 3 lead dogs with Stevens as the dark horse.

flyingdutchdevil
08-03-2015, 12:43 PM
I love the "Who Succeeds K with Team USA Debate" and have weighed in many times, but the leaders change all the time.

Gregg Popovich:
There has been a lot of debate as to whether or not it can be an NBA coach due to time commitment and conflict of interest. I side with those who say if an NBA coach is the right guy for the job, then give him the job. In truth, since 1992, K is the only non-NBA coach to hold the post following Chuck Daly, Don Nelson, Lenny Wilkens, Rudy T., George Karl and Larry Brown. To me, Pop is the runaway best candidate as the players all respect him and he'd certainly respect the challenge as he holds non-US basketball in high esteem. But, and it's a huge but, he and Colangelo aren't exactly friends, and Pop feels he was snubbed when K got the job. This article spells it all out:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/03/02/hubbard-colangelo-and-popovich-need-to-make-it-work/
So, there's friction there.

Billy Donovan:
Before he took the OKC job, I thought the USA job was his for the taking based on his steady dues paying in the USA Basketball world. He's coached teams nearly every summer for years, enjoyed great success, gotten old enough to have a more tenured feel to him, etc. If he does well with Westbrook and Durant, especially if both guys decide to stay in OKC and he's one of the reasons why, I would not count him out.

Cal:
I also think Cal is a serious candidate, and while he whines about K's advantages, he has not so subtly been sucking up to Colangelo in a number of ways. He participated as a coach at last year's USA Basketball Fantasy camp, he spoke to their conference on youth coaching, and he has had many glowing things to say about how the USA Basketball experience helped his former Kentucky players like AD and Boogie. Aside from recruiting Karl Towns, I think the entire reason he coached the DR team was to build his FIBA resume so that he'd be considered for the job. I think he's the #1 college coaching candidate.

Brad Stevens:
He has already garnered HUGE respect from the players in the league that have been on his teams, and that word is starting to spread through the league, because they think he's smart, prepared and, most importantly, a guy who knows when to push and when to lay off. If you check the history books, he's also logged quite a few Team USA coaching stints so he has equity.

Other pro coaches:
Considering the guys currently on the staff or recently on the staff, I think Thibs is probably the most likely, but I think his intensity scares players. Unlike Stevens, he doesn't know how to lay off. Doc Rivers has been considered a potential candidate because he's such a "players coach". If we consider the other guys considered the best in the biz, Rick Carlisle may just be too outside the Colangelo/USA Basketball world to warrant consideration. Spoelstra is a young, well respected coach who played internationally so I think he'd at least be thought of, but would also be a long shot. Kerr is likely just too short into his NBA tenure, but he and Colangelo likely have a Suns-related relationship.

Other college coaches:
Like others, I don't share Jason's enthusiasm for Miller's chances. I think he's a great coach, but I don't think he's accomplished enough to warrant a serious look...ditto for USA Basketball vet Tony Bennett. Mark Few and Shaka are further up the food chain, but not quite high enough. Izzo is intriguing, he also has Team USA coaching experience but it is already 10 years old and he hasn't done anything related lately. Bill Self has never coached with USA Basketball. Rick Pitino has the experience coaching the Puerto Rican national team, but I think he's rep with the pros may be too polarizing.

I think Pop, Donovan and Cal are the 3 lead dogs with Stevens as the dark horse.

This is a great analysis. Thanks Billy.

I think it's gonna come down to two factors and two factors alone. One, will [xxx] candidate want the position? Pop clearly is the most qualified candidate, but does he really want it? I'm not sure he does. Pop loves his personal time and I'm not sure he would coach this team if it's too much of a commitment. Donovan may not want it either given that he has zero NBA credibility. Cal clearly wants it for the recruits, and Stevens - like you said - already has credibility and may want to use it to draw free agents to Boston.

The second factor is motivation. Coach K's great asset to the team is motivating these megastars to play for their countries without the pay. It's a tall order to ask, but Coach K is arguably the best motivator in all of basketball (and possibly US team sports). I don't think a coach needs to have the top x's and o's or be a "Player's Coach"; I think he (or she) needs to get the best out of the Lebrons, the Currys, and the Hardens of the the US. A motivated US team cannot lose, even if the coach's x's and o's are that of Ole Roy's without a speedy PG.

Bottomline, if a coach wants the job and is excellent at motivating his players, he's the best candidate. That's why I think that Calipari or Stevens gets the job. They both fit the criteria.

NashvilleDevil
08-03-2015, 06:16 PM
This is a great analysis. Thanks Billy.

I think it's gonna come down to two factors and two factors alone. One, will [xxx] candidate want the position? Pop clearly is the most qualified candidate, but does he really want it? I'm not sure he does. Pop loves his personal time and I'm not sure he would coach this team if it's too much of a commitment. Donovan may not want it either given that he has zero NBA credibility. Cal clearly wants it for the recruits, and Stevens - like you said - already has credibility and may want to use it to draw free agents to Boston.

The second factor is motivation. Coach K's great asset to the team is motivating these megastars to play for their countries without the pay. It's a tall order to ask, but Coach K is arguably the best motivator in all of basketball (and possibly US team sports). I don't think a coach needs to have the top x's and o's or be a "Player's Coach"; I think he (or she) needs to get the best out of the Lebrons, the Currys, and the Hardens of the the US. A motivated US team cannot lose, even if the coach's x's and o's are that of Ole Roy's without a speedy PG.

Bottomline, if a coach wants the job and is excellent at motivating his players, he's the best candidate. That's why I think that Calipari or Stevens gets the job. They both fit the criteria.

Maybe this is why Cal has not taken any of the NBA openings the last couple years. If he thinks he has a shot at coaching the national team then that would quench his thirst to coach pros (UK jokes aside) and he could reap the recruiting benefits he sees K getting. I agree with some of the posters that mentioned it took close to 10 years for K to reap some of the recruiting rewards of coaching the national team. If Cal coaches the pros and they lose then it won't be quite the windfall he thought.

msdukie
08-03-2015, 09:36 PM
It might even add some years to his Duke career. On the other hand, I think he has already made plans for his departure, and he won't just call in sick. When did he announce his departure from the USA Basketball coaching gig?

2008. Also 2012.

BD80
08-04-2015, 09:52 AM
2008. Also 2012.

I hope he is similarly intractable when stepping down at Duke. That gives us at least another 8 years.

NSDukeFan
08-04-2015, 10:24 AM
I hope he is similarly intractable when stepping down at Duke. That gives us at least another 8 years.

Hopefully Kevin White gets some advice from Jerry Colangelo.

Billy Dat
08-04-2015, 11:09 AM
Hopefully Kevin White gets some advice from Jerry Colangelo.

Break out the pizza and red wine...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/london/basketball/story/2012-08-11/jerry-colangelo-mike-krzyzewski-rio-team-usa/56972652/1