2014 NBA Summer League

[awhom111]

I figure that it is time to have a thread for the whole league and not just one for our rookies.

News has trickled out on individuals getting invites to teams. Here is the first complete roster, given to us by the Indiana Pacers:
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/pacers-conduct-rookie/free-agent-camp

For those who find any degree of humor in my good old 7 Foul Club, I will be keeping it away from this thread and confining it to twitter @7foulclub. I will try to keep up with the rosters, TV schedules, and boxscores here though.

[awhom111]

A lot more rosters were announced today:

Celtics (worst formatting ever):
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/press_release/celtics-announce-2014-summer-league-roster
Nets (Mason Plumlee):
http://www.nba.com/nets/news/brooklyn-nets-announce-summer-league-roster
76ers:
http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/140701-opsl-camp-invitees
Heat (Andre Dawkins):
http://www.nba.com/heat/heat-announce-summer-league-information-0
Magic (Seth Curry):
http://www.nba.com/magic/orlando-magic-announce-roster-southwest-airlines-orlando-pro-summer-league
Grizzlies:
http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/news/grizzlies-announce-orlando-summer-league-roster-140630
Lakers (no Ryan Kelly yet, contract situation?):
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/140701summer_invitees

[awhom111]

Hornets:
http://www.nba.com/hornets/hornets-announce-2014-summer-league-roster
Rockets:
http://www.nba.com/rockets/rockets-play-orlando-pro-summer-league
Pelicans (No Austin Rivers in case anyone was wondering):
http://www.nba.com/pelicans/news/pelicans-announce-2014-samsung-nba-summer-league-roster-and-mini-camp-schedule
Kings:
http://www.nba.com/kings/news/kings-hold-mini-camp-las-vegas-prior-2014-samsung-nba-summer-league

[sue71, esq]

Here's supposedly all the rosters for both Orlando and Vegas, as posted by a friend that works the Vegas Summer League.

Link (http://hoopshype.com/summer_leagues.htm)

[sue71, esq]

Here's supposedly all the rosters for both Orlando and Vegas, as posted by a friend that works the Vegas Summer League.

Link (http://hoopshype.com/summer_leagues.htm)

Because I cut myself off without including it, here's the Duke breakdown. Apparently a player can play for different teams (in different leagues)- see Andre Dawkins & Seth Curry. :confused:

ORLANDO
Mason Plumlee (Brooklyn Nets)
Andre Dawkins (Miami Heat)
Nolan Smith (Oklahoma City Thunder)
Seth Curry (Orlando Magic)

VEGAS
Andre Dawkins (Houston Rockets)
Jabari Parker (Milwaukee Bucks- side note, I wonder if Jason Kidd will be hanging around...)
Seth Curry (Phoenix Suns)
Miles Plumlee (Phoenix Suns)
Rodney Hood (Utah Jazz)

[awhom111]

Here's supposedly all the rosters for both Orlando and Vegas, as posted by a friend that works the Vegas Summer League.

Link (http://hoopshype.com/summer_leagues.htm)

That is one of a number of good sites that keep up with the individual invitations and signings before the teams release their final rosters.

Here are a few more full ones:
Knicks:
http://www.nba.com/knicks/knicks-announce-las-vegas-summer-league-roster
Pistons:
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-announce-schedule-and-roster-orlando-summer-league-0
Bucks (Jabari Parker):
http://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-announce-2014-summer-league-roster

I officially hate the Thunder for not announcing theirs at this point, which would have given us the full Orlando list.

[theAlaskanBear]

That is one of a number of good sites that keep up with the individual invitations and signings before the teams release their final rosters.

Here are a few more full ones:
Knicks:
http://www.nba.com/knicks/knicks-announce-las-vegas-summer-league-roster
Pistons:
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-announce-schedule-and-roster-orlando-summer-league-0
Bucks (Jabari Parker):
http://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-announce-2014-summer-league-roster

I officially hate the Thunder for not announcing theirs at this point, which would have given us the full Orlando list.

The Thunder list is up on the official summer league website. Highlights include Nolan Smith, John Stockton's Son, Mitch McGary, NBAers Jeremy Lamb, Steven Adams. Pretty decent summer league roster, actually. Would love to see Nolan make the team...he is getting older, needs get an opportunity pretty soon or teams will start to view him as a guy who cant make the big club.

[awhom111]

All five games from Orlando tomorrow will live on NBATV (times EDT, late games might be delayed by length of earlier games):
9:00am Brooklyn vs Indiana
11:00am Miami vs Boston
1:00pm Orlando vs Philadelphia
3:00pm Detroit vs Houston
5:00pm Memphis vs Oklahoma City

[awhom111]

The Thunder list is up on the official summer league website. Highlights include Nolan Smith, John Stockton's Son, Mitch McGary, NBAers Jeremy Lamb, Steven Adams. Pretty decent summer league roster, actually. Would love to see Nolan make the team...he is getting older, needs get an opportunity pretty soon or teams will start to view him as a guy who cant make the big club.

It does not seem like they want to do an official press release so I will just link the picture they tweeted out.

https://twitter.com/okcthunder/status/485129631238877184/photo/1

Nolan seems to have gotten enough interest in his overseas season to get a couple of partially-guaranteed offers. It looks like he favors Oklahoma City. That seemed like a place that would fit for him a few months ago, but Reggie Jackson emerged late in the season, then they picked up the draft rights to Semaj Christon, and now they also signed Sebastian Telfair, so the crowding in the backcourt concerns me. That said, a strong performance this week, and he should be able to at least get some good impressions out there before training camp.

[awhom111]

Mason was one of the star players on Day 1 of the summer league, with 23 points and 7 rebounds in 24 minutes in a 101-81 Brooklyn win over Indiana.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/BKNIND/gameinfo.html

Andre was out as Miami lost 85-77 to Boston.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/MIABOS/gameinfo.html

Seth had 9 points in 24 minutes as Orlando beat Philadelphia 83-77.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/ORLPHI/gameinfo.html

No Duke player involved in the fourth game as Detroit beat Houston 95-89.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/DETHOU/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

Nolan had 3 points in 22 minutes as Oklahoma City lost to Memphis 84-63.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/MEMOKC/gameinfo.html

Tomorrow's schedule (all on NBATV, times EDT):
3:00pm Memphis vs Detroit
5:00pm Philadelphia vs Oklahoma City
7:00pm Miami vs Brooklyn

[theAlaskanBear]

Mason was one of the star players on Day 1 of the summer league, with 23 points and 7 rebounds in 24 minutes in a 101-81 Brooklyn win over Indiana.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/BKNIND/gameinfo.html

Andre was out as Miami lost 85-77 to Boston.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/MIABOS/gameinfo.html

Seth had 9 points in 24 minutes as Orlando beat Philadelphia 83-77.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/ORLPHI/gameinfo.html

No Duke player involved in the fourth game as Detroit beat Houston 95-89.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/DETHOU/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

Nolan had 3 points in 22 minutes as Oklahoma City lost to Memphis 84-63.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140705/MEMOKC/gameinfo.html

Tomorrow's schedule (all on NBATV, times EDT):
3:00pm Memphis vs Detroit
5:00pm Philadelphia vs Oklahoma City
7:00pm Miami vs Brooklyn

I watched the Magic-Sixers game yesterday. Seth looked pretty good. He didn't shoot a great precentage, but he played a nice overall game, good defense, nice passing (in fact, a better passing game than either Oladipo or Payton), solid ball handling. He was one of the smaller players on the court, only Casper Ware and Pierre Jackson were smaller...Elfrid Payton is a big guard, definitely has the size, but he looked very wooden/uncomfortable out there...I think he was crazy nervous. Also, lets talk about Noel...he had a nice game, I was really impressed with his free throw shooting -- nice stroke and 7/7. He had active hands with several deflections and steals. However, he is still a project offensively. He has a couple of nice looking bank shots, but overall just awkward shots. Terrible jumpshots. More concerning to me is his rebounding. 2 rebounds....not sure what was going on there...yeah Orlando had a big man at C...but grab more than 2 rebounds jeez. Noel looks more ripped/muscular, but he is definitely going to struggle this year due to his strength. He wont be able to establish post position against real NBA centers, he has a non-existant jumpshot, and while his defense looked pretty good....you have to be doing something wrong to only snag 2 rebounds in a summer league game.

[dukelifer]

I watched the Magic-Sixers game yesterday. Seth looked pretty good. He didn't shoot a great precentage, but he played a nice overall game, good defense, nice passing (in fact, a better passing game than either Oladipo or Payton), solid ball handling. He was one of the smaller players on the court, only Casper Ware and Pierre Jackson were smaller...Elfrid Payton is a big guard, definitely has the size, but he looked very wooden/uncomfortable out there...I think he was crazy nervous. Also, lets talk about Noel...he had a nice game, I was really impressed with his free throw shooting -- nice stroke and 7/7. He had active hands with several deflections and steals. However, he is still a project offensively. He has a couple of nice looking bank shots, but overall just awkward shots. Terrible jumpshots. More concerning to me is his rebounding. 2 rebounds....not sure what was going on there...yeah Orlando had a big man at C...but grab more than 2 rebounds jeez. Noel looks more ripped/muscular, but he is definitely going to struggle this year due to his strength. He wont be able to establish post position against real NBA centers, he has a non-existant jumpshot, and while his defense looked pretty good....you have to be doing something wrong to only snag 2 rebounds in a summer league game.

Wonder if he is protecting the knee and is not yet confident to bang where there is a chance of uncertain landings. Mason needs to work on his jump shooting. If he develops that part of his game he will be solid NBA player for years.

[kAzE]

That is one of a number of good sites that keep up with the individual invitations and signings before the teams release their final rosters.

Here are a few more full ones:
Knicks:
http://www.nba.com/knicks/knicks-announce-las-vegas-summer-league-roster
Pistons:
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detroit-pistons-announce-schedule-and-roster-orlando-summer-league-0
Bucks (Jabari Parker):
http://www.nba.com/bucks/release/bucks-announce-2014-summer-league-roster

I officially hate the Thunder for not announcing theirs at this point, which would have given us the full Orlando list.

What the hell?? Giannis Antetokounmpo was 6'9" last year, and now they're listing him at 6'11"! By this time next year, he'll be like 7'2" probably. All I know is, he better learn the play the 3, because he was way better as a 2 last year, and at 6'11", he ain't playing shooting guard anymore haha.

I love that Bucks summer league roster though, they have good, young players out there. People are sleeping on Nate Wolters big time. I watched him a little bit last year, and he can play. He's also got major size at the point guard position (6'4"). I loved Johnny O;Bryant as a 2nd round pick for this team as well, he'll bring some toughness and hustle. Jabari and Greek Freak might be the best 1/2 combo in terms of talent in the summer league.

[theAlaskanBear]

What the hell?? Giannis Antetokounmpo was 6'9" last year, and now they're listing him at 6'11"! By this time next year, he'll be like 7'2" probably. All I know is, he better learn the play the 3, because he was way better as a 2 last year, and at 6'11", he ain't playing shooting guard anymore haha.

I love that Bucks summer league roster though, they have good, young players out there. People are sleeping on Nate Wolters big time. I watched him a little bit last year, and he can play. He's also got major size at the point guard position (6'4"). I loved Johnny O;Bryant as a 2nd round pick for this team as well, he'll bring some toughness and hustle. Jabari and Greek Freak might be the best 1/2 combo in terms of talent in the summer league.

Why would Giannis' size prevent him from playing the two position? If he can use his combination of quickness and length to guard SGs, then it doesn't matter how tall he is. Many SFs will be switched onto SGs during pick and rolls and in transition anyway. The SG/SF label when it comes to guys like Durant, Ariza, Nick Young, etc etc is pretty flexible. Take Durant for example -- Giannis actually has a better 3-pt shot at the same age, and comparable FG% inside of 3-ft. What Giannis doesn't have is the mid-range 3-21 ft game, but he doesn't shoot from there so it doesn't matter so much. In fact, the age 19 TS% between the two players is only .001 off.

The key to determining Giannis' position going forward will be if they can find someone a more talented SG or SF to play alongside him. A lot depends on Jabari's development. Does Jabari wind up a Paul Pierce type SF, or an offensively flexible 4, like this years Paul Millsap? Personally, I think Knight is more a SG than a PG and will wind up playing SG if he stays with the Bucks. That would mean a lineup like Wolters-Knight-Giannis-Parker-Sanders. But the scuttlebutt is that the Bucks are looking to acquire a point guard, they have expressed interest in both signing RFA Bledsoe (would probably be matched by Suns) or trading for Jeremy Lin.

[kAzE]

Why would Giannis' size prevent him from playing the two position? If he can use his combination of quickness and length to guard SGs, then it doesn't matter how tall he is. Many SFs will be switched onto SGs during pick and rolls and in transition anyway. The SG/SF label when it comes to guys like Durant, Ariza, Nick Young, etc etc is pretty flexible. Take Durant for example -- Giannis actually has a better 3-pt shot at the same age, and comparable FG% inside of 3-ft. What Giannis doesn't have is the mid-range 3-21 ft game, but he doesn't shoot from there so it doesn't matter so much. In fact, the age 19 TS% between the two players is only .001 off.

The key to determining Giannis' position going forward will be if they can find someone a more talented SG or SF to play alongside him. A lot depends on Jabari's development. Does Jabari wind up a Paul Pierce type SF, or an offensively flexible 4, like this years Paul Millsap? Personally, I think Knight is more a SG than a PG and will wind up playing SG if he stays with the Bucks. That would mean a lineup like Wolters-Knight-Giannis-Parker-Sanders. But the scuttlebutt is that the Bucks are looking to acquire a point guard, they have expressed interest in both signing RFA Bledsoe (would probably be matched by Suns) or trading for Jeremy Lin.

I'd have concerns defensively if he continues to play the 2. He's a good athlete, but he's not on Kevin Durant's level of agility and quickness. Also, when has KD played as a 2? He's usually OKC's 3, and when he's not, he's the 4 in their small lineup with Ibaka moving over to the 5. And even then, KD's not the ideal fit at the 4 because of his lack of strength or a post-up game. guys with this type of frame are a bit pigeon holed into the 3. They aren't quick enough to defend smaller shooting guards, and not strong enough to bang with most guys at the 4. Giannis is certainly not even close to filling out his body yet, so it's hard to foresee what he will eventually develop into.

There aren't necessarily a ton of talented shooting guards in the league at the moment, but I just have a hard time imagining Giannis chasing around guys like Monta Ellis, Goran Dragic, etc. He already wasn't quick enough or coordinated enough to stop guys like that, and it'll be even tougher standing at 6'11". You don't just grow 2 inches and keep the same level of quickness. There's always a tradeoff between size and quickness.

[Des Esseintes]

I'd have concerns defensively if he continues to play the 2. He's a good athlete, but he's not on Kevin Durant's level of agility and quickness. Also, when has KD played as a 2? He's usually OKC's 3, and when he's not, he's the 4 in their small lineup with Ibaka moving over to the 5. And even then, KD's not the ideal fit at the 4 because of his lack of strength or a post-up game. guys with this type of frame are a bit pigeon holed into the 3. They aren't quick enough to defend smaller shooting guards, and not strong enough to bang with most guys at the 4. Giannis is certainly not even close to filling out his body yet, so it's hard to foresee what he will eventually develop into.

There aren't necessarily a ton of talented shooting guards in the league at the moment, but I just have a hard time imagining Giannis chasing around guys like Monta Ellis, Goran Dragic, etc. He already wasn't quick enough or coordinated enough to stop guys like that, and it'll be even tougher standing at 6'11". You don't just grow 2 inches and keep the same level of quickness. There's always a tradeoff between size and quickness.
Yeah, playing Durant at the 2 was part of what got PJ Carlesimo fired. Brooks immediately moved him to the 3 upon taking the reins, and Durant's performance on both sides of the ball improved markedly.

[awhom111]

Detroit beat Memphis 85-82 with no Duke players on either side:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140706/MEMDET/gameinfo.html

Philadelphia beat Oklahoma City 84-73 with Nolan scoring 2 points in 9 minutes:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140706/PHIOKC/gameinfo.html

No more pointing out other players' low rebounding numbers as Mason only grabbed 1, but had 18 points in 23 minutes. Andre had 9 points in 16 minutes in his debut as he and Miami beat Brooklyn 110-91:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140706/PHIOKC/gameinfo.html

Tomorrow's schedule (all live on NBATV, times EDT):
3:00pm Indiana vs Boston
5:00pm Houston vs Orlando (Seth)
7:00pm Oklahoma City (Nolan) vs Brooklyn (Mason)

[theAlaskanBear]

Detroit beat Memphis 85-82 with no Duke players on either side:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140706/MEMDET/gameinfo.html

Philadelphia beat Oklahoma City 84-73 with Nolan scoring 2 points in 9 minutes:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140706/PHIOKC/gameinfo.html

No more pointing out other players' low rebounding numbers as Mason only grabbed 1, but had 18 points in 23 minutes. Andre had 9 points in 16 minutes in his debut as he and Miami beat Brooklyn 110-91:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140706/PHIOKC/gameinfo.html

Tomorrow's schedule (all live on NBATV, times EDT):
3:00pm Indiana vs Boston
5:00pm Houston vs Orlando (Seth)
7:00pm Oklahoma City (Nolan) vs Brooklyn (Mason)

I watched the last two games, nothing really of note about the Philly game. Nolan was so/so...was picked by Aaron Craft a couple of times, 1/2 from the field. Didn't get a lot of burn due to Semaj Christon playing most of the PG minutes.

The game between the Heat and the Nets was fun to watch. Pretty thorough win by the Heat. Mason was clearly the most skilled big on the floor, but Heat 7-footer Josh Hamilton did a great job as well. He was good at boxing out Plumlee, and also because of his shooting, he pulled Mason away from the basket many times to let the smaller guards and forward pick up rebounds. I would have hoped Mason would do a better job leveraging his speed and strength against Hamilton on the defensive end, but offensively no one could stop him. Hamilton is an NBA big, he looks ready to get PT for the Heat.

Dawkins hit some threes, his shot was looking great as always. He would have scored 12 pts but he had a 3-pter waved off due to an offensive foul by a team mate. He had some nice cross-court and baseline runs to get free on the opposite line, but overall he was a touch passive on the offensive end. He would run to a corner, and wait for the ball to be delivered to him. There was one play in particular where Dawkins is on the left side, Shabazz is maybe four or 5 feet away further up the line, he gets trapped, and Dawkins doesn't run to him, try to help, he just stands there with his hands open like Bazz can pass it to him. He also had a great 3/4 court pass to Larry Drew for a bucket on the other end. He also had a three blocked...It would be nice if he would work a few pump fakes into his game and take some midrange/long twos or sidestep like we saw at Duke, because the defenders are pretty much just sitting in his shorts.

Shabazz Napier had a tremendous game...he is by far the best point guard I have seen to this point ;) . Great passes, he controlled the game, had his team mates listening and following orders. Made shots, overall just looked ready, good. Made everyone else better. The two man game between Hamilton and Napier was pretty nice as well. Bazz also completed a between the legs pass against Plumlee for a bucket. Ennis was hot, he is proving to be a nice scorer. For the Nets, other than Plumlee, only Markel Brown stood out for me.

[CDu]

Shabazz Napier had a tremendous game...he is by far the best point guard I have seen to this point ;) . Great passes, he controlled the game, had his team mates listening and following orders. Made shots, overall just looked ready, good. Made everyone else better. The two man game between Hamilton and Napier was pretty nice as well. Bazz also completed a between the legs pass against Plumlee for a bucket. Ennis was hot, he is proving to be a nice scorer. For the Nets, other than Plumlee, only Markel Brown stood out for me.

Napier had a much better second game (17 points on 6-12, 7 assists, 5 turnovers). That I guess makes up for his train wreck of a first game. Against Boston on Saturday he went 3-15 with 2 assists to 8 turnovers.

Though it is worth noting that on Sunday he was playing against noted NBA flameout Marquis Teague, who has made plenty of PG look good in his day.

[kAzE]

Best player so far is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Guy is making a name for himself right now. Is this just another case of Anthony Randolph (guy does really well in summer league, but never translates to real NBA games), or is he for real? Since he's a 2 guard, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. The league could use a big boost at that position.

Also, I think MP2 is proving he's a starting power forward in the NBA.

[FerryFor50]

Best player so far is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Guy is making a name for himself right now. Is this just another case of Anthony Randolph (guy does really well in summer league, but never translates to real NBA games), or is he for real? Since he's a 2 guard, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. The league could use a big boost at that position.

Also, I think MP2 is proving he's a starting power forward in the NBA.

I think the fact that the Nets will now have a *real* coach, MP2 will be getting actual minutes.

[kAzE]

I think the fact that the Nets will now have a *real* coach, MP2 will be getting actual minutes.

I'm still bitter that I lost a $20 bet that Mason would get drafted in the lottery last year. If they redid last year's draft, he'd absolutely go top 10 at least, and definitely ahead of Anthony Bennett.

[FerryFor50]

I'm still bitter that I lost a $20 bet that Mason would get drafted in the lottery last year. If they redid last year's draft, he'd absolutely go top 10 at least, and definitely ahead of Anthony Bennett.

I think that if Mason had been in this year's draft, after Miles had his breakthrough season, he might have gone in the lottery. The general consensus has always been that MP2 > MP1.

[FerryFor50]

Mitch McGary is having an historic performance in summer league..

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[CDu]

Mitch McGary is having an historic performance in summer league..

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Meh. Should have scored more points with all those rebounds...

[BD80]

Best player so far is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Guy is making a name for himself right now. Is this just another case of Anthony Randolph (guy does really well in summer league, but never translates to real NBA games), or is he for real? Since he's a 2 guard, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. The league could use a big boost at that position. ...

The Pistons could use any boost at that position - their best option has been Singler playing out of position


Mitch McGary is having an historic performance in summer league..

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How many missed shots were there? Summer league shooting is really bad ...

[awhom111]

Here are some more rosters from the last few days including an actual press release from the Thunder. Teams that released theirs after the D League should be ashamed of themselves since in theory the D League needs to wait until the NBA teams pick their players before they can finalize their own roster. Speaking of this team, Olek Czyz will play on it although he has also apparently signed in Italy.

Thunder:
http://www.nba.com/thunder/basketballnews/release_summer_league_2014
Raptors:
http://www.nba.com/raptors/raptors-announce-2014-nba-summer-league-roster
Mavericks:
http://www.mavs.com/2014-dallas-mavericks-summer-league-roster/
Timberwolves:
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/timberwolves-announce-samsung-nba-summer-league-2014-roster-and-camp-information
Trailblazers:
http://www.nba.com/blazers/trail-blazers-summer-league-roster
Jazz:
http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-host-2014-mini-camp-salt-lake
Warriors:
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/warriors-announce-2014-summer-league-roster-t.v.-schedule
Suns:
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/suns-2014-summer-league-roster-announced
D League:
http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/nba_dleague_select_team_roster_2014.html

Today's games:
Indiana beat Boston 96-77.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140707/INDBOS/gameinfo.html
Seth had 10 points in 17 minutes as Orlando beat Houston 87-69.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140707/HOUORL/gameinfo.html
Nolan got to play the bulk of the minutes at point guard with Semaj Christon resting and he had 11 points in 22 minutes as Oklahoma City beat Brooklyn 98-84. Mason led his team with 13 points and 6 rebounds in 23 minutes.
Boxscore (with correct McGary rebounds):
http://www.nba.com/games/20140707/OKCBKN/gameinfo.html

Tomorrow (live on NBATV, times EDT):
3:00pm Orlando (Seth) vs Memphis
5:00pm Miami (Andre) vs Detroit
7:00pm Houston vs Philadelphia

[brevity]

Mitch McGary is having an historic performance in summer league..

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Wow! McGary must have grabbing rebounds like they were Cheetos. He really could be the Robert Parish (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/26/sports/sports-people-basketball-parish-admits-validity-of-marijuana-charge.html) of his generation.

[zoroaster]

Wow! McGary must have grabbing rebounds like they were Cheetos. He really could be the Robert Parish (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/26/sports/sports-people-basketball-parish-admits-validity-of-marijuana-charge.html) of his generation.

D'oh. Read down to the second-to-last paragraph. :o Our guy did plead innocent, though.

[kAzE]

Cavs Official Roster: http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/summer-league-roster-140708

Solid team, I think Bennett will be playing with a chip on his shoulder, and Wiggins should be able to dominate. He'll be most talented guy in the league not named Jabari. Matt Dellavedova, Joe Harris, and Carrick Felix should all make the Cavs roster. I still think the Bucks have the most talented team in Vegas, though.

[JNort]

Idc how big a chip is on Bennett's shoulder, he will still not be a rotation player. IMO biggest bust in history, I'll take Adam Morrison or Kwame all day

[FerryFor50]

Idc how big a chip is on Bennett's shoulder, he will still not be a rotation player. IMO biggest bust in history, I'll take Adam Morrison or Kwame all day

WAY too early to call Bennett a total bust, much less the biggest bust in NBA history.

As for the comps you mentioned, Morrison had a fine rookie season (11.8ppg, 33% behind the arc) but got injured and never was able to get back to any success. Hard to knock a player for getting injured. For example, I wouldn't call Bobby Hurley or Jay Williams "busts" since injuries derailed their careers. And Kwame Brown had the same misfortune as Morrison - being drafted by Jordan. Only Kwame had to suffer being berated over and over by MJ in practices. He ended up carving out a solid career as a role playing big.

The only thing that made the Kwame Brown pick so bad was who got drafted after him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_draft

Chandler, Gasol... heck, you could argue even Eddy Curry have had better NBA careers. But the 2001 draft, like most drafts, was a crapshoot. And by crapshoot, I mean, full of crappy players. Pretty weak overall.

As for Morrison, he was drafted 3rd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_draft

But really, look at the picks after him. Not exactly chock full of stars. Any team would have made the same mistake.

I wouldn't call Morrison or Brown the biggest busts ever. I'd call guys like Olowokandi, Stromile Swift, Marcus Fizer, Darko Milicic, Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Kent Benson as bigger busts.

[JNort]

WAY too early to call Bennett a total bust, much less the biggest bust in NBA history.

As for the comps you mentioned, Morrison had a fine rookie season (11.8ppg, 33% behind the arc) but got injured and never was able to get back to any success. Hard to knock a player for getting injured. For example, I wouldn't call Bobby Hurley or Jay Williams "busts" since injuries derailed their careers. And Kwame Brown had the same misfortune as Morrison - being drafted by Jordan. Only Kwame had to suffer being berated over and over by MJ in practices. He ended up carving out a solid career as a role playing big.

The only thing that made the Kwame Brown pick so bad was who got drafted after him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_draft

Chandler, Gasol... heck, you could argue even Eddy Curry have had better NBA careers. But the 2001 draft, like most drafts, was a crapshoot. And by crapshoot, I mean, full of crappy players. Pretty weak overall.

As for Morrison, he was drafted 3rd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NBA_draft

But really, look at the picks after him. Not exactly chock full of stars. Any team would have made the same mistake.

I wouldn't call Morrison or Brown the biggest busts ever. I'd call guys like Olowokandi, Stromile Swift, Marcus Fizer, Darko Milicic, Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Kent Benson as bigger busts.


I have Kwame and Morrison because they are the go to names in "bust" talk. My thing with with Bennett is he looked terrible coming out and was a tweener. To slow, to small, can't shoot I couldn't believe it when I heard he was projected top 5.

[CDu]

Just announced today on bulls.com

[CDu]

Also, along with Lance Thomas, it looks like the Bulls have brought in a dead guy for summer league:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-2014-nba-summer-league-roster

[BD80]

Also, along with Lance Thomas, it looks like the Bulls have brought in a dead guy for summer league:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-2014-nba-summer-league-roster

Posthumus isn't dead, he's merely resting. I think he was stunned...

[niveklaen]

Posthumus isn't dead, he's merely resting. I think he was stunned...

They also have David freakin Wear on their summer roster

[awhom111]

Here is the latest set of rosters including the last two linked:
Bulls:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-2014-nba-summer-league-roster
Cavs:
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/summer-league-roster-140708
Hawks:
http://www.nba.com/hawks/2014-atlanta-hawks-summer-league-roster
Spurs:
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/140708_spurs_summer_league_roster
Clippers:
http://www.nba.com/clippers/clippers-2014-nba-summer-league-roster

Seth had 5 points in 14 minutes as Orlando lost 80-73 to Memphis.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140708/ORLMEM/gameinfo.html

Andre had 7 points in 17 minutes as Miami lost 80-78 to Detroit.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140708/MIADET/gameinfo.html

Philadelphia beat Houston 92-71.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140708/HOUPHI/gameinfo.html

Tomorrow (live on NBATV, times EDT):
3:00pm Indiana vs Oklahoma City (Nolan)
5:00pm Philadelphia vs Brooklyn (Mason)
7:00pm Boston vs Detroit

[kAzE]

Also, along with Lance Thomas, it looks like the Bulls have brought in a dead guy for summer league:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-2014-nba-summer-league-roster

I actually thought he was referring to Tony Snell, who actually looks like he could be an extra from the Walking Dead in that picture.

[CDu]

I actually thought he was referring to Tony Snell, who actually looks like he could be an extra from the Walking Dead in that picture.

Was referring to Posthumus, but Snell does look creepy.

[Henderson]

Mitch McGary is having an historic performance in summer league..

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And to think I was on his side because I thought marijuana wasn't a performance-enhancing drug.

Summer League starts in Las Vegas on Friday. Looking forward to it. It's like going to Spring Training baseball games. Except you can't keep the balls that fly into the stands.

[brevity]

Also, along with Lance Thomas, it looks like the Bulls have brought in a dead guy for summer league:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/bulls-announce-2014-nba-summer-league-roster

Not the first time this has happened.

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Pictured (left to right): Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James

[awhom111]

Here are the two missing rosters, which I think were being hidden in plain sight (why would you put news in the news section of your website anyway?):
Wizards:
http://wizardsmysticstoday.monumentalnetwork.com/2014/07/07/wizards-announce-2014-nba-summer-league-roster
Nuggets:
http://www.nba.com/nuggets/2014-summer-league-roster

Nolan had 3 points in 4 minutes as Oklahoma City lost 94-71 to Indiana.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140709/INDOKC/gameinfo.html

Mason was rested to a sore... guess? (foot of course) as Brooklyn lost 92-86 to Philadelphia.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140709/PHIBKN/gameinfo.html

Boston held off Detroit 92-90 in the finale.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140709/BOSDET/gameinfo.html

Tomorrow's games (live on NBATV, times EDT):
3:00pm Indiana vs Miami (Andre)
5:00pm Boston vs Orlando (Seth)
7:00pm Memphis vs Houston

[CDu]

With about 6 minutes to go in what is likely Miami's summer league team's last game in Orlando, Shabazz Napier is 2-12 from the field for 7 points and 4 assists. For the 4 games he's played, Napier has put up the following numbers:

3-15, 2 pts, 2 assists, 8 turnovers
6-12, 17 pts, 7 assists, 5 turnovers
3-11, 7 pts, 2 assists, 3 turnovers
2-12, 7 pts, 4 assists, 1 turnover (so far)

That's 14-50 (28%), 8.3 ppg, 3.8 apg, 3.8 topg. Not exactly a smooth showing for him this week in his introduction to pro basketball.

Maybe LeBron isn't the greatest scout in the world?

On the other hand, James Ennis has been terrific for Miami.

[Ichabod Drain]

With about 6 minutes to go in what is likely Miami's summer league team's last game in Orlando, Shabazz Napier is 2-12 from the field for 7 points and 4 assists. For the 4 games he's played, Napier has put up the following numbers:

3-15, 2 pts, 2 assists, 8 turnovers
6-12, 17 pts, 7 assists, 5 turnovers
3-11, 7 pts, 2 assists, 3 turnovers
2-12, 7 pts, 4 assists, 1 turnover (so far)

That's 14-50 (28%), 8.3 ppg, 3.8 apg, 3.8 topg. Not exactly a smooth showing for him this week in his introduction to pro basketball.

Maybe LeBron isn't the greatest scout in the world?

On the other hand, James Ennis has been terrific for Miami.

Marcus Smart is at about the same level. Through three games he's shooting 25% from the field and 18% from three. At least Napier wasn't the 6th pick.

[Duvall]

Marcus Smart is at about the same level. Through three games he's shooting 25% from the field and 18% from three. At least Napier wasn't the 6th pick.

Who could have predicted that Marcus Smart would shoot poorly at the next level?

[FerryFor50]

Who could have predicted that Marcus Smart would shoot poorly at the next level?

Everyone?

[Newton_14]

With about 6 minutes to go in what is likely Miami's summer league team's last game in Orlando, Shabazz Napier is 2-12 from the field for 7 points and 4 assists. For the 4 games he's played, Napier has put up the following numbers:

3-15, 2 pts, 2 assists, 8 turnovers
6-12, 17 pts, 7 assists, 5 turnovers
3-11, 7 pts, 2 assists, 3 turnovers
2-12, 7 pts, 4 assists, 1 turnover (so far)

That's 14-50 (28%), 8.3 ppg, 3.8 apg, 3.8 topg. Not exactly a smooth showing for him this week in his introduction to pro basketball.

Maybe LeBron isn't the greatest scout in the world?

On the other hand, James Ennis has been terrific for Miami.
Thanks for the stats and overview. Appreciate it. I am indifferent to Summer League play to be honest and don't feel it is a good indicator of how a kid will fare in the NBA. Over the years, there have been several guys to tear it up in the Summer League yet not be able to translate that level of success to the real deal on a NBA court. I like to reserve judgement on all these draft picks until we see them during the NBA Regular Season when it is real. Shabazz may or may not be good enough, but I would not bet against him. Put him on the floor with Lebron, Bosh, and Wade, and he may be an excellent fit and contributor. We won't know until we see him with first rate NBA teammates surrounding him. I think he can be better than Chalmers, even with the poor play so far in Summer League games.

Same for Marcus Smart, and like Duvall stated, we all know Smart can't shoot a lick from deep, but neither can Rondo. Dude can play though.

[awhom111]

One player who is not joining his team for summer league is Jusuf Nurkic, who decided to play in the B Division of the European U20 Championships to try to get Bosnia and Herzegovina promoted to A Division.

Today's games:

Andre had 6 points in 16 minutes as Miami lost to Indiana 84-74.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140710/INDMIA/gameinfo.html

Seth led Orlando with 15 points in 21 points as they lost 76-67 to Boston.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140710/BOSORL/gameinfo.html

Memphis beat Houston 88-74 to close out the "regular season".
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140710/MEMHOU/gameinfo.html

Using the summer league formula, here are the final standings:
Memphis 3-1 23pts
Philadephia 3-1 22pts
Indiana 3-1 21pts
Boston 3-1 21pts
Detroit 3-1 19pts
Orlando 2-2 16pts
Miami 1-3 13.5pts
Oklahoma City 1-3 12pts
Brooklyn 1-3 8pts
Houston 0-4 4.5pts

Tomorrow's Orlando games(times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
8:00am Orlando vs Detroit
10:00am Boston vs Indiana
12:00pm Philadelphia vs Memphis
2:00pm Oklahoma City vs Miami
4:00pm Houston vs Brooklyn (delayed to 4:00am EDT Saturday)

Tomorrow's Las Vegas games(times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
4:00pm New York vs Dallas
6:00pm Toronto vs Los Angeles Lakers
8:00pm Cleveland vs Milwaukee
8:30pm Golden State vs Charlotte (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 9:00am EDT Saturday)
10:00pm Sacramento vs San Antonio
10:30pm D League vs New Orleans (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 6:00am EDT Saturday)

[Furniture]

The commentators made some very complimentary comments about Seth!

[SilkyJ]

Over the years, there have been several guys to tear it up in the Summer League yet not be able to translate that level of success to the real deal on a NBA court.

Ah, but you're discussing the reverse scenario. How many guys have stunk it up in summer league and then had real success in the league? Don't actually know, but that's the trend I would look at.

Agree though, these summer league games aren't entirely telling, though they aren't as laughable as our summer pickup game stories, aka Appendix, part D (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?10527-DBR-Manifesto-%28AKA-Throaty-s-Handy-Pocket-Reference%29&p=672204#post672204). A lot of these kids are fighting to make rosters, so I think they're at least somewhat relevant b/c players are putting in real effort, but I don't put much stock in them.

[kAzE]

Here's a nice little intro to the Vegas league teams: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69500/the-back-of-the-envelope-guide-to-las-vegas-summer-league-the-east-2

I'm pretty excited to watch Jabari do his thing for the first time since the Mercer tragedy. I'm also pumped to see the future of the Cavs in action. Also, it should be wildly entertaining to see how Bruno Caboclo (Brazilian KD) does. I'm hoping he's actually good, that would be fun. The star power in Vegas is way better than in its Orlando counterpart. Should provide some fun NBA basketball in the middle of July.

[Kedsy]

Ah, but you're discussing the reverse scenario. How many guys have stunk it up in summer league and then had real success in the league? Don't actually know, but that's the trend I would look at.

Agree though, these summer league games aren't entirely telling, though they aren't as laughable as our summer pickup game stories, aka Appendix, part D (http://forums.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?10527-DBR-Manifesto-%28AKA-Throaty-s-Handy-Pocket-Reference%29&p=672204#post672204). A lot of these kids are fighting to make rosters, so I think they're at least somewhat relevant b/c players are putting in real effort, but I don't put much stock in them.

I don't put stock in points or rebounds or monster dunks or anything like that, but if you watch these games (and I admit I haven't watched any NBA summer league games) -- or even summer pickup games -- especially if you watch them live, I think there is a lot you can learn.

Who's the guy nobody can stay in front of? Or the guy the other team switches their best defensive player onto? Conversely, who's the guy who keeps making his move, getting nowhere, and launching a fade-away jumper (whether it goes in or not)? Who's the big defender who nobody will challenge at the rim? Conversely, who's the big who the players practically salivate when they get him one-on-one or on a switch? Which players cause the fans to perk up -- or almost groan -- every time they touch the ball?

If you know what you're watching for, you can tell who's a *player* and who isn't. The problem is figuring that out when you're getting your information via box scores or third-hand from people who are mesmerized by, e.g., Olek Czyz's breakaway dunks.

[nmduke2001]

If the feed to the boxscore is to be believed, Dre has 21 points in 13 minutes on only 11 shots. I hope he makes it. Come on Cleveland, sign Dre.

[Ichabod Drain]

If the feed to the boxscore is to be believed, Dre has 21 points in 13 minutes on only 11 shots. I hope he makes it. Come on Cleveland, sign Dre.

Now up to 27 points on 13 shots!

[FerryFor50]

Parker vs Wiggins on now

Parker is being very aggressive on offense so far - to the point where he is taking bad shots.

Wiggins hasn't done too much yet.

[mr. synellinden]

Watching the 4th quarter now, Jabari looks terrible - completely lost on both ends of the court. He also seems like he's out of shape - not appearance wise, just in his movement on the court. He has 1 point in the second half they just showed.

[FerryFor50]

Watching the 4th quarter now, Jabari looks terrible - completely lost on both ends of the court. He also seems like he's out of shape - not appearance wise, just in his movement on the court. He has 1 point in the second half they just showed.

I don't think he looks terrible. Just tired.

Plus, he's not really getting the ball.

[FerryFor50]

Parker just missed a tip dunk off a FT that would have tied it. To be fair, he got pushed a little by Anthony Bennett on the attempt.

[FerryFor50]

In the Golden State/Charlotte game...

PJ is 2-12 (1-8 from 3) so far for 7 points.
JMM is 4-5 with a couple steals for 11 points.

[NashvilleDevil]

Watching the 4th quarter now, Jabari looks terrible - completely lost on both ends of the court. He also seems like he's out of shape - not appearance wise, just in his movement on the court. He has 1 point in the second half they just showed.

I'm definitely selling my Jabari stock after one summer league game.

[MaxAMillion]

Watching the 4th quarter now, Jabari looks terrible - completely lost on both ends of the court. He also seems like he's out of shape - not appearance wise, just in his movement on the court. He has 1 point in the second half they just showed.

I watched some of the first half and I thought Parker looked pretty good. He is definitely out of shape. I keep waiting to see a lean Parker play basketball. Maybe that will happen this fall.

[mr. synellinden]

I'm definitely selling my Jabari stock after one summer league game.

Did you watch the game? - he was clearly fatigued in the second half and looked out of it during stretches. The point wasn't that he's not going to be a great NBA player. Just that he needs to get in shape because he looked much worse in the second half when he appeared gassed.

[Kedsy]

Did you watch the game? - he was clearly fatigued in the second half and looked out of it during stretches. The point wasn't that he's not going to be a great NBA player. Just that he needs to get in shape because he looked much worse in the second half when he appeared gassed.

I didn't see the game, and am not entirely surprised he may have run out of gas in the fourth quarter, but apparently Jabari shot 5 for 11 for the game, for 17 points and 9 rebounds (plus an assist and a steal).

One account I read stated:



It was an impressive showing for the No. 2 pick. He finished at the rim like a veteran and was able to use both hands well. Parker was the ball handler and roll man in pick-and-roll situations, so he's showing he can play both forward spots. On the downside, he did look a little lost on defense.


Which sounds pretty consistent with his time at Duke.

Like I said, I didn't see the game, and I'm not disagreeing with your assessment. Just pointing out it wasn't all bad.


P.S.: At the same time, Noah Vonleh apparently missed all 13 of his shots from the field in his game and missed both his free throw attempts. At least he was consistent.

[Furniture]

He should have stayed at Duke (tongue in check). After all a Duke education is worth more than 24 million USD!

[awhom111]

Here were the final games in Orlando:

Seth had 10 points in 32 minutes as Orlando beat Detroit 96-87 in the 5th place game.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/ORLDET/gameinfo.html

Indiana beat Boston 95-86 in the 3rd place game.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/BOSIND/gameinfo.html

Philadelphia beat Memphis 91-75 to win the championship.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/BOSIND/gameinfo.html

Nolan had 4 points in 9 minutes as Oklahoma City beat Miami 103-98 despite a game high 27 points from Andre in 27 minutes in the 7th place game.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/OKCMIA/gameinfo.html

Mason was rested again as Brooklyn finishes in last place after losing 101-75 to Houston.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/HOUBKN/gameinfo.html


It was the start of the Las Vegas Summer League on Friday:

New York beat Dallas 76-64.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/NYKDAL/gameinfo.html

Toronto beat the Los Angeles Lakers 88-78.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/TORLAL/gameinfo.html

Jabari had 17 points and 9 rebounds in 30 minutes, but Milwaukee lost 70-68 to Cleveland.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/CLEMIL/gameinfo.html

Golden State beat Charlotte 70-58.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/GSWCHA/gameinfo.html

San Antonio beat Sacramento 85-69.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/SACSAS/gameinfo.html

New Orleans beat the D League Select 83-81 as Olek did not play, although he may be instead focusing on his next overseas gig.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140711/DLSNOP/gameinfo.html
Saturday's Schedule (times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
4:00pm Portland vs New York
4:30pm Atlanta vs Washington
6:00pm Toronto vs Denver
6:30pm Dallas vs Minnesota (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 1:30am Sunday)
8:00pm Phoenix vs Golden State
8:30pm Chicago vs Los Angeles Clippers (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 4:00am Sunday)
10:00pm Houston vs Miami (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 8:00am Sunday, may be shown briefly live on NBATV before other game)
10:30pm Utah vs Philadelphia

[theAlaskanBear]

A wonderful day of basketball!

It was nice to see Andre get hot. He had some great passes, took it to the rim a couple of times, pump faked and drove for a pull up. Overall looked sharp.

Of course I also tuned into the Cavs Milwaukee game. I don't think Parker looked as bad as some have suggested. He came out aggressive, clearly pressing. But he hit a couple short range buckets at the rim with a nice soft touch, and settled into the game. His three point shot wasn't there tonight, but he did a nice job drawing contact, finishing in the lane, rebounding. He likes to push the ball up the court after rebounds. He played within the flow of the game. It was nice first performance.

[FerryFor50]

A wonderful day of basketball!

It was nice to see Andre get hot. He had some great passes, took it to the rim a couple of times, pump faked and drove for a pull up. Overall looked sharp.

Of course I also tuned into the Cavs Milwaukee game. I don't think Parker looked as bad as some have suggested. He came out aggressive, clearly pressing. But he hit a couple short range buckets at the rim with a nice soft touch, and settled into the game. His three point shot wasn't there tonight, but he did a nice job drawing contact, finishing in the lane, rebounding. He likes to push the ball up the court after rebounds. He played within the flow of the game. It was nice first performance.

By "some" you mean "one guy" right? :p

[NashvilleDevil]

Did you watch the game? - he was clearly fatigued in the second half and looked out of it during stretches. The point wasn't that he's not going to be a great NBA player. Just that he needs to get in shape because he looked much worse in the second half when he appeared gassed.

I watched the first half and thought he looked pretty good. His coast to coast layup was pretty sick.

[Bob Green]

Dawkins displaying impeccable shooting form:

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Good luck in Las Vegas, I hope you rip 'em up!

[theAlaskanBear]

By "some" you mean "one guy" right? :p

Well you know, it is courteous not to single out one person. Less likely to get defensive or turn into an argument. Message board psychology ;)

[awhom111]

Saturday's Games:

New York edged Portland 71-69.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/PORNYK/gameinfo.html

Washington beat Atlanta 90-74.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/ATLWAS/gameinfo.html

Denver beat Toronto 104-83.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/TORDEN/gameinfo.html

Dallas beat Minnesota 93-85.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/DALMIN/gameinfo.html

Seth had 6 points in 18 minutes and Miles had 3 points and 9 rebounds in 27 minutes, but Phoenix lost 74-72 to Golden State.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/PHXGSW/gameinfo.html

Lance had 9 points in 25 minutes as Chicago beat the Los Angeles Clippers 86-70.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/CHILAC/gameinfo.html

Andre had his first game with Houston against his former Miami teammates and finished with 10 points in 18 minutes in a 92-81 loss.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/HOUMIA/gameinfo.html

Rodney had 9 points and 8 rebounds in 28 minutes as Utah lost 74-70 to Philadelphia.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140712/UTAPHI/gameinfo.html
Sunday's Schedule (times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
4:00pm Cleveland vs San Antonio
4:30pm Los Angeles Lakers vs New Orleans (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 1:30am Monday)
6:00pm Sacramento vs Charlotte
6:30pm Atlanta vs D League Select (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 4:00am Monday)
8:00pm Chicago vs Denver
8:30pm Portland vs Houston
10:00pm Milwaukee vs Phoenix
10:30pm Washington vs Minnesota (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 9:00am Monday, end of game may be shown live at completion of other games)

[theAlaskanBear]

I had a pad full of summer notes from yesterday, but all I really want to say any more is that Dante Exum is legit.

[kAzE]

I didn't get a chance to watch any games on Friday, but I went back and watched the DVR on the Bucks/Cavs game, and I really, really liked what I saw from Andrew Wiggins. I didn't know about his mid range stepback jumper. He seems to be able to knock that down pretty consistently. I originally wanted the Cavs to draft Jabari, but now, I think it's clear that Wiggins was the right choice. They had no way of knowing LeBron was coming back, but he's going to be a perfect fit on the wing opposite LeBron. Both of them can play lock down D, and both are unstoppable on the fast break. Bill Simmons thinks LeBron is going to train Wiggins to be his Pippen, the way MJ did it. In a way, I think Pippen might be the best NBA comp for Wiggins. Awesome athlete, great defensive player, not a great shooter right now, but should develop into a good one. Now just think about if Jordan and Pippen had a third guy like Kyrie Irving . . . i'm so pumped for some Cavs basketball this year.

[Duvall]

Can we get a 7 Foul Club SPECIAL REPORT for today's Sacramento-Charlotte action?

[dukelifer]

Can we get a 7 Foul Club SPECIAL REPORT for today's Sacramento-Charlotte action?

I had to turn it off as the game was so bad

[dukelifer]

McDermott with 31. Kid can score.

[kAzE]

McDermott with 31. Kid can score.

Yep . . . this guy is gonna be good. Colin Cowherd actually said on his radio show that McDermott was going to be just another Adam Morrison or Jimmer Fredette . . . because he's white. He's soooooo wrong . . . .

[Billy Dat]

Seth filled it up for 20+ and Miles was throwing shots left and right. Jabari had a weak game. Looks like Suns will prevail.

[Furniture]

Seth filled it up for 20+ and Miles was throwing shots left and right. Jabari had a weak game. Looks like Suns will prevail.

Seth really did! When will he get signed up?

[Duke3517]

Miles Plumlee GET SOME against Parker

[BD80]

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/0C5A78B36C1100306786969436160_2b925144234.0.1.1331 6548868162313829.mp4?versionId=8YP7m.x18fwUIpzRT8H D7j8YLmHX.ZOa

[awhom111]

Can we get a 7 Foul Club SPECIAL REPORT for today's Sacramento-Charlotte action?

I am still trying to troll basketball players on Twitter.

Sunday's Games:

Cleveland beat San Antonio 82-70.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/CLESAS/gameinfo.html

New Orleans beat the Los Angeles Lakers 90-73.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/LALNOP/gameinfo.html

Sacramento beat Charlotte 72-65.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/SACCHA/gameinfo.html

The D League Select team finally won in sudden death overtime over Atlanta 94-92.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/ATLDLS/gameinfo.html

Lance had 8 points and 7 rebounds in 18 minutes as Chicago beat Denver 103-76.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/CHIDEN/gameinfo.html

Andre had 9 points in 21 minutes as Houston lost 75-67 to Portland.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/PORHOU/gameinfo.html

Seth had 26 points in 22 minutes and Miles had 6 points and 12 rebounds in 93-82 as Phoenix beat Milwaukee 93-82 with Jabari providing 11 points and 11 rebounds in 29 minutes.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/MILPHX/gameinfo.html

The night finished with Washington beating Minnesota 67-59.
Boxscore, hopefully with correct stats at some point:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140713/WASMIN/gameinfo.html

Monday's Schedule (times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
4:00pm New York vs Charlotte
4:30pm Sacramento vs D League Select, (delayed on NBATV at 9:00am Tuesday)
6:00pm Toronto vs Dallas
6:30pm San Antonio vs New Orleans (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 6:00am Tuesday)
8:00pm Cleveland vs Philadelphia
8:30pm Miami vs Los Angeles Clippers (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 4:00am Tuesday)
10:00pm Golden State vs Los Angeles Lakers
10:30pm Utah vs Milwaukee (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 12:00pm Tuesday, end of game may be shown live at completion of other games)

[dukelifer]

Seth filled it up for 20+ and Miles was throwing shots left and right. Jabari had a weak game. Looks like Suns will prevail.

As he was at Duke- Jabari is very good around the hoop- assuming he can get there. The problem is that his shooting is very inconsistent. He will need to put lots of hours in the gym to improve. His inability to shoot it well will make it very hard to get to the basket in the NBA as folks will play off him. Jabari is going to have his struggles this year- and will need to work it out. Fortunately no one watches the Bucks play and expects much so he can have a year to learn.

Seth can shoot the ball and score very quickly. His ball handling is improved. The Suns could be a good team for him. Hornacek may see a little of himself in Seth.

Miles just does his thing. He is working on his jumper. The Plumlee boys are suited for the NBA.

[Billy Dat]

As he was at Duke- Jabari is very good around the hoop- assuming he can get there. The problem is that his shooting is very inconsistent. He will need to put lots of hours in the gym to improve. His inability to shoot it well will make it very hard to get to the basket in the NBA as folks will play off him. Jabari is going to have his struggles this year- and will need to work it out. Fortunately no one watches the Bucks play and expects much so he can have a year to learn.

Seth can shoot the ball and score very quickly. His ball handling is improved. The Suns could be a good team for him. Hornacek may see a little of himself in Seth.

Miles just does his thing. He is working on his jumper. The Plumlee boys are suited for the NBA.

Derek Harper was doing color and made the point that Jabari seems better catching and shooting than creating his own outside shot. The lesson, to me, is that he needs to do a much better job of moving without the ball, and he also needs to get his butt into the block where he can really abuse people with his wide rear end. Still, though, he is lethal on the break and makes plenty of jaw dropping plays - it'll be interesting what genius coach Jason Kidd can design for him.

For what its worth, Seth looks like he put on about 20 pounds of muscle and Miles looks even huger, if that is possible.

[94duke]

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/0C5A78B36C1100306786969436160_2b925144234.0.1.1331 6548868162313829.mp4?versionId=8YP7m.x18fwUIpzRT8H D7j8YLmHX.ZOa

Nice! Looked like a Shane block.

[Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15]

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/0C5A78B36C1100306786969436160_2b925144234.0.1.1331 6548868162313829.mp4?versionId=8YP7m.x18fwUIpzRT8H D7j8YLmHX.ZOa

The two handed dirty block.

Dang.

[ice-9]

I didn't get a chance to watch any games on Friday, but I went back and watched the DVR on the Bucks/Cavs game, and I really, really liked what I saw from Andrew Wiggins. I didn't know about his mid range stepback jumper. He seems to be able to knock that down pretty consistently. I originally wanted the Cavs to draft Jabari, but now, I think it's clear that Wiggins was the right choice. They had no way of knowing LeBron was coming back, but he's going to be a perfect fit on the wing opposite LeBron. Both of them can play lock down D, and both are unstoppable on the fast break. Bill Simmons thinks LeBron is going to train Wiggins to be his Pippen, the way MJ did it. In a way, I think Pippen might be the best NBA comp for Wiggins. Awesome athlete, great defensive player, not a great shooter right now, but should develop into a good one. Now just think about if Jordan and Pippen had a third guy like Kyrie Irving . . . i'm so pumped for some Cavs basketball this year.

I didn't get to watch the game, but here was ESPN's take:


Andrew Wiggins, Cleveland Cavaliers | Grade: C+
Wiggins found ways to score inside, but his aversion to dribbling was well on display Friday. The athleticism, defense and transition game are all there. One of the most exciting plays of the entire day was a half-court alley-oop that just barely went over the fingertips of the flying Wiggins. Yes, 18 points look good, but a 1-for-8 night from 3-point range looks a little worse, and the way he got those points still needs to improve.

Jabari Parker, Milwaukee Bucks | Grade: A-
All we hear about Parker is his skills as a scorer, but on Friday we saw some of his distributing ability. The rookie might only have totaled one assist, but he moved the ball within the Bucks' offense and had a couple of beautiful interior passes to set up his teammates. Parker still scored at a commendable rate -- 17 points on 11 shots -- but in Las Vegas, between the facilitating and the nine boards, he showed exactly why he’s so much more than just a scorer.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69662/las-vegas-summer-league-day-1-standouts

[Furniture]

I watched the first of Jabari's game on Friday and I thought he looked really good. He made two or three NBA moves and had a couple of nice assists too. Wiggins also looked good. If he did tire in the second half it might have been because of the heat in the gym which was supposed to have been above 90 degrees F. The announcers also remarked on how much time he was on the court.

[nocilla]

I didn't get to watch the game, but here was ESPN's take:



http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69662/las-vegas-summer-league-day-1-standouts

Their Day 3 writeup in interesting as well;

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69687/las-vegas-summer-league-day-3-grades

"Jabari Parker, Milwaukee Bucks | Grade: D
Dreadful shot selection, bad decision-making, mental lapses defensively and selfish play marred Parker’s night, as he seemed uncomfortable with the idea of letting anyone else make a play with the ball. There’s pretty much no reason for someone with Parker’s speed and strength to draw just one shooting foul, especially against this level of competition. This was a troubling performance for the second overall pick."

"Seth Curry, Phoenix Suns | Grade: A
It runs in the family, right? Seth brought an NBA vibe to the proceedings, as there was something comforting about seeing a Curry wearing the No. 30 jersey bomb from deep and deliver daggers. Curry finished with 26 points on a tidy nine attempts, and with perimeter shooting at a premium around the league -- just look at what Stan Van Gundy’s paying in Detroit -- you have to think Curry helped his chances to land a roster spot this season with this barrage."

[theAlaskanBear]

Their Day 3 writeup in interesting as well;

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69687/las-vegas-summer-league-day-3-grades

"Jabari Parker, Milwaukee Bucks | Grade: D
Dreadful shot selection, bad decision-making, mental lapses defensively and selfish play marred Parker’s night, as he seemed uncomfortable with the idea of letting anyone else make a play with the ball. There’s pretty much no reason for someone with Parker’s speed and strength to draw just one shooting foul, especially against this level of competition. This was a troubling performance for the second overall pick."

"Seth Curry, Phoenix Suns | Grade: A
It runs in the family, right? Seth brought an NBA vibe to the proceedings, as there was something comforting about seeing a Curry wearing the No. 30 jersey bomb from deep and deliver daggers. Curry finished with 26 points on a tidy nine attempts, and with perimeter shooting at a premium around the league -- just look at what Stan Van Gundy’s paying in Detroit -- you have to think Curry helped his chances to land a roster spot this season with this barrage."

A little harsh on Parker. I watched the whole game. It was a poor shooting performance, but dreadful and selfish are adjectives that didn't describe his game at all. Parker was setting screens the whole game, and had trouble rolling to basket and getting passes off the pick and roll. When he got the ball, it was typically in no mans land around 15-20 feet, tried to make a play and would take a jumpshot or turn it over, or pull it out past the three point line and pass it. Overall the Milwaukee offense was disorganized. That said, he rebounded well, I noticed him blocking out and battling for board. He made one particularly bad defensive lapse, which I think came from his time at Duke not wanting to be in foul trouble. He had position in front of a guy on a semi fast break and just backed up out of bounds to let him score rather than stand straight up and take a block/charge call.

One of the announcers made a comment that Parker was more comfortable on catch and shoot jumpers, and that he was off balance on shots after dribbling....I would have to agree with this.

[gwlaw99]

A little harsh on Parker. I watched the whole game. It was a poor shooting performance, but dreadful and selfish are adjectives that didn't describe his game at all. Parker was setting screens the whole game, and had trouble rolling to basket and getting passes off the pick and roll. When he got the ball, it was typically in no mans land around 15-20 feet, tried to make a play and would take a jumpshot or turn it over, or pull it out past the three point line and pass it. Overall the Milwaukee offense was disorganized. That said, he rebounded well, I noticed him blocking out and battling for board. He made one particularly bad defensive lapse, which I think came from his time at Duke not wanting to be in foul trouble. He had position in front of a guy on a semi fast break and just backed up out of bounds to let him score rather than stand straight up and take a block/charge call.

One of the announcers made a comment that Parker was more comfortable on catch and shoot jumpers, and that he was off balance on shots after dribbling....I would have to agree with this.

The dribble scissor kick 3 was the bane of Jabari's existence in January. I am not sure why he returned to it. I also think he will be much more successful in a real offense and not summer league every man for himself offense.

[theAlaskanBear]

The dribble scissor kick 3 was the bane of Jabari's existence in January. I am not sure why he returned to it. I also think he will be much more successful in a real offense and not summer league every man for himself offense.


Every man for himself may have been part, in particular, when Wolters was on the bench no one looked for Jabari much. Especially Taylor. But I can't say I blame them. Parker is a #2 pick and will be playing heavy minutes no matter what, why pass it and watch him brick when you have fraction of possessions in X number of games to show your game. The rest of these guys (minus Wolters, Giannis) are fighting for their lives.

[SilkyJ]

I don't put stock in points or rebounds or monster dunks or anything like that, but if you watch these games (and I admit I haven't watched any NBA summer league games) -- or even summer pickup games -- especially if you watch them live, I think there is a lot you can learn.

Who's the guy nobody can stay in front of? Or the guy the other team switches their best defensive player onto? Conversely, who's the guy who keeps making his move, getting nowhere, and launching a fade-away jumper (whether it goes in or not)? Who's the big defender who nobody will challenge at the rim? Conversely, who's the big who the players practically salivate when they get him one-on-one or on a switch? Which players cause the fans to perk up -- or almost groan -- every time they touch the ball?

If you know what you're watching for, you can tell who's a *player* and who isn't. The problem is figuring that out when you're getting your information via box scores or third-hand from people who are mesmerized by, e.g., Olek Czyz's breakaway dunks.

Completely agree. No substitute for the acutely trained eye.

[SilkyJ]

Rodney filling it up with 29 points on 7-10 from deep! Truly Horvath-esque.

[awhom111]

Monday's Games:

New York beat Charlotte 95-72.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/NYKCHA/gameinfo.html

Sacramento beat the D League Select team 89-75.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/SACDLS/gameinfo.html

Dallas beat Toronto 88-57.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/TORDAL/gameinfo.html

San Antonio edged New Orleans 88-86.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/SASNOP/gameinfo.html

Cleveland beat Philadelphia 86-77.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/CLEPHI/gameinfo.html

The Los Angeles Clippers beat Miami 91-85.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/MIALAC/gameinfo.html

The Los Angeles Lakers ended the long Golden State summer league winning streak by prevailing 89-88 in overtime.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/GSWLAL/gameinfo.html

Rodney had 29 points in 28 minutes for Utah as they beat Milwaukee 87-71 as Jabari had 14 points in 28 minutes in the loss.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/UTAMIL/gameinfo.html

Tuesday's Schedule as the first stage of games draws to a close (times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
4:00pm Portland vs Atlanta
4:30pm Chicago vs Minnesota (delayed at 4:00am Wednesday on NBATV)
6:00pm Los Angeles Clippers vs Houston
6:30pm Miami vs Washington (live on ESPN3, delayed at 9:00am Wednesday on NBATV)
8:00pm Philadelphia vs Phoenix
8:30pm Utah vs Denver (live on ESPN3, delayed at 11:30pm on NBATV)

[Newton_14]

Completely agree. No substitute for the acutely trained eye.

I second SilkyJ's agreement. You can learn a lot watching a newbie in Summer League. I argued this a lot to no avail back when our guys were playing in the NC Pro-Am. It's certainly not the same as watching them against the ACC schedule or in this case the NBA schedule, but there are still things you can see in my opinion that are tell-tell signs if a kid can make it or not. I admit I am much better at evaluating a rising freshman the summer prior to his College Freshman season than I am evaluating a kid in the NBA who has never played NBA ball before. I just dont watch and study the NBA enough (Hijack alert! Other than watching every minute of the NBA Finals this year and recognizing the Spurs have the best offense on Planet Earth. Man was that a thing of beauty).

Back to the NBA Summer League, great for Hood with his 29. I think we all can agree he is going to make a fine Pro with his skillset and size. Same with Jabari (but my goodness son, for the love of the game, get some help learning how to play defense, and secondly for the love of all Duke fans, please get in shape! That 82 game schedule of 48 minute games is brutal. Physical Conditioning is critical. Still love you though JP. You will reach your goals)

[Billy Dat]

I didn't initially realize that Austin wasn't playing summer league, and some googling reveals that his situation in New Orleans is far from settled. Despite losing Anthony Morrow and Brian Roberts, this recent article makes it look like they aren't committed to him in a meaningful way:

http://www.nola.com/pelicans/index.ssf/2014/07/new_orleans_pelicans_offseason.html

I am guessing he isn't playing to make sure he doesn't get injured in case he is waived or something like that.

[kAzE]

Rodney had 29 points in 28 minutes for Utah as they beat Milwaukee 87-71 as Jabari had 14 points in 28 minutes in the loss.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140714/UTAMIL/gameinfo.html



Man, Hood is just continually getting disrespected, dropping probably 5 spots lower in the draft than he should have gone, and the guy doing the highlight said he's from NC State . . . come on, man.

[flyingdutchdevil]

Back to the NBA Summer League, great for Hood with his 29. I think we all can agree he is going to make a fine Pro with his skillset and size. Same with Jabari (but my goodness son, for the love of the game, get some help learning how to play defense, and secondly for the love of all Duke fans, please get in shape! That 82 game schedule of 48 minute games is brutal. Physical Conditioning is critical. Still love you though JP. You will reach your goals)

Been reading about Hood. I think teams are going to regret not taking him earlier. But I think he landed in a really nice team with the Jazz. Hood may not start, but he will absolutely get plenty of time with that sweet stroke. I also like that Hood wants to be a top defender in the league. With his shot, defense, and decent athleticism, he could be a top "3-and-D" player, a la Danny Green with a more versatile offensive arsenal. Say what you want about Danny Green, but he is a great player who listens to his coach, adds value, and doesn't destroy your salary cap.

Jabari loves offense. I think that's very clear. I wish he'd love defense too...

[Billy Dat]

Nice 5 minute ESPN True Hoop video with player developer David Thorpe commenting on the standouts of Summer League so far.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69733/truehoop-tv-summer-league-standouts

Lots of talk about Jabari being overweight and out of condition.

[kAzE]

Nice 5 minute ESPN True Hoop video with player developer David Thorpe commenting on the standouts of Summer League so far.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/69733/truehoop-tv-summer-league-standouts

Lots of talk about Jabari being overweight and out of condition.

Jabari . . . . get a personal chef and a nutritionist . . . we're all begging you.

Again, love everything I'm hearing about Andrew Wiggins. He just such a great fit with LeBron, you'd almost think they knew they were getting LeBron before draft night. Wiggins can't dribble, Kyrie, LeBron, Waiters, and Dellavedova can all dribble. Wiggins can guard the other team's best player, LeBron can rest a bit on D. Wiggins can shoot, LeBron finds open shooters. It's the perfect fit, and they'd be crazy to trade him for Love. Also . . . so many positive vibes about David Blatt. Thorpe already thinks he's a top 8 coach in the world . . . that's pretty crazy. I'm still not sold on Bennett, I think the only reason he's getting praise at this point is because of how bad he was last year, and how low his expectations are now. I'm glad he finally lost some weight, but those 6'8" tweener guys always have a tough time carving out a role in the NBA. He'll never be quick enough to be a 3, and he's not tall enough to be effective as a 4. Then again, if anybody can maximize his skills, it's LeBron. I think LeBron and Blatt will make it all work out.

[CDu]

Jabari . . . . get a personal chef and a nutritionist . . . we're all begging you.

Again, love everything I'm hearing about Andrew Wiggins. He just such a great fit with LeBron, you'd almost think they knew they were getting LeBron before draft night. Wiggins can't dribble, Kyrie, LeBron, Waiters, and Dellavedova can all dribble. Wiggins can guard the other team's best player, LeBron can rest a bit on D. Wiggins can shoot, LeBron finds open shooters. It's the perfect fit, and they'd be crazy to trade him for Love. Also . . . so many positive vibes about David Blatt. Thorpe already thinks he's a top 8 coach in the world . . . that's pretty crazy. I'm still not sold on Bennett, I think the only reason he's getting praise at this point is because of how bad he was last year, and how low his expectations are now. I'm glad he finally lost some weight, but those 6'8" tweener guys always have a tough time carving out a role in the NBA. He'll never be quick enough to be a 3, and he's not tall enough to be effective as a 4. Then again, if anybody can maximize his skills, it's LeBron. I think LeBron and Blatt will make it all work out.

Yeah, I think we're going to see how much better LeBron makes mediocre players look (in case we had forgotten this from his previous stint in Cleveland). Chalmers is returning to Miami and I suspect he'll look... suspect... without James. I think having James will mask some of the deficiencies of Bennett and Thompson.

And I agree that Wiggins is a fantastic player next to James and Irving.

The only thing that is glaringly missing right now in Cleveland is shooting. They don't really have anyone to space the floor for James and Irving to attack the rim. But I suspect they'll find some guys to fill that role.

[Billy Dat]

The only thing that is glaringly missing right now in Cleveland is shooting. They don't really have anyone to space the floor for James and Irving to attack the rim. But I suspect they'll find some guys to fill that role.

Seth Curry? Andre Dawkins?

That would be fun. Both have had breakout nights in Summer League, but we know its about more than one night, it's about every night. Seth was an every night guy at Duke, and he looks huge across the torso compared to the past. Andre....well....we'll see.

You know who I saw filling it up one night this week...Glen Rice Jr.

[CDu]

Seth Curry? Andre Dawkins?

That would be fun. Both have had breakout nights in Summer League, but we know its about more than one night, it's about every night. Seth was an every night guy at Duke, and he looks huge across the torso compared to the past. Andre....well....we'll see.

You know who I saw filling it up one night this week...Glen Rice Jr.

The problem is that those two guys play the same positions as the two guys with whom you want to pair James (Irving and Wiggins). So you really would like a stretch-4 to space the floor. And you hope that Wiggins can develop his 3-point shot to be an adequate "3 and D" guy to feed off of James' and Irving's penetration.

I mean, I guess it's a minor quibble, because James and (hopefully) Irving are good enough that they may not need great floor spacers. But it would surely help.

[kAzE]

Yeah, I think we're going to see how much better LeBron makes mediocre players look (in case we had forgotten this from his previous stint in Cleveland). Chalmers is returning to Miami and I suspect he'll look... suspect... without James. I think having James will mask some of the deficiencies of Bennett and Thompson.

And I agree that Wiggins is a fantastic player next to James and Irving.

The only thing that is glaringly missing right now in Cleveland is shooting. They don't really have anyone to space the floor for James and Irving to attack the rim. But I suspect they'll find some guys to fill that role.

I think shooting won't be that big of an issue. I think it's almost a given that Mike Miller and/or Ray Allen will join up with LeBron in Cleveland. There are some other teams such as Dallas who are going to try to make a run at Miller, but I think he'll be more interested in playing with LeBron, so he can just stand in the corner and shoot wide open threes. Also, I suspect Kyrie will work on improving his ability to catch and shoot. Kyrie is a fantastic shooter, and he's going to get a ton of open looks from LeBron operating in the paint. Bennett can hit mid range jumpers, which is one of his few strengths as a power forward. (He needs to dial it down from beyond the arc, though) And I think Wiggins will become a dependable spot up shooter in time. That's plenty of shooting. It's almost equal to what LeBron had in Miami, where his 2nd best guy (Wade) was never a 3 point shooter. It's just a shame they had to let go of Sergey Karasev, who I think can become something like Rodney Hood with his size and shooting ability. Plus, LeBron's not too bad a shooter himself these days, and he can play off Kyrie's ability to get in the paint as well.

[CDu]

I think shooting won't be that big of an issue. I think it's almost a given that Mike Miller and/or Ray Allen will join up with LeBron in Cleveland. There are some other teams such as Dallas who are going to try to make a run at Miller, but I think he'll be more interested in playing with LeBron, so he can just stand in the corner and shoot wide open threes. Also, I suspect Kyrie will work on improving his ability to catch and shoot. Kyrie is a fantastic shooter, and he's going to get a ton of open looks from LeBron operating in the paint. Bennett can hit mid range jumpers, which is one of his few strengths as a power forward. (He needs to dial it down from beyond the arc, though) And I think Wiggins will become a dependable spot up shooter in time. That's plenty of shooting. It's almost equal to what LeBron had in Miami, where his 2nd best guy (Wade) was never a 3 point shooter. It's just a shame they had to let go of Sergey Karasev, who I think can become something like Rodney Hood with his size and shooting ability.

Well, it's a LITTLE different than what they had in Miami. Firstly, Miami had Allen and (for a time) Miller. Right now, Cleveland doesn't have either. But Miami also had fantastic options at the "stretch 4" spot in Bosh and Lewis/Battier. Cleveland doesn't have a stretch 4 at all. Bennett is a capable mid-range shooter, but that's not a floor spacing quality (and as you note, he shouldn't be chucking 3s). So right now they're missing 2 or 3 of the pieces that Miami had to space the floor. Where Miami could put 3-4 true floor spacers around James, Cleveland can (right now) put just one.

Maybe Wiggins improves and make it 2, but that would then mitigate the value of Miller/Allen. And Cleveland may very well add Miller and/or Allen (though it remains to be seen if either will sign for the minimum just to play with James). But both of those guys play the same position as Wiggins/James. So neither is going to see a ton of time if Wiggins is as good as advertised. And if Wiggins is off the floor for either guy, that's a BIG step down defensively.

I really think that the next step is getting that stretch 4. He doesn't have to be as good as Bosh (boy would McRoberts look better than Bennett with James and Varejao on either side of him) but he needs to shoot better from range than Thompson/Bennett.

[kAzE]

Well, it's a LITTLE different than what they had in Miami. Firstly, Miami had Allen and (for a time) Miller. Right now, Cleveland doesn't have either. But Miami also had fantastic options at the "stretch 4" spot in Bosh and Lewis/Battier. Cleveland doesn't have a stretch 4 at all. Bennett is a capable mid-range shooter, but that's not a floor spacing quality (and as you note, he shouldn't be chucking 3s). So right now they're missing 2 or 3 of the pieces that Miami had to space the floor. Where Miami could put 3-4 true floor spacers around James, Cleveland can (right now) put just one.

Maybe Wiggins improves and make it 2, but that would then mitigate the value of Miller/Allen. And Cleveland may very well add Miller and/or Allen (though it remains to be seen if either will sign for the minimum just to play with James). But both of those guys play the same position as Wiggins/James. So neither is going to see a ton of time if Wiggins is as good as advertised. And if Wiggins is off the floor for either guy, that's a BIG step down defensively.

I really think that the next step is getting that stretch 4. He doesn't have to be as good as Bosh (boy would McRoberts look better than Bennett with James and Varejao on either side of him) but he needs to shoot better from range than Thompson/Bennett.

Wouldn't LeBron just be the stretch 4? That's basically what he was in Miami, where Bosh played center more than power forward. They could throw out Kyrie, Wiggins, Miller, and LeBron out there at the same time. I think that's actually what they will go with in crunch time.

[CDu]

Wouldn't LeBron just be the stretch 4? That's basically what he was in Miami, where Bosh played center more than power forward. They could throw out Kyrie, Wiggins, Miller, and LeBron out there at the same time. I think that's actually what they will go with in crunch time.

In Miami, LeBron played mostly at SF, with Lewis/Battier/Bosh playing the stretch 4 and Bosh/Anderson/Haslem playing C.

You could certainly move James to PF, but that would add a LOT of wear and tear on him defensively that I don't think you want to do.

[Des Esseintes]

In Miami, LeBron played mostly at SF, with Lewis/Battier/Bosh playing the stretch 4 and Bosh/Anderson/Haslem playing C.

You could certainly move James to PF, but that would add a LOT of wear and tear on him defensively that I don't think you want to do.

If only there was an elite PF shooter on the market. If he could also comfortably postup that would be great. Even better if he could bring topline rebounding. But no way such a player exists for Cleveland to pick up...

[CDu]

If only there was an elite PF shooter on the market. If he could also comfortably postup that would be great. Even better if he could bring topline rebounding. But no way such a player exists for Cleveland to pick up...

No idea who you could be talking about. But if that guy did exist, I'd definitely consider trading a guy who has never played a game in the NBA to get him. ;)

[Des Esseintes]

No idea who you could be talking about. But if that guy did exist, I'd definitely consider trading a guy who has never played a game in the NBA to get him. ;)

Wait. What if you had to throw in one of the biggest draft mistakes of the past decade as well? Would that change your thinking?

[awhom111]

Tuesday's Games:

Portland beat Atlanta 91-76.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/PORATL/gameinfo.html

Lance had 13 points and 6 rebounds in 20 minutes as Chicago beat Minnesota 107-73.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/CHIMIN/gameinfo.html

Andre had 14 points in 16 minutes as Houston beat the Los Angeles Clippers 83-60.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/LACHOU/gameinfo.html

Washington edged Miami 85-83.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/MIAWAS/gameinfo.html

Miles had 15 points and 11 rebounds in 29 minutes and Seth had 10 points in 24 minutes as Phoenix beat Philadelphia 97-88.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/PHIPHX/gameinfo.html

Rodney had 3 points in 22 minutes as Utah beat Denver 87-69.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/UTADEN/gameinfo.html

I do not really feel like explaining how exactly 24 teams that have played 3 games can be adequately ranked so I will just list seeds next to the team names. The top 8 teams get a bye with teams 9 through 24 starting elimination play on Wednesday.

Wednesday's Schedule (times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
4:00pm 9 Phoenix vs 24 Minnesota
4:30pm 10 Dallas vs 23 Charlotte (delayed on NBATV at 1:30am Thursday)
6:00pm 11 Golden State vs 22 Atlanta
6:30pm 12 San Antonio vs 21 Milwaukee (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 4:00am Thursday)
8:00pm 13 Miami vs 20 Los Angeles Clippers
8:30pm 14 Houston vs 19 Toronto (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBA TV at 6:00am Thursday)
10:00pm 15 D League Select vs 18 Denver
10:30pm 16 Philadelphia vs 17 Los Angeles Lakers (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 9:00am Thursday, may be joined in progress at the conclusion of other game)

[dukelifer]

Tuesday's Games:

Portland beat Atlanta 91-76.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/PORATL/gameinfo.html

Lance had 13 points and 6 rebounds in 20 minutes as Chicago beat Minnesota 107-73.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/CHIMIN/gameinfo.html

Andre had 14 points in 16 minutes as Houston beat the Los Angeles Clippers 83-60.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/LACHOU/gameinfo.html

Washington edged Miami 85-83.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/MIAWAS/gameinfo.html

Miles had 15 points and 11 rebounds in 29 minutes and Seth had 10 points in 24 minutes as Phoenix beat Philadelphia 97-88.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/PHIPHX/gameinfo.html

Rodney had 3 points in 22 minutes as Utah beat Denver 87-69.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140715/UTADEN/gameinfo.html

I do not really feel like explaining how exactly 24 teams that have played 3 games can be adequately ranked so I will just list seeds next to the team names. The top 8 teams get a bye with teams 9 through 24 starting elimination play on Wednesday.

Wednesday's Schedule (times EDT, live on NBATV unless otherwise noted):
4:00pm 9 Phoenix vs 24 Minnesota
4:30pm 10 Dallas vs 23 Charlotte (delayed on NBATV at 1:30am Thursday)
6:00pm 11 Golden State vs 22 Atlanta
6:30pm 12 San Antonio vs 21 Milwaukee (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 4:00am Thursday)
8:00pm 13 Miami vs 20 Los Angeles Clippers
8:30pm 14 Houston vs 19 Toronto (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBA TV at 6:00am Thursday)
10:00pm 15 D League Select vs 18 Denver
10:30pm 16 Philadelphia vs 17 Los Angeles Lakers (live on ESPN3, delayed on NBATV at 9:00am Thursday, may be joined in progress at the conclusion of other game)

Jabari struggling in this game so far. Lots of turnovers. The summer league has been a big learning experience for him.

[Furniture]

Nice words about Seth!
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/7/14/5898741/tyler-ennis-seth-curry-phoenix-suns

http://goldengatesports.com/2014/07/14/golden-state-warriors-why-seth-curry-is-better-than-nemanja-nedovic/

[BD80]

... Jabari loves offense. ... I wish he'd love defense too...

In all fairness, prior to Duke, he hadn't really been acquainted with defense. His attempts to get involved in the last year have been clumsy, but he might figure it out

[awhom111]

Today was the start of the playoffs with teams losing falling out of championship contention, but still having a consolation round game. Lower ranked teams had some success early in the day before the favorites found their stride. Brackets are being kept relatively up to date here:
PDF: https://turnernbahangtime.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/2014-summer-league-bracket-071514.pdf
Web: http://www.nba.com/summerleague/bracket/

Here were the games:

Miles had 10 points and 12 rebounds in 32 minutes and Seth had 9 points in 24 minutes, but Phoenix was beaten by the worst team so far, Minnesota 86-77.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/MINPHX/gameinfo.html

Charlotte beat Dallas 82-81 at the buzzer after nearly giving up a large lead.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/CHADAL/gameinfo.html

Atlanta held off defending champions Golden State 68-65.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/ATLGSW/gameinfo.html

Jabari had 16 points in 26 minutes in Milwaukee's 100-71 loss to San Antonio.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/MILSAS/gameinfo.html

Miami beat the Los Angeles Clippers 96-87.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/LACMIA/gameinfo.html

Andre had 13 points as Houston made a huge comeback to beat Toronto 93-77.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/TORHOU/gameinfo.html

The D League Select team beat Denver 87-75.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/DENDLS/gameinfo.html

Philadelphia beat the Los Angeles Lakers 85-63.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140716/LALPHI/gameinfo.html

Thursday's Schedule for the Second Round (times EDT, games will be shown on NBATV, but listings seem unreliable based on Wednesday):
4:00pm 8 Sacramento vs 24 Minnesota
4:30pm 7 New Orleans vs 23 Charlotte
6:00pm 6 Portland vs 22 Atlanta
6:30pm 5 Utah vs 12 San Antonio
8:00pm 4 Washington vs 13 Miami
8:30pm 3 Cleveland vs 14 Houston
10:00pm 2 New York vs 15 D League Select
10:30pm 1 Chicago vs 16 Philadelphia

[CDu]

I do not really feel like explaining how exactly 24 teams that have played 3 games can be adequately ranked so I will just list seeds next to the team names. The top 8 teams get a bye with teams 9 through 24 starting elimination play on Wednesday.

I'm a couple of days late on this, but the explanation is pretty simple. The seedings are based on two things:

1. overall record in their three games
2. number of quarters won in their 3 games

Chicago got the #1 seed because they won all 12 of their quarters played (I guess even in Summer League the Bulls follow the Thibs philosophy).

We can certainly question the quality of that system as a means of truly ranking the 24 teams. But it's a pretty easy formula.

[nmduke2001]

Did anyone else watch the Toronto v. Houston game last night? Toronto had a 26 point lead at half and Houston came back to win by 16. Toronto scored 5 points in the third. Dre did not shoot well at all but played very well. He played most of the second half. The commentators gave Dre a ton of praise for his aggressiveness during the comeback.

[Kedsy]

Dre did not shoot well at all but played very well. He played most of the second half. The commentators gave Dre a ton of praise for his aggressiveness during the comeback.

Andre averaged 22.9 points per 36 minutes in Orlando and is averaging 22.4 points per 36 in Vegas. A team could do a lot worse than having him sit at the end of its bench.

[Furniture]

I watched the first half and he didn't shoot very well but overall you could see that he had good intensity. Maybe he was a little nervous? Anyway, at one point he got the ball a called for a screen which is something I had never seen him do at Duke. Its on my DVR so I will definitely watch the second half. It will be interesting to see how Houston turned it around.

[awhom111]

Thursday's Schedule for the Second Round (times EDT, games will be shown on NBATV, but listings seem unreliable based on Wednesday):
4:00pm 8 Sacramento vs 24 Minnesota
4:30pm 7 New Orleans vs 23 Charlotte
6:00pm 6 Portland vs 22 Atlanta
6:30pm 5 Utah vs 12 San Antonio
8:00pm 4 Washington vs 13 Miami
8:30pm 3 Cleveland vs 14 Houston
10:00pm 2 New York vs 15 D League Select
10:30pm 1 Chicago vs 16 Philadelphia

Alert: They ended up flipping these game times so the ones listed starting at :00 are now at :30 and the ones listed starting at :30 are now half an hour earlier.

[awhom111]

Thursday's Second Round as losers end their tournament on Friday and winners move on to Saturday's quarterfinals:

In the battle of Hornets, Charlotte beat New Orleans 104-75.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/CHANOP/gameinfo.html

Sacramento beat Minnesota 100-86.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/MINSAC/gameinfo.html

Rodney had 19 points in 29 minutes in Utah's 86-77 loss to San Antonio.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/SASUTA/gameinfo.html

Atlanta beat Portland 88-65.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/ATLPOR/gameinfo.html

Andre did not have a very good 13 minutes in Houston's 96-90 win over Cleveland.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/HOUCLE/gameinfo.html

Washington beat Miami 78-67.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/MIAWAS/gameinfo.html

Lance had 6 points and 6 rebounds in 28 minutes as Chicago beat Philadelphia 79-68.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/PHICHI/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

New York beat the D League Select Team 80-73.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140717/DLSNYK/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

Here is the alleged schedule as teams eliminated Wednesday play the early slots and teams eliminated Thursday play the late slots. Games will be televised but given the schedule flux recently, I am not posting what they have right now.
4:00pm 9 Phoenix vs 10 Dallas
4:30pm 11 Golden State vs 21 Milwaukee
6:00pm 19 Toronto vs 20 Los Angeles Clippers
6:30pm 17 Los Angeles Lakers vs 18 Denver Nuggets
8:00pm 23 New Orleans vs 24 Minnesota
8:30pm 5 Utah vs 6 Portland
10:00pm 3 Cleveland vs 13 Miami
10:30pm 15 D League Select vs 16 Philadelphia

[ice-9]

Wait. What if you had to throw in one of the biggest draft mistakes of the past decade as well? Would that change your thinking?

I don't know, whoever fits the bill is probably past his prime. No way he's 25...

[kAzE]

Hey, the Bucks finally got a W over the Warriors behind Jabari's best game of the summer league thus far: He had 20 points, 15 boards, and 2 assists in 30 minutes. He played extremely well down the stretch when it was a close game, with a big reverse jam and a tough floater where somebody (I think James McAdoo) definitely hacked him. He looked like he still had some juice in him late in the 4th, so maybe he's finally eating right.

[dukelifer]

Hey, the Bucks finally got a W over the Warriors behind Jabari's best game of the summer league thus far: He had 20 points, 15 boards, and 2 assists in 30 minutes. He played extremely well down the stretch when it was a close game, with a big reverse jam and a tough floater where somebody (I think James McAdoo) definitely hacked him. He looked like he still had some juice in him late in the 4th, so maybe he's finally eating right.

In the last game two days ago he was dragging - last man up the court and had no lift in his jumper. He got a little rest and it probably helped.

[awhom111]

Friday's Consolation Round games as 16 teams ended their campaigns:

Seth had a rough day playing 18 minutes in Phoenix's 88-62 loss to Dallas. Miles did not play as he was one of a number of players shut down for their last games with not much to play for.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/DALPHX/gameinfo.html

Jabari ended his tournament on a brighter note with 20 points and 15 rebounds in 30 minutes as Milwaukee beat Golden State 79-74.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/MILGSW/gameinfo.html

Toronto's 3 Brazilian lineup ended with a 64-60 win over the Los Angeles Clippers 64-60.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/LACTOR/gameinfo.html

The Los Angeles Lakers beat Denver 83-77.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/DENLAL/gameinfo.html

Because all of the players playing their last games in Las Vegas want more basketball instead of going out on the town, the D League Select and Philadelphia headed to overtime with the Select team winning 91-87.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/PHIDLS/gameinfo.html

Rodney had 7 points in 28 minutes as Utah beat Portland 75-73.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/PORUTA/gameinfo.html

Minnesota beat New Orleans 97-78.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/MINNOP/gameinfo.html

Start the rumor mill with Cleveland resting the last two overall first picks and beating Miami 95-90.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140718/MIACLE/gameinfo.html
Saturday's Quarterfinals (times EDT, all live on NBATV):
4:00pm 2 New York vs 23 Charlotte
6:00pm 14 Houston vs 22 Atlanta
8:00pm 1 Chicago vs 8 Sacramento
10:00pm 12 San Antonio vs 4 Washington

[Here is a Turtle]

I am enjoying summer league far more than I think I should. I think this tournament format was a good move.

[awhom111]

All of the quarterfinals were played on Saturday.

Charlotte continued to win as they held off New York 82-79.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140719/CHANYK/gameinfo.html

Andre had 12 points in 14 minutes as Houston beat Atlanta 78-71.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140719/ATLHOU/gameinfo.html

Lance had 2 points in 17 minutes in Chicago's 80-61 loss to Sacramento.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140719/SACCHI/gameinfo.html

The final game was a thriller as Washington prevailed in triple overtime 95-94 over San Antonio.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140719/SASWAS/gameinfo.html

Sunday's Semifinals (times EDT, all live on NBATV):
6:00pm 14 Houston vs 23 Charlotte
8:00pm 4 Washington vs 8 Sacramento

[awhom111]

The semifinals were both on Sunday.
Andre and Houston stopped Charlotte's surprise tournament run 83-79. Andre had 6 points in 18 minutes.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140720/CHAHOU/gameinfo.html

Sacramento prevented Washington from going unbeaten after a 74-62 win.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140720/SACWAS/gameinfo.html

Those two teams conclude the summer league on Monday at 9:30pm EDT on NBATV. Oddly enough the MVP and first and second team honors were already decided today:
http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/20/all-summer-league-teams/index.html

[sagegrouse]

The semifinals were both on Sunday.
Andre and Houston stopped Charlotte's surprise tournament run 83-79. Andre had 6 points in 18 minutes.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140720/CHAHOU/gameinfo.html

Sacramento prevented Washington from going unbeaten after a 74-62 win.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140720/SACWAS/gameinfo.html

Those two teams conclude the summer league on Monday at 9:30pm EDT on NBATV. Oddly enough the MVP and first and second team honors were already decided today:
http://www.nba.com/2014/news/07/20/all-summer-league-teams/index.html

FWIW, Parker, Hood and Wiggins did not receive honors.

[awhom111]

We now have a conclusion as Sacramento makes the late run to beat Andre and Houston 77-68. Andre finished with 5 points in 22 minutes.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140721/HOUSAC/gameinfo.html

Now Seth and Andre have some decisions to make about what to do for the upcoming season.

[dukelifer]

We now have a conclusion as Sacramento makes the late run to beat Andre and Houston 77-68. Andre finished with 5 points in 22 minutes.
Boxscore:
http://www.nba.com/games/20140721/HOUSAC/gameinfo.html

Now Seth and Andre have some decisions to make about what to do for the upcoming season.
Andre did not really take advantage of this opportunity to impress. He did not shoot well in the last few games and had his troubles on D. Fatigue/conditioning was an issue. He will likely play in the D league. It will come to how much he wants it. Seth could make an NBA team but he might have a longer career in Europe which values his skillset.

[awhom111]

Andre did not really take advantage of this opportunity to impress. He did not shoot well in the last few games and had his troubles on D. Fatigue/conditioning was an issue. He will likely play in the D league. It will come to how much he wants it. Seth could make an NBA team but he might have a longer career in Europe which values his skillset.

Andre was inconsistent, but he did get lots of chances, so he should be able to get an indication of whether any teams might be interested in a training camp deal, from which point the D League might be a good option. Of course overseas play is an option, where he might benefit from a more structured offense that will get him good shot opportunities, but that would more likely than not put off any chance of playing his way into a 10 day NBA deal for this season.

Seth may be more willing to stick around the D League and take any NBA opportunities that come his way. Between his partial guarantee for training camp with the Warriors (reportedly $75,000) and a few 10 day contracts, Seth made more than enough money to live on for a year. Since he is not in a position where he absolutely needs to maximize his earnings to take care of family or anything like that, he actually has a decent quality of life situation in this country. Either he is on an NBA contract or he plays for Santa Cruz. When Santa Cruz and Golden State have relatively synced up schedules, his brother can come see him play and vice versa and his mother is usually around too. Overseas play means being away from family and friends even in cases where the money is better (assuming they pay you on time). While he is still a fringe NBA player, the money he makes now is probably enough for him to live as he likes.

[Kedsy]

Andre did not really take advantage of this opportunity to impress. He did not shoot well in the last few games and had his troubles on D. Fatigue/conditioning was an issue. He will likely play in the D league. It will come to how much he wants it. Seth could make an NBA team but he might have a longer career in Europe which values his skillset.

For what it's worth, in Andre's 12 summer league games he averaged 19.5 points per 36 minutes (in 18.2 mpg), better than Seth's 16.9 points per 36 (in 10 games, 21.3 mpg). Due to Andre's late-season shooting slump, Seth outshot Andre percentagewise, 43.4% to 35.4%, but the two had almost identical points per shot (Andre pps = 1.204; Seth pps = 1.205), ironically because Andre got to the free throw line better than Seth did.

I think they're both long shots to open the season with an NBA team, but either of them could catch on in the right situation.

[dukelifer]

For what it's worth, in Andre's 12 summer league games he averaged 19.5 points per 36 minutes (in 18.2 mpg), better than Seth's 16.9 points per 36 (in 10 games, 21.3 mpg). Due to Andre's late-season shooting slump, Seth outshot Andre percentagewise, 43.4% to 35.4%, but the two had almost identical points per shot (Andre pps = 1.204; Seth pps = 1.205), ironically because Andre got to the free throw line better than Seth did.

I think they're both long shots to open the season with an NBA team, but either of them could catch on in the right situation.

He had a few nice games and moments. He showed he could play but struggled at the end. Turnovers and lapses D were issues. A year in the D league will help him.

[howardlander]

He had a few nice games and moments. He showed he could play but struggled at the end. Turnovers and lapses D were issues. A year in the D league will help him.

I happened to catch a fair amount of Dawkins in the summer league. He did look tired but one thing I noticed is that the Houston coach seemed to have a bit of a strange rotation pattern. I saw one game where I think Dawkins actually played the entire second half. Overall, I didn't get the feeling he would make a roster, but his defense wasn't as bad as I feared. On offense it seemed to me he lacks either confidence or motor. When he cut hard and moved aggressively good things happened, but he seemed to stand around a lot.

Howard

[FerryFor50]

He had a few nice games and moments. He showed he could play but struggled at the end. Turnovers and lapses D were issues. A year in the D league will help him.

Turnovers and lapses on D were issues for nearly every single player in summer league. Jabari, for example, averaged 5 turnovers per game.

Glen Rice Jr averaged 3 turnovers per game.

Andrew Wiggins averaged 2.75 turnovers.

[awhom111]

The player whose future is still up in the air that I forgot to mention was Lance Thomas.

An NBA team could still take a chance on him as a role player. It is good that he was able to have a solid season in China filling in for Shav, because he can probably return there if he wants to. There is always the D League route, although he may not be considered a "prospect" at this point, which would mean overseas becomes a better option. The benefit to playing in China, especially since he would likely play for one of the non-playoff level teams, is that his season can end quicker than the European ones and an NBA team might want to sign him late in the season as an extended tryout. That is how Shav has managed to grab his last two NBA contracts.

[dukelifer]

Turnovers and lapses on D were issues for nearly every single player in summer league. Jabari, for example, averaged 5 turnovers per game.

Glen Rice Jr averaged 3 turnovers per game.

Andrew Wiggins averaged 2.75 turnovers.

True - but Jabari and Wiggins are already in the league. Andre is on the outside looking in. Still Andre had a couple big games and may get some interest but he will need to prove himself. You have to impress when you get the chance.