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diablesseblu
06-23-2014, 12:03 PM
Well, he's now "Felton the felon."

http://nypost.com/2014/06/23/knicks-felton-avoids-jail-time-with-plea-on-gun-charge/

CameronBlue
06-23-2014, 01:19 PM
“Under the agreement announced today, Ray is going to be able to continue his career without interruption,” said his lawyer Jim Walden.

Ray has to be wondering why he wasted money on the lawyer. Such a terrible twist of fate.

westwall
06-23-2014, 03:08 PM
A "Belgian-made . . . 28mm handgun".

--- 28mm is NOT a "handgun"; it is a cannon! (typo??)

ArnieMc
06-23-2014, 03:23 PM
A "Belgian-made . . . 28mm handgun".

--- 28mm is NOT a "handgun"; it is a cannon! (typo??)It's a 5.7mm diameter x 28mm length cartridge similar to a .22 LR.

Olympic Fan
06-23-2014, 03:33 PM
A "Belgian-made . . . 28mm handgun".

--- 28mm is NOT a "handgun"; it is a cannon! (typo??)

Good catch ... the FNH is a 5.7MM barrel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

the confusion apparently comes from the fact that it fires a 5.7 x 28 mm cartridge -- slightly larger than a .22 bullet. The 28 mm refers to the LENGTH of the cartridge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_5.7%C3%9728mm

Interesting that Felton's gun was loaded with 18 body armor-piercing rounds ... what are usually referred to as "cop-killer" bullets.

Henderson
06-23-2014, 04:04 PM
Good catch ... the FNH is a 5.7MM barrel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

the confusion apparently comes from the fact that it fires a 5.7 x 28 mm cartridge -- slightly larger than a .22 bullet. The 28 mm refers to the LENGTH of the cartridge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_5.7%C3%9728mm

Interesting that Felton's gun was loaded with 18 body armor-piercing rounds ... what are usually referred to as "cop-killer" bullets.

The 5.7 x 28 cartridge is NOT similar in size to the .22LR. The .22LR has an overall length of about 25 mm. The "28" in the 5.7 round refers to the length of the case, not the overall cartridge. The 5.7 is significantly larger than a 22LR, with an overall length of about 40 mm and a much wider case than .22LR, making room for a lot more powder. Here's a photograph of the two side by side: http://www.weapon-blog.com/2013/08/5-7x28mm-comparisons/. Notice how much longer and wider the 5.7 is. With all that extra powder, the 5.7 has a significantly higher muzzle velocity than the .22LR, pushing a much heavier projectile, resulting in muzzle energy approximately 4 times that of the .22LR.

5.7 ammunition available to the public is not designed to be armor-piercing, although tests by the Brady Campaign have reportedly shown that even the publicly available ammo can pierce Level II Kevlar. So if anyone walks into a store and buys 5.7 ammo, that ammo probably has some armor-piercing capability even if not designed for that. It makes for nice sensational copy, though, to refer to Felton's rounds as "armor-piercing". Probably just off-the-shelf stuff. Real armor-piercing 5.7 ammunition (i.e. able to penetrate Level III Kevlar) is only made available to law enforcement and the military.

I'm not defending anything related to Felton, but I will note that he bought the gun and the ammo legally. He just didn't register it in NYC when he moved there. Oh, and according to his wife he waved it at her more than once during arguments. Nice guy.

And now that Ray is a convicted felon, he can no longer possess firearms at all or he faces felon-in-possession charges, which would land him in very deep manure.

I think Phil has already told Ray that Phil wants to get rid of him. This won't help him land a spot on another team.

OldPhiKap
06-23-2014, 04:12 PM
Roy better not turn his back on Ray-gun after the next presser.

Duvall
06-25-2014, 05:41 PM
And now that Ray is a convicted felon, he can no longer possess firearms at all or he faces felon-in-possession charges, which would land him in very deep manure.

I guess that would make this a cruel tease indeed. (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-talks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks)


The Dallas Mavericks are on the verge of reacquiring center Tyson Chandler from the New York Knicks, according to sources close to the process.

Sources told ESPN.com that the Mavericks, who immediately made reacquiring Chandler one of their priorities after their first-round playoff exit against San Antonio, soon will complete a trade with the Knicks that they will clinch by agreeing to take back the contract of New York's out-of-favor guard, Raymond Felton, as well.

Des Esseintes
06-25-2014, 09:01 PM
I guess that would make this a cruel tease indeed. (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11135060/dallas-mavericks-talks-acquire-tyson-chandler-raymond-felton-new-york-knicks)

Dude's headed to the right place then. "Can I buy anti-tank gun for self-defense?" "You can--in Texas." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F43mN5YilXg)

WakeDevil
06-25-2014, 09:22 PM
What is the difference between a convicted felon and an unconvicted one?

OldPhiKap
06-25-2014, 09:28 PM
What is the difference between a convicted felon and an unconvicted one?

Orange jumpsuits?

Duvall
06-25-2014, 09:29 PM
Dude's headed to the right place then. "Can I buy anti-tank gun for self-defense?" "You can--in Texas." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F43mN5YilXg)

But as a felon, Felton won't be able to own a gun in Texas for at least five more years. That's like going to Disneyland and being unable to ride any of the rides.

Henderson
06-25-2014, 11:25 PM
What is the difference between a convicted felon and an unconvicted one?

The conviction. Lots of people commit felonies and are never caught.

Kfanarmy
06-26-2014, 09:21 AM
The conviction. Lots of people commit felonies and are never caught.

not really. you aren't a "Felon" without a conviction. kinda like pregnancy, you are or you are not, whether or not you've committed acts that might take you there.

OldPhiKap
06-26-2014, 09:33 AM
not really. you aren't a "Felon" without a conviction. kinda like pregnancy, you are or you are not, whether or not you've committed acts that might take you there.

I think you are saying the same thing as Henderson, no? That many people commit crimes that are defined as felonies, but that a "felon" is a person convicted of such a crime?

Having said that, it depends on the context. If you steal from me, you are a thief -- whether subsequently convicted of theft or not.

Reilly
06-26-2014, 12:42 PM
.. If you steal from me, you are a thief ...

Thief = one who steals from OPK

FSU Quarterback = one who does not steal but merely forgets to pay at Publix

UNC Department Chair = one who earns his salary for no-show classes by not showing up

Distinguished UNC alumni with conferred degrees = it ain't stealin' if they just give it to you

Henderson
06-26-2014, 02:22 PM
not really. you aren't a "Felon" without a conviction. kinda like pregnancy, you are or you are not, whether or not you've committed acts that might take you there.

Well if you want to use the pregnancy analogy: You are either pregnant or you aren't, regardless of whether you have been affirmed officially as being pregnant.

If you committed a felony, you are a felon. Just like you are an adulterer even if your wife didn't catch you. Or serial killer even if you don't get caught.

Nice of Ray-Gun to spare us these fine points by pleading guilty to a felony. Convicted and felon for sure, so he's not only a felon but a convicted felon.

OldPhiKap
06-26-2014, 02:41 PM
Thief = one who steals from OPK

FSU Quarterback = one who does not steal but merely forgets to pay at Publix

UNC Department Chair = one who earns his salary for no-show classes by not showing up

Distinguished UNC alumni with conferred degrees = it ain't stealin' if they just give it to you

Genius, sorry I cannot send sporkz at present.

devildeac
06-26-2014, 02:49 PM
Genius, sorry I cannot send sporkz at present.

Got you covered on that one;).

ricks68
06-26-2014, 02:53 PM
Got you covered on that one;).

Me, too.

ricks

alteran
06-26-2014, 03:01 PM
You can't spell Felton without "felon".

MChambers
06-26-2014, 03:11 PM
You can't spell Felton without "felon".
That's perfect.

oldnavy
06-26-2014, 05:06 PM
500 hours of community service is basically 2 months of full time work.... wow!

Raymond probably wishes now that he had spent the ~$400.00 bucks and 30 minutes to complete a premises permit or at least been a little nicer to his wife!!

OldPhiKap
06-26-2014, 05:14 PM
500 hours of community service is basically 2 months of full time work.... wow!

Raymond probably wishes now that he had spent the ~$400.00 bucks and 30 minutes to complete a premises permit or at least been a little nicer to his wife!!

Given that playing for Roy is like prison, according to McCants, Ray probably should have gotten off with a sentence of "time served"

Henderson
06-27-2014, 09:27 AM
500 hours of community service is basically 2 months of full time work.... wow!

Raymond probably wishes now that he had spent the ~$400.00 bucks and 30 minutes to complete a premises permit or at least been a little nicer to his wife!!

Nah, he can go to Tallahassee and finish up in a weekend.

And I'd be happy to be nicer to his wife for him while he's gone.

Jarhead
06-27-2014, 11:44 AM
Genius, sorry I cannot send sporkz at present.
I tried and failed, also.:(