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Olympic Fan
04-09-2014, 12:30 PM
With the mass exodus at Maryland, it got me thinking we should have a transfer list from ACC schools that we can update as more occur. This is what I have so far (ranked in order of impact, IMHO):

Ryan Anderson, Boston College (their best frontcourt player ... their ONLY decent frontcourt player)
Trevor Thompson, Virginia Tech (starting center with excellent potential)
Tyler Lewis, N.C. State (he started the last half of the season ... I know Cat Barber has more potential, but Lewis was a solid floor leader)
Nick Faust, Maryland (a versatile player who has started at point guard, wing guard and small forward in his career for the Terps ... a veteran whose versatility would be missed)
Roddy Peters (slowed by injury before his freshman season, but still a point guard with potential)
Shaquille Clear, Maryland (a big body ... not much else)
Teven Jones (once projected as a starting PG, just a marginal guy off the bench)

There will be more -- feel free to add them as they occur.

Question for the readers -- should we include the Maryland guys? Technically, they are still in the ACC until July 1.

blazindw
04-09-2014, 12:42 PM
We add them and then we delete them on July 1st. :-)

eddiehaskell
04-09-2014, 01:30 PM
Shocked to hear Tyler Lewis is transferring. I thought he had finally found a role on that team.

geraldsneighbor
04-09-2014, 02:12 PM
Lewis is headed to Butler. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10730568/pg-tyler-lewis-transferring-butler-bulldogs-north-carolina-state-wolfpack

Olympic Fan
04-10-2014, 12:39 PM
I forgot to include DeMarcus Ware, who is leaving Louisville (which by next season will be an ACC team). We all remember him, of course, for the horrific injury he suffered against Duke in the 2013 Elite Eight game in Indy.

I also ran across this article, projecting the transfers expected to have the most impact next season. No. 1 is a guy at NC State -- Lacy -- who started at Alabama in 2013. No. 3 is N.C. State transfers Rodney Purvis at UConn (has the 6-2 Purvis really grown to 6-4). Also on the list (as one of the top five spots) Miami guards Angel Rodriquez and Sheldon McClellan -- both Big 12 refugees.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24520990/five-impact-transfers-for-the-2014-15-college-basketball-season

MCFinARL
04-10-2014, 12:45 PM
I forgot to include DeMarcus Ware, who is leaving Louisville (which by next season will be an ACC team). We all remember him, of course, for the horrific injury he suffered against Duke in the 2013 Elite Eight game in Indy.

I also ran across this article, projecting the transfers expected to have the most impact next season. No. 1 is a guy at NC State -- Lacy -- who started at Alabama in 2013. No. 3 is N.C. State transfers Rodney Purvis at UConn (has the 6-2 Purvis really grown to 6-4). Also on the list (as one of the top five spots) Miami guards Angel Rodriquez and Sheldon McClellan -- both Big 12 refugees.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24520990/five-impact-transfers-for-the-2014-15-college-basketball-season

I think you mean Kevin Ware; DeMarcus plays football. :) Re the article, it will be interesting to see what happens with Purvis--maybe State really was just the wrong situation for him and now he will be the player people thought he would coming out of high school, or maybe not.

Olympic Fan
04-10-2014, 01:12 PM
I think you mean Kevin Ware; DeMarcus plays football. :) Re the article, it will be interesting to see what happens with Purvis--maybe State really was just the wrong situation for him and now he will be the player people thought he would coming out of high school, or maybe not.

Oops ... thanks for the correction on Ware. I do hope the best for the kid ... that kind of injury shouldn't happen to anybody.

As for Purvis, I was warned by a recruiting guru before he even arrived at State that he was a selfish, uncoachable kid (one of the reasons Duke backed off him early in the recruiting process).

I know from friends at State that he was a distraction all last season ... one described him as "CJ Leslie with about 75 percent as much talent".

Obviously we'll see what Ollie and a veteran UConn team can do with him, but I know the attitude at State was that they were better off without him.

BD80
04-10-2014, 01:31 PM
-- should we include the Maryland guys? Technically, they are still in the ACC until July 1.

But forgotten by July 2

FerryFor50
04-10-2014, 01:56 PM
I forgot to include DeMarcus Ware, who is leaving Louisville (which by next season will be an ACC team). We all remember him, of course, for the horrific injury he suffered against Duke in the 2013 Elite Eight game in Indy.

I also ran across this article, projecting the transfers expected to have the most impact next season. No. 1 is a guy at NC State -- Lacy -- who started at Alabama in 2013. No. 3 is N.C. State transfers Rodney Purvis at UConn (has the 6-2 Purvis really grown to 6-4). Also on the list (as one of the top five spots) Miami guards Angel Rodriquez and Sheldon McClellan -- both Big 12 refugees.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24520990/five-impact-transfers-for-the-2014-15-college-basketball-season

I saw McClellan play a few times when he was at Texas. Solid player. Will be a thorn in the acc's side.

Duvall
04-10-2014, 01:58 PM
As for Purvis, I was warned by a recruiting guru before he even arrived at State that he was a selfish, uncoachable kid (one of the reasons Duke backed off him early in the recruiting process).

Well, that and his decision to commit to Louisville.

beach rev
04-11-2014, 06:58 PM
Per Jeff Goodman: Rice transfer Sean Obi to visit Duke this week.
Not sure if this is where this tidbit should go, so please feel free to move…

"Duke will host Rice transfer Sean Obi next week, source told ESPN. Obi averaged 11 ppg, 9 rpg as a frosh & is currently on visit to Vandy."

Duvall
04-11-2014, 07:01 PM
Per Jeff Goodman: Rice transfer Sean Obi to visit Duke this week.
Not sure if this is where this tidbit should go, so please feel free to move…

I think it goes in the "2015-2016 Minutes Speculation Thread."

brevity
04-11-2014, 07:26 PM
Duke will host Rice transfer Sean Obi next week, source told ESPN. Obi averaged 11 ppg, 9 rpg as a frosh...

Look, I'm not speculating on Jabari Parker one way or another, but if he stays he needs to give up his jersey number. A Duke jersey that says "Obi 1" would be the biggest seller in history. (He wore #3 at Rice, which still works if you like Detroit hip-hop.)

roywhite
04-11-2014, 08:26 PM
Per Jeff Goodman: Rice transfer Sean Obi to visit Duke this week.
Not sure if this is where this tidbit should go, so please feel free to move…

"Duke will host Rice transfer Sean Obi next week, source told ESPN. Obi averaged 11 ppg, 9 rpg as a frosh & is currently on visit to Vandy."

Interesting. Here's his profile from the Rice Owls site (http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/sean_obi_854237.html).

Big guy from Nigeria; as a freshman, he had a good FG% and a ton of rebounds. Not many blocked shots, and not a great FT shooter.

beach rev
04-11-2014, 08:29 PM
Look, I'm not speculating on Jabari Parker one way or another, but if he stays he needs to give up his jersey number. A Duke jersey that says "Obi 1" would be the biggest seller in history. (He wore #3 at Rice, which still works if you like Detroit hip-hop.)

This post made my day. Well-played.

mattman91
04-11-2014, 09:36 PM
http://news.rotowire.com/Sean-Obi-googid31628-spcbb.htm

Sean Obi, a freshman center who averaged 11 points and 9 rebounds for Rice, will be transferring. He apparently has a visit set up with Duke (http://http://news.rotowire.com/Sean-Obi-googid31628-spcbb.htm).

You're our only hope, Sean Obi.

BD80
04-11-2014, 10:05 PM
Per Jeff Goodman: Rice transfer Sean Obi to visit Duke this week. ...


... A Duke jersey that says "Obi 1" would be the biggest seller in history. ...

Are you sure this is the owl we're looking for? Move along ...

mattman91
04-11-2014, 10:10 PM
I just saw this being discussed in the ACC Transfer Vigil. Looks like I'm late to the party.

Side-note: I hate the 15 minute limit on post editing :mad:

loran16
04-11-2014, 11:49 PM
http://news.rotowire.com/Sean-Obi-googid31628-spcbb.htm

Sean Obi, a freshman center who averaged 11 points and 9 rebounds for Rice, will be transferring. He apparently has a visit set up with Duke (http://http://news.rotowire.com/Sean-Obi-googid31628-spcbb.htm).



You're our only hope, Sean Obi.

Obi's #s are really impressive. He's not tall (6'9") but he's big (265 pounds) and he was a MONSTER on the defensive boards in his frosh season. He rebounded 30.2% of opposing misses (Defensive rebounding %), higher than any Duke player by far last year. 3rd in the Nation actually. Obi's offensive rebounding % is merely okay, but a defensive rebounding specialist would be great for this team even if he has to sit out a year.

conmanlhughes
04-12-2014, 07:09 AM
My only question is, IF we do land Sean Obi, how will Chase Jeter and Diamond Stone see it?

nocilla
04-12-2014, 07:51 AM
Look, I'm not speculating on Jabari Parker one way or another, but if he stays he needs to give up his jersey number. A Duke jersey that says "Obi 1" would be the biggest seller in history. (He wore #3 at Rice, which still works if you like Detroit hip-hop.)

Well unless you expect Jabari to stay 3 years then I don't think it will be an issue.

GGLC
04-12-2014, 09:21 AM
My only question is, IF we do land Sean Obi, how will Chase Jeter and Diamond Stone see it?

I might rather have Obi.

BD80
04-12-2014, 09:40 AM
I might rather have Obi.

He is not our last hope, there is another ...

Still there is something to be said for the Chase chase or romancing the Stone

johnb
04-12-2014, 09:51 AM
I remain one of the delusional ones who believes 2014-15 will feature one of Jabari, Rodney, or Myles.

Since I wouldn't expect any of those guys to be around an additional year, Obi could be key to 2015-16 (playing a Rodney role of a sudden infusion of a guy with proven div 1 talent and a year of Duke practices). He could also be invaluable next year battling Jahlil et al, in practice.

It's a lot to expect from a guy from Greenwich who played at Greens Farms Academy, where he was co-MVP of his high school team along with Hunter Eggers, who's a 6 foot point guard who also signed with Rice. Hunter also has an assist to turnover ratio of infinity (1:0). I mention this not to deride Mr. Eggers (my college assist:turnover ratio was much worse and was compiled in pickup games against unatbletic undergrads while Hunter plays division 1), but rather to point out that while Sean Obi was a 2 star recruit, and we rarely go below 5 stars, he could be just what we need...

http://www.gfacademy.org/Customized/uploads/Athletics/Awards%20and%20Accomplishments/Winter%202013%20Award%20Winners%20-%20Web%20v2.pdf

http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/hunter_eggers_854239.html

Hunter's web page also mentioned that he and Obi are brothers.

this led me to this great story. In case you missed it a few years ago, here's one story about it in a local Greenwich magazine:
http://www.greenwichmag.com/g/December-2011/A-New-Kind-of-Dream-Team/

johnb
04-12-2014, 09:58 AM
Sean Obi articles:

http://www.greenwichmag.com/g/December-2011/A-New-Kind-of-Dream-Team/

http://www.csnhouston.com/ncaa/sean-obi-and-hunter-eggers-are-rices-brothers

http://www.greenwichtime.com/sports/article/GFA-s-Sean-Obi-signs-with-Rice-basketball-4082183.php

http://www.greenwich-post.com/15832/greens-farms-bidding-farewell-to-nine-seniors/

his high school team won one game the year before her arrived. by his senior year, they were 26-2.
Andre Drummond played on his aau team.
http://fivestarbasketball.com/teams/connecticut-basketball-club-17u-2011

CameronDuke
04-12-2014, 10:51 AM
My apologies if this has been covered in this thread already. However, if Duke lands Obi, will he be eligible to play in 2014-2015 since Rice fired former head coach Ben Braun in March and hired VCU assistant Mike Rhoades as their head coach? Do transfer rules allow him to transfer to a different school and play immediately or would he have to sit out a year?

tommy
04-12-2014, 11:17 AM
I forgot to include DeMarcus Ware, who is leaving Louisville (which by next season will be an ACC team). We all remember him, of course, for the horrific injury he suffered against Duke in the 2013 Elite Eight game in Indy.

Kevin Ware is transferring to Georgia State.

loran16
04-12-2014, 04:28 PM
My apologies if this has been covered in this thread already. However, if Duke lands Obi, will he be eligible to play in 2014-2015 since Rice fired former head coach Ben Braun in March and hired VCU assistant Mike Rhoades as their head coach? Do transfer rules allow him to transfer to a different school and play immediately or would he have to sit out a year?

There is no auto hardship waiver for a change of coach (ladies and gentlemen, the NCAA!). While the NCAA has seemingly been granting more waivers lately, the only one I recall granted for that reason was that of Billy Baron, who was granted a waiver to transfer from Rhode Island to Canisius when his father was fired from Rhode Island and transferred to Cansius. So he would be eligible in 2015-2016, although he'd have 3 years of eligibility.

Henderson
04-12-2014, 07:35 PM
There is no auto hardship waiver for a change of coach (ladies and gentlemen, the NCAA!). While the NCAA has seemingly been granting more waivers lately, the only one I recall granted for that reason was that of Billy Baron, who was granted a waiver to transfer from Rhode Island to Canisius when his father was fired from Rhode Island and transferred to Cansius. So he would be eligible in 2015-2016, although he'd have 3 years of eligibility.

Couldn't he just say he wanted to be closer to his family in Greenwich, CT? Durham is closer than Houston, and surely he has someone up there not feeling well. The NCAA seems to like that basis for a waiver.

MCFinARL
04-12-2014, 08:31 PM
Couldn't he just say he wanted to be closer to his family in Greenwich, CT? Durham is closer than Houston, and surely he has someone up there not feeling well. The NCAA seems to like that basis for a waiver.

Well, if he comes to Duke, it might actually be better if he takes the year to learn and improve--this appears to be a kid who is still learning the game and getting better by leaps and bounds, and Duke will need him more the year after next (assuming Jahlil Okafor is gone) than next year.

loran16
04-13-2014, 02:18 PM
Couldn't he just say he wanted to be closer to his family in Greenwich, CT? Durham is closer than Houston, and surely he has someone up there not feeling well. The NCAA seems to like that basis for a waiver.

The NCAA is inconsistent about that justification for a hardship waiver (generally it's no, but it HAS been granted), but it seems like a bit of a stretch in this case.

CameronBornAndBred
04-13-2014, 02:41 PM
But forgotten by July 2
Who is forgotten?:rolleyes:

gofurman
04-13-2014, 08:18 PM
The NCAA is inconsistent about that justification for a hardship waiver (generally it's no, but it HAS been granted), but it seems like a bit of a stretch in this case.
I will usually take a good performing transfer - think Rodney Hood ! who average about a 10pt/7rb at Mississippi State as a Fr - over a supposedly more talented high school kid. Neil Fingletons of the world Unite ! Duke has done well w transfers - Rodney Hood, Dahntay Jones, Roshawn McCleod etc - I don't know of a transfer that has really fallen flat. I know of many HS players who haven't worked out.

Like Hood, I would be very excited to get this kid. I don't think he is at Hood level but his rebound numbers are strong, I think Rice is in Conf USA which is only an OK league but w a year to weightlift and practice he could come in killin' in 2015. I hope we get him ! he is at a double double already putting up 11/9 pts rebounds...

NOTE - how recruiting is funny.. you know what this guy was rated coming into Rice last year by ESPN? 0-100 scale with Duke guys usually being in the 80s at the lowest? He was a 61. 61. Sometimes they miss huh? Also, more to the point perhaps than numeric he was only looked at by Yale, Columbia and Rice. Obviously must have great academics -kudos there - but clearly someone misjudged his talent unless he committed to Rice before anyone else could woo him..

pfrduke
04-13-2014, 08:23 PM
Trevor Thompson is heading to Ohio State

CrazyNotCrazie
04-13-2014, 08:54 PM
Couldn't he just say he wanted to be closer to his family in Greenwich, CT? Durham is closer than Houston, and surely he has someone up there not feeling well. The NCAA seems to like that basis for a waiver.

One could also argue that as the crow flies, Durham is closer to his actual family in Nigeria than Houston...

Henderson
04-13-2014, 09:29 PM
Northwestern is recruiting Sean Obi (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-northwestern-pursuing-rice-transfer-sean-obi-20140413,0,7525615.story) now, and they're apparently pursuing the "Major-College-Major-Conference and Lot's of PT Available" approach.

Let the games begin!

brevity
04-13-2014, 10:56 PM
Northwestern is recruiting Sean Obi (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-northwestern-pursuing-rice-transfer-sean-obi-20140413,0,7525615.story) now, and they're apparently pursuing the "Major-College-Major-Conference and Lot's of PT Available" approach.

Let the games begin!

Drew Crawford is graduating from Northwestern, and his #1 jersey is available. Advantage: Northwestern.

Luke Kennard will arrive at Duke in Fall 2015, which is also when Sean Obi would resume eligibility. Whether or not Obi gets a #1 jersey, Duke would have a Ken/Obi duo. Advantage: Duke.

Don't know when Mr. Obi will make his decision, but May the 4th be with him.

BuschDevil
04-14-2014, 12:42 AM
Luke Kennard will arrive at Duke in Fall 2015, which is also when Sean Obi would resume eligibility. Whether or not Obi gets a #1 jersey, Duke would have a Ken/Obi duo. Advantage: Duke.

Obi/one & Luke together would be a real force.

BuschDevil
04-14-2014, 12:45 AM
Seriously, though, all this waiting for 18-21 year olds to make their decisions, and massive sleep deprivation, are making me loopy. (not that anyone who knows me would likely notice) Carry on.

Duvall
04-17-2014, 12:28 PM
Diamond DeShields to transfer from UNC. (http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/blog/unc/x740451003/BREAKING-Diamond-DeShields-to-transfer-from-UNC)

I don't know why, and neither do they, apparently.

Des Esseintes
04-17-2014, 12:51 PM
Diamond DeShields to transfer from UNC. (http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/blog/unc/x740451003/BREAKING-Diamond-DeShields-to-transfer-from-UNC)

I don't know why, and neither do they, apparently.
We don't have all the facts yet, so I think we should just blame Joanne McCallie and call it a day.

flyingdutchdevil
04-17-2014, 12:54 PM
We don't have all the facts yet, so I think we should just blame Joanne McCallie and call it a day.

I'm sorry, but that is not cool at all. You know that RoyWill deserves some blame as well.

CameronBornAndBred
04-17-2014, 12:57 PM
Diamond DeShields to transfer from UNC. (http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/blog/unc/x740451003/BREAKING-Diamond-DeShields-to-transfer-from-UNC)

I don't know why, and neither do they, apparently.
WOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I totally needed that smile, perfect timing.

Duvall
04-17-2014, 12:59 PM
We don't have all the facts yet, so I think we should just blame Joanne McCallie and call it a day.

"DeShields later explained that she had been appalled by the discourtesy shown by Duke in the blow-off game, and had chosen to transfer to a conference with higher standards of personal conduct."

Duvall
04-17-2014, 01:36 PM
WOOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I totally needed that smile, perfect timing.

Going to hold off on celebrating until we find out what happened here. It's clear that something odd is going on, we just don't know what.

CameronBornAndBred
04-17-2014, 01:49 PM
Going to hold off on celebrating until we find out what happened here. It's clear that something odd is going on, we just don't know what.
Doesn't matter to me why she goes (unless it is some horrible tragedy in her family, but that would have been accompanied by a "we understand and support" message from Hatchell); whatever her reasons are, I fully support them. :D

Tripping William
04-23-2014, 01:57 PM
Arnaud William Adala Moto will transfer from Wake Forest. No word about where he is headed.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wfu/basketball/adala-moto-to-leave-wake-forest/article_3aa32d54-cb0e-11e3-8214-0017a43b2370.html

Olympic Fan
04-23-2014, 04:16 PM
Arnaud William Adala Moto will transfer from Wake Forest. No word about where he is headed.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wfu/basketball/adala-moto-to-leave-wake-forest/article_3aa32d54-cb0e-11e3-8214-0017a43b2370.html

That's a blow -- I know Dan Collins (the Wake beat writer) considered Moto their third most important player (After Thomas and Miller-McIntyre). Moto gave them an elite athlete at the wing position. He had 10 pts/10 rebounds in the loss at Duke ... 12 points (5-9 shooting) and 6 rebounds in the win bs Duke in Winston.

Kind of a surprise -- the first reports I got were that the Wake kids were happy with the Manning hire and none would be leaving.

Tripping William
04-23-2014, 06:24 PM
That's a blow -- I know Dan Collins (the Wake beat writer) considered Moto their third most important player (After Thomas and Miller-McIntyre). Moto gave them an elite athlete at the wing position. He had 10 pts/10 rebounds in the loss at Duke ... 12 points (5-9 shooting) and 6 rebounds in the win bs Duke in Winston.

Kind of a surprise -- the first reports I got were that the Wake kids were happy with the Manning hire and none would be leaving.

The handful of Wake fans with whom I have spoken are VERY cautious in their optimism about Manning (and even less optimistic about Wellman). This won't decrease their caution, to be sure.

lotusland
04-23-2014, 08:09 PM
The handful of Wake fans with whom I have spoken are VERY cautious in their optimism about Manning (and even less optimistic about Wellman). This won't decrease their caution, to be sure.

Maybe they should put up a billboard and start running him off.

Olympic Fan
04-24-2014, 12:22 PM
Maybe they should put up a billboard and start running him off.

Actually, the anti-Bzdelik billboard that was put up by the BuzzOut group features a welcome to Wake for both Clawson (the new football coach) and Manning -- paid for the same BuzzOut people.

Now, how long that honeymoon lasts is anybody's guess. Clawson faces a major rebuilding job after losing two of the best Wake players in an generation (Campanaro and Whitlock), along with a four-year starter at quarterback. Manning starts with which should be a middle-of-the-road ACC team ... if he can get them in the NIT next season, that would be a decent step forward. The key for his long-term success will be recruiting -- especially Harry Giles, a 6-8 kid from Winston-Salem who is one of the top 2-3 prospects in the Class of 2016 (and is a major Duke and UNC target).

Kedsy
04-24-2014, 12:24 PM
The key for his long-term success will be recruiting -- especially Harry Giles, a 6-8 kid from Winston-Salem who is one of the top 2-3 prospects in the Class of 2016 (and is a major Duke and UNC target).

Do people think Manning has a realistic shot at landing Giles?

Olympic Fan
04-24-2014, 12:29 PM
Do people think Manning has a realistic shot at landing Giles?

Too early to say.

What he has going for him is that he's a hometown kid (that helped with Chris Paul) and that his game is not that dissimilar to Manning's game. Not sure how Manning's fame as a fame at Kansas and NBA translates to a 15/16-year-old these days .. a generation that thinks Britney Spears is Classic Rock.

The point is not that we -- as outsiders -- think he should get Giles, but that Wake fans expect it and if it doesn't happen, they will be very disappointed.

Tripping William
04-24-2014, 12:46 PM
Now, how long that honeymoon lasts is anybody's guess.

My "local guy" guess is that, as long Season One isn't a flaming disaster, Manning probably has a two-season honeymoon. But Wellman likely only has one more year to placate the gathering mob, IMO.

jimsumner
04-24-2014, 12:51 PM
Too early to say.

What he has going for him is that he's a hometown kid (that helped with Chris Paul) and that his game is not that dissimilar to Manning's game. Not sure how Manning's fame as a fame at Kansas and NBA translates to a 15/16-year-old these days .. a generation that thinks Britney Spears is Classic Rock.

The point is not that we -- as outsiders -- think he should get Giles, but that Wake fans expect it and if it doesn't happen, they will be very disappointed.

What might be more relevant is Manning's much-more-recent history helping produce NBA big men as an assistant at Kansas.

Dev11
04-24-2014, 02:19 PM
What might be more relevant is Manning's much-more-recent history helping produce NBA big men as an assistant at Kansas.

I'm 24 and in my mind, Danny Manning is just a basketball coach who I know played in the Stone Age. I bet a 16-year-old kid doesn't care about his time in short shorts.

Olympic Fan
04-24-2014, 03:01 PM
What might be more relevant is Manning's much-more-recent history helping produce NBA big men as an assistant at Kansas.

Just like Wojo was famous with 16 year olds for turning out NBA players Shelden Williams, Josh McRoberts, Lance Thomas, Kyle Singler, Miles Plumlee, Ryan Kelly and Mason Plumlee (all of whom he coached as Duke's frontcourt coach).

Jim, not ragging on you, but sniping at the anti-Duke rhetoric (prevalent even among many Duke fans) that Wojo was too small to coach frontcourt players.

jimsumner
04-24-2014, 03:09 PM
Just like Wojo was famous with 16 year olds for turning out NBA players Shelden Williams, Josh McRoberts, Lance Thomas, Kyle Singler, Miles Plumlee, Ryan Kelly and Mason Plumlee (all of whom he coached as Duke's frontcourt coach).

Jim, not ragging on you, but sniping at the anti-Duke rhetoric (prevalent even among many Duke fans) that Wojo was too small to coach frontcourt players.

The difference between Manning and Wojo as assistants is that ESPN never missed an opportunity to praise Manning's ability to coach guys into the NBA. Manning pretty much invented the concept of big-man drills, as far as I could determine. :)

Wojo, obviously never got that level of respect.

jimsumner
04-24-2014, 04:51 PM
According to the twitterverse, Shaq Cleare has ended up at Texas.

Is he an ACC transfer?

Faustus
04-24-2014, 08:04 PM
Welcome back Jim.

If a ship with damaged cargo flying the flag of Nation A when leaving Nation A's waters, then before entering international waters changes flags to Nation B (and asking for a $50 million waiver to do so - cheekily), and subsequently will make landfall in Nation B, is that cargo the property of Nation B or Nation A? (And what if Nation A doesn't want said cargo and laughed derisively as it departed?) I'm sure we have international lawyers here who can answer that one... or not... But I'd say That Ship Has Sailed.

Here is a Turtle
04-24-2014, 10:57 PM
According to the twitterverse, Shaq Cleare has ended up at Texas.

Is he an ACC transfer?

I would count him. Rumors are Peters to BC or VT. Faust to Oregon State. Nothing solid yet. Cleare was a class act though. Definitely wished it worked out with him in College Park.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10835610/maryland-terrapins-transfer-shaquille-cleare-signs-texas-longhorns

Duvall
04-24-2014, 11:00 PM
I would count him. Rumors are Peters to BC or VT. Faust to Oregon State. Nothing solid yet. Cleare was a class act though. Definitely wished it worked out with him in College Park.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10835610/maryland-terrapins-transfer-shaquille-cleare-signs-texas-longhorns

Interesting. I was wondering if any of the ACC transfers was going to try to go in or out of Maryland by waiting until after the switchover.

Olympic Fan
04-25-2014, 12:28 AM
According to the twitterverse, Shaq Cleare has ended up at Texas.

Is he an ACC transfer?

What else would he be? He never played in the Big Ten. He played two seasons in the ACC and transferred.

Besides, Maryland is technically a part of the ACC for a little more than two months. He got out of College Park before the deadline.

He's definitely an ACC transfer.

brevity
04-30-2014, 12:08 PM
Rumors are Peters to BC or VT. Faust to Oregon State. Nothing solid yet.

Solid (https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/461499418785484801).

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 3h
Maryland transfer Nick Faust has transferred to Oregon State, source confirms to ESPN.

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 3h
Faust is a long shot to be able to graduate and play this season at Oregon State. More likely he sits and has one left for Beavers.

Unrelated, but not worth its own thread: Jeff Goodman also reports (https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/461537251030081537) that high school PG Devonte Graham, released from his commitment to Appalachian State, has narrowed his choices to NC State or Kansas.

gumbomoop
05-13-2014, 07:59 PM
Uh oh, Robert Carter leaving GaTech.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10928108/robert-carter-jr-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-transfer-coach-brian-gregory-says

jimsumner
05-13-2014, 08:14 PM
Uh oh, Robert Carter leaving GaTech.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10928108/robert-carter-jr-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-transfer-coach-brian-gregory-says

That's a huge loss for the Jackets, literally and metaphorically. That one hurts. A local kid who was getting major PT. Cannot help Gregory.

tommy
05-14-2014, 01:55 AM
Uh oh, Robert Carter leaving GaTech.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10928108/robert-carter-jr-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-transfer-coach-brian-gregory-says

It is a huge loss, no doubt. The Jackets were much, much better last year with Carter than they were when he was out for 10-12 games or so with a knee.

Gregory is in real trouble. He's 16-36 in ACC play in his three years there, and next year's team is really gutted. Georges-Hunt is the only decent, experienced player they have returning. Nothing underneath. Good thing for Gregory he signed an extension last year through 2018, but even that may not save him. Just hasn't gotten it done, and his prospects to improve the bottom line in '14-'15 just took a giant hit.

CDu
05-14-2014, 09:46 AM
Uh oh, Robert Carter leaving GaTech.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10928108/robert-carter-jr-georgia-tech-yellow-jackets-transfer-coach-brian-gregory-says

That is devastating for Ga Tech. Carter was a real beast out there when he was healthy. He could score from just about anywhere and was a rebounding machine. The Jackets had already lost Miller and Holsey to graduation; losing Carter means they have no beef (or skill, for that matter) up front.

Here is a Turtle
05-21-2014, 03:40 PM
CBS is reporting on two ACC transfers that found other schools. Maryland's Roddy Peters is heading to South Florida (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24568894/maryland-transfer-roddy-peters-headed-to-south-florida). He has three years of eligibility left.

Wake Forest's Arnaud William-Adala Moto is heading to Towson (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24568816/wake-forest-transfer-moto-headed-to-towson). He has two years left.

Duvall
05-22-2014, 03:23 PM
Charles Mitchell leaving Maryland. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-charles-mitchell-leaving-maryland-guard-richaud-pack-transfers-in-20140522,0,7881819.story)

Says he wants to be closer to his family in Atlanta with his grandmother having taken ill. Think there might be a school in Atlanta with some frontcourt minutes available...

mattman91
05-22-2014, 03:27 PM
Charles Mitchell leaving Maryland. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-charles-mitchell-leaving-maryland-guard-richaud-pack-transfers-in-20140522,0,7881819.story)

Says he wants to be closer to his family in Atlanta with his grandmother having taken ill. Think there might be a school in Atlanta with some frontcourt minutes available...

Serious question...

Who is actually left at Maryland?

Duvall
05-22-2014, 03:30 PM
Serious question...

Who is actually left at Maryland?

Wells, Smotrycz, Layman and a bunch of freshmen.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
05-22-2014, 03:35 PM
Charles Mitchell leaving Maryland. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-charles-mitchell-leaving-maryland-guard-richaud-pack-transfers-in-20140522,0,7881819.story)

Says he wants to be closer to his family in Atlanta with his grandmother having taken ill. Think there might be a school in Atlanta with some frontcourt minutes available...

I would like to take a moment to just mention (20% wistfully, 80% gleefully) that a transfer who is leaving a non-ACC school has zero relevance on this thread unless they are headed to an institution of higher learning that is an ACC member school.

(Also, I echo Matt's comments about how there are going to be sufficient players on this unnamed team to even fill the bench)

lotusland
05-22-2014, 03:40 PM
Charles Mitchell leaving Maryland. (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-charles-mitchell-leaving-maryland-guard-richaud-pack-transfers-in-20140522,0,7881819.story)

Says he wants to be closer to his family in Atlanta with his grandmother having taken ill. Think there might be a school in Atlanta with some frontcourt minutes available...

I'll be interested to see if this qualifies for a waiver as far as sitting out a year. I personally don't think transfers should be required to sit out at all but everyone knows someone who is ill. Everyone's grandparents have reasonably high odds of becoming ill over 4-years depending on how you define illness. I was ill after the Mercer game for instance.

Here is a Turtle
05-22-2014, 03:44 PM
He probably will. Pe'shon Howard went to USC for similar reasons and got a waiver. Mitchell's sister goes to Towson and she is transferring back to Georgia for the same reason as well.

Olympic Fan
05-22-2014, 03:49 PM
I would like to take a moment to just mention (20% wistfully, 80% gleefully) that a transfer who is leaving a non-ACC school has zero relevance on this thread unless they are headed to an institution of higher learning that is an ACC member school.(Also, I echo Matt's comments about how there are going to be sufficient players on this unnamed team to even fill the bench)

On July 1st, I agree with you.

But for the next six weeks, Maryland IS an ACC school.

PS And after years with dealing with their &^$%, it does my soul good to see their program implode.

Here is a Turtle
05-22-2014, 03:54 PM
On July 1st, I agree with you.

But for the next six weeks, Maryland IS an ACC school.

PS And after years with dealing with their &^$%, it does my soul good to see their program implode.

We are still in the ACC. Pretty sure I saw us in the ACC Baseball Tournament this morning.

Implode is strong. We're going to get transfers. We have a top ten recruiting class. As it stands, there are 11 scholarship players with one or two more possible grad transfers or Robert Carter. You want to see a basketball program with the potential of imploding? Look at Oregon.

Am I thrilled at all the transfers. Of course not. But there's more than one way to look at it.

brevity
05-22-2014, 03:55 PM
I would like to take a moment to just mention (20% wistfully, 80% gleefully) that a transfer who is leaving a non-ACC school has zero relevance on this thread unless they are headed to an institution of higher learning that is an ACC member school.

You may be 20% wistful and 80% gleeful in saying this, but you are 100% wrong. I'll let others waste their time discussing whether Maryland is an ACC school at this moment, but Charles Mitchell (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61794/charles-mitchell) played in the ACC for two seasons. Now he plans to transfer to another school. He is as relevant to this thread as, say, Tyler Lewis (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10730568/pg-tyler-lewis-transferring-butler-bulldogs-north-carolina-state-wolfpack). (More relevant if he chooses Georgia Tech.)

People who abandon a sinking ship don't necessarily drown, go underwater, or even get wet.

gumbomoop
05-22-2014, 04:06 PM
Serious question...

Who is actually left at Maryland?


Wells, Smotrycz, Layman and a bunch of freshmen.

I'll guess Md can still be a force in next season's weaker Big14. I posted this on the Seth Allen thread ....


There's understandably a rapidly declining interest on EK in Md. But the combo of the just-announced ACC-Big14 matchups and the striking number of Md player departures keeps me just a little interested in next year's Terps. I'll gradually lose interest, and just don't keep up with much outside the ACC, so Md's future fortunes and misfortunes will disappear from my radar.

But next season's Terps don't strike me as an utterly lost cause, even if Mitchell leaves, too. They return 3 solid, experienced players: Wells, Layman, and Smotrycz; those guys were 3 of last seasons top 4 scorers, and 3 of the top 4 rebounders. One should assume they'll all improve a little.

Will Turgeon be able to create a 7-man rotation by finding 4 other guys who can play? Which of their little-used reserves will get increased minutes next season? Logical candidate seems to be rising senior 6'8" Graham. Surely he could give them an ok 15 minutes at PF. Then, ESPN ranks their incoming class as 9th best, while Scout rates all 5 of their recruits at 4 stars. Not Duke or UK, but not chopped liver.

All Turgeon needs is one of the frosh to be good -- Trimble seems likely candidate -- and 2 others to play some. Shoot, given a chance, 4-star Trimble and 2 other 4-star frosh could be decent as role player support for Wells, Layman, and Smotrycz. After Wisconsin, is Big14 dangerous next season? Will Iowa impress? Nebraska? Can't Md win enough to finish in top half of a down Big14?

.... and just wonder whether the 3 vets plus a solid 5-player incoming class -- all Scout 4-stars -- might do ok. Not great, but competitive. If we assume that, say, Grayson Allen doesn't play a lot his frosh season, maybe 2-3 of the Md frosh will -- just because they have some talent and will actually play serious minutes -- be "better" their first season than Grayson.

Duvall
05-22-2014, 04:16 PM
I'll guess Md can still be a force in next season's weaker Big14.

I don't know about being a force, but Maryland should at least be solid. (Then again, they should have been better than solid last year, and look what happened.) The real concern is if Maryland misses the tournament for the fifth straight year next year, Turgeon gets fired, the seniors graduate and the freshmen transfer. *That* would be an implosion, and not, I think, an unlikely scenario.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
05-22-2014, 04:26 PM
You may be 20% wistful and 80% gleeful in saying this, but you are 100% wrong. I'll let others waste their time discussing whether Maryland is an ACC school at this moment, but Charles Mitchell (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61794/charles-mitchell) played in the ACC for two seasons. Now he plans to transfer to another school. He is as relevant to this thread as, say, Tyler Lewis (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10730568/pg-tyler-lewis-transferring-butler-bulldogs-north-carolina-state-wolfpack). (More relevant if he chooses Georgia Tech.)

People who abandon a sinking ship don't necessarily drown, go underwater, or even get wet.

Oh, details. I was trying to add a little snark and remind folks that we don't have to deal with Terrapin fans next years.

It's the off-season. I get my jollies where I can.

Henderson
05-22-2014, 04:33 PM
Think of Maryland as an unpleasant odor. The source may have left the building, but it still has a lingering presence.

P.S. I always hated their flag. Isn't the Maryland flag the ugliest in the country?

Olympic Fan
05-22-2014, 06:18 PM
P.S. I always hated their flag. Isn't the Maryland flag the ugliest in the country?

No ...

That honor belongs to Mississippi -- the last state to continue to incorporate the Confederate Battle Flag.

The Maryland flag is ugly and I do understand the relief that the university, its dishonest administration and its obnoxious fans (not all, we have some good ones on this board -- but the great majority) are leaving us. I feel for the coaches and athletes who lament the move (a large percentage -- maybe a majority).

And I do have a soft spot for Maryland because I'm an American Revolution buff and I have a deep appreciation for the role that the Maryland Line -- led by such men as William Smallwood, John Eagar Howard and Otho Williams -- played in the Campaign in the Carolinas. Smallwood stood his ground at Camden and saved at least a small percentage of the Army of the South from Gates' folly in that rout; Williams led the rear guard during the Race for the Dan --one of the great retreats in military history, a brilliant march across North Carolina in the dead of winter that greatly weakened Cornwallis' army; Howard commanded the final line at the Cowpens, his action in the crisis and the behavior of his Maryland men routed Tarleton and some of the finest troops in the British Army. Howard also command Greene's main line at Guilford Court House -- his men fought Cornwallis to a standstill, forcing the British commander to order his artillery to fire into his own troops to preserve a tactical victory (but suffer such losses that Guilford was a major strategic defeat for the Brits).

I hate to lose that connection.

-bdbd
05-23-2014, 10:10 AM
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/t...ke-next-season/


A new Wa. Post article on the MD Terps roster for next season, and all the players who've left (and who is left). It is going to be a really rough first year for them playing against their "close neighbors" from Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota.

Yeah, WI in February -- yummm! (And going all that way to get your butt whoop'd repeatedly - priceless!) :eek:

Class of '94
05-23-2014, 10:35 AM
We are still in the ACC. Pretty sure I saw us in the ACC Baseball Tournament this morning.

Implode is strong. We're going to get transfers. We have a top ten recruiting class. As it stands, there are 11 scholarship players with one or two more possible grad transfers or Robert Carter. You want to see a basketball program with the potential of imploding? Look at Oregon.

Am I thrilled at all the transfers. Of course not. But there's more than one way to look at it.

Apparently the MD administration doesn't believe they're in the ACC any longer as news reports have cited them replacing ACC logos with BIG for weeks now.:D JK.......

As I said before, I'm going to miss MD not being in the ACC; and I don't take much satisfaction in seeing another player leave a proud program like MD. It will be interesting to see if Mitchell goes to GTech now and stay in the ACC. I know UVA had a number of players leave; but it still amazes me that Turgeon has had this many transfers in one summer; and these are players that he recruited.

gumbomoop
05-23-2014, 11:37 AM
Implode is strong. We're going to get transfers. We have a top ten recruiting class.

I cannot explain my [temporary] support for the Terps; another example that there's no accounting for taste, I suppose. Nevertheless, I agree with HiaT. They just picked up a senior/grad transfer, Richaud Pack, a scorer on last season's weak NC A&T, so that's some useful depth in backcourt

I think they'll make the NCAAT in 2015. Here's their Big14 schedule:

Home: Michigan, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Away: Illinois, Iowa, Ohio State, Purdue
Home/Away: Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Penn State, Rutgers

Wins at home -- Mich, Minn, NW, Ind, Neb, PS, Rutgers
Wins away -- Purdue, PS, Rutgers

10-8. Piece of cake.

True, they'll have to win all the easy home OOC games, as they have some tough OOC neutral games, including Villanova in MSG. Might need to win either that one or UVa at home in ACC-Big14 Challenge.

"Go Terps"? No, I'm not that insane. But I think they'll make the NCAAT. Matched with Devils in round of 32. Maybe Justise can guard Dez. [Several assumptions there, I realize.......]

Olympic Fan
05-23-2014, 12:14 PM
I cannot explain my [temporary] support for the Terps; another example that there's no accounting for taste, I suppose. Nevertheless, I agree with HiaT. They just picked up a senior/grad transfer, Richaud Pack, a scorer on last season's weak NC A&T, so that's some useful depth in backcourt

I think they'll make the NCAAT in 2015. "Go Terps"? No, I'm not that insane. But I think they'll make the NCAAT.

Strongly disagree ... Turgeon has not been able to get them in the NCAA Tournament in the ACC (which has been weaker than the Big Ten during his three years there). Now he's going to do it after losing two projected starters (Mitchell and Allen) and three veteran rotation players (Faust, Cleare and Peters) to transfer? They lose five of the top eight players (both in terms of minutes played and scoring) -- all to transfer. That's my definition of implode.

Yes, I know they have Dez Wells -- a nice player coming back. And Jake Layman isn't bad -- even if he did hit 40.1 percent from the floor last year. I'm not a big fan on Smotrycz ... by coincidence, he also hit 40.1 percent from the floor last year. The only other played with any experience whatsoever is Jonathan Graham (10 minutes and 1.6 ppg).

I know that Turgeon has a nice recruiting class -- but the only real impact guy is Trimble -- and the Terps are counting on him to play point, where he's really a combo guard. It's hard to see him being as good next season as Allen was last year. The other four guys are all four-star prospects .... I like Reed, but he's a 210-pound center -- hard to see him replacing Mitchell. And the slenderness of recruits such as Trimble, Reed and even Cekovsky can't help in a league as physical as the Big14.

Then there are the transfers. I hardly think Pack, a guy who averaged 17 ppg for a 9-23 team changes the balance of power. Maybe they get Mason, the best 5th year guy on the market. I'm sure they will add some others.

But it's going to be basically a new team, playing in a new league. Three core players returning -- one very good, one pretty good and one so mediocre that he's already transferred out of the Big 14 once. A combo guard playing point. A 210-pound center.

I think this team will be lucky to make the NIT ... which Maryland couldn't do in two of Turgeon's first three years.

gumbomoop
05-23-2014, 12:35 PM
Strongly disagree ... Turgeon has not been able to get them in the NCAA Tournament in the ACC (which has been weaker than the Big Ten during his three years there). Now he's going to do it after losing two projected starters (Mitchell and Allen) and three veteran rotation players (Faust, Cleare and Peters) to transfer? They lose five of the top eight players (both in terms of minutes played and scoring) -- all to transfer. That's my definition of implode.

Yes, I know they have Dez Wells -- a nice player coming back. And Jake Layman isn't bad -- even if he did hit 40.1 percent from the floor last year. I'm not a big fan on Smotrycz ... by coincidence, he also hit 40.1 percent from the floor last year. The only other played with any experience whatsoever is Jonathan Graham (10 minutes and 1.6 ppg).

I know that Turgeon has a nice recruiting class -- but the only real impact guy is Trimble -- and the Terps are counting on him to play point, where he's really a combo guard. It's hard to see him being as good next season as Allen was last year. The other four guys are all four-star prospects .... I like Reed, but he's a 210-pound center -- hard to see him replacing Mitchell. And the slenderness of recruits such as Trimble, Reed and even Cekovsky can't help in a league as physical as the Big14.

Then there are the transfers. I hardly think Pack, a guy who averaged 17 ppg for a 9-23 team changes the balance of power. Maybe they get Mason, the best 5th year guy on the market. I'm sure they will add some others.

But it's going to be basically a new team, playing in a new league. Three core players returning -- one very good, one pretty good and one so mediocre that he's already transferred out of the Big 14 once. A combo guard playing point. A 210-pound center.

I think this team will be lucky to make the NIT ... which Maryland couldn't do in two of Turgeon's first three years.

OK, we'll bet. No money, just for "I told you so, dimwit." I say Terps make 2015 NCAAT, you say no.

The winner will surely remember on March 15, 2015. The loser will need to come up with some excuse for being dimwitted. [I may have the advantage there, as I have practice at that sort of thing.]

Olympic Fan
05-23-2014, 12:42 PM
OK, we'll bet. No money, just for "I told you so, dimwit." I say Terps make 2015 NCAAT, you say no.

The winner will surely remember on March 15, 2015. The loser will need to come up with some excuse for being dimwitted. [I may have the advantage there, as I have practice at that sort of thing.]

Good suggestion ... the winner gets a strong "I told you so" and the loser has to offer a public mea culpa.

Knowing how my memory works -- the winner of the bet is responsible for reminding the loser (I have an odd habit of forgetting bets I lose, but I never forget bets I win ... I wonder how that works?)

cspan37421
05-23-2014, 01:14 PM
I agree with Olympic Fan on the flag thing. I've always thought the MD flag was kind of cool because it seemed so different. The MS flag strikes me as an ugly reminder of unrepentant racism. Perhaps not the most charitable view, but that's what comes to mind, and it's hard to think of it otherwise with a straight face.

Henderson
05-23-2014, 01:16 PM
We had a thread running a couple months ago when the rats started jumping ship. I think the title of the thread had the word "meltdown" in it. Some people made the point that when you've got that many people leaving your program, you need to examine some fundamentals and ask what's going on. Others said, "Oh no, it's fine. Not good, but isolated. Maryland will be fine. Nothing to see here. Move along."

Now even more people have left the program, and we're here. But it'd be bad form of me to link that other thread. Maybe someone on the back end of that would like to.

gumbomoop
05-23-2014, 01:22 PM
Good suggestion ... the winner gets a strong "I told you so" and the loser has to offer a public mea culpa.

Knowing how my memory works -- the winner of the bet is responsible for reminding the loser (I have an odd habit of forgetting bets I lose, but I never forget bets I win ... I wonder how that works?)

OK, I'll remind you .......

sagegrouse
05-23-2014, 02:32 PM
I agree with Olympic Fan on the flag thing. I've always thought the MD flag was kind of cool because it seemed so different. The MS flag strikes me as an ugly reminder of unrepentant racism. Perhaps not the most charitable view, but that's what comes to mind, and it's hard to think of it otherwise with a straight face.

The black-and-gold part was the original banner of the state, derived from the heraldry of the Calverts, the Catholic founders of the colony. The Crossland banner, which is the red-and-white part, is also of Calvert origin but was used by secessionists during the Civil War. The combination of the two was an attempt at reconciliation after the Civil War. I believe the flag is god-awful looking, but is at least of historical origin.

WRT the Univ. of Maryland, I always rooted against the Terps because of the boorishness of the fans, but I would be happy to see 'em kick butt in the Big Ten.

Here is a Turtle
06-06-2014, 10:21 AM
Georgia Tech transfer Robert Carter to Maryland (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11041482/maryland-terrapins-land-transfer-robert-carter-georgia-tech).

Sounds like Underarmour connection and a desire to get out of the south were the two big keys.

Kedsy
06-06-2014, 10:36 AM
Sounds like Underarmour connection and a desire to get out of the south were the two big keys.

Underarmour connection? In what way?

superdave
06-06-2014, 10:44 AM
Georgia Tech transfer Robert Carter to Maryland (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11041482/maryland-terrapins-land-transfer-robert-carter-georgia-tech).

Sounds like Underarmour connection and a desire to get out of the south were the two big keys.


Underarmour connection? In what way?

Here's a link with that reference, but no real explanation: http://www.testudotimes.com/2014/6/6/5755706/robert-carter-maryland-transfer

Was it an old AAU connection?

sagegrouse
06-06-2014, 10:45 AM
Georgia Tech transfer Robert Carter to Maryland (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11041482/maryland-terrapins-land-transfer-robert-carter-georgia-tech).

Sounds like Underarmour connection and a desire to get out of the south were the two big keys.


Underarmour connection? In what way?

Mebbe there's an Underarmour Railroad?

Here is a Turtle
06-06-2014, 10:46 AM
Underarmour connection? In what way?

Underarmour was founded by Maryland alum Kevin Plank. He played football at the school and came up with Underarmour in college. He made a business plan, and it took off after graduation. He donates a surprising amount of money to the business school and the football program. Not Phil Knight to Oregon and Stanford levels, but quite a bit of money. They push Underarmour hard here as a result.

The other schools Carter considered were South Carolina and St. Johns, both Underarmour schools. Kansas was the odd school without Underarmour.

Kedsy
06-06-2014, 10:50 AM
Underarmour was founded by Maryland alum Kevin Plank. He played football at the school and came up with Underarmour in college. He made a business plan, and it took off after graduation. He donates a surprising amount of money to the business school and the football program. Not Phil Knight to Oregon and Stanford levels, but quite a bit of money. They push Underarmour hard here as a result.

The other schools Carter considered were South Carolina and St. Johns, both Underarmour schools. Kansas was the odd school without Underarmour.

I understood the connection between Underarmour and Maryland. What I still don't understand is how or why that could have affected Carter's decision on where to transfer.


Mebbe there's an Underarmour Railroad?

Nice.

Here is a Turtle
06-06-2014, 10:52 AM
I understood the connection between Underarmour and Maryland. What I still don't understand is how or why that could have affected Carter's decision on where to transfer.



Nice.

His AAU or high school coach had an Underarmour connection I believe. Team was sponsored by Underarmour at one point.

Kedsy
06-06-2014, 11:11 AM
His AAU or high school coach had an Underarmour connection I believe. Team was sponsored by Underarmour at one point.

Still, it seems odd, doesn't it? What possible benefit could it accrue Carter by reestablishing his "connection" to Underarmour? They're not paying him, I assume. They're not promising him some future employment or endorsement, I hope. Obviously, I'm missing something, but I have no idea what.

lotusland
06-06-2014, 02:15 PM
His AAU or high school coach had an Underarmour connection I believe. Team was sponsored by Underarmour at one point.

OK I admit to being a cynic but, if true, what is not suspicious about a sponsor having this type of influence over where he transfers. Carter or possibly as handler would have to get something out of it besides that he just likes Underarmour products right? Otherwise that just seems like the crappiest reason ever for picking a school.

Olympic Fan
06-06-2014, 02:53 PM
Without going into the speculation about the WHY of the transfer, I do have the comment that the impact of landing Carter is a major plus for Turgeon and Maryland. He's a similar style player to the departed Charles Mitchell - but Carter is significantly better. He's the first impact guy that Turgeon has added to his program since Trimble signed.

I would be tempted to back out of my bet that Maryland will not make the 2015 NCAA field, except that Carter won't be able to play for the Terps until 2015-16.

In an interesting twist, Mitchell is looking at Georgia Tech as a possible destination. I would suggest that Carter for Mitchell would be the first straight-up player trade in ACC history. Of course, since Carter is better than Mitchell, it's an uneven trade. The Terps should throw in another player. What about Nick Faust? He's looking for a new home after Robinson was fired at Oregon State. Maybe he could join Mitchell at Georgia Tech ... that would be a trade that could help both teams!

Duvall
06-12-2014, 03:55 PM
Without going into the speculation about the WHY of the transfer, I do have the comment that the impact of landing Carter is a major plus for Turgeon and Maryland. He's a similar style player to the departed Charles Mitchell - but Carter is significantly better. He's the first impact guy that Turgeon has added to his program since Trimble signed.

I would be tempted to back out of my bet that Maryland will not make the 2015 NCAA field, except that Carter won't be able to play for the Terps until 2015-16.

In an interesting twist, Mitchell is looking at Georgia Tech as a possible destination. I would suggest that Carter for Mitchell would be the first straight-up player trade in ACC history. Of course, since Carter is better than Mitchell, it's an uneven trade. The Terps should throw in another player. What about Nick Faust? He's looking for a new home after Robinson was fired at Oregon State. Maybe he could join Mitchell at Georgia Tech ... that would be a trade that could help both teams!

The Commissioner has a trade to announce - Charles Mitchell to Georgia Tech for Robert Carter. (https://mobile.twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/477191149753348096?p=v)

No word on potential cash considerations in the deal.

Tripping William
06-13-2014, 02:21 PM
Tyler Cavanaugh this time.

http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wfu/basketball/cavanaugh-leaving-deacons/article_c108bfe2-f32e-11e3-8d12-0017a43b2370.html