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niveklaen
03-12-2014, 10:21 AM
Record 23-8
RPI 44
against Top 25: 0-6
against 26-50: 1-0
against 51-100: 5-2
Last 12: 6-6

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
03-12-2014, 10:31 AM
I'll bite....

I'll say no. The RPI ought to be square on the bubble, but the 1-6 v. top 50 doesn't impress me and 6-6 most recent record suggests they are trending the wrong direction.

Unless they have a freshman center phenom with a bad back that might return any moment.

tbyers11
03-12-2014, 10:36 AM
Record 23-8
RPI 44
against Top 25: 0-6
against 26-50: 1-0
against 51-100: 5-2
Last 12: 6-6

Yes, but I think they are about just barely on the right side of the bubble (about a 10 or 11 seed). If they beat UNC Friday they can make us all happy and ensure themselves a bid.

CameronBornAndBred
03-12-2014, 10:38 AM
Yes, especially being 5th in the conference with a record of 11-7.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
03-12-2014, 10:45 AM
Yes, but I think they are about just barely on the right side of the bubble (about a 10 or 11 seed). If they beat UNC Friday they can make us all happy and ensure themselves a bid.

Oh, now see, I was trying not to cheat by figuring out who they are. :)

Obviously, any team can improve their resume through the tournament.

Wander
03-12-2014, 10:45 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if they were the surprise team that gets left out, which seems to happen to someone every other year or so. They're probably rooting for Stanford, so they can at least say they beat a team that is in the tournament. I'm sure they'll be fine if they beat UNC.

Henderson
03-12-2014, 10:50 AM
Record 23-8
RPI 44
against Top 25: 0-6
against 26-50: 1-0
against 51-100: 5-2
Last 12: 6-6

The do if they win their conference. :cool:

But I wouldn't pick Pitt to win the ACC tourney.

Kedsy
03-12-2014, 11:47 AM
I wouldn't be shocked if they were the surprise team that gets left out, which seems to happen to someone every other year or so. They're probably rooting for Stanford, so they can at least say they beat a team that is in the tournament. I'm sure they'll be fine if they beat UNC.

Interestingly enough, in each of the past four seasons the team with the highest Pomeroy rank to be left out of the NCAA tourney field has been from the ACC:

2010: Virginia Tech, pre-T Pomeroy = 31
2011: Virginia Tech, pT P = 30
2012: Miami, pT P = 38
2013: Virginia, pT P = 27

If Pitt gets left out, at Pomeroy #21, they'd probably take the "prize" and continue the streak (unless #13 Tennessee also gets left out).

Also interesting, after being much more highly rated in Pomeroy than in real life, both Miami and Virginia won the ACC regular season crown the following year.

hurleyfor3
03-12-2014, 11:50 AM
I was gonna say if this had Pitt any more written on it it would be married to Angelina Jolie.

CameronBornAndBred
03-12-2014, 12:58 PM
Interestingly enough, in each of the past four seasons the team with the highest Pomeroy rank to be left out of the NCAA tourney field has been from the ACC:

2010: Virginia Tech, pre-T Pomeroy = 31
2011: Virginia Tech, pT P = 30
2012: Miami, pT P = 38
2013: Virginia, pT P = 27

If Pitt gets left out, at Pomeroy #21, they'd probably take the "prize" and continue the streak (unless #13 Tennessee also gets left out).

Also interesting, after being much more highly rated in Pomeroy than in real life, both Miami and Virginia won the ACC regular season crown the following year.
In 2010, VT finished 3rd in the conference and was left out, that is a scary thought. Here are the conference standings of each of those teams you mentioned.
2010: Virginia Tech 3rd, 10-6, 25-9
2011: Virginia Tech 4th, 9-7, 22-12 (Much more reasonable that they got left home.)
2012: Miami 6th, 9-7, 20-13 (Ewww...totally deserving of NIT)
2013: Virginia 5th, 11-7, 23-12. (Perfect bubble spot that they landed on wrong side of.)

In 2010, FSU (4th), Clemson (5th)and Wake Forest (6th) all went to the NCAA with worse records. I would have hated to be Seth Greenberg after the last selections were announced.
In 2011, Clemson also leapfrogged VT and went to the NCAA's.
So...in retrospect, if I were Jamie Dixon, I'd be sweating a little, but still fairly comfortable.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
03-12-2014, 01:01 PM
I was gonna say if this had Pitt any more written on it it would be married to Angelina Jolie.

Or at least be in a long-term committed relationship with her involving several children.

Tom B.
03-12-2014, 05:13 PM
In 2010, VT finished 3rd in the conference and was left out, that is a scary thought. Here are the conference standings of each of those teams you mentioned.
2010: Virginia Tech 3rd, 10-6, 25-9
2011: Virginia Tech 4th, 9-7, 22-12 (Much more reasonable that they got left home.)
2012: Miami 6th, 9-7, 20-13 (Ewww...totally deserving of NIT)
2013: Virginia 5th, 11-7, 23-12. (Perfect bubble spot that they landed on wrong side of.)

In 2010, FSU (4th), Clemson (5th)and Wake Forest (6th) all went to the NCAA with worse records. I would have hated to be Seth Greenberg after the last selections were announced.
In 2011, Clemson also leapfrogged VT and went to the NCAA's.
So...in retrospect, if I were Jamie Dixon, I'd be sweating a little, but still fairly comfortable.




Virginia Tech's problem in 2010 and 2011 was that they played absolutely dreadful out-of-conference schedules (their OOC schedule strength was typically in the bottom 20 or 30 of the 300-something Division I programs), and almost never beat anybody good. I say "almost never" because they did beat Duke in late February of 2011 and probably would've made the Tournament if they'd just taken care of business the rest of the way, but they promptly turned around and lost their last two regular season games to unranked Boston College and Clemson. BC, Clemson and Virginia Tech all finished with 9-7 records in the ACC that year. Virginia Tech had played a bad OOC schedule and had some other losses that hurt them (including another loss to BC, a loss to a bad Georgia Tech team, and two losses to a mediocre Virginia team that finished 16-15 (7-9)), so they were the odd man out.

OldPhiKap
03-12-2014, 05:32 PM
Yes, but I think they are about just barely on the right side of the bubble (about a 10 or 11 seed). If they beat UNC Friday they can make us all happy and ensure themselves a bid.

If they lose to Wake tomorrow, though, I'd be sweating like Gary about making it.

Tom B.
03-13-2014, 01:36 PM
If they lose to Wake tomorrow, though, I'd be sweating like Gary about making it.




For whatever it's worth (probably not much), I noticed last night that ESPN's Joe Lunardi is now calling Pitt a "bubble team." He's got the ACC with only four "locks" -- Virginia, Syracuse, Duke and UNC.

Turk
03-14-2014, 04:36 PM
Well, I think the Panthers have just about punched their ticket...

CDu
03-14-2014, 04:45 PM
Well, I think the Panthers have just about punched their ticket...

Not so fast my friend... Pitt is trying hard to throw it away. They have not handled the press AT ALL.

niveklaen
03-14-2014, 05:15 PM
With this win I have gone from 'worried they wont make it' to 'upset if they dont'