Carolina fans never cease to amaze me

[DBFAN]

So I had to share this

I put a pic up today on FB of the New Duke T-shirts that are on the front page, saying that I gotta get one

Within minutes, the first thing a Carolina fan says this

That's a Duke shirt right? Same Duke family as Duke Power co. right? You do remember reading about their coal ash mishap right? Yeah be proud of that."

Then I say well even tho James Duke is what the power company is named after, that it doesn't really have anything to do with the School and mens basketball team

Of course this person then attempts the whole since I cheer for Duke that I am talking down to him.

That was prob one of the more absurd arguments I have ever had with a UNC fan. Feel free to share your stories

[Dukehky]

So I had to share this

I put a pic up today on FB of the New Duke T-shirts that are on the front page, saying that I gotta get one

Within minutes, the first thing a Carolina fan says this

That's a Duke shirt right? Same Duke family as Duke Power co. right? You do remember reading about their coal ash mishap right? Yeah be proud of that."

Then I say well even tho James Duke is what the power company is named after, that it doesn't really have anything to do with the School and mens basketball team

Of course this person then attempts the whole since I cheer for Duke that I am talking down to him.

That was prob one of the more absurd arguments I have ever had with a UNC fan. Feel free to share your stories


Duke Energy sponsors the monitors inside the Dean Dome. They're morons, and collectively, the worst group of sports fans I've been unfortunate enough to come into contact with.

[plimnko]

come on....they can read over there??

[Gthoma2a]

They are reaching. There is a scandal within their university (that exists inside the university, not a name-sake or alumni), so they have to deflect. With that being said, we do need to consider the message on the front of the t-shirt being misunderstood (other things, not Duke Energy).

[Des Esseintes]

They are reaching. There is a scandal within their university (that exists inside the university, not a name-sake or alumni), so they have to deflect. With that being said, we do need to consider the message on the front of the t-shirt being misunderstood (other things, not Duke Energy).

Yeah. It's awfully hard to complain about charges of elitism and condescension when you're rocking what very much appears to be a condescending, elitist tshirt.

[throatybeard]

And here I thought this thread was going to be about how they've taken a massive internet crap all over our--get this, seriously, think about it--67 year old coach with two fake hips because he had a dizziness issue at the Wake Forest game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I never want to live in North Carolina again, and it's because of these folks.

[Matches]

Duke Energy sponsors the monitors inside the Dean Dome.

Do they also pipe in the crowd noise, or is that handled by a different vendor?

[Newton_14]

And here I thought this thread was going to be about how they've taken a massive internet crap all over our--get this, seriously, think about it--67 year old coach with two fake hips because he had a dizziness issue at the Wake Forest game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I never want to live in North Carolina again, and it's because of these folks.

First thing I heard walking into the office Thursday morning: So is K going to petition the NCAA to remove the Wake loss from his record since he was "dizzy" ha ha ha"

It was downhill from there the remainder of the day....

[Dukehky]

Do they also pipe in the crowd noise, or is that handled by a different vendor?

Funny enough they sponsor the "noise meter," which obviously is a farce. To give them credit, the game a few weeks ago did get pretty loud...

But yeah!!! Rawr!!! I hates them.

[Chicken Little]

First thing I heard walking into the office Thursday morning: So is K going to petition the NCAA to remove the Wake loss from his record since he was "dizzy" ha ha ha"

It was downhill from there the remainder of the day....

This coming from UNC fans is exceptionally hypocritical. I can't remember the last time I saw a Carolina game without Roy's Vertigo flaring up. I believe it's a genuine medical condition, but glass houses, people.

Maybe they mention this with a bit of optimism? If Coach K sets this precedent with the NCAA, Williams can probably wipe every loss in his career off the board.

[Atlanta Duke]

The Tar Heel fan you met should have gone all in and stated since Duke was built with tobacco money anyone who is rooting for Duke is rooting for death.

[Dukehky]

This coming from UNC fans is exceptionally hypocritical. I can't remember the last time I saw a Carolina game without Roy's Vertigo flaring up. I believe it's a genuine medical condition, but glass houses, people.

Maybe they mention this with a bit of optimism? If Coach K sets this precedent with the NCAA, Williams can probably wipe every loss in his career off the board.

That Vertigo is a daggum disaster.

Words literally cannot express how badly I want for Duke to wipe the court with Carolina tomorrow. The baby-blue shirts from Wal-Mart are becoming more and more prevalent everywhere I go. It's making my blood pressure rise just thinking about it

[oldnavy]

I have to be careful, because NOT all UNC fans are the same. My wife is a fairly reasonable UNC fan...

BUT - I have a friend who is an absolute loon and completely ridiculous in his Duke-hate. He claimed to be "offended" by Duke students 'allegedly' harassing a fellow student for making pornographic movies (??).... I didn't even get into that with him, so I am not sure what he was talking about...

However the larger point would be... REALLY?? "You care one way or the other about college students harassing fellow college students... why?? Well the only reason he would bring it up, was to make the claim that Duke is full of elitist snobs who should be ashamed of themselves for being so judgemental... which I find HILARIOUS coming from a UNC grad who is judging Duke students or something...

I have found the best tactic in dealing with the fringe element of UNC fans is to agree with whatever they say... you will never get them to be rational, and if you feed their paranoia (Duke gets all the calls, Coach K rules the illuminati, etc..) they just get spun up to the point of apoplexy!!

Fun to watch!

[Wheat/"/"/"]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

[Dukehky]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

While I agree, when you live in NC, you can't ignore all of them all the time. On my way into the Dean Dome, a student spit on me, and on the way out I got a bottle thrown at me. I wasn't even obnoxious, I just had on a blue rain-jacket, it wasn't even Duke. For all they know I was a UNC fan with a "bad" colored jacket. People attending the Duke v. UNC game probably aren't the super trashy UNC fans that I'm sure you are thinking about.

I've been harassed quite a bit at the ACC tournament over the years as well. The majority of UNC fans are at least friendly, but I've encountered enough jerks that I think there are more "fringe" fans than I would ever care to deal with.

I'm sure that there are a lot of Duke fans like this, but they leave me alone, so I'll defer to you in that realm.

This is one of my favorite arguments: I hate Coach K because he f-in looks like a rat and curses so f-ing much on the sideline.

Well friend, you just dropped two very casual F bombs in conversation, so... what exactly is your problem with someone doing it in the heat of competition? Just silly, silly stuff.

[jacone21]

Sometimes it's nice to be down here in the South Georgia boonies. Nobody here cares if there's a Duke/UNC game tomorrow night. They're too busy reading football recruiting reports and getting ready for Spring tailgating... not that there's anything wrong with that.

[FerryFor50]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

Easier said than done when you live in the middle of NC. If we all lived in FL, we likely wouldn't have to hear this garbage at all.

I had to remind a UNC fan who created a meme on Facebook about Duke losing to Wake that UNC *also* lost to Wake. That devolved into "oh I bet you're going to make fun of the academic issues now" and "look at our long storied history" and "our 6 titles" (yes, they are including the Helms trophy). I didn't bother arguing after that because it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with stupid. It just uses its super power of getting even stupider.

[jv001]

Easier said than done when you live in the middle of NC. If we all lived in FL, we likely wouldn't have to hear this garbage at all.

I had to remind a UNC fan who created a meme on Facebook about Duke losing to Wake that UNC *also* lost to Wake. That devolved into "oh I bet you're going to make fun of the academic issues now" and "look at our long storied history" and "our 6 titles" (yes, they are including the Helms trophy). I didn't bother arguing after that because it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with stupid. It just uses its super power of getting even stupider.

And it's been this way since I became a college basketball fan. That was around 1957 and most of them are still in the "stupid" category. Notice I said, most because Wheat and some of my UNC friends are intelligent basketball fans. Beat UNV and GoDuke!

[FerryFor50]

And it's been this way since I became a college basketball fan. That was around 1957 and most of them are still in the "stupid" category. Notice I said, most because Wheat and some of my UNC friends are intelligent basketball fans. Beat UNV and GoDuke!

Oh then you actually remember that 5th UNC title that they still tout in arguments where they say "UNC has more titles than Duke." I don't really even count any titles won by schools before the 70s, because college basketball was nowhere near like the modern game. No shot clock, segregation many of those years, small number of schools playing, blatant payment to players, etc.

I mean, they count in a historical aspect, but in the grand scheme of things?

[jv001]

Oh then you actually remember that 5th UNC title that they still tout in arguments where they say "UNC has more titles than Duke." I don't really even count any titles won by schools before the 70s, because college basketball was nowhere near like the modern game. No shot clock, segregation many of those years, small number of schools playing, blatant payment to players, etc.

I mean, they count in a historical aspect, but in the grand scheme of things?

The 1957 UNC team that went undefeated and beat Kansas and Wilt was the first team that I followed. And the reason I followed them was because most of my buddies on our high school football team were big UNC fans. The next year, I wised up and became a Duke fan. However I was a bigger Duke football fan than basketball fan. I was a good football player and not much of a basketball player. But it wasn't long that I began liking all things Duke and have ever since. Beat UNC and GoDuke!

[Dukehky]

The 1957 UNC team that went undefeated and beat Kansas and Wilt was the first team that I followed. And the reason I followed them was because most of my buddies on our high school football team were big UNC fans. The next year, I wised up and became a Duke fan. However I was a bigger Duke football fan than basketball fan. I was a good football player and not much of a basketball player. But it wasn't long that I began liking all things Duke and have ever since. Beat UNC and GoDuke!

When people say six titles, I say, hey if you can tell me the name of the coach and the best player of the '57 team, then you can claim it.

They are running about 1 for 15 in that little piece of trivia. For goodness sakes I have forgotten more about UNC basketball than most of them will ever know, but then again, I don't really have a life outside of ACC basketball, so maybe the joke's on me.

(the answer is McGuire and Rosenbluth for anyone wondering)

[weezie]

Of course this person then attempts the whole since I cheer for Duke that I am talking down to him.


I don't have any stories since I really do talk down to them. It's kinda my thing! I laugh in their faces a lot, too. :cool::cool::cool:

[TruBlu]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

Tar Heels are the "Scurrilous with the Fringe on Top"**

** with apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein

[BigWayne]

Easier said than done when you live in the middle of NC. If we all lived in FL, we likely wouldn't have to hear this garbage at all.

I had to remind a UNC fan who created a meme on Facebook about Duke losing to Wake that UNC *also* lost to Wake. That devolved into "oh I bet you're going to make fun of the academic issues now" and "look at our long storied history" and "our 6 titles" (yes, they are including the Helms trophy). I didn't bother arguing after that because it is IMPOSSIBLE to argue with stupid. It just uses its super power of getting even stupider.

Yes, the 4th law reigns supreme. Only possible positive outcome is to stay away. (http://harmful.cat-v.org/people/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/)

[weezie]

Come on folks! Do I have to quote myself again (although that is so fun :D )
Save yourselves the angst and just talk down to them.
A sad/happy smile and a tisk-tisk does wonders.

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

After the first game a few weeks ago, I was hitting the beer aisle in Harris Teeter proudly wearing my duke gear despite the outcome. There was a not-so-friendly looking woman offering a wine tasting which I politely declined. As I did, a different woman wearing the wrong shade of blue walked by and, with me literally standing right there, the wine lady called out loudly to this woman asking if she would like a "celebratory tasting." I could only shake my head and walk away.

[NiceMarmot]

After the first game a few weeks ago, I was hitting the beer aisle in Harris Teeter proudly wearing my duke gear despite the outcome. There was a not-so-friendly looking woman offering a wine tasting which I politely declined. As I did, a different woman wearing the wrong shade of blue walked by and, with me literally standing right there, the wine lady called out loudly to this woman asking if she would like a "celebratory tasting." I could only shake my head and walk away.

Maybe you should have offered one as well...

[DukieInKansas]

I had a client that would like to tease me about Duke bball, especially after a loss. My usual response was "You are right. I'm not even sure we could beat the Crittenden Home for Unwed Mothers this year." It always put a stop to the conversation as he didn't know how to respond. It also helped that he was hard of hearing so he didn't stand a chance of hearing any thoughts that might have been thought out loud.

[throatybeard]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

With y'all, its not your fringe. It's your mainstream. You have made the state of North Carolina a hellhole of hostility, nastiness, and intimidation. I'm talking about stuff like the Hinton James beating.

[jv001]

When people say six titles, I say, hey if you can tell me the name of the coach and the best player of the '57 team, then you can claim it.

They are running about 1 for 15 in that little piece of trivia. For goodness sakes I have forgotten more about UNC basketball than most of them will ever know, but then again, I don't really have a life outside of ACC basketball, so maybe the joke's on me.

(the answer is McGuire and Rosenbluth for anyone wondering)

You are correct my Duke friend. Rosenbluth, Quigg, Kearns, Cunningham and Brennan? Too long ago and I feel dirty posting those names. Beat UNC and GoDuke!

[Newton_14]

With y'all, its not your fringe. It's your mainstream. You have made the state of North Carolina a hellhole of hostility, nastiness, and intimidation. I'm talking about stuff like the Hinton James beating.

Unfortunately, having lived here all of my 47 years and 11 months, i can attest that you are 100% correct. For UNC the "Fringe is the Mainstream". NC State has a fringe element smaller than the mainstream. Duke has a small fringe element that is smaller than the mainstream.

With unc you get about 1% reasonable grad or grad/fan, and 99% of them are unbearable/unsufferable schmucks.

With my temper combined with how bad I hate those schmucks, how I made out of Greensboro after Lehigh in one piece is beyond amazing. (I guess because I had just met and sat with DU82 for the first time and I did not want to make a fool of myself :) )

[throatybeard]

Unfortunately, having lived here all of my 47 years and 11 months, i can attest that you are 100% correct. For UNC the "Fringe is the Mainstream". NC State has a fringe element smaller than the mainstream. Duke has a small fringe element that is smaller than the mainstream.

With unc you get about 1% reasonable grad or grad/fan, and 99% of them are unbearable/unsufferable schmucks.

With my temper combined with how bad I hate those schmucks, how I made out of Greensboro after Lehigh in one piece is beyond amazing. (I guess because I had just met and sat with DU82 for the first time and I did not want to make a fool of myself :) )

Word.

I had the misfortune to follow my friend to UNC's Blue/White game in 1994-95. Not a game. Not PRACTICE </Iverson>. Just their scrimmage. UNC fans tried to start a fight with us.

In 1997, I went to the Duke at UNC game that we lost by six even though Wojo went off. Two things happened. One, Greg Newton inadvertently threw an elbow to Ro, and knocked him out. The UNC fans cheered that a Duke guy was on the floor. They cheered a Duke injury. It was unbelievably sick. Secondly, I was leaving the game, and I didn't say anything to anybody, but I did have a Duke shirt on. And an old guy got in my face and screamed at my about how "Duke is a $hitty institution." Yeah, I'm sure this is a terrible research university.

In 1999, the Hinton James beating. That really shows you what UNC people are about. That is the landmark evidence.

Every time I ever went to the dentists or the pharmacist in North Carolina, people were complete a-holes to me.

Thank God we won tonight.

These are the kind of people Wheat says are "fringe." But they aren't. They are mainstream UNC sickos.

[Billy Dat]

With y'all, its not your fringe. It's your mainstream. You have made the state of North Carolina a hellhole of hostility, nastiness, and intimidation. I'm talking about stuff like the Hinton James beating.

What is the Hinton James beating?

[Dukehky]

Unfortunately, having lived here all of my 47 years and 11 months, i can attest that you are 100% correct. For UNC the "Fringe is the Mainstream". NC State has a fringe element smaller than the mainstream. Duke has a small fringe element that is smaller than the mainstream.

With unc you get about 1% reasonable grad or grad/fan, and 99% of them are unbearable/unsufferable schmucks.

With my temper combined with how bad I hate those schmucks, how I made out of Greensboro after Lehigh in one piece is beyond amazing. (I guess because I had just met and sat with DU82 for the first time and I did not want to make a fool of myself :) )

I felt the exact same way. Not a fun evening, made worse by the terrible people filling out the GC

[Dr. Rosenrosen]

I asked my wife to give me the longest list of errands she can come up with just so I can wear my gear around town all damn day long!

[throatybeard]

What is the Hinton James beating?

In 1999, we beat Carolina for the first time at their place since 1991, despite several close calls in 1992 and 1996 and 1997. That 1999 team was amazing, and we fixed their wagon, 81-61. My friends and I watched this game in a Chapel Tower apt where I lived. It was so warm that even though it was February, we ran the A/C. We decided, young and stupid as we were, that it would be fun to go down to C-H.

Nothing happened to us.

Outside the Hinton James dormitory, a crowd of over 100 people cheered as three Carolina guys beat the crap out of a Duke guy. It was in the paper. It's not the 3-on-1 as much as the cheering crowd.

This is what kind of people they are.

[Billy Dat]

In 1999, we beat Carolina for the first time at their place since 1991, despite several close calls in 1992 and 1996 and 1997. That 1999 team was amazing, and we fixed their wagon, 81-61. My friends and I watched this game in a Chapel Tower apt where I lived. It was so warm that even though it was February, we ran the A/C. We decided, young and stupid as we were, that it would be fun to go down to C-H.

Nothing happened to us.

Outside the Hinton James dormitory, a crowd of over 100 people cheered as three Carolina guys beat the crap out of a Duke guy. It was in the paper. It's not the 3-on-1 as much as the cheering crowd.

This is what kind of people they are.

Yuck. Thanks for the info. That was a great win, as was the equally bad waxing we gave them one week later in the ACC final.

[DU82]

Unfortunately, having lived here all of my 47 years and 11 months, i can attest that you are 100% correct. For UNC the "Fringe is the Mainstream". NC State has a fringe element smaller than the mainstream. Duke has a small fringe element that is smaller than the mainstream.

With unc you get about 1% reasonable grad or grad/fan, and 99% of them are unbearable/unsufferable schmucks.

With my temper combined with how bad I hate those schmucks, how I made out of Greensboro after Lehigh in one piece is beyond amazing. (I guess because I had just met and sat with DU82 for the first time and I did not want to make a fool of myself :) )

Don't let me ever stop you from putting Carolina "fans" in their proper place!

[Indoor66]

When people say six titles, I say, hey if you can tell me the name of the coach and the best player of the '57 team, then you can claim it.

They are running about 1 for 15 in that little piece of trivia. For goodness sakes I have forgotten more about UNC basketball than most of them will ever know, but then again, I don't really have a life outside of ACC basketball, so maybe the joke's on me.

(the answer is McGuire and Rosenbluth for anyone wondering)

Wouldn't that question be more appropriate for the 1924 team that Helms Bakery selected as champions about 25 years later? Who was the coach and name any one player!

[Newton_14]

Wouldn't that question be more appropriate for the 1924 team that Helms Bakery selected as champions about 25 years later? Who was the coach and name any one player!

Better yet, ask them what the score was in the title game, and who did they beat...

[throatybeard]

Better yet, ask them what the score was in the title game, and who did they beat...

And what color all of the players' skin wasn't.

[sagegrouse]

And what color all of the players' skin wasn't.

Well, let's see.... the team's nickname was the "White Phantoms."

[Olympic Fan]

Well, let's see.... the team's nickname was the "White Phantoms."

The UNC team that went to the Final Four in 1946 was still called the White Phantoms. By the 1957 title team, the nickname Tar Heels had taken over and UNC did its best to forget that for 50 years, it's athletic teams celebrated the Klan.

BTW ... on the theme of how nuts Carolina fans are, if you visited their boards after last night's game, one of their themes was that the fact that Duke students didn't rush the floor after beating them proves that Carolina "wants it more" ... not that rushing the court after a win is a move that the inferior program makes. Carolina doesn't rush the floor when they beat Clemson or NC State at home, but beat Duke (and not even in thrilling fashion) and they rush the court -- an acknowledgement that Duke is now the superior program.

I think there is more evidence that Carolina "wants it more"

They want it so much they create fake classes and change grades (over 200 fake classes and over 500 suspicious grade changes since 2007 according to the Jim Martin report) to keep their illiterate and near-illiterate players eligible.

They want it so much they look the other way when their star players are showered with illegal benefits by drug dealers (and this summer's failure to monitor was when they were already on probation for failure to monitor).

They want it so much that they're willing to trash their school's academic reputation in order to win at basketball.

Yeah, I guess they do want it more than us.

[FerryFor50]

The UNC team that went to the Final Four in 1946 was still called the White Phantoms. By the 1957 title team, the nickname Tar Heels had taken over and UNC did its best to forget that for 50 years, it's athletic teams celebrated the Klan.

BTW ... on the theme of how nuts Carolina fans are, if you visited their boards after last night's game, one of their themes was that the fact that Duke students didn't rush the floor after beating them proves that Carolina "wants it more" ... not that rushing the court after a win is a move that the inferior program makes. Carolina doesn't rush the floor when they beat Clemson or NC State at home, but beat Duke (and not even in thrilling fashion) and they rush the court -- an acknowledgement that Duke is now the superior program.

I think there is more evidence that Carolina "wants it more"

They want it so much they create fake classes and change grades (over 200 fake classes and over 500 suspicious grade changes since 2007 according to the Jim Martin report) to keep their illiterate and near-illiterate players eligible.

They want it so much they look the other way when their star players are showered with illegal benefits by drug dealers (and this summer's failure to monitor was when they were already on probation for failure to monitor).

They want it so much that they're willing to trash their school's academic reputation in order to win at basketball.

Yeah, I guess they do want it more than us.

Wow. I never knew that about the Holes. More to dislike about them now... Unless "phantoms" was used because they loved Rolls Royce...

[Newton_14]

Wow. I never knew that about the Holes. More to dislike about them now... Unless "phantoms" was used because they loved Rolls Royce...

Love their new uni's

3995

[jdj4duke]

From a newsstand in O'Hare last week. I am sure that any unc fans were not amused as they walked by (no snide comments about being able to read and all that). 3996

[Merlindevildog91]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

"Fringe unc fans" reminds me of the joke that the 99% of lawyers that give the practice of law a bad name really offend the other 1% of us.

Many times I had told my better half that I could wear a shirt all over downtown Greensboro that proclaimed a desire to do something unspeakable to the Almighty, and no one would say a word, but if I wore a Duke shirt some idiot would make a comment. He never believed me until one morning we were in line at the bank (and I had just gotten through telling him I probably shouldn't wear my Duke sweatshirt because I didn't feel like listening to anything stupid that day) when the assistant manager walked past and said they were having a sale on loans, stopped and looked at me and said, "Go heels!" I looked at my better half and said, "Told ya." He then asked me if I went to Duke, and I said no, I just wore the shirt so ______s like him would have something to comment on.

I could go on and on, and I expect every Duke fan on this board and every other one could do the same.

[DukeBlueHeart4]

3997So I got reminded today of why I cannot stand UNC fans.

1. Got an e-mail bright and early reminding me that although the sky was ugly gray after that terrible Duke victory on Sunday, it had returned to God's preferred shade of blue here in the Carolinas today.

2. A fan self-righteously asked "Have you heard about that Duke Women's Studies major who is making adult movies (only they used a different word)? How classy is that? It's all over CNN and everything."

I just smiled and changed my screensaver to a picture of Jabari happily jumping up in front of the Crazies.

[Newton_14]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

You should really move to RTP for about one year, stop by the student store and get you some Duke gear and wear it often for that 12 month year, pretending to be a Duke fan. Then and only then will you understand there is no "fringe element" in the unc fanbase.

[msdukie]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I never want to live in North Carolina again, and it's because of these folks.

And this is why every time someone starts a dumb poll like "would you rather beat Carolina or end Syracuse's undefeated streak" they should just be banned from DBR.

[DBFAN]

I really didn't expect my thread would take off like this, but it's comforting to know I'm not the only to deal with these people..;). But I honestly had forgotten about this... You know... Since we beat them...lol

But I will say this. The 1 and only thing I posted to FB after the game was the "order has been restored pic" because that's all we have to say.... And I know that just makes them want to scream... And I rather enjoy that

:cool:

[FerryFor50]

And this is why every time someone starts a dumb poll like "would you rather beat Carolina or end Syracuse's undefeated streak" they should just be banned from DBR.

Well to be fair, it *was* a silly Syracuse fan that asked. ;)

[Lid]

You should really move to RTP for about one year, stop by the student store and get you some Duke gear and wear it often for that 12 month year, pretending to be a Duke fan. Then and only then will you understand there is no "fringe element" in the unc fanbase.

This. Even better, dress your school-age children in Duke shirts, and go to the grocery store. If you're really brave, take them to the ACC tournament.

[jipops]

IMO, you guys just need to learn to ignore the fringe side of both fan bases that say and do stupid stuff.

It's more enjoyable to just watch the games when you master that.

You may want to believe it's fringe, but it is very much the norm. I've lived in this state my entire life and from childhood to adulthood the verbal mockery and mean-spiritedness has never changed. I get your point that there are probably a lot of Duke fans that just get a little too sensitive but many of us built up the thick skin, otherwise you'll just drive yourself crazy. I can tell you there have been numerous cases where I've had on a Duke shirt in March and some stranger just walks by and says "F* Duke" with their unc shirt on. Now I have many classy friends who are UNC fans with whom I can have intelligent objective conversations with, but THESE people are the real fringe.

[wilko]

So I got reminded today of why I cannot stand UNC fans.
If not for the UNC Fans, I could prolly ignore UNC altogether... Kinda like how if I'm the only car on the road I dont feel compelled to speed - but if other cars are out there I have to stay in front...


1. Got an e-mail bright and early reminding me that although the sky was ugly gray after that terrible Duke victory on Sunday, it had returned to God's preferred shade of blue here in the Carolinas today.
The sky is that color so we dont have to step in it.


2. A fan self-righteously asked "Have you heard about that Duke Women's Studies major who is making adult movies (only they used a different word)? How classy is that? It's all over CNN and everything."
So what - we've must have come along way from Matt Dohertys proclamation over our cheerleaders then haven't we? Cant have it BOTH ways... Side's at least she had the sense to make money out of the deal. Shes prolly debt free and in the black!

[roywhite]

You may want to believe it's fringe, but it is very much the norm. I've lived in this state my entire life and from childhood to adulthood the verbal mockery and mean-spiritedness has never changed. I get your point that there are probably a lot of Duke fans that just get a little too sensitive but many of us built up the thick skin, otherwise you'll just drive yourself crazy. I can tell you there have been numerous cases where I've had on a Duke shirt in March and some stranger just walks by and says "F* Duke" with their unc shirt on. Now I have many classy friends who are UNC fans with whom I can have intelligent objective conversations with, but THESE people are the real fringe.

Yep; a few years back, went out to dinner with a group of about 10 to celebrate my birthday; there was one Tar Heel fan (boy friend of my wife's best friend) who managed to leave his mark. When the group sang "Happy Birthday" he looked my way and chimed in "Go Heels" at the end. Amazingly rude.

[Gthoma2a]

The UNC team that went to the Final Four in 1946 was still called the White Phantoms. By the 1957 title team, the nickname Tar Heels had taken over and UNC did its best to forget that for 50 years, it's athletic teams celebrated the Klan.

BTW ... on the theme of how nuts Carolina fans are, if you visited their boards after last night's game, one of their themes was that the fact that Duke students didn't rush the floor after beating them proves that Carolina "wants it more" ... not that rushing the court after a win is a move that the inferior program makes. Carolina doesn't rush the floor when they beat Clemson or NC State at home, but beat Duke (and not even in thrilling fashion) and they rush the court -- an acknowledgement that Duke is now the superior program.

I think there is more evidence that Carolina "wants it more"

They want it so much they create fake classes and change grades (over 200 fake classes and over 500 suspicious grade changes since 2007 according to the Jim Martin report) to keep their illiterate and near-illiterate players eligible.

They want it so much they look the other way when their star players are showered with illegal benefits by drug dealers (and this summer's failure to monitor was when they were already on probation for failure to monitor).

They want it so much that they're willing to trash their school's academic reputation in order to win at basketball.

Yeah, I guess they do want it more than us.

Can we get a link of a write-up on that first part? I would like to show that to some people. It is disgusting that a university would have that, on top of their monuments to confederate soldiers and institution that was built with slave labor. I don't see how in the world this isn't something that gets mentioned more.

[wilko]

Can we get a link of a write-up on that first part? I would like to show that to some people. It is disgusting that a university would have that, on top of their monuments to confederate soldiers and institution that was built with slave labor. I don't see how in the world this isn't something that gets mentioned more.

I'm not sure that mud slinging over this is gonna work out well for anyone.
It ain't like we don't have Robert E Lee on the Chapel entrance.

[ancienteagle]

Every time a UNC fan gives me one of those "Go Heels!" salutations, I always respond with, "And we both know WHERE they can go, don't we?" Leaves them sputtering or laughing, depending on their disposition.

[wilko]

Every time a UNC fan gives me one of those "Go Heels!" salutations, I always respond with, "And we both know WHERE they can go, don't we?" Leaves them sputtering or laughing, depending on their disposition.

I'll have "What is Class" for 1k, Alex.

[Gthoma2a]

I'm not sure that mud slinging over this is gonna work out well for anyone.
It ain't like we don't have Robert E Lee on the Chapel entrance.

Our chapel carving was largely an ode to famous Methodists (granted, I think we could have done without that particular one), but their honoring the klan with their team nickname for years after being built by slaves and commemorating fallen soldiers of the confederacy seems more egregious to me. I mean, it went well into the 40s and directly went towards what the klan's fear tactic was supposed to be (they dressed like "ghosts", initially). Then, they have the nerve to attack us for having a lot of white players coming through our program in the modern era? They should be hit with that all the time, IMO. I will defend our chapel, but I challenge them to put their nickname into a context other than pure racism.

[jipops]

Yep; a few years back, went out to dinner with a group of about 10 to celebrate my birthday; there was one Tar Heel fan (boy friend of my wife's best friend) who managed to leave his mark. When the group sang "Happy Birthday" he looked my way and chimed in "Go Heels" at the end. Amazingly rude.

I don't think that's so bad if you know the guy well enough (if you didn't know really know him, then yea pretty rude). I think that's the type of thing that goes with every rivalry. I have all types of affiliations in my family and we rib each other from time to time, that is the true fun of the rivalry. I just can't take it when complete strangers want to spew their classless mess right at my face, when all that may have provoked it was a simple t-shirt with the university's name spelled correctly. My car has a Duke bumper sticker. By March it's usually warm enough to have the windows down and start enjoying the NC Spring (and the pollen that goes with it). This is also the time I start hearing 'F* Duke' at stoplights, not a simple and good-natured 'Go Heels!'. It is by no means fringe, it's incessant. And it makes all the wins against them that much sweeter.

[flyingdutchdevil]

I've been fortunate to primarily be surrounded by Duke fans and non-UNC fans (or indifferent fans). Even after 6 years in Durham, I haven't come across many friends (or even friends of friends) who are die-hard UNC fans. Of course, I see them in bars, but at least they aren't at my school (obviously not. And the few UNC undergrads in my grad program were smart enough not to bad mouth Duke) or workplace.

I will say that I have come across more pleasant UNC fans than non-pleasant. I believe that I may be the only one on this forum to do so. I don't like the school, I really don't like the program, but I have to admit that the fans I've come across aren't that bad. Maybe it's because there is enough Duke hate as is and I can't really distinguish between the Duke hate from UNCers and the Duke hate from everyone else. To me, it's kinda all the same.

[arnie]

I've been fortunate to primarily be surrounded by Duke fans and non-UNC fans (or indifferent fans). Even after 6 years in Durham, I haven't come across many friends (or even friends of friends) who are die-hard UNC fans. Of course, I see them in bars, but at least they aren't at my school (obviously not. And the few UNC undergrads in my grad program were smart enough not to bad mouth Duke) or workplace.

I will say that I have come across more pleasant UNC fans than non-pleasant. I believe that I may be the only one on this forum to do so. I don't like the school, I really don't like the program, but I have to admit that the fans I've come across aren't that bad. Maybe it's because there is enough Duke hate as is and I can't really distinguish between the Duke hate from UNCers and the Duke hate from everyone else. To me, it's kinda all the same.

You have been truly blessed to not experience the level of hate many of us witness daily. Maybe I need to buy the same bubble you're living on!

[flyingdutchdevil]

You have been truly blessed to not experience the level of hate many of us witness daily. Maybe I need to buy the same bubble you're living on!

It's called Boston. They don't really know what college sports are up here. It's pro this and pro that.

College is a place where you study so that you can afford $400 Red Sox tickets. College isn't a place where you can study and go to games at the same time.

[arnie]

It's called Boston. They don't really know what college sports are up here. It's pro this and pro that.

College is a place where you study so that you can afford $400 Red Sox tickets. College isn't a place where you can study and go to games at the same time.

Got it. Yea my experiences in the NE are same. College BBall is an afterthought.

[DukieInKansas]

I've been fortunate to primarily be surrounded by Duke fans and non-UNC fans (or indifferent fans). Even after 6 years in Durham, I haven't come across many friends (or even friends of friends) who are die-hard UNC fans. Of course, I see them in bars, but at least they aren't at my school (obviously not. And the few UNC undergrads in my grad program were smart enough not to bad mouth Duke) or workplace.

I will say that I have come across more pleasant UNC fans than non-pleasant. I believe that I may be the only one on this forum to do so. I don't like the school, I really don't like the program, but I have to admit that the fans I've come across aren't that bad. Maybe it's because there is enough Duke hate as is and I can't really distinguish between the Duke hate from UNCers and the Duke hate from everyone else. To me, it's kinda all the same.

It may just be that you have the benefit of being in MA.

I am in Kansas and have been known to tease total strangers in unc garb. Usually, I will mention that they are wearing an ugly shirt. Since I'm smiling and laughing, they take it as the joke I intended. We have a brief good natured conversation and all go about our way. I don't approach kids with this - unless I know them. Fortunately, I run into someone in the light shade of blue about every other year. Life is good!

[flyingdutchdevil]

It may just be that you have the benefit of being in MA.

I am in Kansas and have been known to tease total strangers in unc garb. Usually, I will mention that they are wearing an ugly shirt. Since I'm smiling and laughing, they take it as the joke I intended. We have a brief good natured conversation and all go about our way. I don't approach kids with this - unless I know them. Fortunately, I run into someone in the light shade of blue about every other year. Life is good!

Oh, you're absolutely right. Between Boston and Durham, you don't run into that many UNC fans (yes, yes. Durham has UNC fans. But it also has plenty of Duke fans).

Boston is too cold for the average cold-blooded UNCer.

[dukie’s_daughter]

In Central Virginia this morning, while wearing my DUKE jacket over my DUKE Football shirt today, the man at the flooring shop asked if I wanted samples. I said yes, and he actually looked at me and stated:"none for DUKE fans". (I'll give him credit for obviously joking). I responded that was ok...DUKE fans can take their business elsewhere... Also on Sunday I was wearing my > shirt. My 2 yr. old granddaughter took one look and declared: "Stinky sheep; Go DUKE!" Bringing her up right!

[Matches]

I will say that I have come across more pleasant UNC fans than non-pleasant. I believe that I may be the only one on this forum to do so. I don't like the school, I really don't like the program, but I have to admit that the fans I've come across aren't that bad.

Nah, it's not just you. Most of the ones I've dealt with/ deal with aren't so bad. I did my graduate work at UNC and it was fine. Even living in Charlotte which is loaded with UNC fans, I get very little grief besides good-natured ribbing.

You've just gotta stay away from Wal-Mart. I think they have some sort of Dumb UNC Fan Meetings there. :)

[devildeac]

Yep; a few years back, went out to dinner with a group of about 10 to celebrate my birthday; there was one Tar Heel fan (boy friend of my wife's best friend) who managed to leave his mark. When the group sang "Happy Birthday" he looked my way and chimed in "Go Heels" at the end. Amazingly rude.

Our Duke family's modified version of the Happy Birthday song:

Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday, dear roywhite
And go to hell c*rolina.

:D

[roywhite]

Our Duke family's modified version of the Happy Birthday song:

Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday, dear roywhite
And go to hell c*rolina.

:D

Ha....so that's where I should have gone.
And I hear there's a chance to get a beer at your place, too.

[DU82]

After the 2010 season, I was flying back from St. Louis in May wearing a Duke shirt, arrived at RDU, and an airport worker (getting the gate-checked bags) said Go Heels (or something to that effect.) I took a moment, then wished him and his Heels well in the upcoming season's NIT.

[OZ]

Our chapel carving was largely an ode to famous Methodists (granted, I think we could have done without that particular one), but their honoring the klan with their team nickname for years after being built by slaves and commemorating fallen soldiers of the confederacy seems more egregious to me. I mean, it went well into the 40s and directly went towards what the klan's fear tactic was supposed to be (they dressed like "ghosts", initially). Then, they have the nerve to attack us for having a lot of white players coming through our program in the modern era? They should be hit with that all the time, IMO. I will defend our chapel, but I challenge them to put their nickname into a context other than pure racism.



It has been a long time since my U.S. History class, but I think Robert E. Lee was an Episcopalian.

[throatybeard]

It has been a long time since my U.S. History class, but I think Robert E. Lee was an Episcopalian.

OK, but a lot of the Methodists at Duke are so high church that they might as well be Episcopalian.

You ever seen another Methodist chapel with three organs that good?

[OZ]

You ever seen another Methodist chapel with three organs that good?

I am sure that is somehow relevant.

[Jim3k]

Only the Aeolian (1932) was installed at a time when racism was prevalent. The other two, the Flentrop (1976) and the Brombaugh (1997) came much later. Duke Organ Page. (http://chapel.duke.edu/worship/music/organs)

One of my more pleasant family memories is of my my mother-in-law, in her mid-eighties, coming cross-country to Duke in 2003 for my daughter's graduation and taking her to recitals at all three organs. She's a devout Lutheran and she was transfixed by the music. Anyone would be. She still speaks of it.

[DukieInBrasil]

A friend of mine who is a UNC grad posted to his FB an article by Greg Doyle about why haven't the 1999 F4 team and 2010 championships been vacated yet? withe tag line of "just asking questions".
Doyle's argument is that in 1999 Duke played Corey Magette who received money through Myron Piggie, his AAU coach. Even though other schools had to vacate their wins, Duke never did. In 2010, Lance Thomas played for the championship team and it was later revealed that he got a large loan to buy jewelry (really stupid on LT's part, independent of where the money came from, $100K on jewelry, really?). Doyle compares these to Derrick Rose getting someone else to take his SAT for him which led to Memphis having to vacate their F4 appearance.
First of all, saying "just asking questions" is the same as rumor mongering and is next to the most intellectually vacuous thing you can do. Secondly, is this really a path that Carowhina fans wanna go down right now? Criminal indictments are being handed out and UNCheat has show a clear lack of institutional control spanning, potentially, decades, which would necessitate them vacating multiple championships/F4 appearances. And yet, the NCAA has done nothing so far even though they have clear evidence of "lack of institutional control".

[Jim3k]

A friend of mine who is a UNC grad posted to his FB an article by Greg Doyle about why haven't the 1999 F4 team and 2010 championships been vacated yet? withe tag line of "just asking questions".
Doyle's argument is that in 1999 Duke played Corey Magette who received money through Myron Piggie, his AAU coach. Even though other schools had to vacate their wins, Duke never did. In 2010, Lance Thomas played for the championship team and it was later revealed that he got a large loan to buy jewelry (really stupid on LT's part, independent of where the money came from, $100K on jewelry, really?). Doyle compares these to Derrick Rose getting someone else to take his SAT for him which led to Memphis having to vacate their F4 appearance.
First of all, saying "just asking questions" is the same as rumor mongering and is next to the most intellectually vacuous thing you can do. Secondly, is this really a path that Carolina fans wanna go down right now? Criminal indictments are being handed out and UNCheat has show a clear lack of institutional control spanning, potentially, decades, which would necessitate them vacating multiple championships/F4 appearances. And yet, the NCAA has done nothing so far even though they have clear evidence of "lack of institutional control".

Not to mention that Maggette had come and gone by the time anyone noticed Piggie. Moreover, no one has ever shown that the money Piggie provided to Maggette as an AAU player ever amounted to payment for play. At worst, it seems to have been a minor payment of permitted travel expenses; if not, it was repayable per NCAA practice regarding the rehab of players whose amateur standing has been compromised. A CBS story from 2000 (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/maggette-admits-to-taking-payments/) explains that Duke referred the matter to the NCAA to determine if its rules had been violated. Maggette, of course, was not enrolled at Duke when the incident happened or discovered during Piggie's prosecution. This 2004 LAT story, in part, explains what the NCAA concluded.
(http://articles.latimes.com/2004/apr/02/sports/sp-ncaa2)
As for Thomas, there has been no showing that a loan was ever made. Credit extended? Perhaps, but Thomas seems to have had some family money; he negotiated (on a confidential basis) whatever payment needed to be made. Necessary? Probably not since black diamonds are basically junk; Thomas probably discovered he was being severely overcharged. Is there any evidence known about the transaction to anyone beyond Thomas and the jewelry store? Nope. (There is only a plaintiff's court complaint, but no evidence ever adduced to support its allegations.)

So what does Doyal know can be proven? He knows what everyone knows. Nothing.

[throatybeard]

Only the Aeolian (1932) was installed at a time when racism was prevalent. The other two, the Flentrop (1976) and the Brombaugh (1997) came much later. Duke Organ Page. (http://chapel.duke.edu/worship/music/organs)

One of my more pleasant family memories is of my my mother-in-law, in her mid-eighties, coming cross-country to Duke in 2003 for my daughter's graduation and taking her to recitals at all three organs. She's a devout Lutheran and she was transfixed by the music. Anyone would be. She still speaks of it.

I'm not sure what racism has to do with the organs, and I know when all three of them were installed. I was just making a flip comment about how high-church Duke-related Methodists appear to be compared to broad-church Methodists. Thus if General Lee was Episcopalian rather than Methodist, it kinda fits in with the whole Duke Chapel ethos.

Jim3K, as long as I lived in Durham after the Brombaugh was installed, I went to that May concert. I wanted to put an ice pick in my brain upon seeing the light attendance, but I always went.

[devildeac]

Ha....so that's where I should have gone.
And I hear there's a chance to get a beer at your place, too.

Come join us sometime. Or, we'll meet you somewhere. We'll serenade you. I'll pretend I'm singing. And buy you a beer.

[Jim3k]

I'm not sure what racism has to do with the organs, and I know when all three of them were installed. I was just making a flip comment about how high-church Duke-related Methodists appear to be compared to broad-church Methodists. Thus if General Lee was Episcopalian rather than Methodist, it kinda fits in with the whole Duke Chapel ethos.

Only the issue of comparing our Robert E Lee with the White Phantoms as an historical comeback. Not much of a comparison, to be sure. Lee was an honorable man (in his way, since he was a slave owner); the KKK, for whom the White Phantoms were named, was/still is a post-Civil War criminal syndicate infected by racist-murderous policies. By comparison, Lee was an innocent.


Jim3K, as long as I lived in Durham after the Brombaugh was installed, I went to that May concert. I wanted to put an ice pick in my brain upon seeing the light attendance, but I always went.

I'm entirely sure you were at those recitals in 2003 as you were one of my daughter's linguistics instructors. We met at one of the Trinity events, not that the introduction was very memorable in and of itself.

Anyone, spiritual or not, would enjoy those May performances. Even rockers and metal fans as well as anyone who appreciates the power of of a musical instrument as played by a master. When I was in school we had only the Aeolian. Being immature, stupid and unreceptive to sermons, I only went to listen once in my four years (well, maybe twice)--and both times under the strong suasion of a Women's College denizen. ;) Clearly one organ was not sufficient to draw me by myself.

[throatybeard]

I'm entirely sure you were at those recitals in 2003 as you were one of my daughter's linguistics instructors. We met at one of the Trinity events, not that the introduction was very memorable in and of itself.

I'll be damned.

I was studying for prelims that semester, and I had one section of English 187/Variety in Language. Or actually, I think it might have been under the 199/Special Topics designation because they hadn't gotten the class into the regular curriculum yet. Most of my teaching was at State.

This was the first time they let me teach an upper-level ugrad class. I don't have the entire roster in my skull still, but it was small (fifteen) and I'm still in touch with about five of them. Two took my seminar on Flannery O'Connor the next spring, so this means that a total of only thirty-eight Duke students have suffered my instruction. When I throw out the guys, and the east coast people (you're in Cali, right?) this means your daughter could only have been one of a few people.

[chaosmage]

I'll be damned.

I was studying for prelims that semester, and I had one section of English 187/Variety in Language. Or actually, I think it might have been under the 199/Special Topics designation because they hadn't gotten the class into the regular curriculum yet. Most of my teaching was at State.

This was the first time they let me teach an upper-level ugrad class. I don't have the entire roster in my skull still, but it was small (fifteen) and I'm still in touch with about five of them. Two took my seminar on Flannery O'Connor the next spring, so this means that a total of only thirty-eight Duke students have suffered my instruction. When I throw out the guys, and the east coast people (you're in Cali, right?) this means your daughter could only have been one of a few people.

It's a small world after all...

And on topic :-P I'm thoroughly enjoying life as a Duke fan in Cali. General procedure here consists of "There was a game? Did you win? Better luck next time" or "Good for your guys!"

I know two Carolina fans. One is a jackass, but I'm not at his school anymore; the other is a PE teacher with me, who's mad that he bet on us to win it all in 99/04 and one other year. Far from a typical Hole, just a normal fan.

Is this heaven? No, because then there'd be more Duke fans.

[Highlander]

I have lived in NC my entire life. I have met many an obnoxious UNC fan, and plenty of reasonable ones, most of whom went to UNC. I went to school with UNC fans for 12 years. Some of them were awful (e.g. Christian Laettner is gay, and Brian Davis is his lover), others were creative (e.g. sending sympathy cards to my dad whenever Duke lost). I learned to have a pretty thick skin around them. Nowadays most people I am friends with know I'm a Duke fan. I'll get the occasional comment from a stranger, but it is not an attempt to be asinine. For example, last week at the Dentist, we talked a bit about both teams and how they were playing, and the Dentist finished it off with "Well, I hope your team loses on Saturday," to which I immediately responded, "You too!"

My general perspective is to not take UNC fans too seriously, especially strangers. It gives them a sense of accomplishment that they got to you. I just smile and make a smug comment back. If they want to talk hoops with me, I'm more than happy to oblige. If you wear your heart on your sleeve in NC as a Duke fan and have thin skin, you're going to find lots of things to be outraged about. At the end of the day, UNC fans don't like Duke, and nothing we say or do is going to change that. So why get upset if they don't see things logically?

Anecdotally, one of my favorite responses was from my Dad, after Duke beat UNC for the third time way back in 1988. He sent the UNC fan who always sent us sympathy cards a poem. It went:

"The time has come to say "WE WON!"
The season, my friend, has truly been fun.
But it's tournament time, and it's time to be kind.
I hope Carolina does really fine!
Depending, of course, how far they go.
Duke would LOVE to make it 4 in a row!"

[allenmurray]

I'm not sure what racism has to do with the organs, and I know when all three of them were installed. I was just making a flip comment about how high-church Duke-related Methodists appear to be compared to broad-church Methodists. Thus if General Lee was Episcopalian rather than Methodist, it kinda fits in with the whole Duke Chapel ethos.

Jim3K, as long as I lived in Durham after the Brombaugh was installed, I went to that May concert. I wanted to put an ice pick in my brain upon seeing the light attendance, but I always went.

As someone who spent the fist 25 years of my life as a Methodist (including a failed stint at Duke Divinity School) and the next 28 years as an Episcopalian I am certain of this: Episcopalians tend to have better organs and organists, but Methodists have better hymnody.

[wilko]

obnoxious UNC fan
Thats redundant...

[chaosmage]

Apparently MP3 now means a "Marcus Paige 3" --- they can't even come up with original nicknames.

[DU82]

Apparently MP3 now means a "Marcus Paige 3" --- they can't even come up with original nicknames.

And you expect anything else from a school that took their colors and alma mater from Ivy League schools?
University of No Creativity (or is it credibility, or class...)