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allenmurray
08-19-2013, 07:08 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2013/football/ncaa/wires/08/18/2060.ap.fbc.mtsu.marine.1st.ld.writethru.0488/index.html

Thank you for serving our country, now get off the field!

OldPhiKap
08-19-2013, 07:14 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2013/football/ncaa/wires/08/18/2060.ap.fbc.mtsu.marine.1st.ld.writethru.0488/index.html

Thank you for serving our country, now get off the field!

We can all sleep well, knowing that the NCAA will use common sense and do the right thing.

Yup.

JasonEvans
08-19-2013, 07:39 AM
Former marines who want to walk on at Middle Tennessee State are exactly the kind of situations that the NCAA needs to pay careful attention to or the competitive balance of college football will be badly titled. Thank goodness they are moving swiftly to enact penalties on this evildoer while taking their time to assess if anything has gone wrong in little old Chapel Hill.

-Jason "it is like these fools running the NCAA are taking a class in how to make the wrong PR move EVERY SINGLE TIME" Evans

JasonEvans
08-19-2013, 07:58 AM
ESPN chimes in (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9580199/ncaa-needs-make-right-call-middle-tennessee-blue-raiders-steven-rhodes-college-football)... ouch!


Under NCAA rules, student-athletes who fail multiple drug tests administered by their schools can still play college football.

Players who have been convicted of crimes such as DUI, assault and statutory rape will suit up for their respective teams this coming season.

But a 24-year-old former U.S. Marine, who happened to play in a recreational football league during his active enlistment?

He's ineligible to play this coming season.

-Jason "the folks at the NCAA are so tone deaf..." Evans

killerleft
08-19-2013, 09:29 AM
The NCAA has so cleaned up the college sports world there is probably nothing else on their plate right now.:rolleyes: I wonder if a soul at HQ even got a bad vibe concerning what would obviously be an unpopular decision. Maybe if he'd gone to Carolina, the Way would have been paved for him to play... after he had gone to an agent's party, promised to have tutors write papers for him, driven someone else's rental car and parked it illegally at least three times, had weed he didn't smoke, promised not to attend some classes, and said "Bubba" three times whilst clicking his heels together and tossing a gun out of a known felon's car before the police could see it.

OldPhiKap
08-19-2013, 09:34 AM
The NCAA has so cleaned up the college sports world there is probably nothing else on their plate right now.:rolleyes: I wonder if a soul at HQ even got a bad vibe concerning what would obviously be an unpopular decision. Maybe if he'd gone to Carolina, the Way would have been paved for him to play... after he had gone to an agent's party, promised to have tutors write papers for him, driven someone else's rental car and parked it illegally at least three times, had weed he didn't smoke, promised not to attend some classes, and said "Bubba" three times whilst clicking his heels together and tossing a gun out of a known felon's car before the police could see it.

Yeah, but that's all alleged conduct that would take some investigation and work to resolve.

It is undisputed that this guy committed the unpardonable sin of serving our country honorably, and engaged in recreational sportsmanship while protecting our Nation's interests in potentially dangerous conditions. Fish in barrel.

DukieInKansas
08-19-2013, 09:48 AM
Another group that would benefit from having a group of normal folks they could have on standby to ask if a decision passes the smell test.

This decision stinks to high heaven. They should let the young man play and be grateful that he wants to play. I doubt he is reading this but just in case - THANK YOU for your service. (Same to all those who have served or are serving.)

FerryFor50
08-19-2013, 10:21 AM
It's a good thing PJ Hairston didn't join the military... he might have been declared ineligible already!

Jokes aside, I think it's silly. There is already a precedent for ex-military players on NCAA teams.

Bernard James comes to mind:

http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/james_bernard00.html

I'd be willing to bet he played some rec league ball while serving, too.

But this is the NCAAs credo lately. Punish the small schools that don't have the resources to fight you, nor the ability to go independent, to show you're still in charge.

Bluedog
08-19-2013, 10:40 AM
I've heard of this rule before, and whether a military league or not, it's a very silly rule in my mind. But, by the letter of the law, it sounds like the right decision was made, but obviously they should overturn it with common sense (and how they define a rec league is ridiculous).

Duke soccer player Chris Tweed-Kent had the same issue recently. He wasn't recruited by Duke and didn't get a tryout his freshman year. So, he stayed in soccer shape by participating on the club soccer team and the next year, worked his way onto varsity. He went on to become the two-time ACC assists leader at midfielder, but was denied a fourth year of participation due to his time on the club team:
http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2012/10/31/tweed-kents-losing-battle-ncaa

I guess I can maybe understand the NCAA's concern over a "feeder system:"


“In the case of non-recruited student-athletes, there is not an exception to this rule because of the possibility of a feeder system,” said Kayci Woodley, an NCAA media relations intern, in an Oct. 26 email to The Chronicle. “Coaches could tell non-recruits [or] would-be walk-ons to participate on the club team until they are asked to play varsity, which the membership has not been willing to allow.”

Obviously, a rec league in the military is not a feeder system for Middle TN though. :p

To also be fair, it sounds like the NCAA just made a quick ruling based on the wording of the rules they have in front of them - the appeal process has not begun. I would be surprised if they end up not letting him play. Now, if that appeal process should even be necessary in the first place is another question.

BigWayne
08-19-2013, 11:32 AM
Though the NCAA has many problems, including their lack of attention over in Chapel Hill, their reaction to this is a bit better than they are getting credit for.

This story is being overreported in an inflammatory way. Some of the reports are leaving out the full details. The most complete info comes from the local newspaper and includes the fact that the NCAA already gave him his 4 years of eligibility back. The sitting out a year is the point still under appeal and you can bet the NCAA will cave on that, probably today. They already had to put out a statement last night.

http://www.dnj.com/article/20130818/SPORTS/308180046/Red-shirt-White-Blue-Marine-fighting-eligibility-play-MTSU-season

This one and the car washing incident are cases of bad NCAA rules and the way the schools are required to apply them first and then ask the NCAA for waivers after.

Ichabod Drain
08-19-2013, 11:36 AM
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Jarhead
08-19-2013, 12:19 PM
Another group that would benefit from having a group of normal folks they could have on standby to ask if a decision passes the smell test.

This decision stinks to high heaven. They should let the young man play and be grateful that he wants to play. I doubt he is reading this but just in case - THANK YOU for your service. (Same to all those who have served or are serving.)

I just took a look at the 1944 Final AP Football Poll (http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?seasonid=1944#.UhI_bD_iQ1I), and it shows nine Armed Forces teams plus the two service academies, Army and Navy, in the top 20. Ranked in fifth place is Bainbridge Naval which had a sailor that played for them a couple or three seasons during WW II. That would be Charlie (Choochoo) Justice who also played four years at UNC after the war. I'm not complaining about that, but it seems that the NCAA has no respect for its place in history.

DukieInKansas
08-19-2013, 01:47 PM
I just took a look at the 1944 Final AP Football Poll (http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?seasonid=1944#.UhI_bD_iQ1I), and it shows nine Armed Forces teams plus the two service academies, Army and Navy, in the top 20. Ranked in fifth place is Bainbridge Naval which had a sailor that played for them a couple or three seasons during WW II. That would be Charlie (Choochoo) Justice who also played four years at UNC after the war. I'm not complaining about that, but it seems that the NCAA has no respect for its place in history.

This raises the question - was Cleveland State placed on probation during those 4 years?

hurleyfor3
08-19-2013, 06:33 PM
Rhodes has been cleared for four years of eligibility.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9582824/ncaa-rules-marine-steven-rhodes-play-immediately-middle-tennessee-blue-raiders

ForkFondler
08-19-2013, 07:28 PM
I just took a look at the 1944 Final AP Football Poll (http://www.collegepollarchive.com/football/ap/seasons.cfm?seasonid=1944#.UhI_bD_iQ1I), and it shows nine Armed Forces teams plus the two service academies, Army and Navy, in the top 20. Ranked in fifth place is Bainbridge Naval which had a sailor that played for them a couple or three seasons during WW II. That would be Charlie (Choochoo) Justice who also played four years at UNC after the war. I'm not complaining about that, but it seems that the NCAA has no respect for its place in history.

Well then, let's complain about the fact that CJ was a phys ed major who took nothing but lab courses, and was paid more than most NFL players. I read that on PP, so it must be true. Probably is, at any rate.

ForkFondler
08-19-2013, 11:31 PM
http://blogs.lib.unc.edu/ncm/index.php/2010/07/15/iron-jawed-copper-bellied-and-zigzaggy/

sagegrouse
08-20-2013, 01:00 AM
Well then, let's complain about the fact that CJ was a phys ed major who took nothing but lab courses, and was paid more than most NFL players. I read that on PP, so it must be true. Probably is, at any rate.

It was legal for athletes to have jobs until about 1955, when the NCAA brought the hammer down and said "no jobs." The scams were legendary: elevator operator for a building without an elevator.

sagegrouse

FerryFor50
08-20-2013, 11:01 AM
Rhodes has been cleared for four years of eligibility.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9582824/ncaa-rules-marine-steven-rhodes-play-immediately-middle-tennessee-blue-raiders

Great. NOW what am I supposed to get angry about?

fitimi1
08-20-2013, 12:01 PM
Great. NOW what am I supposed to get angry about?

Read article on front page today stating that no one has talked to "Fats."

FerryFor50
08-20-2013, 12:38 PM
Read article on front page today stating that no one has talked to "Fats."

Sweet, thanks! :p

Tom B.
08-20-2013, 01:38 PM
Read article on front page today stating that no one has talked to "Fats."

Not that anyone could talk to him if he doesn't want to talk. Neither the NCAA nor UNC has subpoena power. If he doesn't want to talk, all he has to do is say, "I don't want to talk," and that's that.

killerleft
08-21-2013, 12:11 PM
Not that anyone could talk to him if he doesn't want to talk. Neither the NCAA nor UNC has subpoena power. If he doesn't want to talk, all he has to do is say, "I don't want to talk," and that's that.

Talking to Fats may not reveal any truths in the first place. He already wasn't familiar with a guy who was driving at least two of his rental vehicles.