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Bob Green
02-09-2013, 08:24 AM
In conference games, Duke is 2nd in 3 PT FG PCT at 40.3%, while Boston College is dead last in 3 PT FG PCT Defense at 42.7%. Boston College doesn't play a lot of size so we should see Duke dumping it inside to Mason Plumlee early and often to force BC to pick their poison: double team Mason and take their chances on the 3-ball or defend the 3 point line and play Mason straight up.

CDu
02-09-2013, 10:21 AM
In conference games, Duke is 2nd in 3 PT FG PCT at 40.3%, while Boston College is dead last in 3 PT FG PCT Defense at 42.7%. Boston College doesn't play a lot of size so we should see Duke dumping it inside to Mason Plumlee early and often to force BC to pick their poison: double team Mason and take their chances on the 3-ball or defend the 3 point line and play Mason straight up.

If this game is played, we should crush them like we crushed FSU. They are small and have only a couple of good players. Given their limited size, we look again to see Murphy as the primary backup at PF.

gofurman
02-09-2013, 08:40 PM
This has trap written all over it... between NC State and UNC... and all this snow crziness. Focus is needed by the players - BC may not be great but, well, neither is Wake and that was a 'survive' game. And that game was just a drive down the road. Consider we have won TWO road games this year I think. I am surprised how lightly people seem to take this. BC pushed Miami to a one point win at BC.

All road games are tough. this one even more so by the two games that border it. What are we on the road - 2 and 2?

Bob Green
02-10-2013, 05:48 AM
Current Vegas line has Duke as a 12.5 points favorite with the over/under at 143.5 so they are looking for a score in the neighborhood of 78-65.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/duke

davekay1971
02-10-2013, 07:22 AM
Current Vegas line has Duke as a 12.5 points favorite with the over/under at 143.5 so they are looking for a score in the neighborhood of 78-65.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/duke

That line looks about right. Duke should win this, but nothing is a lock on the road this season. Establish Mason inside early and often, because he will have a big advantage over BC's inside players, and let the offensive attack build out from there. On defense, it's focus, communication, and intensity as always.

rocketeli
02-10-2013, 07:26 AM
If you look at the minutes played for games before a UNC game, you see that K consistently rests his starters more in those games. I guess actions speak louder than words, and he takes those Carolina games seriously! (As do we all...) With the bench being Marshall, Thornton and Murphy it will be interesting to see if he can still follow this strategy. If the game allows, we might see Mason and Marshall seeing 25/15 minutes, about 20 minutes for Murphy --resting the guards is less critical as their game is less physically demanding. However it wouldn't surprise me to see Thornton filling in for Curry for much of the game. If the game allows...I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up winning but with the kind of game that causes a lot of kvetching on the message boards for a lackluster performance, due to the travel issues and the fact that this game is sandwiched into between the state game and the upcoming UNC game, which could affect our focus.

cptnflash
02-10-2013, 02:25 PM
On paper, we should be able to score almost at will tonight, as BC is very poor defensively and has no one that can contend with Mason down low. Given that Ryan Anderson is their only real scorer, I wonder if Clifford and/or Van Nest will see more minutes than usual tonight guarding Mason. That would give Anderson the much easier defensive assignment of guarding our 4's, thereby saving his energy for offense.

DUKIE V(A)
02-10-2013, 03:41 PM
If you look at the minutes played for games before a UNC game, you see that K consistently rests his starters more in those games. I guess actions speak louder than words, and he takes those Carolina games seriously! (As do we all...) With the bench being Marshall, Thornton and Murphy it will be interesting to see if he can still follow this strategy. If the game allows, we might see Mason and Marshall seeing 25/15 minutes, about 20 minutes for Murphy --resting the guards is less critical as their game is less physically demanding. However it wouldn't surprise me to see Thornton filling in for Curry for much of the game. If the game allows...I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up winning but with the kind of game that causes a lot of kvetching on the message boards for a lackluster performance, due to the travel issues and the fact that this game is sandwiched into between the state game and the upcoming UNC game, which could affect our focus.

Hopefully it is the type of margin that we can afford to rest our starters some. That said, I expect many of our starters to play a ton. No way Coach K takes any chances in this one.

statik73
02-10-2013, 04:15 PM
is there anywhere to watch this if you don't have ESPNU?

uh_no
02-10-2013, 04:16 PM
is there anywhere to watch this if you don't have ESPNU?

http://atdhe.so/watch.php?id=592865

matt1
02-10-2013, 04:22 PM
?I am in a hotel that does not have ESPNU tonight. This sucks!

riverside6
02-10-2013, 04:44 PM
Live tempo-based stats for Duke/BC here, starters posted...

http://www.scacchoops.com/ViewHDGame.asp?hSchedule=14606

Boone Devil
02-10-2013, 05:08 PM
Is ESPNU cutting out for anyone else? I have Charter cable and it keeps blacking out about every 10-15 seconds.

chaosmage
02-10-2013, 05:08 PM
Ewww.. it's obvious we're not warmed up.

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 05:09 PM
http://atdhe.so/watch.php?id=592865

Seems like nothing's working online so far...

TNDukeFan
02-10-2013, 05:11 PM
Seems like nothing's working online so far...

That's working perfectly for me.

rotogod00
02-10-2013, 05:11 PM
Seems like nothing's working online so far...

You haven't missed much

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 05:16 PM
Well there is the Duke slow start. Perhaps making up for the past few games and hopefully the next few as well.

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 05:16 PM
That's working perfectly for me.

The link above? It says that it's been disabled on my end.

mapei
02-10-2013, 05:17 PM
We're going to have to shoot from outside. They are *really* clogging the lane.

TNDukeFan
02-10-2013, 05:17 PM
The link above? It says that it's been disabled on my end.

http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/168380/1/watch-4-duke-vs-boston-college.html

DukieInBrasil
02-10-2013, 05:19 PM
recently Duke has really gotten off to great starts, but not tonight. The team just hasn't found any flow. I'm not worried (yet, see Kansas-TCU) cuz it's pretty easy to understand why that might be the case.
Cook has 3 turns already, and it's hardly 5 minutes into the game. That's a bad sign in terms of his mind being in THIS game and not on the next...
I don't really see any lack of effort, just a lack of quality execution.

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 05:22 PM
http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/168380/1/watch-4-duke-vs-boston-college.html

That one refuses to load. i suppose my computer just isn't cooperating today

Dukeface88
02-10-2013, 05:23 PM
That one refuses to load. i suppose my computer just isn't cooperating today

Not loading for me either, so it isn't just you :(

1 24 90
02-10-2013, 05:26 PM
Did Mason get away with an obvious charge on Ryan Anderson's 2nd foul? Think we got a break on that call.

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 05:26 PM
Is Mason shooting with his eyes closed? I know he's locked down but he's getting point blank looks!

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 05:28 PM
Not playing well so far. Not sharp at all. Playing to the level of their competition.

jennja01
02-10-2013, 05:28 PM
this looks like the miami gam except BC isnt nearly as good as miami. I think we'll be fine, but for now we look awful

arnie
02-10-2013, 05:29 PM
Is Mason shooting with his eyes closed? I know he's locked down but he's getting point blank looks!

Some games like this one he doesn't belong on a bball court. Other times he's dominant. NBA scouts gotta wonder

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 05:32 PM
I know we flew in day of, but it's like when Pittsburgh played the NYGiants; "Commuters do it everyday", and Pitt won. We have superior talent at (literally) every position. Plus their home court sounds sounds WEAK- we need to step up.

DukieInBrasil
02-10-2013, 05:34 PM
what is wrong with Cook? He's just a turnover machine tonight. More turns tonight than his last 3 games combined.

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 05:37 PM
I know we flew in day of, but it's like when Pittsburgh played the NYGiants; "Commuters do it everyday", and Pitt won. We have superior talent at (literally) every position. Plus their home court sounds sounds WEAK- we need to step up.

Not sure what Duke needs to do to get going but this is getting away from Duke

Tucknut
02-10-2013, 05:39 PM
"That wasn't a foul." Geez, we have to listen to these two blowhards call the second half?

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 05:41 PM
Some games like this one he doesn't belong on a bball court. Other times he's dominant. NBA scouts gotta wonder

Sounds like the way the NBA teams play during the regular season. He will fit right in.

CLW
02-10-2013, 05:42 PM
Thankfully, BC is NOT even a decent basketball team because if they were we'd be down 20+ right now. Bad shot selection, sloppy passing, shots not falling, etc...

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 05:43 PM
Sounds like the way the NBA teams play during the regular season. He will fit right in.

Good point. He'd be up there with Dwight.

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 05:44 PM
For those who might want to listen at least: http://www.bceagles.com/allaccess/?media=357756

davekay1971
02-10-2013, 05:48 PM
Typically panicky, negative game thread. Has it been ugly? Yes. Have we been awful offensively? Yes.

Has our defense been outstanding? Yes.

Has that kept the game close despite our ugly offensive performance? Yes?

We'll go into the half close? Yes.

So, let's wait and see if Duke looks sharper in offense at the start of the second half.

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 05:48 PM
Big-fella

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 05:49 PM
Mason is now awake

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 05:49 PM
Seems like Mason was starting to figure things out towards the end... at least on the offensive glass

1 24 90
02-10-2013, 05:49 PM
I like how Hairston's jumper started the 13-6 run that ended the half. Good job Josh.

noworries
02-10-2013, 05:49 PM
one of the worst halves of the year offensively, if not the worst...but after that i'll take being tied for now

CLW
02-10-2013, 05:50 PM
Plumlee got fouled at least 3 times on that last play. Apparently the officials aren't awake either. UGLY 1st half. BC isn't a good team and we didn't play well. Lets see if the team comes out and puts BC away early or if more of the same continues.

moonpie23
02-10-2013, 05:51 PM
adjustments, and a copy of the rule book explaining what a "foul" is for the refs....

for the folks who suggested that we should be able to "score at will" and run away with this game, uhhh.......no...

JBDuke
02-10-2013, 05:57 PM
one of the worst halves of the year offensively, if not the worst...but after that i'll take being tied for now

You're kidding, right? Did you actually see the Miami game?

Les Grossman
02-10-2013, 05:57 PM
Only saw the tail end, and he was yapping.
Think that may have ticked off Mason

RoyalBlue08
02-10-2013, 05:58 PM
I think that was the worst half of college basketball I have personally watched this year. I can't imagine tuning in for the second half unless you were a fan of one of the two teams or you had money on the game.

dairedevil
02-10-2013, 05:59 PM
then we should be encouraged by the play in the last 4 minutes of the half...scored almost half our points, outscored BC. Now if we can sustain that for the first 4 minutes of the second half....

mapei
02-10-2013, 06:00 PM
It was pretty bad. Zero offense from #14 and #2.

g-money
02-10-2013, 06:05 PM
We didn't shoot well, but we're still tied. I think we win this going away in the second half (knock on wood).

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 06:06 PM
And Seth sets the record!

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 06:12 PM
Duke is in a fight tonight - game is being played at BCs pace and they cannot speed them up

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 06:15 PM
I can understand the let down game and not bringing the intensity every night. I know we don't like to admit it but it must be tough to treat every game with similar importance. But that said, I think/hope BC has awoken a sleeping giant. BC seems to be taunting quite a bit and I hope the players are insulted.

Les Grossman
02-10-2013, 06:15 PM
Seth taking over; thank goodness

Les Grossman
02-10-2013, 06:17 PM
with all of the double teaming of MP, Amile and Josh ought to be open for up close shots

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 06:20 PM
with all of the double teaming of MP, Amile and Josh ought to be open for up close shots

BC is playing a very smart game. Duke has to be patient but contine to attack

davekay1971
02-10-2013, 06:21 PM
Shooters roll on the free throw for Mason? Love the big guy, but that's really funny.

jipops
02-10-2013, 06:22 PM
No matter how bad the opponent, all of Duke's remaining road games will be rough going.

DukieInBrasil
02-10-2013, 06:23 PM
I like Hairston making that move to the hole from the wing much more than taking the jumper, but man, Josh just gotta flush that one. It led to a Plumlee rebound and 4th foul on Clifford and both the made FTs, so it ended well.

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 06:24 PM
No matter how bad the opponent, all of Duke's remaining road games will be rough going.

UVa is going to be especially hard

dchen09
02-10-2013, 06:25 PM
Was that just a forearm to Thornton?

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 06:26 PM
I like Hairston making that move to the hole from the wing much more than taking the jumper, but man, Josh just gotta flush that one. It led to a Plumlee rebound and 4th foul on Clifford and both the made FTs, so it ended well.

The irony of this play is that BC would have preferred Hairston to dunk it as well. This seems to happen often on these second and third chances.

Wander
02-10-2013, 06:27 PM
You're kidding, right? Did you actually see the Miami game?

Miami has one of the best defenses in the entire country. Boston College's defense sucks. So, yes, this half was worse offensively than the Miami game.

Furniture
02-10-2013, 06:27 PM
Was that just a forearm to Thornton?
YES!

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 06:29 PM
plumlee got held so bad

Les Grossman
02-10-2013, 06:30 PM
wow, MP just got totally mugged

davekay1971
02-10-2013, 06:30 PM
Forearm to Mason's throat. Foul on Hairston. Break for BC.

chaosmage
02-10-2013, 06:30 PM
Mason just got nearly chokeslammed, no call. Wow.

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 06:30 PM
Mason just got mauled away from the ball and no call.

Then the announcer mentions Cook handchecking.

dchen09
02-10-2013, 06:31 PM
Mason just got mauled away from the ball and no call.

Then the announcer mentions Cook handchecking.

I almost threw my beer at the screen....

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 06:33 PM
Mason got mad. That is exactly what I want to see as well. Game is going to get ugly but gotta give as much as you take.

chaosmage
02-10-2013, 06:33 PM
Turning into the Big 10/WWE out there.

noworries
02-10-2013, 06:35 PM
You're kidding, right? Did you actually see the Miami game?

That's why I said one of the worst and no I didn't watch the Miami game so maybe that's why I didn't immediately think of that but that makes sense

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 06:37 PM
Duke is missing a ton of easy shots at the rim. Somebody needs to start hitting.

noworries
02-10-2013, 06:39 PM
let's hope the tar holes don't get some confidence from watching this performance...granted they did get it handed to them yesterday

noworries
02-10-2013, 06:40 PM
and that was really bad d on that inbounds

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 06:40 PM
Back at ya Odio!

Les Grossman
02-10-2013, 06:40 PM
ok, so who is guarding this guy Odeo. Averages 3ppg

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 06:40 PM
I want Duke to get mad. They are getting punched in the mouth and other team is getting full of themselves.

arnie
02-10-2013, 06:42 PM
YES!

Four guards this early? Amile?

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 06:42 PM
Enough of these Rashad McCants mid-range jumpers! PLAY D!

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 06:43 PM
Seriously, Duke has no business losing this game.

DukieInBrasil
02-10-2013, 06:44 PM
Quinn is just having a terrible game. His decision making has just been terrible, driving the ball into multiple defenders and losing the ball several times.
Just absolutely terrible offense the last few minutes. Rushed 3s from Thornton is not what we need to be doing on the road in a tie game.

Dr. Rosenrosen
02-10-2013, 06:45 PM
Seriously, Duke has no business losing this game.

We have no business winning it either. Energy non-existent.

CLW
02-10-2013, 06:45 PM
Down to the #128 team in the country with the 213th ranked D with 5 minutes to go.

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 06:47 PM
Need Curry to hit

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 06:49 PM
Why are we losing this game?!!!1

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 06:49 PM
Down to the #128 team in the country with the 213th ranked D with 5 minutes to go.

Can't win if you don't hit shots

Les Grossman
02-10-2013, 06:49 PM
All shots from here on have to be Seth or MP
other guys just struggling

CLW
02-10-2013, 06:49 PM
wow i didn't think it was possible to play worse than we did against miami but honestly that performance was 10 times the performance of tonight's no show.

rsvman
02-10-2013, 06:50 PM
Pass it to Curry!

DukieInBrasil
02-10-2013, 06:50 PM
What was TT thinking there? GREAT chance to get some fast break points and generate momentum, and T just throws an absolutely lazy pass.

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 06:50 PM
That is a terrible turnover. TT even with that steal has hurt them down the stretch.

But this is what the team has looked like without Kelly when they don't hit shots.

arnie
02-10-2013, 06:50 PM
Why are we losing this game?!!!1

All on K and who he's playing. Guess he wants to fire em up for unc

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 06:51 PM
All on K and who he's playing. Guess he wants to fire em up for unc

I severely doubt Coach K is throwing away this game

Dr. Rosenrosen
02-10-2013, 06:51 PM
Can't win if you don't hit shots

Can't win if you can't defend the high pick. Which we cannot do tonight to save our lives.

Mtn.Devil.91.92.01.10.15
02-10-2013, 06:51 PM
Why are we losing this game?!!!1

Because they are getting open 10-15 foot jumpers and we can't hit a shot?

DukieInBrasil
02-10-2013, 06:52 PM
wow i didn't think it was possible to play worse than we did against miami but honestly that performance was 10 times the performance of tonight's no show.

Hard to argue with that. Both of our PGs, Cook and TT, have just been terrible withe ball all night. And not because BC has good guards. I think we're getting out-toughed inside, although Mason is certainly playing tough.

Bluedog
02-10-2013, 06:53 PM
It has been ugly, but still a lot of time and have a chance to win. Need to forgot about what's been going on and just execute from here on out and get out of Boston with a victory, hopefully.

Channing
02-10-2013, 06:53 PM
Horrible decision making down the stretch. How can we not defend the high screen?

Ben1029
02-10-2013, 06:54 PM
Who are these ESPNU announcers? Could the regular ones not make it to Boston so they just picked up a couple of guys off the street? I mean really.

JBDuke
02-10-2013, 06:56 PM
Who are these ESPNU announcers? Could the regular ones not make it to Boston so they just picked up a couple of guys off the street? I mean really.

The color guy - Steven Bardo - never heard of him, and he's just flat out awful. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about, but that's only if you're not actually watching the game.

G man
02-10-2013, 06:56 PM
I am sure this has been discussed, but I am not a fan of the 4 guard lineup!

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 06:58 PM
Dunk that. Guess it doesn't matter with his FT shooting.

Channing
02-10-2013, 06:59 PM
This has the making of a court storming

sporthenry
02-10-2013, 07:00 PM
This has the making of a court storming

Yeah, but Duke only has like 20 guys there so it'd be relatively small.

Les Grossman
02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
ugleeeee

Channing
02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
....and exhale

Durham Thunder
02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
Duke survives!!!!!!!

Zephyrius
02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
that is by far the most anticlimactic and worst win ever

Monmouth77
02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
Never a doubt!

Dr. Rosenrosen
02-10-2013, 07:02 PM
Weirdest ending I've seen in a while.

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 07:03 PM
Survive and advance. BC has a knack for last second losses

CLW
02-10-2013, 07:03 PM
wow lots of contact all game long was just waiting for the bailout whistle. didn't deserve a W but i suppose they all count.

Channing
02-10-2013, 07:03 PM
What's going on at center court after the game

Bluedog
02-10-2013, 07:04 PM
Hey, Miami only won by 1 @ BC too....This game obviously wasn't pretty; super lucky to come out with the W. Mason and Quinn had some big plays down the stretch.

phaedrus
02-10-2013, 07:04 PM
Having not seen a second of this one... great win.

wtm001
02-10-2013, 07:04 PM
Close games will help in the long run! GO DUKE!

dukelifer
02-10-2013, 07:04 PM
that is by far the most anticlimactic and worst win ever

Come on. Trap game- Duke pulls it out. Good motivation for UNC. BC played Miami tough