Playing for 1st place!

[UT Dukie]

... and we're playing for 1st place again next week if we can win tomorrow night!

[CDu]

... and we're playing for 1st place again next week!

Sort of. State still has the tiebreaker over us for now. Not that it really matters all that much.

[UT Dukie]

Call it a UNX first place, then.

[DBFAN]

1-13

States record following a win over Duke or UNC over the last 20 yrs

[Black Mambo]

1-13

States record following a win over Duke or UNC over the last 20 yrs

Has State beaten Duke/UNC 14 times in the last 20 years? I would be surprised.

[Duvall]

Has State beaten Duke/UNC 14 times in the last 20 years? I would be surprised.

Well they've played over 80 times during that span. And that includes Duke 1995 and UNC 2002.

[CDu]

Has State beaten Duke/UNC 14 times in the last 20 years? I would be surprised.

There were the lean years of Duke in the mid-90s and the lean years of UNC in the early 00s. State has beaten Duke a few times recently (if you count ACC Tourney games). So I think that stat sounds about right.

It's impressive how few times they've beaten Duke or UNC, considering that they've played, at minimum, 3 games a year (and usually 4) over that span (I'd guess like 75+ games overall).

[weezie]

All the above being said...what the HAY?! One lousy point gives MD the edge?! Hahahaha, the ACC still brings it.
Hilarious!

[subzero02]

1-13

States record following a win over Duke or UNC over the last 20 yrs

Only 14 wins between the 2 in the last 20 years... Wow. Do you know how many times they played?

[DBFAN]

Only 14 wins between the 2 in the last 20 years... Wow. Do you know how many times they played?

I should preface that those are regular season stats. Doesn't factor in ACC tourney. I think someone guessed they have played 80+ times

[MCFinARL]

Sort of. State still has the tiebreaker over us for now. Not that it really matters all that much.

Plus, presumably we would be tied with Miami as well, if we beat them, except that we would have that tiebreaker.

[gumbomoop]

... and we're playing for 1st place again next week if we can win tomorrow night!

Always dangerous, I'll assume we'll win tonight [it's almost 2 a.m.]. Miami has been impressive [enough] in Reggie's absence. More important, they're 4-0, with 3 road wins. Further, they play NCSt only once this season in ACC, have already won at UNC, and do not have to visit Md. If they win at home next Wed v. Duke, they become the "favorite" to win ACC regular season. Right?

Overall, it appears that the ACC may be moving toward the following tiers:

1. 1st tier - Miami, NCSt, Duke. These are the toppers, meaning any of them could reach 14-4. Unlikely any other team could get to 14 wins.
2. 2d tier - FSU, UNC, Md - Any of these could slip to 7th, though unlikely. Any could rise to 3d, but unlikely to get to 14 wins, or even 13. So 3d place seems their ceiling.
3. 3d tier - UVa - somewhere between 6th and 8th. Could possibly get to 5th or slip to 9th, but unlikely. Good bet for 7th.
4. 4th tier - I'm clueless as to how to separate the bottom 5 of Clemson, Wake, VT, BC, GT. Don't much care, except the toppers - to be the top topper - have to go undefeated against all these teams. Duke has 6 games left v. these 4th tier teams, Miami and NCSt have 7 each.

[tommy]

Only 14 wins between the 2 in the last 20 years... Wow. Do you know how many times they played?

In the 20 years preceding this one, State has gone 5-29 in the regular season against Duke (winning percentage of .147) and 9-31 against UNC (.225), for a regular season total of 14-60 (.189). That's 74 regular season games. Of the five times they've beaten Duke, they've gone 1-4 in their next games. Of the nine times they've beaten UNC, they've gone 1-8 in their next games.

In ACC tournament play over the same period, State has gone 2-6 against Duke and 0-3 against UNC, total of 2-9.

Overall then, including tournament play, State is 16-69 in its 85 games against Duke and UNC in the last 20 years, for a percentage of .188.