NCAA to Miami Players: Talk or We'll Assume You're Guilty

[rifraf]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ncaa-former-miami-players-talk-us-ll-assume-162438762--ncaaf.html

This seems a little crazy. The NCAA is telling former Miami players that if they don't talk, then the NCAA will assume they're guilty of all the allegations against them and consider it in the case against Miami. Not only do I see that as a gross over stepping of power/a ridiculous way to run an investigation, it makes me worried for the Lance Thomas case. If this works, what's to stop the NCAA from telling Lance to talk "or else"?

[Kewlswim]

...of purchasing grossly over-priced and perhaps amazingly gaudy pieces of jewelry. Don't kids go to Kay jewelers or somewhere where a few hundred dollars gets them something to wear and leaves them money to put away for a rainy day? ;)

GO DUKE!

[wilko]

If this works, what's to stop the NCAA from telling Lance to talk "or else"?

Last I heard Lance was going to talk...
No idea if he has or what he may have said or even if he changed his mind about the whole thing.

If the NCAA is going on a witch hunt; then they will find witches in Miami. If the outcome has been decided and the "fact finding" process is a formality then witches a plenty they will find.


My thoughts on Lance - He has created a legacy hanging from the rafters. Whatever truths he may wish to speak, I doubt he would knowingly and willingly jeopardize the legacy he helped create. I trust him.

[ForkFondler]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ncaa-former-miami-players-talk-us-ll-assume-162438762--ncaaf.html

This seems a little crazy. The NCAA is telling former Miami players that if they don't talk, then the NCAA will assume they're guilty of all the allegations against them and consider it in the case against Miami. Not only do I see that as a gross over stepping of power/a ridiculous way to run an investigation, it makes me worried for the Lance Thomas case. If this works, what's to stop the NCAA from telling Lance to talk "or else"?

I have heard lots of speculation, but what has Lance actually been accused of, and by whom?

[mo.st.dukie]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ncaa-former-miami-players-talk-us-ll-assume-162438762--ncaaf.html

This seems a little crazy. The NCAA is telling former Miami players that if they don't talk, then the NCAA will assume they're guilty of all the allegations against them and consider it in the case against Miami. Not only do I see that as a gross over stepping of power/a ridiculous way to run an investigation, it makes me worried for the Lance Thomas case. If this works, what's to stop the NCAA from telling Lance to talk "or else"?

Pretty sure Lance and Duke are fully cooperating with the NCAA. There's nothing to hide.

[devil84]

I have heard lots of speculation, but what has Lance actually been accused of, and by whom?

There has been quite a discussion on Lance Thomas's jewelry purchase on this board, and it's summarized in this thread (with links to the many other threads): http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?29393-Lance-Thomas-Lawsuit

Let's leave the LT speculation for the LT thread (though it's pretty well hashed out without having more details). For this thread, let's focus on the NCAA's actions towards Miami and extrapolating that to other open NCAA issues, which can include how it impacts LT. And it does appear that Lance and Duke are fully cooperating with the NCAA.

[sagegrouse]

Sirens blare! The Grammar Police have arrived!

Has anyone yet made the substantive point? It's "you're guilty" not "your guilty."

sagegrouse

[miramar]

I would say that in a free country, anyone has the right to refuse to talk to a private organization with no subpoena powers. In fact, people should refuse this request if they want to maintain their individual liberties, whether they are guilty or not.

Amazingly enough, the NCAA is going even further by saying that if you defend your individual rights in a free country then they will assume that you are in essence incriminating yourself. As far as the NCAA is concerned, there are no Miranda rights, no such thing as due process, and no fifth amendment rights. Curiously, this occurs the same week that the LA Times and the NYT run articles about the abuses of NCAA investigators:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/14/sports/la-sp-1115-ucla-shabazz-ncaa-20121115

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/opinion/nocera-race-and-the-ncaa.html?ref=joenocera

Since we must have some attorneys out there, is the NCAA opening itself up to lawsuits from UM and the former players?

[Acymetric]

I would say that in a free country, anyone has the right to refuse to talk to a private organization with no subpoena powers. In fact, people should refuse this request if they want to maintain their individual liberties, whether they are guilty or not.

Amazingly enough, the NCAA is going even further by saying that if you defend your individual rights in a free country then they will assume that you are in essence incriminating yourself. As far as the NCAA is concerned, there are no Miranda rights, no such thing as due process, and no fifth amendment rights. Curiously, this occurs the same week that the LA Times and the NYT run articles about the abuses of NCAA investigators:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/14/sports/la-sp-1115-ucla-shabazz-ncaa-20121115

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/opinion/nocera-race-and-the-ncaa.html?ref=joenocera

Since we must have some attorneys out there, is the NCAA opening itself up to lawsuits from UM and the former players?

Those rights apply to the United States legal system, not NCAA proceedings. Don't necessarily love this, but the NCAA doesn't have subpoena power...how else are they supposed to get people to talk? If you have nothing to hide...

[cf-62]

I would say that in a free country, anyone has the right to refuse to talk to a private organization with no subpoena powers. In fact, people should refuse this request if they want to maintain their individual liberties, whether they are guilty or not.

Amazingly enough, the NCAA is going even further by saying that if you defend your individual rights in a free country then they will assume that you are in essence incriminating yourself. As far as the NCAA is concerned, there are no Miranda rights, no such thing as due process, and no fifth amendment rights. Curiously, this occurs the same week that the LA Times and the NYT run articles about the abuses of NCAA investigators:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/14/sports/la-sp-1115-ucla-shabazz-ncaa-20121115

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/opinion/nocera-race-and-the-ncaa.html?ref=joenocera

Since we must have some attorneys out there, is the NCAA opening itself up to lawsuits from UM and the former players?

This was already tried by Jerry Tarkanian. It took years, created way too much stress on the man's life, and ended up with him losing - with the Supreme Court essentially saying that the NCAA is a private organization -and that they can operate any way they want. Essentially due process is not required for private organizations which you, yourself, decide you want to be a part of.

Where things might go now would be if the NCAA lost its NOT-FOR-PROFIT status. At that point, a whole bunch of things would change.

[lotusland]

I think with Miami the NCAA is just getting players to corroborate what Shapiro and others told both the Feds and the NCAA. They already have credible evidence about what happened so if the players don't come clean the NCAA will find based on the existing testimony.

[-jk]

I think with Miami the NCAA is just getting players to corroborate what Shapiro and others told both the Feds and the NCAA. They already have credible evidence about what happened so if the players don't come clean the NCAA will find based on the existing testimony.

"Silence implies consent" - is that still valid?

-jk

[Jim3k]

"Silence implies consent" - is that still valid?

-jk

Maybe. See Unites States Anti-Doping Agency: Lance Armstrong.

[Newton_14]

There has been quite a discussion on Lance Thomas's jewelry purchase on this board, and it's summarized in this thread (with links to the many other threads): http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?29393-Lance-Thomas-Lawsuit

Let's leave the LT speculation for the LT thread (though it's pretty well hashed out without having more details). For this thread, let's focus on the NCAA's actions towards Miami and extrapolating that to other open NCAA issues, which can include how it impacts LT. And it does appear that Lance and Duke are fully cooperating with the NCAA.

Folks, D84 very politely requested that this thread not be used to discuss Lance Thomas. Please honor that request and keep the discussion on topic.

[miramar]

It's probably all posturing, but the attorneys are making some noise.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/11/um-player-attorney-responds-to-ncaa-ultimatum-prominent-attorney-calls-this-unconscionable.html