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fisheyes
01-18-2012, 10:24 AM
We've seen some of this before, but it's interesting to see the numbers for the top 20 programs with their expenses/revenues/profits:

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-20-schools-spend-the-most-money-on-their-basketball-teams-2012-1#

flyingdutchdevil
01-18-2012, 10:28 AM
We've seen some of this before, but it's interesting to see the numbers for the top 20 programs with their expenses/revenues/profits:

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-20-schools-spend-the-most-money-on-their-basketball-teams-2012-1#

How is Louisville's revenue double that of Kentucky? I know Louisville is a big basketball school, but that big? That's really surprising.

jjasper0729
01-18-2012, 10:35 AM
How is Louisville's revenue double that of Kentucky? I know Louisville is a big basketball school, but that big? That's really surprising.

forget double of UK... how is it that high in general. WOW is all I have to say.

hurleyfor3
01-18-2012, 10:37 AM
Loovul opened that new stadium last year, right? Perhaps they sold PSLs or otherwise shook season ticketholders down for more money, and counted it as basketball revenue.

It has been said before, but there is a fair amount of discretion over what can be counted as basketball revenue (vs. football, general booster fund, etc). At very many schools, especially larger state schools, the largest donors give for football and receive very good basketball tickets on demand for free/face.

Ichabod Drain
01-18-2012, 10:37 AM
forget double of UK... how is it that high in general. WOW is all I have to say.

They must count KFC chicken as currency

loran16
01-18-2012, 11:22 AM
How is Louisville's revenue double that of Kentucky? I know Louisville is a big basketball school, but that big? That's really surprising.

Same reason as the last list: Louisville's revenue is inflated due to the new stadium opening last year.

-jk
01-18-2012, 12:20 PM
The real problem with all these financial statements is that schools can shift a lot of the numbers around, not just within the athletic dept, but also within the school. An athletic dept is (or should be, anyway) inextricably intertwined with the university overall. It shouldn't be a stand alone venture.

A couple examples for Duke: the Washington Duke Hotel has a golf course, and the golf team uses it. Or the athletic dept has a golf course, and the hotel uses it. How do they allocate costs and fees?

Anything sold at the Duke Store that's vaguely sports related - replica jerseys, basketball t-shirts, game day decor, what have you - who gets the credit?

It's all a numbers game, designed to do what any particular university thinks it needs to show. Perhaps Louisville wants to balance their books a certain way. Perhaps they just want to show up UK.

-jk

bcsu
01-18-2012, 05:17 PM
on a tangent, there was a businessweek article from last november about colleges classifying
revenue as taxable vs nontaxable. so possibly, louisville is classifying it as
such for accounting purposes...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-17/harvard-hotel-draws-irs-scrutiny.html


The real problem with all these financial statements is that schools can shift a lot of the numbers around, not just within the athletic dept, but also within the school. An athletic dept is (or should be, anyway) inextricably intertwined with the university overall. It shouldn't be a stand alone venture.

A couple examples for Duke: the Washington Duke Hotel has a golf course, and the golf team uses it. Or the athletic dept has a golf course, and the hotel uses it. How do they allocate costs and fees?

Anything sold at the Duke Store that's vaguely sports related - replica jerseys, basketball t-shirts, game day decor, what have you - who gets the credit?

It's all a numbers game, designed to do what any particular university thinks it needs to show. Perhaps Louisville wants to balance their books a certain way. Perhaps they just want to show up UK.

-jk