ESPN/USA Today Top 25 Player Losses

[whereinthehellami]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this in 2008 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?8688-Usa-espn-Coaches-Poll&p=159580#post159580), 2009 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?15609-Comprehensive-NBA-early-entry-thread-2009&p=289302#post289302), and 2010 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?20862-ESPN-USA-Top-25-player-losses&p=398436#post398436) also, in case anyone is interested.


UCONN (2) – Okwandu 7-0, Walker 6-1 (NBA)
Butler (4) – Vanzant 6-0, Howard 6-8, Hahn 6-1, Mack 6-3 (NBA?)
Kentucky (1) – Harrellson 6-10
Kansas (6) – Morningstar 6-4, Reed 6-3, Little 6-6, Morris 6-10 (NBA), Morris 6-9 (NBA), Selby 6-3 (NBA)
Ohio State (3) – Lighty 6-5, Diebler 6-6, Lauderdale 6-8
VCU(4)– Rodriguez 5-10, Skeen 6-9, Rozzell 6-2, Nixon 6-4
Duke (3) – Singler 6-8, Smith 6-3, Irving 6-2 (NBA)
UNC (1) – Knox 6-8
Arizona (2) – Horne 6-7, Williams 6-8 (NBA)
Florida (3) – Tyus 6-8, Parsons 6-10, Macklin 6-10
SDSU (4) – Thomas 6-9, Carwell 6-10, Gay 6-0, White 6-8
Pittsburgh (4) – Brown 6-6, Wanamaker 6-4, McGhee 6-11, Gibbs 6-2 (NBA?)
BYU (3) – Emery 6-3, Fredette 6-2, Magnusson 6-7
Notre Dame (5) – Nash 6-8, Martin 6-8, Abromitus 6-8, Hansbrough 6-5, Scott 6-8
Wisconsin (3) – Jarmusz 6-6, Leuer 6-10, Nankivil 6-8
Texas (4) – Johnson 6-6, Balbay 6-1, Lucas 5-10, Hill 6-10
Purdue (2) – Johnson 6-10, Moore 6-4,
Syracuse (1) - Jackson 6-9,
FSU (2) – Kitchen 6-4, Singleton (NBA?),
Marquette (2)– Buycks 6-3, Butler 6-7
Richmond (4) – Smith 6-5, Anderson 6-0, Harper 6-10, Geriot 6-9
Louisville (1) – Knowles 6-1
Washington (4) – Overton 6-0, Thomas 5-9 (NBA), Amaning 6-9, Holiday 6-6
Kansas State (2) – Pullen 6-1, Kelly 6-8
Utah State (5) – Williams 6-4, Green 6-1, Newbold 6-5, Bendall 6-9, Wesley 6-7


The big losers are Kansas (6), Utah State (5), and Notre Dame (5), as far as player attrition goes.

The big winners, so far at least, are Kentucky (1), UNC (1), Syracuse (1), and Louisville (1), as far as player attrition goes.

Most of the of teams in the Top 25 (21 out of 25) are losing more than 1 player, so next year should be wide open again, outside of Kentucky and UNC (at this point). And the teams that are losing only 2 players (6 of them)are going to be totally different next year as they are losing in most cases the player that is their heart and soul.

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I'm not sure the Notre Dame listing is correct. In watching their games this year, the announcers used to comment about how the players are listed by their academic standing and not based on their remaining eligibility. I'm almost positive that Abromaitis has another year and possibly Scott Martin due to his transfer season and his injury season. Also, I read where Carleton Scott is testing the NBA draft so he may only be a junior eligibility wise.

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I found this from an article about their year end banquet:


The Irish will return largely intact next season as only two of the five senior starters exhausted their eligibility. Tyrone Nash and Ben Hansbrough are the only starters that will not return next season as Scott, Tim Abromaitis and Scott Martin return.

[whereinthehellami]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this in 2008 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?8688-Usa-espn-Coaches-Poll&p=159580#post159580), 2009 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?15609-Comprehensive-NBA-early-entry-thread-2009&p=289302#post289302), and 2010 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?20862-ESPN-USA-Top-25-player-losses&p=398436#post398436) also, in case anyone is interested.


UCONN (2) – Okwandu 7-0, Walker 6-1 (NBA)
Butler (4) – Vanzant 6-0, Howard 6-8, Hahn 6-1, Mack 6-3 (NBA?)
Kentucky (1) – Harrellson 6-10
Kansas (6) – Morningstar 6-4, Reed 6-3, Little 6-6, Morris 6-10 (NBA), Morris 6-9 (NBA), Selby 6-3 (NBA)
Ohio State (3) – Lighty 6-5, Diebler 6-6, Lauderdale 6-8
VCU(4)– Rodriguez 5-10, Skeen 6-9, Rozzell 6-2, Nixon 6-4
Duke (3) – Singler 6-8, Smith 6-3, Irving 6-2 (NBA)
UNC (1) – Knox 6-8
Arizona (2) – Horne 6-7, Williams 6-8 (NBA)
Florida (3) – Tyus 6-8, Parsons 6-10, Macklin 6-10
SDSU (4) – Thomas 6-9, Carwell 6-10, Gay 6-0, White 6-8
Pittsburgh (4) – Brown 6-6, Wanamaker 6-4, McGhee 6-11, Gibbs 6-2 (NBA?)
BYU (3) – Emery 6-3, Fredette 6-2, Magnusson 6-7
Notre Dame (2) – Nash 6-8, Hansbrough 6-5
Wisconsin (3) – Jarmusz 6-6, Leuer 6-10, Nankivil 6-8
Texas (4) – Johnson 6-6, Balbay 6-1, Lucas 5-10, Hill 6-10
Purdue (2) – Johnson 6-10, Moore 6-4,
Syracuse (1) - Jackson 6-9,
FSU (2) – Kitchen 6-4, Singleton (NBA?),
Marquette (2)– Buycks 6-3, Butler 6-7
Richmond (4) – Smith 6-5, Anderson 6-0, Harper 6-10, Geriot 6-9
Louisville (1) – Knowles 6-1
Washington (4) – Overton 6-0, Thomas 5-9 (NBA), Amaning 6-9, Holiday 6-6
Kansas State (2) – Pullen 6-1, Kelly 6-8
Utah State (5) – Williams 6-4, Green 6-1, Newbold 6-5, Bendall 6-9, Wesley 6-7


The big losers are Kansas (6) and Utah State (5), as far as player attrition goes.

The big winners, so far at least, are Kentucky (1), UNC (1), Syracuse (1), and Louisville (1), as far as player attrition goes.

Most of the of teams in the Top 25 (21 out of 25) are losing more than 1 player, so next year should be wide open again, outside of Kentucky and UNC (at this point). And the teams that are losing only 2 players (7 of them) are going to be totally different next year as they are losing in most cases the player that is their heart and soul.

[gumbomoop]

FYI - Here's a useful article by Andy Katz, breaking it down into winners (e.g., UNC), losers (e.g., KU), as expected (e.g., Duke), to be determined (e.g., UK).

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=6360275

[BD80]

I think Florida will be losing two more players and a team manager.

[Buckeye Devil]

Duke and Ohio State lose the most in the nation, IMO.

[uh_no]

Duke and Ohio State lose the most in the nation, IMO.

Not sure I can agree with OSU, when one of the top 4 players in the country is returning to the team. I would argue that Butler is losing more than OSU is in terms of what the players meant to their teams (not discounting what the departing OSU guys meant to the Buckeyes). OSU has sully back, and will be in the mix again, butler has no one back and could very well be wallowing in mediocrity.

In the end it depends on your definition of 'losing'

[darjum]

Duke may have lost some really quality players, but in relation to losing players to graduation and expected returnees the biggest loser is KU. They have hands down lost the most, not even close really.


I think Florida will be losing two more players and a team manager.

Agreed. Makes you thankful Duke got the younger Murphy. I believe Duke recruited both :confused:

[MarkD83]

When anyone mentions what Duke is losing we have to remember that Kyrie NEVER played in an ACC game. If we judge how well Duke will do next year, a large part of this is how well Duke will do in the ACC. Losing Kyrie is a non-issue when considering the 2011-12 ACC season since he did not play in the ACC in 2010-11.

[CDu]

When anyone mentions what Duke is losing we have to remember that Kyrie NEVER played in an ACC game. If we judge how well Duke will do next year, a large part of this is how well Duke will do in the ACC. Losing Kyrie is a non-issue when considering the 2011-12 ACC season since he did not play in the ACC in 2010-11.

There's a difference between talking about losing talent and talking about how it will impact next year relative to this year. Next year's team will look very different from this year's team (both the Irving and non-Irving versions). I think the discussion in this thread has been more based only on talent lost.

[uh_no]

When anyone mentions what Duke is losing we have to remember that Kyrie NEVER played in an ACC game. If we judge how well Duke will do next year, a large part of this is how well Duke will do in the ACC. Losing Kyrie is a non-issue when considering the 2011-12 ACC season since he did not play in the ACC in 2010-11.

Good point. We only lose Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith......that's a lot easier to deal with :)

[MarkD83]

Good point. We only lose Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith......that's a lot easier to deal with :)

I guess the point is, as mentioned on other pages Quinn Cook is arriving and Tyler has a year in the program. This is a plus in the point guard position over what we had during the ACC season where Nolan or Seth had to handle the point.

I am in the camp that you can't just look at replacements you have to look at the team dynamic rather than substituting in for a player (for example, Austin will replace Nolan). So Duke will have to figure out a new team dynamic, but point guard will be well covered for the first time in 5-6 years.

Not that it matters but my disappointment (and I am sure Kyrie's) with Kyrie's injury is that we never got to see him play against UNC. I really wanted to see how Roy tried to defend the type of point guard he usually has.

[darjum]

Not that it matters but my disappointment (and I am sure Kyrie's) with Kyrie's injury is that we never got to see him play against UNC. I really wanted to see how Roy tried to defend the type of point guard he usually has.

Brandon Knight did very well against UNC in the Elite 8, 22p, 7r, 4a and 3s. In my opinion Kyrie is better than Knight, I'm sure quite a few NBA execs agree.

[whereinthehellami]

Below is a list of the ESPN/USA mens Top 25 teams with the players that they are losing, either to senior attrition, the draft, or to transfer. Only players who averaged over 10 MPG are included.

I did this in 2008 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?8688-Usa-espn-Coaches-Poll&p=159580#post159580), 2009 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?15609-Comprehensive-NBA-early-entry-thread-2009&p=289302#post289302), and 2010 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?20862-ESPN-USA-Top-25-player-losses&p=398436#post398436) also, in case anyone is interested.


UCONN (2) – Okwandu 7-0, Walker 6-1 (NBA)
Butler (4) – Vanzant 6-0, Howard 6-8, Hahn 6-1, Mack 6-3 (NBA?)
Kentucky (4) – Harrellson 6-10, Knight 6-3 (NBA?), Jones 6-8 (NBA?), Liggins 6-6 (NBA?)
Kansas (6) – Morningstar 6-4, Reed 6-3, Little 6-6, Morris 6-10 (NBA), Morris 6-9 (NBA), Selby 6-3 (NBA)
Ohio State (3) – Lighty 6-5, Diebler 6-6, Lauderdale 6-8
VCU(4)– Rodriguez 5-10, Skeen 6-9, Rozzell 6-2, Nixon 6-4
Duke (3) – Singler 6-8, Smith 6-3, Irving 6-2 (NBA)
UNC (1) – Knox 6-8
Arizona (2) – Horne 6-7, Williams 6-8 (NBA)
Florida (3) – Tyus 6-8, Parsons 6-10, Macklin 6-10
SDSU (4) – Thomas 6-9, Carwell 6-10, Gay 6-0, White 6-8
Pittsburgh (4) – Brown 6-6, Wanamaker 6-4, McGhee 6-11, Gibbs 6-2 (NBA?)
BYU (3) – Emery 6-3, Fredette 6-2, Magnusson 6-7
Notre Dame (2) – Nash 6-8, Hansbrough 6-5
Wisconsin (3) – Jarmusz 6-6, Leuer 6-10, Nankivil 6-8
Texas (4) – Johnson 6-6, Balbay 6-1, Lucas 5-10, Hill 6-10
Purdue (2) – Johnson 6-10, Moore 6-4,
Syracuse (1) - Jackson 6-9,
FSU (2) – Kitchen 6-4, Singleton (NBA?),
Marquette (2)– Buycks 6-3, Butler 6-7
Richmond (4) – Smith 6-5, Anderson 6-0, Harper 6-10, Geriot 6-9
Louisville (1) – Knowles 6-1
Washington (4) – Overton 6-0, Thomas 5-9 (NBA), Amaning 6-9, Holiday 6-6
Kansas State (2) – Pullen 6-1, Kelly 6-8
Utah State (5) – Williams 6-4, Green 6-1, Newbold 6-5, Bendall 6-9, Wesley 6-7


The big losers are Kansas (6) and Utah State (5), as far as player attrition goes.

The big winners, so far at least, are UNC (1), Syracuse (1), and Louisville (1), as far as player attrition goes.

Most of the of teams in the Top 25 (22 out of 25) are losing more than 1 player, so next year should be wide open again. And the teams that are losing only 2 players (7 of them) are going to be totally different next year as they are losing in most cases the player that is their heart and soul.