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Bluedog
03-23-2011, 01:44 PM
Top 5:


Rank Team MBB Rev Index
1 Duke $26,667,056 2.64
2 Louisville $25,890,003 2.57
3 North Carolina $20,551,168 2.04
4 Arizona $19,285,038 1.91
5 Syracuse $18,309,470 1.82
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ys-forbes-highest_revenue_generating_college_teams_032211

Big East leads if you look at total conference revenue, while Big Ten and ACC round out the top 3.

Reddevil
03-23-2011, 02:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X63t7AFqvhg&feature=related

Reilly
03-23-2011, 03:22 PM
New book by Duke public policy professor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxdUHoE2VE0

JasonEvans
03-23-2011, 04:20 PM
Louisville at #2? That is a bit shocking. I bet a lot of that is because they play ina really fancy, brand new arena that seats 22,000 people per game. The fact that Duke is #1 despite playing in a tiny, tiny stadium is really a tribute to how much we dominate in TV appearances/ratings.

Also of note--

Kentucky is #7. I would certainly have expected them to be higher up the list.

Indiana is #8, despite the program being down in the dumps for several years. Those Hoosier folks loooove them some basketball!

Kansas is #11. Color me shocked that they do not make more. They are only barely ahead ($600k) of Arkansas at #13. Kansas needs to figure out how to better capitalize on a very, very successful brand.

After Duke and UNC, you have to wade quite a bit down the list to get to the next ACC teams -- Maryland is #24 at $10.7 mill, NCSU is #25 at $10.3 mill, Virginina #29 at $9.7 mill.

The lowest ACC team is FSU, which brings in $5.7 mill from basketball, putting it 62nd out of 73 teams in BCS conferences. That's pretty pathetic.

But if you want a real shocker at the bottom of the list-- Notre Dame is 69th out of 73 BCS teams with basketball revenues of $4.0 million. Wow. I cannot even begin to fathom how that could be the case for a school with such a passionate fan base. Their arena seats 9800 people, which is small but still... 69th out of 73?!?! Shocking.

-Jason "of note, I just realized that these figures are from 2009, so a lot could have changed the past couple years" Evans

DukieInKansas
03-23-2011, 05:30 PM
I wonder where KU would be if the ticket scandal had not occurred. I don't remember if I ever saw an annual dollar amount to that mess.

4decadedukie
03-23-2011, 05:38 PM
It may be worth mentioning, however, that overall Duke's intercollegiate athletic program operates at a substantial loss, despite revenues from basketball (etc.), requiring augmentation from general University funds. This is standard for the overwhelming majority of colleges and universities.

Bluedog
03-23-2011, 05:52 PM
It may be worth mentioning, however, that overall Duke's intercollegiate athletic program operates at a substantial loss, despite revenues from basketball (etc.), requiring augmentation from general University funds. This is standard for the overwhelming majority of colleges and universities.

The last report I saw said Duke basketball operates at a loss (with its expenses exceeding the nearest competitor by a huge margin). But some people say that it wasn't completely accurate and was simply an accounting decision/issue. That article was discussed on these boards quite a bit a year or so ago...

crimsonandblue
03-23-2011, 11:08 PM
Louisville at #2? That is a bit shocking. I bet a lot of that is because they play ina really fancy, brand new arena that seats 22,000 people per game. The fact that Duke is #1 despite playing in a tiny, tiny stadium is really a tribute to how much we dominate in TV appearances/ratings.

Also of note--

Kentucky is #7. I would certainly have expected them to be higher up the list.

Indiana is #8, despite the program being down in the dumps for several years. Those Hoosier folks loooove them some basketball!

Kansas is #11. Color me shocked that they do not make more. They are only barely ahead ($600k) of Arkansas at #13. Kansas needs to figure out how to better capitalize on a very, very successful brand.

After Duke and UNC, you have to wade quite a bit down the list to get to the next ACC teams -- Maryland is #24 at $10.7 mill, NCSU is #25 at $10.3 mill, Virginina #29 at $9.7 mill.

The lowest ACC team is FSU, which brings in $5.7 mill from basketball, putting it 62nd out of 73 teams in BCS conferences. That's pretty pathetic.

But if you want a real shocker at the bottom of the list-- Notre Dame is 69th out of 73 BCS teams with basketball revenues of $4.0 million. Wow. I cannot even begin to fathom how that could be the case for a school with such a passionate fan base. Their arena seats 9800 people, which is small but still... 69th out of 73?!?! Shocking.

-Jason "of note, I just realized that these figures are from 2009, so a lot could have changed the past couple years" Evans

These numbers don't capture the real revenue generated by Kansas basketball. Additionally, if you look at Forbes overall athletics budget numbers, both the Big XII an Pac 12 are coming up on renewals of their tv contracts (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/14/2726182/big-12-fox-sports-reportedly-near.html), which is why they're lagging so on tv revenues. But, back to Kansas basketball.

Based on the linked article, they're just taking the DOE figures and using the numbers at face value. But, Kansas has an athletics-wide point/donation system that requires annual donations for the privilege of buying football and basketball tickets. When submitted to the NCAA/DOE, those amounts are attributed as "non-sport/non-gender specific," but I assure you, the $36+ Million a year that shows up on KU's non-sport/non-gender revenue line (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d3135353331372679656 1723d32303039267264743d332f32332f323031312031313a3 0353a303120504d) (Duke's, for example, is $9+ Million) isn't being given for the right to buy football tickets.

KU capitalizes fine on its hoops brand. There are discussions ongoing as to a Big XII network for basketball and nonrevenue sports rights. We'll see if that makes sense. UT and OU won't be a part of it, as they're going forward with their own networks. KU already has a separate licensing deal for its basketball rights with AEG. Our adidas deal may also get bid out again soon.

JasonEvans
03-23-2011, 11:10 PM
These numbers don't capture the real revenue generated by Kansas basketball. Additionally, both the Big XII an Pac 12 are coming up on renewals of their tv contracts (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/03/14/2726182/big-12-fox-sports-reportedly-near.html), which is why they're lagging so on tv revenues. But, back to Kansas.

Based on the linked article, they're just taking the DOE figures and using the numbers at face value. But, Kansas has an athletics-wide point/donation system that requires annual donations for the privilege of buying football and basketball tickets. When submitted to the NCAA/DOE, those amounts are attributed as "non-sport specific," but I assure you, the $36+ Million a year that shows up on KU's non-sport/non-gender revenue line (http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d3135353331372679656 1723d32303039267264743d332f32332f323031312031313a3 0353a303120504d) (Duke's, for example, is $9+ Million) isn't being given for the right to buy football tickets.

KU capitalizes fine on its hoops brand. There are discussions ongoing as to a Big XII network for basketball and nonrevenue sports rights. We'll see if that makes sense. UT and OU won't be a part of it, as they're going forward with their own networks. KU already has a separate licensing deal for its basketball rights with AEG. Our adidas deal may also get bid out again soon.

Thanks, C&B. The Kansas numbers really jumped off the page to me as out of whack with the strength and popularity of the program. Your explanation fills in a lot of the blanks.

-Jason "I figured these numbers had been fudged and were not exactly apples to apples when I saw Louisville at #2" Evans

crimsonandblue
03-23-2011, 11:36 PM
Thanks, C&B. The Kansas numbers really jumped off the page to me as out of whack with the strength and popularity of the program. Your explanation fills in a lot of the blanks.

-Jason "I figured these numbers had been fudged and were not exactly apples to apples when I saw Louisville at #2" Evans

Yeah, it's just hard to get those apples to apples comparisons. Schools stuff money different places or structure their fundraising differently.

Kansas's revenues likely have taken a hit with the Mangino firing and ticket scandal. Thankfully, the new AD seems to be a straight shooter and a decent run in this tourney, fueled by some upsets, will help things get back on track.

Speaking of track, KU and Duke need to get a volume discount on football track removal.

-bdbd
03-23-2011, 11:55 PM
Top 5:


Rank Team MBB Rev Index
1 Duke $26,667,056 2.64
2 Louisville $25,890,003 2.57
3 North Carolina $20,551,168 2.04
4 Arizona $19,285,038 1.91
5 Syracuse $18,309,470 1.82
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=ys-forbes-highest_revenue_generating_college_teams_032211

Big East leads if you look at total conference revenue, while Big Ten and ACC round out the top 3.

Yeah, but the Big East has to divide it among their 52 conference basketball programs! :p

Edouble
03-24-2011, 01:46 AM
It may be worth mentioning, however, that overall Duke's intercollegiate athletic program operates at a substantial loss, despite revenues from basketball (etc.), requiring augmentation from general University funds. This is standard for the overwhelming majority of colleges and universities.

Which is why college amateurs shouldn't be paid. They get a free ride. That's enough.

cruxer
03-24-2011, 09:26 AM
The lowest ACC team is FSU, which brings in $5.7 mill from basketball, putting it 62nd out of 73 teams in BCS conferences. That's pretty pathetic

Yes but the Noles couldn't care less as they print money with their football program, which blows the rest of the league away in revenue. Duke is the only program whose bball program makes more than football, which is typically the real money maker.

-c