Decals on the playing surface

[moonpie23]

olympics, fiba, world, tonight...


can't the coaches get these things banned? kyrie took a nasty spill tonight....

[ajgoodfella7]

olympics, fiba, world, tonight...


can't the coaches get these things banned? kyrie took a nasty spill tonight....

You would think if so it would have happened a long time ago since this seems to happen in every single tournament. I personally agree and think its just stupid to have them right on top of the paint. It they want a decal put it in mid-court area where there isn't nearly as much action.

[moonpie23]

You would think if so it would have happened a long time ago since this seems to happen in every single tournament. I personally agree and think its just stupid to have them right on top of the paint. It they want a decal put it in mid-court area where there isn't nearly as much action.

i think they had that at one of the fiba games and players STILL slid on it...

[ajgoodfella7]

i think they had that at one of the fiba games and players STILL slid on it...

Well if they absolutely had to have decals to appease the sponsors, I would much prefer it to be in the middle of the court instead of right at the top of the key.

[Newton_14]

Great point MP. The decal on the sides are bad enough but to put one in the middle of the key is downright stupid. The killed the Kyrie drive during stall ball and gave the other team a free layup. Like someone else mentioned he fell much harder on that same spot a little earlier.

I keep waiting for the day when a kid rips an ACL or MCL while slipping on one of those decals. Surely with the technology we have today someone can create some type of material that is not so susceptible to being slick.

They are bad for the game.

[Kedsy]

First thing my nine year old son said to me when we turned on the game was, "they have too many stickers on the court, Dad. Why do they do that?"

[moonpie23]

well, it's unsafe for the players.......someone has to point out the obvious...they wouldn't allow the players to play with water on the floor....

what if reeses want's to pay to have water on the floor?????????

bull crappie...

[DevilWearsPrada]

I guess they have to pay the bills with all those decals advertising whatever or whomever on the court.

We get so many commercials, but thats good during games, for rest periods and coaching strategy.

Its all about the Corporate sponsors!!! Just hope no one gets hurt off the silly things on the court!

[ajgoodfella7]

well, it's unsafe for the players.......someone has to point out the obvious...they wouldn't allow the players to play with water on the floor....

what if reeses want's to pay to have water on the floor?????????

bull crappie...

I agree with you 100%... I'm just not sure that the proper authorities care, if it is putting money in their pockets.

[moonpie23]

I agree with you 100%... I'm just not sure that the proper authorities care, if it is putting money in their pockets.

all it would take is someone like K saying he is not going to risk his team on the decals.....and then for the opposing coach to agree with him...

they would be gone.....

i'm all about some sponsorship, but the rolling loincloth at the scorers table, the ticker tape flashing signs in the arenas...... i think there's plenty of "coverage" for the sponsors......besides, that's what commercials are for.....

[DevilWearsPrada]

Jay Bilas said it on ESPN the night of 24 hours of basketball, that expanding the field to 68 from 64, was all about the money. And if corporate sponsors had it their way, it would be 96 teams playing for the National Championship.

There are not 64 teams worthy of a national championship, let alone 68, or 96. However, having 64 teams, has made the math and the brackets work out perfect. Now they mess up the greatest competition in competitive collegiate sports.

Like Jay said, "Its all about the MONEY." One of the smartest statements I have heard Jay Bilas say, that I agree with.

And he was positive about Duke that night too!!! 2 snaps up in D formation!!!!

[ajgoodfella7]

all it would take is someone like K saying he is not going to risk his team on the decals.....and then for the opposing coach to agree with him...

they would be gone.....

i'm all about some sponsorship, but the rolling loincloth at the scorers table, the ticker tape flashing signs in the arenas...... i think there's plenty of "coverage" for the sponsors......besides, that's what commercials are for.....

I'm sure someone has brought it up by now since this has been going on for years and years. They shouldn't be allowed to have anything on the court that isn't painted there or a permanent part of the court. Believe me every time they have one these tournaments, I see multiple players slip every game. The exact same thing happened throughout the entire CvsC tournament at MSG last week.

[SilkyJ]

all it would take is someone like K saying he is not going to risk his team on the decals.....and then for the opposing coach to agree with him...

they would be gone.....


Really, you only think it would take 2 coaches? You don't think two coaches from the same game have complained about this before? You think this is the 1st time this has happened?

I agree they suck, but its going to take something major for them to go away. Its a part of the game at this point...

[Reilly]

During a baseball game, don't they superimpose ads to the left of the umpire/catcher/batter and make it look like those ads are on the wall surrounding the field? Can folks do the same with a b'ball court? Football fields have the yellow line; can't b'ball courts have a nice Reece's sticker superimposed in the key without endangering the players?

[theAlaskanBear]

I was going to make it a specific point to post this today, but you all beat me too it. It's one thing to have the sponsor of the tournament on the floor, it's another to let other companies buy ad-space and place them all over inside the 3-pt arc.

Not even the most commercialized sport -- football, allows such profanity on the field.

Kyrie took a nasty tumble in an important stretch of the game -- not only is it potentially dangerous, but it adversely affects the game by creating turnovers.

[bjornolf]

I say put the ads on the jumbotron above for the people in the arena, and do the computer generated ads (like the yellow first down line in football, or the ads on the field in arena football) for the fans at home. I don't THINK players can slip on computer generated images on the TV, but you never know. :D A SMALL decal at center court is okay, but these monstrosities that go from five second line to five second line are ridiculous, and a decal in the top of the key is just dangerous and should be illegal.

You mentioned football not having the ads. The irony is that just painting the grass a different color wouldn't affect footing nearly as much as the decals on basketball courts.

NASCAR is certainly the most advertised sport in the world, yet you don't see ads ON the playing surface.

Just my thoughts.

[CameronBornAndBred]

NASCAR is certainly the most advertised sport in the world, yet you don't see ads ON the playing surface.

My guess is you can go ahead and tack on a "yet" to that sentence. The radio announcers counted a total of 12 decals on the court.

[kingboozer]

I would think they could just place extra signage in the arena and put the logo on the score ticker on TV and call it a day. At least we don't have ads on jerseys like in Euro and the WNBA now (although I wouldn't be shocked to see it one day)

[duke79]

yea, not only are the decals dangerous but they look incredibly ugly on the court. When I saw one of the Duke games from Cameron on TV with the decals on the court, I was thinking WTH is that?? Almost like the court was being defiled by cheap commercialism. I'm all in favor of making money, but let's show a little restraint and some class and some respect for the playing surface and the players. I also couldn't stand it when they started put advertising on the boards in professional ice hockey. Totally tacky, IMHO !!

[-jk]

At least we don't have ads on jerseys like in Euro and the WNBA now (although I wouldn't be shocked to see it one day)

I guess the Nike Swoosh on our jerseys is a cultural statement rather than an advertisement. Or not.

It won't take much to scale them up - camels' noses and all that.

-jk

[flyingdutchdevil]

Slip or not, the decals aren't going away. Even if a few coaches complain - simply too much money at stake.

If companies cannot brand the court, then they'll find other, annoying, potentially more harmful ways to advertise, like placing logos on the jerseys, sneakers, or even the ball. Also, I can sadly envision branded mascots, branded backboards, branded cheerleaders, and, hell, branded coaches' suits!

[hurleyfor3]

During a baseball game, don't they superimpose ads to the left of the umpire/catcher/batter and make it look like those ads are on the wall surrounding the field? Can folks do the same with a b'ball court? Football fields have the yellow line; can't b'ball courts have a nice Reece's sticker superimposed in the key without endangering the players?

Yes, I have seen this done with basketball games. By now it is not a terribly new technology.

[tecumseh]

NASCAR is certainly the most advertised sport in the world, yet you don't see ads ON the playing surface.

Just my thoughts.

YET..

[PADukeMom]

I guess the Nike Swoosh on our jerseys is a cultural statement rather than an advertisement. Or not.



-jk

Personally I HATE that swoosh. It just looks like it could be annoying to the players. Kyle's uni looks "uncomfortable".

[Devilsfan]

This is a business not a sport only the players at some schools like Duke don't get paid. I expect to see jerseys soon that look like nascar jackets. Kentucky by Verison, tag line something like "soon we'll have cell phones in our state".

[MChambers]

Slip or not, the decals aren't going away. Even if a few coaches complain - simply too much money at stake.
I fear you are right, and think that our perimeter players need start their penetration moves when their defenders are on the decals.

Not sure what it means for defensive positioning!

[uh_no]

It just looks like it could be annoying to the players. Kyle's uni looks "uncomfortable".

um what?

i hope you're being facetious.

[moonpie23]

i don't care if the ball is a freakin chicken mcnugget looking thing....i'm talkin about the safety issue...

what do we need? somone to end a career on a reeses cup logo?

[ajgoodfella7]

what do we need? somone to end a career on a reeses cup logo?

Actually yes, that is likely exactly what we need for something to actually change.

[uh_no]

i don't care if the ball is a freakin chicken mcnugget looking thing....i'm talkin about the safety issue...

what do we need? somone to end a career on a reeses cup logo?

this WILL happen....or a game is decided by it.....and all it would take is someone like K refusing to play in a tournament that used them for them to disappear

i think the CBE classic sponsor would rather such a headline team as duke playing than their logo where it is.....

i wouldn't be suprised if the NCAA comes out with some regulations at some point if a few coaches met with the ncaa people.....

[CameronBornAndBred]

Personally I HATE that swoosh. It just looks like it could be annoying to the players. Kyle's uni looks "uncomfortable".
Just think...we could be wearing those little "Air Jordans" like Marquette. http://crazietalk.net/ourhouse/images/smilies/31.gif (http://crazietalk.net/ourhouse/posting.php?mode=post&f=3#) They made me uncomfortable.

[ajgoodfella7]

Kyle already slipped on that damn reese's logo.

[ajgoodfella7]

And there's slip 2, 4 minutes into the game. Absolutely ridiculous.

[Jderf]

Kyle already slipped on that damn reese's logo.

Add a turnover for Kyrie.

[jacone21]

and Kyrie on the other one. I'm never eating another Reese's cup.

[Lord Ash]

Yep... Miles picked up his first as his guy slipped. Then Kyrie goes down. Seth's foot slips on D and he almost eats it. Absolutely and COMPLETELY ridiculous.

[noyac]

twice already? It is a matter of time before a player sustains a serious injury because of reese's cups.


btw:Why advertise them they are so good there is no need.

[ajgoodfella7]

I'm never eating another Reese's cup.

That won't help, they'll just make the entire court a giant reese logo.

[wtm001]

Yep... Miles picked up his first as his guy slipped. Then Kyrie goes down. Absolutely and COMPLETELY ridiculous.

Curry slipped on defense. They need to do something with those decals. It would be nice if they removed them during the half, but no way is that happening.

[moonpie23]

be pro-active.......write to the company and tell them you won't by anymore specifically because of this...

[wtm001]

Or at least get rid of the ones inside the 3pt line

[DevilHorns]

Or at least get rid of the ones inside the 3pt line

Agreed. The 'Reeses' trademark is in a ridiculous location. Probably the highest traffic area on both ends of the court.

And on top of that, Dickie V goes off for 30 seconds on how much he likes Reeses.

[wtm001]

Agreed. The 'Reeses' trademark is in a ridiculous location. Probably the highest traffic area on both ends of the court.

And on top of that, Dickie V goes off for 30 seconds on how much he likes Reeses.

They already have a huge O'Reilly's decal in the middle and a Reese's one periodically below the scorers table. The Progressive one doesn't seem to be that big of an issue.

Sorry to rant :p

[CLW]

They've been falling all day long on the EA Sports logo ad midcourt in Maui. Someone is going to get hurt badly (blown knee) and its a shame that this garbage is allowed to put essentially stickers/decals all over the court. This isn't NASCAR.

[wtm001]

They've been falling all day long on the EA Sports logo ad midcourt in Maui. Someone is going to get hurt badly (blown knee) and its a shame that this garbage is allowed to put essentially stickers/decals all over the court. This isn't NASCAR.

lol you're right, this isn't Nascar. I've honestly lost count with the slips.

[SharkD]

Am I the only one who thinks that the problem is the presence of the players?

They keep getting in the way of those beautiful advertising decals.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one who tuned in to watch two hours of the camera panning across the court -- so that I know which auto parts store to patronize, which chocolate peanut butter cup candy to buy, which automotive insurance to purchase and which drive-in hamburger restaurant to drive 100 miles to purchase greasy, nasty sliders from, right? (I don't know what a 'CBE' is, but I'd be likely to buy one of those, too, if it weren't for those pesky players.)

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[ajgoodfella7]

Yeah really, I am leaving my house as we speak to get my tires rotated and pick up some reese cups. Thank God for those logos!!!

[BleedsP287]

For the record, I don't think it is so much a case of them putting the damn things there to appease the sponsors. I think it is a simple case of the sponsors giving them more money if they agree to it. The NCAA is selling them space happily, and clearly at the expense of student-athlete safety.

[uh_no]

For the record, I don't think it is so much a case of them putting the damn things there to appease the sponsors. I think it is a simple case of the sponsors giving them more money if they agree to it. The NCAA is selling them space happily, and clearly at the expense of student-athlete safety.

I don't think the NCAA has anything to do with it....there is likely some group that manages these tournaments, and they get sponsors that say I'll pay you xx to put my logo on the floor, so the management company does....the NCAA doesn't say don't do it, so they don't....i don't know anything for sure, but I believe there is some fixed fee for being registered as an in season 'tournament,' but other than that I doubt the NCAA gets the $$ from these particular logos

[Greg_Newton]

I don't have a problem with the idea in principal, but good lord, if you're going to do it, do it in a way that's safe and not completely shoddy. You could actually see little wrinkles in one of the decals on a close up, and I noticed at least 5-10 dangerous slip-falls on them tonight. It literally looked like they just glued a poster to the floor. I mean, it's 2010... is there not a stronger, sticker material you can use? Glad to see that K and Martin both complained about it.

If you're reading this Reese's, you did not endear yourself to me tonight!

[cptnflash]

Most retarded thing ever. Hopefully it gets fixed before someone tears an ACL. I'm looking at you, NCAA.

[jacone21]

Maybe one of Duke's talented video editors can put together a video of all the slips, falls, and near falls and send it to someone who cares. Between Maui and Kansas City, I'm sure there are at least 30 or so.

[camion]

One thing about Dickie V, you can't shut him up. Tonight that was a good thing becsause he went on for a couple of minutes about the decals and mentioned Reese's a couple of times by name. Other announcers generally attributed it to water on the court, but DV just blurts out the truth.

[Duke of Nashville]

One thing about Dickie V, you can't shut him up. Tonight that was a good thing becsause he went on for a couple of minutes about the decals and mentioned Reese's a couple of times by name. Other announcers generally attributed it to water on the court, but DV just blurts out the truth.

True about Dickie. Can't help but love the guy though and anything is better that Bill Raftery. His little stutter jibberish or whatever he does is the worst.

Reese's got their money's worth tonight, plenty of attention was brought to these decals.

[flyingdutchdevil]

I don't have a problem with the idea in principal, but good lord, if you're going to do it, do it in a way that's safe and not completely shoddy. You could actually see little wrinkles in one of the decals on a close up, and I noticed at least 5-10 dangerous slip-falls on them tonight. It literally looked like they just glued a poster to the floor. I mean, it's 2010... is there not a stronger, sticker material you can use? Glad to see that K and Martin both complained about it.

If you're reading this Reese's, you did not endear yourself to me tonight!

Great points. Branding is branding. Companies will happily brand anything (and, if it's legal, it's their right). If you're going to do it, make sure no one gets hurt. Hell, brand the basketball, hand out 'Reese's' sleeves, even stick a temporary tattoo on the forehead of the head coaches (will Coach K take American Express or Chevy?) - just try not to hurt anyone physically in the process.

[SharkD]

Most retarded thing ever. Hopefully it gets fixed before someone tears an ACL. I'm looking at you, NCAA.

The cynic in me thinks they might just be hoping for a spectacular injury -- think of how many people view clips of Joe Theismann's career ending injury, Ray Allen's eyeball popping out, Shaun Livingston's knee going sideways...

Now, think about how much more product exposure you'd get if your logo was directly under the gruesome action?

"Ouch! I can't look. I didn't think your arm could bend like that... I'm suddenly hungry for a peanut butter cup."

[theAlaskanBear]

The cynic in me thinks they might just be hoping for a spectacular injury -- think of how many people view clips of Joe Theismann's career ending injury, Ray Allen's eyeball popping out, Shaun Livingston's knee going sideways...

Now, think about how much more product exposure you'd get if your logo was directly under the gruesome action?

"Ouch! I can't look. I didn't think your arm could bend like that... I'm suddenly hungry for a peanut butter cup."

Laughing...so...hard.

I for one am thinking about writing a letter to Reece's complaining. Not that it will make a difference, but it would feel good. Surely there is a way for the community to push back against it.

[moonpie23]

actually, think about it......it would be horrible for someone to lose a career on YOUR COMPANY's logo....

think about the negative INVERSE of the desire.....

suppose some high profile player like John Wall ended his career on your logo....

i'd be in that marketing dept TODAY saying, "guys, we might want to re-think this"

[gam7]

Decals have been a problem in the Maui tournament too.

[moonpie23]

call hershey

1(800) 468-1714

press 0

talk to the nice woman that will "pass your comments along"


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[throatybeard]

Check this picture out. Twelve of them. Twelve.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201011/101124.04.jpg

[uh_no]

Decals have been a problem in the Maui tournament too.

there's only one big one in the middle though and maybe a small EA one near the side

[SCMatt33]

Check this picture out. Twelve of them. Twelve.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201011/101124.04.jpg

To be fair, it's only 10. The sprint center logos are painted on the court and not decals. Not that 10 is that much better, though.

[uh_no]

To be fair, it's only 10. The sprint center logos are painted on the court and not decals. Not that 10 is that much better, though.

especially when 6 of them are inside the arc

[House G]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20101126_CA@ND

Check out what happened with the center court decal in today's Notre Dame-Cal game! That's the worst I've ever seen.

[House G]

Maybe Cal can use that as an excuse for only scoring 5 points in the first half! I can only remember one team scoring fewer points in the first half of a game :D

[Newton_14]

especially when 6 of them are inside the arc

Exactly. Putting them inside the arc where players are constantly making cuts is asinine. K complained during the K-State game, so maybe he makes a formal complaint to try to deter this. I really hope it does not take a kid blowing his knee out to bring about change here.

[gumbomoop]

Maybe Cal can use that as an excuse for only scoring 5 points in the first half! I can only remember one team scoring fewer points in the first half of a game :D

I hear tell the halftime score in the infamous 1968 ACC tourney semifinal was -- Duke 4 NC State 2.

[gep]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20101126_CA@ND

Check out what happened with the center court decal in today's Notre Dame-Cal game! That's the worst I've ever seen.

I was watching that game when they stopped play to "rip off" about a 3x6 inch piece of the logo that came loose, then tape the edges down with some clear plastic tape. Then, the refs talked to the 2 coaches... the commentators said that they told the coaches that if a player travels by slipping on the logo, they will stop play, but the team that slipped will maintain possession. Amazing... no mention of possible injury and/or danger...

[ajgoodfella7]

Coach K addressed the whole decals fiasco tonight:


First, he talked about the decals on the court at the CBE Classic and other big events and blamed the lack of a true head of college basketball for sponsors being able to have the freedom to advertise on the playing field like that. “God bless Reese’s, I love them, my wife loves them,” he said, “but don’t use the top of the key to sell chocolate. You don’t see a baseball game with a Reese’s logo on the pitcher’s mound to sell chocolate, or a giant Car Quest logo between second and third.”

http://buzztap.com/link.jsp?id=2998357&cid=231&source=twitter

[uh_no]

Coach K addressed the whole decals fiasco tonight:



http://buzztap.com/link.jsp?id=2998357&cid=231&source=twitter

Can someone elaborate on the true head of college basketball comment?

I don't really know how much of the governing structure is set up or what K is proposing there

[ajgoodfella7]

Can someone elaborate on the true head of college basketball comment?

I don't really know how much of the governing structure is set up or what K is proposing there

I think he is talking about in an ideal situation there would be a committee in place to regulate situations such as this which obviously can create problems for the people actually playing. As of now as far as I can tell, there is not a system in place to regulate things such as this.

[sagegrouse]

Can someone elaborate on the true head of college basketball comment?

I don't really know how much of the governing structure is set up or what K is proposing there

K has consistently maintained there should be a commissioner to run college basketball. Let me give an approximate quote: "We didn't set out to build a billion-dollar business, but that is what we have. We need to treat it as one. I think we need a full-time commissioner to oversee college basketball."

sagegrouse

[gep]

I think I recall Kyrie slipping on the Reeses's logo at least once (if I'm wrong, please ignore the rest of this post). So... I start to wonder... someone else posted that Kyrie had a previous problem with his toe... did that "slip" (or slips) even mildly aggravate that "old" problem, such that the Butler game just made the "problem" bad?

[uh_no]

I think I recall Kyrie slipping on the Reeses's logo at least once (if I'm wrong, please ignore the rest of this post). So... I start to wonder... someone else posted that Kyrie had a previous problem with his toe... did that "slip" (or slips) even mildly aggravate that "old" problem, such that the Butler game just made the "problem" bad?

doubtful....unless it went from a slide to a hard stop.....turf toe type injuries are caused by the foot stretching in weird ways (due to an unforgiving surface if cleats and turf is involved)....if kyrie were sliding, its unlikely it put his foot into a position which would hurt it in that way (back seat doctor....)

but anything's possible.....