Better Title Game Tip-in

[MulletMan]

Shane Battier - 2001 v. Arizona
Jon Scheyer - 2010 v. Butler

In your response, please include reasoning!

[Duvall]

Shane Battier - 2001 v. Arizona
Jon Scheyer - 2010 v. Butler

In your response, please include reasoning!

Response: Shane Battier - 2001 v. Arizona
Reasoning: Because it was AWESOME.

[Bluedog]

This is the "tip-in" you're talking about right? More like a "follow up dunk".

@1:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYBf8YMq5M

But maybe I'm missing it.

Edit: Here's the Scheyer tip-in at 1:06 in case your forgot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAhVuNy7a3E

I vote for Scheyer because I saw it in person and it was more unexpected. ;) And it was over Howard.

[cato]

This is the "tip-in" you're talking about right? More like a "follow up dunk".

@1:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYBf8YMq5M

But maybe I'm missing it.


I don't think that's it. I don't have a link, but Battier had a tip-in with (IIRC) the back of his hand during the title game. He wasn't in position to grab the rebound, so he just figured out a way to do something better.

It was insane.

[cf-62]

Battier's tip was amazing twisting his body in between the AZ trees, and back-handing the ball from beneath the basket -- but he is
A) 6'9"
B) Battier

My vote goes to Scheyer's tip because
A) He went OVER the trees, 8 inches taller than him
B) We were hanging on by a thread
C) He had made the inbounds pass

The other thing is I give half a point to Miles for Scheyer's tip because just CATCHING the ball with Heyward and Howard draped on him like a cheap curtain, and was able to get it through their physicality (I did not say foul) and hit the rim as the shot clock expired. Otherwise, the tip is meaningless because it would be a shot-clock violation.

[tbyers11]

This is the "tip-in" you're talking about right? More like a "follow up dunk".

@1:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYBf8YMq5M

But maybe I'm missing it.

Edit: Here's the Scheyer tip-in at 1:06 in case your forgot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAhVuNy7a3E

I vote for Scheyer because I saw it in person and it was more unexpected. ;) And it was over Howard.

You've got the wrong Shane moment. Try this video at the 1:05 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3QUFMZIJ8

I vote for Shane's because of the degree of difficulty. He was jumping parallel to the basket and tipped it with the back of his hand. Scheyer's was very important as well, but over 9 years later the image of Shane's pops right into my head. Maybe it just means that I need to watch the 2010 championship game again :cool:

[DevilHorns]

I quickly read the title of this thread and thought you were comparing the two blocks in the championship game:

Shane (1:00 minute mark)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYBf8YMq5M&feature=related

Jon (14 second mark)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAhVuNy7a3E

It's cool to think that both Jon and Shane each had a highlight signature block and tip-in in their respective championship games.

Edit: sorry to change the thread trajectory, just an observation :)

[cato]

You've got the wrong Shane moment. Try this video at the 1:05 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3QUFMZIJ8

I vote for Shane's because of the degree of difficulty. He was jumping parallel to the basket and tipped it with the back of his hand. Scheyer's was very important as well, but over 9 years later the image of Shane's pops right into my head. Maybe it just means that I need to watch the 2010 championship game again :cool:

Wow. Watching that video reminds me how much I loved that team. I can't believe the luck of getting to follow two such teams in less than 10 years (and that only a decade after the 91 & 92 squads).

[Orange&BlackSheep]

I think it is no contest. Battier's tip is clearly more impressive. Back-handed amongst the trees ... he had to fight so hard just to be in position to make that incredible play.

I actually think Scheyer's PASS is more impressive than his tip. His tip was completely heady, but it was an easy play once he was in the air. The contact came after the tip.

I think it is a push if you factor in Scheyer's pass; advantage Battier if you judge only the tip.

[phaedrus]

I like Scheyer's. Sure, the tip itself wasn't that tough, but the real work (as always with rebounding) is getting into position. Scheyer, the point guard (like it or not), came from nowhere to materialize in the perfect spot, beating the opposing forwards to the rebound and making a play when we really needed it.

Battier's was tough, but he was a big strong forward (by college standards). He got in the mix and tipped the ball in. It was a great play, but not an unexpectedly great play.

[SCMatt33]

I think it is no contest. Battier's tip is clearly more impressive. Back-handed amongst the trees ... he had to fight so hard just to be in position to make that incredible play.

I actually think Scheyer's PASS is more impressive than his tip. His tip was completely heady, but it was an easy play once he was in the air. The contact came after the tip.

I think it is a push if you factor in Scheyer's pass; advantage Battier if you judge only the tip.

I actually think that Miles was the most impressive part of the play. If you look at Nolan on that play, it's pretty clear that he thinks someone was completely off on what was supposed to happen. I think Butler had whatever the design was well covered and Jon just lobbed it to an empty part of the court. Miles had 1 second to catch the ball, turn around, and get it up to where it would hit the rim, all with his momentum going in the opposite direction. Both Jon and Miles did a great job to turn a somewhat broken play into an impressive two points.

I thought Shane's play was more impressive, especially when you factor in the game situation, with Arizona having cut Duke's lead to three with less than four minutes left.

[SilkyJ]

SOOO tough. Went with shane b/c I've never seen a ball tipped in back-handed. Never.

He also did it in traffic, and contrary to what some people posted, Jon really had no one on him as he went up -- they were all facing Miles and no one blocked Jon out, so he had a clear look at it.

Both. Were. Awesome.

[juise]

I had to go with Battier here. Like others, I think that the difficulty of the play was much greater. Shane's body was contorted and the fact that he had to use the back of his hand to make the shot is evidence of the skill/creativity required to make a play in the situation.

Jon's play was heady and timely, for sure. And although his size made it a challenging play, it was really a pretty standard backside tip-in. He was in great position, which gave him a split-second lead on the Butler players.

[SuperTurkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYBf8YMq5M

Oy. I had forgotten how much I hate Billy Packer.

[Newton_14]

I had to go Battier. His was one of the best plays I have ever witnessed in a title game. How he even got to the ball, let alone tip it in back-handed was just an incredible athletic play. I know Duke has never had anything but "Alarmingly Un-Athletic" athletes, which makes it all the more impressive :cool:, but Shane's tip had "wow" factor. Jon's was more "great play there dude" type deal. Still a big play but nothing like Shane's.

Miles part was huge as well. Someone mentioned Butler reading the play. They did. They held Miles with a human body block. Should have been either a 10 yard holding call, or if Jon's pass was already in the air, it should have been pass interference! ;)

[larrypmac]

I go with Shane's, and it's a better picture, but for Jon, I think it was the closest he came to a dunk in his career.

Larry

[Edouble]

Gotta be Shane. After that play, I knew there was no way he was gonna let us lose the game.