ACCBBallFan
06-21-2010, 09:46 AM
Rather than tap into threads like Carolina next year or Duke small vs big, lots of new info below so its own thread ...
I tried to do some objective rankings by ACC position. I took into consideration primarily one year accomplishments relative to peers, also career accomplishments, and RCSI HS Rankings.
Usually it was single season first and career second and HS rankings third except I adjusted for Harrison Barnes being rated #1 overall, Kyrie Ivrving #4 etc.
I merely added all the positive attributes for each player Minutes Played; Points scored; Rebounds; Assists; Steals and Blocks without deducting for turnovers or personal fouls.
http://aboverim.blogspot.com/2010/05/acc-projected-hoops-lineups-for-2010-11.html
Joe Giglio picked Durand Scott and Reggie Jackson as All ACC. I agree with him at least on Scott and was surprised to see how well Drew II fared relative to other ACC guards
I originally thought Giglio was nuts having Duke play a 6'2" SF either Smith or Curry to start both with Irving and not starting both Plumlees.
After doing the analysis I agree since except for Harrison Barnes, there is no super strong ACC WF's and PF is loaded, and Miles Plumlee was not highly rated.
The so called small lineup with Singler and Mason Plumlee like UNC’s with Zeller and Henson would hold its own on rebounding. Alternations to move Singler back to WF would be required when Duke plays UNC Barnes, NC State CJ Leslie except when Scott Wood is in the game, and Clemson if Milton Jennings is for real.
Malcolm Delaney-1 VaT PG 6' 03" 190
Kyrie Irving-2 Duke PG 6' 02" 172
Larry Drew II-3 UNC PG 6' 02" 180
Demontez Stitt-4 Clemson PG 6' 02" 175
Reggie Jackson-5 BC PG 6' 03" 200
Javier Gonzalez-6 NC St PG 6' 00" 175
Durand Scott-7 Miami PG 6' 03" 195 surprisingly low
Kendall Marshall-8 UNC PG-2 6' 04" 180 strongest bench
Adrian Bowie-9 MD PG 6' 02" 190
Derwin Kitchen-10 FSU PG 6' 04" 198
Ryan Harrow-11 NC St PG-2 6' 00" 160
Maurice Miller-12 GaT PG 6' 02" 189
Mfon Udofia-13 GaT PG-2 6' 02" 187 might start over Miller
Jontel Evans-15 UVA PG 5' 11" 185
Tony Chennault-16 WF PG 6' 02" 185
Lamont Jones-17 VaT PG-2 6' 00" 190
Nolan Smith-1 Duke SG 6' 02" 185 might be SF with Curry SG
Dorenzo Hudson-2 VaT SG 6' 05" 220
Iman Shumpert-3 GaT SG 6' 05" 209
Reggie Bullock-4 UNC SG 6' 06" 190
Sean Mosley-5 MD SG 6' 04" 210
Biko Paris-6 BC SG 6' 01" 200
Sammy Zeglinski-7 UVA SG 6' 01" 180
Dexter Strickland-8 UNC SG-2 6' 03" 180 strongest bench
Malcolm Grant-9 Miami SG 6' 01" 191
Lorenzo Brown-10 NC St SG 6' 04" 180
Tanner Smith-11 Clemson SG 6' 05" 220
Deividas Dulkys-12 FSU SG 6' 05" 196
Noel Johnson-13 Clemson SG-2 6' 06" 190
C.J. Harris-14 WF SG 6' 02" 175
Harrison Barnes-1 UNC SF 6' 08" 209
Seth Curry-2 Duke SF 6' 01" 175 very small so maybe Dawkins if not Singler or Smith defends WF while Curry defends SG
Corey Raji-3 BC SF 6' 06" 218
J.T. Thompson-4 VaT SF 6' 06" 210
Andre Dawkins-5 Duke SF-2 6' 04" 190 a little bigger than Curry
Terrell Bell-6 VaT SF-2 6' 06" 205 might start instead of Thompson
C.J. Leslie-7 NC St SF 6' 09" 205
Scott Wood-8 NC St SF-2 6' 07" 170
Michael Snaer-9 FSU SF 6' 05" 200 seems low
Will Graves-10 UNC SF-2 6' 06" 240
Cliff Tucker-11 MD SF 6' 06" 205
DeQuan Jones-12 Miami SF 6' 06" 219
Milton Jennings-13 CL SF 6' 09" 225
C.J. Williams-14 NC St SF-3 6' 06" 218
Glen Rice Jr.-15 GaT SF 6' 05" 195
Mustapha Farrakhan-16 UVA SF 6' 04" 178
Brian Oliver-17 GaT SF-2 6' 06" 220
Ari Stewart-18 WF SF 6' 07" 205 (seems very low)
Kyle Singler-1 Duke PF 6' 08" 230 alternates at WF vs. UNC, NC St
Jeff Allen-2 VaT PF 6' 07" 230
Joe Trapani-3 BC PF 6' 08" 228
Chris Singleton-4 FSU PF 6' 09" 227
Mike Scott-5 UVA PF 6' 08" 239
John Henson-6 UNC PF 6' 10" 195 ACC very strong at PF
Dino Gregory-7 MD PF 6' 07" 230
James McAdoo-8 UNC PF-2 6' 08" 216 strongest bench
Tony Woods-9 WF PF 6' 11" 245
Richard Howell-10 NC St PF 6' 08" 266
Julian Gamble-11 Miami PF 6' 09" 255
Ryan Kelly-12 Duke PF-2 6' 10" 220
Cortney Dunn-13 BC PF-2 6' 08" 242
Josh Hairston-14 Duke PF-3 6' 09" 220
Devin Booker-15 Clemson PF 6' 08" 235 (seems too low)
Okaro White-16 FSU PF-2 6' 08" 180
James Padgett-17 MD PF-2 6' 08" 225
Allan Chaney-18 VaT PF-2 6' 09" 235
Kammeon Holsey-19 GaT PF 6' 08" 195 (GA Tech hurting at power positions)
Tracy Smith-1 NC St C 6' 08" 247
Tyler Zeller-2 UNC C 7' 00" 240
Jordan Williams-3 MD C 6' 10" 260
Josh Southern-4 BC C 6' 10" 250
Mason Plumlee-5 Duke C 6' 10" 230 plays PF vs. UNC, NC St, CL
Jerai Grant-6 Clemson C 6' 08" 220
Victor Davila-7 VaT C 6' 08" 245
Justin Knox-8 UNC C-2 6' 09" 240 his experience a big plus
Ty Walker-9 WF C 7' 00" 220 too high??
Miles Plumlee-10 Duke C-2 6' 10" 240
James Johnson-11 UVA C 6' 09" 212
Reggie Johnson-12 Miami C 6' 10" 295 too low??
Xavier Gibson-13 FSU C 6' 11" 240
Jon Kreft-14 FSU C-2 7' 00" 240 x-fer from JC
Assane Sene-15 UVA C-2 7' 00" 234
Catalin Baciu-16 Clemson C-2 7' 02" 245
Brad Sheehan-17 GaT C 7' 00" 235 (GA Tech hurting at power positions)
ACC Starters rankings
Duke-1 119 strong at 3 bench positions, very small WF if Curry/Dawkins
UNC-2T 114 very strong bench at all 5 positions, unfavorable unbalanced schedule
VaT-2T 114 only strong at SF Bench, very favorable unbalanced schedule
BC-4 109 (surprisingly high even without Sanders)weak bench
NC St-5 96 strong at two bench positions PG and SF, unfavorable schedule
MD-6 95 no bench
FSU-7 82 (surprisingly low) only strong at C bench
Clemson-8 81 only strong at SG bench, unfavorable schedule
Miami-9 79 no bench
UVA-10 76 only strong at C bench
GaT-11 64 only strong at PG bench, very weak at PF/C, favorable schedule
WF-12 63 no bench, vey weak at PG/SG
Overall Ranking factoring in experience, ACC schedule
Duke-1 767
UNC-2 738
VaT-3 713
NC St-4 644
BC-5 582
MD-6 480
GaT-7 476
FSU-8 467
Clemson-9 417
Miami-10 402
UVA-11 387
WF-12 323
Highest rated bench players
Rating Bench Height Weight
13 Cortney Dunn-13 BC PF-2 6' 08" 242
13 Noel Johnson-13 Clemson SG-2 6' 06" 190
21 Andre Dawkins-5 Duke SF-2 6' 04" 190
16 Miles Plumlee-10 Duke C-2 6' 10" 240
14 Ryan Kelly-12 Duke PF-2 6' 10" 230
13 Jon Kreft-14 FSU C-2 7' 00" 240
13 Mfon Udofia-13 GaT PG-2 6' 02" 187
18 Scott Wood-8 NC St SF-2 6' 07" 170
15 Ryan Harrow-11 NC St PG-2 6' 00" 160
18 Kendall Marshall-8 UNC PG-2 6' 04" 180
18 Dexter Strickland-8 UNC SG-2 6' 03" 180
18 James McAdoo-8 UNC PF-2 6' 08" 216
18 Justin Knox-8 UNC C-2 6' 09" 240
16 Will Graves-10 UNC SF-2 6' 06" 240
20 Terrell Bell-6 VaT SF-2 6' 06" 205
Of course teams can get by with a 7-8 man rotation, but in this analysis I assumed players only played one position. UNC Bench had maximum 5 guys, Duke 3, NC State 2 and everybody else had one or none.
Clearly the most favorable ACC unbalanced schedule is VA Tech and the most unfavorable is UNC.
17 - VA Tech (#3) (UVA, BC, GA T, MD and Wake)
24 - GA Tech (#7) (Clemson, Wake, Miami, UVA and VA T)
31 - Duke (#1) (UNC, MD, Miami, NC St, UVA)
32 - BC (#5)
32 - MD (#6)
33 - FSU (#8)
34 - Wake (#12)
35 - Miami (#10)
36 - UVA (#11)
37 - Clemson (#9) (GA T, FSU, Miami, UNC, NC St)
38 - NC St (#4) (UNC, WF, Clem, Duke, FSU)
41 - UNC (#2) (Duke, NC ST, BC, Clemson, FSU)
Drew II came out surprisingly well. Ari Stewart and Devin Booker surprisingly low, Ty Walker too high, Reggie Johnson too low wtc.
While it is true Larry Drew had a lot of turnovers last year (120) making this adjustment would not change the rank ordering as Gonzales had 109, Delaney 99, Stitt and Jackson 80, Scott 73 and Kitchen 69.
I tried to do some objective rankings by ACC position. I took into consideration primarily one year accomplishments relative to peers, also career accomplishments, and RCSI HS Rankings.
Usually it was single season first and career second and HS rankings third except I adjusted for Harrison Barnes being rated #1 overall, Kyrie Ivrving #4 etc.
I merely added all the positive attributes for each player Minutes Played; Points scored; Rebounds; Assists; Steals and Blocks without deducting for turnovers or personal fouls.
http://aboverim.blogspot.com/2010/05/acc-projected-hoops-lineups-for-2010-11.html
Joe Giglio picked Durand Scott and Reggie Jackson as All ACC. I agree with him at least on Scott and was surprised to see how well Drew II fared relative to other ACC guards
I originally thought Giglio was nuts having Duke play a 6'2" SF either Smith or Curry to start both with Irving and not starting both Plumlees.
After doing the analysis I agree since except for Harrison Barnes, there is no super strong ACC WF's and PF is loaded, and Miles Plumlee was not highly rated.
The so called small lineup with Singler and Mason Plumlee like UNC’s with Zeller and Henson would hold its own on rebounding. Alternations to move Singler back to WF would be required when Duke plays UNC Barnes, NC State CJ Leslie except when Scott Wood is in the game, and Clemson if Milton Jennings is for real.
Malcolm Delaney-1 VaT PG 6' 03" 190
Kyrie Irving-2 Duke PG 6' 02" 172
Larry Drew II-3 UNC PG 6' 02" 180
Demontez Stitt-4 Clemson PG 6' 02" 175
Reggie Jackson-5 BC PG 6' 03" 200
Javier Gonzalez-6 NC St PG 6' 00" 175
Durand Scott-7 Miami PG 6' 03" 195 surprisingly low
Kendall Marshall-8 UNC PG-2 6' 04" 180 strongest bench
Adrian Bowie-9 MD PG 6' 02" 190
Derwin Kitchen-10 FSU PG 6' 04" 198
Ryan Harrow-11 NC St PG-2 6' 00" 160
Maurice Miller-12 GaT PG 6' 02" 189
Mfon Udofia-13 GaT PG-2 6' 02" 187 might start over Miller
Jontel Evans-15 UVA PG 5' 11" 185
Tony Chennault-16 WF PG 6' 02" 185
Lamont Jones-17 VaT PG-2 6' 00" 190
Nolan Smith-1 Duke SG 6' 02" 185 might be SF with Curry SG
Dorenzo Hudson-2 VaT SG 6' 05" 220
Iman Shumpert-3 GaT SG 6' 05" 209
Reggie Bullock-4 UNC SG 6' 06" 190
Sean Mosley-5 MD SG 6' 04" 210
Biko Paris-6 BC SG 6' 01" 200
Sammy Zeglinski-7 UVA SG 6' 01" 180
Dexter Strickland-8 UNC SG-2 6' 03" 180 strongest bench
Malcolm Grant-9 Miami SG 6' 01" 191
Lorenzo Brown-10 NC St SG 6' 04" 180
Tanner Smith-11 Clemson SG 6' 05" 220
Deividas Dulkys-12 FSU SG 6' 05" 196
Noel Johnson-13 Clemson SG-2 6' 06" 190
C.J. Harris-14 WF SG 6' 02" 175
Harrison Barnes-1 UNC SF 6' 08" 209
Seth Curry-2 Duke SF 6' 01" 175 very small so maybe Dawkins if not Singler or Smith defends WF while Curry defends SG
Corey Raji-3 BC SF 6' 06" 218
J.T. Thompson-4 VaT SF 6' 06" 210
Andre Dawkins-5 Duke SF-2 6' 04" 190 a little bigger than Curry
Terrell Bell-6 VaT SF-2 6' 06" 205 might start instead of Thompson
C.J. Leslie-7 NC St SF 6' 09" 205
Scott Wood-8 NC St SF-2 6' 07" 170
Michael Snaer-9 FSU SF 6' 05" 200 seems low
Will Graves-10 UNC SF-2 6' 06" 240
Cliff Tucker-11 MD SF 6' 06" 205
DeQuan Jones-12 Miami SF 6' 06" 219
Milton Jennings-13 CL SF 6' 09" 225
C.J. Williams-14 NC St SF-3 6' 06" 218
Glen Rice Jr.-15 GaT SF 6' 05" 195
Mustapha Farrakhan-16 UVA SF 6' 04" 178
Brian Oliver-17 GaT SF-2 6' 06" 220
Ari Stewart-18 WF SF 6' 07" 205 (seems very low)
Kyle Singler-1 Duke PF 6' 08" 230 alternates at WF vs. UNC, NC St
Jeff Allen-2 VaT PF 6' 07" 230
Joe Trapani-3 BC PF 6' 08" 228
Chris Singleton-4 FSU PF 6' 09" 227
Mike Scott-5 UVA PF 6' 08" 239
John Henson-6 UNC PF 6' 10" 195 ACC very strong at PF
Dino Gregory-7 MD PF 6' 07" 230
James McAdoo-8 UNC PF-2 6' 08" 216 strongest bench
Tony Woods-9 WF PF 6' 11" 245
Richard Howell-10 NC St PF 6' 08" 266
Julian Gamble-11 Miami PF 6' 09" 255
Ryan Kelly-12 Duke PF-2 6' 10" 220
Cortney Dunn-13 BC PF-2 6' 08" 242
Josh Hairston-14 Duke PF-3 6' 09" 220
Devin Booker-15 Clemson PF 6' 08" 235 (seems too low)
Okaro White-16 FSU PF-2 6' 08" 180
James Padgett-17 MD PF-2 6' 08" 225
Allan Chaney-18 VaT PF-2 6' 09" 235
Kammeon Holsey-19 GaT PF 6' 08" 195 (GA Tech hurting at power positions)
Tracy Smith-1 NC St C 6' 08" 247
Tyler Zeller-2 UNC C 7' 00" 240
Jordan Williams-3 MD C 6' 10" 260
Josh Southern-4 BC C 6' 10" 250
Mason Plumlee-5 Duke C 6' 10" 230 plays PF vs. UNC, NC St, CL
Jerai Grant-6 Clemson C 6' 08" 220
Victor Davila-7 VaT C 6' 08" 245
Justin Knox-8 UNC C-2 6' 09" 240 his experience a big plus
Ty Walker-9 WF C 7' 00" 220 too high??
Miles Plumlee-10 Duke C-2 6' 10" 240
James Johnson-11 UVA C 6' 09" 212
Reggie Johnson-12 Miami C 6' 10" 295 too low??
Xavier Gibson-13 FSU C 6' 11" 240
Jon Kreft-14 FSU C-2 7' 00" 240 x-fer from JC
Assane Sene-15 UVA C-2 7' 00" 234
Catalin Baciu-16 Clemson C-2 7' 02" 245
Brad Sheehan-17 GaT C 7' 00" 235 (GA Tech hurting at power positions)
ACC Starters rankings
Duke-1 119 strong at 3 bench positions, very small WF if Curry/Dawkins
UNC-2T 114 very strong bench at all 5 positions, unfavorable unbalanced schedule
VaT-2T 114 only strong at SF Bench, very favorable unbalanced schedule
BC-4 109 (surprisingly high even without Sanders)weak bench
NC St-5 96 strong at two bench positions PG and SF, unfavorable schedule
MD-6 95 no bench
FSU-7 82 (surprisingly low) only strong at C bench
Clemson-8 81 only strong at SG bench, unfavorable schedule
Miami-9 79 no bench
UVA-10 76 only strong at C bench
GaT-11 64 only strong at PG bench, very weak at PF/C, favorable schedule
WF-12 63 no bench, vey weak at PG/SG
Overall Ranking factoring in experience, ACC schedule
Duke-1 767
UNC-2 738
VaT-3 713
NC St-4 644
BC-5 582
MD-6 480
GaT-7 476
FSU-8 467
Clemson-9 417
Miami-10 402
UVA-11 387
WF-12 323
Highest rated bench players
Rating Bench Height Weight
13 Cortney Dunn-13 BC PF-2 6' 08" 242
13 Noel Johnson-13 Clemson SG-2 6' 06" 190
21 Andre Dawkins-5 Duke SF-2 6' 04" 190
16 Miles Plumlee-10 Duke C-2 6' 10" 240
14 Ryan Kelly-12 Duke PF-2 6' 10" 230
13 Jon Kreft-14 FSU C-2 7' 00" 240
13 Mfon Udofia-13 GaT PG-2 6' 02" 187
18 Scott Wood-8 NC St SF-2 6' 07" 170
15 Ryan Harrow-11 NC St PG-2 6' 00" 160
18 Kendall Marshall-8 UNC PG-2 6' 04" 180
18 Dexter Strickland-8 UNC SG-2 6' 03" 180
18 James McAdoo-8 UNC PF-2 6' 08" 216
18 Justin Knox-8 UNC C-2 6' 09" 240
16 Will Graves-10 UNC SF-2 6' 06" 240
20 Terrell Bell-6 VaT SF-2 6' 06" 205
Of course teams can get by with a 7-8 man rotation, but in this analysis I assumed players only played one position. UNC Bench had maximum 5 guys, Duke 3, NC State 2 and everybody else had one or none.
Clearly the most favorable ACC unbalanced schedule is VA Tech and the most unfavorable is UNC.
17 - VA Tech (#3) (UVA, BC, GA T, MD and Wake)
24 - GA Tech (#7) (Clemson, Wake, Miami, UVA and VA T)
31 - Duke (#1) (UNC, MD, Miami, NC St, UVA)
32 - BC (#5)
32 - MD (#6)
33 - FSU (#8)
34 - Wake (#12)
35 - Miami (#10)
36 - UVA (#11)
37 - Clemson (#9) (GA T, FSU, Miami, UNC, NC St)
38 - NC St (#4) (UNC, WF, Clem, Duke, FSU)
41 - UNC (#2) (Duke, NC ST, BC, Clemson, FSU)
Drew II came out surprisingly well. Ari Stewart and Devin Booker surprisingly low, Ty Walker too high, Reggie Johnson too low wtc.
While it is true Larry Drew had a lot of turnovers last year (120) making this adjustment would not change the rank ordering as Gonzales had 109, Delaney 99, Stitt and Jackson 80, Scott 73 and Kitchen 69.