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BD80
04-29-2010, 07:15 PM
Gilbert Arenas is in trouble (contractually) for guns he ordered in 2006.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/29/gilbert-arenas-washington-wizards-gun-charges-lawsuit-weapons-nba-basketball-silencers-felony/


Arenas bought five custom Beretta pistols with five silencers in February of 2006

Not to take this to PPB area, but what legitimate purpose does one have for FIVE pistols with SILENCERS? If the guns are for self-defense, why the silencers? So the police don't know you are in trouble? So you won't scare away the rest of the attackers?

These are guns he didn't pick up, so these would have been in addition to the four handguns he took to the arena, plus whatever other guns he kept in his houses or cars.

This idiot is a real loose canon, pun intended.

yancem
04-29-2010, 07:57 PM
I agree about the silencers! The only people that need a silencer are snipers and assassins. Seriously! And why would someone need 5 of the same gun unless he was planning on giving matching guns to his gang? Weird.

LSanders
04-29-2010, 08:00 PM
In addition to the items already noted, I think it's hilarious that he paid for them and waited so long to pick them up that he racked up $70k in storage fees and interest!!!

Perhaps he's been too busy studying for his ever-growing collections of degrees in "aerospace engineering" ... :cool:

mph
04-29-2010, 09:34 PM
I agree about the silencers! The only people that need a silencer are snipers and assassins. Seriously! And why would someone need 5 of the same gun unless he was planning on giving matching guns to his gang? Weird.

If he was planning on hunting with a Beretta the silencer would have come in handy. It's hard to hit a deer with a single shot from a handgun! :rolleyes:

theAlaskanBear
04-29-2010, 10:59 PM
I agree about the silencers! The only people that need a silencer are snipers and assassins. Seriously! And why would someone need 5 of the same gun unless he was planning on giving matching guns to his gang? Weird.

Well sure, its stupid....but its no different than the 1000s of NRA members or gun collectors who order automatic weapons and other ridiculous amounts of guns. I know hunters who have 2-3 rifles and 10 handguns just because they can and its cool. Its just dumb men flashing their cash and cred, whether its Gilbert or some redneck hunter.

oldnavy
04-30-2010, 06:51 AM
Well sure, its stupid....but its no different than the 1000s of NRA members or gun collectors who order automatic weapons and other ridiculous amounts of guns. I know hunters who have 2-3 rifles and 10 handguns just because they can and its cool. Its just dumb men flashing their cash and cred, whether its Gilbert or some redneck hunter.

Why would you think legally collecting and enjoying guns is ridiculous? Hunting is a very popular in most areas of the country, and depending on the game being hunted different guns have different uses, so owning more than one gun is very practical to a hunter. I happen to enjoy target shooting and own a couple of different hand guns for that purpose because shooting different caliber guns poses different challenges and skills. I also carry a concealed weapon (completely legal). I found it necessary after being held up at gun point for drugs in my pharmacy by an idiot crack head that would have just as soon shot me as to look at me. BTW your use of the term redneck hunter is offensive, and honestly displays an alarmingly level of ignorance on your part.

Comparing Gilbert Arenas to NRA members is just plan "stupid" to use your choice of words and very judgmental. Gun ownership in this country is legal, and a protected right under our constitution, if you care about such things as the constitution.

Buying illegal guns, and carrying them into public places against the law is criminal and should be prosecuted as such whether by Gilbert Arenas or by Ted Nugget.

If you cannot see the difference in the two, then I would suggest you have a problem.

Besides, this is not the forum for anti-gun, anti-hunter activism. Please, take it somewhere else...

OK Mods, I am ready for my spanking....

BD80
04-30-2010, 07:14 AM
Why would you think legally collecting and enjoying guns is ridiculous? Hunting is a very popular in most areas of the country, and depending on the game being hunted different guns have different uses, so owning more than one gun is very practical to a hunter. I happen to enjoy target shooting and own a couple of different hand guns for that purpose because shooting different caliber guns poses different challenges and skills. I also carry a concealed weapon (completely legal). I found it necessary after being held up at gun point for drugs in my pharmacy by an idiot crack head that would have just as soon shot me as to look at me. BTW your use of the term redneck hunter is offensive, and honestly displays an alarmingly level of ignorance on your part. ....

We should be clear, you aren't defending Arenas' purchase of 5 identical handguns with silencers. Correct?

I raised the issue because Arenas' actions seemed to transcend the debate. To me the purchase demonstrated just how far removed Arenas is from my perception of normalcy.

moonpie23
04-30-2010, 07:51 AM
silencers are excellent for home defense.....if you miss without one, the perp knows what's up.......if you've got your Glock silenced, they just think the dog farted or whatever and you can squeeze off a couple more rounds...


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JohnGalt
04-30-2010, 07:55 AM
Well sure, its stupid....but its no different than the 1000s of NRA members or gun collectors who order automatic weapons and other ridiculous amounts of guns. I know hunters who have 2-3 rifles and 10 handguns just because they can and its cool. Its just dumb men flashing their cash and cred, whether its Gilbert or some redneck hunter.

This is, to put it mildly, offensive. I would point you at an excellent quote:

"It's better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."
- Mark Twain

allenmurray
04-30-2010, 09:30 AM
Well sure, its stupid....but its no different than the 1000s of NRA members or gun collectors who order automatic weapons


This is, to put it mildly, offensive.

Yeah, cuz you really need those automatic weapons to hunt deer. :rolleyes:

CLT Devil
04-30-2010, 09:38 AM
Well sure, its stupid....but its no different than the 1000s of NRA members or gun collectors who order automatic weapons and other ridiculous amounts of guns. I know hunters who have 2-3 rifles and 10 handguns just because they can and its cool. Its just dumb men flashing their cash and cred, whether its Gilbert or some redneck hunter.

Just who the heck do you think you are? Redneck Hunters? You obviously know nothing about hunting, or guns...your name is AlaskanBear...have you ever been to Alaska?

There are ignorant people on both sides of the gun debate, you exemplify anti-gun idiots out there. Automatic weapons are illegal...try knowing something before you comment.

On the silencers, yeah, I have no idea unless he has an indoor shooting range.

CLT Devil, Redneck Hunter

MCFinARL
04-30-2010, 10:07 AM
Buying illegal guns, and carrying them into public places against the law is criminal and should be prosecuted as such whether by Gilbert Arenas or by Ted Nugget.

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Agreed--but in fairness to poor old Gilbert, I don't think he ever purchased illegal guns. The guns became illegal when he took them out of the state in which they were legally registered to a jurisdiction in which they were not registered. (This was also what happened on his first gun offense, when, I think, he took guns registered in Arizona into California.) Despite the prosecution's efforts to make Arenas look like some sort of classic thug gang leader eager to shoot it out with anyone who fails to acknowledge him as the alpha dog, there's no actual evidence that that is the case. He collects guns, he's pretty far out of touch with reality, and he has displayed terrible judgment and irresponsibility, for which he has been appropriately punished.

DUKIECB
04-30-2010, 10:26 AM
Well sure, its stupid....but its no different than the 1000s of NRA members or gun collectors who order automatic weapons and other ridiculous amounts of guns. I know hunters who have 2-3 rifles and 10 handguns just because they can and its cool. Its just dumb men flashing their cash and cred, whether its Gilbert or some redneck hunter.

I too am offended by this. As someone else pointed out earlier, automatic weapons are illegal, semi-automatic weapons are a completely different thing. Mr. Arenas is in no way to be compared to responsible gun owners in any way. Even if he did purchase them legally, his actions afterwords were far from legal.

I personally rarely ever go hunting, however I own two rifles, a .20 gauge shot gun, a .357 revolver and two semi-automatic handguns one of which is currently in my right front pants pocket.

Now maybe that makes you think I'm some kind of right wing, redneck, NRA supporter but you would be wrong. I voted for Mr. Obama, would be offended to be called a redneck and am not even a member of the NRA! How do you like that?

I am a concealed carry permit holder because I want to be able to protect myself and my family if I had to. I have the revolver on my night stand for the same reason and the long guns each have a specific purpose when I do go hunting.

Please don't go spouting off about something in which you obviously know nothing about.

theAlaskanBear
04-30-2010, 10:43 AM
Just who the heck do you think you are? Redneck Hunters? You obviously know nothing about hunting, or guns...your name is AlaskanBear...have you ever been to Alaska?

There are ignorant people on both sides of the gun debate, you exemplify anti-gun idiots out there. Automatic weapons are illegal...try knowing something before you comment.

On the silencers, yeah, I have no idea unless he has an indoor shooting range.

CLT Devil, Redneck Hunter

First of all, my post was intentionally inflammatory, because there is a cultural double-standard about guns and gun ownership. A black man with guns is always viewed as inherently more dangerous than a white man with guns. The reason I used "redneck hunter" was because its an equivalent of "thug" mantra so often used against NBA players. Please note that this is not aimed at anyone on the board in particular.

Yes, I have been hunting, I grew up in the summer on farms in central Illinois. My uncles are avid hunters. I AM NOT ANTI-GUN. I don't see what Gilbert did as very different from what thousands of other gun collectors do all the time....

Right when this story broke, I remember a Braves player I think (or Marlins) coming out and saying that he had brought guns into the lockerroom before...nobody gives a damn. Thousands and thousands of automatic weapons and guns are bought WITHOUT regulation at gun shows every year, so this legal/illegal gun crap is directly undermined by the government.

What Gilbert did was STUPID, sure, but does anyone actually think he intended to hurt anyone? Everyone around Gilbert seems to think it was just a terrible attempt at trying to be funny. He is being made an example of, and by the way, no one would care if this happened in a baseball locker room with white players. The media would have never even picked it up.

There are thousands upon thousands of illegal guns in the US, and how gun laws are enforced depend on who you are and where you live. If you are black automatically your gun intentions are suspect. You all question why he needs five berettas with silencers...why does anyone need WWII machine guns, modern automatic rifles, etc etc which are also common in the gun community? How you know that those berettas aren't intended as gifts to other rich men with gun collections rather than "trying to arm his gang" like Yancem suggested?

If society really wants to start caring about gun violence, they can start caring about gun shows that contribute to the distribution of guns for blatantly illegal activities...like the drug war in Mexico.

But this isnt about that, its about Arenas and the demonization of him.

DukieInKansas
04-30-2010, 10:53 AM
Wasn't his most recent trouble due to having gun(s?) in a building where they were banned and then, it was determined, that the gun(s?) was(were?) unlicensed. The felony was due to the unlicensed gun(s?).

I would hope that anyone caught with an unlicensed gun, especially in a building where they are banned, would be brought up on charges.

theAlaskanBear
04-30-2010, 10:54 AM
I too am offended by this. As someone else pointed out earlier, automatic weapons are illegal, semi-automatic weapons are a completely different thing. Mr. Arenas is in no way to be compared to responsible gun owners in any way. Even if he did purchase them legally, his actions afterwords were far from legal.

I personally rarely ever go hunting, however I own two rifles, a .20 gauge shot gun, a .357 revolver and two semi-automatic handguns one of which is currently in my right front pants pocket.

Now maybe that makes you think I'm some kind of right wing, redneck, NRA supporter but you would be wrong. I voted for Mr. Obama, would be offended to be called a redneck and am not even a member of the NRA! How do you like that?

I am a concealed carry permit holder because I want to be able to protect myself and my family if I had to. I have the revolver on my night stand for the same reason and the long guns each have a specific purpose when I do go hunting.

Please don't go spouting off about something in which you obviously know nothing about.

I am not attacking you. Its your right to carry whatever gun you want, but big-freakin-deal about semi-auto vs auto. One you just have to squeeze, the other you have to pull the trigger each time, but it automatically reloads and cocks itself.

Why do you feel you have to carry around an automatic hand-gun all the time, are you doing something dangerous and illegal? Because thats what people assume when you are black and have a hand gun. You are a drug dealer or gang-banger!

Duvall
04-30-2010, 10:56 AM
Besides, this is not the forum for anti-gun, anti-hunter activism.

Well, yes. It's clearly the forum for talking about "giving matching guns to his gang."

Lord Ash
04-30-2010, 11:06 AM
Any chance everyone could just agree to ignore the gun comments and discuss the NBA player with all the silenced handguns?

theAlaskanBear
04-30-2010, 11:26 AM
Any chance everyone could just agree to ignore the gun comments and discuss the NBA player with all the silenced handguns?

How can you talk about Arenas and his guns without talking about gun culture and US gun laws? Well, I will give it a shot.

I wish people would stop assuming the worst of Gilbert. For all we know, those guns are meant as gifts to other gun collectors. I denounce the comments that assumes Gilbert is trying to arm a gang as offensive and racist. Have YOU seen Gilbert in a gang? Why should we assume anything other than Gilbert is a gun collector with poor knowledge of the interstate regulations? Otherwise, why wouldnt he buy them illegally off the black market and try to conceal them?

HaveFunExpectToWin
04-30-2010, 11:36 AM
Gilbert is also a known gamer. I imagine this could also play into his desire for unnecessary guns and accessories. He did have a gold Desert Eagle for goodness sake (from COD Modern Warfare).

I will say this none of his weapons are useful to maintain a well regulated militia.

flyingdutchdevil
04-30-2010, 12:01 PM
This is a Duke forum. Whenever someone criticizes Duke, we automatically assume that they are part of a gang ;)

DUKIECB
04-30-2010, 12:14 PM
Why do you feel you have to carry around an automatic hand-gun all the time, are you doing something dangerous and illegal? Because thats what people assume when you are black and have a hand gun. You are a drug dealer or gang-banger!

Well people can assume whatever they want. I carry it for protection and because it is my right to do so. I will admit that I will probably go my entire life and never have a need to actually pull a gun on someone in self defense. However, should that moment come I will be prepared to protect myself and my family.

And no I'm not doing anything dangerous or illegal and I'm not a drug dealer or a gang banger!:D

CEF1959
04-30-2010, 12:17 PM
Lots of nice people own guns.

Lots of nice people own many guns.

Lots of nice people collect guns and take pride in having multiple guns of the same type. The same way that someone might own 5 cases of 1982 Chateau Petrus, rather than just one, or 5 Michael Jordan Rookie cards, rather than just one.

Lots of nice people collect guns and take pride in having custom guns.

Some nice people own silencers. For a lot of people (maybe not you) it's kind of cool, even if it's just in a fantasy sort of way. But there are federal restrictions on who can own them.

I'm not convinced Gilbert Arenas is a nice guy. He's shown some not so nice tendencies. But who am I to judge?

I suspect Gilbert Arenas didn't know that he couldn't take possession of the silencers without EXTENSIVE paperwork and background checks that he might not be able to complete successfully.

So he spent an insane amount of money buying guns with silencers he couldn't legally own (as it turned out). Hence the storage charges. Bummer for him. Expensive mistake.

Reisen
04-30-2010, 12:29 PM
I have to say, this is a non-story.

First, he's not in any criminal trouble over this gun purchase, just involved in what looks like pretty petty civil litigation. $70k in storage fees for 5 things that together could fit in a suitcase?

Second, the guy is a gun collector. We all know that. No one's saying he was caught with five silenced pistols illegally concealed while busted for DUI.

While I agree that the redneck hunter and anti-NRA stuff was stupid, I do think he's being judged differently, than, say, Peyton Manning would be in this situation.

This part of his ongoing gun issues is a non-story.

CLT Devil
04-30-2010, 02:26 PM
I am not attacking you. Its your right to carry whatever gun you want, but big-freakin-deal about semi-auto vs auto. One you just have to squeeze, the other you have to pull the trigger each time, but it automatically reloads and cocks itself.

Why do you feel you have to carry around an automatic hand-gun all the time, are you doing something dangerous and illegal? Because thats what people assume when you are black and have a hand gun. You are a drug dealer or gang-banger!

Not to go off topic again...but...there is a HUGE HUGE difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic gun. You say you grew up around guns, but if you really did (which I highly doubt) then you would know the difference. Same goes with silencers. You can't just buy silencers or automatic weapons, not at gun shows, gun shops, not anywhere. That is a fact. Look at what your "thug" Gilbert had to go through just to attempt to get a silencer.

Personally, I carry a gun on me at most times. I work in real estate and lots of times I have to let people know that since they are not making their payments on their homes they can't live there anymore...and yes, I have had a gun pointed at my head and at that moment not only did I not want to be in that situation ever again, but I told myself that I would at least have the option of defending myself if that were to appen again. And AlaskanBear I own many guns; a .380 I cary for protection, a .357 in my bedside table in case someone trys to rob me, a .38 for my wife for the same reason, a 12 Guage Shotgun for hunting, a 280 High Powered Rifle for big game hunting and lastly a .22 for my neices and nephews to learn how to shoot. I graduated from Duke and realize that a lot of people out there don't get the whole gun thing, just the same wat I don't get why people watch television shows like 'The Real Housewives of...'

Now, back on track....

Do I bring guns into places where they are not allowed, like Gilbert did? Absolutely not. That is what a responsible gun owner does, and hence what Gilbert did (whether yellow, red, white or brown) was not only illegal but extremely stupid. I'd like you to back up your assertion that he was being treated differently because he was black. What a cop out AlaskaBear! Shameless how you throw race around.:mad:

I'm pretty sure if any pro sports player, including your example of Peyton Manning, pulled out a few guns on Jeff Saturday and told him to pick one the repercussions would be much higher than Gilbert, who has a history of being an idiot. To bring race into this discounts your argument...when you realized you said something to be intentionally inflammatory and people didn't take it very well (rightly so) you resorted to "well if he was white it would be different.." What a load of junk. Why can't people just be dumb and do dumb things, as opposed to being black and doing a dumb thing and thus getting different treatment?

I see the worst of society on a daily basis, and must tell you that it doesn't matter what color you are...if you break the law you pay the price. If anything a big time NBA player is less likely to serve as long of a sentence because he can afford the best possible legal representation. I know you'll say he's being made an example of AlaskanBear but personally I'd rather be in Gilbert's shoes that in a white man's who brought guns into his job at the textile mill and did the same thing.

Gilbert Arenas is an idiot, regardless of race, and did something that put a lot of people in harm's way and could have ended up killing someone. He should pay the price just like Plaxico, whose stray bullet could have easily killed someone. Being an athlete only means they get more attention.

El_Diablo
04-30-2010, 02:32 PM
it doesn't matter what color you are...if you break the law you pay the price.

In theory, at least.

SilkyJ
04-30-2010, 02:45 PM
Its just dumb men flashing their cash and cred, whether its Gilbert or some redneck hunter.

Its been beaten to death, but Ursus Alaskan: none of your retorts commented on the fact you generalized people who own guns as rednecks. I was born in NorCal, grew up in Philly, went to a prep school, and own 2 guns. I don't "flash" them anywhere and I've never been called a redneck in my life.

Just take your medicine and apologize.



Lots of nice people collect guns and take pride in having multiple guns of the same type. The same way that someone might own 5 cases of 1982 Chateau Petrus, rather than just one, or 5 Michael Jordan Rookie cards, rather than just one.


Not quite with the wine reference. You own 5 cases so you can enjoy the wine several times and see it evolve over time.

You aren't going to "run out" of the gun and if you have 5 of the same one, they will shoot just about the same.

Now if you had some serious coordination with your fingers and toes maybe you could shoot all 5 at once... :rolleyes:

oldnavy
04-30-2010, 03:01 PM
We should be clear, you aren't defending Arenas' purchase of 5 identical handguns with silencers. Correct?

I raised the issue because Arenas' actions seemed to transcend the debate. To me the purchase demonstrated just how far removed Arenas is from my perception of normalcy.

Tricky question. I would have to say that if, and this is a tremendous IF the purchase was legal, made with the appropriate permits and licensing, then yes I would defend his right, your right, or anyone's right to buy 5 handguns. I spent over 20 years in the military doing just that and firmly believe in the Constitutional right to bear arms.

But let's be reasonable here, there is no legitimate civilian use for a silencer, and I am not ever sure they are legal. And if they are legal, then my opinion is that they should not be. So, NO I am not defending Gilbert Arenas in this case.

The issue I have is with others imposing their biases and opinions on others... “you own a couple of guns, then you are a redneck, criminal, or just someone with an inferiority complex trying to make up for feelings of inadequacy”. THAT type of thinking is stupid.

The comments made by AlaskanBear express the narrow-mindedness that scares the heck out of me. What business is it of his if I want to own 200 hand guns? His comments about automatic weapons demonstrate his basic lack of understanding on the issue since fully automatic weapons are illegal for civilians to own. I suggest that if he knows someone with fully automatic weapons he report them to the appropriate authorities.

Duvall
04-30-2010, 03:07 PM
What business is it of his if I want to own 200 hand guns?

What business is it of ours if someone wants to own five silencers?

(Not Arenas - he's shown that he's too much of a fool to handle the responsibilities of gun ownership. But in the abstract, the difference isn't obvious.)

moonpie23
04-30-2010, 03:12 PM
I am a concealed carry permit holder because I want to be able to protect myself and my family if I had to. I have the revolver on my night stand for the same reason

i sure hope your "family" doesn't include kids....

oldnavy
04-30-2010, 03:12 PM
First of all, my post was intentionally inflammatory, because there is a cultural double-standard about guns and gun ownership. A black man with guns is always viewed as inherently more dangerous than a white man with guns. The reason I used "redneck hunter" was because its an equivalent of "thug" mantra so often used against NBA players. Please note that this is not aimed at anyone on the board in particular.

Yes, I have been hunting, I grew up in the summer on farms in central Illinois. My uncles are avid hunters. I AM NOT ANTI-GUN. I don't see what Gilbert did as very different from what thousands of other gun collectors do all the time....

Right when this story broke, I remember a Braves player I think (or Marlins) coming out and saying that he had brought guns into the lockerroom before...nobody gives a damn. Thousands and thousands of automatic weapons and guns are bought WITHOUT regulation at gun shows every year, so this legal/illegal gun crap is directly undermined by the government.

What Gilbert did was STUPID, sure, but does anyone actually think he intended to hurt anyone? Everyone around Gilbert seems to think it was just a terrible attempt at trying to be funny. He is being made an example of, and by the way, no one would care if this happened in a baseball locker room with white players. The media would have never even picked it up.

There are thousands upon thousands of illegal guns in the US, and how gun laws are enforced depend on who you are and where you live. If you are black automatically your gun intentions are suspect. You all question why he needs five berettas with silencers...why does anyone need WWII machine guns, modern automatic rifles, etc etc which are also common in the gun community? How you know that those berettas aren't intended as gifts to other rich men with gun collections rather than "trying to arm his gang" like Yancem suggested?

If society really wants to start caring about gun violence, they can start caring about gun shows that contribute to the distribution of guns for blatantly illegal activities...like the drug war in Mexico.

But this isnt about that, its about Arenas and the demonization of him.

Seriously? You are now trying to spin your ridiculous statements into a racial issue? Poor Gilbert, had he only been white no one would have cared....
is that it? Funny how the arguements always tend to track that way...

Wow!

Duke4Ever32
04-30-2010, 03:13 PM
“you own a couple of guns, then you are a redneck, criminal, or just someone with an inferiority complex trying to make up for feelings of inadequacy”.

Certainly this doesn't describe all gun owners, but certainly it does describe some gun owners.

oldnavy
04-30-2010, 03:26 PM
Certainly this doesn't describe all gun owners, but certainly it does describe some gun owners.

So does, "you drive a car" what is your point???

Duke4Ever32
04-30-2010, 03:40 PM
So does, "you drive a car" what is your point???

That AlaskaBear's statements aren't inaccurate as applied to some individuals. It's not that the shoe doesn't fit, it just doesn't fit everyone. There is some truth there, just not as a general across-the-board proposition. I'm not willing to dismiss his statement as being completely invalid as quickly as others are.

oldnavy
04-30-2010, 03:44 PM
What business is it of ours if someone wants to own five silencers?

(Not Arenas - he's shown that he's too much of a fool to handle the responsibilities of gun ownership. But in the abstract, the difference isn't obvious.)

The distinction I make is that it is hard to make a legitimate argument for having a silencer. Although the comment about using one to miss an intruder in your house has given me pause... Anyway, back to the point, IF it is legal, and I am not sure if it is or isn't, then I could care less if someone owned 200 silencers...

This whole issue began with AlaskanBear making a ridiculously narrow-minded, and dumb comment that was both offensive and bigoted. Now he has made an even more ridiculous attempt to make this a race issue. I had just as soon forget the whole mess...

weezie
04-30-2010, 03:47 PM
I'm not convinced Gilbert Arenas is a nice guy. He's shown some not so nice tendencies. But who am I to judge?


"Dopes" come in all colors, creeds and sizes. Gilbert has shown himself to be a huge dope. A law-breaking dope. I used to think he was fairly ok, had some rough breaks as a kid but now I think he's not only an idiot, but a mental mess.
I'm tired of Gil. Time for Leonsis to dump his sorry keister, clean house at Verizon Center, ditch those horrible unis, get rid of the obnoxious ear bleed music, hire some ushers who aren't obsessed with their mini-power domains, get some decent food in the concessions and try to mend a shattered franchise.
Call me Ted! I can help you with the Caps, too. :cool:

DUKIECB
04-30-2010, 03:49 PM
i sure hope your "family" doesn't include kids....

Well it does include one kid. The revolver on my nightstand stays in a compact safe with a finger pad entry system that only my wife and I know the combination to. I understand owning firearms comes with a great responsibility.

BD80
04-30-2010, 03:51 PM
Tricky question. I would have to say that if, and this is a tremendous IF the purchase was legal, made with the appropriate permits and licensing, then yes I would defend his right, your right, or anyone's right to buy 5 handguns. I spent over 20 years in the military doing just that and firmly believe in the Constitutional right to bear arms.

But let's be reasonable here, there is no legitimate civilian use for a silencer, and I am not ever sure they are legal. And if they are legal, then my opinion is that they should not be. So, NO I am not defending Gilbert Arenas in this case. ...

We are in complete agreement. It is the silencers that puts it way over the top for me. The five of a kind takes it out of the realm of "collectibles."

What is the protocol for obtaining silencers and what justification must be shown? I liked the "indoor firing range" justification. :)

weezie
04-30-2010, 03:53 PM
Didn't Gil have a bullet proof vest in his possession?

oldnavy
04-30-2010, 03:55 PM
That AlaskaBear's statements aren't inaccurate as applied to some individuals. It's not that the shoe doesn't fit, it just doesn't fit everyone. There is some truth there, just not as a general across-the-board proposition. I'm not willing to dismiss his statement as being completely invalid as quickly as others are.

I am not sure I am following your logic. Are you defending broad sweeping bigoted statements, because that they may actually define certain people who fit those criteria? For example, you would be OK with all (insert race) are lazy, because some (insert race) are in fact lazy?

Have I landed on a different planet here or something???

El_Diablo
04-30-2010, 04:01 PM
I am not sure I am following your logic. Are you defending broad sweeping bigoted statements, because that they may actually define certain people who fit those criteria? For example, you would be OK with all (insert race) are lazy, because some (insert race) are in fact lazy?

Have I landed on a different planet here or something???

Just go back and read post #5...the statement was not as broad and sweeping as the knee-jerk reactions have made it out to be.

Jarhead
04-30-2010, 04:04 PM
We are in complete agreement. It is the silencers that puts it way over the top for me. The five of a kind takes it out of the realm of "collectibles."

What is the protocol for obtaining silencers and what justification must be shown? I liked the "indoor firing range" justification. :)

I'v never owned one, or used one, but I understand that accuracy suffers with a silencer, so why bother with the range?

Duke4Ever32
04-30-2010, 04:11 PM
Just go back and read post #5...the statement was not as broad and sweeping as the knee-jerk reactions have made it out to be.

Exactly. And that's my point. There are idiots who carry guns just to show them off and be macho (see Arenas, Gilbert) and also redneck gun-owners, and thus AlaskaBear's characterization in this regard in post #5 isn't completely illegitimate and invalid as the hue and cry that followed it would suggest.

Scorp4me
04-30-2010, 04:23 PM
I own guns and most people don't even know it. Like someone said I hope I never have to use one.

But trying to equate someone who brings guns into an arena and is now in trouble for multiple gun violations with NRA members or hunters is just plain silly.

But dragging the race card into the discussion, now that was unexpected:rolleyes:

-jk
04-30-2010, 04:30 PM
Sigh. We're done here, folks. This is why we closed the policy board.

-jk