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JasonEvans
05-17-2007, 08:33 AM
Still thinking this one through so my thoughts will be brief... for now ;)

I think we all knew this would be a "set-up" episode to get us to the season finale and it worked nicely in that regard. Still, I really liked the emotional resonance of Charlie on what he thought was his last day on Earth (and I think it still will be). I know a lot of Lost fans are not fans of his character -- they have really put Charlie through the ringer over the years including the nearly disasterous turn to the "dark side" when he was flirting with heroin addiction again and helped kidnap Sun. Still, I found myself tearing up toward the end when he was on the boat with Desmond. I loved the way the flashback worked, showing us the 5 best moments in Charlie's life. I especially enjoyed that they were not huge, Earth-shattering moments, but were sometimes small things like learning to swim or a moment of bravery to help out a stranger. To me, that rang true. It was so honest. I'm gonna miss Charlie a little bit when he is gone (if he is gone).

"Kick-!#%^!" Jack is back and I like it. I am also really enjoying the tension between him and Sayid. The "blow up the camp" idea is pretty good but I am somewhat confused by where the war with the Others goes after this. Does Jack think that blowing up about a dozen of the Others will make the attacks stop or mean that the Others will be even more ruthless? I am not sure this think has been fully thought through. And is Danille going to start living with the Lostaways now? She is certainly taking a side in a fight she has not bothered with until now.

Well, more later... gotta run now.

-Jason "not as action packed as recent episodes, but still quality writing and certainly great acting" Evans

BuschDevil
05-17-2007, 08:43 AM
As always, I enjoyed the episode. A couple questions I am pondering this morning:

Are the women in the underwater hatch ("looking glass"?) 'others', or something else? Dharma, perhaps? 'Others' trapped there by the loss of the sub?

Who does not survive next week? The preview had a piece with Ben saying "kill them" with Sayid and friends tied up in the background... I hope Sayid survives, he is one of my favorite characters (& actors).

What is the status of Locke, and will we see him at all next week? I imagine it will be the last few seconds of the finale, perhaps him laying in the mass grave looking dead, then his eyes snap open.

What are your thoughts?

BuschDevil
05-17-2007, 08:50 AM
Whoops!

Started earlier... Got interupted by a phone call... submitted... oh, well...

...Somebody please move me to Jason's thread. Thanks!

mkirsh
05-17-2007, 09:12 AM
I'm not the world's biggest Charlie fan and have in the past wanted Desmond to just let fate have its way with him, but last night's episode made me sad to see Charlie go (if he does). I guess the writing, storytelling, and acting is really just that good that they could redeem him in 1 our (or I'm just a pushover).

Not sure what to make of the Looking Glass having people in it. I assume that Desmond didn't tell Charlie the whole truth about his vision, so not sure what he's really up to. Also, when Juliet said it was flooded, not sure if she is lying, or Ben lied to her, either are possible. I still don't trust her, she seems to be using Ben's tactic of "when they catch you in a lie fess up, but not to the whole truth."

Also, question for next week, but since it is based on "scenes from the next" I'll attept to white it out: Looks like Jack leads the group right to Ben - is Jack selling out his whole group as part of a deal with Ben to get off the island, or is there another spy (Juliet, Carl, other?) that Ben has who tells him in advance where they are going? Going to be very interesting, but my bet is Jack sells them out, and the cliffhanger is whether Jack is a good guy or not.

johnb
05-17-2007, 09:42 AM
I haven't decided whether I like mini-spoilers, leaks, and fantasied possibilities, but...

the tipoffs have led me to be skeptical that Charlie is going to die next week--seems too obvious for a show that likes to surprise.

"Rattlesnake in the mailbox" implies a (potential) killer at home. Maybe Locke is that person, but he has some other fish to fry at the moment, and he couldn't even kill his father. Sawyer is a nondevious con man, and Jack is planning to kill a bunch of them. Hurley did have his con of Sawyer, and he did set off a flare that presumably attracted Mikhail, and he did mention the phone to Mikhail, and he too was caught by the Others and so could have been turned, but he just seems too obtuse to be a pivot in the show. Both Sun and Jin can keep secrets, and Sun would be particularly likely to do something strange to protect her pregnancy, but those are extreme longshots. But... Who doesn't want to get rescued? Who had a little quiet time with Ben that has yet to be revealed? Who among the Losties is the only pre-island killer who does not regret his/her actions? When the marshall told Jack not to trust someone, who was it? When s/he heard about the phone, who turned immediately to the people who everyone presumed were in the employ of the Others? Who seems to have decided to get pregnant since returning from the Others? I think s/he's the rattlesnake.

The advanced cell phone could reflect a well-funded trip, but why make a big deal of it unless it's a tip off that time doesn't advance on the island--that would explain why there might be some still-alive pirates on the island, and it might also explain why it has taken us several years to get through 6 weeks of the show. If I were sending a commando raid to an island, I'm not sure I would necessarily pick a hot multi-lingual chick who was reading catch 22 --and why haven't they tried to rescue her as yet -- but myabe they need a hot replacement for the snake...

I agree about Charlie's top 5 Very sweet. Did Charlie save the woman who Sayid tortured? I didn't really recognize her, but surely they wouldnt' put in a random ME woman when they could make it an incredible coincidence.

I'm hoping that Sayid doesn't get killed--nobody does torture like he does torture.

The underwater station looked pretty cool. If they are dharma, they might have survived since they had their own air supply. But if they know that their dharma buddies are dead, who would still be dropping off the candy bars? Though maybe they too are stuck doing some trivial task over and over and don't have direct contact with anything outside the bubble. And from a distanec, they also look hot.

Overall, 815 and the island boast a high ratio of beauty:beasts. Almost makes me think it's not real.

My brain hurts.

feldspar
05-17-2007, 09:46 AM
I'm almost positive, based on nothing but watching the show and conversing with fellow LOST fans, that the snake in the mailbox is that people - I don't know who or how many - are going to be rescued next week. LOST is going to change from a show about stranded Losties to a show about a strange island that's hard to find, and some people who used to be deserted on it. This will likely turn off a small number of viewers, but I think it will open up a bunch of interesting story lines.

Jfrosh
05-17-2007, 10:02 AM
[QUOTE=BuschDevil;21360]
Are the women in the underwater hatch ("looking glass"?) 'others', or something else? Dharma, perhaps? 'Others' trapped there by the loss of the sub?
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My first thought was that one of them was Annie (young Ben's girlfriend). The ages don't exactly fit, but as we have seen, that doesn't always matter on this island. That could change Ben's attitude if he finds out she is alive.

I actually started to like Charlie this episode, then started to dislike him again when it looked like Desmond was going to take his place. I am firmly back in the liking him camp after he manned up and hit Desmond with the oar.

Jack is back as Jason said. Although it is clear he doesn't have a long term plan for what to do after he blows up some others.

Dukerati
05-17-2007, 10:37 AM
I agree about Charlie's top 5 Very sweet. Did Charlie save the woman who Sayid tortured? I didn't really recognize her, but surely they wouldnt' put in a random ME woman when they could make it an incredible coincidence.


Yes, the woman Charlie saved was Sayid's girl. I thought the purse scene was a little contrived. I mean, three people walk by and watch a guy try to steal someone's purse? The assailant did not seem to be trying very hard for the purse either (even with all these people walking by)... I am probably looking too much into it but it's Lost's fault for making their show so complex:)

Can't wait for next week!

accfanfrom1970
05-17-2007, 11:08 AM
Jason, or others:

Any insight into the show tonight (Thursday) with the producers? Anything new?

BuschDevil
05-17-2007, 11:15 AM
Could the assailant have been someone of import as well?

JasonEvans
05-17-2007, 12:17 PM
Jason, or others:

Any insight into the show tonight (Thursday) with the producers? Anything new?

It is my understanding that it will have some new insight-- not a ton-- but will mostly be catchup for folks who missed stuff. I plan to TIVO it and check it out when I have a chance this weekend. I suspect there will be a nugget or two worth chewing upon and thinking about. Ther real thing to watch for will be what stuff they choose to highlight from the past. They may pick some event/scenes that seemed innocent enough at the time but will turn out to be a big deal.

Like when the power cable suddenly became a crucial element last night. The thing first came up in season one and now we suddenly find out it leads to someplace really important!! How cool is that?!

-Jason "Lost is so well planned... stunning" Evans

JasonEvans
05-17-2007, 05:15 PM
I was looking through some screencaps of last night's show and saw this:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9448/subhatchve2.jpg

The Looking Glass hatch has a place where a sub can dock. Hmmmm.

I am betting that people are somehow brought to the island "through the looking glass" and then put on the sub so they will not realize the strange way they were brought to the island.

-Jason "we probably won't find this out for a while-- so remember where you heard it first ;) " Evans

JasonEvans
05-17-2007, 05:16 PM
By the way, that image of the Looking Glass comes from Sayid's plans/schematic for the hatch. It was not made up by someone. That is part of a real image from the show.

-Jason

Pacer
05-17-2007, 07:36 PM
That theory makes sense when you consider "the looking glass" is an Alice in Wonderland reference and she is transported through "the looking glass" to another world... Also, check out the sign for the looking glass.... follow the white rabbit!

Exiled_Devil
05-17-2007, 10:39 PM
It is my understanding that it will have some new insight-- not a ton-- but will mostly be catchup for folks who missed stuff. I plan to TIVO it and check it out when I have a chance this weekend. I suspect there will be a nugget or two worth chewing upon and thinking about. Ther real thing to watch for will be what stuff they choose to highlight from the past. They may pick some event/scenes that seemed innocent enough at the time but will turn out to be a big deal.

Like when the power cable suddenly became a crucial element last night. The thing first came up in season one and now we suddenly find out it leads to someplace really important!! How cool is that?!

-Jason "Lost is so well planned... stunning" Evans

I took these notes while watching the Thursday update show:
Thoughts from the lost specialon Thursday:


Date of the crash was the same on both the island and on 815 – debunking time theories?

The others don't want to be found? Directors said so.

The smoke monster manifests the visions – dead Jack dad, Walt, Kate's horse (Mr Eko's brother??)

Outside world – “snow someplace?”

Polar bears are real and wandering free

crossing paths – linkage of characters...is it for a reason? (It better be!)

Magic box is a metaphor – the whole island is a magic box

Two likely significant quotes:
“that's never going to happen – if they get off the island, the show would end”

“they [the losties} are alive, somewhere in the space-time continuum”

Exiled

gus
05-18-2007, 01:20 AM
I'm almost positive, based on nothing but watching the show and conversing with fellow LOST fans, that the snake in the mailbox is that people - I don't know who or how many - are going to be rescued next week. LOST is going to change from a show about stranded Losties to a show about a strange island that's hard to find, and some people who used to be deserted on it. This will likely turn off a small number of viewers, but I think it will open up a bunch of interesting story lines.

Lost- the AfterMASH?

JasonEvans
05-18-2007, 08:26 AM
I took these notes while watching the Thursday update show:
Thoughts from the lost special on Thursday:


Date of the crash was the same on both the island and on 815 – debunking time theories?

The others don't want to be found? Directors said so.

The smoke monster manifests the visions – dead Jack dad, Walt, Kate's horse (Mr Eko's brother??)

Outside world – “snow someplace?”

Polar bears are real and wandering free

crossing paths – linkage of characters...is it for a reason? (It better be!)

Magic box is a metaphor – the whole island is a magic box

Two likely significant quotes:
“that's never going to happen – if they get off the island, the show would end”

“they [the losties} are alive, somewhere in the space-time continuum”

Exiled

Can you elaborate a bit more. My TIVO had a hizzy fit because Grey's went long and ER was going at the same time or something like that. In any event, I somehow missed the special and I am not happy!!

Specifically, what did they say about the Smoke monster, the outside world, and the Others not wanting to leave. Was there more detail than what you already gave?

-Jason "I need my Lost fix!!!" Evans

dukeblueyes
05-18-2007, 09:21 AM
Um, is it just me, or does it not seem likely that Charlie could dive down 70m with a couple of rocks and one breath?

Windsor
05-18-2007, 10:19 AM
Can you elaborate a bit more. My TIVO had a hizzy fit because Grey's went long and ER was going at the same time or something like that. In any event, I somehow missed the special and I am not happy!!

Specifically, what did they say about the Smoke monster, the outside world, and the Others not wanting to leave. Was there more detail than what you already gave?

-Jason "I need my Lost fix!!!" Evans

Fear not...it looks like the very same thing is running next week before the 2 hour season finale. It's 15 minutes longer, but my guide reads identically so all is not (wait for it....) Lost!

JasonEvans
05-18-2007, 11:05 AM
Um, is it just me, or does it not seem likely that Charlie could dive down 70m with a couple of rocks and one breath?

I thought the same thing. The show has such great attention to detail, I am surprised they goofed on this one. I am fairly sure that without proper training, it is virtually impossible for someone to dive to more than about 30 meters without proper training.

-Jason "maybe depths are different on the island, the same way time is different :D " Evans

Exiled_Devil
05-18-2007, 12:16 PM
I thought the same thing. The show has such great attention to detail, I am surprised they goofed on this one. I am fairly sure that without proper training, it is virtually impossible for someone to dive to more than about 30 meters without proper training.

-Jason "maybe depths are different on the island, the same way time is different :D " Evans

I did some free diving in my younger days, and can say that the first issue is that depth is very deceiving when you dive. Even compared to scuba - something about looking down onto something from the surface makes it all look very distant. From my experience, the hatch looked about 10m-15m down, which is still deep. It is amazing how far that sees when you are low on oxygen, and the water, somehow, makes it look even farther. However, that distance is doable for a novice. I was diving that deep without a 'weight belt' on my first few tries. I wasn't staying down there for more than 1-2 seconds, but I was keeping up with my buddy who was experienced (of course, he stayed down for another 30 seconds)

In short, I found the dive plausible. And his reaction to finding air in the hatch also plausible.

Exiled

Exiled_Devil
05-18-2007, 12:22 PM
Can you elaborate a bit more. My TIVO had a hizzy fit because Grey's went long and ER was going at the same time or something like that. In any event, I somehow missed the special and I am not happy!!

Specifically, what did they say about the Smoke monster, the outside world, and the Others not wanting to leave. Was there more detail than what you already gave?

-Jason "I need my Lost fix!!!" Evans

Smoke monster - they sad that the smoke monster could evidently read memories and substantiate them in visions. they mentioned Kate's horse, Jack's dad and the vision of Walt. Conspicuously not mentioned: Ben's mom and Eko's brother

Other's not wanting to leave - they said "the Others don't want to be found" which I interpreted as 'they don't want to leave the island', but could be 'they don't want the Losties to find them'

They mentioned the listening station as the first sign of the outside world, and described it as being "someplace with snow" which was dodgy - they left the direct location out of the conversation on purpose, IMO.

I have spent time since last night thinking about the omissions of the show. the most glaring? Kate's dinner on the beach with Ben.


Exiled

dukeblueyes
05-18-2007, 01:15 PM
I did some free diving in my younger days, and can say that the first issue is that depth is very deceiving when you dive. Even compared to scuba - something about looking down onto something from the surface makes it all look very distant. From my experience, the hatch looked about 10m-15m down, which is still deep. It is amazing how far that sees when you are low on oxygen, and the water, somehow, makes it look even farther. However, that distance is doable for a novice. I was diving that deep without a 'weight belt' on my first few tries. I wasn't staying down there for more than 1-2 seconds, but I was keeping up with my buddy who was experienced (of course, he stayed down for another 30 seconds)

In short, I found the dive plausible. And his reaction to finding air in the hatch also plausible.

Exiled

Really?! 70 meters (230 feet!) in one breath after he barely dives without any flippers?! I'm still having a hard time with this. Maybe it's just my inability to estimate distances but that is a bit much.
Also, I think Desmond SHOULD have gone... considering he's the one running stadiums and Charlie's a junkie hobbit.

jkidd31
05-18-2007, 02:27 PM
I thought the same thing. The show has such great attention to detail, I am surprised they goofed on this one. I am fairly sure that without proper training, it is virtually impossible for someone to dive to more than about 30 meters without proper training.

-Jason "maybe depths are different on the island, the same way time is different :D " Evans

High Tide/Low Tide? Global warming causing the change in depth, Volcanic activity? I doubt they would miss something like that.

alteran
05-18-2007, 04:43 PM
I thought the same thing. The show has such great attention to detail, I am surprised they goofed on this one. I am fairly sure that without proper training, it is virtually impossible for someone to dive to more than about 30 meters without proper training.

-Jason "maybe depths are different on the island, the same way time is different :D " Evans


High Tide/Low Tide? Global warming causing the change in depth, Volcanic activity? I doubt they would miss something like that.

We may never know the answer to this one. Like we may never know the answer to, "why don't they jut cut the line and see if the jamming stops before plunging to certain death?" or, "how come Charlie can see fine detail underwater without goggles?" ;-)

It's hard to think of a perfect explanation for the following discrepancies:

1) The distance shown on the "schematic" was 70 meters.
2) The distance shown on TV was way less than half of that.

Udaman
05-20-2007, 01:41 PM
Boy this season has redeemed itself, and how. No doubt in my mind that this is the best show on TV. Can't believe we'll have to wait until January to watch it again (that's an entire NFL season and 1/2 a baseball season). Some random thoughts:

1) Though Ben certainly comes across as being evil...that is still not set in stone. We don't know what the Dharma group was really all about? We don't know what happened to Annie. What we do know is that Ben and birthdays are not a great mix.

2) I'm more confused than ever about what the island is all about? How can dead people be seen? What really happened to Flight 815? How is all of this happening?

3) Agree that Richard's backstory will play out and be important.

4) The writers and producers of this have done a pretty damn good job with keeping things interesting and tying things together (not perfect - but pretty good). I also really enjoy some of the shout outs they do to other movies or stories (the Welcome to Fantasy Island with the leighs I particularly liked). Also, they put in characters just to mess with us (Locke's dad saying that this must be Hell). I hope now that they know there is an ending - they can sit down this summer and pretty much map everything out, if they haven't already.

As for next week's finale...my predictions are that Juliet is still playing them (remember the line from Ben earlier, "No matter what she tells you, she will always be one of us."), and there will definitely be a Locke sighting (likely the last cliffhanger scene). As much as I can't believe I'm about to type this - I hope Charlie survies - but I have a feeling he won't.

Exiled_Devil
05-20-2007, 02:23 PM
We may never know the answer to this one. Like we may never know the answer to, "why don't they jut cut the line and see if the jamming stops before plunging to certain death?" or, "how come Charlie can see fine detail underwater without goggles?" ;-)

It's hard to think of a perfect explanation for the following discrepancies:

1) The distance shown on the "schematic" was 70 meters.
2) The distance shown on TV was way less than half of that.

I didn't see the schematics - I just judged from what I saw.

I agree - 70m dive is insane for a novice without any gear.

Exiled

gus
05-21-2007, 02:21 AM
I didn't see the schematics - I just judged from what I saw.

I agree - 70m dive is insane for a novice without any gear.

Exiled

Novice? He was the junior swim champion of northern england!

johnb
05-21-2007, 10:24 AM
Agreed--no way he could dive 70 meters.

The emblem on the schematics was slightly different than on the top of the looking glass (one had a watch set to 8:15, and the blck/white seemed inverted), and so it's possible that there are two of these docking stations.

That seems a stretch, so maybe they hadn't planned for anyone to have to swim it when they drew the schematics (hence the last-minute inclusion of rocks), or maybe the thing has legs that telescope up or down, or maybe it has come loose from its moorings and is floating close to the surface...