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JasonEvans
11-15-2009, 05:55 PM
I know he is 6-10 with a listed wingspan of 7-4, but this kid looks like he could tie his shoes while standing straight up. He looks like a cartoon of an alien with super-long arms or something.

http://www.alarmingproducts.com/pics/greyalien.jpg

--Jason "so far, he's more hype than reality in games... but with that wingspan, I can see why everyone says he's a lottery lock for next year's NBA draft" Evans

FireOgilvie
11-15-2009, 05:59 PM
I, for one, am totally shocked at the lack of development (physically and basketball-wise) he's had between high school and this year. It's like he didn't lift a single weight or basketball in the off-season. I'm also surprised at how little he's been playing, considering he has way more upside than a lot of UNC's perimeter players.

Oh, and I'd also like to add that UNC looks TERRIBLE against Valpo.

Newton_14
11-15-2009, 06:01 PM
I know he is 6-10 with a listed wingspan of 7-4, but this kid looks like he could tie his shoes while standing straight up. He looks like a cartoon of an alien with super-long arms or something.

http://www.alarmingproducts.com/pics/greyalien.jpg

--Jason "so far, he's more hype than reality in games... but with that wingspan, I can see why everyone says he's a lottery lock for next year's NBA draft" Evans

He has no offensive skill's, zilch, notta, none. Also he looks like he suffers a bit from the same disease McBob has, in that he can't decide if he is left-handed or right-handed. He seems to drift from one to the other. He shot his free throws right-handed and the stroke looked pretty bad.

He is a long way from being a dominate college player..

JaMarcus Russell
11-15-2009, 06:04 PM
Although the alien was only a 2-star recruit and Henson was a top 10 guy, at least the alien has some semblance of an offensive game.

El_Diablo
11-15-2009, 06:49 PM
He's gonna have to improve a lot from 4ppg/2rpg to go in the lottery...

DU82
11-15-2009, 10:01 PM
Back in the day when we all had to walk five miles uphill in the snow to get to Cameron, we used to call Sam Perkins "Plastic Man". For one matchup against them, one student came with "extensions" for arms, along with Sam's jersey.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GVUpFsG-_aA/SQndBWPQzsI/AAAAAAAAGRE/bHVwTGLPScg/s400/Brave+and+bold+plastic+man.jpg

JasonEvans
11-15-2009, 10:20 PM
I'm no expert with photoshop, but someone needs to take that alien photo and put Henson's face on it. Print that sucker out and hold it up in Cameron when the kid comes to visit.

Good times.

--Jason "Henson isn't even putting up the 6 ppg and 6 rpg that made Ed Davis a projected top 5 pick last year... he needs to pick up the pace" Evans

juise
11-15-2009, 10:25 PM
Although the alien was only a 2-star recruit and Henson was a top 10 guy, at least the alien has some semblance of an offensive game.

Yes, but I would say that the alien's biggest strength is his "headiness" when he's on the court (or anywhere else, for that matter). :p

jws
11-16-2009, 12:20 AM
Henson's just one of those kids who's metabolism makes it extremely difficult for him to put on weight, especially with the energy he burns. He's been hitting the weights hard and is on a strict diet to put weight on(According to the trainer, he's put on 20 lbs since HS), but some folks just fill out easier/faster than others.

As to playing time, like most frosh, he's having some defensive difficulties right now, and if you don't play defense, you get to sit on the bench with Roy. He also has lots of problems at the FT line, and he won't be seeing much time at the end of close games unless/until that changes.

Having said all that, anyone who thinks he doesn't have tremendous skills, both offensively and defensively, is in for a big surprise.

oldnavy
11-16-2009, 07:18 AM
:confused:
Henson's just one of those kids who's metabolism makes it extremely difficult for him to put on weight, especially with the energy he burns. He's been hitting the weights hard and is on a strict diet to put weight on(According to the trainer, he's put on 20 lbs since HS), but some folks just fill out easier/faster than others.

As to playing time, like most frosh, he's having some defensive difficulties right now, and if you don't play defense, you get to sit on the bench with Roy. He also has lots of problems at the FT line, and he won't be seeing much time at the end of close games unless/until that changes.

Having said all that, anyone who thinks he doesn't have tremendous skills, both offensively and defensively, is in for a big surprise.

:confused: Did you say that if you don't play defense you get to sit on the bench with Roy? Really? Really? Well I guess Ol Roy better make some room for Drew II and Strickland, because the way the Valpo guards were blowing by them last night they should be cuddled up to Roy - real close...

JasonEvans
11-16-2009, 11:40 AM
Having said all that, anyone who thinks he doesn't have tremendous skills, both offensively and defensively, is in for a big surprise.

None of us have said anything to doubt his skills or his potential.

We just think he looks like he caught the latest flight in from Alpha Centauri.

-Jason "I keed" Evans

superdave
11-16-2009, 11:59 AM
I think Wheat said Henson has a really good face-up game (used to be a guard, then grew), an ok post-up game but needs a lot of work on the jumper.

I am yet to see him play, but would love for him to go pro in May.

BlueDevilCorvette!
11-16-2009, 12:33 PM
I don't mind if Henson turns out to be a superb player, I only hope that on any given night versus Duke that our guy can dominate him on both ends of the floor! Great, go ahead and average a double-double but against Duke, I hope he gets shut down!

flyingdutchdevil
11-16-2009, 12:37 PM
(According to the trainer, he's put on 20 lbs since HS)

WHAT! Henson was skinnier than this? Did he used to live with Kate Moss? Is his best friend Kiera Knightley? Did he and Lindsay Lohan used to visit the bathroom right after lunch?

There's lanky, there's thin, and there's unhealthy thin. Henson falls into the last category...

kong123
11-16-2009, 12:40 PM
I am yet to see him play, but would love for him to go pro in May.

i doubt he would go pro in May unless UNC wins a NC

Huh?
11-16-2009, 12:42 PM
[QUOTE=jws;331060]

As to playing time, like most frosh, he's having some defensive difficulties right now, and if you don't play defense, you get to sit on the bench with Roy. He also has lots of problems at the FT line, and he won't be seeing much time at the end of close games unless/until that changes.



Since when?

Battierfan01
11-16-2009, 12:55 PM
[QUOTE=jws;331060]

As to playing time, like most frosh, he's having some defensive difficulties right now, and if you don't play defense, you get to sit on the bench with Roy. He also has lots of problems at the FT line, and he won't be seeing much time at the end of close games unless/until that changes.



Since when?

I guess Roy's idea of defense is much different then Coach K's.

jesus_hurley
11-16-2009, 12:59 PM
[QUOTE=jws;331060]

As to playing time, like most frosh, he's having some defensive difficulties right now, and if you don't play defense, you get to sit on the bench with Roy. He also has lots of problems at the FT line, and he won't be seeing much time at the end of close games unless/until that changes.



Since when?

if this were the case the entire damn team would have sat the last few years. Henson's problem right now is he can't shoot the ball from more then 10 feet out, he's having trouble staying in front of smaller and faster players, and he's no longer taller then everyone else on the court.

And I am not sure about those 20 pounds - according to scout Henson weighed in at 200 pounds as a senior in High School (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3164671) and according to the UNC-CH roster he now weighs 195. But I'm sure it's a really heavy 195....

Kedsy
11-16-2009, 01:00 PM
I think Wheat said Henson has a really good face-up game (used to be a guard, then grew), an ok post-up game but needs a lot of work on the jumper.

If he was a guard, how come he can't shoot?

jesus_hurley
11-16-2009, 01:05 PM
If he was a guard, how come he can't shoot?

well, he grew like 8 inches so the angle to the basket changed and...nevermind :)

crimsonandblue
11-16-2009, 01:09 PM
[QUOTE=Huh?;331185]

I guess Roy's idea of defense is much different then Coach K's.

UNC's had better defensive efficiency stats than Duke, tempo free, for two of the past three years. Really, both teams have been pretty comparable since Roy got there, in terms of defensive efficiency.

I think those stats are probably paint a pretty accurate picture of their overall defensive schemes, although I'd certainly prefer a standard Duke team defense over Roy's system if I had to get just one stop.

oldnavy
11-16-2009, 01:10 PM
[QUOTE=Huh?;331185]

if this were the case the entire damn team would have sat the last few years. Henson's problem right now is he can't shoot the ball from more then 10 feet out, he's having trouble staying in front of smaller and faster players, and he's no longer taller then everyone else on the court.

And I am not sure about those 20 pounds - according to scout Henson weighed in at 200 pounds as a senior in High School (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3164671) and according to the UNC-CH roster he now weighs 195. But I'm sure it's a really heavy 195....

Well the fact that he is in a UNC uniform automatically adds 20 pounds, 6 inches on his vertical, and 8 feet to his shooting range, didn't you guys know that??

Right now, Thompson is the only player on the court for UNC that concerns me. The rest are... OK, but nothing that I would worry about.

Battierfan01
11-16-2009, 01:15 PM
[QUOTE=jesus_hurley;331197]

Well the fact that he is in a UNC uniform automatically adds 20 pounds, 6 inches on his vertical, and 8 feet to his shooting range, didn't you guys know that??


And it also lowers his IQ by 20 points!!

oldnavy
11-16-2009, 01:31 PM
[QUOTE=Battierfan01;331196]

UNC's had better defensive efficiency stats than Duke, tempo free, for two of the past three years. Really, both teams have been pretty comparable since Roy got there, in terms of defensive efficiency.

I think those stats are probably paint a pretty accurate picture of their overall defensive schemes, although I'd certainly prefer a standard Duke team defense over Roy's system if I had to get just one stop.

Lies, Damn Lies, and statistics...

jws
11-16-2009, 05:06 PM
None of us have said anything to doubt his skills or his potential.

I beg to differ.

Quote from Boozer:


He has no offensive skill's, zilch, notta, none.


We just think he looks like he caught the latest flight in from Alpha Centauri.

-Jason "I keed" Evans

He definitely be long and gangly, but I think Brandan Wright looked longer and ganglier*.









*Possibly made up word

jws
11-16-2009, 05:14 PM
:confused:

:confused: Did you say that if you don't play defense you get to sit on the bench with Roy?

Yep, that's what I said.


Really?

Yep.


Really?

Yep.


Well I guess Ol Roy better make some room for Drew II and Strickland, because the way the Valpo guards were blowing by them last night they should be cuddled up to Roy - real close...

Drew and Strickland did indeed have awful defensive games against Valpo, and were that sort of thing to continue, they'd both be sitting, because you simply cannot beat a good team if you allow penetration down the middle, but neither had been playing that badly previously, and Drew was much better than that last season, so we'll have to see if this was an anomaly, or if it's a serious ongoing problem.

Not to worry, the boys are probably running defensive drills 'til they vomit as we speak.

jws
11-16-2009, 05:17 PM
Since when?

Since the first day he became a head coach.

jws
11-16-2009, 06:07 PM
if this were the case the entire damn team would have sat the last few years.

What makes you say that?


Henson's problem right now is he can't shoot the ball from more then 10 feet out, he's having trouble staying in front of smaller and faster players, and he's no longer taller then everyone else on the court.

He's certainly got some problems, especially defensively, as do most freshmen.


And I am not sure about those 20 pounds - according to scout Henson weighed in at 200 pounds as a senior in High School (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3164671) and according to the UNC-CH roster he now weighs 195. But I'm sure it's a really heavy 195....

I heard it in an interview with Joe Sahratian, the Tar Heel's strength coach, who said Henson's assigignment was to gain 15 lbs over the summer before he showed up for preseason basketball, and said that when they weighed him, he'd gained 20lbs.

If you'd rather go with the preseason roster, that's fine with me.

Blueequalslife23
11-16-2009, 08:10 PM
To be honest...The biggest reason i was nervous about playing UNC was i was thinking this kid was going to be the next coming of Kevin Durant. And the fact he's playing the way he is against teams like Valpo... Is a sigh of relief.

Wheat/"/"/"
11-16-2009, 08:53 PM
I think Wheat said Henson has a really good face-up game (used to be a guard, then grew), an ok post-up game but needs a lot of work on the jumper.

I am yet to see him play, but would love for him to go pro in May.

Must have been someone else...I never saw him play before the past couple of UNC games.

oldnavy
11-22-2009, 10:44 AM
Who do you think is having more fun in there respective "system's"?
Dre or Strickland? Hummm??

airowe
11-22-2009, 11:07 AM
Who do you think is having more fun in there respective "system's"?
Dre or Strickland? Hummm??

GM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS

Andre Dawkins 4 20.8 11.5 2.0 1.5 0.3 6/1 1.0 0.5 1.8 .485 1.000 .462 1.39

Ryan Kelly 4 16.0 5.5 3.3 1.5 0.3 6/1 0.8 1.5 2.3 .450 .500 .333 1.10

Travis Wear 5 10.8 4.0 2.2 0.2 0.8 1/4 0.2 0.0 0.8 .600 1.000 .000 1.33

John Henson 5 9.8 3.0 2.8 1.4 0.2 7/1 0.8 0.8 0.4 .375 .375 .000 0.94

Dexter Strickland 5 13.8 2.6 0.2 1.6 2.2 1/1.4 0.4 0.0 1.8 .357 .600 .000 0.93

Leslie McDonald 4 7.8 2.3 2.0 0.8 0.8 1/1 0.5 0.3 0.8 .333 .000 .167 0.75

David Wear 5 9.4 2.0 1.0 1.2 0.6 2/1 0.4 0.2 0.6 .444 .500 .500 1.11

chadlee989
11-22-2009, 07:21 PM
Looks like we have the better class of freshmen. If only we had Mason healthy our guys would look even better.

Welcome2DaSlopes
11-22-2009, 07:29 PM
Looks like we have the better class of freshmen. If only we had Mason healthy our guys would look even better.

Hopefully if Roscoe comes to duke we can say the same thing next year.

Hermy-own
11-22-2009, 10:17 PM
Hopefully if Roscoe comes to duke we can say the same thing next year.

Next year they will have a ridiculously strong class, mostly because of Kendall Marshall and Reggie Bullock than harrison barnes, who may be gone before he can do major damage in the college ranks.
I think our hopes of beating them for the better class rest mostly on Seth Curry being a star. Of course, having Roscoe come to duke, stay 4 years, become 1st team ACC, and win a NC or 2 wouldn't hurt either. :)

EDIT: Sorry for keeping this board about Duke's system off track. To help it get on track:
I agree with the people who have said that coach K is a master at changing his system to fit his personnel. I wonder if Duke will get back to running the floor, with high pressure man to man D and lots of transition points when Kyrie and Seth arrive next year. With Nolan, Kyrie, Seth and the Plumlees (athletic big men) we may have the roster to do that.

flyingdutchdevil
11-23-2009, 05:40 AM
GM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS

Andre Dawkins 4 20.8 11.5 2.0 1.5 0.3 6/1 1.0 0.5 1.8 .485 1.000 .462 1.39

Ryan Kelly 4 16.0 5.5 3.3 1.5 0.3 6/1 0.8 1.5 2.3 .450 .500 .333 1.10

Travis Wear 5 10.8 4.0 2.2 0.2 0.8 1/4 0.2 0.0 0.8 .600 1.000 .000 1.33

John Henson 5 9.8 3.0 2.8 1.4 0.2 7/1 0.8 0.8 0.4 .375 .375 .000 0.94

Dexter Strickland 5 13.8 2.6 0.2 1.6 2.2 1/1.4 0.4 0.0 1.8 .357 .600 .000 0.93

Leslie McDonald 4 7.8 2.3 2.0 0.8 0.8 1/1 0.5 0.3 0.8 .333 .000 .167 0.75

David Wear 5 9.4 2.0 1.0 1.2 0.6 2/1 0.4 0.2 0.6 .444 .500 .500 1.11

How many McD All-Americans is that from UNC? 4? Wow...

Haven't seem em play, but those stats are, simply put, awful for UNC! Plus, if I were Strickland and McDonald, I would be thinking "With three more talented guards coming in next year, what will happen to my playing time?" I smell a few transfers coming. And a reverse-liposuction for Henson.

I feel that Henson will be a favorite for Duke fans to make fun of - he has a ton of potential, all of which hasn't been seen. He is supposed to be the new, great player to come out of UNC (and I don't see that happening), and, most importantly, he is the thinnist athlete I have ever seen. Long-distance runners have more of a body than Henson! I look forward to playing Jon "ET" Henson, or Jon "Kate Moss" Henson, or Jon "I like eating celery for lunch" Henson, or Jon "Veganism is the way to go!" Henson.

oldnavy
11-23-2009, 07:04 AM
Perhaps the crazies can give Henson a message when he comes to Cameron, this year... "phone home"...:)

flyingdutchdevil
11-23-2009, 08:50 AM
Perhaps the crazies can give Henson a message when he comes to Cameron, this year... "phone home"...:)

Remember when everyone was talking about how Austin Daye wouldn't be able to play in the NBA? Or how Ryan Kelly is too thin for ACC basketball? Or how Tayshaun Prince went on a hunger strike? Okay, I made that last one up, but Henson is twice as thin as all of those listed. It's unhealthy!

I hope the Crazies blow up a bunch of pictures, like an alien or Kate Moss, and put Henson's head on top of it.

davekay1971
11-23-2009, 08:52 AM
Anybody got any Twinkies left over from when Dennis Scott came to Cameron? We know Twinkies don't go bad over a mere 20 years, and Henson could really, really use them.

camion
11-23-2009, 09:06 AM
I'm not saying he's a bit slender, but...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/msteele21/jack_skellington.jpg

moonpie23
11-23-2009, 09:29 AM
they could give him sean may's old pizza hut account.... :p

roywhite
11-23-2009, 10:01 AM
I saw Henson described the other day as:

6'10" 200 pounds
Can't shoot from outside
Can't post up
Can't take guys off the dribble

Does he have a position; does he deserve the hype?

dukelifer
11-23-2009, 10:09 AM
I saw Henson described the other day as:

6'10" 200 pounds
Can't shoot from outside
Can't post up
Can't take guys off the dribble

Does he have a position; does he deserve the hype?

Yes- and he will get better. He is not strong enough at this point and will need the season and the summer to improve. The kid can play- but his confidence is taking a beating at the moment This is bad for Duke though as I had tagged this kid for one and done.

sagegrouse
11-23-2009, 10:19 AM
I haven't conducted the test, but I bet he could wind his arms completely around his body so he could shake hands with himself in front.

sagegrouse

roywhite
11-23-2009, 10:22 AM
Yes- and he will get better. He is not strong enough at this point and will need the season and the summer to improve. The kid can play- but his confidence is taking a beating at the moment This is bad for Duke though as I had tagged this kid for one and done.

You're probably right, but some guys just cannot add weight and strength. Remember Shawn Bradley?

flyingdutchdevil
11-23-2009, 10:23 AM
You're probably right, but some guys just cannot add weight and strength. Remember Shawn Bradley?

LOL!!! If Henson turns into the next Shawn Bradley, that would be amazing! I would love to watch SC highlights of Henson getting dunked on by Nate Robinson!

Kedsy
11-23-2009, 11:44 AM
I saw Henson described the other day as:

6'10" 200 pounds

Is he really as heavy as 200 pounds? Doesn't look it.

roywhite
11-23-2009, 11:59 AM
Is he really as heavy as 200 pounds? Doesn't look it.

Henson is listed as 6'10" 195 pounds on the roster that appears on Carolina Blue web site.

I have a buddy with some contacts at Chapel Hill who claims that there are people assigned to make sure Henson shows up for every meal and actually consumes his food!

JasonEvans
11-23-2009, 12:02 PM
I would love to watch SC highlights of Henson getting dunked on by Nate Robinson!

Speaking of Nate, did everyone see him intentionally shoot the ball (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Nate-Robinson-shoots-on-wrong-basket-D-A?urn=nba,204081)at the wrong basket at the end of the first quarter the other day. D'Antoni was -- uhhh -- not pleased.

--Jason "Nate and CDu are likely in their final seasons with the Knicks, I think" Evans

flyingdutchdevil
11-23-2009, 12:03 PM
Henson is listed as 6'10" 195 pounds on the roster that appears on Carolina Blue web site.

I have a buddy with some contacts at Chapel Hill who claims that there are people assigned to make sure Henson shows up for every meal and actually consumes his food!

hahahaha!!! that is awesome! They should treat him like a French goose - put a plastic tube down his throat and force-feed him starch!

Kedsy
11-23-2009, 12:05 PM
Henson is listed as 6'10" 195 pounds on the roster that appears on Carolina Blue web site.

I have a buddy with some contacts at Chapel Hill who claims that there are people assigned to make sure Henson shows up for every meal and actually consumes his food!

Do you remember Chuck Nevitt? I had a discussion once with an assistant SID at State, during Nevitt's sophomore year (really his third year because he redshirted as a freshman), and he said they gave Nevitt a double meal plan, and made sure he ate six meals a day, but he still couldn't gain any weight.

I think by Nevitt's senior year he finally filled out a little and was able to contribute on the court. He didn't score much but he blocked a couple shots a game, and then went on to have a 9 year NBA career. I just looked up his NBA weight and he was listed at 217. He's 7'5", though, so that's still pretty skinny.

oldnavy
11-23-2009, 02:55 PM
Do you remember Chuck Nevitt? I had a discussion once with an assistant SID at State, during Nevitt's sophomore year (really his third year because he redshirted as a freshman), and he said they gave Nevitt a double meal plan, and made sure he ate six meals a day, but he still couldn't gain any weight.

I think by Nevitt's senior year he finally filled out a little and was able to contribute on the court. He didn't score much but he blocked a couple shots a game, and then went on to have a 9 year NBA career. I just looked up his NBA weight and he was listed at 217. He's 7'5", though, so that's still pretty skinny.

He's made up for it now, he is actually kind of pudgy... amazing what middle age will do for the waist line.

jv001
11-23-2009, 03:29 PM
Yes- and he will get better. He is not strong enough at this point and will need the season and the summer to improve. The kid can play- but his confidence is taking a beating at the moment This is bad for Duke though as I had tagged this kid for one and done.

May not be bad for Duke if he continues to play at the same rate and weight. But I know what you're saying. Just maybe the so called experts got it wrong when they rated him so high. Go Duke!

flyingdutchdevil
11-23-2009, 07:11 PM
May not be bad for Duke if he continues to play at the same rate and weight. But I know what you're saying. Just maybe the so called experts got it wrong when they rated him so high. Go Duke!

Yeah - but it's tough to judge high school talent for college bball - sometimes they get it wrong. McBob was definitely overrated in high school. I get the feeling that Henson may be the same way. Only time will tell...

wallyman
11-23-2009, 08:49 PM
the premature gloating on this thread and the syracuse game thread is a bad idea. that game was a delight to watch but the holes have plenty of talent and will be fine this year and a monster next year. sometimes freshmen, even holes freshmen, look like freshmen. doesn't mean henson won't be a star before long.

airowe
11-23-2009, 08:53 PM
the premature gloating on this thread and the syracuse game thread is a bad idea. that game was a delight to watch but the holes have plenty of talent and will be fine this year and a monster next year. sometimes freshmen, even holes freshmen, look like freshmen. doesn't mean henson won't be a star before long.

What's it going to hurt? It's fun to poke holes where holes are in other teams. It's not like a post on here is going to be locker room material...

jesus_hurley
11-23-2009, 09:28 PM
What's it going to hurt? It's fun to poke holes where holes are in other teams. It's not like a post on here is going to be locker room material...

Plus it's fun and inflates my self esteem

oldnavy
11-24-2009, 07:28 AM
My thinking is that you better kick them while they are down, because they are not down very often... Plus it is all in fun any way, I do not wish any real harm on anybody... besides I live with two heel fans (son and wife) so I love it when they struggle. I get to strut around the house and do my "church lady" dance....:p

Newton_14
11-24-2009, 09:08 AM
Here is an article on the current struggles of Henson. Apparently Huck is losing faith. No worries though, it looks like team veteran Dexter Strickland has diagnosed the problem and is probably in the gym with Henson right now teaching him how to excel at the college level...

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/24/955076

Duvall
11-24-2009, 10:52 AM
Here is an article on the current struggles of Henson. Apparently Huck is losing faith. No worries though, it looks like team veteran Dexter Strickland has diagnosed the problem and is probably in the gym with Henson right now teaching him how to excel at the college level...

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/24/955076


Yet right now, his coach isn't ecstatic with the progress.

Is it possible that on this work-in-progress Carolina team Henson has become the biggest project?

"This is the first time he's ever had to think and play at the same time," Williams said. "You have to do that at this level, I don't care how gifted you are. Michael Jordan never made a mistake on running a play. James Worthy never made a mistake running plays. Sean May. You could really count on those guys knowing what they were doing. Well, John has never been asked to do that kind of thing before."

I'm just baffled that a coach would say things like this about a freshman in November. Who does this?

jesus_hurley
11-24-2009, 10:54 AM
Here is an article on the current struggles of Henson. Apparently Huck is losing faith. No worries though, it looks like team veteran Dexter Strickland has diagnosed the problem and is probably in the gym with Henson right now teaching him how to excel at the college level...

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/24/955076


"This is the first time he's ever had to think and play at the same time"

He's never had to walk and chew gum before either.

It's gotta be Roy's system. :D

airowe
11-24-2009, 11:01 AM
I'm just baffled that a coach would say things like this about a freshman in November. Who does this?

Roy completely threw this kid under the bus and when/if he improves next year playing his natural position (PF) Roy will take all the credit. What a tool.

roywhite
11-24-2009, 11:06 AM
He's never had to walk and chew gum before either.

It's gotta be Roy's system. :D

It'll be interesting to see if Roy does adapt his system. His emphasis has been push it up the floor, run wherever possible, take open shots from outside when available, and if the initial options are defended either have the PG drive or lob it into the post.

In my opinion, his current mix is ill-suited for that style. There are a number of good players at the "4" or "5" position---Thompson, Zeller, and Ed Davis with promising newcomers David and Travis Wear, though frankly none are Hansbrough caliber players. But is there a single front-line ACC talent at the 1, 2, or 3 positions? Drew, Graves, and Ginyard have some experience but no particular star power; Strickland and McDonald are not showing much yet, and Henson is currently not suited for any position.

The ball-handling and outside shooting is lacking.

Will Roy continue to fit his square peg style into the round hole of available talent?

brsett
11-24-2009, 11:14 AM
It'll be interesting to see if Roy does adapt his system. His emphasis has been push it up the floor, run wherever possible, take open shots from outside when available, and if the initial options are defended either have the PG drive or lob it into the post.

In my opinion, his current mix is ill-suited for that style. There are a number of good players at the "4" or "5" position---Thompson, Zeller, and Ed Davis with promising newcomers David and Travis Wear, though frankly none are Hansbrough caliber players. But is there a single front-line ACC talent at the 1, 2, or 3 positions? Drew, Graves, and Ginyard have some experience but no particular star power; Strickland and McDonald are not showing much yet, and Henson is currently not suited for any position.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this turns out. I thought Roy's style was predicated on the idea that a high number of possessions favored teams with better palyers/talent and removed a lot of the luck in the 40 minute game.

He still has a lot of good players, and since they play the same position, a large number of possessions seems like a good thing. But unfortunately, the pace required to get a large number of possessions doesn't suit the types of players he has as much.

If he had a guard that could really push the ball it might not matter -- tell those big boys to sprint for 5 minute shifts and just put them in constant rotation. That would be oppressive, and what UNC tended to look like in their obscene blowouts last year (see UNC-MSU I and UNC-MSU II).

Without the super high level ball handler, its going to be tricky. If one of the guards can figure out how to pass the ball effectively, Roy probably won't be able to get him off the court because that will move the possession count up, which I believe probably wins UNC alot of games.

dukelifer
11-24-2009, 11:15 AM
I'm just baffled that a coach would say things like this about a freshman in November. Who does this?
Well, I am sure many coaches get very frustrated with rookies and some players never seem to get the message. Roy also may see the beginnings of another Ty Lawson attitude emerging. But K has had his problems with Rookies getting it at Duke- particularly in understanding D. Making the coach's feelings known in the media, however, is usually not done- but Roy sometimes doesn't think things through before he talks- we have seen this a few times. But I am sure many coaches get to a point where they don't see the progress and kids will need to sit- regardless of where they were ranked in HS. This one is a puzzler though-as I expected this kid to be a star from the get go. But clearly this kid's confidence is taking a beating- but if he is going to live up to his hype- he needs to get it and get it fast. Roy knows this and he is simply doing his job of letting him know he is not in HS anymore .

kong123
11-24-2009, 11:32 AM
I don't think ol' Roy is throwing the kid under the bus, but it would be interesting to hear what JH thinks. I would imagine that the kid would agree that he doesn't currently look or feel comfortable out on the court, but he does show flashes of being a fun player to watch. IMHO, what Roy is really saying is that the kid has never been coached before. I imagine it will take a few months for him to show his true colors and articles like this will make it even tougher for him to adjust.

77devil
11-24-2009, 11:47 AM
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--Jason "Nate and CDu are likely in their final seasons with the Knicks, I think" Evans

I agree with you but I hope we're wrong about CDu. He's playing for a great coach and if the Knicks were to sign Lebron, what a great situation that would be for the PG. D'Antoni is behind Chris for now (unlike Ol' Roy's comments about Henson-what a jerk.) Let's hope his shooting turns around and soon.

Duhon's my point guard," D'Antoni said after Thursday's practice. "He's in a funk and we've got to get him out of it. He'll get out of it. I'm not shedding or throwing people overboard. I'm hanging in there and seeing what we can do." The reality is that Duhon is the best point guard on the team at this point in time. Certainly better than Toney Douglas and Nate Robinson.

devilboomer
11-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Here is an article on the current struggles of Henson. Apparently Huck is losing faith. No worries though, it looks like team veteran Dexter Strickland has diagnosed the problem and is probably in the gym with Henson right now teaching him how to excel at the college level...

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/24/955076

Sprained his ankle in mop-up duty with the walk-ons? Wow. That's got to hurt.

theAlaskanBear
11-24-2009, 12:04 PM
I agree with you but I hope we're wrong about CDu. He's playing for a great coach and if the Knicks were to sign Lebron, what a great situation that would be for the PG. D'Antoni is behind Chris for now (unlike Ol' Roy's comments about Henson-what a jerk.) Let's hope his shooting turns around and soon.

Duhon's my point guard," D'Antoni said after Thursday's practice. "He's in a funk and we've got to get him out of it. He'll get out of it. I'm not shedding or throwing people overboard. I'm hanging in there and seeing what we can do." The reality is that Duhon is the best point guard on the team at this point in time. Certainly better than Toney Douglas and Nate Robinson.

Not to highjack this thread (maybe these posts should be moved to Dukies in the NBA, mods?) but I would agree that this is just a severe shooting slump for Duhon. He is shooting 25 FG%, and 22% from three...and he has only been below 40% on FGs once (39%).

His other numbers are the same or better than last year. His rebounding is the same, his ast per game are just one shy of last year, and he has cut down on his turnovers and fouling, and has raised his steals in the same amount of minutes (1 mpg less) as last year. This indicates he is still doing good things on the court, he just needs to get his shots falling.

Blueequalslife23
11-24-2009, 12:22 PM
I don't know about the rest of you... But i can't take it anymore. I was over on IC and I saw a Kevin Durant comparison and a Andrei Kirilenko. This kid is averaging 3.0 PPG. Against awful teams!! Where do these comparisons come from!? 3.0 PPG againest teams such FIU, Gardner Webb and NC central = 0 PPG in the ACC. IC is becoming a more ignorant place each time i visit.

airowe
11-24-2009, 12:26 PM
I don't know about the rest of you... But i can't take it anymore. I was over on IC and I saw a Kevin Durant comparison and a Andrei Kirilenko. This kid is averaging 3.0 PPG. Against awful teams!! Where do these comparisons come from!? 3.0 PPG againest teams such FIU, Gardner Webb and NC central = 0 PPG in the ACC. IC is becoming a more ignorant place each time i visit.

I know this is going to get moved, but why do you go to IC? If you want information, go to the source:


Added Thompson: "It's hard for John right now. He's 6-10 and he's so mobile and he can dribble the ball and shoot. But he's also too skinny to play in the post and not really comfortable on the wing. He doesn't know what he really is or where he should be. He just hasn't found his niche."


"This is the first time he's ever had to think and play at the same time," Williams said. "You have to do that at this level, I don't care how gifted you are.


Long figured by outsiders to be an immediate star for the Tar Heels, Henson suddenly found himself with the mop-up five.

Blueequalslife23
11-24-2009, 12:29 PM
I know this is going to get moved, but why do you go to IC? If you want information, go to the source:

Usually for a laugh, now it's getting sad...

oldnavy
11-24-2009, 01:46 PM
So when do the transfer rumors start?

jesus_hurley
11-24-2009, 02:09 PM
So when do the transfer rumors start?

players only transfer from Duke. It's blasphemous to think that anyone would ever transfer from UNC-CH. I mean it is The University Of The People

brsett
11-24-2009, 03:06 PM
players only transfer from Duke. It's blasphemous to think that anyone would ever transfer from UNC-CH. I mean it is The University Of The People

I can think of Adam Boone, Brian Morrison, Cliff Rozier, and Larry Drew.

Cliff Rozier was a pretty good player - both at UNC and for Denny Crum at Louisville. Larry Drew went on to lead USC to an SEC championship. In my mind, I think that may have overlapped Billy McCaffrey transferring to Vanderbilt -- TWO former ACC players tearing up the SEC -- I loved it!

I bet I am missing a few, maybe even a big impact transfer -- well and that doesn't even get into the threatened Ray Felton transfer that got Doherty fired.

jesus_hurley
11-24-2009, 03:17 PM
I can think of Adam Boone, Brian Morrison, Cliff Rozier, and Larry Drew.

Cliff Rozier was a pretty good player - both at UNC and for Denny Crum at Louisville. Larry Drew went on to lead USC to an SEC championship. In my mind, I think that may have overlapped Billy McCaffrey transferring to Vanderbilt -- TWO former ACC players tearing up the SEC -- I loved it!

I bet I am missing a few, maybe even a big impact transfer -- well and that doesn't even get into the threatened Ray Felton transfer that got Doherty fired.

perhaps I should have indicated that was sarcasm. I was making light of the fact that UNC-CH fans always talk about the Duke players who have transferred for whatever reason and don't think anyone would ever want to leave their program.

And Alex Stephenson to the other USC is a recent one.

brsett
11-24-2009, 03:21 PM
perhaps I should have indicated that was sarcasm. I was making light of the fact that UNC-CH fans always talk about the Duke players who have transferred for whatever reason and don't think anyone would ever want to leave their program.

And Alex Stephenson to the other USC is a recent one.

I imagined you were being sarcastic. But I like to talk ACC basketball, so it doesn't take much excuse to get me started. Good pull on Stephenson, forgot about him. That is two UNC players that transferred from teams that won NC their natural junior years (I think). Addition by subtraction I suppose -- though to be fair Stephenson apparently had a family hardship of some sort. Rozier seemed to be a knucklehead from the word go!

oldnavy
11-24-2009, 04:31 PM
I would love to see Henson transfer if for no other reason than to knock some luster off Ol Roy and his program.

I have heard the UNC yak about how every transfer from Duke left because of evil Coach K and his evil empire. I wonder how they would explain that away??

What was the transfer situation for Ol Roy at KU? Did he have many or any leave??

dukeballer2294
11-24-2009, 04:43 PM
perhaps I should have indicated that was sarcasm. I was making light of the fact that UNC-CH fans always talk about the Duke players who have transferred for whatever reason and don't think anyone would ever want to leave their program.

And Alex Stephenson to the other USC is a recent one.

just a random fact... brian morrison is the assistant coach and skills coach of my varsity team

Tim1515
11-24-2009, 05:04 PM
I would love to see Henson transfer if for no other reason than to knock some luster off Ol Roy and his program.

I have heard the UNC yak about how every transfer from Duke left because of evil Coach K and his evil empire. I wonder how they would explain that away??

What was the transfer situation for Ol Roy at KU? Did he have many or any leave??

I think you're more likely to see McDonald transfer...which i have to admit would put a little smile on my face

Newton_14
11-24-2009, 05:24 PM
just a random fact... brian morrison is the assistant coach and skills coach of my varsity team

That is cool. I imagine you are getting good instruction. Brian had talent. But one thing you can rib him about: He never met a shot he did not like!

Too bad for him he played for the worst coach in the history of the school.

dukelifer
11-25-2009, 07:16 AM
Roy completely threw this kid under the bus and when/if he improves next year playing his natural position (PF) Roy will take all the credit. What a tool.

Roy just had shoulder surgery from and an injury he received in early October from a fall on the golf course. That would make for a cranky coach. Could explain the outburst.

oldnavy
11-25-2009, 07:26 AM
Roy just had shoulder surgery from and an injury he received in early October from a fall on the golf course. That would make for a cranky coach. Could explain the outburst.

Could, but Ol' Roy seems to lash out a lot when things aren't going his way. The hurt shoulder most likely is a contributing factor, but he is prone to this type behavior anyway.

Indoor66
11-25-2009, 09:02 AM
Roy just had shoulder surgery from and an injury he received in early October from a fall on the golf course. That would make for a cranky coach. Could explain the outburst.

Must have been reacting to a bad shot. :p

flyingdutchdevil
11-25-2009, 09:08 AM
With Henson's height to width ratio, Roy may be looking to use him as a golf club for his next round of 18 :)

slower
11-25-2009, 09:22 AM
Roy just had shoulder surgery from and an injury he received in early October from a fall on the golf course.

Okay, I'm not a golfer, but I never realized just how dadgum dangerous a game it was.

77devil
11-25-2009, 09:45 AM
Roy just had shoulder surgery from and an injury he received in early October from a fall on the golf course. That would make for a cranky coach. Could explain the outburst.


Could, but Ol' Roy seems to lash out a lot when things aren't going his way. The hurt shoulder most likely is a contributing factor, but he is prone to this type behavior anyway.

I can't believe excuses are being made for Ol' Roy on DBR. Can we stop all this UNC obsession? It's game day in the Garden for crying out load.

JStuart
11-25-2009, 09:47 AM
Did he hurt his toe at the same time?
Oh, Wait...that was last year.

oldnavy
11-25-2009, 11:38 AM
Did he hurt his toe at the same time?
Oh, Wait...that was last year.

I think he was quoted as saying he didn't give a S*** about his toe right now...:D

SupaDave
01-03-2010, 09:18 PM
I just had to bring this up. In UNC's recent easy win I witnessed John Henson attempt to dunk "Mailman style". Forget the fact that they were playing a middle of the road squad, this guy's body is like 40 years behind Malone's. Considering his impact thus far I'm astonished by the audacity.

RoyalBlue08
01-03-2010, 09:25 PM
I just had to bring this up. In UNC's recent easy win I witnessed John Henson attempt to dunk "Mailman style". Forget the fact that they were playing a middle of the road squad, this guy's body is like 40 years behind Malone's. Considering his impact thus far I'm astonished by the audacity.

I haven't seen a Carolina game in a few weeks, and didn't see this play. With that said, remember that "show off" plays like the one you described are probably a big part of what made Henson such a highly recruited player. (That along with people's imagination of what someone with his body type might be capable of.) My point it I wouldn't be too quick to criticize kids for things like this....it is more a product of the system they are developed in. But I sure am glad he is Carolina's problem!

oldnavy
02-11-2010, 04:04 PM
How much weight would John Henson need to put on to be effective on the block? He is almost freakishly long, but so dang skinny.
I am guessing that with his frame he would need to pack on at least 40-50pounds to make a difference. That is a huge amount of muscle to add.
Anybody have any thoughts on this?

Mrezt
02-11-2010, 04:06 PM
How much weight would Gumby need to put on to be effective on the block? He is almost freakisly long, but so dang skinny.

I am guessing that with his frame he would need to pack on at least 40-50pounds to make a difference. That is a huge amount of muscle to add.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?

Fixed it for you. Although if you weren't watching Raycom last night my fix will make no sense

But to your question- i agree with about 40 pounds. And yea thats quite a lot

licc85
02-11-2010, 04:08 PM
john henson sucks, I hope he never develops into his into what people thought he would be. It would make me feel so much better about randolph, mcroberts, Zoubek, boateng, and every other hyped up Duke big man who didn't live up to his high school ranking.

ChicagoCrazy84
02-11-2010, 04:42 PM
john henson sucks, I hope he never develops into his into what people thought he would be. It would make me feel so much better about randolph, mcroberts, Zoubek, boateng, and every other hyped up Duke big man who didn't live up to his high school ranking.


I could see Henson turning out to be a McRoberts or Randolph, pretty good but didn't blow up, then leave early while your stock is somewhat high. Tough to put Boateng in that mix because he transferred after a year, so it's not like we oversaw his development much. Zoubek is a tough one. I don't know if he was ranked all that high, or if he was, he certainly didn't have the kind of hype surrounding him that McBob or Shav had or Henson does.

oldnavy
02-11-2010, 05:09 PM
Is it physically possible to add 50 pounds of muscle mass without anabolic steroids over a one year period?

BobbyFan
02-11-2010, 05:16 PM
I will say that Henson's left handed hook shot was a thing of beauty last night.

91devil
02-11-2010, 05:19 PM
I will say that Henson's left handed hook shot was a thing of beauty last night.

You mean the four-foot hook shot that went three feet? Twice?

SilkyJ
02-11-2010, 05:25 PM
I will say that Henson's left handed hook shot was a thing of beauty last night.

Both of them. You would think after the first airball he wouldn't have tried the second one where he added degree of difficulty by making it a running skyhook. Some things you just can't coach, dagnabbit...unfortunately for huck, shot selection is quite coachable.


Zoubek is a tough one. I don't know if he was ranked all that high, or if he was, he certainly didn't have the kind of hype surrounding him that McBob or Shav had or Henson does.

Zoubek was a top 50 recruit in a pretty darn good class (Oden, Durant, Lawson, Ellington, Thad Young, Javaris Shootenden - I mean crittenden, Chase buddinger, Stanford's Lopez Twins, Sherron Collins, and our own Henderson, Scheyer and Thomas among several other names you guys would recognize...)

He was ranked 38th by scout and was considered a good center prospect.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2006

davekay1971
02-11-2010, 05:27 PM
Er...never mind...technical incompetence...I screwed up the trying to put the pics in this post! Maybe someone work it out better than me, but I think there's more than a passing resemblance between Henson and the POTUS.

DevilHorns
02-11-2010, 05:38 PM
Is it physically possible to add 50 pounds of muscle mass without anabolic steroids over a one year period?

Im on the floor laughing. If I got a small chuckle, i would've typed "lol." But seriously, this is making me laugh my butt off. Hat's off.

Duvall
02-14-2010, 06:47 PM
i doubt he would go pro in May unless UNC wins a NC

I concur.