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moonpie23
12-05-2009, 12:40 AM
i do......by 8

Kedsy
12-05-2009, 12:48 AM
i do......by 8

I do not, but Sagarin does, also by 8.

dukemsu
12-05-2009, 01:00 AM
Awfully tough road assignment for the baby Heels. Cats lying in wait. Patterson lays the baby bigs to waste (foul trouble) and Wall lights up Ginyard. Cats by 10. Dukemsu

Duvall
12-05-2009, 01:38 AM
I do not, but Sagarin does, also by 8.

Sagarin still isn't connected though. Not sure I would put much faith in that.

flyingdutchdevil
12-05-2009, 04:22 AM
It's the baby cats vs the baby heels. Interesting...

Prediction: most interesting stat of the game? Combined turnovers > 40

mr shadow 008
12-05-2009, 05:41 AM
I am completely torn about who to cheer for in this game. I hate Coach Cal but i also equally hate the holes. I am not sure who to cheer for in this game. However, I do believe that Kentucky will win this game. I think that Kentucky's back court is a lot better than the hole's is. Let me give you some numbers between ALL of unc's guards are averaging 34.3 points a game, while between the three guards that get the most minutes with kentucky (wall, miller, and bledsoe) are averaging 37.8 by themselves.



JMO.

roywhite
12-05-2009, 07:05 AM
The Heels' first half against Michigan State was one of the best performances I've seen anywhere this year, definitely better than I've seen UK play. UNC is also quite capable of cold outside shooting and sloppy ball handling.

I'll say home court means a lot with the number of young players in this game, and UK wins a close one.

YmoBeThere
12-05-2009, 07:07 AM
I'm hoping that a small section of the world implodes on itself today. Does it probably defy the laws of physics? Yes, but defy away...

BoC
12-05-2009, 07:27 AM
This decision is easy for me; I hate both teams' fans, but I hate the heels team/coaches more and I'm not surrounded by Kentucky fans.

Go Kentucky.

oldnavy
12-05-2009, 07:34 AM
Well, early on I wagered a soft drink with a friend of mine that UK would beat UNC by 12 points. Now that bet doesn't look so good. I still think that UK wins, but closer than the 12 points I gave away.

Bluedevil114
12-05-2009, 08:40 AM
Quincy Miller and JP Tokoto will be in the house watching. I hope both teams look sloppy. I am hoping for a final score of 15-14 in favor of the cats. ha ha

Faison1
12-05-2009, 08:45 AM
It hurts to say this, but I think UNC wins.....UK frosh have never been in a big game before. And Cousins has been talking trash about UNC.

If UNC wins, prepare the ear plugs!!!

Devilsfan
12-05-2009, 09:08 AM
Went to see them play MSU and unfortunately they're MUCH better than I suspected. What I thought was their weakness, the point guard turned out to be preety good. They're athletic although not physical and they ALL can run the court. The only one that seemed not very good was #34, one of their twins. And their seniors Gynyard and Thompson seemed that night not nearly as good as the underclassmen (Davis, Zeller, Wear and Strickland), but if those two were better they would be in the league with Lawson, Hanstravel and the unrythmic dancing boy. I should mention that they took on the laziness of MSU in the last ten minutes. Not playing a full 40 minutes is a bad reflection on the Heels' coach. MSU on the otherhand was very athletic and perhaps even more talented but they seemed to be uncoached. I thought they looked like they were playing a WMCA league game. No passing and many times one and out with the first one down the court hoisting up a long range shot.

chrisheery
12-05-2009, 09:10 AM
What Is the over under on this game? I'd set it at around 170. Should be pretty fun to watch.

diveonthefloor
12-05-2009, 09:22 AM
UNC is so much better than Ky it isn't even funny.

That being said, I hope they BOTH LOSE!

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 09:38 AM
i think it's been posted somewhere else that if the cats win THEN have it vacated that would be about the same as both of them losing....


perhaps the best thing to hope for is a few terribly embarrassing moments for both teams....

davekay1971
12-05-2009, 09:50 AM
This matchup is about up there with Carolina-UConn in the can-we-just-hope-for-the-gates-of-hell-to-open-and-swallow-them-all scale (also known as the CWJHFTGOHTOASTA scale...scientifically validated in my own mind).

Carolina wins the game by 2 and, in a surprise upset to a blissfully ignorant nation, Ol' Roy edges out Crooked Cal for the Slimy Coach World Heavyweight title. Kentucky immediately offers Ol' Roy a contract.

BlueintheFace
12-05-2009, 09:57 AM
I have no clue. There is just no way to predict this game with two incredibly inexperienced young teams prone to stupid mistakes. UK has more talent and an unstoppable player, but Carolina plays defense and is better coached (not saying much). If I had to choose... hmmm... uhhh... I'm just going with the home team, but honestly I have no clue.

DevilHorns
12-05-2009, 10:17 AM
As much as I want the cats to kill the heels, the heels have been the better team this year (outside of the syracuse game). UK has had plenty of close games and barely eeked them out. the wildcard, its in rupp and likely more important for UK to show-up then for UNC (you know the UK fans are more pumped up to get some respect). just a side thought, if they duke-wisconsin game was in CIS, i think we wouldve won by 12+.

weezie
12-05-2009, 10:22 AM
I say the 'cats, by 12.

sandinmyshoes
12-05-2009, 10:43 AM
I think UK wins easily, but then, I thought MSU would win easily. :confused:

dukelifer
12-05-2009, 11:31 AM
Hard to say. UNC has a lot of depth and they will use it. UNC's frontcourt is better by far. KY has better guard play but they are young and this is their first BIG game. I expect UNC to come out fast and fade late. Still UNC will pull it out. UK is going to improve over the year but they are not battle tested.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 11:32 AM
Is there any way they BOTH could lose?

Calipari is the UK coach. If UK wins, that will be the *most* likely outcome.

sweetchiba51
12-05-2009, 11:39 AM
I am completely torn about who to cheer for in this game. I hate Coach Cal but i also equally hate the holes. I am not sure who to cheer for in this game. However, I do believe that Kentucky will win this game. I think that Kentucky's back court is a lot better than the hole's is. Let me give you some numbers between ALL of unc's guards are averaging 34.3 points a game, while between the three guards that get the most minutes with kentucky (wall, miller, and bledsoe) are averaging 37.8 by themselves.



JMO.

Never ever ever ever pull for the holes....if the taliban played the holes, i would pull for the taliban...

Indoor66
12-05-2009, 11:43 AM
Never ever ever ever pull for the holes....if the taliban played the holes, i would pull for the taliban...

I can't go that far. I would sit out for the game.

RoyalBlue08
12-05-2009, 11:46 AM
Calipari is the UK coach. If UK wins, that will be the *most* likely outcome.

Love it!

oldnavy
12-05-2009, 11:53 AM
I can't go that far. I would sit out for the game.

See I would pull for the Taliban, and then execute them after the game, but that's just me! :confused:

Troublemaker
12-05-2009, 12:09 PM
UNC's frontcourt is better by far.

Really? I think it's pretty even, with Patterson, Cousins, Orton, etc maybe even having an edge

slower
12-05-2009, 12:46 PM
John...Freaking...Wall

Duvall
12-05-2009, 12:47 PM
Really? I think it's pretty even, with Patterson, Cousins, Orton, etc maybe even having an edge

Kentucky's frontcourt has looked pretty average early...HOLY CRAP JOHN WALL.

HCheek37
12-05-2009, 12:52 PM
holy god john wall's layup was insane. and now a 3.....ohh man there is a little bit of pain and 'what could have been' in my mind right now

Wander
12-05-2009, 12:53 PM
Wall is officially the early favorite for NPOY.

Troublemaker
12-05-2009, 12:56 PM
Wall is officially the early favorite for NPOY.

I agree. He's the best player in the country.

Only 18-11 right now but could easily see this being a 30-pt beatdown by the end of this game.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 01:00 PM
Kentucky's non-Wall freshmen are mistake-prone now - how good will they be by March? Good God.

slower
12-05-2009, 01:00 PM
Only 18-11 right now but could easily see this being a 30-pt beatdown by the end of this game.

There's nothing I would love to see more than a huge beatdown of the "Holes, but that's a pretty bold statement.

OMGOMGOMG!!!!! WALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I'm in...let's go for the 30-pt. beatdown.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 01:02 PM
22-11 and the tarholios look rattled...

HCheek37
12-05-2009, 01:03 PM
john freakin wall...wow

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 01:03 PM
john wall in TOTAL DOMINATION mode.......guess roy shoulda re-thought not recruiting him...

sagegrouse
12-05-2009, 01:03 PM
Holy Kansas 2008 Final Four! Doesn't Roy have a clue what to do?

sagegrouse

arydolphin
12-05-2009, 01:04 PM
Now it's 28-11 after Wall makes another layup in transition with an and-1. It's just one game, but Kentucky looks scary good right now.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 01:05 PM
eerything going the cat's way,,,,,

slower
12-05-2009, 01:22 PM
'Holes making a late-half comeback.

Okay, UK up 15 at the half. Let's have another one just like that

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 01:28 PM
starting to turn for the cats...

MarkD83
12-05-2009, 01:30 PM
I predict Ky by 15 at half.

miramar
12-05-2009, 01:31 PM
Kentucky is shooting 57.1% at the half and Carolina only 35.5%.

Wall has 13 and Patterson 11. Aaargh!!!

dynastydefender
12-05-2009, 01:35 PM
With respect to the Duke alums, I thought that with the quality of education offered at Duke that some critical thinkers would have made the answer to this thread a whole lot more cut and dry.

UK wins due to good coaching, better talent, better tradition.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 01:38 PM
clark kellog may APPEAR to be focusing on the game, but trust me, he's sitting there silently hating duke...

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 01:38 PM
Pretty impressive first half from KY.
Wall really gets things going, but I thought their strength inside really bothered the Heels more, especially on that first rotation when Henson and Zeller came in. Ky went on a roll against them and was finally slowed some when D. Wear came in and played much stronger than those two.

Way too many TO's of course, some quick hands from KY defenders, and some boneheaded passes didn't help either. That's what's killing the Heels.

This is not over, but UNC has to come out and play stronger in the post. And they will have to make foul shots to even think about getting back in it.

slower
12-05-2009, 01:38 PM
With respect to the Duke alums, I thought that with the quality of education offered at Duke that some critical thinkers would have made the answer to this thread a whole lot more cut and dry.

UK wins due to good coaching, better talent, better tradition.

Not sure UK has the edge in ANY of those categories. Regardless, I'm a Kentucky fan for another hour or so.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 01:40 PM
With respect to the Duke alums, I thought that with the quality of education offered at Duke that some critical thinkers would have made the answer to this thread a whole lot more cut and dry.

UK wins due to good coaching, better talent, better tradition.

Tradition doesn't win ball games, and UNC's coach is in the Hall of Fame. I think everyone agreed UK had better talent, but I hope you would agree that said talent had yet to really gel this season, as we saw against Miami (OH) and Stanford.

They look good today, though.

dynastydefender
12-05-2009, 01:41 PM
Not sure UK has the edge in ANY of those categories. Regardless, I'm a Kentucky fan for another hour or so.

Well I am sure. Next slide. :)

Not dissing Duke. I am on this board due to our mutual disdain for UNC.

sandinmyshoes
12-05-2009, 01:43 PM
A lot is made of UNC's size, but they are more tall than big. UK's bigs are just as tall (though not quite so deep) and they are thicker. They're doing a good job of using that muscle to create chaos in the paint. So long as they can keep doing that without getting into foul trouble, they walk away with this one.

This is a tough game to watch. The rivalry with UNC creates an automatic ABC in most situations, but UK is one of the dirtiest programs and fanbase around. I find myself rooting for defenses on both ends of the court. :cool:

slower
12-05-2009, 01:44 PM
Tradition doesn't win ball games, and UNC's coach is in the Hall of Fame. I think everyone agreed UK had better talent, but I hope you would agree that said talent had yet to really gel this season, as we saw against Miami (OH) and Stanford.

They look good today, though.

Until UK drives the wooden stake through their heart, I will not totally relax.

CRAP!!!!!! Wall may be hurt. All bets are off.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 01:46 PM
wall having a little problem with that knee

slower
12-05-2009, 01:54 PM
Hold on tight. Wall gone to locker room. 'Holes under 10 now.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 01:54 PM
we've seen this tarhoilio movie before...

Kewlswim
12-05-2009, 01:57 PM
Who Cares?

GO DUKE!

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:06 PM
cats still making plays and play d about every other play...

DevilAlumna
12-05-2009, 02:08 PM
What's up with Ol Roy's arm in a sling?

Indoor66
12-05-2009, 02:11 PM
What's up with Ol Roy's arm in a sling?

IRRC, shoulder surgery after an injury on the golf course.

DevilAlumna
12-05-2009, 02:11 PM
And is it just me, or are UK's uniforms UGLY?!? It looks like, from the front & waist up, that they're wearing cheap spandex leotards.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:12 PM
wall seems to have lost his acceleration...

Indoor66
12-05-2009, 02:12 PM
And is it just me, or are UK's uniforms UGLY?!? It looks like, from the front & waist up, that they're wearing cheap spandex leotards.

At least there is no argyle.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:13 PM
ware for 3 - down to 7 pt game

slower
12-05-2009, 02:14 PM
wall seems to have lost his acceleration...

Not the same player.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:15 PM
unc doesn't have ty lawson anymore

Duvall
12-05-2009, 02:18 PM
unc doesn't have ty lawson anymore

Yeah, but Kentucky doesn't have John Wall. With both its lead guards hobbled, Kentucky is struggling to score.

CDu
12-05-2009, 02:19 PM
UNC has clawed back in with Wall missing a bunch of the early second half with the cramps and with Bledsoe gimpy as well. Neither team plays with much regard for ball control.

It's amazing how not exciting UK looks without their guards at full strength. Who'd of thought?

Duvall
12-05-2009, 02:21 PM
I don't know if I've ever seen anyone airball the front end of a 1 and 1 before.

slower
12-05-2009, 02:23 PM
Appears to be a head case.

This one is falling apart quickly.

Jumbo
12-05-2009, 02:24 PM
I find myself rooting for Carolina. I'm unfamiliar with this sentiment. But the combination of seeing Kentucky's fans, John Calipari and Kentucky's players all in one setting seems to have swung the pendulum. I dislike Carolina, but I can respect the program. I cannot respect Kentucky in any way, shape or form. Plus, I guess a Carolina win would be good for us and the ACC.

jacone21
12-05-2009, 02:28 PM
I find myself rooting for Carolina.

Me too. I feel kinda scuzzy, like when you need to brush your teeth.


As for respect... this game shows that against teams coached by the likes of K and Roy, you better bring it for 40 minutes and not a second less.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:29 PM
JUMBO !!!! SMACK SMACK !! Snap out of it !

BoC
12-05-2009, 02:30 PM
IRRC, shoulder surgery after an injury on the golf course.

He actually hurt himself practicing calling time-outs; it was such an unusual movement his arm couldn't take it.

(Yeah, I realize that would have been funnier in the first half...)

slower
12-05-2009, 02:32 PM
has not been impressive at all. I think they said he had tweaked his ankle.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 02:33 PM
Rooting for Carolina? I don't know who you people are any more. Has the whole world gone Evans?

CDu
12-05-2009, 02:34 PM
has not been impressive at all. I think they said he had tweaked his ankle.

Yeah, Bledsoe has a bad ankle and Wall has cramps. So UK is playing this second half without their primary ballhandlers at full strength. Their halfcourt offense looks bad right now, perhaps as a result.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:34 PM
gonna be close

CMARTZ
12-05-2009, 02:35 PM
If we were to meet Kentucky, HOW WOULD WE STOP JOHN WALL?

He's ridiculously fast...

slower
12-05-2009, 02:35 PM
Rooting for Carolina?

Never, ever, EVER.

dukestheheat
12-05-2009, 02:36 PM
Their fans are cool, especially the ones who dance up in the stands (kind of like mountainous Dead Heads); at least they do fervently follow the team, especially that one older man who just, out of the blue, starts the full-tilt body wiggle. He's a portait, indeed.

dth.

_Gary
12-05-2009, 02:36 PM
Is it just me or have the last several UNC point guards developed an ability to get away, consistently, with palming the ball. It's uncanny how many times I have witnessed their guards doing some major palming while dribbling from hand to hand as they face up their defenders. And yes, I'm completely serious and wondering if anyone else has noticed this pattern over the last decade. It gives them such a huge advantage to be allowed to get away with it so frequently.

NYDukie
12-05-2009, 02:37 PM
I find myself rooting for Carolina. I'm unfamiliar with this sentiment. But the combination of seeing Kentucky's fans, John Calipari and Kentucky's players all in one setting seems to have swung the pendulum. I dislike Carolina, but I can respect the program. I cannot respect Kentucky in any way, shape or form. Plus, I guess a Carolina win would be good for us and the ACC.

I said the same thing pretty much to my wife. As a Duke fan and a fan in general, I know we have rivals which we tend to root against when playing other teams but at times may root for, for whatever reason (UNC in this case). But there are some teams I cannot get myself to root for b/c a certain disdain for the team, players, coaches, fans, etc. (UK in this case - UConn falls into this category for me as did UNLV back in the day), even if playing my fav teams chief rival. Like you said Jumbo, I respect the UNC program, Ole Roy and the vast majority of players and to me that trumps the dirtieness of UK...I fell dirty talking about them...LOL

Duvall
12-05-2009, 02:37 PM
Yeah, Bledsoe has a bad ankle and Wall has cramps. So UK is playing this second half without their primary ballhandlers at full strength. Their halfcourt offense looks bad right now, perhaps as a result.

They haven't looked great in transition, either. In the 18 minutes since Wall cramped up, UK has scored 18 points and looked bad doing it.

_Gary
12-05-2009, 02:38 PM
Rooting for Carolina? I don't know who you people are any more. Has the whole world gone Evans?

Not the whole world, because that will never, ever happen with me. I can't think of any scenario in which I'd root for UNC.

CDu
12-05-2009, 02:38 PM
Is it just me or have the last several UNC point guards developed an ability to get away, consistently, with palming the ball. It's uncanny how many times I have witnessed their guards doing some major palming while dribbling from hand to hand as they face up their defenders. And yes, I'm completely serious and wondering if anyone else has noticed this pattern over the last decade. It gives them such a huge advantage to be allowed to get away with it so frequently.

I think that's pretty true of college basketball PG across the nation.

slower
12-05-2009, 02:39 PM
Is it just me or have the last several UNC point guards developed an ability to get away, consistently, with palming the ball. It's uncanny how many times I have witnessed their guards doing some major palming while dribbling from hand to hand as they face up their defenders. And yes, I'm completely serious and wondering if anyone else has noticed this pattern over the last decade. It gives them such a huge advantage to be allowed to get away with it so frequently.

Ever since Jordan introduced palming/traveling as a standard feature of the game, a lot gets let go.

_Gary
12-05-2009, 02:41 PM
Ever since Jordan introduced traveling as a standard feature of the game, a lot gets let go.

Oh, I know everyone does this since Jordan. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about something beyond the norm. Just watch Drew, and watch video of Felton and the other recent UNC points and I believe you'll see what I've seen: an uncanny ability to palm the ball in the most blatant manner and yet never have it called. And it does give them a huge advantage.

Again, I'm not talking about the standard palming that everyone does nowadays. It's much worse than that, IMHO.

Indoor66
12-05-2009, 02:41 PM
Thread title: NOT ME!

Newton_14
12-05-2009, 02:43 PM
I find myself rooting for Carolina. I'm unfamiliar with this sentiment. But the combination of seeing Kentucky's fans, John Calipari and Kentucky's players all in one setting seems to have swung the pendulum. I dislike Carolina, but I can respect the program. I cannot respect Kentucky in any way, shape or form. Plus, I guess a Carolina win would be good for us and the ACC.

NO NO NO NO NO!!!

You are pulling for the holes to lose. Not the same as pulling for their opponent to win. You can do it Jumbo. FOCUS!!

Just turn the channel as soon as the buzzer sounds so you don't watch the celebration and you will be fine!

Son of Mojo
12-05-2009, 02:43 PM
Oh, I know everyone does this since Jordan. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about something beyond the norm. Just watch Drew, and watch video of Felton and the other recent UNC points and I believe you'll see what I've seen: an uncanny ability to palm the ball in the most blatant manner and yet never have it called. And it does give them a huge advantage.

Again, I'm not talking about the standard palming that everyone does nowadays. It's much worse than that, IMHO.

I always said Cota was the master of the reverse dribble--his hand was always under the ball. Felton & Lawson did their share of it as well.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:43 PM
tarholios going down...

_Gary
12-05-2009, 02:45 PM
I always said Cota was the master of the reverse dribble--his hand was always under the ball. Felton & Lawson did their share of it as well.

Yep, I think Cota was the first one that I really noticed doing it. And Felton, Lawson, and now Drew are doing it like crazy and never getting called for it. It's incredibly maddening. You can't guard a guy that's facing you up and allowed to palm it like all those guys did/do.

Greg_Newton
12-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Huge FTs by Bledsoe... kind of nice to see. He always seemed like a real likeable kid who loved Duke, but the stars just didn't align. I'm ensure he enjoyed putting a dagger in Carolina there.

I was getting all ready to express my shock and disgust at Jumbo's post:rolleyes:, but I have to say this is the closest I've ever been to pulling for UNC. I'm not vehemently pulling against them, at least. I think behind, at Rupp arena, under this specific Calipari-coached UK team may be the only circumstances I'll ever be able to say that.

moonpie23
12-05-2009, 02:47 PM
wow.....what a game.... !!

NovaScotian
12-05-2009, 02:47 PM
this is one of those situations when youre just rooting for a meteor or something - not to hurt anybody, but just to cancel the game. i'm familiar with this sentiment as a mets fan during this past years world series.

slower
12-05-2009, 02:47 PM
Thank God it's over.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 02:49 PM
I don't understand. Look at those sad faces! Look at MG1NYARD 50UL1NG out!

Enjoy the journey, especially the legs that involve Carolina getting beat.

CLW
12-05-2009, 02:51 PM
that was UGLY. NEITHER team looked impressive and NEITHER team can execute in a half court game. Combined 36 turnovers and neither team shot free throws particularly well.

both (right now) are VERY susceptible to an early round upset if their opponent can control the tempo and not turn the ball over.

ccrazies_708
12-05-2009, 02:51 PM
How about this for a newspaper headline-

Kentucky Wall-ks on the Heels!

sandinmyshoes
12-05-2009, 02:52 PM
That comeback scared me. We've all seen way too much of that from UNC over the years. I'm also left with this sinking feeling their young team will learn a lot from this game. But it's better they learn from a loss than a win!

Now I can go back to being an unconflicted fan. :o

slower
12-05-2009, 02:53 PM
that was UGLY. NEITHER team looked impressive and NEITHER team can execute in a half court game. Combined 36 turnovers and neither team shot free throws particularly well.

both (right now) are VERY susceptible to an early round upset if their opponent can control the tempo and not turn the ball over.

I think the margin would have been larger. Got to admit, Zeller looks pretty good.

Hermy-own
12-05-2009, 02:53 PM
that was UGLY. NEITHER team looked impressive and NEITHER team can execute in a half court game. Combined 36 turnovers and neither team shot free throws particularly well.

both (right now) are VERY susceptible to an early round upset if their opponent can control the tempo and not turn the ball over.

Yup. This was pretty much the best possible scenario - UNC loses, both teams look bad. I wonder why anyone would ever play for Calipari. He has never even gone to a final 4 (hint hint).

slower
12-05-2009, 02:55 PM
Yep, I think Cota was the first one that I really noticed doing it.

Please refrain from using the "C" word. ;)

trinity92
12-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Awesome game where either Carolina or UK has to lose-- Check

Carolina loses -- Check

A recruit Roy LOST tears him up -- Check

Carolina looks clueless and yes, unathletic in comparison to KY (although so do most other teams), while getting smashed in the mouth on network tv --Check

Kentucky loses overwhelming lead -- Check (We get to watch KY fanbase melt-down over losing this lead -- I'll go out on a limb and say "Check")

All in all, Carolina loses and JY can't come away too happy. What a great way to start the day. That said, I'm really not looking forward to facing either of these teams as they mature-- they are both gonna be tough.

Kane
12-05-2009, 02:57 PM
1) Thank God! UNC did not get Wall

2) At the moment UNC's bigs, especially Zeller, are more developed than our bigs . . . that has to change before we play them!

3) UNC is more athletic than we are (a given with most teams we'll play but they are a lot more athletic than Duke), however, we have better shooters, our guys have a higher basketball IQ and are far more experienced than UNC.

If played UNC today, we would be hurting inside . . . our bigs have to develop FAST!

Go Duke!

FireOgilvie
12-05-2009, 03:01 PM
UK plays UCon on Wednesday. Who do we root for there? UCon, because it makes Duke look better if they win? UK, because we can't root for UCon? Tough choice; the two hated Cals.

Wander
12-05-2009, 03:04 PM
UK plays UCon on Wednesday. Who do we root for there? UCon, because it makes Duke look better if they win? UK, because we can't root for UCon? Tough choice; the two hated Cals.

Definitely UConn. That way we can have Duke > UConn > UK > UNC. Not that it really matters, but still.

_Gary
12-05-2009, 03:06 PM
UK plays UCon on Wednesday. Who do we root for there? UCon, because it makes Duke look better if they win? UK, because we can't root for UCon? Tough choice; the two hated Cals.

That is truly a tough call. I guess I'd begrudgingly root for UConn because we did beat them already and in a small way it would make us look better. But it's not a game I plan on watching. :p

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 03:13 PM
Awesome game where either Carolina or UK has to lose-- Check

Carolina loses -- Check

A recruit Roy LOST tears him up -- Check

Carolina looks clueless and yes, unathletic, while getting smashed in the mouth on network tv --Check

Kentucky loses overwhelming lead -- Check (We get to watch KY fanbase melt-down over losing this lead -- I'll go out on a limb and say "Check")

All in all, a great way to start the day. That said, I'm really not looking forward to facing either of these teams as they mature-- they are both gonna be tough.

Wall was never offered a scholorship at UNC.

I thought both teams played young, making mental mistakes at key moments.

UNC dug too big of a hole for themselves by letting KY push them around inside. They did play tougher the second half, but KY is strong inside. Very strong.

Not a surprising loss early in the season against a top 5 on the road. KY is very good. I could see them getting it together and winning it all.

Heels are young, but they have the pieces to the puzzle, they just have to put it together. Plenty of time.

I've got to say again I really am impressed with David Wear. He is all over the floor for a big guy and playing smart and strong. He has come in as the most fundamentally sound freshman big man I can think of at UNC.

_Gary
12-05-2009, 03:15 PM
Wall was never offered a scholorship at UNC.

Are you trying to say Roy didn't go after Wall? I'd beg to differ.

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 03:25 PM
Are you trying to say Roy didn't go after Wall? I'd beg to differ.

Yes.

If you don't offer him a scholorship how can that be considered going after him?

He looked at him, but decided against offering him. If he had, from Wall's comments I've seen, it appears Wall would have committed to UNC.

BTW...Just looked at the Box and UNC was 7-13 from the line. Foul shooting bit them, and will again if they don't improve.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 03:25 PM
I've got to say again I really am impressed with David Wear. He is all over the floor for a big guy and playing smart and strong. He has come in as the most fundamentally sound freshman big man I can think of at UNC.

Really? Not Antawn Jamison, not Tyler Hansbrough, but the guy that's scored 17 points on 7-18 shooting on the season and has 9 rebounds in as many games? That guy?

Jumbo
12-05-2009, 03:25 PM
Please refrain from using the "C" word. ;)

Does anyone else miss the way C-Well used to taunt him? Who was the last player we had with C-Well's amount of personality?

airowe
12-05-2009, 03:26 PM
If he had, from Wall's comments I've seen, it appears Wall would have committed to UNC.

You have got to be kidding me.

trinity92
12-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Agreed on all fronts Wheat, but Roy did at least recruit Wall hard, and at this point, we're gonna take that :rolleyes:

Duvall
12-05-2009, 03:30 PM
Does anyone else miss the way C-Well used to taunt him? Who was the last player we had with C-Well's amount of personality?

Ndotsmitty.

Bob Green
12-05-2009, 03:34 PM
If played UNC today, we would be hurting inside . . . our bigs have to develop FAST!

Carolina's frontcourt is very strong. However, I remain less than impressed with their guard play. Larry Drew II is playing pretty good he is the only one. Will Graves is one dimensional and Strickland looks lost on the court.

Therefore, if we played Carolina today, they would have an advantage inside and we would have an advantage on the perimeter.

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 03:50 PM
Really? Not Antawn Jamison, not Tyler Hansbrough, but the guy that's scored 17 points on 7-18 shooting on the season and has 9 rebounds in as many games? That guy?

Yep, that guy.

We're talking fundamentals of the game here. Watch D. Wear next game. Look at his defense, blocking out, passing, hands, putting it on the floor, shooting touch, mixing it up under the boards, etc...He's doing everything well, if not one thing exceptional for a 6'10" 235lb big guy.

I didn't consider Jamison as a "Big Guy", but probably should. Although he was not as big as DW as a freshman. I did consider Hansbrough, but I think DW has better fundamentals than he did, just not as quick or strong as Hans.

FerryFor50
12-05-2009, 04:28 PM
Yep, that guy.

We're talking fundamentals of the game here. Watch D. Wear next game. Look at his defense, blocking out, passing, hands, putting it on the floor, shooting touch, mixing it up under the boards, etc...He's doing everything well, if not one thing exceptional for a 6'10" 235lb big guy.

I didn't consider Jamison as a "Big Guy", but probably should. Although he was not as big as DW as a freshman. I did consider Hansbrough, but I think DW has better fundamentals than he did, just not as quick or strong as Hans.

Wear definitely travels a lot less than TH.

slower
12-05-2009, 04:32 PM
Yep, that guy.

We're talking fundamentals of the game here. Watch D. Wear next game.

We might watch him a maximum of 2-4 more times this year. :D

BlueintheFace
12-05-2009, 04:53 PM
...already a thread on the game

dukestheheat
12-05-2009, 05:03 PM
Right now, both teams look pretty strong, particularly with their inside games. Wall is Wall.

Next year the (hated) 'holes are going to be NBA scary good and Wall will be in the pros.

GO DUKE!

still: Carolina delendo est.

dukestheheat.

weezie
12-05-2009, 06:32 PM
Wall didn't even break a sweat. He's an alien from a planet known as Basketball.
Geesh, he's scary good.

weezie
12-05-2009, 06:35 PM
I say the 'cats, by 12.


Ooops!!! Typo, I meant 2 :D

Saratoga2
12-05-2009, 06:36 PM
He has a lot going for him but today made a ton of freshman mistakes. Wall is really superior and lightning quick. I don't see him as being all that heady at this point in his career, but he is a freshman. Would Scheyer force the ball in a high risk situation with the game close in the last few minutes?

kong123
12-05-2009, 07:01 PM
maybe he would if he was a freshman.....

Wall is a rare talent. Had he ended up in CH, they maybe the best team in the nation.

FireOgilvie
12-05-2009, 07:22 PM
maybe he would if he was a freshman.....

Wall is a rare talent. Had he ended up in CH, they maybe the best team in the nation.

If Wall landed at almost any school in the top 10 right now, we could say that (including Duke). He turns the ball over too much right now, though.

flyingdutchdevil
12-05-2009, 07:25 PM
It's the baby cats vs the baby heels. Interesting...

Prediction: most interesting stat of the game? Combined turnovers > 40

So close. They had 36 turnovers combined! :p

Azdukefan
12-05-2009, 08:22 PM
He looked at him, but decided against offering him. If he had, from Wall's comments I've seen, it appears Wall would have committed to UNC.

I know I am not going to get much love for saying this but will anyway. I think Wheat is correct on this one (Wall would have gone to UNC had they offered). In fact, I think Wall entertained Duke just so that UNC would think twice about whether or to recruit him. Roy had gone on record as saying that he will not talk with an AAU coach and for that he needs to be commended. The aftermath of Wall sitting two games showed that Roy was on to something and not the used car salesman most of us make him out to be. While K>Roy, Roy does not = Cal.

Wheat continues to be a valuable contributor on this board. In fact, I like his knowledge so much that I am going to open my arms and welcome him to the right side of the rivalry. If he chooses correctly, he will be rewarded with the best program in the country. If not then he can join those who like to wear that god forsaken color and GTHC! The choice is yours buddy!

roywhite
12-05-2009, 08:34 PM
I know I am not going to get much love for saying this but will anyway. I think Wheat is correct on this one (Wall would have gone to UNC had they offered). In fact, I think Wall entertained Duke just so that UNC would think twice about whether or to recruit him. Roy had gone on record as saying that he will not talk with an AAU coach and for that he needs to be commended. The aftermath of Wall sitting two games showed that Roy was on to something and not the used car salesman most of us make him out to be. While K>Roy, Roy does not = Cal.

Wheat continues to be a valuable contributor on this board. In fact, I like his knowledge so much that I am going to open my arms and welcome him to the right side of the rivalry. If he chooses correctly, he will be rewarded with the best program in the country. If not then he can join those who like to wear that god forsaken color and GTHC! The choice is yours buddy!

It's academic at this point, but I've seen nothing to indicate that John Wall "would have" chosen UNC. There simply is no solid evidence of that and it is purely speculation of the woulda/coulda/shoulda type.

John Wall had a close long-standing relationship with John Calipari, and as best as I can tell, that is why he chose Kentucky. John Wall did not have a close long-standing relationship with Roy Williams.

UNC is plenty tough enough, without adding "woulda" players to their hypothetical roster.

mapei
12-05-2009, 08:37 PM
I have to say that I really enjoyed watching that UK team today, before Wall cramped up. He and Patterson are both exciting players, and their interior defense was amazing. I agree with someone above that Wall's cramps were what allowed UNC back in the game; otherwise I think UK would have won by 15 or so.

SMO
12-05-2009, 08:48 PM
maybe he would if he was a freshman.....

Wall is a rare talent. Had he ended up in CH, they maybe the best team in the nation.

I think you could say that about several teams. He could put a number of top teams over the top.

Kimist
12-05-2009, 08:50 PM
The CBS commentators today made some statement along the lines of Ole Roy said that "the pieces of the puzzle" would not have suited Wall playing at unc.

Is that double-talk, CYA, or something a bit more sinister at play?

As for today's outcome, I guess since one team had to win it was much better for same to be the wildkittens....

k

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 09:11 PM
I know I am not going to get much love for saying this but will anyway. I think Wheat is correct on this one (Wall would have gone to UNC had they offered). In fact, I think Wall entertained Duke just so that UNC would think twice about whether or to recruit him. Roy had gone on record as saying that he will not talk with an AAU coach and for that he needs to be commended. The aftermath of Wall sitting two games showed that Roy was on to something and not the used car salesman most of us make him out to be. While K>Roy, Roy does not = Cal.

Wheat continues to be a valuable contributor on this board. In fact, I like his knowledge so much that I am going to open my arms and welcome him to the right side of the rivalry. If he chooses correctly, he will be rewarded with the best program in the country. If not then he can join those who like to wear that god forsaken color and GTHC! The choice is yours buddy!


Thanks for the invite, but actually I already consider myself a Duke fan. However. I also consider myself a much bigger UNC fan.

That may seem a little oxymoronic...or maybe i'm just a moron:)

I grew up a life long UNC fan, and rest assured, that will never change.

This is probably only possible without the baggage of attending either institution.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 09:18 PM
The CBS commentators today made some statement along the lines of Ole Roy said that "the pieces of the puzzle" would not have suited Wall playing at unc.

Is that double-talk, CYA, or something a bit more sinister at play?

Just another case of the Mayberry* Machiavelli smearing a player at another school.

*Okay, Asheville. Fine.

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 09:27 PM
There were a couple of plays in todays game, little plays, that got my attention and I'm curious if anybody else noticed them.

2nd half I think, UNC had the ball in the half court...Henson recieved it on the the wing and was dribbling to the top of the key when a defender flashed out and cut off his dribble. With out missing a beat, he dribbled it between his legs and reversed the dribble. It was the sort of moment that you see a PG or a 2g make all the time, but not so often from a player as long as Henson. D. Wear had a similar play as well.

I remember thinking these guys can handle for big guys...

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 09:31 PM
Just another case of the Mayberry* Machiavelli smearing a player at another school.

*Okay, Asheville. Fine.

Roy has been very comlimentary about John Walls talents. And Wall has been very complimentary discussing Roy.

For those that followed the entire Wall recruitment from afar...It was obvious that Roy liked Wall, but refused to deal with Wall's, coach, handler, street agent...whatever you want to call him, Brian Clifton.

Duvall
12-05-2009, 09:35 PM
Roy has been very comlimentary about John Walls talents.

On the record, perhaps. But Kellogg and Eagle had to be prompted by something.

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 09:53 PM
On the record, perhaps. But Kellogg and Eagle had to be prompted by something.

From the pre-game press conference...

Can you elaborate a little bit on how far along you got in your recruitment of John Wall?
RW-“Not a lot. Meaning, not a lot that I'm going to elaborate because not all recruiting has to be public. Some things it is still ok in the world to be private. I had a conversation with John, he visited [and] a couple of things happened immediately after that that made me make the decision not to go any further. I loved him as a player. I've gone on record as saying I thought he was the best point guard prospect I've seen in high school basketball since Jason Kidd. I thought he would have been a great player for us, but things just didn't fit - some shoes don't fit.

“The whole scenario was a difficult one because I loved him to death and tried very hard to recruit him earlier. I think he came over to one or two football games and we left tickets two or three times for him to come over to a basketball game and some things happened and he never did come. That was during his junior year, I guess. And I’m not positive, so make you put in ‘I guess.’ The last couple of days we’ve seen people pull things out just to make their own story, regardless of whether it was the truth or not. Then the week of the Final Four I had a conversation with him - that was his senior year - and I think that's the only phone conversation I had with him..."

SMO
12-05-2009, 09:58 PM
The last couple of days we’ve seen people pull things out just to make their own story, regardless of whether it was the truth or not.

The slamfest on Roe continues. Let it go Roy, let it go. It's OK to act like a grown man.

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 10:13 PM
The last couple of days we’ve seen people pull things out just to make their own story, regardless of whether it was the truth or not.

The slamfest on Roe continues. Let it go Roy, let it go. It's OK to act like a grown man.

Pretty sure he was talking about Wall's recruitment and the stories there...

SMO
12-05-2009, 10:17 PM
Pretty sure he was talking about Wall's recruitment and the stories there...

You sure? What were people making up regarding Wall & UNC if, like you said, there was never serious interest from UNC?

dukelifer
12-05-2009, 10:29 PM
Wall didn't even break a sweat. He's an alien from a planet known as Basketball.
Geesh, he's scary good.

He is scary fast- when he gets a head of steam- he is tough to handle. He is not a great shooter- and that will hamper him at the next level. That game was very frenetic- but UK would have lost it on the road. That team is good but very fragile. While UNC is getting better- it is hard to imagine that they will probably live and die on the outside shooting of Will Graves and Marcus Ginyard.

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 10:30 PM
You sure? What were people making up regarding Wall & UNC if, like you said, there was never serious interest from UNC?

I don't recall ever saying there was not any serious interest, I just said that Roy never offered him a scholorship. And there were lots of stories surounding Wall and UNC, along with Duke, KY and just about everyone else.

This might help you get caught up...The Epic John Wall Thread (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12233&highlight=john+wall)

Wheat/"/"/"
12-05-2009, 10:46 PM
That team is good but very fragile.

I was thinking pretty much the same thing looking at all the different expressions from KY players today...

dukemsu
12-06-2009, 02:46 AM
For someone who says recruiting does not have to be public, Roy certainly talks about it a lot. He is so disingenuous it is hilarious. He does have an awfully good team though. Neither team could put together very consistent stretches of solid play, but there was a lot of talent on that floor. When under control, Wall is just awesome. And the Heels legion of bigs is ridiculous. Too early to tell much for.March, but both should go a long way.

oldnavy
12-06-2009, 07:32 AM
I don't recall ever saying there was not any serious interest, I just said that Roy never offered him a scholorship. And there were lots of stories surounding Wall and UNC, along with Duke, KY and just about everyone else.

This might help you get caught up...The Epic John Wall Thread (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12233&highlight=john+wall)

As much as I like to slam Roy, I have to agree with Wheat on this one. My belief is that there is a history and bad blood between Roy and Clifton, and Roy wouldn't deal with Clifton so he just just cut off the recruitment. I dislike Roy for a number of reasons, but this is not one of them.

MChambers
12-06-2009, 07:56 AM
For someone who says recruiting does not have to be public, Roy certainly talks about it a lot. He is so disingenuous it is hilarious. He does have an awfully good team though. Neither team could put together very consistent stretches of solid play, but there was a lot of talent on that floor. When under control, Wall is just awesome. And the Heels legion of bigs is ridiculous. Too early to tell much for.March, but both should go a long way.

Right, Roy says it's not public, but then babbles on for two long paragraphs and says it "wasn't a good fit." He really wants it both ways, doesn't he?

TNDukeFan
12-06-2009, 08:07 AM
Sorry if I'm being repetitive - I searched the board first. Ol' Roy said this about Wall: "In Roy Williams' coaching time, he's the best point guard out of high school since Jason Kidd."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=4716719

We've got a Ricky Henderson situation on our hands.

jipops
12-06-2009, 10:54 AM
Sorry if I'm being repetitive - I searched the board first. Ol' Roy said this about Wall: "In Roy Williams' coaching time, he's the best point guard out of high school since Jason Kidd."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=4716719

We've got a Ricky Henderson situation on our hands.

Roy still stays true to form in his 3rd person reference.

arnie
12-06-2009, 11:16 AM
For someone who says recruiting does not have to be public, Roy certainly talks about it a lot. He is so disingenuous it is hilarious. He does have an awfully good team though. Neither team could put together very consistent stretches of solid play, but there was a lot of talent on that floor. When under control, Wall is just awesome. And the Heels legion of bigs is ridiculous. Too early to tell much for.March, but both should go a long way.

I prefer to refer to Roy as dishonest rather than disingenuous. Of course he has the entire media lapping up his drivel. Roy thinks he is king of the world and his relationship with the media reminds me of Tiger's - pre Thanksgiving 2009.

dynastydefender
12-06-2009, 12:34 PM
I said the same thing pretty much to my wife. As a Duke fan and a fan in general, I know we have rivals which we tend to root against when playing other teams but at times may root for, for whatever reason (UNC in this case). But there are some teams I cannot get myself to root for b/c a certain disdain for the team, players, coaches, fans, etc. (UK in this case - UConn falls into this category for me as did UNLV back in the day), even if playing my fav teams chief rival. Like you said Jumbo, I respect the UNC program, Ole Roy and the vast majority of players and to me that trumps the dirtieness of UK...I fell dirty talking about them...LOL

That's a real shame considering the objectivity I have come to respect on this board. Read my profile. I root for Duke ONLY when they play UNC. There you all go with the dirtiness comment again. Remember Laetner deliberately stepped on our player (Timberlake) and Coach K recognized that..then refused to take him out of the game. If K wasn't the coach at Duke right now I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

davekay1971
12-06-2009, 12:40 PM
Thanks for the invite, but actually I already consider myself a Duke fan. However. I also consider myself a much bigger UNC fan.

I grew up a life long UNC fan, and rest assured, that will never change.

This is probably only possible without the baggage of attending either institution.

Very true. When I applied to college I ranked Duke number 1, UNC number 2. Had Duke not taken me, I would certainly be as big a Tarheel fan and Duke (would have spelled it the Chapa Heeya way for humor's sake, but the board put the wanker comment on me for trying) hater as I am now a Duke fan and 'Hole hater. I grew up an ACC fan, growing up in Silver Spring, MD and pulling for the great Terp teams of the early and mid 80s, raised by a NCSU grad mom and pulling for the Pack, and generally just liking and appreciating the great basketball programs at UNC and Duke. It wasn't until I arrived at Duke that I began to develop my currently healthy (or unhealthy, depending on your POV) hatred for the pastel blue.

Indoor66
12-06-2009, 12:44 PM
...hatred for the pastel blue.

I think I noticed a misspelling. Shouldn't that be "pasty" blue? :confused:

davekay1971
12-06-2009, 12:46 PM
I think I noticed a misspelling. Shouldn't that be "pasty" blue? :confused:

pastel, pasty, weak, inferior, washed out, faded, watered down...they all work. :D

dynastydefender
12-06-2009, 12:46 PM
He is scary fast- when he gets a head of steam- he is tough to handle. He is not a great shooter- and that will hamper him at the next level. That game was very frenetic- but UK would have lost it on the road. That team is good but very fragile. While UNC is getting better- it is hard to imagine that they will probably live and die on the outside shooting of Will Graves and Marcus Ginyard.

I'll use a quote from a local radio show in Fayetteville to counter the above post.

"Apologists do not solve problems. They confuse them."

Kfan4Life
12-06-2009, 12:47 PM
It was such a vicious stomp. The least K could have done was pay for the medical bills. Maybe even throw in a little money for the pain and suffering.

Indoor66
12-06-2009, 01:03 PM
It was such a vicious stomp. The least K could have done was pay for the medical bills. Maybe even throw in a little money for the pain and suffering.

Especially for the surgery to wipe the s>>> eating grin of his face as he got up and ran down the court....:eek:

davekay1971
12-06-2009, 01:17 PM
What the Laettner stomp has turned into in KY...

http://ui27.gamespot.com/538/gowwallpaper5_2.jpg

slower
12-06-2009, 02:40 PM
Read my profile. I root for Duke ONLY when they play UNC.

why don't you do everybody a favor and go away now and come back for the Duke-UNC game (if you must)?

allenmurray
12-06-2009, 02:57 PM
That's a real shame considering the objectivity I have come to respect on this board. Read my profile. I root for Duke ONLY when they play UNC. There you all go with the dirtiness comment again. Remember Laetner deliberately stepped on our player (Timberlake) and Coach K recognized that..then refused to take him out of the game. If K wasn't the coach at Duke right now I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

It was so sad when they had to carry Timberlake off on a stretcher. Oh, that's right, they didn't have to, because he jumped right up.

It was a dumb thing for Leattner to do and he rightfully got a techical (which could have cost his team the game given how close it was). The officials could tell there was no intent to injure (as evidenced by Timberlake jumping right up) - it was posturing, pure and simple. He was deserved a a technical, which he got. Let it go.

JG Nothing
12-06-2009, 03:05 PM
At 3:00 pm on December 6, There are 161 comments about the unc/UK game and only 84 about Duke/St. Johns. WTF?

Duvall
12-06-2009, 03:11 PM
At 3:00 pm on December 6, There are 161 comments about the unc/UK game and only 84 about Duke/St. Johns. WTF?

There are also at least four other threads about the St. John's game.

Bostondevil
12-06-2009, 03:13 PM
The Shot and to a lesser extent, The Stomp, chased away any residual hate I had for Kentucky left over from the heartbreak of '78. I have enjoyed some of Kentucky's teams through the years. They had Pitino when I still liked him, I like Tubby Smith. I can't stand Calipari. I turned on the game yesterday just to see what would happen. I'm the kind of sports fan that I can't watch a game, any game, any sport, without picking a team to cheer for. It usually only lasts the length of the game. I don't hate Kentucky but I do hate Calipari. I hate UNC but I love the ACC. Who would I pull for? No contest, Kentucky. I like John Wall and I look forward to him playing in the future. I like Bledsoe too. I'll join in the chorus of expressing my gratitude to John Wall for picking a team outside the ACC if he wasn't going to pick Duke.

Thank you, dynastydefender, for pulling for Duke when they play the Heels. I've returned the favor. What I really hope for your program though is that the eventual mess that will come from that particular coaching deal with the devil comes sooner rather than later, better to get it behind you. Then go hire, oh, I don't know, Capel? Dawkins? Amaker? (Strange but true stories, I think Amaker is happy at Harvard. I know Harvard is happy with Amaker, and then some.)

New team I have decided to hate though, for a variety of reasons, and because somebody needs to hate them. Wake Forest. You want to harp on The Stomp. I still say Chris Paul's maneuver on Julius Hodge is the worst/lowest blow/most egregious intentional cheap shot we've ever seen in college basketball. I can't watch Chris Paul play without thinking about it. So, I'm already not a Chris Paul fan. C'mon, jump on the 'I Hate Wake Forest' bandwagon. It will be confusing, won't it? I think that will be a large part of the fun.

Bostondevil
12-06-2009, 03:15 PM
Oh and dynastydefender? When Pitino took the Louisville job, I started hating him. You just don't do things like that! I root against Louisville because of it.

Wheat/"/"/"
12-06-2009, 03:53 PM
At 3:00 pm on December 6, There are 161 comments about the unc/UK game and only 84 about Duke/St. Johns. WTF?

The UNC/KY game was pretty interesting?

The Duke/St Johns game, not so much. I mean, how many posts can you expect saying Duke's inside game needs work? ;)

And about the Laettner "stomp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwYVTB2rZw)". I've always got a good laugh over KY fans whinning about that. Laettner was just being the "Richard" he was so good at.

Ky fans are just being whiny little whimps every time they bring it up like it was some dastardly event. He got his deserved T. Does anyone, anywhere really think he should have been kicked out of the game for it? Really?

Newton_14
12-06-2009, 08:15 PM
The UNC/KY game was pretty interesting?

The Duke/St Johns game, not so much. I mean, how many posts can you expect saying Duke's inside game needs work? ;)


Men's Basketball: Big Men Shine in Duke Win
http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=204844826

Newton_14
12-06-2009, 08:27 PM
And about the Laettner "stomp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AwYVTB2rZw)". I've always got a good laugh over KY fans whinning about that. Laettner was just being the "Richard" he was so good at.

Ky fans are just being whiny little whimps every time they bring it up like it was some dastardly event. He got his deserved T. Does anyone, anywhere really think he should have been kicked out of the game for it? Really?

Now this is the part where we agree. What a crock. He gave the guy a love tap and was being an arse in the process. The fact that Timberlake had drilled Grant Hill and Laettner in the 5 minutes preceding that still did not justify it. Very stupid move and very much deserved a tech. And people conveniently forget that K ripped him for it. But it certainly was not a dirty attempt to hurt or injure anyone.

I agree with BostonD in that the Chris Paul punch to Jule's "jewels" was one of the dirtiest plays I have witnessed.

dynastydefender
12-20-2009, 02:30 PM
Now this is the part where we agree. What a crock. He gave the guy a love tap and was being an arse in the process. The fact that Timberlake had drilled Grant Hill and Laettner in the 5 minutes preceding that still did not justify it. Very stupid move and very much deserved a tech. And people conveniently forget that K ripped him for it. But it certainly was not a dirty attempt to hurt or injure anyone.

I agree with BostonD in that the Chris Paul punch to Jule's "jewels" was one of the dirtiest plays I have witnessed.

All the UK haters in this thread can tune in to ESPN Dec. 21 at 7:00 p.m. UK wins their 2000th game. Then you can hate all you want. Merry Christmas.

:)

airowe
12-20-2009, 02:33 PM
All the UK haters in this thread can tune in to ESPN Dec. 21 at 7:00 p.m. UK wins their 2000th game. Then you can hate all you want. Merry Christmas.

:)

Where do we tune in when all the wins from this season get vacated? :cool:

dynastydefender
12-20-2009, 02:36 PM
Where do we tune in when all the wins from this season get vacated? :cool:

Hey that was funny.......Trust me...I am keeping my fingers crossed that Cal doesn't make that happen.

Reminds me of Eddie Sutton being hired back in the day and then he messed it up for UK. If College Basketball is cyclical then here we go again.

moonpie23
12-20-2009, 03:00 PM
when the UK victory over UNC gets vacated, both teams will have lost..


drinks on me...