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BKBucky
11-30-2009, 07:51 PM
Badger fan here. I'm looking forward to you guys coming to the Kohl Center in Madison this year. Feel free to come over to our independent board for some conversation about the game, Tokoto, etc.

buckyville (http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3)

Here is a preview that one of our posters does before each game: Duke Pre-Game Analysis (http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/25004)

SilkyJ
11-30-2009, 07:59 PM
Badger fan here. I'm looking forward to you guys coming to the Kohl Center in Madison this year. Feel free to come over to our independent board for some conversation about the game, Tokoto, etc.

buckyville (http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3)

Here is a preview that one of our posters does before each game: Duke Pre-Game Analysis (http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/25004)

Thanks, Bucky and welcome.

Good pre-game analysis by your colleague, though I would call Robbie Hummel a Kyle Singler clone with a slightly inferior game off the dribble as opposed to the reverse :)

I am not an insider but Nolan Smith Tweeted that Mason Plumlee would be back for this Wednesday's game, just FYI (given another comment your colleague made).

Normally I would agree that our offensive rebounding rate will dip against you guys. I'm not as familiar with this UW team as compared to those past, but obviously Bo's teams are known for their ability and discipline on the defensive glass. That said, look at what we did against a UConn team that was as big as us (and supposedly more athletic): we had 18 offensive boards. Looking at your lineup, you guys don't seem to have a tremendous amount of size so that would be a wild card area in my mind.

phaedrus
11-30-2009, 07:59 PM
The preview says we are extremely athletic!

But I'm not sure how much weight to give that, coming from a Wisconsin fan.

BKBucky
11-30-2009, 08:02 PM
The preview says we are extremely athletic!

But I'm not sure how much weight to give that, coming from a Wisconsin fan.
Wisconsin fans have an uncanny ability to see athleticism despite skin color.

Our bigs, like the Plumlees, are white AND athletic (weird, right?).

BKBucky
11-30-2009, 08:05 PM
Thanks, Bucky and welcome.

Good pre-game analysis by your colleague, though I would call Robbie Hummel a Kyle Singler clone with a slightly inferior game off the dribble as opposed to the reverse :)

I am not an insider but Nolan Smith Tweeted that Mason Plumlee would be back for this Wednesday's game, just FYI (given another comment your colleague made).

I also agree that our offensive rebounding rate will dip against you guys. I'm not as familiar with this UW team as compared to those past, but obviously Bo's teams are known for their ability and discipline on the defensive glass.
Yeah. Bo sacrifices fast break opportunities to crash the defensive glass. On the other end of the court, he sacrifices offensive boards to take away transition opportunities.

SilkyJ
11-30-2009, 08:06 PM
Yeah. Bo sacrifices fast break opportunities to crash the defensive glass. On the other end of the court, he sacrifices offensive boards to take away transition opportunities.

Good point. Note that I edited my comment slightly. This will be an area to watch IMO.

G man
11-30-2009, 08:07 PM
That looked pretty good! I thought this was well done! It should be a good game I think we win by less than 10

Eternal Outlaw
11-30-2009, 08:20 PM
Badger fan here. I'm looking forward to you guys coming to the Kohl Center in Madison this year. Feel free to come over to our independent board for some conversation about the game, Tokoto, etc.

buckyville (http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3)

Here is a preview that one of our posters does before each game: Duke Pre-Game Analysis (http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/25004)

The poster who did the preview has an awesome looking blog also.

FireOgilvie
11-30-2009, 08:21 PM
I respect Wisconsin's program, but I really don't think their style of play matches up well against us. They don't have the talent this year that they have had in previous years either. If this game was at Duke, I think we'd beat them by 30+, but since they always play well at Kohl, I'll say we win by ~20.

Newton_14
11-30-2009, 08:21 PM
Badger fan here. I'm looking forward to you guys coming to the Kohl Center in Madison this year. Feel free to come over to our independent board for some conversation about the game, Tokoto, etc.

buckyville (http://buckyville.yuku.com/forums/3)

Here is a preview that one of our posters does before each game: Duke Pre-Game Analysis (http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/25004)

Welcome and thanks for the post. I enjoyed the write up and found it to be spot on. Like SilkyJ the only correction I would make is Hummel is a poor man's Singler. Not knocking Hummel, he is a fine player. I just feel Singler is a notch above.

But most of all, it was very refreshing to read an opponents opinion of Duke without one single ounce of hate in the write up. I applaud that and I have found new respect for at least 2 Wisconsin fans!

I always pull for Wisconsin when I am watching them play on TV as well, as long as they are not playing one of our ACC brethren. With the exception of course of UNC at Chapel Hill. Feel free to beat them as often as possible!

It should be a great game. And we do hope to have Mason back for at least a few minutes anyway. He and his brother are both athletic but have different styles. Miles is the elite jumper with great strength, Mason has more length and has a better face up game than Miles. Both are great shot blockers..

Thanks for coming over and posting.

phaedrus
11-30-2009, 08:31 PM
Tell us more about Wisconsin. We've seen your upperclassmen play. Are there freshmen or sophomores we should watch for?

dukemsu
11-30-2009, 08:35 PM
I've watched quite a bit of UW over the years, admittedly I've only seen them once this year.

This game is not a mismatch by any means. The Badgers play their game no matter what opponent they draw-they play the Swing offense and really tight D. They also place a special emphasis on drawing charges. They won't be goaded into playing anyone else's style, and the Kohl Center is an absolute snakepit.

However, they have a major matchup problem with Singler, and that should be the difference. I would expect Jon to do his usual lockdown bit on Hughes. Bohannon is a sneaky shooter who can drain a few threes in succession.

I would guess the game is a 4-5 point affair until late, when Duke pulls away on free throws when the Badgers are forced to foul.

Keep an eye on Ryan-he's a pretty entertaining coach to watch. He works the refs on every single trip, and in an animated fashion.

dukemsu

Billy Dat
11-30-2009, 08:56 PM
The thing that stands out from the last match-up is Taylor King stroking all those 3s. I seem to remember K greeting Coach Ryan after the game, basically laughing and shruging as if to say, "Yeah...I told him to do that."

That was a nice write-up on the Badger fan site, very Ken-Pom-centric.

The consensus over there seems to focus on their agile, sharpshooting big men. Sounds like Zoubek will be chasing guys around the 3 point line. Maybe Kelly gets a chance to show his defensive chops? Also sounds like MP2's debut is going to involve some serious perimeter D.

With that being said, watch the backcourts make the difference. Their #1 and #3 scorers are the starting backcourt (Hughs and Bohannon putting up 25ppg between them)

Here's a cool little animation of the Swing offense for those interested in seeing the rudimentary structure
http://www.jes-basketball.com/animated/poffenseswingwisconsinswing.html

devilboomer
11-30-2009, 09:13 PM
"And then there's Kyle Singler, a Robbie Hummel clone that's more talented off the dribble."

I threw up a little in my mouth when I read that.

NYDukie
11-30-2009, 09:18 PM
I've watched quite a bit of UW over the years, admittedly I've only seen them once this year.

This game is not a mismatch by any means. The Badgers play their game no matter what opponent they draw-they play the Swing offense and really tight D. They also place a special emphasis on drawing charges. They won't be goaded into playing anyone else's style, and the Kohl Center is an absolute snakepit.

However, they have a major matchup problem with Singler, and that should be the difference. I would expect Jon to do his usual lockdown bit on Hughes. Bohannon is a sneaky shooter who can drain a few threes in succession.

I would guess the game is a 4-5 point affair until late, when Duke pulls away on free throws when the Badgers are forced to foul.

Keep an eye on Ryan-he's a pretty entertaining coach to watch. He works the refs on every single trip, and in an animated fashion.

dukemsu

I also expect this game to be closer than some may anticipate. Wisconsin year after year has solid teams without the name recognition that play tough, tight defense with a disciplined offense to balance their team out. In addition, they seems to always play physical, yet clean brand of basketball. Though I think this will be a "grind" type of game in a hostile environment (I mean this in a good way as their fans will be LOUD and into the game all night long), I believe Duke will have more scoring options within its Big 3 and be able to offset the Badgers physicality with our own. I do expect either Dawkins or Mason (assuming he is a go) to make a important contribution in some manner either during a spurt of some sort or overall contributions to help be the deciding factor. Just a gut feeling there. In the end, Duke by about 8-10 points going away in the final few minute of a hard fought game.

wisteria
11-30-2009, 09:23 PM
I'm looking forward to see Kyle breaking out of his funk, Andre lighting it up, LT continuing his aggressiveness, MP2 blocking a number of shots, and of course, a solid victory~~~

dukemsu
11-30-2009, 09:49 PM
"And then there's Kyle Singler, a Robbie Hummel clone that's more talented off the dribble."

I threw up a little in my mouth when I read that.

This is the one spot where the writer was off. Kyle and Hummel aren't particularly alike. Kyle is more of an attack the bucket player while Hummel would prefer to hang on the perimeter. Both players are really solid, strong, mean players, which may be where the writer was going with the comparison.

dukemsu

COYS
11-30-2009, 10:08 PM
This is the one spot where the writer was off. Kyle and Hummel aren't particularly alike. Kyle is more of an attack the bucket player while Hummel would prefer to hang on the perimeter. Both players are really solid, strong, mean players, which may be where the writer was going with the comparison.

dukemsu

Also, Kyle totally owned Hummel in the head to head matchup last year.

Newton_14
11-30-2009, 10:42 PM
That "silly" style has won them a lot of games over the years. I am certainly not expecting a blowout on Wednesday. I do feel Duke will play well and likely win by 7 or 8 points, but I would be shocked if this game was not a hard fought battle most of the way.

devilboomer
11-30-2009, 11:20 PM
I agree that Duke is a superior team compared to Wisconsin, but I wouldn't underestimate Wisc @ the Kohl Center. All it takes is a bad shooting night for Duke and great execution by Wisconsin.

Take Michigan @ Crisler arena last year. Clearly, we were the better team (we beat them @ MSG), and then they executed well against us at home and took the W. And the Kohl Center is 10x more of a homefield advantage than Crisler.

airowe
11-30-2009, 11:30 PM
I know they don't run exactly the same system, but Arizona State did a really good job of slowing the game down and not allowing much in the way of penetration in our half court set. Hopefully, someone more up on Wisconsin basketball can help me out here, but do their bigs have the ability to deny the entry passes that come from our high post, semi-motion offense? I know little about Wisconsin other than Hummel and Ryan, somebody help me out here.

If, as the Bucky poster noted, Ryan likes to sacrifice transition defense and offense in favor of rebounds, it would seem a great time for Nolan and our other guards to flash out and run a :eek: secondary break. Hopefully our bigs can be up to the task on the glass and provide us with some quality outlet passes for some nasty dunk shots.

dukemsu
11-30-2009, 11:37 PM
I know they don't run exactly the same system, but Arizona State did a really good job of slowing the game down and not allowing much in the way of penetration in our half court set. Hopefully, someone more up on Wisconsin basketball can help me out here, but do their bigs have the ability to deny the entry passes that come from our high post, semi-motion offense? I know little about Wisconsin other than Hummel and Ryan, somebody help me out here.

If, as the Bucky poster noted, Ryan likes to sacrifice transition defense and offense in favor of rebounds, it would seem a great time for Nolan and our other guards to flash out and run a :eek: secondary break. Hopefully our bigs can be up to the task on the glass and provide us with some quality outlet passes for some nasty dunk shots.

Michigan State had some success going high-low against UW last year with Suton and Roe. Their lone returning big, Lauer, is one of the better defenders they've had there. Some of them (Butch, in particular) tended to be jump shooters first, second, and third. Lauer can move pretty well and is good at drawing fouls on both ends.

Look out for flops. Seriously. The Badgers often fall as if they've been shot upon contact at all positions.

dukemsu

shetownbucky
12-01-2009, 12:10 AM
I'm going to ignore brsett's posts for the sake of good conservation.

Sorry I apparently offended some of you guys by comparing Singler with Hummel. I was trying to convey that he was better, mainly by his driving ability, and honestly wanted to write that Hummel was a poor man's Singler but didn't want to spend the time to find a way of wording it well.

As for more about Wisconsin, here's a write-up I did for our non-conference foes that don't know our team well...

Starters
G – 6’0” SR Trevon Hughes (14.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.8 SPG)
- Your typical senior point guard… great court vision, can penetrate at will and dish or finish, and is a streaky 3-point shooter (34% in career). He’s also one of the Big Ten’s better perimeter defenders. 32 minutes per game.

G – 6’2” SR Jason Bohannon (11.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.2 APG, 39% 3PT)
- Team’s 3-point specialist. Shot a poor (for him) 37% last season with streaks of extremes, which was attributed to too much playing time giving him tired legs. Okay defender but can be taken advantage of by significantly quicker opposition. Never in foul trouble. 34 minutes per game.

F – 6’6” JR Tim Jarmusz (4.0 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.0 APG)
- Versatile player who’s probably our best wing defender and most fundamentally sound player. On offense, he’s a 3-point threat, but not much else. Great rebounder for his size and takes care of the ball. 25 minutes per game.

F – 6’8” JR Keaton Nankivil (8.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 56% 2PT)
- Great inside/outside threat. Can post up well and hit jumpers from 15-22 feet. Great rebounder, especially offensively, and decent post defender. Was a tentative player the last two seasons but has become more aggressive this season. 26 minutes per game.

F – 6’10” JR Jon Leuer (13.8 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.2 BPG, 1.0 SPG, 64% 2PT)
- One of those guys that was a shooting guard but then grew 8 inches in 2 years. He’s a very talented player on offense if he’s hitting threes (only 29% last season), but can take slower bigs off the dribble on the perimeter or overpower smaller, quicker defenders in the post. He has a tendency to fall in love with 3s though. He’s an okay rebounder and serviceable, but improving, on defense. 25 minutes per game.


Bench
G – 6’1” SO Jordan Taylor (6.6 PPG, 2.8 APG, 3.5 A/TO Rate)
- Great distributing point guard but hasn’t shot very well so far in his career (26% overall and 19% from 3 on limited attempts last season). Extremely strong and good quickness makes him a great defender. 20 minutes per game.


F – 6’6” RS FR Ryan Evans (3.8 PPG, 3.2 RPG)
- Pure athleticism off the charts and an energy guy. He’s raw offensively and can’t be relied on to make a jumper, but gets hustle/garbage points and dunks. Gifted shot blocker and rebounder. Could challenge Jarmusz for the designated defensive stopper role. 14 minutes per game.

F – 6’6” FR Mike Bruesewitz (2.0 PPG, 3.3 RPG)
- Real heady player that is a jack of all trades. He rebounds well, plays good defense, and will get some hustle baskets. 11 minutes per game in 4 games (missed 1st game while considering redshirting).

G/F – 6’4” SO Rob Wilson (2.8 PPG)
- Should be a scoring punch off the bench. He can slash, post up, and shoot from outside and is fearless (Tried to dunk over UConn’s Thabeet twice, got fouled both times). Average perimeter defender. 8 minutes per game due to the other 3 guards playing so well.

F/C – 6’10” RS FR Jared Berggren (1.3 PPG)
- Good post player on both sides of the ball, but unlike the other 2 bigs, he can’t stroke it from the perimeter. 7 minutes per game in 4 games.


Offense
The Badgers are a very disciplined offensive team. They don’t turn the ball over and hunt for great shots, whether one appears 5 seconds into the shot clock or 34. They played at one of the slowest paces last season (60 possessions), but will push the ball more this season with the senior guards and probably play at a pace about average for all D-1 teams (65-66 possessions). Their offense is predicated on bigs being able to shoot from outside and guards being able to post up, although the latter part has faded with time. It’s a 4 out, 1 in offense with elements of flex, motion, UCLA, and Princeton offenses within it. They don't crash the boards in favor of preventing transition baskets. Here’s few more links on it…
Coaching Blog's Breakdown (http://coachingbetterbball.blogspot.com/2007/10/wisconsin-swing-offense-breakdown.html)
Bill Raftery Analysis (http://coachingbetterbball.blogspot.com/2008/12/espn-analysis-of-wisconsins-swing.html)
ESPN Studio Analysis (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3224993&categoryid=null)


Defense
Wisconsin is strictly a man-to-man defense with a good deal of weak-side help. They don’t force a lot of turnovers, get many steals, or get many blocks. The one thing they really excel at year in and year out is defensive rebounding, but this sacrifices transition opportunities.

Sir Stealth
12-01-2009, 12:14 AM
Thanks for the info. Always liked Wisconsin in both basketball and football (my experience at the 1994/5 Hall of Fame Bowl excluded). Looking forward to the game - will be good to see how Duke does in a tough road environment this early.

airowe
12-01-2009, 12:16 AM
Thanks for the info Bucky! I see a lot of similarities...

It seems we'll have a height advantage at nearly every position on the floor. Whether we can use that to our advantage or not remains to be seen. I'm excited about this game and think it will be competitive throughout.

Does Ryan typically play his bench deep?

Faustus
12-01-2009, 12:17 AM
Thanks, Bucky. Spectacular write-up. I'm sure it will be a great game and good luck in the BigTen this season. Has Duke ever played in Madison? I don't believe they have.

Kedsy
12-01-2009, 12:18 AM
I'm going to ignore brsett's posts for the sake of good conservation.

Starters
G – 6’0” SR Trevon Hughes (14.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.8 SPG)
G – 6’2” SR Jason Bohannon (11.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.2 APG, 39% 3PT)
F – 6’6” JR Tim Jarmusz (4.0 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.0 APG)
F – 6’8” JR Keaton Nankivil (8.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 56% 2PT)
F – 6’10” JR Jon Leuer (13.8 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.2 BPG, 1.0 SPG, 64% 2PT)

That's a whole lot of experience in Wisconsin's starting lineup.

Faustus
12-01-2009, 12:18 AM
(P.S. Wow, I've never been the "victory cigar" before.)

airowe
12-01-2009, 12:19 AM
That's a whole lot of experience in Wisconsin's starting lineup.

We could do the same,

SR Jon Scheyer
JR Nolan Smith
JR Kyle Singler
SR Lance Thomas
SR Brian Zoubek

shetownbucky
12-01-2009, 12:28 AM
Thanks for the info Bucky! I see a lot of similarities...

It seems we'll have a height advantage at nearly every position on the floor. Whether we can use that to our advantage or not remains to be seen. I'm excited about this game and think it will be competitive throughout.

Does Ryan typically play his bench deep?

He'll probably play 9 or all 10 of the guys mentioned, although the 9th and 10th guys may not get to 10 minutes. It really all depends on the match-ups Bo wants. He always plays to have a defensive advantage rather than an offensive one, so although we had a lot of 3-guard line-ups in Maui, I doubt it happens against you guys.

And while you guys have a height advantage, Jarmusz, Nankivil, and Evans are really long for their heights, and having stood near Jarmusz and Evans, they are both closer to 6'8" than 6'6", but for whatever reason they aren't listed as such. It should be interesting to see how we box out on Zoubek. Despite some limitations, one thing is for sure, the guy is a beast on the offensive glass.

shetownbucky
12-01-2009, 12:32 AM
That's a whole lot of experience in Wisconsin's starting lineup.

It's how our program reloads to stay in the top 25. Get 4 year guys that will be all-conference caliber players as seniors, but barely play or redshirt as freshman. Next season our starters will be 3 seniors and 2 juniors. Then probably 2 seniors and 3 juniors again, unless our 2010 recruits are better than advertised.

flyingdutchdevil
12-01-2009, 06:27 AM
But most of all, it was very refreshing to read an opponents opinion of Duke without one single ounce of hate in the write up. I applaud that and I have found new respect for at least 2 Wisconsin fans!


Absolutely! I was amazed to see that was from a Badger fan! Wow - I'm liking Wisconsin more and more. That had to be one of the most unbiased posts I have ever read in college basketball.

Hats off to these Badgers - they seem like great fans.

whereinthehellami
12-01-2009, 09:02 AM
Thanks Badger fans for the info. Very informative. UW is a tough environment and they have alot of experience with their starters. But if Duke brings their A game, the Blue Devils should roll. This will be another good guage of Duke's toughness and will, as the Devils won't get anything easy Wed night.

Neals384
12-01-2009, 10:28 AM
Defense
Wisconsin is strictly a man-to-man defense with a good deal of weak-side help. They don’t force a lot of turnovers, get many steals, or get many blocks. The one thing they really excel at year in and year out is defensive rebounding, but this sacrifices transition opportunities.

And also quoting from the Badger board:

"My expectations:

1. The Badgers grab 67% or more of the rebounding opportunities on defense. Duke has been rebounding 41% of their misses. However I think they have had this success due to smaller, less disciplined opponents. This stops against Wisconsin."

Uh, Duke clobbered Connecticut on the boards. Wisconsin got out-bounded by Gonzaga, for heaven's sake.

One other thing - in Maui, only six Badgers played more than about 10 minutes.

Prediction: Duke's tough, physical style wears them down for an 18 point win.

Neal

Kedsy
12-01-2009, 11:19 AM
We could do the same,

SR Jon Scheyer
JR Nolan Smith
JR Kyle Singler
SR Lance Thomas
SR Brian Zoubek

I know we could, but that usually isn't our starting lineup. Those five will see time together, however, and then we will have a whole lot of experience on the floor. Which is good.

I think the fact that we have three seniors and two juniors in the rotation is one of the reasons we have (so far) exceeded many people's expectations. Experience is no replacement for talent, but in college basketball having a lot of upperclassmen in your lineup is worth a great deal.

shetownbucky
12-01-2009, 11:36 AM
And also quoting from the Badger board:

"My expectations:

1. The Badgers grab 67% or more of the rebounding opportunities on defense. Duke has been rebounding 41% of their misses. However I think they have had this success due to smaller, less disciplined opponents. This stops against Wisconsin."

Uh, Duke clobbered Connecticut on the boards. Wisconsin got out-bounded by Gonzaga, for heaven's sake.

One other thing - in Maui, only six Badgers played more than about 10 minutes.

Prediction: Duke's tough, physical style wears them down for an 18 point win.

Neal

Neal, I knew everything that you just stated when I wrote that. UConn isn't a disciplined rebounding team, they rely on their superior length and athleticism... but if they run into a team that has decent height and plays smart, they'll lose on the boards. And your guys were actually below their season average on the offensive boards that night, grabbing 39%, instead of their average 41%. It's a better way to evaluate a team's rebounding ability since it removes external factors such as shooting percentage and pace.

Sure, Gonzaga had more rebounds, but Wisconsin still grabbed 74% of the rebounds available on the defensive end.

What I'm saying in that prediction is that if Duke misses 30 shots, they will have 10 or less offensive rebounds. They could out-rebound Wisconsin 100-20 and I'd still be right as long as 10 or less of those 100 were offensive.

Lastly, I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers for our rotation. Nine guys played 10 or more minutes against Arizona, and a 10th played 9 minutes. Seven guys played 10 or more against Gonzaga and an 8th played 8 and a 9th played 7. And finally against Maryland 8 played 10 or more with another 2 guys combining for 5 minutes. So Bo Ryan plays the depth when and at which position that he needs to. It varies game to game due to match-ups, foul trouble, playing the hot hand, etc. We may play 10 deep against Duke, we may play 7.

Wisconsin is an elite defensive rebounding team every season. So far this season, they have grabbed 74.8% of the rebounding opportunities on defense. That's good for 14th all of Division 1. They have finished the previous 6 seasons at an average rank of 24 in that category, including three top 10 finishes.

BADGERdevil
12-01-2009, 01:06 PM
UW is a tough environment and they have alot of experience with their starters.

The home record certainly makes it look like it’s a tough environment, but the Kohl Center is pretty sterile and quiet. It will be at its best for the Duke game, but even a loud Kohl probably doesn’t compare to many of the places Duke goes regularly since Duke always gets a crowd’s best (or worst, in the case of Maryland). Talk to a Michigan State fan and they’ll tell you the home record is as good as it is because we have the refs on our athletic department’s payroll.

Really looking forward to this game. An older sibling went to Duke, so I’ve been a fan for a long time (hence the handle). The game shouldn’t be the blowout it was two years ago, but I worry about Duke pressuring the perimeter on defense—that’s something that frustrates our guards and leads to trouble when we play more athletic teams. If we have to run our offense 25-30 feet from the basket, that’s big trouble. Taking care of the ball, as it always is, will be key for Wisconsin.

Duke’s skill and athleticism will be tough for Wisconsin to stop. The size of your guards scares me, too. But hey, at least Taylor King won’t be draining threes on us all night.

The hope from the Wisconsin perspective is that Leuer and Nankivil can draw the Duke bigs out a little bit and open things up for Hughes to create.

Hopefully it’ll be close and come down to the last couple of possessions. Should be fun.

CDu
12-01-2009, 01:09 PM
Uh, Duke clobbered Connecticut on the boards. Wisconsin got out-bounded by Gonzaga, for heaven's sake.

UConn has actually not been a very good rebounding team this year. They were outrebounded by Colgate and Hofstra and only outrebounded William and Mary by one. Outrebounding UConn was nice, but it's not a clear sign that we'll dominate Wisconsin on the offensive glass by any means.

Troublemaker
12-01-2009, 01:26 PM
The consensus over there seems to focus on their agile, sharpshooting big men. Sounds like Zoubek will be chasing guys around the 3 point line. Maybe Kelly gets a chance to show his defensive chops? Also sounds like MP2's debut is going to involve some serious perimeter D.


This really is the key to the game, imo. If Mason had been healthy all along, he and LT almost certainly would've gotten the bulk of the frontcourt minutes at the 5 and 4. But, first game back, it's hard to say.

I do feel a lot better about guarding Leuer with the Mason option available. Leuer is a very tough matchup. Tall enough to shoot over Lance or Kyle but also too quick for Z or Miles.

I feel good about our defensive matchups against their guards.

Welcome to the boards, Badger fans. Thanks for the interesting and civil discussion about your team.

airowe
12-01-2009, 01:41 PM
Starters
G – 6’0” SR Trevon Hughes (14.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 2.0 APG, 1.8 SPG)
- Your typical senior point guard… great court vision, can penetrate at will and dish or finish, and is a streaky 3-point shooter (34% in career). He’s also one of the Big Ten’s better perimeter defenders. 32 minutes per game.

G – 6’2” SR Jason Bohannon (11.2 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.2 APG, 39% 3PT)
- Team’s 3-point specialist. Shot a poor (for him) 37% last season with streaks of extremes, which was attributed to too much playing time giving him tired legs. Okay defender but can be taken advantage of by significantly quicker opposition. Never in foul trouble. 34 minutes per game.

F – 6’6” JR Tim Jarmusz (4.0 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.0 APG)
- Versatile player who’s probably our best wing defender and most fundamentally sound player. On offense, he’s a 3-point threat, but not much else. Great rebounder for his size and takes care of the ball. 25 minutes per game.

F – 6’8” JR Keaton Nankivil (8.4 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 56% 2PT)
- Great inside/outside threat. Can post up well and hit jumpers from 15-22 feet. Great rebounder, especially offensively, and decent post defender. Was a tentative player the last two seasons but has become more aggressive this season. 26 minutes per game.

F – 6’10” JR Jon Leuer (13.8 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.2 BPG, 1.0 SPG, 64% 2PT)
- One of those guys that was a shooting guard but then grew 8 inches in 2 years. He’s a very talented player on offense if he’s hitting threes (only 29% last season), but can take slower bigs off the dribble on the perimeter or overpower smaller, quicker defenders in the post. He has a tendency to fall in love with 3s though. He’s an okay rebounder and serviceable, but improving, on defense. 25 minutes per game.




This really is the key to the game, imo. If Mason had been healthy all along, he and LT almost certainly would've gotten the bulk of the frontcourt minutes at the 5 and 4. But, first game back, it's hard to say.

I do feel a lot better about guarding Leuer with the Mason option available. Leuer is a very tough matchup. Tall enough to shoot over Lance or Kyle but also too quick for Z or Miles.



NAME GM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
Trevon Hughes 5 32.0 14.2 4.8 2.0 2.6 1/1.3 1.8 0.6 3.0 .393 .682 .333 1.16
Jon Leuer 5 25.4 13.8 4.6 1.6 1.4 1.1/1 1.0 1.2 2.4 .537 .769 .100 1.28
Jason Bohannon 5 33.6 11.2 3.8 2.2 1.6 1.4/1 0.6 0.8 2.2 .410 .938 .391 1.44
Keaton Nankivil 5 25.8 8.4 6.4 1.0 1.4 1/1.4 0.8 1.6 2.2 .417 .688 .091 1.17
Jordan Taylor 5 20.4 6.6 1.2 2.8 0.8 3.5/1 0.2 0.2 1.4 .429 .462 .333 1.18
Tim Jarmusz 5 24.8 4.0 4.6 1.0 1.4 1/1.4 0.2 0.0 1.2 .368 1.000 .308 1.05
Ryan Evans 5 14.4 3.8 3.2 0.8 1.0 1/1.3 0.4 0.4 1.8 .389 .571 .500 1.06

They may be talking about it on Wisconsin Boards, but I don't see ANY of their bigs being able to shoot the ball from 3-point land. Of their 3 starting bigs over 6'6" only Tim Jarmuz is hitting at above a 30% clip and he only averages 4 points a game. Equate him to Ryan Kelly, only with more minutes played...

We actually match up really well with this team, except we are bigger or equal height at every position. They don't have the firepower to keep up with us so will try to slow it down. THIS is the key to the game in my opinion, how well we can work the ball inside and out in the halfcourt setting and then how well we rebound out of it. We know our defense will be there.

Duke 74
Wisco 63

tbyers11
12-01-2009, 01:55 PM
I'm really looking forward to this game as well. I went to Duke, but I grew up just outside Madison and my sister went to the UW. Can't wait to see Duke-Wisconsin live and in person.




The hope from the Wisconsin perspective is that Leuer and Nankivil can draw the Duke bigs out a little bit and open things up for Hughes to create.



I have a question on the point that you and shetownbucky brought up about the Wisconsin bigs pulling the Duke bigs away from the basket. I know that Leuer has a decent 3pt shot and a very good game facing the basket, but my question is how much of a perimeter offensive game does Keaton Nankivil have? I watched quite a few Badger games last year and don't remember him having much of one. He was 9-14 from 3 last year but that is a pretty small sample size. I've watched the entire Arizona game and parts of the Gonzaga and Maryland games so far this year and didn't really see much of one either and he is 1-11 from 3 this year.

Am I missing something from not seeing all of the Wisconsin games or is projecting a solid perimeter game on any of your bigs apart from Leuer wishful thinking?

Looking forward to a great game. I agree that Wisconsin will neutralize a great deal of Duke's offensive rebounding potential but I think Duke matches up very well defensively with Wisconsin. Singler/Thomas/possibly Mason Plumlee match up very well with Leuer and Scheyer/Smith matchup well with Hughes/Taylor.

airowe
12-01-2009, 02:00 PM
I have a question on the point that you and shetownbucky brought up about the Wisconsin bigs pulling the Duke bigs away from the basket. I know that Leuer has a decent 3pt shot and a very good game facing the basket, but my question is how much of a perimeter offensive game does Keaton Nankivil have? I watched quite a few Badger games last year and don't remember him having much of one. He was 9-14 from 3 last year but that is a pretty small sample size. I've watched the entire Arizona game and parts of the Gonzaga and Maryland games so far this year and didn't really see much of one either and he is 1-11 from 3 this year.

Am I missing something from not seeing all of the Wisconsin games or is projecting a solid perimeter game on any of your bigs apart from Leuer wishful thinking?

Looking forward to a great game. I agree that Wisconsin will neutralize a great deal of Duke's offensive rebounding potential but I think Duke matches up very well defensively with Wisconsin. Singler/Thomas/possibly Mason Plumlee match up very well with Leuer and Scheyer/Smith matchup well with Hughes/Taylor.

I'd like to know where this coming from as well. Nankivil is shooting .091% from 3 point land. Although, he is shooting 56% on 2 pointers, so maybe a lot of those are just inside the arc...

moonpie23
12-01-2009, 02:01 PM
they’ll tell you the home record is as good as it is because we have the refs on our athletic department’s payroll.



please send specific instructions on that....duke legal minds are unmatched, however, it's been difficult to get by that whole "NCAA" thing....

BADGERdevil
12-01-2009, 02:18 PM
They may be talking about it on Wisconsin Boards, but I don't see ANY of their bigs being able to shoot the ball from 3-point land. Of their 3 starting bigs over 6'6" only Tim Jarmuz is hitting at above a 30% clip and he only averages 4 points a game. Equate him to Ryan Kelly, only with more minutes played...

Leuer was 16-54 (29%) last year. Nankivil was 9-14 (64%).

Leuer is much more of a mid-range threat, and he has the ability to take guys off the dribble, which makes him a tough matchup since guarding him usually means either a big who might struggle to stay with him or someone who can’t match his size. He CAN hit the three, but he should probably only shoot it if he has plenty of space.

Nankivil’s already shot 10 threes this year, which is probably a result of both more playing time and him having the green light. He’s streaky, but has really nice form.

So both CAN hit the three, but neither with much success so far this year (combined 2-21, I believe). Still, you can’t leave either one open on the perimeter and the fact that they’ve already shot 20+ between them means Bo Ryan is confident they can shoot it.

BKBucky
12-01-2009, 02:21 PM
I'd like to know where this coming from as well. Nankivil is shooting .091% from 3 point land. Although, he is shooting 56% on 2 pointers, so maybe a lot of those are just inside the arc...
Nankivil has a nice stroke from the perimeter. He is shooting a horrid percentage this year, but that is an extremely small sample coming mostly from a glorified high school gym in Maui. The more telling stat is that Bo Ryan is allowing him to attempt over 2 three pointers per game. Nankivil did hit 5 three pointers in a game against Purdue last year.

Nankivil and Leuer will not rise and shoot if tightly guarded, but both are more than capable of knocking down open three pointers. Leuer can also put the ball on the floor and get to the rim or pull up for a mid-range jumper. I would expect both to end up shooting about 30-35% from three this year.

shetownbucky
12-01-2009, 02:26 PM
I'd like to know where this coming from as well. Nankivil is shooting .091% from 3 point land. Although, he is shooting 56% on 2 pointers, so maybe a lot of those are just inside the arc...

Nankivil seems almost automatic on 18 footers on the baseline, and he takes probably at least 2 of them a game. He has a great jump shot... the threes just haven't fallen yet for him or Leuer... or the rest of the team for that matter. This team had been shooting 24% from 3 before going 10 of 22 against Maryland. And the returning players shot 36% last season, so we figure the shooting will come around.

airowe
12-01-2009, 02:32 PM
Nankivil seems almost automatic on 18 footers on the baseline, and he takes probably at least 2 of them a game. He has a great jump shot... the threes just haven't fallen yet for him or Leuer... or the rest of the team for that matter. This team had been shooting 24% from 3 before going 10 of 22 against Maryland. And the returning players shot 36% last season, so we figure the shooting will come around.


Nankivil has a nice stroke from the perimeter. He is shooting a horrid percentage this year, but that is an extremely small sample coming mostly from a glorified high school gym in Maui. The more telling stat is that Bo Ryan is allowing him to attempt over 2 three pointers per game. Nankivil did hit 5 three pointers in a game against Purdue last year.

Nankivil and Leuer will not rise and shoot if tightly guarded, but both are more than capable of knocking down open three pointers. Leuer can also put the ball on the floor and get to the rim or pull up for a mid-range jumper. I would expect both to end up shooting about 30-35% from three this year.


Leuer was 16-54 (29%) last year. Nankivil was 9-14 (64%).

Leuer is much more of a mid-range threat, and he has the ability to take guys off the dribble, which makes him a tough matchup since guarding him usually means either a big who might struggle to stay with him or someone who can’t match his size. He CAN hit the three, but he should probably only shoot it if he has plenty of space.

Nankivil’s already shot 10 threes this year, which is probably a result of both more playing time and him having the green light. He’s streaky, but has really nice form.

So both CAN hit the three, but neither with much success so far this year (combined 2-21, I believe). Still, you can’t leave either one open on the perimeter and the fact that they’ve already shot 20+ between them means Bo Ryan is confident they can shoot it.

Thanks for the info, guys. But if that's really you're biggest strongpoint I think Wisconsin is in for a longer night than I thought. I think Trevon Hughes should have a good game, but unless you guys can really disrupt our offense and we are having a "Nankivil-esque" shooting night, this could get ugly. I don't think it will, but it's interesting that you guys are hanging your hat on outside shooting when your whole team is shooting .292% from 3-point land. I'm assuming you were just talking about the midrange jumpers though, right?

DST Fan
12-01-2009, 02:37 PM
Unfortunately, based on the listings at its website, it appears that Cox Communications is carrying MSU v. UNC at 9:00 on ESPN this evening-- at least in its Northern Virginia market.

DukeUsul
12-01-2009, 02:38 PM
It sounds like if these Wisconsin bigs aren't taking outside shots they'll be playing a face-up driving game. I think that's only going to work if they can suck Zoubek out to guard them - which, considering their shooting averages, he'll probably be advised not to. If they're planning to take Kyle, Miles, Mason or Lance off the dribble.... I fear they're going to be disappointed. In my opinion, all four of those fellas are rather mobile and will be able to keep up with a driving big guy. And if not, we have a lot of shot-blocking/charge-taking help defense ready to step up.

I think Nankivil and Leuer playing an outside-in game will only work if 1) they get Zoubek to follow them out and then drive on him drawing a foul or 2) they draw a lot of help defenders on the drive and can dish to a cutter. I hope our coaches are telling our guys to be alert for the cutter and be prepared to fake the help defense and step into the passing lane for the steal.

Duvall
12-01-2009, 02:39 PM
Unfortunately, based on the listings at its website, it appears that Cox Communications is carrying MSU v. UNC at 9:00 on ESPN this evening-- at least in its Northern Virginia market.

How dare they!

Duke plays tomorrow night (Wednesday).

BADGERdevil
12-01-2009, 02:39 PM
Am I missing something from not seeing all of the Wisconsin games or is projecting a solid perimeter game on any of your bigs apart from Leuer wishful thinking?

There is a basis to what we're saying, but there's also a healthy element of wishful thinking.

DukeUsul
12-01-2009, 02:39 PM
Unfortunately, based on the listings at its website, it appears that Cox Communications is carrying MSU v. UNC at 9:00 on ESPN this evening-- at least in its Northern Virginia market.

Our game is tomorrow (12/2).

roywhite
12-01-2009, 02:40 PM
Unfortunately, based on the listings at its website, it appears that Cox Communications is carrying MSU v. UNC at 9:00 on ESPN this evening-- at least in its Northern Virginia market.

Are you suggesting a conflict with a Duke telecast?

UNC plays tonight, Tuesday, and Duke plays Wednesday, also a late game.

Edit: a point also noted by faster-fingered posters above...

Troublemaker
12-01-2009, 02:44 PM
They may be talking about it on Wisconsin Boards, but I don't see ANY of their bigs being able to shoot the ball from 3-point land....

THIS is the key to the game in my opinion, how well we can work the ball inside and out in the halfcourt setting and then how well we rebound out of it. We know our defense will be there.


Yeah, my concern was really their midrange game and not necessarily the 3-pt shot. Wiscy's bigs are good enough shooters to be pick-and-pop options, especially in a comfortable home shooting environment.

But I do agree with you. Duke's primary strength this season with our roster is going to be defense and our season-long goal will be to try and develop ways to become more efficient at putting the ball in the basket. I was looking at it from the perspective of "How is Wisconsin going to score in this game?" I'm very comfortable with our guards being able to shut down theirs, so if our bigs can handle the Badgers' big men and their relatively unique ability to hit from midrange, Duke should enjoy a pretty nice W in the end.

BKBucky
12-01-2009, 03:34 PM
Thanks for the info, guys. But if that's really you're biggest strongpoint I think Wisconsin is in for a longer night than I thought. I think Trevon Hughes should have a good game, but unless you guys can really disrupt our offense and we are having a "Nankivil-esque" shooting night, this could get ugly. I don't think it will, but it's interesting that you guys are hanging your hat on outside shooting when your whole team is shooting .292% from 3-point land. I'm assuming you were just talking about the midrange jumpers though, right?
Either we overstated our claim or you are overstating it.

Three point shooting is certainly a question mark on this team. The only point was that Leuer and Nankivil are capable shooters when left open and that their combined 2 of 22 from deep is not representative of their ability.

Trust me, no Badger fan is "hanging their hat" on the team's outside shooting, but the guys will probably need to shoot it efficiently from three to win tomorrow's game.

BKBucky
12-01-2009, 03:46 PM
Yeah, my concern was really their midrange game and not necessarily the 3-pt shot. Wiscy's bigs are good enough shooters to be pick-and-pop options, especially in a comfortable home shooting environment.

But I do agree with you. Duke's primary strength this season with our roster is going to be defense and our season-long goal will be to try and develop ways to become more efficient at putting the ball in the basket. I was looking at it from the perspective of "How is Wisconsin going to score in this game?" I'm very comfortable with our guards being able to shut down theirs, so if our bigs can handle the Badgers' big men and their relatively unique ability to hit from midrange, Duke should enjoy a pretty nice W in the end.
Our guards are the leaders on this team and Hughes is undoubtedly our best player. You can shut down Bohannon by taking away his three ball, but that obviously weakens the rest of your team defense. Trevon Hughes can score in a variety of ways. It would be very impressive if your guards shut him down.

I'll put it this way. I don't see a way the Badgers can win if these two don't combine for at least 20 points and I think the Badgers have a decent chance to win this ball game.

Indoor66
12-01-2009, 04:02 PM
Our guards are the leaders on this team and Hughes is undoubtedly our best player. You can shut down Bohannon by taking away his three ball, but that obviously weakens the rest of your team defense. Trevon Hughes can score in a variety of ways. It would be very impressive if your guards shut him down.

I'll put it this way. I don't see a way the Badgers can win if these two don't combine for at least 20 points and I think the Badgers have a decent chance to win this ball game.

Ahhh, hope springs eternally.

airowe
12-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Either we overstated our claim or you are overstating it.

Three point shooting is certainly a question mark on this team. The only point was that Leuer and Nankivil are capable shooters when left open and that their combined 2 of 22 from deep is not representative of their ability.

Trust me, no Badger fan is "hanging their hat" on the team's outside shooting, but the guys will probably need to shoot it efficiently from three to win tomorrow's game.

I was going on what Billy Dat said earlier in the thread. I just went and re-read your thread and take back what I said earlier. My bad!

What do you guys know about Tokoto that we wouldn't know out here?

BKBucky
12-01-2009, 04:14 PM
Ahhh, hope springs eternally.
I've never felt like the Badgers were significant underdogs in any game under Bo Ryan at the Kohl Center.

And there have been plenty of scarier teams than the 2009-10 Blue Devils.

Troublemaker
12-01-2009, 04:25 PM
Our guards are the leaders on this team and Hughes is undoubtedly our best player. You can shut down Bohannon by taking away his three ball, but that obviously weakens the rest of your team defense. Trevon Hughes can score in a variety of ways. It would be very impressive if your guards shut him down.

I'll put it this way. I don't see a way the Badgers can win if these two don't combine for at least 20 points and I think the Badgers have a decent chance to win this ball game.

No doubt, the Badger guards are good players. I'm just confident in the defensive ability of Duke's guards, and just as importantly, the ability of Duke's help defense to aid them. I don't mean "shut down" as in the Wiscy guards will be held to ~0 points. Clearly Wiscy counts on Hughes and Bohanon to score and they will get their shots up and end up among your point leaders. I just don't think they'll score very efficiently. Hughes will get by Smith on occasion but he'll be met by Duke's athletic help defenders, and Bohanon will find it very tough to shake Scheyer. Anything can happen, especially at home, but more often than not, Duke's defense will force Wiscy into an inefficient day, I think.

MChambers
12-01-2009, 04:41 PM
No doubt, the Badger guards are good players. I'm just confident in the defensive ability of Duke's guards, and just as importantly, the ability of Duke's help defense to aid them. I don't mean "shut down" as in the Wiscy guards will be held to ~0 points. Clearly Wiscy counts on Hughes and Bohanon to score and they will get their shots up and end up among your point leaders. I just don't think they'll score very efficiently. Hughes will get by Smith on occasion but he'll be met by Duke's athletic help defenders, and Bohanon will find it very tough to shake Scheyer. Anything can happen, especially at home, but more often than not, Duke's defense will force Wiscy into an inefficient day, I think.

Anybody else see similarities between ASU and Wisconsin? Deliberate offenses with experienced guards who can shoot from outside? Pretty solid defensive coaches?

airowe
12-01-2009, 04:50 PM
Anybody else see similarities between ASU and Wisconsin? Deliberate offenses with experienced guards who can shoot from outside? Pretty solid defensive coaches?

What was wrong with that result?

MChambers
12-01-2009, 05:01 PM
What was wrong with that result?

Nothing wrong with the result.

However, it was a darned close game, and it was on a neutral floor. Just saying this could be an agonizing game, both because of the style play and the closeness. Many posters here seem to think Duke won't have mch trouble, but I keep imagining us struggle with the pick and roll.

I know everyone is excited after last weekend, as am I, but don't be surprised if this is a close, ugly game. Don't even be surprised if Duke loses.

Devilsfan
12-01-2009, 05:09 PM
Duke What! Ban the infidel! That four letter word (singular) is not in our dictionaries.

Troublemaker
12-01-2009, 05:29 PM
Nothing wrong with the result.

However, it was a darned close game, and it was on a neutral floor. Just saying this could be an agonizing game, both because of the style play and the closeness. Many posters here seem to think Duke won't have mch trouble, but I keep imagining us struggle with the pick and roll.

I know everyone is excited after last weekend, as am I, but don't be surprised if this is a close, ugly game. Don't even be surprised if Duke loses.

I don't count myself among those posters who think Duke will blowout Wiscy. I just think the Devils will continue to do well the things they've done well all season.

Duke actually covered the point spread in the ASU game, btw, and while we didn't epically destroy them, the outcome as far as victory was never in doubt. I'll take one of those games tomorrow. Duke did well against the pick n roll in the second half against ASU but if that gives Duke some trouble tomorrow, having Mason around should help.

tbyers11
12-01-2009, 07:12 PM
Anybody else see similarities between ASU and Wisconsin? Deliberate offenses with experienced guards who can shoot from outside? Pretty solid defensive coaches?

One big difference I see. Sendek and ASU threw a matchup zone at us most of the game that really seemed to disrupt our offensive flow (especially in the first half). Wisconsin under Ryan has been very good defensively but plays almost strictly man-to-man. Much more familiarity against man-to-man defenses early in the season.

airowe
12-02-2009, 11:16 AM
Game day!

west_coast_devil
12-02-2009, 11:37 AM
Out visiting my folks in Wisconsin....just scored 2 tickets for tonights game from an old friend. Today is a good day!!

BlueintheFace
12-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Big game for Miles... coming up.

Edouble
12-02-2009, 12:13 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/78285342.html

I think it's funny that (at the bottom of the article) Trevon Hughes refers to the ACC/Big Ten Challenge as the "ACC Challenge". It pretty much is at this point. :D

InSpades
12-02-2009, 12:37 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/78285342.html

I think it's funny that (at the bottom of the article) Trevon Hughes refers to the ACC/Big Ten Challenge as the "ACC Challenge". It pretty much is at this point. :D

You could argue that "challenge" is the word that most doesn't belong in "ACC/Big Ten Challenge" (although I guess "ten" could make a pretty good case as well).

bigj4194
12-02-2009, 12:57 PM
I'll be at the game tonight :) and am so very excited!

GO DUKE!

DisplacedBlueDevil
12-02-2009, 01:05 PM
I've never felt like the Badgers were significant underdogs in any game under Bo Ryan at the Kohl Center.

And there have been plenty of scarier teams than the 2009-10 Blue Devils.

Bo is a helluva game time coach. His teams are always tough mentally and physically and play a style of ball Duke isn't used to. I really respect Bo Ryan and his teams and Kohl will be a madhouse. UW has a poor record in the ACC/Big 11 Challenge and has prime time to prove itself this season.

I watched Duke roll into the Breslin Center at Michigan State in 2003 and shut the place down when the Spartans were #4 pre-season. Here's hoping for a similar occurence tonite...looking forward to Bob Knight's analysis.

BADGERdevil
12-02-2009, 01:59 PM
Bo is a helluva game time coach. His teams are always tough mentally and physically and play a style of ball Duke isn't used to. I really respect Bo Ryan and his teams and Kohl will be a madhouse. UW has a poor record in the ACC/Big 11 Challenge and has prime time to prove itself this season.

I think that’s true in the sense that Bo Ryan is a great preparation coach, but he’s not a great in-game coach, nor does he really try to be. His coaching philosophy is to do a few things, and do them really, really well. That’s why you’ll never see him play a zone. Wisconsin only plays man because he’d rather his teams play man REALLY well than to play both zone and man just well.

You’ll also never see him draw up plays on the sidelines and he doesn’t do much in terms of in-game adjustments, even when it seems like the obvious thing to do (tourney games like the one against Carolina in 2005, when Sean May killed us and Ryan refused to try to double him come to mind).

His mantra is to approach every game in the same way, as if it counts just the same. That’s not just lip service, his players attest to his level-headed approach no matter who the opponent and no matter what the situation.

A lot of these things drive Wisconsin fans nuts, even though the program has been so solid under him. They’d like to see him be a little more flexible. But Bo is an old school, stubborn guy and he’s probably not going to change anytime soon.

shetownbucky
12-02-2009, 02:18 PM
That's true. He'll never change the gameplan during a game. It's kinda funny reading that people wonder if we'll finally full-court press (he did in his D3 days when his team would score 95 a game) this upcoming season or play at a faster pace every off-season. It won't happen. He has found his formula to a high level of success and won't tweak it. My only complaint is seemly our inability to land a few big fish in recruiting or upgrade our athleticism to a higher level. It's not like he can't say his system develops NBA talent, because he turned 2 unheralded recruits into an NBA All-Star (Devin Harris) and a 1st Team All-American (Alando Tucker), and an undersized power forward into a SF/SG on the Knicks (Marcus Landry) all in the last 5 years.

BKBucky
12-02-2009, 03:05 PM
Thoughts on tonight (from a Badger perspective):

-Both sides seem to agree that we match up better this year than in years past. I consider this an advantage for the Badgers. Teams like Duke (historically) and Purdue, who focus on disrupting the rhythm of our swing offense are the exact teams that usually give us problems. I don't see the same level of perimeter athletes on your roster this year.

-You guys seem pretty convinced that your front court edge will be a big advantage. I disagree. Bo Ryan teams do an excellent job of fronting the post with weak side help. They'll probably let Zoubek catch it, but will force him about 8-10 feet from the rim. Greg Oden, DJ White, Aaron Gray are among the bigs who Bo's handled very well over the years. I always like our chances against teams with great bigs more than teams with great guards.

-Singler will be a problem. We've had guys over the years to guard someone like him. I'm not so sure about this year's team. Tim Jarmusz (6'6/6'7) will start on him in all likelihood. Tim is a heady, make no mistakes player with average athleticism. The other two guys that seem to match up with Kyle are both freshmen. That scares me.

-Vegas seems to be begging people to bet on the Devils. I like that.

-Badgers can win this game. Hughes and Leuer have to be at least as good as Smith and Plumlee. Our starters need to stay on the court. We need to shoot the three efficiently. The game has to stay close to keep the crowd in it. I don't really care for score predictions, but I'd say Badgers win this game 3-4 times out of 10.

BKBucky
12-02-2009, 03:10 PM
A lot of these things drive Wisconsin fans nuts, even though the program has been so solid under him. They’d like to see him be a little more flexible. But Bo is an old school, stubborn guy and he’s probably not going to change anytime soon.
I think you mean "A lot of these things drive a handful of internet posters nuts" OR "A lot of these things drive opposing coaches, players and fans nuts."

On the whole Bo Ryan's style is loved by the Wisconsin fanbase.

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 08:57 PM
I hope this other game ends early or at least on time.

riverside6
12-02-2009, 09:02 PM
we have tempo-based stats for the Duke game (and all ACC games tonight)...

http://www.scacchoops.com/ViewHDGame.asp?hSchedule=4505

Starters are posted, Smith, Scheyer, Singler, Mi. Plumlee, Thomas

_Gary
12-02-2009, 09:05 PM
I hope this other game ends early or at least on time.

I wouldn't hold my breath at this point. This one is going over the allotted TV time as best I can tell. The best we can hope for now is that it doesn't go into OT.

geraldsneighbor
12-02-2009, 09:06 PM
I hope this other game ends early or at least on time.

What happened? I turned the Clemson game off when they were up 20... they trail by a point with 4 and change left? Wow.

NYDukie
12-02-2009, 09:12 PM
Kept up to speed with most of this thread but what I will look forward to seeing from this Duke team is how they respond to a tough out of conference road game against a team known for holding serve on its court in Wisconsin. I always wished we would play a couple of more tough road games rather than neutral court games (I understand the rationale) similar to this type of game to help with dealing with a anti Duke crowd in a venue they aren't familiar with similar to what they may see in the NCAAs. Yes the NCAAs are neutral courts but usually it always seems like 90% of the crowd is against Duke.

geraldsneighbor
12-02-2009, 09:15 PM
If this Clemson game goes OT I'm going to be pissssssssed.

NYDukie
12-02-2009, 09:17 PM
If this Clemson game goes OT I'm going to be pissssssssed.

Seems to be a common theme right now. At least Illinois missed the FT to make it a odd score, meaning a slightly less chance of OT, hopefully....ughhh a timeout called...come onnnnnnn!!!:D

Coballs
12-02-2009, 09:19 PM
If Clemson-Illinois goes long, I think that espn360.com will show our game...for those of us who can get it.

Coballs
12-02-2009, 09:21 PM
On ESPN360.com right now

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 09:23 PM
GOOD no overtime.

Illinios winsssss


Let's go Duke

Bomar
12-02-2009, 09:28 PM
What the hell was that "shot," LT?!

BlueintheFace
12-02-2009, 09:29 PM
Wiscy can't miss early

Z can't guard their big men

superdave
12-02-2009, 09:30 PM
Wisco on a mission so far.
Should be good test.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 09:30 PM
The offensive does not look good early. Bob Knight spoke the truth about our bigs not putting the ball in the basket recently. We are getting smoked early on.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 09:32 PM
I like the all black look...but Im sorry I am not a fan of the chapel or whatever the graphic is on the back of the jerseys...if it aint broke dont fix it

jipops
12-02-2009, 09:33 PM
There is no defense to speak of being displayed by the black jerseys.

arnie
12-02-2009, 09:35 PM
Brent Musburger is an idiot - but we all knew that. He can't keep two plumlees straight.

superdave
12-02-2009, 09:35 PM
Our defense does look sluggish. K just went to full-court pressure, probably to wake these guys up a bit. LT forced a TO, baby.

Regardless, Wisco is hitting all their shots.

Mason was in for a quick run. Looked fine.

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 09:35 PM
Mason was in. He looked ok i guess.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 09:36 PM
singler looks unstoppable

jipops
12-02-2009, 09:38 PM
This _efense is very discouraging.

Bomar
12-02-2009, 09:38 PM
Singler is looking good, now can we PLEASE get some D?

superdave
12-02-2009, 09:39 PM
singler looks unstoppable

Even the announcers think so! Nice one handed runner in the lane. He seems determined to put MSG behind him.

He set up Miles on a nice one too.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 09:40 PM
Thank God for Kyle right now or we'd be down a bunch. Oh, and lets hope these last couple of plays were the Badgers guards have gotten penetration for easy dish offs isn't a pattern for the night.

NYDukie
12-02-2009, 09:41 PM
Kyle looks comfortable really for the first time this year. I get the feeling that unless his defender is long and super athletic, he may eat up the opponents this year. Again comes to matchups.

I think we need to be patient in this game. Wisconsin at home is a tough one and right now they are on that high. Once the game settles into a nice rthym then Duke will assert its will better. It will be a close game but I still think Duke by 6-8 points.

Brent Musberger's first good point, Wisconsin playing a bit over its head in the scoring department as they are not a 90+ point team which is the pace they currently are on or past.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 09:41 PM
Oh Z. Gosh I want this guy to do well and he keeps missing the bunnies.

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 09:42 PM
Although he missed i like the 3 point jump shot.

FireOgilvie
12-02-2009, 09:43 PM
This is ugly so far on defense. Wisconsin is on fire, but we're also giving them open dunks. Their PG blew by Scheyer and passed it off for an open dunk and then Andre stood there while we were scored on again. Singler is the only one keeping us in it with his 12 points on 5-5 shooting.

superdave
12-02-2009, 09:44 PM
#5 for Wisco has an old school box hairdo, circa 1991. Hadnt seen that in a while.

Devilhawks
12-02-2009, 09:44 PM
Serious question: From which conference are these refs?

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 09:45 PM
is singler goin to miss?

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 09:47 PM
is singler goin to miss?

Hopefully no... well i guess one

superdave
12-02-2009, 09:48 PM
is singler goin to miss?

Nope. Left handed drive and bucket for Kyle.

We are in zone D. So that's zone and full-court in addition to our regular man. Trying to disrupt Wisco's rhythm.

Both Plums in together for the first time.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 09:49 PM
Nice assist from Jon. Wisconsin is getting inside too much, but it's hard to fault Duke when they are also hitting a high percentage of 3's. Right now they are just "hot" and we'll have to weather this storm and hope they come back down to earth a bit.

NYDukie
12-02-2009, 09:51 PM
Yeah, this is the 7th or 8th best team in the Big Ten? And I have a bridge so sell you, too! As usual, Wisonsin underrated.

Anyhow, given how well the Badgers have looked, given that some of it is due to the the lack of defense on our part, I still feel pretty good here weathering the storm this first half and being down 4 points right now.

superdave
12-02-2009, 09:52 PM
If Wisco keeps up this pace, I'll be suprised. We are rght there on the tail of the Badger.

We need Nolan and jon to get going a little bit.

loran16
12-02-2009, 09:57 PM
Jesus Christ they can't miss a shot.

One minor point, vs Maryland in Maui they were on fire in the first half, before cooling off in the 2nd half. Maryland couldn't take advantage. we can.

Cmon guys get this to within 5 by half.

loran16
12-02-2009, 09:58 PM
Serious question: From which conference are these refs?



ACC. Visiting Conference brings its own refs.

lpd1982
12-02-2009, 09:59 PM
Singler getting tired. Time for somebody else to step up.

jpfrizzle
12-02-2009, 10:03 PM
Let's not be too hard on Mason, this is, his first Blue Devil game.

I believe we'll take the Badgers down in the 2nd half.

SCMatt33
12-02-2009, 10:05 PM
Duke really needs to adjust to the refs in the second half. Singler and Scheyer have both been very unsuccessful at drawing fouls ten feet from the bucket. They either need to go into the lane with the drives to get fouled, or step back for jumpers.

jipops
12-02-2009, 10:08 PM
We're very fortunate to be down single digits at the half. If this were a top 25 team this game would probably be over.

I really don't like what I'm seeing on either side of the floor. We're not moving on D and not moving on offense. Everything is one-on-one. Ryan switched defenders on Singler. I would like to see more movement off the ball. Most of all, it would be nice to see guys move their feet on defense. The zone was decent atleast.

geraldsneighbor
12-02-2009, 10:09 PM
I just want to thank the good lord for making Kyle Singler a Blue Devil.

Hermy-own
12-02-2009, 10:09 PM
Our offense is getting there. Right now we have difficulty integrating our bigs as legitimate threats in the offense. But the one play where miles ran a pick and roll, got the bucket and the foul (missed the foul shot) was sweet. The more that we can get out bigs legitimately involved - even if they have to (dare I say it) make a post move, the more room will open up for our guards. At the very least, our guards need open looks on the perimeter, which comes from feeding the ball into the post and then good passing.

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 10:10 PM
I like the way mason is looking out there. I think if you give him a couple more games he can end up being our 5th best player.


Andre is 4th.

aav2aav2
12-02-2009, 10:11 PM
Our bigs are not classic back to the basket big men. They are more fast break / pick and roll big men. Since that is the case, we need to have more fast breaks and give the ball to Nolan in the half court.

FireOgilvie
12-02-2009, 10:12 PM
Nolan Smith has been playing terribly today. He had one good 3, a bunch of bad turnovers, and then a bunch of bad shots (including one, a fade away going toward the side, that miraculously went in).

Nolan is not the problem. He's our 2nd leading scorer. Scheyer, our experienced veteran, only has 4 points and doesn't look good at all on defense or offense. The real problem is that our big men have a combined 4 points (all from Miles). I'm not that surprised, but Mason does not look good coming back from his injury. He is a step slow. I still think we'll win as I don't think Wisconsin can keep up the hot shooting, but we look off so far.

sweetchiba51
12-02-2009, 10:12 PM
the badgers will come down to earth in the second half..

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:13 PM
I like the way mason is looking out there. I think if you give him a couple more games he can end up being our 5th best player.

Andre is 4th.

I agree that we need to give Mason a couple of games to get back into the groove. Once he does I have no doubt he'll be the 4th best player behind our "Big 3" - and Andre the 5th, IMHO.

dukeballer2294
12-02-2009, 10:15 PM
the badgers will come down to earth in the second half..

yes our biggest problem right now is their shooting. yes they were hitting shots but a lot of them were open we need to change that. im not to surprised though how the first half went, first road game in a tough environment, hopefully we pick up our play and pull out a win.

loran16
12-02-2009, 10:15 PM
Nolan is not the problem. He's our 2nd leading scorer. Scheyer, our experienced veteran, only has 4 points and doesn't look good at all on defense or offense. The real problem is that our big men have a combined 4 points (all from Miles). I'm not that surprised, but Mason does not look good coming back from his injury. He is a step slow. I still think we'll win as I don't think Wisconsin can keep up the hot shooting, but we look off so far.

I think Mason's performance is not a surprise. Did we expect him to be ready so well for this game?

I hope K holds out Mason for the 2nd half. He did an okay job, and he saved 2 fouls for our bigs. Now he should sit down and let Zoo, Lance, and Miles play.

That said, yes i can disagree about Smith. Scheyer isn't hitting shots or getting too open, but he's not turning the ball over, and several of smiths' shots have been poor.

Plus Smiths' been beat on Defense. We can't have that if we're going to win this game. If Smith plays well, our bigs get more open and this is a different game.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:15 PM
Frankly, neither Jon nor Nolan has looked all the sharp tonight. But I think Nolan's a bit more "off" than Jon is at this point. I'd have given Andre a little more burn just to see what he could do. Unless I'm mistaken he didn't get much time in the 1st half.

geraldsneighbor
12-02-2009, 10:18 PM
I mean normally your going to be down when the other team dominates the glass the way they did. To have a chance to win is great right now. Let's just hope the Buzzcuts blew their load for this 2nd half. Need Dre and No to look for their shot in this 2nd half..

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 10:19 PM
We need Andre to get open in the second.

Duke4life92
12-02-2009, 10:19 PM
Oh Z. Gosh I want this guy to do well and he keeps missing the bunnies.

I agree,had 4yrs to figure it out.Just don't think he will.Well,Guess there's another thread for this discussion.Let's go duke,get it together in the 2nd half.

lpd1982
12-02-2009, 10:20 PM
Frankly, neither Jon nor Nolan has looked all the sharp tonight. But I think Nolan's a bit more "off" than Jon is at this point. I'd have given Andre a little more burn just to see what he could do. Unless I'm mistaken he didn't get much time in the 1st half.

As FireOgilvie observed Coach K caught Dre watching the game while a player blew past him. You know how quick freshmen see the bench when that happens. If they want to watch, they watch from the bench.

moonpie23
12-02-2009, 10:21 PM
i think that fall is still bothering nolan....he was gimpy for a few plays after that and doesn't seem to be moving smoothly...


hope wisconsin cools off

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:22 PM
As FireOgilvie observed Coach K caught Dre watching the game while a player blew past him. You know how quick freshmen see the bench when that happens. If they want to watch, they watch from the bench.

I understand that, but I've never fully agreed with the quick hook Coach K has often had with freshman after one mistake. I know, I know... I'm not the coach, yada, yada, yada. :p

GLTBD
12-02-2009, 10:23 PM
My nerves can't take this. Let's go Duke!!!!!

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:24 PM
well dukies it looks like yall are our last hope to clinch this acc/eleven challenge

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 10:25 PM
Nice lob dunk!!!

lpd1982
12-02-2009, 10:26 PM
Here we go boys. Let's heat up!

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:26 PM
wisconsin building house of bricks

FireOgilvie
12-02-2009, 10:29 PM
Scheyer is absolutely nowhere to be found so far in this game. Very surprising. He's usually the one player we count on for consistency.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:29 PM
not a duke fan.....but are yall sure these are acc refs....some of these calls are suspect....then again maybe they are acc refs

Son of Mojo
12-02-2009, 10:30 PM
Isn't dribbling above your shoulder carrying the ball? I was always taught it was.........and Hughes has been doing it all game long. If I'm wrong let me know.

loran16
12-02-2009, 10:30 PM
Scheyer just got Mauled. No call. F-ing amazing.

And they continue to make contested or long range 3s. It's freaking ridiculous now. I've not felt this angry since Jimmy Barron last year.

jipops
12-02-2009, 10:31 PM
Wisconsin's offensive sets are very impressive. They're constantly looking for back doors which is opening up good looks from 3. We don't seem to have any answers. The Badgers look like the better team tonight folks.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:33 PM
scheyer says : the bank is open

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:33 PM
I hope everyone realizes that when playing Wisconsin, especially in their building, with any lead they have you can basically double that for simulation against other teams. Right now they have a 9 point lead (thanks to some prayers being answered) and it's like an 18 point lead against many other teams. At least Jon got a break with a badly missed shot banking in.

YourLandlord
12-02-2009, 10:33 PM
Scheyer is absolutely nowhere to be found so far in this game. Very surprising. He's usually the one player we count on for consistency.

don't worry, jumbo said he'll avg 18 a game no problem.

so that will make up for Gary's 9 point lead x 2.

lpd1982
12-02-2009, 10:34 PM
Would somebody wake up Jumbo then.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:34 PM
ok im not understanding these refs they are lettin it get physical on one end...and sort of being ticky tack on another end..on another note is zoubek on scholarship for yall? the team fouls have got to be one-sided...i believe that was wisconsins first foul they were whistled for this half...and about the 4th or 5th they have commited

slower
12-02-2009, 10:35 PM
Most predictable play of the year.

Bluedevil114
12-02-2009, 10:35 PM
Zoubeck is terrible. Alarmingly Unathletic!!

YourLandlord
12-02-2009, 10:35 PM
Would somebody wake up Jumbo then.

he's on his couch, half conscious, mumbling "we have the chance to be special, we have the chance to be special"

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:35 PM
Our 3's are showing up just in time!

slower
12-02-2009, 10:38 PM
ok im not understanding these refs they are lettin it get physical on one end...and sort of being ticky tack on another end..

Isn't that typically how it goes when we play Wisconsin?

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:39 PM
don't worry, jumbo said he'll avg 18 a game no problem.

so that will make up for Gary's 9 point lead x 2.

LOL. Maybe I overstated it a bit. But honestly, you don't want to get too far behind against this team. They really can make small leads look and feel like big ones, especially in the second half of games they play at home. Right now we are well within striking distance, but I wouldn't want to see us fall down by double-digits at this point. That would be a difficult hill to climb with just over 11 minutes left in the game.

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 10:43 PM
Wow... there have been some pretty bad calls the last few times down.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:43 PM
singler is playin unbelievably ...really impressive

slower
12-02-2009, 10:45 PM
I am REALLY getting sick of the look on his face. Give it a freaking rest, dude.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:45 PM
If you ask me, not a one of our guards has been able to keep their guards from driving. Jon's been burned several times now in the 2nd half, but Nolan and Andre have been burned plenty as well. We just can't seem to contain their guards right now.

FireOgilvie
12-02-2009, 10:45 PM
Finally an aggressive move by Scheyer as he drives to the basket and gets fouled. Keep it up!

Also, Lance Thomas is an enigma. He has a double-double last week and looks amazing and then the next game he has 0 pts, 2 rebounds with 9 minutes left.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:45 PM
Wow... there have been some pretty bad calls the last few times down.

they have been consistently bad....all game

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 10:47 PM
Also, Lance Thomas is an enigma. He has a double-double last week and looks amazing and then the next game he has 0 pts, 2 rebounds with 9 minutes left.

You can almost say the same for Zoub. As a matter of fact take away the almost.

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 10:48 PM
What the heck is wrong with Nolan Smith? He seems to keep jacking up bad shots versus looking for an open man and then his D has been basically horrible...or is it just me?

RaineyDevil
12-02-2009, 10:49 PM
no charge? pleeeease

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:49 PM
Jon's just not mentally into this game. He keeps letting his man blow right by him and he's directly cost Kyle a couple of fouls here in the 2nd half. He's got to get it going right now. And the same can be said for Nolan. He'll make a nice drive and basket one time down the floor, then turn right around and force up a poor shot the next time. He's got to pick his spots a bit better. With Andre sitting out by the 3-point line whoever is driving into traffic would be better served to kick it back out to him once his man has collapsed down.

365Duke
12-02-2009, 10:49 PM
ok wth was that??? are they saying kyle was under basket? BS

lpd1982
12-02-2009, 10:49 PM
OK. New Rule. No Blue Planet Video stardom if you don't score in double digits.

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 10:52 PM
Only 5 players have scored. Geesh and Two of them are combined for 9 points. The S boys are having to due it all. SMH

dukeballer2294
12-02-2009, 10:52 PM
we just cant stop hughes

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 10:52 PM
ok wth was that??? are they saying kyle was under basket? BS

that was terrible...they have to be sayin he was under basket cuz he stood there for d**n near three seconds before the foul

loran16
12-02-2009, 10:52 PM
We need to hit every basket from here on or this game is over.

Incidentally, WTF is Mason doing in the game? Mason is cold. He's not completely in it. We're DOWN 8. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR HIM.

This is the time for Smith, Scheyer, and Dawkins to start taking 3s.

jipops
12-02-2009, 10:52 PM
You could bring up every facet of the game and we're getting beat. There is nothing we're doing well. I would like to see us put up a decent fight these last few minutes but I feel like no matter what the outcome looks bleak.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:53 PM
Huge 3 from the Badgers. They are now up 8 with only 6:39 to go. I'm telling you all, that's a bigger lead than it might normally look against other teams. We are going to be hard-pressed to win this one unless our 3's start dropping consistently and their shots stop falling.

slower
12-02-2009, 10:53 PM
I'd be just fine with letting Bob Knight officiate AND call the game.

Bluedevil114
12-02-2009, 10:53 PM
Smith is just confused out on defense tonight. He is allowing his man to drive and shoot wide open 3's. That is called bad defense.

dukemsu
12-02-2009, 10:53 PM
No one-not Jon, not Nolan, not anyone, can stay in front of Hughes. And this is a very difficult building to mount a comeback in. dukemsu

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 10:53 PM
Bad calls...piss poor performance by Duke....at least Singler is back after a bad game against UConn....oh I'll just keep looking for the silver lining...

superdave
12-02-2009, 10:54 PM
Lance Thomas should not be in the game when we are down. We cannot gain ground when playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end, period...end of story.

HB TAYLOR
12-02-2009, 10:54 PM
Thank the good lord this is Thomas and Z's senior year! Absolutely pitiful!

Tom B.
12-02-2009, 10:55 PM
Musberger makes it to the 7:00 mark of the second half before referring to the arena as "The Kohl."

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 10:55 PM
Terrible shot selection by Singler.

loran16
12-02-2009, 10:56 PM
Story of this game right there, Smith gets the ball kicked out to him, passes up the open 3, passes to singler who jacks one up from a foot beyond NBA range.

Just dubm.

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 10:56 PM
No basket interference on that? Sigh...

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 10:57 PM
Terrible shot selection by Singler.

Better than most of the rest of our team....great Scheyer knocks it back out to them....two offensive rebounds and they get a 3...and ball back in their hands....I think this is why I drink....

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:57 PM
Turn out the lights. This party is so over! 11 point lead with less than 5 minutes to go against Wisconsin? Forget about it, folks.

dukemsu
12-02-2009, 10:58 PM
Horrible impatience on offense. This is what the Badgers can do. We are frustrated. dukemsu

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 10:58 PM
Keep the hope alive. Go duke

YourLandlord
12-02-2009, 10:58 PM
Turn out the lights. This party is so over! 11 point lead with less than 5 minutes to go against Wisconsin? Forget about it, folks.

thats like a 22 pt lead.

8 minutes without a field goal.

what happened to all those scoring options we have?

fml.

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 10:59 PM
Better than most of the rest of our team....great Scheyer knocks it back out to them....two offensive rebounds and they get a 3...and ball back in their hands....I think this is why I drink....

Yea I can't fault him too much... he has been carrying the team.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 10:59 PM
Keep the hope alive. Go duke

I admire your faith. Anything is possible, but I'm just not feeling it tonight. Hope I'm wrong and you're right.

jipops
12-02-2009, 10:59 PM
This is total domination. We're outclassed.

The UConn win masked some offensive issues. Wonder if we'll score a fg at all the rest of this game.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:00 PM
musberger: college basketball is such a possession game.....
thanks for that incite dumby of course its a possesion game

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Dawkins can flat out shoot.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Dawkins keeps us breathing - just barely.

lpd1982
12-02-2009, 11:01 PM
I have that Villanovaey feeling in my stomach.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:01 PM
I admire your faith. Anything is possible, but I'm just not feeling it tonight. Hope I'm wrong and you're right.

I watched yall comeback 10 with a minute left at maryland...of course yall had jay williams

Bluedevil114
12-02-2009, 11:01 PM
Dont turn that switch off yet. 6 points down, still possible. Remember the Maryland game......oh yeah we do not have JWill do we?

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:01 PM
I admire your faith. Anything is possible, but I'm just not feeling it tonight. Hope I'm wrong and you're right.

It's only a 6 point lead. Wisconsin went cold earlier in the half. It can happen again... 4 minutes is a long time.

GLTBD
12-02-2009, 11:02 PM
Dawkins keeps us breathing - just barely.

Hopefully this is the spark we needed. Go Duke

slower
12-02-2009, 11:02 PM
I have that Villanovaey feeling in my stomach.

Villanovomit?

Duvall
12-02-2009, 11:02 PM
Total domination?

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:02 PM
I think I'm more disappointed on the effort on the boards than I am with the offensive output. 46% shooting isn't awful.

soccerstud2210
12-02-2009, 11:02 PM
im embarrassed

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 11:02 PM
Dawkins keeps us breathing - just barely.

I'm going to stick with Brooklyn's thought....keep the hope alive Duke!!!

Son of Mojo
12-02-2009, 11:03 PM
Not giving up here. 6 pts. in 3 and a half minutes? Provided we can stop Hughes from doing anything and play smart offense with scores.......it can still be pulled out.

burns15
12-02-2009, 11:03 PM
What happened to the zone? It was working so well....

trinity79
12-02-2009, 11:03 PM
All season long Singler's in an offensive "slump". Then on the night he breaks out the rest of the team falls into one. I guess an optimist might say we'll be awesome if our whole team ever comes to play on the same night.:rolleyes:

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:03 PM
Total domination?

Well they have led the whole game. But I think they're just playing very well and Duke is not.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 11:03 PM
God I love this kid! He is so keeping us in this game!!!

dperjar
12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
Jesus. I love this kid.

soccerstud2210
12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
why did we stray from the zone??? that was so much better for us defensively!

Lulu
12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
I've been waiting for Dawkins all game... what is he? 2-for-2?

...Make that 3 for 3.

Bluedevil114
12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
Dawkins deserves alot more run then he currently gets. We need to set more plays for him much like JJ.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:04 PM
thats crazy to think that Dawkins would still be playin high school ball

FireOgilvie
12-02-2009, 11:05 PM
It's not over and Duke could still come back, but I have to give credit to the Badgers. I thought this would be a blowout. They have been shooting lights out and matching us every time we do anything against them. Their big men suddenly remembered how to shoot against us.

Even if we somehow miraculously win, most of our players should be embarrassed about their play tonight. I've never seen Scheyer look this bad. He's usually Mr. Consistency. Nolan is aggressive, but can't hit anything and is making bad decisions. Singler has decided to start jacking up 30 footers. No one else except Dawkins has done anything of note. The one highlight has been Dawkins. He needs to be playing more. Right now, we need more Andre, less Lance and Mason.

HB TAYLOR
12-02-2009, 11:05 PM
The same story for the past how long....4 years....quick athletic guards beat ours to the lane and our bigs are nonproductive.

_Gary
12-02-2009, 11:05 PM
Jon!!! What the heck was that?

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 11:05 PM
There is a God and I hope he's smiling down on the beloved Blue Devils....but its not looking too good for us.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:06 PM
wow!!!!!

ScreechTDX1847
12-02-2009, 11:06 PM
Andre!!!!

soccerstud2210
12-02-2009, 11:06 PM
holy frick! jwill ish!

_Gary
12-02-2009, 11:06 PM
Andre!!!!!!

BulldogDancer81
12-02-2009, 11:06 PM
Man I freakin' LOVE Andre Dawkins!

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 11:06 PM
Take it back...he's smiling on Dawkins tonight.

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:07 PM
Bo Ryan is a jerk face.

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:07 PM
they should prolly tackle dawkins when he touches ball

lpd1982
12-02-2009, 11:07 PM
FireOgilivie-you called for him man early in the firsthalf!

trinity79
12-02-2009, 11:08 PM
dat's right

Welcome2DaSlopes
12-02-2009, 11:08 PM
Dawkins 4th best devil.


He single handed keeping us in this game.

Although that mason block was sweet.

soccerstud2210
12-02-2009, 11:08 PM
Bo Ryan is a jerk face.

agreed . moron

trinity79
12-02-2009, 11:09 PM
slick :p

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 11:09 PM
Its finishes like this that cause ulcers....I'm going to need to go for a jog down here in foggy Atlanta to calm down at the end of this one

dairedevil
12-02-2009, 11:10 PM
One thing about Duke - I've very rarely seen us with a team that just gave up, no matter how lousy they were playing...they just keep on fighting.. Now it's 37 seconds left and a 2 point game - they still have a chance!

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:11 PM
Wow.... no foul on the Singler drive, but then the ticky tack one on the attempted steal?

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:11 PM
not a good look for singler

trinity79
12-02-2009, 11:11 PM
damn:confused:

dukemsu
12-02-2009, 11:11 PM
Kyle needed one more dribble.

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 11:11 PM
Looks like we're done...two shots

loran16
12-02-2009, 11:11 PM
Conversation with me and a frined:

If we go to singler, he's going to be stuffed.

I hate being right. Shouldve brought smith in, he'd get a better lane and might get fouled.

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:12 PM
Now they're all shocked they got called for one. Be thankful for the breaks you've gotten, Bo.

Lulu
12-02-2009, 11:12 PM
We should not have been looking to get a foul called tonight...

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:12 PM
Wow.... no foul on the Singler drive, but then the ticky tack one on the attempted steal?

i dont think singler got fouled on that drive....but they have made bad calls all game but i dont think that was one of them ....time for a free throw shooting contest

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:13 PM
i dont think singler got fouled on that drive....but they have made bad calls all game but i dont think that was one of them ....time for a free throw shooting contest

It's not even whether he got fouled or not, really... it's that the next whistle prevented a steal when they got all ball.

dukemsu
12-02-2009, 11:14 PM
We aren't getting a call in this building. Not going to happen.

FerryFor50
12-02-2009, 11:15 PM
Got away with a goal tend I think...

Lulu
12-02-2009, 11:15 PM
why did we go for 2?

Carolina_Blue
12-02-2009, 11:16 PM
Got away with a goal tend I think...


i agree ... but probably deserved it

Rudy
12-02-2009, 11:16 PM
Our guys have kept battling. Win lose they've fought hard. Dawkins a big lift. Wisconsin has been impressive. Very discipined, good shooting.

HateCarolina
12-02-2009, 11:16 PM
I agree that he was not fouled on that one....but they missed enough other calls to make it up