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mike88
11-21-2009, 07:31 PM
Does anyone know the record for consecutive assists without a turnover? I would guess Jon is pretty close to it.

The NCAA has only recently been recognizing assist to turnover ratio as an official statistic. Per their record book, the season record for A/T ratio (with a minimum of 3 assists per game average) is 3.66 to 1 (123 assists and 4 turnovers) by Cliff Clinkscales of DePaul in 2008.

I doubt Jon could record less than 10 turnovers this year- he plays too crucial a role in the scoring offense- but his streak so far this year is pretty amazing.

Richard Berg
11-21-2009, 07:36 PM
3.66 to 1 (123 assists and 4 turnovers)
What?

mgtr
11-21-2009, 07:40 PM
not a math major? :D

ice-9
11-21-2009, 07:45 PM
I personally think way too much emphasis is being placed on this zero turnovers thing.

I mean, it's good to have fewer turnovers than more, but zero turnovers usually implies no risk taking: no needling passes, no dribble drivers, no higher risk high low passes, etc.

The stat is kinda like the unemployment rate...a high number is definitely bad, but a low number probably isn't too great either.

El_Diablo
11-21-2009, 07:46 PM
I personally think way too much emphasis is being placed on this zero turnovers thing.

I mean, it's good to have fewer turnovers than more, but zero turnovers usually implies no risk taking: no needling passes, no dribble drivers, no higher risk high low passes, etc.

The stat is kinda like the unemployment rate...a high number is definitely bad, but a low number probably isn't too great either.

No, a low number is great if it's coming from a player who plays as much as Scheyer does. He's making plenty of nice passes. :)

juise
11-21-2009, 07:50 PM
Just to help straighten things out a bit here, Clinkscales is reported to have 34 turnovers during the 2007-2008 season. :)


Edit: I agree that Scheyer should get plenty of credit for not turning the ball over. Someone who averages 7 assists per game handles the ball plenty.

Richard Berg
11-21-2009, 07:59 PM
When I think of unusually high A/T ratios, I think of Squeaky Johnson. Which of course makes me think of the Kentucky upset and the Ronell-to-Donell play.

mike88
11-21-2009, 08:21 PM
Just to help straighten things out a bit here, Clinkscales is reported to have 34 turnovers during the 2007-2008 season. :)


Edit: I agree that Scheyer should get plenty of credit for not turning the ball over. Someone who averages 7 assists per game handles the ball plenty.

My bad on the typo- thanks for the correction. 34 turnovers for the season is still a pretty tough mark to break considering you have to average 3 assists per game to be eligible.

But Jon seems to be off to a great start. Last year, he had 102 assists and 57 turnovers in 37 games. I am guessing he will be better than 2:1 this year; 3:1 would be spectacular.

cspan37421
11-21-2009, 08:50 PM
Doesn't Wojo have the Duke record at 2.5 to 1? (I forget if that's career or season)

Rudy
11-21-2009, 09:19 PM
Lawson's was 3.47 last season.:(

Indoor66
11-22-2009, 08:40 AM
Lawson's was 3.47 last season.:(

And your point is...?

Olympic Fan
11-22-2009, 09:04 AM
Wojo does hold the Duke records for assist/turnover ratio -- both career and single season.

For career, he is at 2.5 to 1 (505 asssts/202 turnovers). Chris Duhon is second at 2.31 to 1. Amaker is at 2.11 to 1; and Bobby Hurley -- who had a lot of tunovers early in his career, but also A LOT of assists -- is at 2.02 to 1.

Those are the only Duke players over 2.0 to 1 ... but keep in mind that assists haven't been an official statistic since the early '70s. The earliest guy on the career list is Bob Bender.

For the single season record, Wojo is first at 3.03 to 1 (176/58 in 1997).

Going into this season, Scheyer had compiled 246 assists and 146 turnovers. That's a solid 1.68 to 1 average. That would be the 8th best career figure in Duke history, except that Scheyer -- with 246 assists in 104 games -- does not meet the minimum standard of 3.0 assists a game.

That's not a problem so far this season -- in four games, he has 22 assists and 0 turnovers. That moves his career total to 268/146. At this pace, he'll not only shatter Wojo's single-season list ... he'll also qualify for the career list.

Of course, he won't maintain this pace -- 22 assists and 0 turnovers is ridiculous. But it is fun to watch while it lasts.