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Gargoyle
09-23-2009, 02:45 PM
In the top 5 for Meighan Simmons

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/Steeles_Simmons_narrows_college_choices_to_five.ht ml

Alive, but only barely, for Chiney Ogwumike

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/player?page=onthetrail&recruitId=63021

Gargoyle
09-23-2009, 07:44 PM
Here is an article rom HoopGurlz about 2010 recruiting.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=4496871

jimsumner
09-23-2009, 09:47 PM
Hoopgurlz's logic eludes me. Duke has four committments. Three are ranked in the top 100 and their average is 18.6. A fourth is not ranked in the top 100 but somehow doesn't bring down the average.

Logic 101, anyone?

Gargoyle
09-24-2009, 08:58 AM
Although it is not immediately obvious, they averaged the rankings for the top 3 for both CT and Duke.

miramar
09-24-2009, 09:27 AM
In the top 5 for Meighan Simmons

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/Steeles_Simmons_narrows_college_choices_to_five.ht ml

Alive, but only barely, for Chiney Ogwumike

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/player?page=onthetrail&recruitId=63021

A combo guard like Simmons would complement this recruiting class perfectly. No matter what it's already a very strong group, but this could become a signature class for Coach P.

sagegrouse
09-24-2009, 09:54 AM
Hoopgurlz's logic eludes me. Duke has four committments. Three are ranked in the top 100 and their average is 18.6. A fourth is not ranked in the top 100 but somehow doesn't bring down the average.

Logic 101, anyone?

Jim:

It's the talent at the top that deserves the attention in ranking classes.

If a program recruits the top three players in the country and then adds a couple of fillers outside the top 100, if it is still the top recruiting program and shouldn't be penalized for the lower-ranking players.

It would rank ahead, for example, of a program that gets players #10, #11, and #12 (which is pretty darn good) and no one else. But a weighted average of the recruiting rankings of the two programs would suggest otherwise.

sagegrouse
'Maybe in my dotage, which arrives the day after tomorrow, I will write a book titled, The Uses and Misuses of Averages'

'Wow! I get to be Art Heyman today! I knew Art back in the day'

jimsumner
09-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Well, if hoopsgurlz wants to assume that only the top three recruits actually matter, I suppose that's a defensible theory. But not one made clear in the article.

Kewlswim
09-24-2009, 03:39 PM
Hi,

For the time Coach P has been at Duke I've heard a lot about her not liking to and not being a very good recruiter. Wouldn't this class coming in 2010 put that notion to bed once and for all?

GO DUKE!

Gargoyle
09-24-2009, 03:52 PM
Here is an article about Pat Summitt's and Van Chancellor's visit with Simmons yesterday with a mention of Duke's visit today:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school_girls_basketball/60895602.html

Turtleboy
09-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Well, if hoopsgurlz wants to assume that only the top three recruits actually matter, I suppose that's a defensible theory. But not one made clear in the article.This seems clear -- bolding mine,


Among the top recruiting classes so far, Duke would have to earn the early nod with its first three recruits averaging a ranking of 18.6 to Connecticut's 31.6.

jimsumner
09-24-2009, 05:46 PM
Let me elaborate. What's not clear to me is why they are using only a top three and throwing out the rest. Is that their standard methodology? Or jury-rigged for this article? Why three instead of two, or four, or why not average everybody? Is it because of the Soviet judges?

Just seems kind of arbitrary to me.

Turtleboy
09-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Let me elaborate. What's not clear to me is why they are using only a top three and throwing out the rest. Is that their standard methodology? Or jury-rigged for this article? Why three instead of two, or four, or why not average everybody? Is it because of the Soviet judges?

Just seems kind of arbitrary to me.I suspect their reasoning is that lesser rated recruits don't make the good ones worse. But the whole idea of averaging is just silly. I would hesitate to even call it methodology.

Gargoyle
10-13-2009, 08:37 AM
Peach State Hoops

http://www.peachstatehoops.com/?p=joppremaccess&sp=myblogs&bdate=101209

is reporting that Clair Watkins has decommitted from Duke and that top 50 prospects Richa Jackson and Chloe Wells will visit this weekend. Peach State indicates that Wells is from NC, but I thought that HoopGurlz had reported that she was transferring back to CA for her senior year.

miramar
10-13-2009, 10:10 AM
Although I don't know the particulars about Clair Watkins' decision, it may be a sign that Duke's recruiting has improved dramatically. She was the first of the four signees, but she is not ranked in the top 100 while the others are 4, 19, and 33. With the talent differentials that exist in WBB, she would probably find a lot more playing time at another school, so I hope she will be successful wherever she ends up.

Since HoopGurlz only looks at the top three recruits, I assume Duke would still have the top ranked recruiting class at the moment:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/espnu100?&season=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncw %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fespnu100%3f%26season%3d2 010

CameronBornAndBred
10-13-2009, 10:51 AM
Although I don't know the particulars about Clair Watkins' decision, it may be a sign that Duke's recruiting has improved dramatically.
I'm thinking the same here...I wonder if it was a mutual agreement? I hope not (on our part, that would look bad), but it is possible she saw the writing on the wall as far as playing time was concerned.

Deslok
10-13-2009, 11:39 AM
The women are a lot of fun to watch, and I hope more people do. But I will say, I try to limit my Duke obsession so that it doesn't completely take over my life. And for the most part, that means I don't follow much in the way of WBB recruiting. But that doesn't mean I don't like hearing good things happening with any Duke squad, even if it were the underwater basketweaving team(which sadly, is apparently under NCAA sanction as they haven't been able to offer any scholarships the last few years).

killerleft
10-13-2009, 03:32 PM
The women are a lot of fun to watch, and I hope more people do. But I will say, I try to limit my Duke obsession so that it doesn't completely take over my life. And for the most part, that means I don't follow much in the way of WBB recruiting. But that doesn't mean I don't like hearing good things happening with any Duke squad, even if it were the underwater basketweaving team(which sadly, is apparently under NCAA sanction as they haven't been able to offer any scholarships the last few years).

It's just as well. Duke hasn't had a really good team since the rules started allowing the two-platoon system, anyway.:o

miramar
10-13-2009, 04:49 PM
It's just as well. Duke hasn't had a really good team since the rules started allowing the two-platoon system, anyway.:o

things have been going downhill since the first women's basketball game in 1896, when Stanford beat Berkeley 2-1 in a 9-on-9 game. Talk about scoring a big basket!

And to think that Coach P has only been able to get 3 commitments for next year. I remember the good old days when WBB teams really knew how to recruit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Smith-College-Class-1902-basketball-team.jpg

BD80
10-13-2009, 05:36 PM
... But that doesn't mean I don't like hearing good things happening with any Duke squad, even if it were the underwater basketweaving team(which sadly, is apparently under NCAA sanction as they haven't been able to offer any scholarships the last few years).

I happen to have a certificate (SSI) in underwater basketweaving. The only certified instructor is in Rochester, Michigan.

Underwater basketweaving was on track to be a revenue-generating sport in the ACC in the 70s, until a dozen tar heel spectators drowned at the inaugural match.

Indoor66
10-13-2009, 06:28 PM
I happen to have a certificate (SSI) in underwater basketweaving. The only certified instructor is in Rochester, Michigan.

Underwater basketweaving was on track to be a revenue-generating sport in the ACC in the 70s, until a dozen tar heel spectators drowned at the inaugural match.

That is true but the only reason they drowned is because the athletic director at the Dump on the Hump directed all the seats be installed underwater for better views. He also piped in applause via underwater speakers to enhance enthusiasm. Only one event was staged and the holes lost.

jesus_hurley
10-13-2009, 06:37 PM
That is true but the only reason they drowned is because the athletic director at the Dump on the Hump directed all the seats be installed underwater for better views. He also piped in applause via underwater speakers to enhance enthusiasm. Only one event was staged and the holes lost.

This, however, did not stop UNC from hanging a banner for their 'championship' season....

JBDuke
10-13-2009, 08:31 PM
Please note that I have deleted tommy's initial post in this thread, which I deemed as a "rational sounding but trolling", as he was just looking to stir the pot. I also deleted a number of responses, although I kept the underwater basketweaving ones, as they didn't directly refer to tommy's post, and also they're pretty darned funny.

Sorry the mods took a while to take care of this. In the future, please bring such posts to our attention by using the "report post" feature.

Gargoyle
10-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Although I don't know the particulars about Clair Watkins' decision, it may be a sign that Duke's recruiting has improved dramatically. She was the first of the four signees, but she is not ranked in the top 100 while the others are 4, 19, and 33. With the talent differentials that exist in WBB, she would probably find a lot more playing time at another school, so I hope she will be successful wherever she ends up.

Since HoopGurlz only looks at the top three recruits, I assume Duke would still have the top ranked recruiting class at the moment:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/espnu100?&season=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncw %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fespnu100%3f%26season%3d2 010

Here is a quote that appeared on the Boneyard (CT message board) today:

"... story.

At first, somebody on a message board reported that Clair Watkins had withdrawn her oral commitment to Duke.

Then the Charlotte Observer reported that Duke had withdrawn the scholarship offer, even quoting Clair's parents to that effect.

There was some confusion and message board debate about this. For Duke to withdraw an offer (sans academic issues or some misbehavior incident) would cast the school and its coaches in an unfavorable light.

It seemed strange that the parents were reportedly quoted as indicating that the scholie offer was withdrawn but that suddenly and magically Clair was in touch with many other schools.

When the dust settled, it finally appeared that the Duke coaches advised Clair very honestly that (based on other recruits coming on board) her playing time would appear to be very limited at Duke.

So it was essentially a parting of the ways by mutual agreement and now Clair looks to go where she will be given some assurance of PT.

Gargoyle
10-15-2009, 03:11 PM
Here is the link to the article:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/1002027.html#Comments_Container

BD80
10-15-2009, 03:29 PM
... When the dust settled, it finally appeared that the Duke coaches advised Clair very honestly that (based on other recruits coming on board) her playing time would appear to be very limited at Duke.

So it was essentially a parting of the ways by mutual agreement and now Clair looks to go where she will be given some assurance of PT.

This is different from Coach Cal at UK how?

sagegrouse
10-15-2009, 03:36 PM
This is different from Coach Cal at UK how?

I think it is different. Here's a well-known example as a comparison. When Dean landed Michael Jordan for UNC, he had already recruited Danny Ferry's older brother (John?) as a guard. He called his father (Bullets GM Bob Ferry) and explained that the son was welcome but was not likely to see much playing time. So, instead, he went to Harvard.

I am not sure whether such situations can be avoided, given the random nature of recruiting decisions by teenagers.

I think it is better to be warned about PT and given the option to come than not to be told and then have much more limited options after enrolment.

sagegrouse

roywhite
10-15-2009, 03:36 PM
This is different from Coach Cal at UK how?

The commitment was oral, and a letter of intent had not yet been signed (I believe the signing period for Women's Hoops is the same as for Men's...approx. 2nd week in November). At UK, some of the roster "adjustments" involved players that were already attending UK on scholarship and those that had signed Letters of Intent to attend the upcoming season.

Still doesn't sound real good.

BD80
10-15-2009, 04:07 PM
The commitment was oral, and a letter of intent had not yet been signed (I believe the signing period for Women's Hoops is the same as for Men's...approx. 2nd week in November). At UK, some of the roster "adjustments" involved players that were already attending UK on scholarship and those that had signed Letters of Intent to attend the upcoming season. ...

AND the UK kids had to give up a year of eligibility to find another scholarship opportunity. I didn't mean to suggest this was as bad as Cal, but that it is not a good thing.

This is why I disagree with those that say that Coach K should "cast a wider net" and offer more scholarships.

chrishoke
10-15-2009, 05:32 PM
Also, in Clair's case there is no pinch for scholarships and a need/push to free up scollies to offer to others. This is a big difference.

Gargoyle
11-01-2009, 03:34 PM
Richa Jackson commits to Duke.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/school?schoolId=150&season=2010&page=briefingroom&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncw %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fschool%3fschoolId%3d150% 26season%3d2010%26page%3dbriefingroom

jimsumner
11-01-2009, 03:42 PM
Richa Jackson committing to Duke is huge. McCallie and staff have put together a monster recruiting class, arguably the best in school history.

Kudos.

chrishoke
11-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Awesome!

roywhite
11-01-2009, 03:50 PM
Richa Jackson committing to Duke is huge. McCallie and staff have put together a monster recruiting class, arguably the best in school history.

Kudos.

Interestingly reminiscent of Coach K's timeline. Difficulty recruiting his first two years---first year was a late start and then near misses in year two. Lots of talk about how he couldn't recruit. Then came the monster class in 1983---Bilas, Jackman, Weldon Williams, Mark Alarie, Johnny Dawkins, and David Henderson. The rest has been history.

Congrats to Coach P; may she have similar success!

CameronBornAndBred
11-01-2009, 03:55 PM
Awesome, thanks much for the update!

killerleft
11-01-2009, 04:35 PM
Great news! Maybe Coach P can get a little break from the "she's not G" crowd, now?

CameronBornAndBred
11-01-2009, 04:46 PM
Great news! Maybe Coach P can get a little break from the "she's not G" crowd, now?
That won't happen until we make a deep run. But she's geting the talent to make it happen.

Duvall
11-01-2009, 04:50 PM
That won't happen until we make a deep run.

Or a run, period.

BD80
11-01-2009, 05:44 PM
Great news! Maybe Coach P can get a little break from the "she's not G" crowd, now?

Texas was in Jackson's Five. So P>G?

miramar
11-01-2009, 05:56 PM
the four recruits are ranked 4, 6, 19, and 33. I was impressed when they got #19 Haley Peters, and I was hoping Duke would follow up with someone in the top ten. I never expected two.

I can certainly understand why Claire Watkins undeclared. The recruiting picture has changed dramatically since her original commitment.

BD80
11-01-2009, 06:07 PM
the four recruits are ranked 4, 6, 19, and 33. I was impressed when they got #19 Haley Peters, and I was hoping Duke would follow up with someone in the top ten. I never expected two. ...

Top ten players are so much more important in the women's game than the men's. A top ten men's player is unlikely to stay more than a year or two. We will get to enjoy this core for FOUR YEARS!

Way to go Coach P! This news is really big for the women's program for years to come.

Gargoyle
11-01-2009, 09:49 PM
Here's the story from HoopGurlz;

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=4614377

CameronBornAndBred
11-01-2009, 09:57 PM
Here's the story from HoopGurlz;

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=4614377
Cool, thanks!

Welcome2DaSlopes
11-01-2009, 10:23 PM
I'm very excited about this. Does anyone know how many more schollys we have left? Espn has us in the running for three more recruits all who have 94 or above ratings.

jimsumner
11-01-2009, 10:35 PM
I believe Duke's attention now will turn to the class of 2011, especially post player Elizabeth Williams.

Gargoyle
11-10-2009, 08:14 AM
is reporting that HoopGurlz #62 Chloe Wells has committed to Duke.

http://www.peachstatehoops.com/?p=jumpoffplus

miramar
11-10-2009, 10:17 AM
That would make two guards and three front court players for this recruiting class. How often do you get a potential starting five coming in, especially all of them ranked?

Now if we only get some good news on Friday we can consider this the best combined recruiting class ever.

MHTorringjan
11-10-2009, 11:37 AM
So, do we only have 5 scholarships available for next year? Because there's still a top 5 recruit who's got us on her list (Kaneisha Horn), and having her come on a 6th scholarship would be ridiculous. Not that we're going to have a fail recruiting class without her, but that would be like the dream recruiting class for next year. ;)

Welcome2DaSlopes
11-10-2009, 09:26 PM
is reporting that HoopGurlz #62 Chloe Wells has committed to Duke.

http://www.peachstatehoops.com/?p=jumpoffplus

Any new update on this? it seems this is the only site reporting the news.

Sixthman
11-10-2009, 11:24 PM
If true, Chloe Wells is a great get. Obviously, tons of talent in this class.

miramar
11-11-2009, 08:53 AM
Any new update on this? it seems this is the only site reporting the news.

Hoopgurlz has picked it up, but I haven't seen anything official.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/school?schoolId=150&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/school%3fschoolId%3d150

CameronBornAndBred
11-11-2009, 10:41 AM
According to the espn site, we have two more "considering" for 2010, one is another PG. Seems like we already have two..but then as long as they can score I'm sure P will work them in somewhere. One of the traits I assume in PG's is that they are quick, so hopefully that means we will have some speed next year as well. 5 verbals so far, the above scholarship question is a good one, how many left?

CameronBornAndBred
11-11-2009, 10:47 AM
So, do we only have 5 scholarships available for next year? Because there's still a top 5 recruit who's got us on her list (Kaneisha Horn), and having her come on a 6th scholarship would be ridiculous. Not that we're going to have a fail recruiting class without her, but that would be like the dream recruiting class for next year. ;)
Espn has Horn's status as undeclared, but when you click on her name, they list her as Verbal to Alabama.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=66949&season=2010&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncw %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d669 49%26season%3d2010

Gargoyle
11-11-2009, 07:10 PM
have signed NLOIs

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=204831647

HoopGurlz ranks Duke's class as number 1

http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/recruiting/

CameronBornAndBred
11-11-2009, 07:27 PM
have signed NLOIs

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=204831647

HoopGurlz ranks Duke's class as number 1

http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/recruiting/
That's awesome..love this quote..



The signing of this star-studded class should ease the anti-McCallie sentiments coming from some fans on message boards who mourned the loss of the beloved Gail Goestenkors and scoffed at Duke's 2009 signing class (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/school?season=2009&schoolId=150&page=commits) for not having a major "blue chip"recruit.

I had my doubts as far as P's recruiting as well, it's great to see such a pleasant surprise. I like her coaching, but was worried about what was happening off the court. Thanks for the links.

MHTorringjan
11-11-2009, 09:42 PM
Espn has Horn's status as undeclared, but when you click on her name, they list her as Verbal to Alabama.
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=66949&season=2010&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncw %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d669 49%26season%3d2010

Yeah, looks like they've gotten that fixed now, she is listed as committed to 'Bama, so the only player uncommitted in the class of 2010 according to ESPN HoopGurlz is Shoni Schimmel, who also has us on her list. There's still hope yet (again, not that I'm displeased with the class as it stands, and assuming we have one more scholarship available next year and they're interested in signing another next year ;-)

M.H.

miramar
11-12-2009, 09:24 AM
I loved the comments on the recruits: explosive scorer, fantastic shooter and passer, consummate point guard, footwork in the post is the stuff of instructional videos. This should be fun.

Gargoyle
11-12-2009, 12:02 PM
Here is an article from USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/womensbasketball/2009-11-11-duke-recruiting_N.htm

Welcome2DaSlopes
11-12-2009, 04:31 PM
We are also recruiting the #1 rated player on Hoopsgurls top 100, but i don't think we will get her.

MHTorringjan
11-12-2009, 04:54 PM
We are also recruiting the #1 rated player on Hoopsgurls top 100, but i don't think we will get her.

Well, if you're talking about Chiney Ogwumike (which I didn't see us on her list; then again, we'd have been crazy not to at least try for her), she announced for Stanford, so it's a moot point. ;)

Welcome2DaSlopes
11-12-2009, 04:58 PM
Well, if you're talking about Chiney Ogwumike (which I didn't see us on her list; then again, we'd have been crazy not to at least try for her), she announced for Stanford, so it's a moot point. ;)

Yea i was but hey at least she's not going to Uconn

RainingThrees
11-12-2009, 07:47 PM
This class is amazing. I wasn't around at the time but to any of the older Duke fans does this remind you of K's breakout class that included Johnny Dawkins? Hopefully coach P. can have even more success with these 5.

MHTorringjan
11-12-2009, 07:55 PM
Yea i was but hey at least she's not going to Uconn

Yeah, I considered posting the same thing and adding Tenn to the list it's good she didn't go to, but figured it went without saying. ;)

Gargoyle
11-12-2009, 10:08 PM
That's awesome..love this quote..

I had my doubts as far as P's recruiting as well, it's great to see such a pleasant surprise. I like her coaching, but was worried about what was happening off the court. Thanks for the links.

I think the 2009 recruiting class will surprise everyone. Allison Vernerey was one of the 10 best players in a very tough French semi pro league playing against much older opponents. In that league and with the French International teams, she has always been a winner and a leader. I expect her to be an impact player from the get go.

The same is true for Alexis Rogers who played in a very tough league in Ohio. Alexis always played best when her team was up against the toughest opposition. Further, Dan Olson, a well respected analyst for Collegiate Girls Basketball Report, had Alexis as the number 11 recruit for 2009. The real issue is how quickly Alexis can transition to the wing.

Both ladies are excellent rebounders and great defensive players. They will fit right into McCallies's style of play.

Even though she will have to take a medical redshirt this year, Janee Johnson is also an interesting prospect. It's hard to get a handle on her potential since she played against weak competition and the team was not uptempo. However, JJ was recruited hard by Sherri Coale at OU and she knows a thing or two about talent.

BD80
11-12-2009, 10:23 PM
Have any of the "experts" commented on how the '10 class compares to past classs?

For example, in the men's game, having a top recruiting class in '05 was not nearly as good as having a top recruiting class in '06 or '07.

Welcome2DaSlopes
11-12-2009, 11:51 PM
Yeah, I considered posting the same thing and adding Tenn to the list it's good she didn't go to, but figured it went without saying. ;)

The reason i didn't add Tenn is because i didn't see it on her list of interest but i understand what you mean nonetheless.

Welcome2DaSlopes
11-12-2009, 11:52 PM
Have any of the "experts" commented on how the '10 class compares to past classs?

For example, in the men's game, having a top recruiting class in '05 was not nearly as good as having a top recruiting class in '06 or '07.

Great Question, but i think it will be easy to answer in the next five-six years.

MHTorringjan
11-13-2009, 08:10 AM
I think the 2009 recruiting class will surprise everyone. Allison Vernerey was one of the 10 best players in a very tough French semi pro league playing against much older opponents. In that league and with the French International teams, she has always been a winner and a leader. I expect her to be an impact player from the get go.

The same is true for Alexis Rogers who played in a very tough league in Ohio. Alexis always played best when her team was up against the toughest opposition. Further, Dan Olson, a well respected analyst for Collegiate Girls Basketball Report, had Alexis as the number 11 recruit for 2009. The real issue is how quickly Alexis can transition to the wing.

Both ladies are excellent rebounders and great defensive players. They will fit right into McCallies's style of play.

I gotta say, having read the story on the first exhibition and having seen the second exhibition, I am excited about both of our active freshmen (I'm excited about having Janee Johnson on the team, but still haven't seen her play; I suppose that means technically we've got six freshmen next year! ;) ). I love the strength, speed, and height (can't teach that) of Allison, and Alexis showed some great brains and defensive skills on the court with her time in the second exhibition. I think that both are going to contribute greatly to the team (although I will admit that I'm more excited about Allison, because she looks like she's going to be good this year, great next year, and amazing for the rest of her time here ;) ).

M.H.

stillcrazie
11-15-2009, 09:20 AM
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/high_school/story/192689.html

I sense we're not getting the whole story here, but the article makes her recruitment process sound pretty bad.

MHTorringjan
11-15-2009, 09:32 AM
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/high_school/story/192689.html

I sense we're not getting the whole story here, but the article makes her recruitment process sound pretty bad.

Yeah, this does not sound like a very happy story. Frankly, I'm curious as to why Coach P and everyone else would push so hard for her when there was a legitimate chance that we would get a monster recruiting class like we did, where they *knew* that she wouldn't play. I mean, IMO, it's fair for the coaches to let the girl know what her situation was going to be if she came, and it was good that they didn't pull the scholarship offer, but it also sounds like they were being a bit brusque with her (not sure how much of that comes from getting one side of the story, as stillcrazie points out, but it's a moot point). I really hope that she finds a school that fits her and that she loves and that gives her the best college experience possible, because whatever happened with Duke, it was messy.

M.H.

miramar
11-15-2009, 09:58 AM
Obviously we are only getting one side of the story, but I get the impression that Clair Watkins was caught in no-man's land when Duke's recruiting suddenly took a 180-degree turn. The players in the current freshman class were at her same level in high school, but all of a sudden very highly ranked players started committing to Duke, and a player outside the top 100 would suddenly be the odd woman out.

Duke did honor their scholarship commitment, which many schools would not do, but this did not end well. Most women wait until their senior year to make commitments, and that's probably a good idea for all but the top players.

stillcrazie
11-15-2009, 11:06 AM
Obviously we are only getting one side of the story, but I get the impression that Clair Watkins was caught in no-man's land when Duke's recruiting suddenly took a 180-degree turn. The players in the current freshman class were at her same level in high school, but all of a sudden very highly ranked players started committing to Duke, and a player outside the top 100 would suddenly be the odd woman out.

This seems likely. I wonder if they could have said something sooner to her, or if there was a way to use a little more diplomacy in dealing with her.

Gargoyle
11-21-2009, 06:43 PM
Tricia Liston starts off big time

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/girls_basketball/1894749,111909-fenwick-oak-park-girls-basketball.article

Gargoyle
11-29-2009, 08:36 AM
as Fenwick wins Niles North Thanksgiving Tournament,

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/girls_basketball/1909857,112809-girls-fenwick-fenwick-wheeling.article

Gargoyle
12-04-2009, 09:36 AM
as #3 Fenwick beats #12 Loyola 67 - 28

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/chi-04-prep-gbk-loyola-fenwickdec04,0,6472334.story

"In the blink of an eye, Tricia can score 10 points," Power said. "She can get them in bunches. But what I thought was great today was she was dishing, she was rebounding, she was pressuring on defense."

Gargoyle
12-04-2009, 09:58 PM
for this season is uncertain.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/preps/ci_13855109

CameronBornAndBred
12-04-2009, 10:09 PM
for this season is uncertain.

http://www.dailybulletin.com/preps/ci_13855109

I don't quite get this part...


She was one of 10 kids living in a two-bedroom house," Wells said. "Her family was relocated due to Hurricane Katrina and has had a tough life. The school she was at gave her a bum deal academically so we brought her in so she could play basketball and raise her grades enough to get a scholarship.

I wonder how the school "gave her a bum deal". If they were giving her grades, she wouldn't need to raise them. If she wasn't earning them, would that equal "a bum deal"? I don't know enough to do anything but guess, but I don't know whether to take that as worrysome or promising.

Duvall
12-04-2009, 11:37 PM
I don't quite get this part...

I wonder how the school "gave her a bum deal". If they were giving her grades, she wouldn't need to raise them. If she wasn't earning them, would that equal "a bum deal"? I don't know enough to do anything but guess, but I don't know whether to take that as worrysome or promising.

We're all guessing, but I doubt it means much. It's probably just a reference to the transfer credits awarded by her new school for classes taken at her previous one.

Kedsy
12-04-2009, 11:46 PM
I don't quite get this part...

I wonder how the school "gave her a bum deal". If they were giving her grades, she wouldn't need to raise them. If she wasn't earning them, would that equal "a bum deal"? I don't know enough to do anything but guess, but I don't know whether to take that as worrysome or promising.

Well, that quote was about Cassandra Mitchell, right, and not Chloe Wells? That's how it reads to me, anyway.

CameronBornAndBred
12-05-2009, 09:49 AM
Well, that quote was about Cassandra Mitchell, right, and not Chloe Wells? That's how it reads to me, anyway.
Ahhh...you are correct! Whew...

Gargoyle
12-05-2009, 03:06 PM
their season with a 79-21 win over Westmoore.

Here is a quote from a poster on the Oklahoma Board.

"i went to the MWC Westmoore game last nite. Of course MWC Won 79 21...

Our former recruit Richa jackson Had 20 points 7rbs and 9 steals all i had to say was SHE WAS UNBELIVEABLE."

Gargoyle
12-08-2009, 08:47 AM
on Tricia Liston.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/columns/story?columnist=powers_scott&id=4723013

"The way Fenwick senior Tricia Liston can score and how she can dominate a game in multiple ways reminds Friars coach Dave Power of how current Duke guard Jon Scheyer used to rule the boys' side of Illinois high school basketball not too long ago."

"Tricia Liston is one of the rare commodities in recruiting, a true 'power' guard," Lewis said. "She has a solid build, good size, but still has an explosiveness to her game. She's a versatile scorer who can create off the dribble but has impressive range and touch on her shot as well. She's physical and aggressive at both ends of the floor and isn't hesitant to mix it up with the bigs."

Gargoyle
12-13-2009, 09:44 AM
lost in the finals of the Tournament of Champions played in Fort Smith Arkansas. In three games, RJ averaged 26.7 points, 7.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 4 TOs and 2.7 steals.

CameronBornAndBred
12-13-2009, 10:00 AM
lost in the finals of the Tournament of Champions played in Fort Smith Arkansas. In three games, RJ averaged 26.7 points, 7.3 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 4 TOs and 2.7 steals.
Need to work on those TO's....bleah.

Gargoyle
12-13-2009, 08:53 PM
participated in the Breezy Bishop Showcase in Baltimore MD over the weekend. HP scored 17 as Peddie defeated Bishop McNamara and 25 in a victory over Seton Keough.

Gargoyle
12-15-2009, 08:07 AM
gets 31 as Fenwick defeats #21 Marist 77 -58.

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/girls_basketball/1939789,121409-girls-basketball-fenwick-marist.article

Gargoyle
12-17-2009, 08:20 PM
begins play tomorrow in the Nike Tournament of Champions in Phoenix. St Mary's (#1) plays in the 16 team Joe Smith Division which has 8 of the HoopGurlz current top 25 along with three more "in the Mix". They open play tomorrow vs Norcross, GA (#21).

Gargoyle
12-19-2009, 07:19 AM
Chelsea Gray scored 23 points as St. Mary's defeated Norcross, GA 79-55 on day one of the TOC.
St. Mary's will play Memphis Central, # 9, who defeated H D Woodson (DC) by a score of 69-40.

Gargoyle
12-19-2009, 01:42 PM
On the off chance that someone is actually interested, the St. Mary's game today will be available via a live stream at this site:

http://www.ladywarriorbasketball.net/

The game starts at 2:30 EST.

CameronBornAndBred
12-19-2009, 02:00 PM
On the off chance that someone is actually interested, the St. Mary's game today will be available via a live stream at this site:

http://www.ladywarriorbasketball.net/

The game starts at 2:30 EST.
Just a "thanks very much" for all of the updates and links. It's great to have some info outside of goduke.com. Much appreciated, keep them coming!

Gargoyle
12-19-2009, 09:03 PM
Fenwick loses to Fremd 58-50

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/the_inside_scoop/2009/12/fenwicks-tricia-liston-out-with-mono.html

CameronBornAndBred
12-20-2009, 07:56 AM
Liston out with Mono
Better now than next year.

Gargoyle
12-22-2009, 08:04 AM
scores 32 as St. Mary's advances to the finals of the TOC with a 67-66 overtime win over Brea Olinda.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=4763675

Gargoyle
12-29-2009, 08:45 AM
St. Mary's (Chelsea Gray) will play Mt. Lebanon PA at 2 PM today in the T Mobile Classic in Alabama. Today's game (and tomorrow's) will be telecast by CBS College Sports Network. Mt. Lebanon is a very good team. They played in the TOC in Phoenix in the elite division and had a 3-1 record. The winner of today's game will play the winner of the Hoover AL/Hillsboro TN game for the championship tomorrow.

Gargoyle
12-31-2009, 10:04 AM
led St. Mary's to the T-Mobile championship yesterday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=4784279

I was wondering if anyone else got a chance to watch her play and, if so, what your impressions were?

Gargoyle
01-06-2010, 10:30 AM
http://yourseason.suntimes.com/girls_basketball/1975851,010510-girls-basketball-fenwick-lincoln-way-east.article

Gargoyle
01-09-2010, 09:38 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/chi-08-prep-gbk-liston-webjan08,0,7467999.story

Gargoyle
01-09-2010, 01:48 PM
former Duke commit Clair Watkins will attend Vanderbilt.

Gargoyle
01-09-2010, 08:41 PM
scores 24 as Peddie defeats nationally ranked Oak Hill 75-60.

MHTorringjan
01-11-2010, 10:18 AM
former Duke commit Clair Watkins will attend Vanderbilt.

Well, whatever happened with her and Duke (see previous thread on the topic), I'm glad that she's found a place where she will be happy, and I hope that she excels (except in the off-hand chance that they play against us) and proves any of her naysayers wrong.

MHTorringjan
01-11-2010, 10:19 AM
scores 24 as Peddie defeats nationally ranked Oak Hill 75-60.

Thanks again for the consistent updates on our incoming freshmen! I'm looking forward to seeing how they fit into the system that Coach P has got going here, although I'll be watching from afar next year. ;-)

Gargoyle
01-11-2010, 05:10 PM
Haley Peters scores 30 as Peddie defeats Teaneck 73-39 in the New York-New Jersey Challenge

Chelsea Gray scores 18 as St. Mary's defeats Sacramento 97-55.

Gargoyle
01-14-2010, 01:52 PM
scores 20 as Peddie defeats Blair 56-50. Duke will need one or two bigs in next year's class. I believe I heard that Duke may have interest in 6'3" Temi Fagbenle. who plays for Blair. Fagbenle is from London. Doesn't that sound a lot like the background of another recent Duke player?

Gargoyle
01-16-2010, 09:35 PM
scores 32 and grabs 6 rebounds as Fenwick defeats Indianapolis North Central 70-33 at the McDonald's Shootout.

Haley peters scores 18 as Peddie defeats Shipley (PA) 63-16

Gargoyle
01-17-2010, 07:21 PM
scores 15 as Peddie defeats Mercersburg (PA) 67-11. It was 50-4 at the half.

Richa Jackson scores 12 as top ranked 6A Midwest City defeats 6A number 2 Norman 56-35. At the half, Midwest City led 33-11.

Gargoyle
01-19-2010, 08:38 AM
scores 43 as Fenwick defeats ST Louis St Joseph 66-52 at the McDonald's Shootout.

Edited to add that Liston was 16-22 from the field, 6 of 9 from 3, 7-8 free throws and had 7 rebounds.

Gargoyle
01-19-2010, 01:24 PM
scores 23 as St Mary's defeats #17 (in CA) Archbishop Mitty 69-45. St Mary's is now 19-1 on the season.

Gargoyle
01-21-2010, 08:16 AM
has 21 as Peddie defeats Lawrenceville 78-28.

Gargoyle
01-23-2010, 08:30 AM
after two game absence. Midwest City, OK 6A #1, to play Carl Albert , OK 5A #1, in the championship game of the Carl Albert Titan Tournament tonight.

http://newsok.com/article/3434266

Gargoyle
01-24-2010, 12:43 PM
injures ankle but returns to score 18 and lead St Mary's to a hard fought win over Berkeley.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/B2k0EQjlEd-UswAcxJTdpg/nations-no-1-team-st-marys-survives-injury,-berkeley-scare.htm

Tricia Liston scores 24 as Fenwick defeats Providence 58-42.

duke09hms
01-24-2010, 05:36 PM
are daily game-by-game updates really necessary for every WBB recruit?

Coach McCallie has definitely done an amazing job

Perhaps more info on our 2010 prospects, if any, that we are still recruiting would be more useful and relevant.

westwall
01-25-2010, 12:13 AM
-- necessary?? Perhaps not.
Interesting?? Sure! (keep it up, Gargoyle)

Anyone who bothers to look at the ESPNU HoopGurlz top 100 for 2010 should quickly realize that there are only TWO uncommitted players left, that the highest rated of those is a point guard who is lower rated than one of our TWO committed PGs, and that Duke in total has commitments from five members of the 2010 top 100, with two in the top 6, 3 in the top 20, and with the lowest-ranking at #62. (Oh yes, the other uncommitted is ranked #74.)

Does that help explain why there is little recent "info on our 2010 prospects, ...that we are still recruiting"??

Gargoyle
01-31-2010, 11:08 AM
Fenwick had 4 wins:

Beat Providence 58 - 42; Liston with 24 points
Beat St. Joseph 76 -66; Liston with 37 points and 10 rebounds
Beat St. Viator 59 -48; Liston with 28 points, 16 rebounds and 11 assists
Beat Naperville Central 56 -44; Liston with 21 points

Peddie also had 4 wins:

Beat Germantown 79 - 60; HP had 24 points and 14 rebounds
Beat The Hun School 65 - 40; HP had 24 points
Beat Hill School 66 -24; HP with 10 points
Beat Penn Charter 70 - 38; HP had 21 points

St. Mary's beat CA #5 Modesto 99 -60; Gray had 23 points

roywhite
01-31-2010, 12:22 PM
Fenwick had 4 wins:

Beat Providence 58 - 42; Liston with 24 points
Beat St. Joseph 76 -66; Liston with 37 points and 10 rebounds
Beat St. Viator 59 -48; Liston with 28 points, 16 rebounds and 11 assists
Beat Naperville Central 56 -44; Liston with 21 points

Peddie also had 4 wins:

Beat Germantown 79 - 60; HP had 24 points and 14 rebounds
Beat The Hun School 65 - 40; HP had 24 points
Beat Hill School 66 -24; HP with 10 points
Beat Penn Charter 70 - 38; HP had 21 points

St. Mary's beat CA #5 Modesto 99 -60; Gray had 23 points

thanks, gargoyle

Here's the ESPNU top 100 in the 2010 class

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncw/recruiting/tracker/espnu100?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncw %2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fespnu100

Is Tricia "listed" too low?

Gargoyle
02-01-2010, 05:55 PM
scored 22 as Peddie defeated Trinity (PA) 67 - 31 at the Super Sunday event at Wayne PA.

HoopGurlz covered the event and had this to say about HP:

"the Peddie School star is the consummate leader. Despite playing an overmatched Trinity team Peters refused to take plays off. She runs the court every possession, dives on the floor for loose balls, crashes the glass and pushes herself regardless of the situation. Though she plays hard she doesn't dominate the game in a selfish way. She gets a fair number of shots but doesn't go out to try and score 40 against a weak opponent. She showed the smarts to get easy buckets inside against a smaller team and still showed the advancement in her perimeter game. Duke is getting a complete player who doesn't settle for just being good."

You can read the entire article at:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=4877544

Gargoyle
02-06-2010, 09:16 PM
Midwest City defeated Norman North 59 - 35 as RJ scores 18

Peddie defeated The Academy of New Church 96 - 32 as HP had 28

Fenwick had 3 wins

56 - 50 over Lake Zurich; Liston with 20

69 - 28 over Joliet Catholic; Liston with 26 points and 10 rebounds

73 - 63 over #8 Marian Catholic to win their 15th straight conference championship; Liston with 37 points, 13 rebounds and 3 assists

The Marian game stories can be found here:

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/girls_basketball/2033610,020610-fenwick-marian-catholic-girls.article

and here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ct-spt-0207-prep-gbk-fenwick-marian-catho20100206,0,2353263.story

Gargoyle
02-09-2010, 07:34 AM
selected to the WBCA All America team.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/basketball/2010-02-08-wbca-selections_N.htm

Gargoyle
02-15-2010, 09:22 PM
Peters, Gray and Jackson named to the McDonald's AA Team

Peters, Gray and Liston (all unanimous) and Jackson named 6to the HoopGurlz All Star Team

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=4905828

Peters, Gray, Liston and Jackson named to the Peach State All Star Team

http://www.peachstatehoops.com/?p=joppremaccess&sp=featurestories&story=BMC021510

Liston named Chicago Sun Times Player of the Year

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/girls_basketball/2043826,021110-liston-fenwick-poy.article

Gargoyle
02-24-2010, 11:11 AM
is one of 5 finalists for the Naismith National HS Player of the Year award.

http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-high-school-sports/2010/02/24/final-candidates-for-2010-naismith-boys-and-girls-players-of-year-announced/

Gargoyle
03-04-2010, 08:49 PM
by ESPNChicago.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/columns/story?id=4963411

Coach McCallie is quoted:

"She has an opportunity with hard work and coming in prepared and working in the weight room to be an immediate impact for us. We don't have a lot of shooters. We don't have anyone with the confidence she has. More important with her complete game, she has a chance to be very special at Duke. We have no player like her ... I can't wait to coach her."

Turtleboy
03-06-2010, 10:39 AM
by ESPNChicago.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/columns/story?id=4963411

Coach McCallie is quoted:

"She has an opportunity with hard work and coming in prepared and working in the weight room to be an immediate impact for us. We don't have a lot of shooters. We don't have anyone with the confidence she has. More important with her complete game, she has a chance to be very special at Duke. We have no player like her ... I can't wait to coach her."How did this girl not make the Micky D's?

Gargoyle
03-08-2010, 05:30 PM
Fenwick was 6 and 1 in the post season and finished 3rd in IL 4A competition.

Beat Conant 69-40 25 pts 10 rebs
Beat Glenbard West 77-33 41 pts
Beat Proviso East 61-44 36 pts 11 rebs
Beat Bartlett 70-57 20 pts, 7 rebs, 3 blocks
Beat Niles West 54-40 26 pts
Lost to #9 nationally ranked Whitney Young 38-54 25 pts 8 rebs
Beat Hersey 55-51 40 pts, 5rebs 3 assists

Here is an article written before the game with Whitney Young

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/girls/article_4339110e-27f2-11df-bc44-001cc4c002e0.html

"Liston averages a mere 16.4 shots per game, but has scored 35 or more seven times and 40 or more three times, topping out at 43 despite rarely playing a full game.

Liston shoots .564 from the field, .380 from 3-point range and .876 from the free throw line. She is as comfortable posting up as she is beating defenders off the dribble. Power likens her to Larry Bird."

Gargoyle
03-12-2010, 08:10 AM
Gray, Jackson, Liston and Peters were named Gatorade Players of the Year in their respective states.

Gargoyle
03-22-2010, 09:41 PM
Richa Jackson who made the Parade All America first team!

http://newsok.com/high-school-insider-honors-flowing-to-midwest-citys-richa-jackson/article/3448226?custom_click=lead_story_title

Gargoyle
03-27-2010, 11:43 PM
named 2010 Ms Basketball of Illinois.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ct-spt-0328-prep-gbk-ms-basketball-20100326,0,2639691.story?page=1

Liston (third team) and Haley Peters (second team) also named Parade All Americans.

http://www.parade.com/news/all-america/2010/meet-parades-all-america-high-school-girls-basketball-team.html

Welcome2DaSlopes
03-27-2010, 11:59 PM
Thanks for the update's on our future dukies,