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InSpades
09-23-2009, 12:02 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4496695

If you're a Kansas fan are you more upset that:
A. He got hurt and will miss some time.
B. He got in a fight (with the football team).
C. He actually communicates like that and represents your team.

BlueintheFace
09-23-2009, 01:10 PM
...and the hits keep coming (pun intended)

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/120070-second-fight-reported-between-kansas-football-hoops-teams?eref=fromSI

At least Self knows his national title contender has some fight in them (pun intended again)

whereinthehellami
09-23-2009, 01:12 PM
Wow, that takes the "student athlete" to a whole new level.

BlueintheFace
09-23-2009, 01:23 PM
apparently Sherron Collins was provoking and one of the basketball players tried to throw a football player down some stairs

http://www.kansan.com/news/2009/sep/23/police_escort_basketball_and_football_players_insi/?news

BlueintheFace
09-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I imagine the talk in Coach Self's office went something like this:


Sherron Collins: Boy that escalated quickly... I mean that really got out of hand fast

Cole Aldrich: It jumped up a notch

Sherron Collins: It did, didn't it.

Tyshawn Taylor: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart

Sherron Collins: I saw that. Tyshawn killed a guy. Did you throw a Trident?

Tyshawn Taylor: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.





http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/movies/slideshow/best-fight-scenes/img_14.jpg

4decadedukie
09-23-2009, 01:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4496695

If you're a Kansas fan are you more upset that:
A. He got hurt and will miss some time.
B. He got in a fight (with the football team).
C. He actually communicates like that and represents your team.

Is "all of the above" an acceptable response?

SupaDave
09-23-2009, 01:54 PM
Someone please send this to HB!!!

airowe
09-23-2009, 02:02 PM
I imagine the talk in Coach Self's office went something like this:







http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/movies/slideshow/best-fight-scenes/img_14.jpg

60% of the time, It works every time.

This is one of the funniest posts I've seen on this board. Ever.

BD80
09-23-2009, 02:12 PM
apparently Sherron Collins was provoking and one of the basketball players tried to throw a football player down some stairs

http://www.kansan.com/news/2009/sep/23/police_escort_basketball_and_football_players_insi/?news

Uh oh. The football team and the basketball team fighting. The only two revenue generating sports at the school?

I'll bet the AD is so mad he is going to suspend the entire swimming team for the semster.

SmartDevil
09-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Gee, I'd think twice if I were an athlete, particularly an African American athlete, about going to Kansas if even the athletes hurl racial epithets at one another and engage in team vs team fighting akin to gang warfare. Would not only make for an unpleasant tenure at Kansas but I wonder what some companies might think about using Kansas athletes for endorsements down the road.

DukeBlood
09-23-2009, 02:48 PM
Someone please send this to HB!!!

When reading the articles I was thinking that cant look good to a upstanding person as Harrison. Hopefully he will see there is a major problem and stay clear of it.

SupaDave
09-23-2009, 03:07 PM
I'll bet the AD is so mad he is going to suspend the entire swimming team for the semster.


OK - now THAT is classic. LOL! The band probably wont be allowed to march this weekend. :)

JaMarcus Russell
09-23-2009, 03:10 PM
When reading the articles I was thinking that cant look good to a upstanding person as Harrison.

That was also the first thing that came to my mind. I am sure Self is pissed about this for the same reason, and he definitely can't be happy about Taylor's comments or the occurrence of a second fight.

Greg_Newton
09-23-2009, 03:10 PM
When reading the articles I was thinking that cant look good to a upstanding person as Harrison. Hopefully he will see there is a major problem and stay clear of it.

Big agree. I was trying to picture that list of yelling and fighting players including "Harrison Barnes", and it just didn't quite fit...

And seriously, a second fight the next morning??? Shows it wasn't just a spur-of-the-moment, isolated incident type of thing...

BD80
09-23-2009, 03:38 PM
I imagine the talk in Coach Self's office went something like this:


Sherron Collins: Boy that escalated quickly... I mean that really got out of hand fast

Cole Aldrich: It jumped up a notch

Sherron Collins: It did, didn't it.

Tyshawn Taylor: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart

Sherron Collins: I saw that. Tyshawn killed a guy. Did you throw a Trident?

Tyshawn Taylor: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.

Markieff Morris: And Coach, I shot one with an Air Soft gun!

crimsonandblue
09-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Uh oh. The football team and the basketball team fighting. The only two revenue generating sports at the school?

I'll bet the AD is so mad he is going to suspend the entire swimming team for the semster.

Too late. The swim team was cut years ago. Volleyball is sweating...

FireOgilvie
09-23-2009, 04:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4496695

C. He actually communicates like that and represents your team.

This is the worst, IMO. Fights happen everywhere, but then he types out gems like:

"I got a dislocated finger ... from throwing a punch, so don't let the newspaper gas ya all up, aite,"

"keep my name out ya mouth for you get smacked in it."

"never get outta character ... I'm always a G about it."

"n-----s be muggin me ... you know I'm mugging back."

crimsonandblue
09-23-2009, 04:54 PM
This is the worst, IMO. Fights happen everywhere, but then he types out gems like:

"I got a dislocated finger ... from throwing a punch, so don't let the newspaper gas ya all up, aite,"

"keep my name out ya mouth for you get smacked in it."

"never get outta character ... I'm always a G about it."

"n-----s be muggin me ... you know I'm mugging back."

They're rap lyrics, for the most part. And it's on facebook.

El_Diablo
09-23-2009, 05:04 PM
The worst part is that this type of behavior is encouraged at Kansas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juPLXYhQemM


;)

crimsonandblue
09-23-2009, 05:07 PM
Yes, we've now banned Fighting Jayhawk from all band performances.

Duvall
09-23-2009, 05:10 PM
The worst part is that this type of behavior is encouraged at Kansas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juPLXYhQemM


;)

Pretty rough for Iowa State.

FireOgilvie
09-23-2009, 05:14 PM
They're rap lyrics, for the most part. And it's on facebook.

...so? Just because some rapper apparently said something like it doesn't mean it's a smart thing for a student-athlete representing himself and KU to repeat in a semi-public forum. He actually sat down at his computer and thought that these vague threats were the best thing he could say to express how he felt.

Wander
09-23-2009, 05:15 PM
What kind of football player needs to enlist his entire team to fight a skinny shooting guard? Was it the 3rd string punter?

FireOgilvie
09-23-2009, 05:23 PM
If I was a coach, I would stress to my players at the beginning of the year that everything they say on Twitter, Facebook, or whatever, will be viewed by thousands of people and could come back to hurt them. I'm sure that most high-profile programs go over this.

Greg_Newton
09-23-2009, 05:24 PM
They're rap lyrics, for the most part. And it's on facebook.

The rap lyrics don't bother me, mainly because he posted those before the altercation happened.

But ""I got a dislocated finger ... from throwing a punch, so don't let the newspaper gas ya all up, aite" is NOT how you want your player to respond to a stupid and high-profile fight in which he was injured. This is the time for damage control and remorse, not chest puffing... he's PROUD that he was out being an idiot and throwing punches just before the season starts? As a scholarship athlete, you carry with you certain responsibilities. I was Self, I'd be furious.

That reaction combined with the second A.M. altercation makes me wonder about the culture of the program.

BlueintheFace
09-23-2009, 05:25 PM
If I was a coach, I would stress to my players at the beginning of the year that everything they say on Twitter, Facebook, or whatever, will be viewed by thousands of people and could come back to hurt them. I'm sure that most high-profile programs go over this.

I sometimes worry about Lance Thomas and Nolan Smith on this point. Some of their tweets have been.... borderline.

crimsonandblue
09-23-2009, 06:14 PM
The rap lyrics don't bother me, mainly because he posted those before the altercation happened.

But ""I got a dislocated finger ... from throwing a punch, so don't let the newspaper gas ya all up, aite" is NOT how you want your player to respond to a stupid and high-profile fight in which he was injured. This is the time for damage control and remorse, not chest puffing... he's PROUD that he was out being an idiot and throwing punches just before the season starts? As a scholarship athlete, you carry with you certain responsibilities. I was Self, I'd be furious.

That reaction combined with the second A.M. altercation makes me wonder about the culture of the program.


Well, you worry away about the culture of the program. I don't know that Taylor was puffing about throwing punches so much as trying to quell rumors that were rampant last night about the extent of his injuries and how it happened. There were public reports of his hospitalization and nothing more (HIPAA not allowing the hospital to disclose more). Privately, people were talking/texting incorrectly about serious injuries.

It was dumb to discuss the matter on facebook. Frankly, it's dumb for an athlete in the public eye to have a facebook page that's not handled by reps of the athletics department.

But this was a fight over a girl that led teammates to back their guy in a series of silly confrontations. It's stupid. It's bs machismo. But it's also gone on for eons in high school and college. Had Taylor not hurt himself slugging a guy, I doubt anyone would have heard about the thing last night. That it spilled over to today shows we've got some immature, likely dumb athletes. I'm shocked.

Anyway, they had a come to Jesus session today and the team captains, who of course, weren't much if at all involved, issued a kumbaya statement (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/sep/23/ku-football-basketball-players-release-statement-r/). I suspect it will be handled internally.

El_Diablo
09-23-2009, 07:19 PM
I suspect it will be handled internally.

Yeah, I think Taylor will soon find Self's boot to be lodged somewhere internally.

crimsonandblue
09-23-2009, 10:36 PM
Yeah, I think Taylor will soon find Self's boot to be lodged somewhere internally.

Yeah, I think you've got it. Self is out of town recruiting. I imagine he's thrilled to answer questions on this right now with recruits, parents and high school coaches, knowing only what's conveyed on facebook and phone calls. If Tyshawn shows up with two broken thumbs, call the abuse hotline.

BlueintheFace
09-24-2009, 12:06 AM
Gary Parrish on the incident:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12253580

MChambers
09-24-2009, 08:01 AM
Maybe Self is mad, but his statements thus far have been more than a little disappointing, focusing on the injury rather than the abysmal judgment involved. Seems a little Calhoun-like.

whereinthehellami
09-24-2009, 08:50 AM
I suspect it will be handled internally.

Seems about right. I mean its only multiple fights on a campus with racial remarks being thrown around and a kid being pushed down the stairs. No big whoop. Its not like someone died or anything. and even if they did, they are just student athletes, ya know just a little immature and all.

BlueintheFace
09-24-2009, 10:43 AM
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/120172-tension-between-ku-teams-not-new?eref=fromSI

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/10118622/Report:-Kansas-fights-were-years-in-the-making

Former players said this feud has been going on for awhile and its all about popularity and girls. Of course...morons

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/luke_winn/09/23/Kansas.Taylor/index.html?eref=T1

Luke Winn is not impressed

crimsonandblue
09-24-2009, 02:21 PM
Seems about right. I mean its only multiple fights on a campus with racial remarks being thrown around and a kid being pushed down the stairs. No big whoop. Its not like someone died or anything. and even if they did, they are just student athletes, ya know just a little immature and all.

I question your tone. You don't sound fully convinced of our handling of this matter. Frankly, I can't imagine Taylor won't be suspended for a while. I guess the football player he hurt his hand hitting could get suspended. The Morris brother who pushed a football player down several stairs into the arms of his fellow players could get suspended as could the football player for allegedly charging at Morris. Outside of that, there's been taunting, pushing, possibly punches thrown, but no one injured. No weapons involved. No bystanders hurt. I guess I just question who else could be disciplined for being immature, macho jerks.

Hmm. As for the poster above disappointed in Self's remarks, I haven't seen any quotes from Self. Well, except that he's started "Boot Camp" (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/sep/24/self-starts-boot-camp-today/) earlier than expected. What are you talking about? Mangino came out and said he hadn't heard anything that would merit suspensions. Maybe that's surprising, but not if Taylor was the instigator of the fighting.

MChambers
09-24-2009, 02:34 PM
As for the poster above disappointed in Self's remarks, I haven't seen any quotes from Self. Well, except that he's started "Boot Camp" (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/sep/24/self-starts-boot-camp-today/) earlier than expected. What are you talking about? Mangino came out and said he hadn't heard anything that would merit suspensions. Maybe that's surprising, but not if Taylor was the instigator of the fighting.
Maybe I'm being too harsh on Self, but in the initial ESPN article, he's only giving details about how long the injury will keep Taylor out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4496695

He says he doesn't know the details of the altercations. Now I understand (as any Duke fan should) that one should not rush to judgment on these things, and I also understand that coaches generally should reserve their criticism of their players for private conversations, but somehow Self's reaction doesn't sit well with me. Can't he at least say he's not happy about this situation and the lack of judgment involved?

If this happened at Duke (or UNC), I'd expect a stronger reaction from the head coach. In fact, I just can't see this happening at Duke. Maybe I am naive.

crimsonandblue
09-24-2009, 02:45 PM
Maybe I'm being too harsh on Self, but in the initial ESPN article, he's only giving details about how long the injury will keep Taylor out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4496695

He says he doesn't know the details of the altercations. Now I understand (as any Duke fan should) that one should not rush to judgment on these things, and I also understand that coaches generally should reserve their criticism of their players for private conversations, but somehow Self's reaction doesn't sit well with me. Can't he at least say he's not happy about this situation and the lack of judgment involved?

If this happened at Duke (or UNC), I'd expect a stronger reaction from the head coach. In fact, I just can't see this happening at Duke. Maybe I am naive.

Your post got me looking around. Here are further excerpts of Self comments (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/sep/24/ku-coach-self-disappointed-feud/?football):

“I’m disappointed in any of our guys that were involved regardless of fault,” Self said. “In Tyshawn’s case, I feel he was careless on Facebook, as he has been posting on Facebook different song lyrics almost daily which does not portray him in the light I feel he deserves to be portrayed.”

Taylor will wear a splint on his thumb for a week to 10 days, then should be able to resume ballhandling and shooting in two to three weeks, Self said.

“They think he’ll have full contact in the three-to-four week range,” Self said.

Self said he believed his players could and will co-exist with the football players.

“Of course I’m disappointed in our players with any involvement in this situation,” Self said. “We’ve always supported all the programs on campus. I feel some of our players’ better friends are football players. I’m not pointing fingers or fault. From my perspective, all parties are dead wrong. Being involved in a situation like this showed poor judgment with selfish motives. Allowing them to put personal feelings ahead of all else will not be tolerated by either program.

Self said he would “deal with the matter in house and hope we don’t have to have another discussion like this ever again.”

Asked if he’d suspend anybody, he said: “In a situation like this, there are a lot of versions to what transpired. I’d like to know the absolute truth. I’m not saying there won’t be (suspensions). At this point in time, I don’t have enough information to say that.”

allenmurray
09-24-2009, 07:54 PM
I question your tone. You don't sound fully convinced of our handling of this matter. Frankly, I can't imagine Taylor won't be suspended for a while. I guess the football player he hurt his hand hitting could get suspended. The Morris brother who pushed a football player down several stairs into the arms of his fellow players could get suspended as could the football player for allegedly charging at Morris. Outside of that, there's been taunting, pushing, possibly punches thrown, but no one injured. No weapons involved. No bystanders hurt. I guess I just question who else could be disciplined for being immature, macho jerks.

Hmm. As for the poster above disappointed in Self's remarks, I haven't seen any quotes from Self. Well, except that he's started "Boot Camp" (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/sep/24/self-starts-boot-camp-today/) earlier than expected. What are you talking about? Mangino came out and said he hadn't heard anything that would merit suspensions. Maybe that's surprising, but not if Taylor was the instigator of the fighting.

Not fully convnced - that would be about right - until some of the "coulds" come true. They need some grown-ups. None have stepped up yet.

Injuries and weapons - absent that everyting is A-OK? Sad, really.

crimsonandblue
09-24-2009, 10:44 PM
Not fully convnced - that would be about right - until some of the "coulds" come true. They need some grown-ups. None have stepped up yet.

Injuries and weapons - absent that everyting is A-OK? Sad, really.

Whatever (straw)man. You wanna believe everyone at Duke is Shane Battier, be my guest (although I guess that would mean he's unexceptional, which I think we all know is false). You wanna argue Duke's guys won't do anything silly because the coach wouldn't like it, three posts below references to current players and recruits calling each other "twigga" on twitter, it's fine by me.

Greg_Newton
09-25-2009, 12:41 AM
Whatever (straw)man. You wanna believe everyone at Duke is Shane Battier, be my guest (although I guess that would mean he's unexceptional, which I think we all know is false). You wanna argue Duke's guys won't do anything silly because the coach wouldn't like it, three posts below references to current players and recruits calling each other "twigga" on twitter, it's fine by me.

Are you really comparing playful use of slang among friends with this series of large fights? Come on. You're being overly defensive, and it's starting to get silly.

IMO, the troubling thing is that this was not just an isolated incident where the adrenaline bubbled a little too high and kids had momentary lapses in judgment. It is clearly a conscious and systematic issue, as incidents continued to occur multiple times even after players had the time to step back and think about what was going on. That's when it stops just being about "macho kids" and starts being about a gang mentality.

And no, I cannot picture something like this ever happening at Duke or UNC, but if it did, you better believe the coaches and administration would come down hard right away and put an end to it.

crimsonandblue
09-25-2009, 01:22 AM
Yeah, I'll back off. No, I don't equate the two things at all. I equate twigga somewhat, with Taylor's ridiculous facebooking. Although even that's not apples to apples.

My whole point to allenmurray was to show his bias. I know I'm biased. But he builds a strawman, that absent injuries or weapons, I won't advocate discipline. After I'd listed a few instances where I could see even suspensions being imposed in circumstances without injury or weapons. And he says that it's "sad." Frankly, that po'd me. I still think it's a jerk thing to say. But it's your board. I understand that. Moving on.

MChambers
09-25-2009, 08:10 AM
Your post got me looking around. Here are further excerpts of Self comments (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/sep/24/ku-coach-self-disappointed-feud/?football):

“I’m disappointed in any of our guys that were involved regardless of fault,” Self said. “In Tyshawn’s case, I feel he was careless on Facebook, as he has been posting on Facebook different song lyrics almost daily which does not portray him in the light I feel he deserves to be portrayed.”

Taylor will wear a splint on his thumb for a week to 10 days, then should be able to resume ballhandling and shooting in two to three weeks, Self said.

“They think he’ll have full contact in the three-to-four week range,” Self said.

Self said he believed his players could and will co-exist with the football players.

“Of course I’m disappointed in our players with any involvement in this situation,” Self said. “We’ve always supported all the programs on campus. I feel some of our players’ better friends are football players. I’m not pointing fingers or fault. From my perspective, all parties are dead wrong. Being involved in a situation like this showed poor judgment with selfish motives. Allowing them to put personal feelings ahead of all else will not be tolerated by either program.

Self said he would “deal with the matter in house and hope we don’t have to have another discussion like this ever again.”

Asked if he’d suspend anybody, he said: “In a situation like this, there are a lot of versions to what transpired. I’d like to know the absolute truth. I’m not saying there won’t be (suspensions). At this point in time, I don’t have enough information to say that.”

Thanks. These are better quotes.