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airowe
08-07-2009, 01:07 PM
The upcoming Elite Camp August 22nd and 23rd has had some people (http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/pickeral/story/1630798.html) comment that it brings Duke into a "perceived gray area" of recruiting tactics because it circumvents the quiet period (http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/calendar.htm) established by the NCAA from August 1 - September 8.

While I agree it does push the limits a bit as to what is acceptable and what is not within the NCAA rules, if you're not pushing the limits, you're not going as far within the rules as you can to gain an advantage. With the bylaw passed in January disallowing payments to AAU coaches as speakers at these camps and not allowing these coaches to be compensated based on how many players they send to these camps, it appears the NCAA has spoken to what is allowed and not allowed. Duke WILL NOT hire AAU coaches to work at this camp so this falls within those bylaws. I wonder who they will hire though? Is bringing in all-time greats from your program who will tout the benefits of the program and how great the relationship is with the coaches, fans, community, and other players shady? What if the "coaches" or speakers at this camp were Laettner, G. Hill, Brand, J. Will, JJ, etc.? Would this give off an air of impropriety?

The $100 admission fee doesn't seem to me to be too low, as it is just an overnight camp. How much more should it cost?

If we get commits at the camp, or immediately after it, will they be tainted?

I don't think this is a shady practice, after all, other programs have been doing it for years, but it is the first I've heard of it as it is Duke's first year and I tend to live in a bubble in the college basketball world. There are a lot of questions that come up around this Elite Camp, but I'm sure the Duke staff has done due diligence to make sure they know all the rules involved. And I'm sure they'll follow them. Even if others don't...

Here's some reading:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/pickeral/story/1630798.html

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/112753-duke-tries-camp-recruiting

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegebasketball/story/10911734/2

http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/elite-camp.htm

http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/calendar.htm

wilko
08-07-2009, 01:54 PM
Im sure it will be 100% above board.

The staff is trying to counter some possible recruiting shortcomings and should be lauded for attempting to correct things with a camp. It may not yeild anything, but you have to respect the effort to adapt.

As far as speakers...
I think it would be trite to have just former Duke players out drinking the coolaid. While I suppose it is to be expected to some degree. I think it would be MUCH more impactful to have some Olympians show up. Trot out the "I didnt go to college, but if I HAD, this would be were I would want to be, to play for this man..." kind of thing.

Sure I guess some selling of the program is expected, so why not get the best reps possible?

I'm just talking... I dont know if such action would be NCAA approved, but if it IS I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if a few Gold medal winners showed up

houstondukie
08-07-2009, 01:58 PM
The upcoming Elite Camp August 22nd and 23rd has had some people (http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/pickeral/story/1630798.html) comment that it brings Duke into a "perceived gray area" of recruiting tactics because it circumvents the quiet period (http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/calendar.htm) established by the NCAA from August 1 - September 8.

While I agree it does push the limits a bit as to what is acceptable and what is not within the NCAA rules, if you're not pushing the limits, you're not going as far within the rules as you can to gain an advantage. With the bylaw passed in January disallowing payments to AAU coaches as speakers at these camps and not allowing these coaches to be compensated based on how many players they send to these camps, it appears the NCAA has spoken to what is allowed and not allowed. Duke WILL NOT hire AAU coaches to work at this camp so this falls within those bylaws. I wonder who they will hire though? Is bringing in all-time greats from your program who will tout the benefits of the program and how great the relationship is with the coaches, fans, community, and other players shady? What if the "coaches" or speakers at this camp were Laettner, G. Hill, Brand, J. Will, JJ, etc.? Would this give off an air of impropriety?
The $100 admission fee doesn't seem to me to be too low, as it is just an overnight camp. How much more should it cost?

If we get commits at the camp, or immediately after it, will they be tainted?

I don't think this is a shady practice, after all, other programs have been doing it for years, but it is the first I've heard of it as it is Duke's first year and I tend to live in a bubble in the college basketball world. There are a lot of questions that come up around this Elite Camp, but I'm sure the Duke staff has done due diligence to make sure they know all the rules involved. And I'm sure they'll follow them. Even if others don't...

Here's some reading:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/pickeral/story/1630798.html

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/112753-duke-tries-camp-recruiting

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegebasketball/story/10911734/2

http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/elite-camp.htm

http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/calendar.htm


I've wondered the same thing? Does anyone have a definite answer? Who is Duke planning on having to coach?

airowe
08-07-2009, 02:04 PM
Im sure it will be 100% above board.

The staff is trying to counter some possible recruiting shortcomings and should be lauded for attempting to correct things with a camp. It may not yeild anything, but you have to respect the effort to adapt.

As far as speakers...
I think it would be trite to have just former Duke players out drinking the coolaid. While I suppose it is to be expected to some degree. I think it would be MUCH more impactful to have some Olympians show up. Trot out the "I didnt go to college, but if I HAD, this would be were I would want to be, to play for this man..." kind of thing.

Sure I guess some selling of the program is expected, so why not get the best reps possible?

I'm just talking... I dont know if such action would be NCAA approved, but if it IS I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if a few Gold medal winners showed up

Love this idea. Kobe's said it in the past. Imagine Lebron, Kobe, Dwight Howard on the floor in Cameron talking up Coach K...

Watch these videos and tell me if you think at least Kobe and Lebron might be interested:

http://blog.dukeblueplanet.com/?p=1121

SupaDave
08-07-2009, 07:50 PM
Im sure it will be 100% above board.

The staff is trying to counter some possible recruiting shortcomings and should be lauded for attempting to correct things with a camp. It may not yeild anything, but you have to respect the effort to adapt.

As far as speakers...
I think it would be trite to have just former Duke players out drinking the coolaid. While I suppose it is to be expected to some degree. I think it would be MUCH more impactful to have some Olympians show up. Trot out the "I didnt go to college, but if I HAD, this would be were I would want to be, to play for this man..." kind of thing.

Sure I guess some selling of the program is expected, so why not get the best reps possible?

I'm just talking... I dont know if such action would be NCAA approved, but if it IS I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if a few Gold medal winners showed up

As I much as I appreciate the sentiment I do not agree with it all. If they just happen to be in town then fine but to intentionally have NBA players in the facility working out to meet with a recruit? It can't even go down by accident.

Whether some of you guys realize it or not, our best spokesman are those who will actually be putting on those jerseys next year.

wilko
08-07-2009, 08:36 PM
I'm just talking... I dont know if such action would be NCAA approved, but if it IS I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if a few Gold medal winners showed up.


If they just happen to be in town then fine but to intentionally have NBA players in the facility working out to meet with a recruit? It can't even go down by accident.

Thats why said IF it IS allowed..
I get your point, but I wouldnt necessarily limit the options if I didnt HAVE to.

No sleight to the guys suiting up for us. I just happen to think that an Olympian would have more pizzaz.

airowe
08-10-2009, 01:24 PM
Any word on the roster for this camp?

Ibleedblue87
08-11-2009, 10:57 AM
Anyone know if it is going to be open to the public?

jimsumner
08-11-2009, 11:04 AM
I can't imagine this being open to the public. In fact, I'd be surprised if it was open to the media.

Ibleedblue87
08-11-2009, 11:12 AM
Ok thanks. If anyone finds out anything different please post it or message me. thanks

Ibleedblue87

Devilsfan
08-11-2009, 01:19 PM
I can't imagine a high schooler not being impressed if Kobe, LeBron and company were there with the Gold Metal Coach.

SupaDave
08-11-2009, 04:18 PM
I can't imagine a high schooler not being impressed if Kobe, LeBron and company were there with the Gold Metal Coach.

Well if Coach K is wearing gold metal I'll be pretty impressed myself!!! LMAO!

weezie
08-11-2009, 05:32 PM
I'm sure those NCAA "Titans of Rule Enforcement" will be in one end and out the other in order to make sure that all is well in the 'Ham. They always enjoy a good nit picking.

airowe
08-14-2009, 01:06 PM
http://dukebasketballjournal.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/several-top-2010-prospects-invited-to-the-duke-elite-camp/


The initial news broke when Dominique Ferguson mentioned in a few interviews that he would be attending the camp. Sources now tell Duke Basketball Journal that several other top prospects for the Blue Devils have been invited including Kyrie Irving, Roscoe Smith, Brandon Knight, Ray McCallum, Quincy Miller (class of 2011), and several other prospects. Additionally, it is believed that Duke recruits Andre Dawkins, Josh Hairston, and Tyler Thornton will be attending the camp as well.

airowe
08-14-2009, 01:13 PM
JP Tokoto (http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1052317)

“And his trip to Duke for its Elite Camp should also be a great chance to J.P. to play in front of a great coach in Mike Krzyzewski.”

Dominique Ferguson (http://duke.scout.com/a.z?s=167&p=2&c=873912&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fduke.scout.com%2f2%2f873 912.html)

Jun 21, 2009 ... "I plan on going to Duke's Elite Camp for sure. I don't really know of any other schools I'm planning on checking out soon. ... -- I got this from google search results, not from the article. I don't have a subscription to scout or any other premium service...

Jim3k
08-14-2009, 07:49 PM
[URL="http://duke.scout.com/a.z?s=167&p=2&c=873912&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fduke.scout.com%2f2%2f873 912.html"]Dominique Ferguson (http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1052317)

Jun 21, 2009 ... "I plan on going to Duke's Elite Camp for sure. I don't really know of any other schools I'm planning on checking out soon. ... -- I got this from google search results, not from the article. I don't have a subscription to scout or any other premium service...

Since that article was published, he's committed to Florida International. Therefore, it seems unlikely that he'd come to Duke's elite camp, but I guess it's possible.

airowe
08-14-2009, 08:58 PM
Since that article was published, he's committed to Florida International. Therefore, it seems unlikely that he'd come to Duke's elite camp, but I guess it's possible.

I've read on other boards that PJ Hairston is supposed to visit. He's committed to the Holes...

COYS
08-14-2009, 11:13 PM
I've read on other boards that PJ Hairston is supposed to visit. He's committed to the Holes...

Even if a recruit has committed somewhere else, it stands to reason that it would still make sense to attend assuming that this actually is a camp where one of the best staffs in the land of college ball will be helping to improve their game ;)

airowe
08-15-2009, 05:41 PM
This doesn't make it clear that he's coming, but he's been invited, and plans to visit sometime this month, so it would make sense if he'd be there...

http://w3.nbebasketball.com/2009/08/15/pitt-ohio-state-offer-trevor-cooney-duke-interested-maurice-walker-tyler-olander-chris-martin-updates/

airowe
08-16-2009, 04:27 PM
http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/08/16/925079

speedevil2001
08-17-2009, 06:18 PM
The upcoming Elite Camp August 22nd and 23rd has had some people (http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/pickeral/story/1630798.html) comment that it brings Duke into a "perceived gray area" of recruiting tactics because it circumvents the quiet period (http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/calendar.htm) established by the NCAA from August 1 - September 8.

While I agree it does push the limits a bit as to what is acceptable and what is not within the NCAA rules, if you're not pushing the limits, you're not going as far within the rules as you can to gain an advantage. With the bylaw passed in January disallowing payments to AAU coaches as speakers at these camps and not allowing these coaches to be compensated based on how many players they send to these camps, it appears the NCAA has spoken to what is allowed and not allowed. Duke WILL NOT hire AAU coaches to work at this camp so this falls within those bylaws. I wonder who they will hire though? Is bringing in all-time greats from your program who will tout the benefits of the program and how great the relationship is with the coaches, fans, community, and other players shady? What if the "coaches" or speakers at this camp were Laettner, G. Hill, Brand, J. Will, JJ, etc.? Would this give off an air of impropriety?

The $100 admission fee doesn't seem to me to be too low, as it is just an overnight camp. How much more should it cost?

If we get commits at the camp, or immediately after it, will they be tainted?

I don't think this is a shady practice, after all, other programs have been doing it for years, but it is the first I've heard of it as it is Duke's first year and I tend to live in a bubble in the college basketball world. There are a lot of questions that come up around this Elite Camp, but I'm sure the Duke staff has done due diligence to make sure they know all the rules involved. And I'm sure they'll follow them. Even if others don't...

Here's some reading:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/pickeral/story/1630798.html

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/112753-duke-tries-camp-recruiting

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegebasketball/story/10911734/2

http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/elite-camp.htm

http://collegebasketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/calendar.htm

i am glad coach k is flexing his muscles, he should use everything he got to recruit players.

Newton_14
08-17-2009, 10:22 PM
Ok thanks. If anyone finds out anything different please post it or message me. thanks

Ibleedblue87

It is closed to both public and media. The excerpt below is from the Dan Wierder article....

Keeping a low profile
"The vibe is that Duke's High-Performance camp, closed off to the public and the media, will feature mostly younger and lesser-known recruits."

airowe
08-18-2009, 01:35 PM
5'11 PG Tyler Lewis of Forsyth Country Day will be attending the Duke Elite Camp. He was 1 of 2 players in the 2012 class that was invited to the Chris Paul Elite Guard camp last weekend.
Offensively, he is an excellent PG with great vision, basketball IQ and skills. Defensively, he is small at 150 pounds and does get pushed around on defense at times. Remember, he just turned 16 and will be a rising sophomore and has time to get bigger and stronger. ESPNU has him rated as a 94 on their scale. Only time will tell.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=167&f=1386&t=4561566&p=17

rotogod00
08-19-2009, 08:49 AM
Didn't see this article posted on here from a couple of weeks ago on how the elite camp is Duke's way of "slowly wading into murky recruiting waters"


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Duke-slowly-wades-into-murky-recruiting-waters?urn=ncaab,180391

SupaDave
08-19-2009, 10:20 AM
Didn't see this article posted on here from a couple of weeks ago on how the elite camp is Duke's way of "slowly wading into murky recruiting waters"


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Duke-slowly-wades-into-murky-recruiting-waters?urn=ncaab,180391

Well I'll start paying attention to yahoo sports about the same time we get a guy named "Hamilton Barnes" to commit...

rotogod00
08-19-2009, 10:39 AM
Well I'll start paying attention to yahoo sports about the same time we get a guy named "Hamilton Barnes" to commit...

didn't catch that...very funny!

airowe
08-19-2009, 10:55 AM
Didn't see this article posted on here from a couple of weeks ago on how the elite camp is Duke's way of "slowly wading into murky recruiting waters"


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Duke-slowly-wades-into-murky-recruiting-waters?urn=ncaab,180391

So, if K doesn't recruit one-and-dones and isn't hosting Elite Camps like a number of other high major coaches he isn't adapting to the changing world of recruiting but if he does he's "wading into murky recruiting waters" and "he's also fading into his surroundings". Please.

In other news, '11 recruit Quinn Cook was invited to the camp but is expected to miss according to his HS coach.

airowe
08-19-2009, 06:46 PM
http://www.highschoolhoop.com/recruiting-news/2009/08/kyrie-irving-myck-kabongo-headline-high-school-showcase-game-at-toc/#more-1552

airowe
08-22-2009, 05:06 PM
At least we know these guys are there:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2cxggfd.jpg

http://twitgoo.com/2mrsl

Azdukefan
08-22-2009, 05:17 PM
Who are those guys again (JK). How about having all four them on the court at the same time? Heck, you can put me at center (I am 6'2" 150lbs) (playing four around 1/2) and we would have a fair shot at winning 30+ games.

airowe
08-25-2009, 12:33 PM
Get used to some of these names:

2010 class
Justin Coleman
Tyler Thornton

2011 class
Quincy Miller
Michael Gbinige
CJ Barksdale
Deuce Bello
Marshall Plumlee
Trevor Cooney
Dez Wells
Anthony Gill

2012 class
JP Tokoto
Evan Nolte
Tyler Lewis
TJ Warren

2013
Rodney Purvis
Tyrek Coger

This is from a post on TDD's free board here (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=167&f=1386&t=4561566&p=21)

ice-9
08-25-2009, 01:41 PM
JP Tokoto?? Is that a Japanese name?

roywhite
08-25-2009, 02:49 PM
JP Tokoto?? Is that a Japanese name?

Don't know, but according to this site from his home state of Wisconsin, Tokoto was impressive at the Duke Elite Camp, and received a scholarship offer from Duke.

http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1058128

Seems awfully early to extend an offer to a player in the class of 2012, but he sounds like a good prospect who played very well at camp and is thought to be a good fit for Duke.

airowe
08-25-2009, 02:56 PM
Don't know, but according to this site from his home state of Wisconsin, Tokoto was impressive at the Duke Elite Camp, and received a scholarship offer from Duke.

http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1058128

Seems awfully early to extend an offer to a player in the class of 2012, but he sounds like a good prospect who played very well at camp and is thought to be a good fit for Duke.

Yeah, not sure how I feel about offering a rising sophomore, but we're the 8th team to do so. The kid was named after his grandpa. His paternal father is actually Brian Oliver from Georgia Tech fame but hasn't been involved with his life much. This kid is supposed to be a stud.

Indoor66
08-25-2009, 04:19 PM
Yeah, not sure how I feel about offering a rising sophomore, but we're the 8th team to do so. The kid was named after his grandpa. His paternal father is actually Brian Oliver from Georgia Tech fame but hasn't been involved with his life much. This kid is supposed to be a stud.

Oliver was the third part of Lethal Weapon Three (http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021709aag.html). (Most fathers are paternal....:D)

airowe
08-26-2009, 02:31 PM
Oliver was the third part of Lethal Weapon Three (http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021709aag.html). (Most fathers are paternal....:D)

I know Indoor. But, his father referenced in all the offer announcements is Trevor Trimble, but that's his Stepfather. Jeez...

SupaDave
08-26-2009, 05:05 PM
FYI - next time use the word "biological"...

airowe
08-26-2009, 08:03 PM
FYI - next time use the word "biological"...

Boy do I feel stupid. Can I get a mulligan on every post where I used paternal?

All work and no play makes airowe a dull boy.

ACCBBallFan
08-27-2009, 02:41 AM
Don't know, but according to this site from his home state of Wisconsin, Tokoto was impressive at the Duke Elite Camp, and received a scholarship offer from Duke.

http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1058128

Seems awfully early to extend an offer to a player in the class of 2012, but he sounds like a good prospect who played very well at camp and is thought to be a good fit for Duke.On the free video on Watzone's site on same page as Plumlee offer, Tokoto says he has already been to 2 day elite camp at Kansas and also Wisconsin. So very busy summer.

Bluedevil114
08-27-2009, 08:29 PM
I was speaking to one of the top people at D-One Sports tonight and says Quincy Miller really enjoyed his time at the Duke Elite Camp and likes Duke alot but it is way too early for him to make a decision until he examines all of his options. Good thing is Duke is high on his list.

airowe
08-27-2009, 08:40 PM
I was speaking to one of the top people at D-One Sports tonight and says Quincy Miller really enjoyed his time at the Duke Elite Camp and likes Duke alot but it is way too early for him to make a decision until he examines all of his options. Good thing is Duke is high on his list.

Thanks for the info. I've heard the staff liked Quincy a lot too. The camp has already been fruitful, with offers to Tokoto and MP3 immediately following. The coaching staff and recruiting guys certainly got a lot of face-to-face time and up front info, if nothing else from the weekend. Now, if any of the offers get accepted, then we will know the Camp was succesful beyond anyone's (at least my) expectations.

I love the new attack mode in recruiting by K and crew. Let's hope it pays off.

ACCBBallFan
08-28-2009, 07:53 PM
After having already attended camps at KU, Wisc and Duke, Tokoto is at IU's this weekend and Marquette's the weekend after that. Literally a busy camper.

airowe
08-28-2009, 08:32 PM
After having already attended camps at KU, Wisc and Duke, Tokoto is at IU's this weekend and Marquette's the weekend after that. Literally a busy camper.

So he's basically scouting other teams' coaches and recruiting programs for Coach K? I love this kid ;)