throatybeard
07-25-2009, 08:26 PM
These records are from Phil Steele's magazine, and exclude 1999-season bowls played in January 2000. I'm using current conference alignments.
ACC
Virginia Tech 89-29
Miami 83-29
Boston College 80-35
Florida State 78-38
Clemson 70-42
Georgia Tech 70-45
Virginia 62-50
NC State 60-51
Wake 56-53
North Carolina 45-63
Duke 14-90
Comments:
1) This really does throw the insane magnitude of our struggles into relief.
2) Jim Grobe is doing a hell of a job given Wake Forest's limitations.
3) Despite the meteor, Phillip Rivers, State really hasn't been much better this decade than historically. It was just this decade that they got their all-time win percentage over .500.
4) For a big state school with a massive fundraising operation, Carolina really has been a waste of space in football.
and most importantly
5) As I keep reiterating, people who are still kvetching about expansion on the the football side--that it failed because it didn't make us into the Big 12 or SEC--are way way off. The comparison point is where we would have been w/o those three schools, not where we are relative to the SEC. ACC-9's records might have been a little higher without expansion because people wouldn't have been receiving beat-downs from VT, instead opting for another game against East Barbecue Tech. But the clear fact is that VT is the strongest program in the league right now. In 2003 people were complaining that they weren't really that good at football, merely a 2-year Vick phenomenon. That couldn't be more wrong: they've won three of the five ACCCGs and played in a fourth. The three newest schools all have the best records this decade, and FSU, the previous expansion target, is fourth.
SEC
Georgia 90-26
LSU 90-27
Florida 87-29
Auburn 80-34
Tennessee 76-38
Alabama 65-48
Arkansas 63-49
South Carolina 61-48
Ole Mess 54-54
Kentucky 43-64
Mississippi State 37-69
Vanderbilt 32-73
comments:
1) Houston Nutt is a pretty darn good coach. He won reasonably often at Arkansas, and now he's rehabilitating Orgeron's recruits at Ole Mess--a preseason top 10 ranking in his second year.
2) Tennessee and Alabama, two of the historical power programs in the league, have had some real ups and downs this decades if you look at their season records
3) Vanderbilt makes us look really bad. 18 more wins in the decade in a much harder conference.
and most interestingly:
4) The top, a virtual tie between Georgia, Florida, and LSU. Now, I knew Richt was doing a good job, and I know that there's no way Georgia fans wouldn't swap for the resume of either of the other two (two NCs in the decade, and Florida's record at the Cocktail Party). But Richt has done a pretty superb job himself.
Big XII
Oklahoma 102-19
Texas 97-18
Texas Tech 76-39
Nebraksa 74-40
Kansas State 65-48
Missouri 62-49
Oklahoma State 58-52
Texas A&M 57-52
Colorado 55-58
Kansas 52-46
Iowa State 48-62
Baylor 30-74
comments:
1) Add Baylor to the list of folks demonstrating how much of an outlier Duke has been.
2) Everyone acts like Nebraska has completely imploded, and they're not what they were, but the school that has really tanked is Colorado. A&M has been a mess since Slocum left, but I was surprised to see Colorado below them.
3) Texas and Oklahoma are incredible. Just incredible.
Midwesterners who can't Count
Ohio State 91-23
Michigan 76-36
Wisconsin 76-40
Iowa 69-43
Penn State 66-44
Purdue 62-50
Minnesota 56-55
Michigan State 54-55
Northwestern 53-56
Illinois 42-64
Indiana 35-70
comments
1) How bout we schedule IU sometime? A BCS team we might could beat. I bet that was the thinking with KU but then they went and got good.
2) I knew OSU was better than Michigan this decade, but 14 GB surprised me
3) Michigan State is the Carolina of the Big Ten. Big School, tremendous giving, lots of success in basketball, huge underachiever in FB.
4) That's right, Northwestern is almost .500. Of all the comparables making us look bad, NU might be the best.
The Big East Records are a bit deceptive. VT/BC/Miami moved from a decent conference to a decent conference. But the BE expanders can be argued to have moved up, leaving the weaker teams in CUSA, so their records earlier in the decade may look a bit high, maybe, I don't know, compared to if expansion fever had gripped 2000 instead of 2003.
Big East
Louisville 79-33
West Virginia 77-35
South Florida 67-39
Cincinnati 66-47
Pittsburgh 64-46
Connecticut 54-53
Rutgers 49-59
Syracuse 42-65
Temple 25-79
comments:
1) Cincinnati surprised me, but they've been really good the last 2 years.
2) Schiano has really lifted RU out of the crapper.
3) USF is pretty amazing too. USF didn't even play football until 1996.
Pacific 10
Southern California 93-22
Oregon State 72-40
Oregon 67-33
California 63-48
Arizona State 61-50
UCLA 60-51
Washington State 56-52
Arizona 41-64
Washington 44-64
Stanford 39-64
comments:
1) Yeah, that's right, Southern Cal actually had two bad seasons to start the decade.
2) Wait, what? Oregon State not only has the second most wins of the "nine dwarves," but somehow they've played a full season's worth more games (twelve) than Oregon has? I'm wondering if this is a typo in the magazine.
3) Stanford is really making us...never mind.
4) Sad what's happened to Washington recently.
Duke-comparables, neighbors, and non-BCS schools of note
Boise State 98-17
Texas Christian 83-28
Utah 76-33
Hawaii 74-44
Brigham Young 70-42
Notre Dame 64-49
US Air Force Academy 60-49
US Naval Academy 54-55
East Carolina 50-60
Rice 44-62
Tulane 39-67
Temple 20-79
US Military Academy 20-65
comments:
1) I don't care what conference they play in, Boise State is really good, and they've done it with two different coaches. Four 1-loss seasons and an undefeated one.
2) See above, but with "TCU" and "pretty good."
3) Even Rice makes...never mind.
4) Paul Johnson is really something. Navy's number is really skewed by three horrific seasons at the beginning of the decade. 30 of the 55 losses were in those three seasons, the last of which was Johnson's first. Hopefully Niumatalolo can keep it up.
ACC
Virginia Tech 89-29
Miami 83-29
Boston College 80-35
Florida State 78-38
Clemson 70-42
Georgia Tech 70-45
Virginia 62-50
NC State 60-51
Wake 56-53
North Carolina 45-63
Duke 14-90
Comments:
1) This really does throw the insane magnitude of our struggles into relief.
2) Jim Grobe is doing a hell of a job given Wake Forest's limitations.
3) Despite the meteor, Phillip Rivers, State really hasn't been much better this decade than historically. It was just this decade that they got their all-time win percentage over .500.
4) For a big state school with a massive fundraising operation, Carolina really has been a waste of space in football.
and most importantly
5) As I keep reiterating, people who are still kvetching about expansion on the the football side--that it failed because it didn't make us into the Big 12 or SEC--are way way off. The comparison point is where we would have been w/o those three schools, not where we are relative to the SEC. ACC-9's records might have been a little higher without expansion because people wouldn't have been receiving beat-downs from VT, instead opting for another game against East Barbecue Tech. But the clear fact is that VT is the strongest program in the league right now. In 2003 people were complaining that they weren't really that good at football, merely a 2-year Vick phenomenon. That couldn't be more wrong: they've won three of the five ACCCGs and played in a fourth. The three newest schools all have the best records this decade, and FSU, the previous expansion target, is fourth.
SEC
Georgia 90-26
LSU 90-27
Florida 87-29
Auburn 80-34
Tennessee 76-38
Alabama 65-48
Arkansas 63-49
South Carolina 61-48
Ole Mess 54-54
Kentucky 43-64
Mississippi State 37-69
Vanderbilt 32-73
comments:
1) Houston Nutt is a pretty darn good coach. He won reasonably often at Arkansas, and now he's rehabilitating Orgeron's recruits at Ole Mess--a preseason top 10 ranking in his second year.
2) Tennessee and Alabama, two of the historical power programs in the league, have had some real ups and downs this decades if you look at their season records
3) Vanderbilt makes us look really bad. 18 more wins in the decade in a much harder conference.
and most interestingly:
4) The top, a virtual tie between Georgia, Florida, and LSU. Now, I knew Richt was doing a good job, and I know that there's no way Georgia fans wouldn't swap for the resume of either of the other two (two NCs in the decade, and Florida's record at the Cocktail Party). But Richt has done a pretty superb job himself.
Big XII
Oklahoma 102-19
Texas 97-18
Texas Tech 76-39
Nebraksa 74-40
Kansas State 65-48
Missouri 62-49
Oklahoma State 58-52
Texas A&M 57-52
Colorado 55-58
Kansas 52-46
Iowa State 48-62
Baylor 30-74
comments:
1) Add Baylor to the list of folks demonstrating how much of an outlier Duke has been.
2) Everyone acts like Nebraska has completely imploded, and they're not what they were, but the school that has really tanked is Colorado. A&M has been a mess since Slocum left, but I was surprised to see Colorado below them.
3) Texas and Oklahoma are incredible. Just incredible.
Midwesterners who can't Count
Ohio State 91-23
Michigan 76-36
Wisconsin 76-40
Iowa 69-43
Penn State 66-44
Purdue 62-50
Minnesota 56-55
Michigan State 54-55
Northwestern 53-56
Illinois 42-64
Indiana 35-70
comments
1) How bout we schedule IU sometime? A BCS team we might could beat. I bet that was the thinking with KU but then they went and got good.
2) I knew OSU was better than Michigan this decade, but 14 GB surprised me
3) Michigan State is the Carolina of the Big Ten. Big School, tremendous giving, lots of success in basketball, huge underachiever in FB.
4) That's right, Northwestern is almost .500. Of all the comparables making us look bad, NU might be the best.
The Big East Records are a bit deceptive. VT/BC/Miami moved from a decent conference to a decent conference. But the BE expanders can be argued to have moved up, leaving the weaker teams in CUSA, so their records earlier in the decade may look a bit high, maybe, I don't know, compared to if expansion fever had gripped 2000 instead of 2003.
Big East
Louisville 79-33
West Virginia 77-35
South Florida 67-39
Cincinnati 66-47
Pittsburgh 64-46
Connecticut 54-53
Rutgers 49-59
Syracuse 42-65
Temple 25-79
comments:
1) Cincinnati surprised me, but they've been really good the last 2 years.
2) Schiano has really lifted RU out of the crapper.
3) USF is pretty amazing too. USF didn't even play football until 1996.
Pacific 10
Southern California 93-22
Oregon State 72-40
Oregon 67-33
California 63-48
Arizona State 61-50
UCLA 60-51
Washington State 56-52
Arizona 41-64
Washington 44-64
Stanford 39-64
comments:
1) Yeah, that's right, Southern Cal actually had two bad seasons to start the decade.
2) Wait, what? Oregon State not only has the second most wins of the "nine dwarves," but somehow they've played a full season's worth more games (twelve) than Oregon has? I'm wondering if this is a typo in the magazine.
3) Stanford is really making us...never mind.
4) Sad what's happened to Washington recently.
Duke-comparables, neighbors, and non-BCS schools of note
Boise State 98-17
Texas Christian 83-28
Utah 76-33
Hawaii 74-44
Brigham Young 70-42
Notre Dame 64-49
US Air Force Academy 60-49
US Naval Academy 54-55
East Carolina 50-60
Rice 44-62
Tulane 39-67
Temple 20-79
US Military Academy 20-65
comments:
1) I don't care what conference they play in, Boise State is really good, and they've done it with two different coaches. Four 1-loss seasons and an undefeated one.
2) See above, but with "TCU" and "pretty good."
3) Even Rice makes...never mind.
4) Paul Johnson is really something. Navy's number is really skewed by three horrific seasons at the beginning of the decade. 30 of the 55 losses were in those three seasons, the last of which was Johnson's first. Hopefully Niumatalolo can keep it up.