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ddsdevil
03-24-2009, 03:41 PM
I was online shopping for a Duke sweatshirt and it hit me how many shades of blue Duke stuff has. Why do we have navy blue Duke stuff (like sweat shirts) for sale? Just curious.

BlueDevilBaby
03-24-2009, 04:18 PM
There's another thread around here somewhere. Change from darker blue was formally approved years ago. There is even a specific name for the current blue.

sagegrouse
03-24-2009, 04:23 PM
See this article from the Duke Archives that answers all questions (while raising a few others).:)

Linkety-linky-link. (http://library.duke.edu/uarchives/faqs/duke_blue.html)

sagegrouse

ddsdevil
03-24-2009, 04:38 PM
Very helpful. Thanks.

Ignatius07
03-24-2009, 08:18 PM
I was online shopping for a Duke sweatshirt and it hit me how many shades of blue Duke stuff has. Why do we have navy blue Duke stuff (like sweat shirts) for sale? Just curious.

Besides that, I feel like navy blue (and, increasingly, pink for whatever reason) is a pretty common, "neutral" color for college apparel, especially for teams with any shade of blue (outside of perhaps UNC - on that I am not sure).

Johnboy
03-24-2009, 09:17 PM
See this article from the Duke Archives that answers all questions (while raising a few others).:)

Linkety-linky-link. (http://library.duke.edu/uarchives/faqs/duke_blue.html)

sagegrouse

So the mascot is French and the color is German. Hmm.

devildeac
03-25-2009, 02:24 AM
So the mascot is French and the color is German. Hmm.

I think the French "surrendered" the choice of color to the Germans.:rolleyes:

killerleft
03-25-2009, 09:32 AM
I think the French "surrendered" the choice of color to the Germans.:rolleyes:

They'll always have Paris... won't they?:eek:

Hancock 4 Duke
03-25-2009, 03:45 PM
If you would like to know the Duke Blue it had in the article (283-289) on the chart, here is the chart (http://www.qualitylogoproducts.com/pantone-matching-system.htm). Somehow I am glad it isn't 283...

SharkD
03-25-2009, 04:16 PM
If you would like to know the Duke Blue it had in the article (283-289) on the chart, here is the chart (http://www.qualitylogoproducts.com/pantone-matching-system.htm). Somehow I am glad it isn't 283...

Technically, PMS 287 is the proper color, but given the variability of inks and fabric, the university allows for the 283-289 range.

(Navy blue is PMS 295, if you're curious.)

Rich
03-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Besides that, I feel like navy blue (and, increasingly, pink for whatever reason) is a pretty common, "neutral" color for college apparel, especially for teams with any shade of blue (outside of perhaps UNC - on that I am not sure).

Here is the thread that I started on the same subject -- http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14370

While that may be the case about navy blue, navy was the predominant Duke color when I was a student in the 1980's. If you watch the HBO special on the rivalry, the uniforms were clearly closer to navy than today's blue color in the 1990's as well.

Indoor66
10-26-2009, 05:15 PM
We have had several threads on this. Check here (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14370).

This is the color (per Duke Archives):

According to the archives: "In a computer color palette Duke Blue is hex 00,00,9C; RGB 0,0,156; Hue=160 Saturation =240 Brightness=73."

It looks like this:http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=656&thumb=1&d=1246284355 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=656&d=1234390142)

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-26-2009, 06:23 PM
We have had several threads on this. Check here (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14370).

This is the color (per Duke Archives):

According to the archives: "In a computer color palette Duke Blue is hex 00,00,9C; RGB 0,0,156; Hue=160 Saturation =240 Brightness=73."

It looks like this:http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=656&thumb=1&d=1246284355 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=656&d=1234390142)

Now that's the color of heaven

CEF1959
10-26-2009, 06:36 PM
My 1978 ACC Champions t-shirt was Navy Blue, not Prussian Blue. But it was just a t-shirt, not an official identity statement of accepted dogma. I don't think it's ever been mandatory that only one shade could be used for clothing, even if there is a general understanding of what Duke Blue looks like now. On that score, Indoor66 nailed it.

-jk
10-26-2009, 06:38 PM
Now that's the color of heaven

Lore has it Dr. Hart, when he set up the committee, favored "bright navy". It was supposed to be between true navy and royal blue.

-jk

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-26-2009, 06:38 PM
My 1978 ACC Champions t-shirt was Navy Blue, not Prussian Blue. But it was just a t-shirt, not an official identity statement of accepted dogma. I don't think it's ever been mandatory that only one shade could be used for clothing, even if there is a general understanding of what Duke Blue looks like now.

The Duke store in the Bryan Center and online sells items in both royal blue and navy blue.

CameronBornAndBred
10-26-2009, 06:41 PM
I'll touch on this again, since we were talking so much about it after the unc-FSU game. The blue of my youth was darker, it was the blue that is on the floor of Cameron. (As far as I know, that blue has never changed).

Turk
10-26-2009, 06:43 PM
Around here it helps to go with the royal blue whenever possible. With the navy blue, some folks might think you're a Nittany Lion until they get up close. (there are worse things to be, but still....)

rasputin
10-26-2009, 07:04 PM
I think the French "surrendered" the choice of color to the Germans.:rolleyes:

Bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

Jim3k
10-26-2009, 07:09 PM
Around here it helps to go with the royal blue whenever possible. With the navy blue, some folks might think you're a Nittany Lion until they get up close. (there are worse things to be, but still....)

Wiki even lists Duke Blue in its royal blue page page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Blue) But the colors on that page are poorly rendered. Even so, you'll notice that Wiki notes a light royal blue and a dark royal blue (on upper right margin of the page).

Sage is correct in linking the Duke page whereby Prussian blue was selected. But that came after the Royal Blue of the 1960s. I do think much of the problem lies with the fabric being used. Furthermore, as I understand it, the pigments used in the traditional Royal Blue tend to lose the desired hue -- via sunlight and washing. I think Prussian Blue has the same problem.

Newton_14
10-26-2009, 08:00 PM
We have had several threads on this. Check here (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14370).

This is the color (per Duke Archives):

According to the archives: "In a computer color palette Duke Blue is hex 00,00,9C; RGB 0,0,156; Hue=160 Saturation =240 Brightness=73."

It looks like this:http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=656&thumb=1&d=1246284355 (http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=656&d=1234390142)

Wouldn't it make Ozzie proud if that code had read: hex 00,00,9F; RGB 0,0,156; Hue=160 Saturation =240 Brightness=73 instead???

hurleyfor3
10-26-2009, 08:31 PM
Wouldn't it make Ozzie proud if that code had read: hex 00,00,9F; RGB 0,0,156; Hue=160 Saturation =240 Brightness=73 instead???

This is color 00009f. It's pretty much the same.

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-26-2009, 08:32 PM
Wiki even lists Duke Blue in its royal blue page page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Blue) But the colors on that page are poorly rendered. Even so, you'll notice that Wiki notes a light royal blue and a dark royal blue (on upper right margin of the page).

Sage is correct in linking the Duke page whereby Prussian blue was selected. But that came after the Royal Blue of the 1960s. I do think much of the problem lies with the fabric being used. Furthermore, as I understand it, the pigments used in the traditional Royal Blue tend to lose the desired hue -- via sunlight and washing. I think Prussian Blue has the same problem.

I was in school at Duke during the sixties. The shade of blue was closer to a dark navy than a royal blue. The royal emerged later.

Tappan Zee Devil
10-26-2009, 09:44 PM
I was in school at Duke during the sixties. The shade of blue was closer to a dark navy than a royal blue. The royal emerged later.

I agree. This definitely not the blue when I was a student (1966-1970). I still have a sweat shirt from those days that (even after 40 years of fading) is navy blue

I can't say which is "better" - but the Navy blue is what I consider as Duke blue - not royal blue.

Jarhead
10-26-2009, 11:37 PM
I was in school at Duke during the sixties. The shade of blue was closer to a dark navy than a royal blue. The royal emerged later.

Here is what I posted in another thread, the one about the UNC dark blue uniforms:

This is a topic that has been discussed before, but I can't recall just when. I'm talking about both our current use of royal blue, and UNC's use of a very dark blue (not quite navy blue) in their very satisfying loss to FSU last week. Yes, Carolina used a darker shade of blue back during the Charlie Justice era. Duke, on the other hand, used a darker shade of blue for many years. My recollection is that that changed when Duke purchased new uniforms that were knock offs of the unis then in use by the Dallas Cowboys, including the gray pants. That was the start of the drift to the lighter shade of blue, as I recall. The color migration was influenced by many things, but my thoughts are that the marketing geniuses at Nike have brought our team uniforms, all of the teams, to this point. This is in spite of a letter from on high that someone had posted or linked here. The letter spoke of the official shade of blue, a registered color with a specific name that I cannot recall. Something like Prussian blue (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue), but I trust that someone will bring it up from the archives, and post it here. Then we can have some fun discussing it. Personally, I like Prussian blue a lot better than royal blue.

DBD, I notice that in your royal blue wiki link the darker of the two examples is pretty close to the example on the wiki page for Prussian blue (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue). As I said above, I prefer the Prussian blue, and I wish I could find the old thread in which it was identified as the official blue shade. We aren't going to settle this here. Only the University can settle it with an official statement. In the meantime, it would appear that Nike will decide. I noticed on Saturday when the lacrosse team came on the field at half time, they were wearing black warm ups. Heaven help us.

Jim3k
10-27-2009, 12:17 AM
I was in school at Duke during the sixties. The shade of blue was closer to a dark navy than a royal blue. The royal emerged later.

Hi DitBD. No offense, but IMO from 1960-64 when I was there, the football jerseys were royal and not a dark blue. They had a bit of a shine to them, too. That's part of the Royal hue, so they may have seemed lighter than they were. Unfortunately, I don't remember the team wearing them at home during my four years since the players preferred white at home (easier to see teammates). (In fact, the whites were considered road uniforms and the team only wore the blues once in 1964, at GaTech. -- Yeah I looked up the 1964 Chanticleer; the earlier ones are too buried in storage.) It's hard to tell from the black and white GaTech photos, though the frosh team pic shows a gray which might prove my point. Unfortunately, lighting variances could easily be misleading.

The away basketball singlets were darker. My Dad, a Yalie, saw them for the first time at the Dixie Classic in 1960 and remarked how they seemed to be wearing Yale Blue, which is a hair lighter than Navy. Plus the Duke patch for the swimmers' black Speedos (which none of us ever sewed on) was kind of in between.

The freshman women's bows were clearly Royal. I'd have to say, though, that my freshman dink was Navy as were some Dope Shop jackets. The color shades those days were all over the place, but using the FB jerseys as a guide (plus lectures from the orientation committee) I must insist that the official color was then Royal. I even recall a silk necktie with a nice Royal Blue Devil pattern. The brightness of the jerseys was certainly there on the silk. (And no one could confuse that color with the powder blue from the college down the way). :) It wasn't until the University chose Prussian that it became something else, though Prussian is within range.

But I know you and I will agree that any dark blue shade is far better than the tepid watercolor that can be seen from Franklin Street. :p

We must talk sometime.

GTHC! :D

Jim3k
10-27-2009, 12:21 AM
Here is what I posted in another thread, the one about the UNC dark blue uniforms:


DBD, I notice that in your royal blue wiki link the darker of the two examples is pretty close to the example on the wiki page for Prussian blue (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_blue). As I said above, I prefer the Prussian blue, and I wish I could find the old thread in which it was identified as the official blue shade. We aren't going to settle this here. Only the University can settle it with an official statement. In the meantime, it would appear that Nike will decide. I noticed on Saturday when the lacrosse team came on the field at half time, they were wearing black warm ups. Heaven help us.

Jar, Sage linked to the archive article in post #3.

Devil in the Blue Dress
10-27-2009, 09:46 AM
Hi DitBD. No offense, but IMO from 1960-64 when I was there, the football jerseys were royal and not a dark blue. They had a bit of a shine to them, too. That's part of the Royal hue, so they may have seemed lighter than they were. Unfortunately, I don't remember the team wearing them at home during my four years since the players preferred white at home (easier to see teammates). (In fact, the whites were considered road uniforms and the team only wore the blues once in 1964, at GaTech. -- Yeah I looked up the 1964 Chanticleer; the earlier ones are too buried in storage.) It's hard to tell from the black and white GaTech photos, though the frosh team pic shows a gray which might prove my point. Unfortunately, lighting variances could easily be misleading.

The away basketball singlets were darker. My Dad, a Yalie, saw them for the first time at the Dixie Classic in 1960 and remarked how they seemed to be wearing Yale Blue, which is a hair lighter than Navy. Plus the Duke patch for the swimmers' black Speedos (which none of us ever sewed on) was kind of in between.

The freshman women's bows were clearly Royal. I'd have to say, though, that my freshman dink was Navy as were some Dope Shop jackets. The color shades those days were all over the place, but using the FB jerseys as a guide (plus lectures from the orientation committee) I must insist that the official color was then Royal. I even recall a silk necktie with a nice Royal Blue Devil pattern. The brightness of the jerseys was certainly there on the silk. (And no one could confuse that color with the powder blue from the college down the way). :) It wasn't until the University chose Prussian that it became something else, though Prussian is within range.

But I know you and I will agree that any dark blue shade is far better than the tepid watercolor that can be seen from Franklin Street. :p

We must talk sometime.

GTHC! :D

It's true that there was a little variation in shades of dark blue then. The cheerleaders were clearly wearing the near navy shade. I worked on the Chanticleer staff back then. I remember that near the end of the decade, there were more shades of dark blue emerging. I think the progression in shades of dark blue reflected the growing prominence of Duke in a variety of arenas accompanied by the growing market for Duke paraphernalia.

The most important point in our conversation is that we agree on our love of Duke!