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gotham devil
03-23-2009, 04:40 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-22-pompei-scout-mar22,0,7151782.story

http://www.faniq.com/blog/2009-NFL-Wonderlic-Scores-Matt-Stafford-Impresses-Blog-20999

Hakeem Nicks, a UNC-Chapel Hill student-athlete, registered the lowest reported Wonderlic score of this year's class. He scored an eleven. Reportedly, a score of ten would indicate the person is a borderline illiterate.

FireOgilvie
03-23-2009, 05:06 AM
To be fair to Hakeem Nicks, it's a really tough test.

Oh wait, it's not.

Sample questions: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

calltheobvious
03-23-2009, 08:51 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-22-pompei-scout-mar22,0,7151782.story

http://www.faniq.com/blog/2009-NFL-Wonderlic-Scores-Matt-Stafford-Impresses-Blog-20999

Hakeem Nicks, a UNC-Chapel Hill student-athlete, registered the lowest reported Wonderlic score of this year's class. He scored an eleven. Reportedly, a score of ten would indicate the person is a borderline illiterate.

Yeah, uh, can we not do this? Please? It's beyond unseemly.

To say nothing of the fact that Wonderlic scores are highly, highly predictive of lots of important production metrics, except not in the slightest.

whereinthehellami
03-23-2009, 09:37 AM
Interesting. I saw the scores mentioned on sportscenter, Matthew Stafford had the highest score, a 33 (?).

Duvall
03-23-2009, 10:32 AM
This thread ain't going anywhere good.

BD80
03-23-2009, 11:57 AM
Interesting. I saw the scores mentioned on sportscenter, Matthew Stafford had the highest score, a 33 (?).

Which expains why the Lions have focused on an offensive lineman as the first pick in the draft. They couldn't have one player with a Wonderlic score higher than the combined score of the entire front office.

whereinthehellami
03-23-2009, 01:34 PM
Which expains why the Lions have focused on an offensive lineman as the first pick in the draft. They couldn't have one player with a Wonderlic score higher than the combined score of the entire front office.

Funny.

Here is the Chicago Tribune article on the wonderic scores (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-22-pompei-scout-mar22,0,7151782.story).

DukieBoy
03-23-2009, 01:46 PM
It doesn't make sense to me how a test like this, which is asking very basic questions, could determine whether a team could run a defense or not. It doesn't seem like passing these test automatically means you can run an NFL defense. I could pass this test, but don't put me at middle linebacker.

InSpades
03-23-2009, 02:09 PM
It has nothing to do with football. It is just an intelligence test. All things being equal, wouldn't you rather have the smarter player?

That being said... real world smarts and football smarts are very different things. Reportedly when Lawrence Taylor was on the Giants they gave them defense quizzes. LT would likely never be confused w/ a Rhodes scholar but he was supposedly always the 1st one done and always did very well. He just knew football.

I think they should give them a different kind of test...
Question #1.
You and some of your teammates are going to a club, you think it might be a dangerous scene so you decide...
pick the best option:
A. Carry a gun (you never know what might go down, leave the safety off just in case)
B. Carry a gun (keep the safety on so you don't shoot yourself in the leg)
C. Hire someone else to carry a gun for you (just in case)
D. Choose to go somewhere else

snowdenscold
03-23-2009, 02:26 PM
To be fair to Hakeem Nicks, it's a really tough test.

Oh wait, it's not.

Sample questions: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

Ehhh, I missed #4 - though I guess if I had really looked at it for more than 5 seconds I wouldn't have.

Also, #11 isn't exactly super-easy (especially if no calculator to double-check yourself):

11. In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?
In comparison to the other questions, that's a bit trickier.

InSpades
03-23-2009, 02:38 PM
I thought #12 was the hardest question.

I could definitely see players not taking it seriously and just guessing and walking out. Which is probably what a lot of them do. For 2 reasons actually... A. they could have the whole "I'm not in math class, what does this have to do with how well I can catch a football" attitude or B. not taking it seriously means they can't seriously fail it.

CameronBlue
03-23-2009, 02:51 PM
Ehhh, I missed #4 - though I guess if I had really looked at it for more than 5 seconds I wouldn't have.

Also, #11 isn't exactly super-easy (especially if no calculator to double-check yourself):

In comparison to the other questions, that's a bit trickier.

It is but the question (as I'm sure you know) lends itself easily to two equations in two unknowns and the algebra reduces to simple arithmetic pretty easily.

(Ms. CameronBlue. late to her hair appointment, starts off driving at the speed of frickin sound toward 4 lanes of merging interstate traffic. Mr. CameronBlue, as is his habit, is hiding in the backseat with a renal output of about a pint per every 500 feet driven. If a saturated adult male diaper can hold 16 ounces of liquid...)

dukelifer
03-23-2009, 03:00 PM
It has nothing to do with football. It is just an intelligence test. All things being equal, wouldn't you rather have the smarter player?

That being said... real world smarts and football smarts are very different things. Reportedly when Lawrence Taylor was on the Giants they gave them defense quizzes. LT would likely never be confused w/ a Rhodes scholar but he was supposedly always the 1st one done and always did very well. He just knew football.

I think they should give them a different kind of test...
Question #1.
You and some of your teammates are going to a club, you think it might be a dangerous scene so you decide...
pick the best option:
A. Carry a gun (you never know what might go down, leave the safety off just in case)
B. Carry a gun (keep the safety on so you don't shoot yourself in the leg)
C. Hire someone else to carry a gun for you (just in case)
D. Choose to go somewhere else

You could imagine them watching film and asking them if they can identify the D being played or what mistake led to a big gain. They could give them a playbook and ask then questions about that. In the end- that is more important to these players and would tell you a lot about their preparation.

snowdenscold
03-23-2009, 03:05 PM
It is but the question (as I'm sure you know) lends itself easily to two equations in two unknowns and the algebra reduces to simple arithmetic pretty easily.


Ha, because setting up a 2 equation, 2 variable algebra problem is as trivial as multiplying 21 x 4.... lol.

Also, I think guess and check is much faster than the algebraic way, because (and I may be making this overly complicated) I would get:

18x + 24y = 480
x + y <= 21

Solving gives you x <= 4, and y >= 17 - but that is not "pretty simple" for one of these tests!

Bluedog
03-23-2009, 03:52 PM
Ha, because setting up a 2 equation, 2 variable algebra problem is as trivial as multiplying 21 x 4.... lol.

Also, I think guess and check is much faster than the algebraic way, because (and I may be making this overly complicated) I would get:

18x + 24y = 480
x + y <= 21

Solving gives you x <= 4, and y >= 17 - but that is not "pretty simple" for one of these tests!

While the questions are moderately easy, I could see the time limit being a big problem for a lot of guys since you only have 12 minutes to answer 50 questions. If you take 3 minutes to figure out that one question, you are dead so might as well guess the answer if you can't do the calcuation quickly. I bet a lot of guys don't get to the last 5-10 questions or so. Assuming those questions are representative of the test as a whole, you should finish the 15 ESPN questions in 3 min, 36 sec (15*12/50 = 3.6 ;) )

Apparently, a score of 20 indicates a 100 IQ (i.e. the average), but that seems way too high to me.



The average scores in other professions look like this:

Chemist: 31
Programmer: 29
Newswriter: 26
Sales: 24
Bank teller: 22
Clerical Worker: 21
Security Guard: 17
Warehouse: 15


http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html

Pat McInally, Harvard graduate, is the only player to get a confirmed perfect score of 50. http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/article.asp?intID=5291

weezie
03-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Which expains why the Lions have focused on an offensive lineman as the first pick in the draft. They couldn't have one player with a Wonderlic score higher than the combined score of the entire front office.


ha ha ha :(. Are you sure about that OL pick?